Nicole Kidman on Katie Holmes: ‘I never spoke to her, I wish all of them well’

I can’t believe there’s actually a magazine called “WHO”. If I was to ever do a magazine start-up, I would call it “…Her?” as an Arrested Development reference. “Cate Blanchett is on the cover of ‘…Her?’ this month, and her pictorial is ah-mazing!” Anyway, Nicole Kidman covers WHO (!?) this month, and the interview is pretty decent. Nicole talks about marriage to Tom Cruise and her first two children, Isabella and Conor. She also denies ever “counseling” Katie Holmes, ever. Because Xenu would have Nicole’s Aussie ass for that one.

Nicole Kidman says that – contrary to media reports – she never counseled Katie Holmes in her recent split from Tom Cruise.

“I never spoke to her. I wish all of them well, but I was not involved in any of that,” Kidman, who weathered her own emotional split from the star in 2001, tells PEOPLE’s Australian sister publication, WHO magazine, for its 20th Anniversary issue, which asked the Oscar winner to look back on her own past 20 years.

Still Kidman, 45, looking resplendent in a five-page pictorial spread – and back to her natural red tresses – says she’s grateful for her 10-year marriage to Cruise, 50, because he helped to shape her family, now four kids strong.

“I got married really fast and really young. But I don’t regret that because it got me [children] Bella and Connor and I did have a fantastic marriage for a long period,” says Kidman, now happily married to country music star and fellow Aussie Keith Urban since 2006.

While her first marriage wasn’t the forever-after she’d dreamed of, she looks back philosophically on that turbulent period of her life, saying the whole experience was “all a part of growing up.”

“There were times following [the divorce] when I thought, ‘Wow, this is the loneliest, loneliest existence,’ ” Kidman told the magazine. “But with Tom, it was a fantastic decade. I wish all of the people that have been involved in my life well, because it’s very important to me to be in a place of forgiveness and love.”

Her relationship with Urban keeps her home in Nashville, where the couple share the parenting of their two children: Faith, who will be 2 in December and was delivered by a surrogate, and Sunday Rose, now 4.

“I’m amazed that I have been a mother for so much of my life now. It’s odd, but because of them I don’t feel 45,” she said, also saying that she has great empathy for those woman having a tough time conceiving a child.

“I had tried and failed and failed,” she said. “Every woman who has been through all those ups and downs knows the depression that comes with it. So the way it just happened with Sunday was like, ‘What?’ The percentages were so low. It is the miracle in my life.”

She added: “All my kids are highlights of my life. They are all of my biggest joys.”

[From People]

I’ve judged Nicole in the past for her seemingly ambivalence towards her two oldest kids, but in the wake of the TomKat split, I do have a bit more sympathy for her. Isabella and Conor were brainwashed by Xenu, they were told that their mother was a sociopath and a suppressive person, and that they should cut her out of their lives. We can have a talk about whether Nicole should have put up more of a fight, or if she should have tried to expose what went down with Tom Cruise and Xenu and David Miscavige, but these days I am erring more on the side of “Isabella and Conor pushed Nicole away, and she didn’t fight it for various reasons.”

As for her statement, “I wish all of the people that have been involved in my life well, because it’s very important to me to be in a place of forgiveness and love.” The wording is fascinating. Because she’s basically saying that Tom Cruise did a bunch of stuff to her and she had to “forgive” him.

Photos courtesy of Who Mag, WENN.

 

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  1. Eve says:

    Is she styled as Grace Kelly on that cover? With all the photoshop, it kinda looks like her.

  2. mk yarwood says:

    He probably had a lot to do with her plastic face. He’s the guy who had someone file their teeth…

  3. Shitler says:

    The epitome of class & sophistication

  4. mln76 says:

    I think its telling that she hasn’t denied any of the rumors about the kids. I still feel like at a certain point she made the choice between keeping her kids through an ugly custody battle where Scieno released a ton of secrets or keeping a fairly positive rep with little contact. SAD.

    • Amy says:

      I think she looked at what she was facing and made the best choice from a range of bad ones. Dragging the children through an ugly public fight would have been a given, with a good chance of them having lost the relationship with both parents.

