Tom Hiddleston on his vampire costar Tilda Swinton: ‘She’s an extraordinary artist’

I think… that we’re going to be seeing more of Tom Hiddleston in the next few weeks? I know for sure that his vampire film with Tilda Swinton is going to be shown at the Toronto Film Festival, and now I’m wondering if Tilda and Tom aren’t also going to show the film in Venice too. And Venice has already started! Will we have new Tommy photos this week?! It will be exciting if it happens. Anyway, Tom has a new interview with The Independent about Only Lovers Left Alive (the vampire movie), and it’s Classic Hiddles. Which is to say, verbose, twee and puppyish.

Tom Hiddleston had to play down his “irritating optimism” to get into his latest role of a “melancholy” vampire. The Thor star plays Adam, alongside Tilda Swinton’s Eve, in Only Lovers Left Alive, and playing the reclusive musician was a “big stretch” for him, he said.

Speaking about his character at an event at the British Film Institute on London’s South Bank looking ahead to the Toronto and Venice film festivals, he said: “He is romantic, and melancholy, and poetic, and sensitive, deeply creative, and nostalgic for a pre-digital age where creativity was more of an endeavour…and he’s a vampire.”

Hiddleston described working with Swinton as “amazing”, adding: “She’s an extraordinary, extraordinary artist. It really felt like a dance in a strange way because Adam and Eve became alive as much as we invested in them.”

A tale about the relationship between the two vampires, the London-born actor said Swinton’s character in the film complemented Adam.

“In a way her breadth can hold Adam’s complexity, and it’s really a love story between these two fine and delicate creatures of the night,” he said.

Hiddleston said he could see similarities between himself and Adam, but added that he is a much more optimistic and happy person.

“There’s a lot of me in Adam for sure, but Adam is also darker than I am,” he said.

Adding: “John Hurt is in the film and Adam is described by his character as a ‘suicidally romantic scoundrel’.

“I have probably an irritating optimism sometimes in myself and I had to turn the volume on that down.”

Taking on the role did not intimidate him and he said he enjoyed challenging himself.

“It was wonderful, because acting is the privilege of living in the shoes of someone else for a time, and Adam was a big stretch for me,” he said.

Hiddleston, who starred in Midnight in Paris, had to lose weight for the part, but said he does not believe a performance should be judged on how much an actor has changed their appearance.

“I had to change my physicality to some degree. I’m very skeptical of this current vogue of performances being judged according to how much weight you put on or lose, because I don’t think it’s what it’s about, truly. I just had to do more exercise and eat a bit less,” he said.

The actor is taking on Shakespeare in December when he will play Coriolanus at the Donmar Warehouse – and he has started learning his lines already.

“It’s a monumental learn. It’s one of the longest parts. I’ve started already so Coriolanus is occupying every last brain cell that I have. It’s wonderful though,” he said.

[From The Independent]

“I have probably an irritating optimism sometimes in myself and I had to turn the volume on that down” = acting. And does he get points for being self-aware enough to describe his “irritating optimism”? Or is that sort of Tom’s version of a humble-brag? I don’t know. It depends on whether or not you think it’s easy to be optimistic these days, or whether cynicism is the default, the blank slate emotion of small-minded people.

Anyway, I would prefer to listen to Tom talk about Tilda. I want to hear more about that! I want to hear his Tilda stories. Oh, and I agree with him about judging performances by how much weight is gained or lost. It’s become the default of too many actors! I wish Tom would name names, though. Like, “I’m very skeptical of this current vogue of performances being judged according to how much weight you put on or lose, cough, Natalie Portman.”

Photos courtesy of WENN.

 

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  1. Anna says:

    There should be a cocktail named after him, The Classic Hiddles. Champagne would be a must. Maybe a Shirley Temple made with champagne? Suggestions for other ingredients welcome.

  2. Sixer says:

    “Irritating optimism” = TommyAnne’s name for the things he sees b!tchy girls saying about him on those nasty boards when he googles himself?

  3. Miss Jupitero says:

    Yes TommyAnnE, this is called acting.

  4. allons-y alonso says:

    Awww, bless. Even my pessimistic side finds him completely adorable.

  5. Anna says:

    Only two lines on Shakespeare! I think that’s some kind of record.

  6. Sixer says:

    A second point occurs. OLLA looks right up my alley. I will simply need to get past the awful wig.

    • Miss Jupitero says:

      I was thinking the same thing. TommyAnnE brought down to earth might be a lot more fun.

      • T.fanty says:

        I’m kind of thinking that I would like to get TommyAnne drunk with the football-chanting Viking. HiddleyAnna was a big rugby fan – I’m sure he can let loose, too.

      • Sixer says:

        I’m liking the idea of post-match muddy.

      • Lucrezia says:

        Wait, what?

        OLLA character description: “suicidally romantic scoundrel … melancholy, and poetic, and sensitive, deeply creative, and nostalgic.”

        Miss J (nee C&C :P ): Down to earth.

        LMAO! Did a post vanish or get edited? Down to earth definitely wouldn’t have been my take away from that.

      • T.Fanty says:

        Ohh, to be in *that* locker room. Sipping on Pervy Tombangers and watching the action unfold.

      • Sixer says:

        I believe rugby still has post-match communal bathing…

      • Anna says:

        I think TommeAnne is a total lightweight and would slobber all over the Viking.

      • T.Fanty says:

        *signs Benny the Bitch and Tom Hardy up for the CB Rugby league team*

      • T.Fanty says:

        Good thinking. Can we also include
        Paul McGann?

        Speaking of which, did you see the article about the Luther movie in today’s Guardian?

      • Miss Jupitero says:

        Lucrezias: compared to where TommyAnnE is, down to earth. He needs to be seriously tempered with real, complex emotion.

      • T.fanty says:

        @Miss J;

        Yes, that, plus my boobs.

      • Miss Jupitero says:

        @Tfanty, have you had a Pervy Tommybanger already?

        Thornfield is open for brunch. Lets have at it now while the beds are being made.

      • Sixer says:

        @ Fanty – Paul McGann welcome. Not sure how much you know about rugger, but I’m thinking TommyAnne will need to be fly half. I can picture his tortured Jonny Wilkinson-style kicking. He could IMBUE that part with the essence of TommyAnne-ness.

        Huzzah! Luther film has been hinted at for a while. A prequel sounds perfect.

        @ Miss J – I’m coming! I’m coming! (Er… to Thornfield, that is).

      • Lucrezia says:

        Ah, Miss Jupitero, I disagree. But then, all I’m reading in the character description is emo-goth. Been there, done that scene. It wasn’t what I’d call complex, real or down to earth.

        So I’m definitely projecting a bit, but I’m really going to struggle to take an angsty vampire seriously. I fear Hook is going to be more real and complex. I know, I know … Pixie Hollow vs Jim Jarmusch (and SWINTON!), but it’s also Hook vs emo-goth vampire.

        That said, OLLA might still be a great movie with an angsty arty vamp, I’m down with stereotypical/archetypical characters.

        Edit to add: that seriousness is out of place in a rugby & boobs sub-discussion. I apologise. I know nothing about rugby so I’ll go help with the brunch. Cucumber sandwiches okay? Or is there some special rugby food I should be serving?

      • T.Fanty says:

        @ Sixer; Here’s what I know about rugby. They wear tight shorts and girl rugby players are crazy. I used to live with one at uni. I’m just hopeful about the whole communal shower thing.

        I’m kind of excited about the Luther movie, but without having yet seen season three, think they need an editor (maybe I can send along your c.v.). Or just someone to point out that EVERY episode doesn’t need a scene in which Idris holds his head in his hands, groans “noooooooooaaw” and slams something.

      • Sixer says:

        @ Lucrezia

        1) Artsy/angsty/archetypes – it’s Tommy playing himself! But I like it in fiction (film or lit).

        2) Rugby players like manly food and beer. Mostly beer.

        @ Fanty

        Episode 2 of Season 3 has the biggest head-holding moment yet, sorry! I shed a little Sixer tear. But I’d agree they need to get with the arc over the episode. We don’t want to be waiting for the inevitable moments all the time.

      • T.Fanty says:

        Listen, I don’t mind the occasional head-hold (and my thighs are always ready, should Idris’ hands tire). But just because Dramaturgy for Dummies says that every episode needs a revelation doesn’t make it true. When it works, it’s *so* good, but making the stakes so consistently high and emotionally fraught leaves the series nowhere to go but melodrama.

        I think Luther tried to go the Sherlock route, with three punchy episodes a season, but the problem is that they only have an hour, where, as DUC correctly points out, each Sherlock episode is essentially a movie in itself. Luther doesn’t give itself the time to balance out the high drama with anything else, and as a result, sometimes I just feel like it lurches from crisis to crisis without any respite.

      • Sixer says:

        Yes. Hot man lust aside, Luther has some stellar performances, a great mood, mostly excellent camera work (a few heavy-handed shots but not many). But it does fall down on pacing the crisis moments.

      • Miss Jupitero says:

        @ Lucrezia, let me explain a bit more why I feel is way (though I agree that all this talk about ruby, boobs, terrible cocktails, and the promise of fine omlets and veuve at Thornfield Manor inclines me to not go too deeply):

        Everything I have read about this film, which granted isn’t much, makes it clear that this is a comedy above everything else. This in my opinion is the crucial ingredient which can bring all this emo-poetic suicidal literary vampire thing down to earth.

        A witty script will turn the key. If it makes the mistake of taking itself seriously, or if Hiddles takes himself too seriously (which he would do given the chance), it would be positively dreadful. Knowing Jarmusch, I anticipate wit, and a truly down to earth romance.

      • Miss Jupitero says:

        Full credit to the director, in other words.

      • Lucrezia says:

        @ Miss J: Point. I had completely forgotten the Cannes reviewers saying it’s comedic. (I was just thinking of the 2 clips that were released, and the production stills. None of which gave the impression there was any humour.) You’re absolutely right, if there’s witty comedy, that will change things.

      • Sixer says:

        Definite comedy. I think, slight plot aside, they mince about making obscure literary references and puns and bemoaning the lack of artistry in the yoof of today. Not everyone’s cup of tea, but it is mine.

        The only line I’ve seen written down is Hiddleston to someone: “You drank Ian!”

  7. Portia says:

    I like his optimism. It’s not irritating, it’s refreshing. What’s irritating is how others gripe about him not being cynical, sarcastic, cold, and aloof enough.

    Let the man be the way he is. I hope he doesn’t change and become grouchy and douchey. All of Hollywood is already that way, famous celebrity or not.

    It’s okay, Hiddleston. You stay the happy pup you are. And if he googles himself, pfft! all famous people do. Hell, even the non famous ones do it too. I just hope he don’t take any of it seriously and to heart. Unless it’s about his acting, he should ignore all remarks about himself. Like it’s commendable to be negative all the time and honestly, no one wants realism because it is uninteresting. Him being happy all the time is good. It makes him controversial. STAY HAPPY AND OPTIMISTIC, HIDDLESTON!

    • Miss Jupitero says:

      I actually like the optimism and kindness. I don’t find these things irritating. His desperation to please everyone combined with his tendency to be extremely verbose without conveying a single opinion though are very irritating, and incline me to interpret his optimism as. At least in a certain measure, repression.

      • Portia says:

        I don’t think he’s desperate to please everyone. I think he’s desperate not to be confrontational because majority of people in the industry have fickle insincere opinions anyways so why bother to disagree and create friction or even a scene when that opinion will change in a fortnight. And when he’s desperate to land a job. A good one.

        He says what he means but he probably reserves his strong integrity point of views on things that do matter to him. He was pissed that one time when he took to twitter and voiced how audiences don’t believe actors act or have to learn lines. Plus saying what he did right now about losing weight in acting not being a big deal, that’s bound to ruffle some feathers.

      • Sixer says:

        Awww, Portia. What can men do against such reckless hate, eh? But where would be the fun if we didn’t mock the tiniest of perceived character flaws in all the special snowflakes we like the look of? Threads would be such a bore.

        And y’know, if they’re signed up for the adulation – which they ALL are – they surely know the mockery comes as a side dish, like it or not.

    • icerose says:

      Like his optimism, kindness and his intellect. The critic from timeout said Tom is very good and it wil be nice to see him in something with a bit of wit. I do not think he has been in a comedy/satire drama since Shootout in Suburbia and he was the picture of innocence and enthusiasm in that. So agree with his comments on the emphasis on the body be it male or female that Hollywood seems to have. That said someone’s weight loss was Oscar worthy but did not get the impression that they had actually seen the film yet.Bizarre

  8. bettyrose says:

    This is the first time I’ve found the non-Loki Hiddles hot. Tilda can do that to a man. That is one serious cocktail of tall, think, pale-faced simmering lust.

  9. Samtha says:

    Question–what is going on with his skin in some of those pics? Bad sunburn? Bad foundation? Does he have freckles under there or something? He’s too young for that kind of skin damage.

  10. Lindy79 says:

    ““I had to change my physicality to some degree. I’m very skeptical of this current vogue of performances being judged according to how much weight you put on or lose, because I don’t think it’s what it’s about, truly. I just had to do more exercise and eat a bit less,” he said.”

    I know I’m not on board the HiddleTrain like some other CBs but this line has irritated me. Yes it shouldn’t just be judged solely on that but a tall skinny guy becoming a little more skinny is hardly groundbreaking. Christian Bale and Charlize Theron are two examples that spring to mind where their physical transformations were pivotal to their performances.

    It just sounds a bit like he’s saying actors who transform physically for a role are only celebrated because of that one thing, which simply isn’t true for most cases.

    (I’m not even touching Portman and her whole “I became a Prima Ballerina in 18 months” crap)

    • T.Fanty says:

      That’s kind of old-school way of approaching acting, that’s favored by the old guard of British thesps – Gambon, Gielgud, et al . There’s a story about Marathon Man in which Dustin Hoffman ran around the block five times to get sufficiently out of breath, because his character had just returned from a run. Sir Laurence Olivier watched, and when he returned, allegedly said “my dear boy, why don’t you simply try acting?”

      • Sixer says:

        Yes. Luvvies aren’t big on method.

      • Lindy79 says:

        I get that, and I agree that it should in no way replace actual acting talent, I just don’t think Charlize would have been…able to get into the psyche of someone like Aileen Wournos if she had rocked up in her Dior looking like a model.

        He’s also essentially criticising one of his great heros DDL. Who is one of the most method actors out there.

      • Laura says:

        That story is hilarious and I could just picture Hoffman all panting and Sir Lawrence all aloof and british (he was british right?) anyhoo, I usually just stalk the hiddles threads for all the hilarious comments, he does nothing for me personally.

      • T.fanty says:

        I don’t think he’s talking about DDL and method. I think he’s taking a polite shot at those who think that weight loss/gain is method. DDL doesn’t fundamentally change his body for each role. He’s still a skinny, dark haired guy. That’s fundamentally the point, no?

        And I really shouldn’t be invoking Sir Larry for my argument, as he blacked up and dropped his voice an octave to play Othello.

      • *unf* Joan Jett says:

        The more important question is: Why does Hollywood not cast actors and actresses who DON’T look like Dior models in the first place? Why do they rather pay Renée Zellweger crazy money for every extra pound of gained weight? Or cast Zoe Saldana and operate with a prosthetic nose? Or Johnny Depp to portray a Native American character? Don’t tell me, only ~beautiful people~ are talented. So to me the problem is not whether the physical transformations are pivotal to performances or not, it is about the lack of diversity in the film industry, that requires physical changes from their actors in the first place.

        Also lol @ Sir Laurence “why don’t you simply try acting” Olivier.

      • Miss Jupitero says:

        I also think his weight loss for this role is no big shakes. It’s not like he transformed himself for the role ala Theron, Fassbender, or Bale. What did he do? Give up Guinness for a month? Run a little bit more?

        @JoanJett: amen!

      • T.Fanty says:

        Yes to the Joan Jett thing. When I used to work in off-Broadway, a well-known television actor once told me that during his last trip to LA, someone told him that theatre was for ugly people who couldn’t make it in TV and film.

        ETA to Sixer’s comment below. I would LOVE it if TommyAnne let out a little inner bitch. You know he has one. That would be *so* hot, even though we know he’ll be up until 2am, flagellating himself for being mean (although I’m not entirely sure that’s a bad thing).

      • Sixer says:

        (My luvvie comment was about Larry, not Tommy).

        I don’t think he was taking potshots at any one person. I think he was giving an opinion about acting, acting styles and an acting fad that, as Fanty said, sees itself as method when it isn’t. It’s faux method. And I doubt he meant any high quality method performance that had an element of physical transformation but wasn’t based entirely on it.

        It was an opinion. My little faker-rhapsodiser actually said something that some people might not agree with. I’m giving him props for that.

        Re: Joan Jett’s fantastic point – British TV is still holding out to some extent. I’m hoping it continues to do so.

      • Miss Jupitero says:

        A little inner bitch venting would show his reality, confidence, and humanity. I would love to see one interview where he doesn’t play the try-hard pleaser. I know this is a tough year for him, but it isn’t an excuse

      • Miss Melissa says:

        @Lindy79

        I actually think he might be referring to Christian Bale.

      • T.Fanty says:

        @Miss Melissa,

        If so, I am very much Team Tom on this one.

      • Kate says:

        I think he’s not criticizing any particular actor, just the tendency of the press to make a bigger deal out of the weight loss than the actual performance.

        I know for certain, for example, that Tom thinks Fassbender’s performance in Hunger is one of the best, most seamless of the past decade. He ranked it with DDL in There Will Be Blood.

      • Side-Eye says:

        @ Melissa He better. Not. Be.

    • Portia says:

      I don’t know why but when I read that line of his, I thought he was taking a shot at Fassbender. Fassy dropped weight for Hunger and once thin, his character had no lines but it was very strong physical acting. But at the end of the day, people seemed more in awe of Fassy losing all that weight than his acting.

      • Lindy79 says:

        Maybe, and that’s very true about the reaction of people but it just reads to me, as you said, that he’s taking shots at the actor rather than the people focusing on the wrong thing. I could be taking it up totally wrong though.

      • Kate says:

        Nope, he’s heaped praise on Fassbender for that performance in the past.

      • Portia says:

        @Kate

        I’m glad to hear that! I like both actors and even though my mind went there, I’m really glad I was wrong. It’s such a gut wrenching performance and it’s great to hear Hiddleston appreciated it. Maybe one day he’ll be able to get gritty roles like that and knock them clear outta the park.

      • icerose says:

        I do not think he was talking about any particular actor but the media which tend to focus on physical looks as opposed to the actual acting. I do think there seems to be a new obsession with “fit” actors which is the equivalent of size 0 actresses. I love that in the UK and especially in theatre that this does not happen as much. I have no problems with actors who alter their looks its just it seems to have become a bit cliche.For me what makes an actor attractive is his talent and the roles he plays.

    • Portia says:

      Well, to be fair, Lindy, he did say “performances being judged” and not “performances being done.” So he is annoyed at people concentrating on the wrong aspect.

      On another completely different note, I just noticed how handsome he looks in the last Cannes pic. That jaw and cheekbones, god, he is blessed with spectacular bone structure.

  11. Tish says:

    “need to playdown irritating optimism” is like saying “my greatest weakness is perfectionism” in a job interview

  12. MissMary says:

    I would ship these two so hard just because they’d be such a striking couple–neither are classically beautiful but imagine the cheekbones and intense staring.

    • Janey says:

      I am sorry to level this at you MissMary – you are not alone in this completely egregious, wrong-headed fanciful notion BUT a stand must be taken. My darling Tilda will not get with Tom – She is saving herself for Cumby, so they can be intense and look like David Bowie together. They will have beautiful, cat alien babies and it will be a bright, new dawn.

  13. Why says:

    OMG these 2 toghter…(what a)Power couple.

  14. Esmom says:

    I don’t have strong feelings for Hiddles but looking at these photos I feel the need to bow the ef down to Swinton. She is a goddess!

  15. Maureen says:

    The British thespians refer to everyone and everything as “extraordinary”. Seriously, listen to them some time. You can play a drinking game with your friends for every time one of them refers to a script, director, co-star, or some other actor they like as “extraordinary”. That includes Benedict, who I’ve heard say it probably a hundred times. It’s their go-to word like “amazing” is for the Americans. It really is a meaningless, empty compliment. If a compliment were truly meaningful they’d be able to find other words.

  16. alex says:

    I kinda feel for him because he recognizes that it’s probably
    irritating optimism he has but then there is comments of “is that sort of Tom’s version of a humble-brag?” all I have to say is ‘sheesh, the man can’t do anything right can he?’ First it’s crtisizing because he’s too optimistic and now it’s critisizing because he recognizes it.

    “It depends on whether or not you think it’s easy to be optimistic these days, or whether cynicism is the default” <<< this completely sums up why he can't do anything right. It's hard to be optimistic these days which is why cynics don't trust that emotion lol
    Although I wouldn't go as far as saying "cynics are the blank slate emotion of small-minded people."
    That seems a bit harsh. :s

  17. MsAubra says:

    Well there goes the theory that they’re the same person!

  18. Browniecakes says:

    We’re entering AuTOMn season. Magazine covers, film festivals, talk show couches (hoping for Graham Norton), red carpets, reviews. Seems like he likes to tell stories out of school. More Tilda stories to come.

  19. stinky says:

    i thought Natalie P was fantastic in Black Swan and deserving of her award. It was a very interesting role …

  20. Miss Melissa says:

    The first photo is from the BAFTAs in 2012 I think? He is rocking the Prince Hal look.

    The hotness.

    Hollow Crown, Tom. Come back to me!

  21. Browniecakes says:

    I love him with a beard. Since this isn’t DataLounge I assume I don’t have to clarify that.

  22. Lolly says:

    I can’t wait to see this because I think Tilda is an epic actress.
    What I’m also looking forward to is TommyAnne trying to find a link between Shakespeare and a vampire. Now as a bard fan myself, it’s proving me hard to think/find one.
    My only criticism of him is why Does he take himself too seriously? Isn’t there a famous quote that says, “if you enjoy acting , the audience enjoys the performance”
    This really puts me off him when he does that.

  23. T.Fanty says:

    @SIXER!!!

    TV question: have you seen Black Mirror? Any good?

  24. Olivia says:

    A verbose Tom always causes trouble for someone like me who is from non-English speaking country. Seriously, I need to open an online dictionary to read through his interview!shame on me!(or him?)

    I love 2012 BAFTA Tom!!!!

  25. Tish says:

    I just saw the trailer for Dallas Buyers and thinks that comment is for mcconoughey

  26. Lolly says:

    I see TH is living up to TommyAnna name on twitter. But why do I cringed when he does this? I know his heart is in the right place but …

    • flower says:

      I feel like unfollowing him when he gets like that, yes I know about Syria and everyone knows what has been going on in Syria for quite a while now Tom. No need to blast us all with endless tweets about the suffering and the UK govt not responding to a crisis that is way too much for any human being to deal with.

      And he’s tweeting about this from his fancy house in a fancy part of town on his mac laptop which cost enough to feed at least a few poor families.

      Miss the days of his songs of the day and when he was not so serious, now he just bangs on about unicef. I mean what, not getting a lot of sex this week from his latest lover so he barrages twitter instead?

    • Sixer says:

      I think you cringe because it’s feast or famine with him.

      His twitter has gone from completely over the top (puke-inducing self-help greeting card fluff, embarrassing fan-baiting and humble-bragging) to boring ten-a-penny celeb advertising (shilling developments in his own projects and his pet charity).

      He’s a bright guy. I can never understand why he is so ham-fisted at this stuff. Why he can’t find a happy medium is beyond me.

      • Browniecakes says:

        TH follows ten TH fansites on Twitter. One of them is Hiddlestoners Have Heart. They have started a Unicef fundraiser for Syria with links for the country you may be from. One sentence from Tom on Twitter raises how much cash? This could be why he does it.

  27. Lolly says:

    @Browniecakes isn’t that taking advantage of fans? I can understand it if he’s like Ewen Mcgregor and actually goes out there often to help (not get in the way and blog) i could understand but he seems to only do this if someone else is tweeting about it and it’s trending on twitter.
    I’m not saying he’s heartless but he only seems to ‘care’ when it suits him.
    I also found it odd because a few hours before he was talking about OLLA.
    I would actually give money to his charity thingy if
    A) he is consistent and means it
    B) if he stops mucking around with women in his spare time and heads to these places to properly help out.
    Then I’ll take him seriously

    • Portia says:

      Advantage of his fans for what? The poor and the dying? You do know the donated money doesn’t go to him but to the charity directly. How that is a bad thing or taking advantage of anyone is beyond me. It’s charity not a Ponzi scheme.

    • icerose says:

      Ewan MacGregor also puts out links for donations as have many other stars during the Syrian crisis. Tom’s fans raised £30,000 pounds in his name not only through donations but auctions etc. around his birthday and during the period he was in Africa. Beats bitching any day.

  28. Portia says:

    Really? Really? Miss his songs of the day and hate his banging on about Unicef? Ten a penny celeb advertising? Mucking about with women in his spare time?

    Did you guys see the rows and rows of dead Syrians? Including the babies? Did you see the video of the Syrian man seizing and dying? Do you realize four cities were massacred in one night?

    Hiddleston may be doing second thought Unicef support but I’m not going to say I miss his songs of the day and wish he wouldn’t be ham fisted or that he’d stop having a sex life and only then is he allowed to tweet his support for Syria otherwise I won’t donate to Syria. You’re going to punish them for him being shallow? I see the bigger picture and I’ll take whatever 3 words of support I can get for Syria. I’m not going to do comparisons of which country is suffering worst or whether support should be shown by celebs in person photographed and recorded or thru social media or whether the celeb was onboard from day 1 or day 59 because at the end of the day it’s humans suffering and I’ll take whatever tiny amount of awareness anyone tries to create about it, whether it’s in complete sincerity or for PR efforts. Syria needs all the PR it can get even if its on coattails.

    Seriously, missing songs of the day and calling out his sex life? Exactly how many string of lovers do you think the guy has warming his bed or do you believe those bitter fangirls on tumblr or DL that much with their friend of a friend of a friend stories? And no, him biting his lip and saying “that’s kinda hot” or offering his jacket to a freezing reporter is not proof of him sleeping with every female he comes across. If he was it would get out. Tabloids don’t run scandalous gossip by PR agents for an okay before they print it. It’s printed and then it’s dealt with later. The man got photographed with two women so far as being girlfriends/ fwbs or love interests or whatever and it’s “mucking about with women in his spare time” and “not getting a lot of sex from his latest lover this week”?

    I don’t care if he’s not a celibate monk living out of a hut and wearing jute slippers and feeding the poor with his own hands or that he tweets about a world disaster later, I’m certainly not going to say I miss his songs of the day and hate his banging on about Unicef or beat his presumed orgy every night sex life like a dead horse. That is just petty.

    Call the guy out for insincerity all you want. Nail him to the cross but don’t become any better than him yourself while doing it.

    • flower says:

      I understand charity and have done much of it myself without feeling the need to blast it to the world about doing it so don’t you dare tell me I don’t know nor care about dying and suffering children. I am questioning his motives and why his twitter feed has turned into a 24-7 pr tool for unicef.

      Are we not allowed to question his behavor anymore here without being jumped on by stans?

      • Portia says:

        Because charities need PR too, hence, celebrity endorsements. Otherwise, many won’t care. It’s sad but true. Majority of people don’t care for charities unless someone famous does too. Take that up with the world.

        I’m sure you care about world suffering, Flower but you know how hard it is to take someone’s claims of charity seriously when they talk about it openly and on a type of social media at that too.

        Missing his songs of the day and being bored by his Unicef donation pleas isn’t questioning his motives, it’s being apathetic. Question his motives when Unicef tweets a pic of him in Africa with his stupid plaid shirt. What was the point of that? Was he auctioning it to open another nutrition center in Guinea? Question his motives when he makes a video of himself baking a potato or tweets a picture of every meal for Below the Line and gets excited when someone commends him on cooking a couple of eggs by himself at frickin’ 32. But missing his songs of the day because donation tweets are boring you? Sorry that’s not questioning. That’s just being tacky and tactless and making light of an actual tragedy.

        I’ve said what I wanted to in a couple of different ways and they’re long enough to put Hiddleston’s interview dissertation answers to shame. If you’re still confusing it with stanning then you’ll probably never get it.

      • Sixer says:

        Portia: you’re setting up some MASSIVE straw men there. Don’t conflate knowing or caring about issues with opinions about someone else’s actions regarding those issues.

        My opinion of TH’s twitter usage is that he has gone from one extreme to another, with neither being satisfying. Since he is a bright guy, I find it odd that he can’t seem to get a balance on it (like, say, Ewan Macgregor, as someone else suggested).

        This is separate from:

        a) my opinion on Syria, which is that humanitarian donations are a good thing and military intervention is a bad thing

        b) my opinion on UNICEF in particular, which is that it is good for disaster appeals because it has global organisation and reach and I would consider donating. But I don’t think it’s good for other things because it is not efficient with donated money and is an arm of the UN which I personally see as a busted flush. My general charitable donations would go elsewhere.

        c) Celebrity shilling for charities generally, which straddles a fine line between PR for the celeb themselves and PR for the charity. Celebs who don’t take care to avoid giving the former impression actually turn me off the charity they’re shilling for.

        Please don’t take snippets of quotes from me, mix them up with snippets of quotes from other people who don’t necessarily think the same as me, and conflate them with points I wasn’t making.

      • Portia says:

        @Sixer:

        I combined all points because all three of you were saying the same thing, making the same argument – Tom Hiddleston’s support for Unicef is insincere.

        You’re making your points about Unicef and Syria now but before it was a “pet charity” and therefore not to be taken seriously. And Syria is a disaster situation now compared to how it was in 2011 so if you believe Unicef is good with disaster appeal, why the stink eye to them when Hiddleston tweets for support?

        Ewan McGregor has been at the Unicef game since 2004. The man has had time to adjust and find a medium ground so that now in 2013 you can use him as an example. Tom Hiddleston started at Unicef in Jan this year. He’s from the upper echelon of society and he’s in culture shock and it takes time to adjust to the reality he saw in Guinea. Have you ever faced any 180 culture shock of any kind? How long before you adjusted? I’m sure he’ll continue to do more trips for Unicef and get better with how he creates awareness about it so how about you give the guy a few more years like McGregor before you butcher his twitter account of not having a good balance. And yeah, Hiddleston took his rep team to Guinea. