Were Gabriel Aubry’s visitation rights reinstated? Reports are mixed.

Well, bad news for Gabriel Aubry. But it’s not as bad as it could be. Gabriel was in family court yesterday to see if the court would rescind (withdraw?) Halle Berry’s emergency protective order against Gabe. Halle got the emergency order seemingly hours after the Thanksgiving fight between Gabriel and Olivier Martinez, and she let it be known that she would be seeking a permanent restraining order against Gabriel so that he would no longer have access to Nahla. Gabe battled back by filing for his own restraining order against Olivier, and making a declaration that Olivier had instigated the fight, and Olivier had tried to kill him. Well, the bad news is that the judge decided to let the emergency protective order stand as-is. The good news is that the order is only valid until Thursday, when Halle and Gabriel will likely be back in court arguing their different stories on what went down:

Gabriel Aubry took another lump in his war with Halle Berry today … a judge just rejected his bid to have the restraining order removed … which means he still can’t visit with his daughter Nahla.

Gabriel had gone back to court today to ask the judge to lift the emergency restraining order that was issued against him on the day he got beat up by Halle’s fiance Olivier Martinez.

Initially, the restraining order was supposed to stay in place until Dec. 3 … but today, the judge acknowledged there was a clerical error … and the order can only stay in effect until Thursday Nov. 29.

The order prohibits Gabriel from going within 100 yards of Nahla, Olivier or Halle.

Gabriel wanted the order to end TODAY — but the judge shut him down.

Now, Halle and Olivier will have to go to court by Thursday if they want to keep Gabriel away from them and Nahla.

[From TMZ]

Oddly enough, both Radar and Page Six are claiming that Gabriel DID win the right to see Nahla again right now, saying that after the judge met with Halle and Gabe’s lawyers behind closed doors, the judge “tweaked the restraining order to allow him to see Nahla again… it wasn’t clear how Aubry would be able to see Nahla because he’s still under orders to steer clear of Berry and Martinez. We’re also told that Aubry may not be able to work for months due to his nasty collection of facial cuts and bruises.” Basically, I think we have to go through all of this again on Thursday. Only I guess the lawyers will be more prepared then. Hopefully.

Radar had a very sympathetic pro-Gabe story yesterday, before the court made its ruling. A “source” told Radar:

“Gabe has had enough, he has now twice been accused of criminal behavior resulting in his recent arrest after a fight with Olivier Martinez on Thanksgiving. Gabe will ask the judge to prohibit Martinez from having any contact with Nahla. Gabe will also ask the judge to re-instate his visitation with Nahla after Halle obtained a protective order after Gabe’s arrest which doesn’t allow him to have any contact with his little girl. Gabe believes that the judge will be disturbed by the fact that Olivier suddenly inserted himself into the custody hand off on Thursday. Halle’s nanny/housekeeper is supposed to be the go-between for the parents when Gabe picks up and drops off Nahla.”

[Via Radar]

I think the idea of prohibiting Olivier from seeing Nahla makes sense logically – after all, if the argument is “Gabriel should be seen as violent,” then you can easily make the same case for Olivier. And if Gabe’s version of events is true (or even mostly true), I would NOT want Olivier around any children either. At the end of the day, I suspect that this legal move will just make Halle and Olivier even angrier. You know what really worries me? The nightmare scenario in which Halle and Olivier just pick up and take Nahla to some country where an extradition order would never be honored. I think that might even be Halle’s Nuclear Option, you know? So let’s be thankful right now that both Halle and Gabriel are still channeling their anger and rage and drama and insanity through the court system.

As for the possibility that Gabe will actually face criminal charges (he was initially charged with misdemeanor battery), TMZ and Radar are in agreement that it is unlikely. TMZ says the cops will recommend that Gabe NOT by prosecuted because the fight was “mutual combat”. But Radar says that Gabriel wants Olivier to face criminal charges for the attack.

Also: bizarre story, but Extra is reporting that in Gabe’s restraining order filing, he referred to Halle as his “ex-wife”. They were never married to anyone knowledge, so… maybe it’s just a typo?

Photos courtesy of WENN, Fame/Flynet.

 

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  1. brin says:

    True…I’m getting whiplash from all the differing stories. Gabriel should file criminal charges against Olivier.
    Going to be interesting to see if Halle stays with Olivier.

  2. Riana says:

    I’m not sure how it works in a situation like this but I know there’s something like acceptable self-defense where someone shoves you you DO have the right to defend yourself BUT it must be acceptable.

    This is to say even if Gabriel shoved first I’m not sure how Olivier and Berry would explain broken ribs and the like. It goes way past any reasonable attempts at self-defense and frankly, frighteningly enough, comes pretty close to being life threatening.

    • Liv says:

      +1

      Olivier apparently smashed Gabriel’s face on the ground – I still can’t believe that he’s the one with an protection order!

      • Cliff says:

        …but were there actually witnesses? Because a lot of the stuff we’ve heard is probably made up!

      • Erinn says:

        @Cliff… whether some stuff is made up or not, Gabe has a hell of a lot of injuries, while Olivier only has a sore shoulder and a hand that got injured while pummeling a guy’s body.

      • Liv says:

        I think his face injuries show that Olivier didn’t just punched him. He has scratches on his nose and stuff.

      • Kate says:

        Cliff, the injuries are a matter of record – you can even see photos. Those are not self defence level injuries. No way. You don’t break your hand defending yourself, as a rule, either – not when the other guy ends up with a broken rib and a face looking like that, with pristine and unmarked hands themselves.

        “Self defence” isn’t ” a license to beat someone to a pulp. It’s just what it says on the tin.

        Not aimed at Cliff, but I can’t help noticing that when the claims first surfaced, Berry supporters were insisting that it didn’t matter the provocation, Aubrey should have walked away and that nothing justifies violence. Now they’re arguing that Aubrey provoked Martinez and got what was coming to him. The positions are in direct contradiction.

      • sauvage says:

        @ Kate:

        Back then we didn’t know what we know now. I wrote that Gabe should have walked away and that talking is a way better way to solve any issues, but NO WAY am I a Halle supporter! She is batshit crazy, anyone can see that.

    • RuddyZooKeeper says:

      I know this comparison isn’t in the same realm of seriousness as the injuries are concerned, but I read a news article last night about an older man who pretty much executed two teenagers (I think, or early 20s?) who broke into his house. First shots he took aimed at their legs knocked them down, then he emptied his guns into them while they lay incapacitated. The homeowner is being charged now.

      It stops being self defense when there’s no longer a need to fight back or protect yourself/others. Line crossed.

      And I know we all think he’s a slimy cockroach, but after seeing what “crazy” is capable of, does anybody blame Michael Lohan for recording nearly every interaction and communication he has with the rest of that Lohan clan? Almost wish GA would start doing the same for his own protection.

      • TG says:

        I agree with shooting to kill someone who breaks into your home, because as a woman my thoughts are anyone invading my home is intending to kill, rape and/or torture me and I am not going to wait around to find out which, but by Olivier’s own statement he started the fight by approaching Gabe. That is why I think the cops have been bought why would gabe be the aggressor when olivier approached him about his child that to me is threatening behavior. So Olivier needs to be trussed up and sent on his way to France with a nice felony around his neck.

    • Justyna says:

      I was thinking the same thing. In most European countries it’s called a proportionality rule meaning that a self-defense must be proportional to the attack. I don’t know how it works in the States exactly but I suppose it’s similar – you cannot fire a gun at someone who is tresspassing unarmed and in this case, if you started a fight by slapping or punching someone in the face, but the punch was minor enough that your opponent doesn’t have a visible marks on his face (like Martinez), he cannot beat you up the way Martinez did – two black eyes, broken ribs, other visible and non-visible injuries. It’s criminally unproportional to the attack. And the fact that he is trained in boxing is against him because his hands might be treated as deadly weapons. Even the fact that Aubry is a model would be an argument. Martinez knows GA uses his good looks to earn money and yet he kept ruining his face. In my country Martinez would be the one with criminal charges, not Aubry, 100%.

  3. Cookie says:

    Olivier Martinez looks like a major jerk grinning for the cameras. From all accounts Gabriel is a good dad. In almost every picture of him and his daughter she looks happy to be with him. Halle needs to stop this crazy drama or her daughter is going to grow up and seriously resent her for this.

    • Liv says:

      Yeah, it’s pretty obvious. You can tell just from photos that Nahla is not only not afraid of Gabriel at all, but more comfortable with him than with her mother.

      Plus it’s so ridiculous that Olivier wears a bandage now! He didn’t have to wear one after the fight but he has to do it now?? I assume he needs to show us that he got badly hurt while beating the crap out of Gabriel!!

      • Naira says:

        Ofcourse. Because pap arranged photos tell you everything you need to know about these things! Boy rings up the paps more than Leann and Aniston combined. Or are we to believe that they just magically know when to catch him with Nahla together intuitively? Dude may be a good dad who knows. Pap photos will tell you diddly though. Arrgh with this tabloid generation.

      • kas says:

        Remember in the initial “after” photos of him at (I think) a liquor store he made damn sure the paps got a shot of his bruised but otherwise fine hands?

        He was smirking like a jackass and happy to show them.

      • Liv says:

        Tabloid generation? Yeah, whatever ;-)

      • bluhare says:

        Naira: Boy didn’t ring up the paps until Halle started her smear campaign. And arguing paps with these two taking Halle’s side . . . well, you won’t win. She’s as bad as anyone WHEN SHE WANTS.

        It’s pretty obvious she’s running a drama in the court of public opinion to get sympathy for her case. Unfortunately, it isn’t working.

      • Kate says:

        @Naira – it doesn’t matter who did or didn’t ring the paps in this context. The body language is coming from Nahla, who it’s safe to say has no horse in the publicity race. She hangs from her dad’s hands in total trust, nestles into him in a relaxed and bonded way, and shows absolutely no sign of guarded or defensive behaviour. Kids that age can’t fake that. It’s an attachment relationship, no question. Remove a primary attachment figure from a small child, most especially a parent, and you profoundly harm them. Berry should know that, given all the court action, because repeated psych reports will have stated it – believe me, they will. She just doesn’t care. She’s prepared to harm her own tiny daughter irrevocably if it means she gets her own way. Sorry, but that makes her scum, just as it does Charlie Sheen and that awful Rutherford woman.

    • marie says:

      IKR?!? Olivier is just eating up the attention, and it’s disturbing really..

      • Vesper says:

        There are so many pics of Oliver glaring at the paps, in some of them he is yelling at them, yet NOW he smirks. How stupid is this guy? Does he not have enough sense to realize that there will be major repercussions for violenting beating on his fiance’s baby daddy.

        If Halle really did have Natalya’s best interests at heart she would dump Oliver immediately. How can she not be concerned about the fact that her fiance and future step-father of her daughter had no problem beating someone to a pulp?

    • The Original Tiffany says:

      No kidding, he looks the the smuggest bastard douchebag to ever walk the earth here.

      I am also now happy he restaurant just got 20 health violations. Serious ones at that, cutting boards on the floor, non-de-parasited fish, So his restaurant is as sickening as he is.

      Aubrey has several cuts on his face, eyes worse than MANY car crash victims I have seen in ICU and a broken rib. Oli has a broken hand and a hurt shoulder.
      Seems pretty clear he tossed Gabe on the ground, tried to kill him (no, I am not blowing this up, if he beat a girl this bad everyone would be screaming attempted murder and it should be no different in this case. There is NO excuse in the world to savage someone like this unless you are trying to kill them) and bashed his face in on the cement, hit him and then a good kick in the ribs to an unconscious man. If it did not go down like that, show me an injury trail that speaks differently. That is why we take pictures in the hospital-injuries and the pattern of them do not lie.
      Also, look at those pap pics of Oli attacking that photog. He is coming off his feet in a lunge at the guy. Sound familiar? Why don’t we send the truly violent asshole in this saga back to France?
      I truly believe that this is backfiring big time on Hot Mess Hit and Run Halle.
      If Gabe took that kind of savagery, but gets the truth out about HB and OM and gets his parental rights back in total then so be it. Someday that little girl is going to know her dad almost got killed in his perserverance to stay in her life. For any of you that doubt this guy or call him a gold digger, look what he is going through to stay in his daughter’s life. That speaks volumes. Many guys would have walked away. He is getting threatened, taking a beating and still fighting.
      If OM threatened to kill GA before and then followed through with this beating what does that say about OM and HB?
      People coming down on GA, I do not get. The machinations of this entire deal are so clear in hindsight, no?