      • mln76 says:

        I think things like Urban’s known drug habit and Nicole’s rumored affairs during the Kidman/Cruise marriage would have been brought up in court and to the tabs. Nicole isnt Katie she’s no wallflower and she was with Tom much longer of course he has dirt on her. And Scientologists are known to bring the dirt to destroy their enemies.

      • The Wizz says:

        Also remember that Katie doesnt have a career so apart from Suri, she has nothing to lose. Nicole on the other hand, had a career, that she didnt want to lose.

    • Liv says:

      I don’t think so. I think she hasn’t had a chance to win custody or even see her kids regularly and I think Tom Cruise threatened her heavily with something. It wasn’t a choice. It’s well known that you are completely cut off of your whole family when you leave Scientology and that is what happened to her. The only alternative would have been to stay with him.

      • gg says:

        Yes. He threatened her with severe harassment, which the Cult excels at, showing up on her front door and hanging bunnies on the front porch, making her life a living hell, as they are wont to do. Always.

        She knew damn well to keep her mouth shut and not fight them, or they’d make up their usual bullshit and ruin her career on a bunch of falsehoods. Katie well knows to keep her mouth shut in public as well.

    • Violet says:

      I think it was more a matter that both kids were totally brainwashed to think of her as evil, so that was not a battle she could win. Plus Tom had — and still has — a lot more money and power, as well as the backing of the C0$. The only reason Katie Holmes escaped is because she managed to blindside Tom, but the situation was reversed with Nicole.

      My heart goes out to Nicole: I truly believe she loves her oldest two and that it breaks her heart that they’re estranged. All she can do is wait for them to grow up and break free of the CO$, which may or may not happen.

  5. Jackie O says:

    her consistent silence on this topic is not working in her favor.

    katie comes off as brave, willing to ‘fight for her child’, while nicole is looking painfully passive.

    may not be fair, but her image is taking a hit in all this.

    • serena says:

      She’s doing all this to herself, and her crazy botoxy face doesn’t help.

      • Lauren says:

        Katie is not in the same stratosphere as Nicole. Nicole is in a class by herself. “The Hours” was extraordinary as well as “The Human Stain” and “Cold Mountain”. I am still fascinated by her, although i wish she would stop messing with her face. Hollywood makes women so insecure, which is a shame.

    • mimi (a different one) says:

      You are judging the victim here.

      Katie is way older than young Nicole who fell for Tom when she was 20-21 years old.

      Katie knew to some degree to what she was got herself into, and even faked being a member of the COS. Nicole never agreed to that. I’m sure she had no idea how messed up these people are and what they might do.

      Nicole didn’t get to save her children, but how can you blame her?
      She is one of the victims.
      These things happen in all cults and breaking up families and people.

      My heart goes out to her.

      • CF98 says:

        Aren’t you judging Katie like you’re accusing others of judging Nicole.

        Both made the bad decision to be involved with Tom Cruise to begin with sure Katie had more public favor since Tom’s reputation has taken a hit since he dumped Nicole but if Nicole after all these years is still afraid of him what does that say how much influence Tom really has here.

        I guess to myself and others its this when it comes to your child nothing will ever keep you from them I mean what could possibly be so bad about her coming out that isn’t worth holding onto those kids.

        Personally I think Nicole gets off easy here if it were a man he’d be labeled a deadbeat for not caring.

        That being said I think Nicole had no legal ties to those kids and I think Tom really was the one who adopted them and Nicole was just there for the public image as their mother.

  6. serena says:

    Meh, I don’t get it. She already lost her two older children so why she’s all ‘Fantastic marriage with Tom’ now?

    She is no way classy. She is just protecting herself, I assume she doesn’t want some of her ‘secrets’ out in the magazines and that’s why she shuts it.

    To me it sound as she still is defending him, and I find it disgusting. I don’t mean that she should side with Katie, it’s her choice and if she doesn’t want to talk about it than it’s her business, but she should just stop playing neutral nice (it’s not really believable) and just say ‘no comment on that’.

    Her older children were brainwashed and won’t see her. And what does she do? Nothing, she still continues to be like that.
    It pisses me off.

    • Ranunculus says:

      I agree! I don’t get the whole TC thing, I always thought he was not right in his head, even before he joined Co$, so anybody who gets involved with him can’t be very bright to begin with. Her weak stand on the fate of her own children and her way of portraying her marriage to TC as something fantastic is very, very off-putting to me. And BTW she looks like a crazy freak in that picture.

      • Elizabeth says:

        I think that’s a bit harsh. Did you really expect Kidman to use this interview to drag her ex/ past marriage through the mud? Did you expect her to spill her guts and use “f**k this” and “f**k that” like she was Kristen Stewart? My feeling is that C0$ has major dirt on her from her 10 years of auditing. And Bella and Connor are never going to have a relationship with someone that CO$ told them was a “suppressive person”. It’s all over for her as their mother and she’s trying to walk away from it with a little dignity. And yeah, she’s done too much with her face.

      • Ranunculus says:

        One of the reasons Co$ gotten so powerful is that very few people speak up and say something in public. This is a criminal organization if you look at it from a neutral angle. Kidman and Holmes said nothing and let their children grow up in a dangerous environment and for years watched Tom, the father of their own children getting crazier and crazier. I also don’t believe that they were absolutely clueless about other sick stuff that was going on. I just have a problem with this!

      • Loira says:

        How is it that trashong the father of her children would improve any relationship she has with them? Of course she will say whatever it takes to keep at least speaking terms with them. If she badmouths Tom the children will surely attribute that to her being suppresive.

    • Bluedog says:

      None of US know what Nicole did about her kids so to say she did “nothing” is really unfair! You only know what’s been in the press; you have no idea what really went on.

    • Lauren says:

      Nicole is trying to keep the peace..i understand. You cannot disparage midget (Scientology) men..or they will plot to ruin you. Nicole does not want her current marriage to Keith & her children destroyed. Napoleon men hold a grudge forever–no matter how rich & famous they are. Nap. men feel inadequate, and try to control everyone around them.

    • Camille (TheOriginal) says:

      This! to what serena said. Especially this part of her comment:

      “She is no way classy. She is just protecting herself, I assume she doesn’t want some of her ‘secrets’ out in the magazines and that’s why she shuts it.”

      I won’t add anything else, but I believe this also.

  7. samira25 says:

    I think it’s a huge leap to claim that Tom did a lot to Nicole that she had to forgive him. If anything it’s about him blindsiding her with a divorce while pregant. I still don’t buy that Tom took the kids away from Nicole. She was photographed a lot with the kids after the divorce. It wasn’t until after marrying Keith Urban she rarely saw the kids. If Scientology was involved it would have happened immediately not years later.

  8. Fudge you, I'm going to Guam! says:

    Photoshop needs to be banned.

  9. Jayna says:

    Nicole has given several interviews about their marriage being great for most of it. People forget his involvement with Scientology was much milder back then and that for the later years of their marriage was completely out of Scientology. Being in the huge megastar’s shadow was hard for the young actress as far as her identity. And the ending wasn’t pretty. Interesting she mentions she had miscarriages during their marriage and the depression she suffered as a result.

    Nicole had half custody of the kids for years and was seen with them and she talked about them in interviews even joking the kids wanted her to start dating again. It wasn’t until they were older and around the time of Urban and Tennessee that the children lived with Tom permanently and not being seen with the kids as much as they got older or talking about them seemed to happen even before Urban for a period if time and she seemed to be working more. The kids may have been pulling away from Nicole a year or so before Urban due to Scientology and her move to Tennessee cemented that estrangement.

  10. lucy2 says:

    That first photo is absolutely gorgeous.

    I feel bad for her regarding the older kids. I think it was way worse than most people imagine, and it has to be so painful to have them turned against her.

  11. Micki says:

    I wish she writes her memoirs about her marriage with Cruise.

    And if Holmes went that far as to use throw away cell phones to organize her blitz hush-hush divorce I can’t judge Kidman when she doen’t want to touch that mess with 10f pole

    • CF98 says:

      Personally if I were Nicole I would’ve made sure they were never brought up if I didn’t want to talk about them. Her talking about her and Tom having a fantastic marriage for a decade just bugged me.

      If it was so fantastic you guys would still be together.

  12. yellowshaba says:

    Anyone else ever question her and keith? Seems like such an odd coupling, but maybe opposites attract?

  13. Eleonor says:

    I think her big mistake was trusting Tom: they were supposed to share a joint custody, but Tom let all the scientolorobot brainwash their children, and (I presume) when Nicole realized what was going on was too late. That’s why she is talking about forgiveness.
    In my opinion Tom -probably- told her she could be able to see the children, nothing was going to change, and bla and bla. But then Xenu came in, and we know what happened after.

  14. zeldafitzgerald says:

    I think all that botox and all those fillers have gone to her brain

  15. Carolyn says:

    Don’t forget..Nic would have got a lot of money from Tom at the time of the divorce. With a stipulation she never talk about particular aspects of Tom, her marriage, Bella & Connor and Co$.

    Maybe she can be laughed at because of the Botox. Give her a break on the divorce.

  16. Jayna says:

    Those photos look like the old Nicole. Good to see.

  17. lulu says:

    I agree photoshop should be banned. If only Nicole looked like first photo in real life. Sadly, she the last photo is what she really looks like now. She really needs to stop messing with her face. The cheek implants are so obvious and the plumped upper lip is awful

  18. Belle Epoch says:

    What miscarriages? She says she failed to get pregnant – most likely meaning with Tom. Everybody says he shoots blanks, but she surely would have been blamed, not him. New husband and boom! New baby. Nothing wrong with her ability to conceive. That’s why her miscarriage when they got divorced – if there was one – was so peculiar.

    • Malificent says:

      I’m thinking this take is a bit extreme few of infertility as a black-and-white issue. Infertility is caused by a lot of issues, and the vast majority of those issues don’t cause “total” infertility — they just make the odds much worse. “Shoots blanks” doesn’t tell us anything the real state of Tom’s fertility. There’s a big difference between not producing sperm at all and having a low sperm count, for instance. There are also many women who get pregnant easily but are prone to miscarry for any number of reasons. And many couples experience fertility issues because of problems with both partners.

      Despite being told that my fertility was so poor I wasn’t even a candidate for in vitro, I got pregnant the first month I tried — without using IVF. My best friend had a happy “accident” of getting pregnant despite having multiple surgeries that left her with only half an ovary and a mangled Fallopian tube. Statistically unlikely pregnancies happen all the time in a world with billions of people — sometimes people are just lucky enough to beat the odds.

      So, I don’t think that there is anything about Nicole’s statements that aren’t totally plausible. And I don’t think she lied about being pregnant with Sunday. She was totally open about adopting her first two kids. And open about using a surrogate for her fourth. Why lie about one child and be honest about the others?

      • Jaycee says:

        Many men have fertility problems. A man can also be diagnosed as “sterile” even though he has some functional sperm. Mimi Rogers said Tom Cruise was sterile, but that was over 10 years ago, before the medical procedure ICSI was developed that is used in conjunction with IVF, to help infertile men conceive chlidren.

    • Kim says:

      She had miscarriage with Keith, too.

    • Jayna says:

      I don’t know if it was this magazine. But I saw one yesterday where she talked about miscarriages (pleural) and an ectopic pregnancy and fertility treatments during her marriage to Tom that led to depression of inability to maintain a pregnancy and have a baby and why Sunday was a real miracle that she never expected.

    • LAK says:

      For goodness sake who is ‘everybody says Tom shoots blanks’?

      The ex-wife said he preferred to be celibate. No sex = no children, though doesn’t rule out IVF.

      Nicole’s interview in the magazine, not excerted fully in the above piece, says that she miscarried several times, had an ectopic pregnancy and failed to get pregnant despite IVF, hence the MIRACLE of Sunday.

      Now either she’s lying to exonerate Tom Cruise with that statement for some pay off we are yet to see or she is telling the truth.

      As for this ‘peculiar final miscarrige if it happened’….this was part of their divorce battle because she used DNA evidence from the miscarried feotus to prove that it was his because he was smearing her and denying it was.

      There is enough evidence in the public forum to point to a truer picture on this point than the usual blind speculations that we do.

  19. Justaposter says:

    When she is talking about ‘forgiveness’ I think she means not all lovely dovey forgiveness, but letting go for her peace of mind.

    Just because a person says ‘forgive’ it isn’t all aaaaaaaah and angels, it is more like letting go for your own peace of mind and not allowing it to take up space in your heart and soul.
    Sometimes a person does it for themselves.

  20. Mara says:

    Wow she looks stunning in the red dress !

  21. operagirl says:

    The scarlet goddess gown really suits her body shape so much more than the tightly tailored column dresses she has been favoring!

    Both pics from this article are just absolutely gorgeous. I wish she could have let herself age for the most part naturally, she was so incredibly beautiful. Oddly enough, her upper lip in that first shot looks almost like her original. Cupid’s bow and delicate, no third lip in sight.

  22. bns says:

    Just popped in to say how much I love her. She’s a great actress.

  23. KC says:

    Love her in the red dress.

    I’m sorry — I think Nicole is a fantastic actress truly — but I think she is too old to play Grace Kelly at age 33, pure and simple. I would feel the same way if George Clooney or Brad Pitt were cast to play James Dean.

  24. ladybert62 says:

    The top picture of her is outstanding – she looks like grace kelly.

    The other pictures of her are horrible – I just cannot ever get beyond the “Bewitched” look with her spikey eyebrows.

  25. KellyinSeattle says:

    I doubt she really cares what Tom or Katie do/did. But I wish Keith Urban would dress a different way, for once.

  26. Dap says:

    She’s fake. Outside and inside.

  27. mimi (a different one) says:

    Don’t you guys get it?
    She is scared they will completely take her children away from her.

    She is trying to stay out of it and be as diplomatic as possible, becuase she is a mother, and she probably knows that Tom and the COS people can do horrible things (like brainwashing the children against her and like making sure they don’t get a normal childhood and a chance to lead a real independent life and go to college and work in a normal work-place etc.)

    She doesn’t want to get back to times when they children were more actively brainwashed against her, so she will have some sort of relationship with them.

    I think she is speaking as a mother.
    The forgiveness tells me that Tom did some things that are just horrible.
    It’s as if she has been through a tragedy and things that are really strikingly horrendous.

  28. Granger says:

    If I knew that a very young, naive girl was going to marry my crazy ex who belonged to a cult and had turned my children against me, I would be calling that girl up and telling her to GET THE F*** OUT. I could never stand back and watch that happen to another woman — even if I knew there was very little chance she would listen to me.

    Obviously I have no idea if Nicole ever did say something to Katie before she married Tom, but I doubt it. I still think she let her oldest children go far too easily.

    • gg says:

      Very, very unrealistic. Katie was being brainwashed, watched and minded, 24/7. No way would they allow an untapped phone call between Nicole and Katie.

      • LAK says:

        People seem to think brainwashing was a simple enough operation that probably happened in one session….

        or that Katie [grown woman], who wasn’t allowed to do a simple fashion mag interview without a co$ minder [W magazine interview] could somehow have alone access to Nicole who could warn her easily about co$…..

        nevermind that co$ had gone out of their way to get rid of Nicole for nearly succeeding in taking their golden boy Tom away from co$ [testified by ex-co$ no 2 & No 3 Marty Rathburn & Mike Rinder] who also testify to the ongoing brainwashing sessions [plural] that drew the kids away from Nicole….

  29. Aotearovian says:

    Kaiser, to your first point (apologies if someone else has commented to this effect): WHO is People magazine, just rebranded for Australia and New Zealand (I live in NZ).

    Same content, design, everything – no idea why the title is different.

  30. TG says:

    I picked up on the forgiveness think right away too @Kaiser. It’s funny how celebs put in those little subtle statements for us to know the truth. I know this has probably been said many times but I just realized doesn’t NYC have open divorce courts? So Tommygirl would never want that. Now I realize why he settle so quickly.

  31. dee says:

    Who is just the Australian version of People magazine. They run almost the exact same magazine except for the odd local bits (and they cover local celebrities alot too hence why Nicole is on the cover i presume).