Lindsay Lohan’s probation was officially revoked, next hearing set for Jan. 15

I didn’t realize that California law is so… slow. When I wrote my earlier post about Lindsay Lohan’s arraignment (which went down just a few hours ago), I thought that more things would be settled today. Not so much. According to TMZ, the judge formally revoked Lindsay’s probation… but there is still going to be a hearing to decide what will happen now. As in, there’s going to be a separate hearing to decide what punishment the Cracken should get for being in violation of her probation:

Lindsay Lohan’s probation was revoked this morning in court … just like we told you it would be … and the judge has now set a hearing to decide whether to lock Lindsay up for the better part of a year.

Lindsay — who wasn’t present — was arraigned this AM on charges that she lied to cops and drove recklessly when she crashed her Porsche on Pacific Coast Highway last June.

TMZ broke the story … Lindsay’s probation in the jewelry heist case would be revoked as a result of the new charges. The judge who arraigned her — Commissioner Jane Godfrey — scheduled a hearing for January 15th on the probation violation.

If Godfrey decides Lindsay did violate her probation, Lindsay could face 245 days in the pokey.

But as we reported … the Commish is not a big fan of jail, so Lindsay may skate yet again.

[From TMZ]

I can’t believe that LL didn’t even show up for her arraignment. She must have been like, “Blah, making court appearances is so 2011.” The next hearing is scheduled for January 15 – that will be when Lindsay gets sentenced to whatever for being in violation of her probation. Here’s my question – and yes, all of Lindsay’s court appearances have melded together, so I may be wrong – but I need to ask: I thought Lindsay’s probation violation automatically meant jail? Isn’t that what Judge Sautner (or whoever) said when Lindsay went on this probation thing? That if she violated, it would be mandatory jail? Just another example of A) California’s justice system being all #YOLO and B) The Cracken’s crazy lucky streak when it comes to facing the consequences of her crack shenanigans.

Photos courtesy of Pacific Coast News, WENN.

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  1. brin says:

    Cracktinis are on the (Big) house!!!

  2. lori says:

    Jaysus Californians, it’s not safe for you out there. Stay inside!

    • The Original Tiffany says:

      One of the few times I am glad I am not currently living in CA. However, I still got NYC starting in March. Please Santa, keep the Cracken off the streets while we are there.

      Or, please bring her backstage at the Cirque premiere so I can take pictures and LAUGH…or get high from being within a 50ft radius. Note to self:check attendance sheet before attending so I know NOT to wear my jewelry that night if the Crackmeister is there.

  3. Meaghan says:

    Of COURSE she didn’t get sent to jail right away. This is ridiculous. The US justice system is BULLSH-T for celebrities and people with money. I bet she will do TOPS 13 days in jail, during which she will buy books online to look like she’s bettering herself, and probably another stint in rehab where she will end up falling in love with someone, again. Then when she gets out she will stalk that guy from the wanted, then repeat.

  4. Laurabb says:

    Her teeth look pretty good……………that’s all I got.

  5. lem says:

    I think she will get jail. I know they’re reporting that the Commissioner overseeing her case isn’t big on jail, but she’s a commissioner for the homelessness court, where the sole purpose is to help those arrested by getting them into rehab, services they need, rather than sending them to jail (it’s a much more sympathetic system). I think this Commissioner is going to let it be known that LL deserves not one bit of sympathy b/c there is no excuse for her actions (she wasn’t stealing to feed her children or trespassing to find a warm place to sleep). I have hope this time around LL is going to get everything she deserves.

    • Jag says:

      Definitely don’t hold your breath. I think the “commish being soft on jail” is just letting us know that she’s already been allegedly paid off, and that Lindsay will walk yet again. At this point, I really wish I had been born into a rich, crazy family, instead of just a non-rich, weird one. I hope she gets the maximum time in jail, but I’m not holding my breath either.

      • mojo says:

        You’d be surprised at how much/little money this so called wealthy family has.

        The IRS is on their behinds big time. They are all terrified of having their financial records scrutinized.

        Her lawyer fees alone are going through the roof. Where there is no money there is no celebrity justice.

    • Tiffany says:

      I hope you are right. I am thinking this: while the judge has been easy on people in the past and sends them to rehab…these crimes do not have ANYTHING to do with alcohol or drugs, therefore rehab would be unreasonable. These crimes are stealing and then violating probation by lying to the police.