      • the original bellaluna says:

        Preach, OTiff!! :)

      • bluhare says:

        What OT said.

        Great assessment of what went down. I’ve found myself hoping that the sombre Halle photos were her looking at what happened and wondering about what COULD happen. To her. Or her daughter.

      • Memphis says:

        +1 OTiff.

        And God only knows what lies they are filling Nahla’s head with about her father right now. Sickening.

      • stinky says:

        in all of Hollywood – is there NO LAWYER OUT THERE willing to step-up and help this alienated father??? the time has come, ffs! gabriel is now the poster-boy for the cause (whether he knows it or not) ps: i will n-e-v-e-r get my head around halle kicking him to the curb. unbelievable.

      • sharylmj says:

        I totally agree with this. Poor Nahla, I hope Gabriel never gives up the fight, she needs her dad so badly. That crazy mom of hers and that disgusting pig boyfriend are scary.

      • MW says:

        Perfectly put, OT. If anybody is still giving Halle the benefit of the doubt, or is “confused” or downright hating on GA after all of this, they are just not reading all of the info out there, or will be on Halle’s team, no matter what. People who didn’t care one way or another were really swayed by the photos, but then the supposedly “re-directed” cameras really did it. Gabriel was begging for that tape at the scene, he did not change his story on what happened. @Stinky – FORTUNATELY, GA does have a really good attorney. Shawn Holley.

      • Camille (TheOriginal) says:

        Excellent comment The Original Tiffany, I completely agree with you!

      • gg says:

        Exactly. And there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for grown men to be brawling, period. And over a child, when the child is the very reason they need to set a good example, not an example of savagery and a bad and violent temper.

        Olivier clearly is in the wrong. And how many punches and kicks did he think was enough after he kept on pummelling Gabriel?? Olivier is A MENACE TO SOCIETY.

      • skuddles says:

        Excellent comment Tiff! And further to your point about Gabe NOT being a gold digger… if the dude was only after money, he would have let Berry pay him off ages ago to give up his parental rights to Nahla. And for anyone who thinks he’s just running the long con here, look at Nahla’s body language – it does not lie – it’s obvious she feels very happy and secure with her Daddy. You can’t fake the kind of closing and loving relationship they share.

        But speaking of gold digging, what’s the deal with Martinez claiming Gabe cost “them” $3 million in legal fees? Is he helping to foot the bill? Or is it more a matter of “Halle’s money is my money”?

      • skuddles says:

        Stinky, I don’t think Berry kicked Gabe to the curb, I believe it was the other way around. There were stories about this circulating shortly after the split – until Berry’s PR machine stepped in with a counter story saying she dumped him. She could not bear to lose face. I honestly believe much of her rage towards Gabe comes from the fact he dumped her on her crazy, controlling ass.

      • Vesper says:

        @ The Original Tiffany:

        + 100.

      • Sassy says:

        Tif, are you saying that Olivier owns a restaurant? Where? He should be deported IMO.

      • EscapedConvent says:

        I have to agree, Original Tiffany. Very eloquent post.

        Even before this Thanksgiving brawl, (extra exciting! for the holiday!) Berry has dragged Aubry to court so often & so regularly it must make him dizzy.

        There is no excuse for Martinez to have interfered in this. I wish Aubry would press charges, especially if he can’t accept jobs for awhile while his face heals.

  4. Bad Irene says:

    Martinez face is so smug looking and I would not trust him as far as I could throw him. If I remember correctly he also insisted that Kylie live in France during their relationship too, even when diagnosed with cancer and she had started treatment at home in Australia to be near her family. She packed up everything and moved to be with him, reports at the time were that her family hated him and felt he was isolating her from them. He must be very charming because I cannot see ‘the hot’.

    End of off topic rant.

  5. Riana says:

    Also I don’t comment on these three much but I see this a lot and have to say.

    There’s no compromise here. There’s no ‘all the adults are acting like kids and should think of Nahla’. Sadly this isn’t just about Daddy not being able to take his daughter on vacation.

    There are times when some adults will not stop till they get their way. If there was any kind of effort that could be made to make this custody work amicably I think Gabe would be the FIRST person to want it. Not because he is a saint but because it’s pretty clear he wants and loves that little girl.

    But when there’s no compromise that could ever be reached what is he supposed to do?

    He’s going to keep fighting for custody because there is no other option available to him and Halle is going to self-destruct one way or another. Period.

    • yup says:

      I so agree with this. I think Halle cannot abide anyone else in Gabriel’s life that could possibly be seen as a step-mom to her daughter. I think the prospect of Gabe dating someone famous other than her – really made her snap (remember the Kardashian date Gabe had a few years ago – Halle went ballistic, and that seemed the the thing that made her lose it for all time). Since then it seems there’s been this antagonizing one upmanship in the way Halle has operated.

    • DreamyK says:

      +1

      I actually saw this happen in my ex husbands 2nd marriage/divorce.

      Ex-Wife #2 literally bankrupted herself, and him in the process, with constant court filings, changing lawyers numerous times, false accusations, psychiatrists, CPS, the works. VERY disturbing.

      They said it was about their daughter, but really? It was all about them. The scars they have visited on their daughter are heinous. This shit Halle is pulling is beyond toxic. It’s borderline criminal.

    • Kate says:

      Yeah, this.

      The one thing a lot of parents facing an unquenchably hostile ex over children find, is formerly mutual friends will earnestly sit them down and ask them to compromise and find some way forward. One mom (this can happen to women, too, if they aren’t primary caregiver) said she asked this wellmeaning idiot if she was supposed to just never see her kid again? “No, of course not.” Yet visitation was all she was asking for – every other damn weekend and one midweek night. And her ex wanted no contact whatsoever. Her refusing to accept that meant she was “failing to compromise.” Um – what?

      People seem preprogrammed to assume they need to be neutral and ask both sides to meet in the middle. But Aubrey is only asking for 50% care. That IS meeting in the middle. What else is he meant to do? Roll over and allow Berry to cut him off? Seriously, what compromise position is available to the guy?

  6. The Other Katherine says:

    I don’t normally get this emotionally involved in celeb disputes, but every time I see Olivier’s smug, weaselly face I just want to punch him in it. Repeatedly.

    Wow.

    I guess one important difference between me and Olivier is that I don’t go around threatening people with physical harm (or inflicting actual physical harm) just because I *feel* that way. It’s called being a grown-up.

    • Pookie says:

      Totally agree!
      And does anyone truly believe that Halle will be with this guy forever and for always? Just another one of her ill thought out choices of men.
      This is a horrible scenario for Nahla to have to witness and be involved in.
      Whether Halle and her douche bag “for the moment” fiance like it or not, Gabriel is Nahla’s father. He truly seems like a loving dad to his child and is entitled to have shared custody of her.
      I truly don’t doubt Gabriel’s side of the story. Olivier has that look to him. CREEPY CREEPY CREEPY!

      • Vesper says:

        I don’t see their relationship lasting much longer. The court isn’t going to ignore the fact that Natalya’s mother is living with someone who beat another person so violently. If there is any chance of any risk to Natalya, the court will not allow Oliver to remain in Natalya’s life. Halle will likely have to choose between her relationship and her child.

    • Liv says:

      She really has a pattern, doesn’t she? The only normal guy she was with is Gabriel, and she’s fighting against him hard.

    • aims says:

      I agree. Gabriel has every right to protect himself and child. I think oliver is abusive. If he can fly off the handle and beat the shit out of Gabriel, he could do the same to Nahla. Whatever happen to the unwritten rule that as a stepparent, you stay out of anything regarding the stepchild? You let the parents handle anything regarding the kid, because its not your child so its really none of your bussiness. Support your spouse, but know your place regarding the situation. My heart goes out to Gabriel and he has my respect. Even getting the crap kicked out of him, hes standing firm and wont be bullied out of his daughters life. I hope he gets nahla and sues the crap out of Halle abd Oliver.

      • The Original Tiffany says:

        No kidding! Everyone gets pissed when Leann tweets about her bonus boys. Can you imagine the uproar if Leann came out to do a hand off between Brandi and Ediot and tried to kill Brandi?
        See how bad it is that OM, who isn’t even married to HB comes out and instigates this thing? Why is he even out there???

        I think Gabe should sue the living crap out of them for lost wages as well.

    • Skipper says:

      I agree – normally I could really give a shit about celebrity custody battles, but this one really gets to me, particuarly because Gabe seems like a truly loving father who just wants to take care of his child; Halle is simply using her as a pawn in her sick game – Halle really only cares about Halle… I would love to see Gabe come out as the ultimate victor (ie. full custody of Nahla) and Halle/Olivier go down in flames… Olivier looks so smug in the photos because he is loving the attention… he was basically irrelevant (still is) until he started starting Halle; now his much higher profile is pushing his ego through the roof. Just goes to show that the narcissists love attention, even wholly negative attention, at any cost (hello Lilo). Halle can basically kiss the last shreds of her ‘career’ goodbye forever… she will never recover from this professionally.

  7. Victoria1 says:

    Anyone else seeing Halle running away to a non friendly extradition country? This is like a lifetime movie.

    • Vesper says:

      I’m not sure if a person living in such a country would be pemitted to keep a young child who has been kidnapped. Since Gabriel has joint custody it would be considered a kidnapping.

      Does anyone know this area of law?

    • Jennifer says:

      Several things need to happen:

      1. The judge needs to take Nahla’s passport away and put it in safe keeping. This will prevent Halle from taking Nahla out of the country.

      2. Gabriel needs to file an order for Olivier to stay away from Nahla.

      3. Gabriel needs to seek full custody.

      4. Gabriel’s employers need to file a suit against Olivier.

      5. Gabriel needs to file assault charges against Olivier.

      6. And finally, the judge needs to put Halle away. She is bat sh** crazy.

  8. LAK says:

    The daily mail had a scanned copy of RO he filed against OM and it definitely refers to Halle as his ex-wife. Perhaps they were married but kept it quiet like Janet Jackson and her ex Reno whatshisname. Or maybe it’s all that spiritual marriage stuff she was telling Oprah back in 2008.

    • the original bellaluna says:

      I think the terms “wife” and “husband” have come to encompass how people feel about their relationship, regardless of its actual status. jmho

    • mln76 says:

      Even if they could keep it a secret when they married just like Janet Jackson it would have become public record when they divorced (at least the initial filing).

    • Lucrezia says:

      The form was obviously filled in by a lawyer/clerk rather than GA himself. (The “fill in the blanks” are typed, not than hand-written and the longer answers in “legalese” rather than normal-English.)

      So the simplest explanation is that GA simply said “OM is the fiance of my ex, Halle Berry” and the lawyer/clerk misinterpreted. Seems like a dumb mistake though. Surely they’d ASK “ex-what?” rather than assuming ex-wife.

  9. Vee says:

    The fact is Halle has been actively trying to eliminate Gabriel from Nahla’s life for the past two years. Eliminate a clearly loving and committed father. That is despicable. In the court of public opinion, she and Gabriel lose every single time.

  10. Jennika says:

    This probably already came up somewhere, but I’m so confused as to why Gabriel got arrested, when he got so much more beat up the Oliver. I’m sure Gabriel did fight, but I think Oliver made the first move or egged him on. Even if it was “self defense” Oliver went overboard and could have killed Gabriel. Could someone explain that to me? I think that Gabriel probably is a dick, but Halle is 110% worse and more dangerous, and I just feel so bad for him

    • the original bellaluna says:

      Jennika – From what I’ve read, Gabe was unconscious or unable to respond when Olivier (a non-citizen) made his “citizen’s arrest.” (Go figure.)

      In a typical Domestic Violence situation, BOTH parties (male & female) would have been arrested, giving the cops time to sort out the stories and look at the injuries/evidence.

      So I don’t understand it either, unless what I’ve read is true.

      • Liv says:

        I don’t get the american law. It’s funny enough that people can do citizen’s arrests, but that somebody who isn’t even a citizen is allowed to do so – incomprehensible.

      • Loulou says:

        Gabriel’s rights were completely disregarded.

      • Jennika says:

        I think I also read that Gabriel wants security tapes released, but the cameras “didn’t tape it” or something. Theres probably something shady going on, but I’ve been trying to avoid this story lol

      • the original bellaluna says:

        Liv – I’m an American, and I don’t get American law, either!! It can be ridiculous and nonsensical.

      • Lucrezia says:

        Citizen can either mean:
        - member of a county/state, or
        - private person rather than law-enforcement officer.

        The latter definition applies in citizen’s arrest. Think “civilian’s arrest” rather than “American’s arrest”. Make sense now?

        (Don’t ask me why it’s not called “civilian’s arrest” in the first place – that I can’t explain.)

      • The Original Tiffany says:

        TMZ reported last night that…big surprise the tapes do not show anything since they were pointed to the street and the walls. Funny that…
        If I had security cameraS-plural-I would certainly point one at my door.

        So is anyone here surprised that-

        1. No usable security tapes!
        2. No witnesses!
        3. No nanny hand off, OM does it?
        4. cops got there so fast!
        5. Citizen’s arrest on unconscious beat to a pulp man by a guy with a broken hand?!

        This smells so bad, I can smell this in Atlanta! If you listed out all the facts on a timeline, I bet it would be very telling. I am strongly believing GA, including the threats and who attacked who and his saying they said they had already called the cops, all of it. Nothing supports the other side-nothing makes sense that GA started this.

        HB and OM had the axe to grind, having just lost the court case and spent $$$. She has been losing a lot of court cases, ala pushing the nanny and is pissed and bitter. Step back, look at the totality of her life and the last two years and tell me that GA is the aggressor here. He just wants joint custody of his own daughter.

        HB wants him gone. She wants him to have no rights at all, from accusing him of violence to racism and trying to cut him out of Nahla’s life. What has GA done to HB? Nothing except defend himself and try to be a dad. This is sick, if he was the mother this would be a huge story with everyone freaking out and it wouldn’t be happening. In this case, sexism is so against the dad. It is so true in family courts. It is so hard for fathers to get equal rights. If the situation were reversed they would have handled this differently.

        I don’t see how anyone can side with Crazy Halle when they look at the big picture and sheer evidence. RE: the birth certificate? The first thing she did to cut the father out and it hasn’t stopped yet, has it? I am sure he figured that she put him down on it since they were in a relationship. He must have been totally caught off guard by that, no reason for him to even think about it at the time. They handle stuff differently in Canada, so maybe it didn’t occur to him.

      • emmie_a says:

        Original Tiffany: Thank you for pointing out that the cops got there so fast. In Gabriel’s statement, he said that while Olivier was beating on him, Olivier mentioned that the cops were on their way… How would Olivier know the cops were on their way DURING the fight? Granted this is Gabriel’s version of events and he was horribly banged-up but still — it just seems strange.

      • bluhare says:

        OT, you’ve helped me put things into perspective today. Thank you.

        All this because Gabriel just wanted his paternity to be legally recognized. That’s what this is about. And Halle can’t handle it. What she must be saying to her daughter about this is making my brain cells implode.

        She’s poster girl for parental alienation, and I hope the courts pull a Kelly Rutherford on her and give primary custody to GA with HB getting nice visitation.

      • The Original Tiffany says:

        Thanks:) Seriously this situation has gotten me so pissed.

        I never hated this woman until this saga started and I never like GA or had an opinion, but when you dig a little, look back over their stories and put it together it speak volumes.

        SHow me GA lunging at a pap or anyone like OM was. Show me he has a history of accusing exes of horrible things. SHow me his past history of hitting people and leaving. All you heard of him before this was how great he was from HB herself!
        Literally, when you look at the past two years all he has done is continue to want his daughter in his life equally. THAT IS IT. He never went after Halle, he didn’t do anything to her, this, every bit of this has been instigated by her.

        This has nothing to do with race, with him being “pretty”, nothing. It has everything to do with one parent systematically trying to cut the other parent out of their own child’s life for spite and selfishness. She is the proverbial dog in the manger.

        What strikes me as very sad is this-as a foster child himself I am sure he wants a real Daddy to be in Nahla’s life. He wants better for his kid, as any good parent should. That is all. He is probably deeply scarred from this, it is probably his freaking nightmare for him to have his own kid raised without a parent as he was. That is so sad for both he and Nahla. I still fail to see where and when GA did anything wrong in the last two years to be labelled by some as a gold digger, a violent man, etc.

        His daughter CLEARLY loves and adores him and he does her. That is something we should commend him for and look what he gets in thanks from he mother. It disgusts me and I will never again watch anything the two batshit nutsos are in. I hope the two of them never work again.

        I fail to see how anyone can support her anymore, this should be the last nail in her twisted coffin. We can only hope, right?

      • bluhare says:

        OT Said:

        What strikes me as very sad is this-as a foster child himself I am sure he wants a real Daddy to be in Nahla’s life. He wants better for his kid, as any good parent should. That is all. He is probably deeply scarred from this, it is probably his freaking nightmare for him to have his own kid raised without a parent as he was.

        THIS!!!!!!!!!

      • MW says:

        @OT – I agree completely again. What you said is the absolute truth. I always liked Halle, but when she got with GA, had the baby, I thought it was so nice for them, and my interest picked up a lot more. I was sad to see their relationship end, but like you, I have continued to follow their story. I do not get why some people are still giving Halle the benefit of the doubt, and are still making such idiotic statements about GA at this point. Like you said, he has done nothing but try to father his child. I think HB and OM planned this to get a permanent restraining order against GA, and it BACKFIRED, because OM overplayed it. I wonder how mad Halle is at OM right now? GA could get OM removed from Halle’s home because he doesn’t want his daughter near OM. That is not what Halle was tying to accomplish! Halle can’t really dump OM either, because he could turn on her and go to the police and press, and tell them what Halle’s plan was all along. No wonder she looks so angry in all the recent photos, and she did it all to herself!

      • Vesper says:

        @ The Original Tiffany:

        What makes u think that Gabriel was a foster child? I’ve always read that he is French Canadian, grew up in Quebec and came from a large family. I just checked Wikipedia and he apparently came from a family of nine children. I’m not saying Wikipedia is the best source of info, but I am curious about the discrepancy.

      • The Original Tiffany says:

        @ Vesper. It has been discussed a lot. I don’t know why, he is one of nine kids. Here is the best link I found, from Montreal. He apparently was in the Laval area/system.

        http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/laval-s-gabriel-aubry-fights-halle-berry-s-request-to-move-child-to-france-1.766238

      • Sassy says:

        Re: Citizen’s arrest – how could a French citizen do a “citizen’s arrest” on a French Canadian citizen while in United States of America. Legal eagles, please answer!

    • Nona says:

      In some reports, Gabriel was unconscious. At the least, he must have been disoriented and somewhat incoherent. The police came, heard only one side of the story, and arrested him. Looks like they’re going to recommend that the charges be dropped.

    • Kat says:

      I read somewhere that there were few mistakes when the cops arrested him, think they didn’t read his rights o something like that, again i have to say, in my country (i’m a law student) in this cases, the arrest becomes invalid if is not done correctly because it violates few essential rights, so the lawyer could say it was an illegal arrest and the charges would be dropped, but of course, that is in my cray cray country…

    • emmie_a says:

      Regarding Olivier making a citizen arrest: I have lived in the US my entire life and I have heard of a citizen arrest but I wouldn’t even know what to do or how to do it or when, etc. So doesn’t it seem suspicious that Olivier, a foreigner, knew how to make a citizen arrest, in the midst of an incredibly heated, emotional moment? — It just seems that maybe this was a set-up or pre-meditated and Olivier was following his (dramatic) script.

      • Kat says:

        That’s a good point, most of the people I know wouldn’t know how to do anything related to laws, and less in another country. Maybe Oli has been studying laws during his free-i’m-not-making-movies time

      • sunlight says:

        Oh dear. Our education system has truly failed us if people dont know how to make a civillian arrest of all things. Dont they still do civic studies? Havent people atleast seen them depicted on TV/movies or do they think they are just creative devices?

      • mln76 says:

        I went to very good schools and was never taught how to make a citizen’s arrest. I think it’s more something you learn if you become a security guard or self defense classes.

      • Lucrezia says:

        Um … what do you guys think a citizen’s arrest entails?

        It’s pretty simple: you see someone committing a crime, you catch/restrain them, you call the cops. Tada! You’ve performed a citizen’s arrest. You don’t have to give them a fancy speech about their rights or anything. The cops do that when they get there.

        The concept also exists in France (“hold the bad guy until the cops get here” is pretty much a universal idea), so it wouldn’t be alien to OM.

    • Josephina says:

      Jennika,

      Gabriel, a male model, foolishly threw the first punch—at an ex-boxer (Martin Olivier). Martin BLOCKED the punch and countered, obviously, with several well-meaning shots that LANDED. Not very smart. You do not throw punches at persons who can kick your ass.

      Folks, get over how Gabriel looks. This guy makes poor choices. AND it is clear that he cannot control his temper. He is not that innocent. He is also lacking some serious common sense.

      Any father knows that you have to get along with the mother ON SOME LEVEL in order to have a functional relationship with your child. He is starting to behave like the Alec Baldwin/Kim Basinger drama. Pay closer attention to his tit-for-tat moves. This has already hurt him physically, emotionally and financially. and he still has not learned his lesson.

      He is the one that wants a relationship with his daughter. It will not happen without a civil relationship with the mother. He is going about it the wrong way and there isn’t a judge in the world that would give him sole custody, especially since it is evident that he has a temper. Olivier defended himself and with great skill, period. Gabriel walked right into the lion’s den and got mauled. I cannot sympathize with stupid.

      He may love his child, but if he cannot find a way to get along with the mother of his child and soon, he will be spending a lot of his time in court instead of enjoying happy days with his daughter. Hopefully, someone with wisdom AND common sense will slow this fool down and get him to focus on the big picture.

      • bluhare says:

        What’s Halle’s responsibility in all of this? Does she have any? What you say about Gabriel goes both ways. She needs to find a way to get along with the father of her daughter. Sending the man who the mother is using to usurp the fathers role to greet the father doesn’t exactly seem like a smart move.

      • Liv says:

        From where do you know that Gabriel threw the first punch?

      • LadidahBaby says:

        …and you know he “threw the first punch” HOW?!? From the look of the two men post-altercation–only offensive wounds on OM; GA beaten to a pulp in an obviously rage-fueled manner–it’s not even clear GA had the opportunity to throw ANY punch. When I read posts like this one it convinces me there are planted posts–that, or posters who came into this with preconceived notions and biases re the players in this tragedy. I have no dog in this fight–Halle Berry was at one time a woman I truly admired; Olivier Martinez was an actor I thought was dreamy-looking (that was before he acquired that perennially squinty-eyed look–proving btw that the French were right when they said that we all have the face we deserve by the age of 40)…and in all that time Gabriel Aubrey was not even on my radar. I’m not attracted to blond men, nor do I find “male model” an interesting occupation. But over the years I have come to see Halle as a spoiled, entitled woman who shows ALL the common features of borderline personality disorder; Olivier Martinez as an ex-boxer with a short fuse and a love of controlling his women; and Gabriel Aubry as a fairly ordinary man who absolutely loves his daughter and wants to give her a normal life despite Halle’s histrionic personality and her parade of broken relationships. Beyond all that, though, I can’t even get my head around the idea that anyone looking at the evudence here–GA’s face, his bruise-free hands, and his utter lack of a motive, vs OM’s busted hand and clear motivation after losing the court case and 3 million bucks–could believe GA “threw the first punch”"..indeed, that he threw ANY punch at all.

      • MW says:

        @Josephina – Oliver SAID GA threw the first punch; GA said he got jumped. Even if OM’s version is correct, according to California law, an ASSAULT (by Olivier) could have occurred first, WHICH DOES NOT EVEN HAVE TO INVOLVE TOUCHING. If GA felt he was being threatened enough ward off OM with a punch, technically, OM threw the first. “Punch” with his threats. And OM is the aggressor. Halle and OM apparently did not brush up on the law well enough to consider that little glitch.

      • emmie_a says:

        Josephina: Sorry, but you have it all wrong. Seriously, the only spit of common sense in your comment is that parents have to get along. And yes, Gabriel has been hurt physically, emotionally and financially by all of this. And who is the instigator? HALLE (and now by default, Olivier). True to her roots, she is creating, casting and starring in this needless drama.

        And I don’t think there has been one comment today about Gabriel looks so I don’t know why you’re bringing that up.

      • Feebee says:

        @ Josephina
        I think you need to read one of the excellent recaps some of the posters here have supplied because your comment is so…. strange.

        Firstly the guy’s name is Olivier Martinez not Martin Olivier. Secondly I think we’re all “over” the fact Aubry falls in the conventionally handsome mold. His looks now have nothing to do with this except for the fact that they are currently how he makes his living.

        An argument could be made that Olivier was the aggressor simply by inserting himself in the situation and confronting Aubry. If you take the ‘Aubry threw the first punch’ as gospel then I’m wondering if you live in Florida and served on the Casey Anthony jury.

        You have not one shred of evidence that Aubry has not tried to ‘get along’ with Halle Berry over this case. Yet the past shows that they were in fact doing that immediately following the split. Perhaps until Ms Berry realised Aubry was a devoted father.

      • MW says:

        @FeeBee- regarding your comment to Josephina — there is a person who goes by “Martin Harris” and “MH” (to name a couple), “commenting” on TMZ about this ongoing story, who absolutely hates GA for some reason. I wonder if Josephina is confused about which alter-ego she is using while posting here, hence the mention of “Martin Oliver”. Just sayin’.

      • Loira says:

        And how is Gabriel supposed to “get along” Hle? by letting her take his child to France where he has ho rights whatsoever And where the cray cray boyfriend is from?
        Martinez wants to go back to France and is angry because his money wallet has to stay in the US with her child.

      • Hm says:

        You have NO evidence whatsoever for ANYTHING you’ve written, and the physical evidence shown in the photos alone indicates the precise opposite of what you’ve written that was not 100% made up (your unsubstantiated claim that Aubrey threw the first punch.)

        I suppose the fact that you grandly address ‘folks’ and erroneously identify the *actual assailant with a record of tantrums,* Oliver Martinez, as “Martin Olivier,” pretty much says it all.

        God bless The Original Tiffany and others upthread for their excellent summaries. The world is witnessing a richer party with an extensive history of lying (Halle Berry, guilty of two hit-and-run indicents, and endless attacks on every ex she’s ever had) systematically abuse the father of her child. She’s likely destroyed her career with this vendetta. It is appalling on all fronts.

      • Vesper says:

        @ Josephina:

        Although everyone is entitled to their opinion, I have no clue as to how someone who has followed this fiasco since the beginning can say that Gabriel is at fault. Nor can I understand how u can look at pics of a man whose face was beaten to a pulp, and has not a single cut or bruise or defensive wound on his hands and deem that he is the aggressor.

        I suggest u read up on family law re. parental alienation, and criminal law re: self defense and proportionality.

        As for custody, Gabriel is actually going to come out ahead after this mess is done. If Halle continues along this path she will lose custody. The courts do not respond well to parental alienation or violence in the home.

      • RdyfrmycloseupmrDvlle says:

        …Get a freakin clue…..you sound like HB paid mouth piece….

      • Josephina says:

        @ Everyone who responded to my post–

        OK…so I read everyone’s responses.

        I do believe that Gabriel threw the 1st punch (per TMZ)–unfortunately he got his ass kicked. The pictures provided show proof of an ass-whooping to me. How, exactly, do you get jumped by a single person? It was a one-on-one beatdown where the shorter man with the shorter reach clearly had better skills.

        You guys believe that Gabriel was jumped? And so you must also think the citizen’s arrest was staged as well? Well OK, but I am not buying it. But we will find out the truth (hopefully) soon enough after they appear in court.

        Halle has had a number of short-lived relationships and marriages, in which a majority of them ended badly due to some form of abuse, and always accompanied by cheating. (See David Justice, Eric Benet, Wesley Snipes, Shemar Moore(?), Eddie Murphy, Micheal Ealy.)

        I do not see Gabriel as a saint. Halle has made it clear that she has issues with Gabriel as the father. Whether the court agreed with her thinking or not does not change how she feels about Gabriel. And no, Halle does not strike me as a person who trusts or wants Gabriel back.

        How many times has Gabriel been in court relating to his daughter? TOO MANY TIMES. Gabriel is the one fighting for equal access to his child. The best way is to get along with the mother and the child. The worst way is to fight the mother and pretend that you can have a normal, healthy relationship with your daughter in the face of mistrust, dislike and suspicion of the mother.

      • Liv says:

        So your source for the question who threw the first punch is TMZ??

        How is Gabriel supposed to get along with Halle when she constantly sabotages his custody rights? Have you ever met a person who just tries to bring you down, over and over again? It’s exhausting. And their is no way to deal with them than going to court and have a third instance telling them they are wrong.

        Self-criticism is really underestimated these days.

  11. I.want.shoes says:

    Regardless of who started the fight, I could never trust a man who is violent enough to bash another man’s face as violently as Olivier did, to be around my child.

    • Kim says:

      If GA is telling the truth that is not in police incident report.

      • emmie_a says:

        Kim: What’s not in the incident report? That his face got bashed? LOOK AT THE PICTURES. Do you honestly need more proof than those pictures?
        Your comments about this incident are incredibly asinine.

      • jano1981 says:

        Emmie_a – I think Kim is referring to the threats. From Oliver. The 3 million dollars they spent etcetera. Totally asinine of you to think she meant his beat up face. Duh! No need to be such a jerk Emmie_a.

      • emmie_a says:

        I apologize to Kim for my comment. I took your comment completely out-of-context.
        And thanks Jano1981 for the asinine, duh and jerk comment. That’s not overkill.

      • Ducky la Rue says:

        @emmie_a – For what it’s worth, I read Kim’s comment the same way you did. The original comment didn’t mention anything about the threats, nor did Kim’s response, so it certainly wasn’t clear.

      • Leigh_S says:

        Aubry has/had a concussion. Ever had one? I’ve had several. (competitive horseback-riding)

        Common concussion issues include:
        - Confusion, signs of which include a vacant stare, disorientation, delayed verbal or motor responses, and concentration/attention problems (Kushner, 1998)
        - Memory problems
        - Blurred vision
        and other symptoms.

        Temporal (temple/side of brain vs front) concussions are even MORE prone to memory issues

        The fact that all details did not come out immediately make perfect sense and support his argument more than discredit it.

      • Vesper says:

        I’d like to know when this police report was taken, as typically it is done directly after an incident.

        I was in a serious car accident when I was 19. I had been hit by another car, and it resulted in a concussion, head wound that required stitches, broken nose, and blood streaming down my face. I was deemed by the parademics to be in shock. Do u know when the police took my report? They took my report 30 minutes after the accident, minutes after I was wheeled into the hospital, but before I received any medical attention.

        After seeing and reading about the extent of Gabriel’s injuries, including a possible head injury which may or may not have knocked him out, I think it would be fair to say that timing of the police report is a huge factor and directly impacts reliability.

    • Grace says:

      I think the thing that is being overlooked is that OM had no business being involved with the handoff of the child. The nanny is supposed to do it. She is not his daughter.
      I was a stepmom. I loved my stepdaughter very much, as she loved me. That said, I did not deal with her mom or my ex husbands handling of their child. Not my place. It certainly was not that creepy Oliver dudes place either. I feel sorry for the little girl with a crazy mom.

  12. the original bellaluna says:

    The rational part of me understands that sometimes violence is warranted (life-threatening situations; the like), but certainly not in this case.

    But the emotional part of me is just so appalled by those pix of Gabe…his right eye is SWOLLEN SHUT. He can’t see out of it! And it’s BLACK. It looks terrible!

    I’m sorry, but I don’t think anything short of harming my children or “hairy kids” or my mom (because, you know, she’s my MOM) would ever enrage me enough to do that to another human being.

    The amount of anger summoned in that beating is frightening. Olivier should DEFINITELY not be around Nahla.

    And Halle needs her head examined.

    • Isan says:

      ITA with you. I was thinking that regardless of who started this brawl, the fact that you get beaten up so badly is not just physically damaging, but emotionally and mentally as well.

      It’s not just dealing with the threat of losing your child for good and constantly being attacked legally and verbally, but the physical assault on top of it in front of his daughter is humiliating and degrading.

      I hope he sues the hell out of them both and at the least will get damages and full reinstatement of his visitation rights out of it.

    • MW says:

      I wonder if Halle is even comprehending this, or is her abnormal hatred of Gabriel so all-encompassing that her judgment is impaired (further than normal). I wonder if she would take a hike from OM if she could, but she’s in this too deep?

    • Greta says:

      OT:

      Sounds like you work on the front lines in hospitals, as I have done. I only want to add an extremely important piece of evidence that is seen in GA’s photos: the side of his head is Matted with Blood! His head was pounded so hard on the pavement that it cut his head open. This is attempted murder. GA may sustain brain damage as it looks like it was his pre-frontal cortex that took the blow.

      I want to state now, for the record, that if LA County D.A. does not touch this case, or if it ends up with no criminal charge against a foreign visitor, against a complicit thug in Academy Award rags, then this country is over. There is no justice. I am quite sincere. Halle Berry has never been held responsible for many violations of law. She’s like a female O.J. having her current love interest doing the dirty work for her.

      It is time that we get clear who is the victim and who is the victimizer. If Halle Berry stays with this Franco-boxer thug, after what happened, then she is 100% complicit with the attempted murder of her baby’s father. This is a horror show on so many levels.

  13. chloe says:

    I really feel for Nahla, there are so many kids in the system that have neither parent that’s worthy of raising them or even around, in her case she has two parents that could co-parent just fine. I’m getting sick of Gabe getting equal blame, what is he supposed to do if he doesn’t fight Halle in the courts, she will take Nahla away, as for Halle paying Gabe support, she’s an over-paid actress that has the cash and I’m sure she want’s her daughter raised with security and fancy homes, so she needs to pay out (just like men have been doing for years). I’m betting Halle probably offered a larger sum for Gabe to walk away from Nahla a few years ago. The both need co-counseling.

  14. Dap says:

    Imagine Berry runs off with Nahla. Imagine the girl never sees her daddy again. Imagine, she is suddenly 15 or 20 years old and she googles the name of her daddy (or a own) and she discovers all this…How do you recover from that?

    • bouncy says:

      If she googles she will see her dad was no angel himself, with some sketchy past. She will wonder if he tried to milk his own daughter. She may even ask why if he was the best paid model in the world, he still made her mum give him 20,000 a month. She may even wonder why a court would give it to him when he did not even have primary custody. She may also ask if this story is true why did it take him so many days to tell it. Why did he not tell it to the cops but only make it many days later in a declaration co-drafted by his custody attorney.

      I am ofcourse assuming she grows into an inquisitive girl who can critically assess tabloid bs and see through clear biases.

      • Erinn says:

        Oh come on. If this was a top paid woman and had a richer ex, and the ex had primary custody, would you really be making that point?

        He is not MAKING her give him money, the courts are.

        If she’s an inquisitive girl, she will probably wonder how her mother constantly wound up in bad situations with men, and how her, at the time, fiance had barely a mark on him while ‘defending’ himself, and why her father ended up beat into a swollen, broken mess.

        She might even wonder why her mothers boyfriend was involved in her exchange when it was supposed to have been done by a nanny.

        Or maybe she’ll wonder why her mother kept trying to take her away from a father that truly cared about her.

      • The Original Tiffany says:

        Erinn-SO MUCH YES!

        Bouncy-not so much. Hitting the crack pipe today, Halle?

      • Dap says:

        @bouncy: Nahla will already have all the answer to your questions since very obviously her mother would have passed the 10 or so last years reminding her how her biological daddy was a Gold-digger who had no interest in raising her -especially since she is “black” and Gabriel is racist.
        As for the money issue which seems to be so important for Halle’s supporters, please explain a few things to me: Why did Gabriel Aubry wait for one and a half year of bitter custody battle to ask for money, if that was his plan from the beginning? How much do you think the guy has already spent in legal fees? How is he supposed to defend himself in court against a woman willing to use 3 millions dollars to deprive him of his parental rights when he earns 500 000$ a year? Do you think the rich parents should always gain custody? Or just rich women? Or just rich woman named Halle Berry?

      • G says:

        The law requires in the event of a common law split with child, that the child’s lifestyle be maintained by both parties. She’s a gazillionaire, so she has to contribute from her end, to make both homes equitable. It’s not something Aubry wants. The child’s lifestyle with the father must match hers. If the genders were reversed, no one would even bring this up. But I guess it’s the only thing she’s got to smear Aubry with. Pathetic.

        People raise children just fine on much less. This isn’t new. Halle would have known all this going in.

      • emmie_a says:

        Bouncy, just curious – what is Gabriel’s ‘sketchy’ past? He is not the ‘best paid model in the world’, although he is (or used to be) one of the highest paid male models. And hopefully Nahla will never know that Olivier beat her dad with such vicious force that he was rendered unconscious and was not able to give his statement until days after the incident.

      • G says:

        More like she will wonder why her mother spent a couple of years and a few million dollars to separate her from an engaged and loving father? Maybe she’ll wonder why her mother stood by and allowed her new boyfriend to beat him to a bloody pulp and then smeared him in all the tabloids?

      • LAK says:

        In the rush to malign Gabriel, so much misinformation.

        In the past couple of days, TMZ has posted or copied or reported from court documents telling us that Gabriel and Halle have joint custody. Always have. Neither has primary custody as so many people believe which makes sense as to why Halle is always trying to strip his away, and the judge(s) have not seen any reason to change that 50/50 arrangement despite Halle’s many accusations.

        2. If we are to believe that Halle has spent $3M so far on this custody battle, how much do you think of Gabriel’s rumoured $5M has been spent to stop her attempts. She’s rumoured to be worth $70M, so she can run him into the ground financially speaking.

        3. People are contemptous of his asking for CHILD SUPPORT not alimony which he only asked for this year, granted in June, this year!!! If he has no right to ask because he should go out and work, then so does Linda Evangelista.

        4. Model money, especially male model modey, will never hit the heights of movie star money.

        5. Actually, few jobs in the world can match movie star money so really, everyone is a gold digger unless they are the lucky few to hold the golden jobs that pay better than movie star money.

        6. It’s amazing how many people insist on remembering unfounded accusations, that didn’t hold up under investigation by both CPS and the police, as the truth and gloss over the implications of the accuser’s motivations and pattern of behaviour in bringing making such. Unfounded accusations.

        7. Even if Halle is merely reporting to the court what others have told her, she’s on record, to Saint Oprah, as saying she doesn’t like to hear the truth. She just wants to be told what she wants to hear. Honesty was a surprise to her!! Unfortunately for Gabriel, she’s also got the motivation and money to act on what she hears, so if HER truth is that he is an abuser and a racist, and Olivier is a loving non violent sober person, then she’s going to act on that information in the way that we see.

        7. What has Gabriel ever said about her? They both claim to want to be with Nahla, yet Halle Berry is ACTIVELY trying to remove Gabriel and denigrate him while she is at it. Gabriel has never made accusations against her even though we know he could have. Mostly, he has kept his thoughts to himself and only publicised his desire to be with his daughter.

        8. BY HER ACTIONS and WORDS has Halle Berry found herself the subject of this international backlash. And even the courts don’t believe her and keep maintaining that 50/50 joint custody arrangement. She was the first one to go public with Gabriel’s alleged negative points.For months she was using tabloids to malign him whilst getting herself papped as the beach mother of the year. I do remember discussing this with a friend, saying how stupid of him to let her publicly malign him without answering back in the same way. When I first read this thread on CB, there was a similar thought, even if people were giving Halle the benefit of the doubt. I think it was around the time of the first abuse allegations that he finally wised up and started getting himself papped with Nahla, so people would see that they didn’t have an abusive relationship. His continuing pap shots are his defense against halle’s accusations in the court of public opinion.

        9. Given how slickly the post beatdown Halle machine has been, including Olivier suddenly requiring a bandaged hand as a reaction against THOSE PHOTOS, I am reminded that Halle fired her long term lawyer because he wasn’t getting the results she wanted in favour of a lawyer who is known for fighting dirty. Soon after the legal team switch, we had the paps at Nahla’s school gate set up which (surprise!) ended up being part of her expert testimonial for going to France. And now this…..

      • Elle Kaye says:

        Bouncy, the bottom line is that Aubry was brutally beaten by the boyfriend of Berry during a vicious custody battle that has raged on for years. That is unacceptable. He interfered in a custody arrangement, also unacceptable. The terms must be followed, and he did not.

        Berry can take Aubry to court all she wants. But she must learn to keep her boyfriend under control. If he cannot keep his tongue, and stay out of a court ordered situation, there will only be more problems for her.

      • bluhare says:

        LAK: Excellent point about Linda Evangelista. I was on Huffington Post the other night, and the Halle thread over there was filled with outrage (mostly from men) about GA getting $20K a month. I tried to point out it’s about equity not gender, but no one was having it.

      • Julie says:

        Care to elaborate on his “sketchy” past?

      • Josephina says:

        @ LAK–

        Newsflash and news for grown ups—

        When a relationship fails, it is due to BOTH parties. This “98% is not my fault but yours” is something that children say.

        Halle already has custody of her child, Gabriel is trying to maintain a relationship, hopefully, not mandated by court. But that apparently, is what is left. He needs to wisen up and quickly, and show the courts how he CAN get along with the mother and anyone else.

        Those of you who are spitting venom at Halle are not helping Gabriel at all. You would have to calm down to see what I am talking about. A judge worth his salt would MAKE THE PARENTS FIND A WAY TO GET ALONG, OR ELSE.

      • The Original Tiffany says:

        Show me where GA did not want to share custody and play along with Halle? SHe has instigated all the fckery in this and she alone. He has only fought to stay his daughter’s father. That is it. Get your facts straight.

        Where has he not done everything the crazy witch has asked of him? He even brought her home early on Thanksgiving even thought it was HIS holiday. This is not his fight, it is hers. He hasn’t lobbied to take the child to Canada. She has lobbied to take the kid away and cut the father out. He has never looked to do that.

        Don’t be ridiculous. It is all right there in the courts and news.

      • LAK says:

        @Josephine:

        1. I am not discussing who or what went wrong in the Gabriel/Halle relationship because I don’t know, wasn’t there, and that is NOT the issue at hand especially as this custody battle started, at least publicly, after their relationship broke up.

        2. You are wrong with regards custody. TMZ (Halle’s mouthpiece) reported over the last few days, based upon SWORN testimony decocumentation that Halle and Gabriel have JOINT custody.

        3. I understand that you are pro-Halle, but since you clearly don’t have a reasonable argument for your position please stop trying to deflect the conversation to a discourse on why Halle and Gabriel broke up and who was to blame.

      • bluhare says:

        I remember when all this started. Gabriel and Halle had an informal non legal agreement re Nahla. Something happened (not sure which), but GA thought Halle was going to start cutting him out so he went to asset his paternal rights by adding his name to the birth certificate.

        So all this because he wants to parent his child and be in her life. I can hear a lot of divorced parents wishing they had an ex who wanted the same.

      • Vesper says:

        @ Josephina;

        “Newsflash and news for grown ups—”

        Grown ups do their homework so that they don’t make inaccurate statements.

        “Halle already has custody of her child, Gabriel is trying to maintain a relationship, hopefully, not mandated by court. But that apparently, is what is left. ”

        Halle & Gabriel share physical and legal custody. Gabriel does not have to try to maintain a relationship. As Natalya’s father he has the legal right to have a relationship with his daughter that is equal to the right of Halle.

        “He needs to wisen up and quickly, and show the courts how he CAN get along with the mother and anyone else.”

        Wrong again. BOTH parents have to show the courts that they can get along. Mothers are no longer favoured by the system (thankfully). A parent who repeatedly tries to keep the other parent from having a relationship with their child is considered to be practicing parental alienation. Parental alientation is abhored by family law judges and when a judge loses patience with the offending party s/he will award full custody to the parent who is in danger of losing their child, for no other reason than the other parent wants to cut them out. In this scenerio, Halle is the one who needs to “wisen up” so that she doesn’t lose custody.

      • emmie_a says:

        Vesper: Great information.

        Josephina: To support Vesper’s comments about parental alienation: Actress Kelly Rutherford. She continually tried to keep her ex-husband away from his children and she lost custody of her children and they are now living in France.

    • LadidahBaby says:

      @LAK–brilliant, thoughtful post that should clarify the situation for the GA bashers–or anyway, for those who are actually interested in the truth. Thanks for the time you took to lay it all out like that.

      • Josephina says:

        @ Original Tiffany, LAK, Vesper, Emme (I hope I did not leave anyone out):

        YOU HAVE TO GET ALONG WITH THE MOTHER OF YOUR CHILD IN ORDER TO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHILD.

        Apparently, you think Gabriel’s choices are the best under these circusmtances and I simply do not agree. I have said this before, this is the wrong way to handle it. All he is doing is reacting. Reacting to Halle…reacting to Olivier (thank you to the poster who corrected me)– THAT is not a functional relationship. He needs to GET the relationship to a functional level with Halle AND MAINTAIN IT. The altercation is a symptom of a much bigger problem, not the problem itself. The BEST remedy is to get to a resolve where Halle/Gabe can speak to each other and trust each other enough with mutual respect for the good of their child. Why? Halle and Gabe will be in each other’s lives as long as Nahla is breathing, that’s why.

        Not for a second do I believe Gabe is the victim– he is a man who lost a fist fight. Next.

        Regardless of whatever stage of legal custody that has been agreed to, Halle has and has had dominant infuence over her daughter. If you cannot see this by now, well then,…

        Halle and Gabriel’s relationship reeks of disrespect, distrust, dishonor, and very little love, if any at all. No court can fix that. The court, at best, can only fix what lies above the surface– and I doubt in this case even that will be accomplished.

  15. G says:

    Once Gabe’s side gets done filing their criminal charges and the police make a report to the court, things will look very different on Thursday when they go back to family court for Martinez. Very, very different.

    Shawn Holley is Gabe’s criminal lawyer and she’s going to make mincemeat of this case. She’s a wizard behind the scenes as well.

  16. LadyMTL says:

    I think all of the adults involved have been acting like brats / nutjobs but I really feel sorry for Nahla. My parents divorced when I was young but they never got into fights and I can’t even imagine how confused (and possibly scared?) this little girl might be. At the end of the day, Gabriel is her father and he has rights, whether or not Olivier / Halle likes it.

    • The Other Katherine says:

      That was my original take on this back when the whole custody dispute began; but the longer this has gone on and the more information that has become available, the more I think that Halle is just plain nuts and that Gabriel is simply a committed, loving father who refuses to give up on parenting his little girl. I can’t look at the totality of the evidence publicly available to date and come to any other conclusion. Gabriel’s only fault in this seems to be underestimating Halle’s level of crazy and failing to anticipate and effectively deflect her smear campaigns. Basically, he’s tried to act like a good guy and not say nasty things in public about his daughter’s mother.

      Unfortunately, being a good guy will end in tears for you when you’re dealing with a vindictive, win-at-any-cost nutjob. And then you throw Martinez, who is a violent, entitled jackass, into the mix — shudder.

      Poor Nahla.

    • emmie_a says:

      A relative of mine is Halle-level of crazy and constantly creates chaotic situations. When people outside of the situation look in, they blame everyone involved for the chaos. What they don’t understand is that people like Halle thrive on chaos and suck everyone into their crazy web and try to make innocent people look crazy so they can justify their behavior.

      • The Other Katherine says:

        Been there, seen that. People can say “it takes two to tango”, but it only takes one crazy person to create a living hell when you have an entanglement with them that you can’t break.

      • emmie_a says:

        TOK: Exactly. And I think this is one of the main reasons why my heart goes out to Gabriel. He has been put in an extremely toxic situation through no fault of his own. It takes extreme energy to fight people like Halle. For my own mental well-being I gave up with my relative but he doesn’t have the option to give up with Nahla.

  17. Loulou says:

    It’s an interesting stand-off right now because if Gabriel goes to trial, Berry’s camera surveillance evidence from her stalker trial will show she deliberately moved the cameras before the attack. She could incriminate herself. And the scumbag Martinez. So bring it on.

  18. Talie says:

    I’m glad that Gabriel’s criminal charges will most likely be dropped and that will be one less piece of ammunition they can use against him. For godsakes, why they can’t just let function normally and let this man be a father is insane to me.

  19. valleymiss says:

    Even if Gabriel gets the restraining order dropped, I think he should only have phone contact with Nahla for now. For her to see her dad with black eyes and bruises will be terrifying. It’s bad enough that she’ll have access to all these photos and stories when she gets older. Seeing her daddy like that will give the poor little girl nightmares.

    This whole Berry Brawl 2012 is going to be a major PR disaster for Halle. What a massive backfire on HB and OM’s “plan.” Any blog that’s covering this, the comments from readers are overwhelmingly pro-Gabe and anti-Halle. Even a site like TMZ. Come on, Halle…the public isn’t stupid! Anyone with 2 working eyes can assess this situation and see what really happened and who was the aggressor, and the fact that the cameras were “repositioned” means Halle had a part in planning this. This isn’t just Olivier acting like a loose cannon. Halle clearly signed off on, or encouraged, Olivier’s attack.

    • Boxy Lady says:

      Valleymiss, I was thinking this as well. They probably want to keep Gabriel away from Nahla so that his face can heal up and no one has to explain anything. Poor kid.

    • Dani says:

      I know it makes me sound horrible, but I actually hope she DOES see her father all bruised and battered, so she can finally start to realize what’s happening instead of her mother most likely brainwashing her.

      • bluhare says:

        She’s only four. If his face makes adults blanche, imagine what it would do to his four year old daughter. Yes, he would tell her he’s OK, but she’ll see that face for a long time.

      • Catty says:

        Nahla should not see her father in that state – she is very young and would be traumatized. My Dad had a fistfight when I was about 10. I came home from dinner and he was laying on the couch with ice on his black eye. I am now 48 and I still remember it clearly and still remember how upset I was – I couldn’t stop crying. I understand how you feel – this drama has most people furious but you have to think about the child. God knows what this child hears and sees living with her crazy mother and violent, obnoxious boyfriend.

      • Blue Cat says:

        I agree. 4 year old are very inquisitive and are not as neive as adults think they are. NY Post reported that in GA’s deposition, Nahla saw OM in the driveway and said, “Olivier’s here. I’m scared.” GA said she got very anxious and upset and GA reassured her that everything is OK. I would be willing to bet that Nahla overheard HB and OM talking about their plan or something equally fckdup. Why else would a 4 year old say that? CPS will get the answers to that. A child doesn’t just come up and say something like that. And at this point, I highly doubt GA would make that up.

    • the original bellaluna says:

      I really torn on this. On the one hand, I think it would be horrifying for a child to see their parent in this condition; on the other, I don’t think it’s fair to Nahla to deny her access to her father based on a beating from her mother’s fiance.

      The bottom line is: Kids aren’t stupid. They intuit things, and they have a seriously uncanny ability to figure out what’s going on/what happened regarding their separated parents.

      • Elle Kaye says:

        I believe she saw the fight starting, so she knows something happened. How much she saw is anyone’s guess. I saw someone attack my brother when I was five and he was 16, and I can still see those images. It affects you. Children should not witness that type of brutality. If Martinez did this once in front of her, who is to say he won’t do this again when he gets angry. Say…at the paparazzi?

      • the original bellaluna says:

        Oh, Elle, I’m so sorry. I truly believe Nahla loves her daddy, and knows something is very wrong.

        I feel for that little girl. (When my oldest realised his “daddy” was a lying cheating POS, it was DEVASTATING to him. And he was only 8. There is no way to prepare a child for that. No matter how hard we try to shield them from the truth, they know.)

      • The Other Katherine says:

        If she knows that *something* happened to her daddy, it might be a relief to see that he’s basically OK (i.e., he can walk and smile and hug her), even if his face still looks kind of messed up. Based on my experience of having a similar black eye (from an ice skating accident), the swelling has probably gone down some by now. Kids are good at getting past appearances once they have an opportunity to look at things closely and ask questions.

        Doesn’t stop the situation from sucking big-time, though.

  20. Marianne says:

    I honestly believe it was a set up from Halle and Olivier. The cameras were conveniently re-positioned that day. And look at the injuries. Gabriel’s whole face is battered and bruised, while Olivier damaged his hand (obviously from punching in Gabriel’s face). Not too mention, that they recently lost at court over the whole moving to France thing.

    Even if Gabriel did start the fight, Olivier shouldn’t have continued to beat the crap out of Gabriel, especially while Nahla was present. I hope Gabriel gets custody.

  21. serena says:

    God, she’s crazy. The judge should give Nahla to Gabriel (not loving this idea but I think he’s the best among those 3 fools) and let Halle in some mental facility.

  22. Ellie66 says:

    How can Oliver make a citizens arrest is he a citizen of the US? I thought he was French. Every relationship Halle has seems to go bad so you know Oliver will get bored with all the BS and go back to France. He seems like a asshole! Gabe hopefully will get to see his daughter and the Judge will see that Oliver and Halle set him up.

    • badrockandroll says:

      With respect to arrests, “citizen” doesn’t refer to nationality, it means layman, as opposed to military or police arrest. Once the citizen passes the person over to the police, it’s up to the police to decide if criminal charges should be laid, and if so, that the charged person’s rights are respected. I don’t know how long GA was in OM’s custody before the police arrived, but often counter-charges are laid by the person detained against the arrester/detainer for unlawful force (more than the situation required)or unlawful detention/kidnapping. Things that I am sure GA is sorting out, even though the police were quick (too quick imo) in detaining and charging him.

      • EscapedConvent says:

        Not to mention that being possibly knocked unconscious was a hell of a way for Aubry to be in Martinez’ custody! That’s some nerve on Martinez—to interfere with custody handover arrangements, punch the hell out of Aubry & then “citizen arrest” him.

        I was disgusted that the police arrested Aubry. If anyone was going to be arrested, it should have been the person doing all the hitting. I hope it’s true that this will be dropped against Aubry, & that the truth will prevail.

  23. judyjudy says:

    This story gives me a headache with all the back and forth. I think I’ll stay away from it for a bit.

  24. Dea says:

    Gabriel not only should file charges against Oliver for assault but also aganist the police. There is a lot of wrong things done on him by the police. I wish Oliver will be charged and deported. He is a danger to Nahla, period.
    As to the existence of the camera that night the lame explanation is: there was no camera becasuse it was repositioned since a year ago when Halle was being stalked Does Hally really think she can fool the justice. If you read all people’s comments on tmz and rol they are saying that Halle and Oliver totally are playing with law. The common sense is that someone who is being stalked would add cameras for protction not reposition them against the main door . They are both despicable and I hope for the sale of Nahla that Halle will loose custody sooner rather than later.

    • TG says:

      I agree too. I think the police are in on this and being paid off. Remember Halle and her lawyer have friends in high places and we know for a fact that the LAPD are not known for their honesty and integrity. I read a fascinating article in Vanity Fair this summer about a murder that happened and it turned into a cold case for like 20 years and it turned out it was a female detective in the department. It was an obvious cover up. The victim’s family even mentioned the female detective and they never once checked into it. Then conveniently when DNA evidence became popular the evidence from the file disappeared. What a coincidence? Sort of like Halle’s surveillance cameras being conveniently repositioned so as not to catch the setup. The article was not written to necessarily show there was a cover-up but it was so obvious from reading it. Fortunately, there are a few good ones in the group and they eventually uncovered the crime and sent that woman to prison. I guess if HB and her lawyer can’t buy off a judge they will buy off the police.

  25. Isa says:

    Gab should get at least supervised visits until this whole thing is sorted out. He doesn’t even have to be in contact with Halle or Oliver. He can hire someone to pick her up.

  26. truthful says:

    Poor Nahla will read about ONE of her mother’s boyfriends/fiancees beating her dad up at her mom’s home.

    and she will see the pics

    Halle is unstable and vindictive.
    Lil man is a boozing, arrogant drunk.

    Halle acts as if HE is the dad, she is so dramatic and over the top in her life BUT drab as hell at her acting on screen.

    Her PR folks are worried, they are now showing SHORTY, out and about w/friends for dinner–smiling like he is not violent.

    WE ARE NOT BUYING IT!

  27. Madpoe says:

    I feel bad for Gabe (and of course the baby). A burned man is a hard man to love, feel bad for the next woman that comes into his life and has to deal with his Halle baggage.

  28. Dani says:

    I wonder if Halle at all considers how her daughter might eventually feel about her when she gets older. The girl loves her father, period dot. Even if she does get up and leave to some country, Gabe will fight for her and she’ll grow to love him more and resent her mother. Kids might be naive but they know who to love and who truly loves them. The fact that Halle allows her daughter to be near a man who can cause so much damage should be a red alert to authorities. My heart breaks for the little girl.

  29. Joyce says:

    My take is that Halle desperately want sole custody of Nahla so she stir up this crap to make GA looks the bad guy. Why would GA make trouble when he knows the court can hand over Nahla to Halle permanently? Halle is piss because it cost her 3mil in legal fee plus monthly child support for GA. Do you really think she wouldn’t let GA get away with this, oh no. What Halle wants Halle gets.

  30. mazzystar says:

    Here’s what the sensible mother would do- until the emergency restraining orders & visitation hearings are dealt with, she should have Olivier move out of her home. Even if it’s temporary & for show, she must send the message to the public/judge, but especially her daughter, that violence in a child’s presence is NOT acceptable, period.

    But we know that won’t happen.
    Halle Berry has lived one cycle of violence after another & I’m sure she thinks this situation is perfectly OK. (And I’m being generous here in assuming it wasn’t a setup as some are suggesting.)

    • LadyMTL says:

      I don’t think it was a setup but there’s definitely some fishy doings going on there. I’m with you when you say that Olivier should move out for the time being but yeah, I don’t see that happening. Halle strikes me as the type of woman who always needs a man around, no matter how aggressive / unstable / etc they might be.

    • Cazzie says:

      Halle Berry looks so angry and vindictive in photos taken in the last fews days it is frightening. I am starting to think that it is HB with the anger problems, and that the men in her life are just an indicator – a reflection of her own issues.

      Are we sure Nahla isn’t being subjected to her mother’s narcissistic rages on a terrifying, unpredictable basis?

  31. Lucky Charm says:

    What I don’t understand is, why hasn’t CPS temporarily removed Nahla from Halle’s home? Even as the courts are trying to straighten everything out, there is NO denying that Olivier is a violent person that has no business being around the child. I hope that when the dust on this settles Gabriel gets full custody, Olivier is charged with felony assault, deported and banned from the U.S., and Halle is required to get therapy & take parenting classes.

    • Izzy4ya says:

      If children were removed every time a parent got into a fight, half the kids in the US would be in foster care right now. Some of ya’ll are so irrational and dramatic. You can tell from photos that she loves Gabe more than Halle?!?! LMAO. My mother said something years ago that is so true, women do 80% of the work and get 30% of the credit, even from their own kids. Children always look more excited around people they see less, that is no indication of who they love more or who parents them better. There are no winners in this situation (least of all Nahla), and I don’t think it’s right or sensible to try to take the child to France, but all this Gabe worshipping is pathetic. WHO KNOWS what he says or does when he’s not looking like a wet puppy, garnering sympathy in public.

      • Lucky Charm says:

        I didn’t say anything at all about Nahla loving her dad more than her mom based on photos. But is it really in Nahla’s best interest to remain in a home where her mother’s fiance is also living and he’s proven to be a very violent person? Most injuries/deaths of children are caused by the mother’s boyfriend (or the father’s girlfriend) and Olivier already has a history of abuse, not just this incident. Looking from a third-party viewpoint, I think it would be better for Nahla NOT to be around Olivier at this point. Since Halle is obviously OK with her new man beating the crap out of her daughter’s father, that should raise a red flag to CPS.

      • Julie says:

        Gabe worshipping? It’s called common sense.

      • Kate says:

        He has 50% time with Nahla. He’s not a weekend parent, he cares for her the same amount of time her mom does. Sorry, but I think you’re being sexist. And I say that as the primary carer of my own kid.

      • Liv says:

        What has Lucky Charm to do with that? :-D

      • Kate (newer one) says:

        Edited: sorry, replied because I got confused by reply thread buttons. (Makes following a conversation hard sometimes – you don’t know who is talking to whom after a certain point.)

      • Vesper says:

        Oliver is not Natalya’s father, or even step-father, so the courts can do something about this particular situation. They can prohibit Oliver from having any contact with Natalya, and since he lives with her mother, something has to change.

      • Vesper says:

        I read quite a few references in yesterday’s thread that Gabriel is not very smart, lazy, and shady. I’m curious as to how people came to that conclusion?

        Gabriel is (or was) considered one of the 10 top earning male models in the world. He has worked in the industry for more than 10 years and has represented some of the biggest names in fashion. His reputation in the industry is, apparently, flawless. Various net worth sites indicate he is worth $4 million. While he was involved with Halle he ran a restaurant in a trendy area in Manhattan. He has released a record, which he produced. He is a avid golfer who plays in celebrity tournaments. He did all this by the time he was 35 years of age (or so). What is so shady about his history?

        Yes, he has eased up on the modeling. Many modelling gigs are short term and it would be extremely difficult for a model to work while sharing 50/50 custody with an inflexible and intolerant ex-partner who is looking for any excuse to cut them from their child’s life. Gabriel used to do a lot of modelling in Europe. Do u really think Halle is going to cut him any slack if he has to rearrange visits due to his work schedule?

    • Lulu says:

      Because that would be just adding damage to damage. Despite all of her mother’s short comings, she is still Nahla’s mother, and Nahla is a very young child who saw a terrifying thing happen to her father. The worst thing for her right now is to be taken from her home on top of everything else. I DO think Olivier should be ordered to stay away from her until this can be sorted out.

  32. LeeLoo says:

    Now, I totally believe Halle to be batty and crazy but has anyone else noticed things were fine between Gabe and Halle UNTIL Olivier came into the picture? Knowing Halle’s penchant for controlling and abusive men is it possible that this is more than JUST Halle? That is not to excuse Halle’s own behavior in this and I can see how she is perfectly okay with this plan. But this whole incident and Gabe’s side of the story (which I totally believe), suggests Olivier is obsessed with cutting Gabe out of Nahla and Halle’s life. Is it because of the lies Halle told him? Is it because he wants to move to France badly? I don’t know but I think he has more to do with Halle’s venom towards Gabriel at this point than Halle does.

    • TG says:

      I hear what you are saying, but I think Halle’s relationship with Oliver was a setup from the beginning and notice she conveniently got engaged when it would help her court case be more legitimate? I mean a judge isn’t going to look kindly on someone wanting to go live with their boyfriend in France but a fiancé, with intentions to get married, now that is another thing. I also do not believe she will marry Olivier unless it becomes a necessary strategy to abscond with Gabriel’s daughter. This woman is vile and evil and I hate her and Olivier. Ever since this custody dispute happened I have not watched anything she is in nor will I in the future and will not buy any products endorsed by her. That is why I won’t see the Tom Hanks film. I like Tom Hanks but not if it means supporting a woman who is trying to steal her daughter away from her father, and will stop at nothing including murder.

    • Kate says:

      I really, really hope you’re right. Because if you are, there may be more hope that this situation could calm down if Martinez is out of the picture. And that has got to be to Nahla’s benefit.

  33. Dawn says:

    This really is an ugly story. I don’t think that Halle or Oliver is done scheming yet to rid themselves of Gabe. And who knows how they will poison Nahla against her father. I remember back in the day when Yoko Ono’s first husband took her daughter and disappeared. She and John Lennon poured millions into trying to find her and they never did. As it turns out he brought her to Texas and joined an Evangelic church and that is where he raised her. She wants absolutely nothing to do with Yoko or Sean. So I think that this could turn out bad for Gabe and at the end of the day if Halle gets her way, Nahla will believe her mother’s words and hate her father for made up sins. I actually see Halle running away with Nahla until she and Ollie boy break up down the road and then once again she will play the victim. Some day a movie will be made about how batshit crazy this woman is because I am sure we don’t know the half of it.

  34. BLOGAHOLIC says:

    Ohhh poor angel Gabriel. Saint Gabriel , mr perfection, ahhh your poor pretty face 😩

  35. Jane says:

    I put this all on Halle. She knew OM was going to say something to GA and she knew there would be drama when he did. She could have told OM to stay out of it, but that would be too mature, independent and fair minded. That would be putting her daughter first, instead of herself.

    Instead she let this guy speak for her and hid behind his “macho” act. She doesn’t seem to be all that concerned about how out of control her lover got. I guess she doesn’t think he could get out of control with her if she made him mad enough.

    Seeing how OM over reacted should have been a warning sign to her, but I think she is too consumed with revenge concerning GA to realize she has a time bomb on her hands.

  36. Mazunte says:

    I find that kid absolutely gorgeous. She’s a mini Gabriel with olive skin. So exotic and cute!

    I wonder how Gabriel is going to pay off this extremely expensive legal fight. He won’t be able to work for months now and he might be sinking in debts already. The money Halle is (or was) giving him will just help a bit.

    I don’t like to read comment blaming and insulting Halle. What evidence there is that she is such a bad person. She has done some mistakes, but who didn’t? She is selfish by wanting to take the girl to Paris, for sure, but the insults have gone too far.
    Besides, her daughter may have access to these comments in the future, and they will harm her.

    However, Olivier’s smirk after the extreme violence he used against Gabriel show what a huge douchebag and possible danger he is. Halle should kick him out of the house, asap.

    • bluhare says:

      Halle has been ordered to pay Aubry’s legal fees in the fight. He doesn’t have her resources. I suspect that’s why Olivier is so angry about the $3 million. Some of that was for Gabriel.

      I can understand why HB and OM are angry about that. But they have a choice here. They could try to negotiate a settlement and avoid all the legalities.

      • Mazunte says:

        Thank you for the clarification. I think it’s fair she is paying. But, for sure that might have infuriated her and Olivier a lot.

        But, anyway, many people comment that Gabriel is greedy, and it is possible that he might have seen some $ when he got involved with her. But this Olivier doesn’t seem better. He has not been in many movies.

        I find it fair there is a financial settlement if they share custody, because that is what happens when the father makes more money than the mother. The one who makes more money pays.

      • EscapedConvent says:

        Not much point in their being angry & bitter about paying legal fees when Berry’s manipulation & skullduggery are the reason for the legal fees. Berry & Aubry had joint custody. Berry could have left that alone. BAM! No legal fees, no court costs, no 3 million dollars spent, for what exactly?

        She started the merry-go-round of court appearances, legal fees, court costs, etc. & Martinez has some nerve acting like he spent *his* money on Aubry! Whiny little poser. Sorry, I meant *poseur*.

    • The Original Tiffany says:

      Here you go. This article by People no less, talks about Halle’s TWO at least hit and runs, how brutal the accident was and how Halle confessed to the accident in the ER avoiding a felony but because Ia m sure she HAD to seek medical care for a 22 stitch wound. If she hadn’t been wounded would she have reported it?

      http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20130974,00.html

      Also, look at Halle’s past, her admitted history with men and accusing them of abuse, every one of them and her paper trail in court and in the media about her taking GA to court over the last tow years, not to mention leaving him off the birth certificate.

    • emma says:

      I can’t wait for her to grow up. She’ll definitely have the looks… hopefully not the crazy.

  37. HannahF says:

    To clarify things from upthread:

    I agree that the “ex-wife” mention was probably a clerical error.

    Assuming no marriage there would be no spousal support–our fancy name for alimony. Palimony if they had an agreement about him not working, etc. It’s kinda complex.

    Child support is a mathematical formula based in part on the income of each parent and percentage of time kid spends with each parent are among the numbers plugged into the equation. Google Cali Family code section 4055 it is a crazy looking formula.

    GA A. can request that HB pay his arty fees. IIRC, he did that in his RO motion against OM

    I’ve been saying the whole time we don’t have all the facts and have not agreed or disagreed with any theories. But consider this: under cali law custody is based upon the best interests of the child. Domestic violence is detrimental to a kid’s best interests. If there is an RO against a parent there is a rebuttable presumption that the perpetrator should not have custody. (Custody not same thing as visitation)

  38. hillbillyinthecorner says:

    GABE’S NO angel….but if you want to go that route…..of who’s dirtier …Hallie would win hands down……He hasn’t opened his mouth yet……and Hallie can’t shut hers…..He is not the aggressor here >>>She is…..
    Basically Hallie got her she wanted a pretty baby and didn’t even put his name of the birth certiftcate until forced to that tells you right there she was not going to share…….
    And she has been trying to get the man out of her baby’s life ever sense then……Now I think she and her French Pit bull went to far….Oliver had no right what so ever in even being in the area of the child exchange…that was interference no matter how you cut it….and even if Gabe pushed him …and frankly if I had a that nasty face get up into mine I would push him off to…or even slap him…he went way over defending himself …He bet the hell out of the man ..look at that mans face…he was beaten by someone who was hell bent on doing damage…..and she has the nerve to walk in a hearing and say Audrey in violent and a danger….Look at the Pitt bull standing next to you Halle thats the one you need to worry about….

  39. blonde on the dock says:

    I think the little girl will always love her parents unconditionally no matter what. But she wont ever trust this Olivier guy ever!!!! Not after this mess. Doesn’t matter who was in the right or wrong. Gabriel is her Dad and Olivier hit him.

  40. Dee says:

    Since it’s been said many times by Halle supporters that anyone who supports Gabe does so just because he is handsome, can I then ask if many of these Halle supporters are on her side simply because they are also black women?

    • cloud&feather says:

      What?

      Why do you think many Halle supporters are black women? How do you know the people who (seem to) think Gabe can do no wrong because he’s handsome don’t comprise any black women?

      Much as I can’t get my head around it (at ALL), the woman does technically have fans. ETA: That doesn’t mean they’re all black women and even if some are, that doesn’t mean they’d take her side in something because they’re both black.

      Help me understand.

    • emma says:

      I’m on Gabe’s side and I don’t think he’s all that handsome.
      But I see your point that people shouldn’t choose sides based on looks & people shouldn’t denounce others for having a differing viewpoint. It’s like how idiots* said Colin Powell supported Barack Obama because he’s black.
      If it were that way, I would definitely be on Halle’s side. I love her acting, she’s beautiful, I have her perfume, and she’s from Cleveland (represent!)

    • Catty says:

      Sorry guys but I have also noticed the few who defend Halle regardless of the facts have been quite a few black women. And it has been quite apparent for many years that a good number of black people defend someone just because that person is also black – OJ Simpson and Michael Jackson anyone??

    • giddy says:

      …bingo… but being “black” is no longer a teflon shield… her azz is done…

      • Y says:

        I am black and I do think Gabriel was set- up. Currently, living in France and OM is, in fact, an azz. The U.S. is always going on targets due to race, yet you need to look at the evidence. For me OJ was guilt, that said the white Midwesten kid who killed this parents and sister is in a cumfy psy.hospital whilst the Hispanic kid, who at 13, kill his brother, is in prison without parole for life. Funny how things are never black or white

      • Y says:

        I am black and I do think Gabriel was set- up. Currently, living in France and OM is, in fact, an azz. The U.S. is always going on targets due to race, yet you need to look at the evidence. For me OJ was guilt, that said the white Midwesten kid who killed this parents and sister is in a comfortable psy.hospital whilst the Hispanic kid, who at 13, kill his brother, is in prison without parole for life. Funny how things are never black or white

  41. skuddles says:

    Actually I think Berry’s “nuclear option” would be to hire a hitman. The beatdown by Martinez proves she has no compunction whatsoever about inflicting serious physical harm on Aubry. She was, of course, in on the set up – how else could Martinez have known for certain that security cameras wouldn’t capture the fight unless they worked out that detail together? Plus they would have planned for Martinez to meet Gabe at the door when he dropped off Nahla. This psychotic bitch is in it to win it.

  42. Keenerkids says:

    Halle is going too far with this – its all a plot! Leave this guy alone, you silly &^%$#

  43. anne_000 says:

    Halle has millions and could afford security guards to protect her from Gabriel or ask the court for an intermediate to do the transfer of Nahla, if she had truly thought Gabriel was a violent, dangerous person, but apparently she hasn’t. Why not? Why allow Oliver to get involved in this, when all it was was a handover of the child. Why was Oliver out there in the first place anyways?

    Imo, if Halle is a responsible parent, then she would have and could have made handovers as peaceful as possible. But imo it seems like she didn’t, possibly because she enjoys messy situations. It seems to me as if Gabriel’s wounds were defensive & Oliver’s were offensive.

  44. Jason says:

    Innocent Fair Prince Gabriel and the evil black witch!

    • Lulu says:

      Trying to turn this into a racial arguement?

      Halle has lost in the court of public opinion once and for all except for a few die hard irrational fans. I feel a horrified kind of sympathy for her in the same way I feel sympathy for any sick minded person, but I feel even MORE sorry for her victims, especially children.

    • the original bellaluna says:

      I want this racial shit to stop, right now. I addressed this is in one of yesterday’s posts, and I don’t care to do it again here.

      Wrong is wrong, no matter what colour the perpetrator, PERIOD, FULL STOP, END OF SENTENCE.

      Got it?

      • TG says:

        @the original bellaluna – Agree 100% If people want to be racist or bring up stupid racial arguments than go to TMZ or other sites where they will fit in but this site is not the place. I keep coming back here because you get sensible reasonable people discussing things. The people on here use reason based on public knowledge, and private if they have it. I rarely ever see someone supporting a celeb’s actions based on race or gender.

      • EscapedConvent says:

        I agree. It’s so tedious. Read the comments long enough & you’ll see it—that one commenter who’s decided any situation is racial. This time, though, I got almost to the end of the comment section before seeing it. That was nice.

    • Kate (newer one) says:

      Kelly Rutherford is white. She’s also a woman who tried to steal her children’s father from them without cause, and went even further than Berry has in that attempt. I don’t have the words for how horrifying, sick and wrong that is, but the judge reallocating sole physical custody to the dad apparently felt actions spoke louder. Charlie Sheen is a disgusting excuse for a father, too (and he could have a nice sit-down with Chris Brown on their shared attitude to women).

      This is not about race, nor gender. It’s about what a parent owes their kid. I don’t really care so much about what adults do to one another in emotional terms, which is why I’ve found it hard to get on the Kristen Stewart hate train, but when parents and kids are at question? Hell yes.

    • Catty says:

      And you Jason have seemed to forget the fact that Halle is half white. I don’t know why some people do this – same with the President – people describe him as a black man. I don’t – I see both of them as biracial. And thanks for proving my point above that many black people take another black person’s side regardless of the facts simply because they are black. And that, Jason, is racist.

      • Zoe says:

        Catty, how do you know what color Jasons skin is? You are assuming he is black because he made that comment. Sorry to say but you are a bit over eager to blame his comment on black people. Isnt that a bit racist of you too? And before you accuse me of being any color. I am mixed raced like halle and i dont support halle or gabriel for that matter. I only feel sorry for this child thats caught up in this.

  45. emma says:

    I don’t think Gabriel is that innocent, but he’s really getting the shaft in this. How could they make the argument that he is violent when, even IF he instigated the fight, he was obviously the more injured one. In the pictures, Oliver’s only injury is to his hand. Self defense should not count for pummeling someone into the ground.
    Nahla seems to like her father too, Halle should just be considering her feelings. All this battling will negatively affect her.

  46. lena80 says:

    So Gabe is being represented by Lindsay Lohan’s attorney, for the most part has gotten her off pretty lightly in her never ending cases…and people are cheering that she is now representing Gabe? I wish the tape showed what happened and I’m still not going to condemn Halle for two GROWN men actions, Gabe even more so because Nahla is his daughter.

    • Kate (newer one) says:

      I don’t think having a good lawyer is evidence of guilt. It’s evidence of common sense.

      Agree that Martinez should own his own actions, though. I despise Berry (as I do Rutherford) for trying to deprive her kid of a father, but she wasn’t the one who inflicted those injuries. It isn’t reasonable to blame her for them.

      • TG says:

        @Kate – Halle is still with that violent demon Olivier that man who tried to kill the father of her daughter. Olivier by his own admission started the fight by coming up to Gabe saying we need to move on. He had no business inserting himself in anything regarding Gabriel’s daughter. If he wanted to discuss custody issues with Gabe he should have made a call to his lawyer and requested it and it would be up to Gabe to agree to a talk at a neutral location. This was a setup. Halle is to blame. I can’t stand these two vile evil people. She and oliver are monsters.

      • Kate (newer one) says:

        I despise Berry for what she’s already done, in seeking to remove Aubrey from Nahla’s life. I also agree that it looks sketchy – why was Martinez there at all for the handover? But the fact is a set-up is speculation. We don’t know. And I’m not comfortable with claiming speculative guesswork as definite fact.

    • lena80 says:

      You are right Kate, but her list of clients she has represented are just so side eye worthy so, not going to lie, I automatically lumped Gabe in with the rest of them. This woman is know for representing some shady characters…just google it… if you are interested of course :-)

      • Kate (newer one) says:

        Any criminal lawyer will have a long list of side-eye-worthy clients. It’s the territory. But they will also represent a ton of innocent people. Also the territory.

        You can’t judge a person’s guilt or innocence by their lawyer. A highly regarded one will end up with a lot of celebrity clients, and when they’re a criminal lawyer, those clients will be the ones who ended up in very hot legal water, so the sample is extremely skewed. It doesn’t mean they only represent the guilty. Any criminal lawyer will represent an awful lot of dodgy characters by the very nature of their professional field, the only difference is that several of this practitioner’s clients are famous, and so you know what they did or were accused of doing. A less prestigious one would have just as many dodgy clients. You just wouldn’t know about them.

        Also worth pointing out that Aubrey is not facing charges.

  47. Aqua says:

    I feel sorry for the little girl who is in the middle of this mess.She will probably have trust/relationship issues when she gets older.All the so called adults in this situation need to grow up and stop all of this nonsense and remember that this sweet little girl needs and loves both of her parents.I’m surprised that a court appointed third party was not arranged earlier to do the picking up and dropping off of the little girl if things are/ were this contentious between everyone.

  48. nicaw says:

    I hope the judge asks where was the nanny and/or housekeeper for the drop-off. I would say that if there was someone there for the hand off of the child, this wouldn’t have happened. Someone is wrong (probably Halle) in not making sure this was in place.

  49. TG says:

    After reading the latest TMZ article that states the police confirm that they recommended Halle “reposition” her cameras I am now 100% convinced this was a setup and the police are a part of it. How convenient that they are backing up this story. No one with that amount of money and that concerned with their security would decide not to have security cameras capturing activity on their driveway into their home. What a load of crock. We need an outside investigation the police, halle’s lawyer and her thug and herself need to be investigated ASAP.

    • emmie_a says:

      I just read a TMZ article about the police report and it’s such a joke.
      1. The police call Olivier the ‘victim’ (I know it’s because Gabriel is considered the ‘suspect’ – but still — Olivier is no victim!)
      2. The police concluded Olivier was defending himself. “Victim defended himself and punched the suspect.” How can they describe what happened to Gabriel’s face as a simple punch??
      3. It was concluded the brawl was “mutual combat”
      The article also mentioned that Gabriel didn’t tell the police about Olivier’s death threats. Yes, because his head had just been bashed on the concrete.
      Grrrrr.

    • PleaseICU says:

      How this situation went down (the repositioning of the cameras, the fact he thought to make a citizens arrest, etc), the lack of specificity in the police report gets infinitely more shady when looked at in the context of Halle’s security team is supposedly a bunch of off duty LAPD officers.

  50. Blue Cat says:

    My ex and I were involved in a very ugly custody dispute a couple years ago over our daughter. He was unable to be civil during our custody exchanges and was very verbally abusive so I started tape recording every single time we had a drop-off/pick-up. It was tedious as heck but if crap ever went down, it was all documented. I had to inform him every single time that I was recording the conversation and I legally had to tell him. After about a year of doing that he started acting like a normal human being so I stopped recording. Our daughter is 2 now and everything is fine and dandy!!! I highly recommend recording and documenting the dropoffs if you’re dealing with a psycho ex. Poor Gabriel and Nahla :( OM should be behind bars!!! In the US, if you’re a trained boxer your hands are considered lethal weapons so GA should definitely press charges. He needs to file a RO for Nahla against OM too!!

  51. TG says:

    @Kate (newer one) – You are right we don’t know for a fact if it was a setup, but the instant I saw the news that is what I thought and all that is coming out of this leads me to believe that is the case and I am not alone. Seems nearly everyone else on this site and others thinks the same thing. I know what you are saying none of us know the facts but I am not giving HB and her thug the benefit of the doubt. They don’t deserve it.

    • Greta says:

      Celebrities like Halle Berry benefit from their fame with the police. Thanksgiving Day morning a distraught Halle and her handsome French boyfriend explain to the police the story with all the trimmings. Gabriel, who by that point was conscious, could hardly represent himself after having his face and brains rearranged by a man who knew exactly the strength of his blows–a boxer (with a pinky ring on).
      The Hollywood star factor along with Halle being black makes will allow her to skate through this with only some visits to lawyers, chats with CPS and therapists…but she’ll never pay for this crime against her child’s beloved father.
      If I wanted to get Freudian, I’d suggest she is taking her rage at her own father out on Gabriel. People with her mental disorder project cannot see the other person as separate from their fantasy projection. To her, unless she’s forced to get good help,and held accountable, Gabriel will forever be the bad guy. That’s the kind of person who succeeds in acting: people who are good at make believe. Not all, maybe not even most, but she should get the Honorary Oscar for this performance….but maybe she’ll do the right thing…I am going to hold out hope that the good mother she wants to be will make some changes!

  52. Blue Cat says:

    If HB is going nuclear over this, just imagine how she’ll react once GA starts dating again, gets married and has more children… And to ya’ll saying GA dated Kim K, they were seen once at a Lakers game sitting next to each other. I’d hardly consider that “dating.”

  53. LadidahBaby says:

    I’m a second-generation Southern Californian and have spent a lot of my life in LA, and I’ve gotta say: I am absolutely sick (and heartsick) tonight about this truly shocking travesty of justice.

    It’s so obvious that this is a lopsided brand of law enforcement, and it’s clear that the bigger the celebrity one is, the easier it becomes to get a pass from the LAPD. Any idiot could look at the evidence and possible motives of the principals involved and see that Aubry isn’t the aggressor: he has NO offensive marks on his hands, he has at least one broken rib, and his face and eyes are beaten to a pulp–it’s even possible he will be scarred so badly from this brutal beatdown that his livelihood may be ruined for the rest of his life. On the other hand (literally), OM has no visible damage except that his hand is BROKEN from repeatedly battering Aubry’s face in a case of such overkill that there is no interpretation possible to a rational person but RAGE.

    And what about motive? Olivier and Halle had plenty of motive, having lost their case (and according to OM, $3M fighting it); Gabriel is all that stands in the way of their plan to move to France with Gabriel’s daughter. On the other hand, Gabriel had NO motive at ALL for starting trouble with either of them–he’d just WON the damn case! And after all that Halle has put him through in the past two years, why the F would he risk losing custody of his precious daughter by getting himself in the middle of an altercation like that?…unless Martinez jumped him, as he says Martinez did. Indeed, Aubry had every motivation to stay out of trouble with Martinez and Berry!

    And as to witnesses: the witnesses against Aubry are “Halle Berry and her nanny”?!? (Mind you, this is the nanny who had been tapped by the court to be the go-between when Gabriel dropped Nahla off at Berry’s place…and yet the nanny is now the witness against Aubry, so clearly she was present when he arrived with Nahla, but she did NOT go out to fetch Nahla from Aubry as they had agreed…instead, Martinez ran outside and began telling Aubry that he needed to “move on”…meaning, I guess, move on from his flesh-and-blood little daughter and just let them take her away with them. And the CC film that could have also been a kind of witness and vindicated Aubry–who begged the LAPD to get it before something “happened” to it–is oddly non-existent because Halle DID NOT HAVE CAMERAS TRAINED ON HER FRONT DOOR, FRONT WALK, AND DRIVEWAY…even as paranoid as she is and as frightened as she has been of the stalker situation, she now says cops told her to turn her “one” security camera to the fence. But Gabriel says she had several cameras when he lived with her, NOT just one. Now though, she’s officially got just one. Though she’s so intimidated by stalkers and papparazzi, she has actually DOWNGRADED her security system to one camera! And the LAPD–who are hired as her off-duty security team (no conflict of interest THERE, oh no) are backing her up: yes indeed, they say they TOLD her not to bother with cameras on her front walk, front door, and driveway.

    Jaysus, this is the worst case of celebrity justice I have EVER seen. At least in the OJ case they arrested him and the court system attempted to get justice for his victims. Nowadays there is NO law in LA, just ass-kissing if you’re a celebrity and jail if you’re not. Even if your face is bashed in, your ribs broken, and you’ve been knocked unconscious, while your attacker has NO wounds but offensive ones. The cops are taking the word of a brutal a-hole former-boxer who called the cops BEFORE the fight began and then made a citizen’s arrest of the battered Aubry when cops arrived. Clockwork. It worked like clockwork, their little plan. A Clockwork Orange.

    I honestly feel sick tonight after reading that Gabriel Aubry is now officially being blamed as the aggressor, and the LAPD’s witnesses are Halle Berry and her hired help. Jesus, do the cops think they are so above the law that they no longer even have to enforce it if you are a celebrity?

  54. JM says:

    A telling quote from People magazine circa 1996 when Halle had just divorced David Justice:

    But as Justice tells it, by a year and a half into the marriage, the bad days far outnumbered the good ones. “She wasn’t the same person I was with before we got married,” he says. “She’d get mad when I watched ESPN. And every time she saw a picture of me with a woman, any woman who might have been standing by my side, she thought I was cheating. She carried a lot of baggage from her previous relationships. She was always suspicious. I’ve never known a girl who could throw a tantrum like she does.”

  55. mm says:

    I knew there was something weird going on with the police in this case, but that explains it if her security consists of off duty cops.

    The hit n run case was a weird one too.

    These cases with Halle having cops in her backpocket should be investigated.