      If she broke her probation by getting a DUI or something, I could see an easy-out with rehab. However, based on this situation I am REALLY hoping that justice is actually served this time.

  6. CC says:

    Those sunspots (?) are distracting, her skin is covered with them! They are sunspots? I mean, they do stop at the b00b line, after all…..

    • gg says:

      For real? Those are these things called “freckles”. I have the exact same thing as she has. My covered parts do not have the freckles, because they only reveal themselves when they get a little sun. They get even darker when they have more sun. Since I don’t lay out in the buff, the rest of me is whiter than pale, but the freckles cover every other exposed part. It’d be a good idea to remember this for future reference.

    • Stubbylove says:

      CC – did you seriously think those were sunspots?? You haven’t heard of freckles? WOW.

      • paradis says:

        Esthetician chiming in. Her freckles are indeed hyperpigmentation caused by the sun, or… sunspots. It’s exactly why we don’t get them in areas we cover when in the sun. The sun isn’t just making your freckles darker, it’s causing them to begin with.

      • meh says:

        Well that’s interesting because I have freckles on my shoulders and I NEVER wear sleeveless shirts outside. I don’t think my shoulders have ever seen sunlight.

      • paradis says:

        Meh, it’s still most likely from the sun. Your clothing offers some spf protection but it’s not 100%- average spf 7-30. You’re either very fair or just genetically prone to freckling (as a reaction to the sun) or both. I think freckles are often adorable- just explaining their source.:)

      • BestJess says:

        This is in response to Paradis (anyone know why you can only reply to certain posts? Am I missing something obvious?)

        I have some freckles in my baby pics. As I was born in January in Shetland I think I can safely say they have nothing to do with sun exposure. Sure I have lots more now after a childhood and adulthood spent in Australia and the middle east but some of them predate any sun. Freckles aren’t all sun related.

    • gg says:

      Well, I’ve never heard freckles called “sun spots” but I’ll bow to the wisdom of the esthetician.

      However, freckles/sun spots are as common as ginger hair and usually accompany it, so get used to it.

  7. Diane says:

    Does any really think this mess will do any time? She needs the RDJ treatment. That seemed to work and straighten him out. Make her pay and maybe she will wake up before something tragic happens, Her family certainly isn’t going to do any tough love

  8. Rita says:

    She’s been threatened with jail, fined, put on probation, gone to rehab, rehab, and more rehab so what’s left? What do you do with people who refuse to live by the rules of society? The judge is an idiot for not giving her serious jail time. What’s she going to do, extend her probation for violating her probation? Yeah, that will show her whose boss.

  9. Mia 4S says:

    To be fair I assume the earlier judge meant automatic jail if the violation is proven. Innocent unt proven guilty and all that. However, it’s a different judge so I’m sure automatic will become “automatic” meaning “nope”. Such a joke.

    • deehunny says:

      Eh, it really is in the Judge’s discretion. Pretty much if LL’s attorney can advocate an alternative, workable, “feasible & fair” alternative, then the Judge may agree with that.

      Now, I know many of you think that a Judge would be crazy to look at her track record and think otherwise, but hey, that’s how lawyers make their $$$.

  10. Lucky Charm says:

    Whaaaat?! We have to wait a whole other month??? That makes no sense, “We’ll revoke your probation, but you have five weeks (to keep partying and having fun) until you need to find out what your consequences will be for that.” Wouldn’t my kids have loved to get a free five-week pass between being caught and punished. Bad mom that I am, I meted out consequences or punishment on the spot.

    Crackmas apparently only came early for Lizard Lohan and her oh-so-proud mama. Please hand me a cracktini, Brin, and make it a double!

  11. marie says:

    The Faces of Lindsay.. just as scary as Faces Of Death.. nothin will come of it..

    come on New York make something stick..

  12. Skins says:

    If she goes to jail what are we going to do here on celebitchy?

  13. janie says:

    Wellllll…. Here’s a bright spot? No one in my area covered her latest court case! Things may be looking up! Everyone is just done with this.

  14. Ruby Red Lips says:

    I don’t understand – if her probabtion has been violated from now, what does that mean for now till jan 15th???

    Can the crackie still do and go anywhere she pleases?? If so what a f*ing joke!!!

    Also crackie is free over Xmas & New Year – they really should have locked her down for then

  15. lizbet says:

    I live in San Diego, and am in mortal fear that the Cracken will go south-er for the winter.

  16. HoneyB says:

    There is no way Strawberry Snortcake is going to keep her nose (ahem) clean for five weeks. She’ll just catch more cases to pile on the ones she already has. This trick is going down. She still has the case in NY to deal with Jan. 7th and the IRS lean. I do not feel one iota of sympathy for her.

    • pamspam says:

      Strawberry Snortcake!!! I don’t know if you came up with that one, but it’s new to me. Nice!

    • gg says:

      omg that is hilarious. high five.

    • The Original Tiffany says:

      That’s a pretty old one around here, but we haven’t used it very much in a long time.

      I posted this in her other thread. I am just done with her. I will never , ever feel sorry for her. This on comparing her to RDJ.

      (on his addiction to drugs): It`s like I have a loaded gun in my mouth, and I like the taste of metal.

      He wanted to go to jail. Cracken is the complete opposite. She has no remorse, thinks she has done no wrong. I feel sorry for a drug addict like RDJ was. The cracken just isn’t an addict, she is a criminal, a grifter, a whore, a thief, a liar, she hits people with cars, she has no talent, she is unrepentant and irredeemable. She will never change, ever. Look at WO.

      Brooke Mueller just went to rehab for the 19th time and if she didn’t have kids I wouldn’t care at all. SHe’s a mess, but contained and just sad. The Cracken is on the loose, out of control and cannot stop getting into trouble.

      She isn’t a drug addict ODing alone, she’s a damned threat to anyone near her. How many people has she hit? Run into? Bullied? Fought with? How much has she stolen and destroyed and still maintained it wasn’t her fault. Obviously it was the “black guy” or ‘the assistant”.

      No one in the world should feel sorry for this trick. Ever.

      I will continue to pray for a long jail sentence because I am ever the optimist. It can’t hurt and I would LOVE having her in jail for a year. DOn’t tell me it won’t happen. Let me dream a little. It’s Christmas time, when belief can be suspended for a brief moment in the year.
      I look forward to an epic 32 days.

  17. Mich says:

    If her probation has been revoked, does it mean that she has to return to CA and stay put until her hearing?

  18. brin says:

    I don’t know if it’s the cracktinis, but that top picture looks like the crackie version of the Brady Bunch opener.

  19. Miss Kiki says:

    At this point I feel like the Californian court system is just taking the piss now. With all of this playing out so publicly how can they expect anyone to take them seriously?! I need a cracktini stat.

  20. madpoe says:

    Someone cue “Ding Dong the Witch is Dead” and hand me a Cracktini!

  21. Obvious says:

    I’m not holding any hope for her going to jail. She’s also part of the reason I refuse to venture into the bowels-or outskirts of LA. I’m very happy living outside of all that. But i cna guarantee that if i, or anyone else tried even a 10th of what she pulls we’d be in jail so fast our heads would spin.

    I used to wish her the best. and i still hope one day she’ll wake up cut off her family (momma lohan-who amazes me by looks 20 years younger than Lilo) clean up and grow up.

    but that won’t even happen after the apocalypse., I mean she’s worse than a cockroach-she’ll outlive us all by 100 years at this point i’m convinced.

    • BestJess says:

      I don’t know about LA specifically but I suspect people are overplaying LL’s celebrity as a reason for her lenient treatment. In the US the jails are already running at 3-4 times capacity. It is simply not possible to lock up all lower end offenders. If you cause serious injury then you’ll likely face incarceration but otherwise generally it’s probation, home detention, court ordered rehab etc

  22. SHA says:

    When I went to LA in early August I saw Lindsay at the chateau marmont with her mother not only drinking but popping pills that her mother gave her while drinking alcohol and saw a bag that looked like it contained weed. There is a lot of substances abuse going on and jail will do her good so she can detox maybe it will encourage her mom to get help she needs too it was so sad watching them behave like that I see an awful end if they keep this up.I wonder how Ali is doing??

  23. Grace says:

    She’s going to jail this time. There is no possible way that she can make it through Christmas and New Years without doing drugs, drinking too much, and acting up.
    Hopefully she doesn’t drink and drive again.

  24. HotPockets says:

    People don’t realize that the legal process in general is slow, sometimes cases can take YEARS to settle and dispute. I think with all these shows on tv like law and order, we assume that everything A. goes to trial and B. people are charged and convicted within days. This is far from the truth.

    Also, I love the collage of mugshots, she looks the best when she has strawberry blonde hair, but her soon to be latest mugshot..will she keep the dark ginger hair or dye it back blonde to be consistent?

    • pamspam says:

      Thanks for this comment – I was going to say something similar. The process can be frustratingly slow, and it has very little (if anything) to do with her fame. It’s also not specific to CA. When I lived in NV, a friend was killed by a drunk driver. There were SO many delays and hearings and continuances…it was about 2 years before the woman who killed him saw her first day in prison. So, hopefully Lilo will serve some time…but it’s not going to be tomorrow.

      • HotPockets says:

        I am always surprised at people’s outrage over La Lohan’s legal woes. For one, California’s prison and jail systems are supremely overcrowded, so most individuals do not serve the full amount of time they were sentenced, this is not unusual or because Lindsay is a celebrity. Like you said, your friend was killed by a drunk driver and the amount of time it took for that person to be convicted was longer than what most people would assume. One of my husband’s co workers was killed by a drunk driver, not only was he drunk, but he was already on probation and was speed racing. It took several months for him to be charged and a couple years for the case to go to court, he was convicted of vehicular manslaughter, driving on a suspended driver’s license, speeding (btw, he was going about 115 mph in a residential neighborhood), and violating his probation. Guess what? he didn’t even serve 6 months in prison and he is already out. There is no such thing as justice! Not to mention this kid bragged about what he did, showed zero remorse.

        Our legal system is heavily flawed and it seems like the ones who give less of a $hit skate by at it’s expense. This isn’t because she is Lindsay Lohan, it’s an example of all the loopholes and inconsistencies in the legal system. The people who should pay, never do.

  25. lucy2 says:

    I don’t know how they can avoid sentencing her if she broke her probation, but they will somehow.
    For all the drugs, drinking, crashing cars, and violence arrests she’s had, if she ever ends up in jail I bet it’s due to the IRS.

  26. A says:

    When is the New York hearing thing? Can she go to jail for that before january??

  27. Katija says:

    Typically when celebs go all Christian (like that Angus dude or Kirkzilla) I roll my eyes, but I swear, if Lindsay found Christ and started being a Bible thumper, at this point, I’d say “good for you.”

    That girl needs Jesus. And I say this as a Jewish person. (Happy Hannukah!!!)

  28. Jayna says:

    Since about 20 or 21, I guess, she has lived a vapid life and contributed in zero way to living on this earth. She drugs, drinks, steals, uses people, does appearances to make money to drug and drink more, and stays in trouble with the law nonstop, and has done a couple of poor movies. She is 26 years old, not a baby, but her life is just a trainwreck, nothing more.

    Robert Downey, Jr., had intelligence, great talent, even in during his dark period always had some class to him still. You rooted for him because when you would see him in a movie or like when he appeared on Ally McBeal, he was brilliant and charming and funny. Lindsay has none of that anymore. Just an aged-looking girl with horrible plastic surgery and zero class ever even peaking out during these years, spending her time crashing parties trying to get free things or appear relevant.

    • Katija says:

      Robert Downey Jr was more of a Britney Spears type, in the sense that the whole thing was just sad. I read a story that floated around about him taking the wrong drink at Starbucks, and the barrista following him out to switch them, and RDJ being just incoherent and dead behind the eyes.

      With Lindsay, she is smart enough and coherent enough to do better, she just blatantly chooses not to because she thinks she’s above it all. I still don’t believe she’s a drug addict or a drunk. I think she has a mental addiction to partying and thinks the rules don’t apply to her. I think she could quit booze and drugs cold turkey tomorrow if she just ate a slice of humble pie and said, “yes, the rules DO apply to me, and I’ve been a brat. Time to change.”

  29. grabbyhands says:

    We’re revoking your probation until January 15th when court will reconvene and absolutely nothing will happen to you and you’ll be free to get back to your pointless existence. Yawn.

  30. Kathryn says:

    Normal people aren’t even allowed to leave the state when they’re on probation, but the entire point of probation is if you violate it you immediately go to jail. You don’t get to party for a few months and casually roll in. Plus she has been continually recieving probation, having it revoked and getting it back. When you violate probation shit is gone forever for normal people. UGH

  31. Katija says:

    Also, she is proof that beauty is NOT free. Yes, you can be born stunning, but if you wanna stay that way, you gotta work at it. LiLo probably thinks that being born hot was good enough.

    Beauty fades, dear. Look at Gwen Stefani side-by-side with Britney Spears. Who looks older – the forty-something who’s spent her days working out like an addict and probably wears vats and vats of SPF, or the barely-31-year-old who drugged, drank, and tanned day in and day out?

    URGH, Cracken. You can STILL turn things around. 26 is too old to be coddled, but you are still YOUNG. God, I just want to shake her.

  32. Evelyn says:

    Oh that’s my birthday! She’d better get something, after the steelers beat the ravens on my birthday two years ago, I can’t handle another birthday letdown!
    That said, what are the odds shell have to pay for the havoc she wreaks? 50 to 1?

  33. elceibeno08 says:

    I cannot believe her luck. Lindsey has 33 days left to party her ass off. Why should she show up to a court hearing? That would cramp her lifestyle.

  34. Gal says:

    I don’t understand probation. Why does she get to travel everywhere? Isn’t there some kind of “don’t leave town” clause in there somewhere?

  35. Mac says:

    Compared to some others Lindsay takes a consistently decent mugshot.

  36. dorothy says:

    So she still has a month to hit someone, wreck , steal something and party. I’m guessing we’ll see more drama before the next court date.

  37. Vampi says:

    Excuse me if this has been brought up before…but if not, cold someone please ‘splain this to me?
    Where I live…being on probation means you are not only not allowed to have alcohol in your house, but you may not consume alcohol…or…here’s the big one… Be ANYWHERE alcohol is being served….no clubs, no bars, no flippin’ Pizza Hut!!! If she lived here..that shizz alone would be a violation of her probation!!
    Is it differen’t in CA and/or NY?
    If so…I have a few proby friends who may wanna move.. Lol
    SMH at the Crisco Cracken!!

  38. Vampi says:

    Excuse me if this has been brought up before…but if not, cold someone please ‘splain this to me?
    Where I live…being on probation means you are not only not allowed to have alcohol in your house, but you may not consume alcohol…or…here’s the big one… Be ANYWHERE alcohol is being served….no clubs, no bars, no flippin’ Pizza Hut!!! If she lived here..that alone would be a violation of her probation!!
    Is it differen’t in CA and/or NY?
    If so…I have a few proby friends who may wanna move.. Lol
    SMH at the Crisco Cracken!!

  39. Bess says:

    I want to know how the Cracken can afford to pay Shawn Holley’s fee. I’m sure that she’s not cheap.

    We haven’t seen her with Vikram for a while and the rich artist guy isn’t letting her drive his porsche any more.

    Any guesses on who’s paying her legal fees?

  40. Cecada says:

    I have this magnet on my fridge that says, “I wish Morgan Freeman narrated my life.” It got me thinking….

    Lindsay’s (former?) assistant recently said to her, “Your life is not a movie!”

    Well, suppose for a moment it IS a movie. A documentary, specifically. My question is, who would be the best choice to narrate this mess?

    …And what would you title it?

  41. e.non says:

    seems to me this is more connected to keeping judges fully employed… read news accounts of any recent cases, and you’ll see the original crimes were committed 5+ years ago. it’s disgraceful; and just another example of the collapse of u.s. institutions.

    well, unless you’re a 17yo lower class kid caught selling pot. then your ass is immediately custody of the state.

  42. Mo says:

    It’s incredible how Lindsay Lohan keeps going in and out of court and she violated her probation and they still haven’t put her in jail where she belongs. It’s about time.

  43. logan says:

    Soooooooooooooo tired of hearing this losers name. Will she ever get the punishment she deserves? No. Why? Because just like we don’t want to spend time or money watching her movies, t.v. appearances, buy any of her products (leggings, tanning spray etc.), the judicial courts don’t want to spend their time over her either. Lets just accept it, no one wants any thing to do with Lindsay Lohan except men who pay for her company. She is too old and used up to be a model of any kind, her lack of acting skills and her addictions will keep her right where she is—-in the media for being a f**k up.

  44. HannahF says:

    While I agree with you about the collapse of U.S. institutions, you are absolutely wrong about judges doing this to stay employed.

    California (SoCal at least) has beautiful weather but right now that is about the only positive thing you can say about this place. The State is broke, LA County is broke and the City of Los Angeles is literally on the verge of bankruptcy.

    The amount of money that has been cut from the budget of the Superior Court system is unbelievable. The staff is being cut from judges on down. Another round is due next year. Judges are supposed to move things along. A judge who doesn’t will find themselves in traffic court in a trailer somewhere.

    That said, what went on today was standard procedure.

    It’s come up before that I’m a family law attorney. Family court often gets short shrift in terms of budget. We are losing judges and courtrooms. They have been threatening to take away the deputies with guns and replace them with “security.” It takes forever to get court dates. It is bad. But, it is beautiful!

  45. Lex says:

    She has good eyebrows.

    At least she’s never plucked them into oblivion like so many people do.
    Nice one Linds

  46. Violet says:

    There’s a good reason she doesn’t take the whole situation seriously: Even if she does wind up sentenced to jail, she’ll probably only serve a day or two. It’s a complete joke.

    In all seriousness, Lindsay would actually benefit from a long stint in jail. She obviously got substance abuse problems, and it’s doubtful she’ll ever get clean without being totally removed from all temptation.

  47. swack says:

    Nothing going on here . . . Michael is over on ROL stating that her new PR group is turning down jobs that will give her income (how he knows this I do not know). Apparantly one of the jobs would be as a spokesperson for a Don’t Drink and Drive Campaign (having a hard time typing this without laughing). More fodder for tomorrow on CB!

    • OhMyMy says:

      Thanks for the story tip. That was funny. If she doesn’t want anything to do with him how come he knows so much about her business opportunities?

      No pride, no shame, will shill for anything at this point. Except any company that hires her as a spokesperson will just look foolish. How much did Mr. Pink pay her and she couldn’t even hold the can the right way?

  48. julie says:

    Um, hasn’t she left with The Wanted back to the UK?

    Extradition – oy!

  49. dee says:

    Well, nothing was ever going to actually happen to her today anyway. I hold out the faint hope things will finally catch up to her next month but it is a very faint hope. No matter because the Feds are still after her and they care not one whit about how awesome “Mean Girls” was. There’s shady doings with her finances that owing back taxes doesn’t even begin to cover, I can’t help thinking. The IRS will work with you to pay what you owe but if you have actually willfully evaded taxes by, say– just off the top of my head–taking large amounts of cash for appearences that you do not report to the people who you have hired to file for you, you will do time.

  50. vvvoid says:

    My now ex boyfriend is in jail awaiting sentencing for stealing 5k worth of checks in 2 weeks to fund a crack binge.
    He has been in this same position before, the past 10 years of his life have been a series of massive falls from grace, recovery, and a return to his same old patterns.
    I hate to say it, I hate to even think of him in jail, but he’s done the rehab rodeo so many times and it never sticks, a year or so in jail might be the only thing that finally inflicts enough suffering and forces him to keep his mind clear long enough, in full and abject realization of just how deep a hole he’s dug, to keep him from forgetting why he can’t start using again the next time he gets the bright idea to get high “just for today”. Addicts, we forget so easily. We forget the pain, the misery, the humiliation that is inevitable each time we start using again. But most people who relapse over and over, or never stop in the first place, just haven’t suffered enough. It’s amazing how much one often has to suffer before one can stop making the same mistakes.
    Lindsay is even worse. I say this because she has never displayed, at least publicly, the slightest glimmer of self-awareness. She absolutely needs jail time. It may save her life, for what it’s worth. I have a hard time even feeling empathy for her because I get the sense that she is just a worthless narcissist who happens to have a drug problem, rather than a drug addict who behaves like a narcissist as a result of her drug problem.
    Lock her up. For her sake.

  51. Lucrezia says:

    There has to be a sentencing hearing, because all this trial established is whether she technically broke probation – not whether it was a minor/egregious violation.

    If sentences were automatic, the guy jay-walking on his last day of probation and the guy who knocked off a pharmacy two days after being released would get the same punishment. Which would be utterly ridiculous.

    Whether sentencing happens at a totally separate trial depends on state law. I think they have to be held separately in California (but I’m not an expert).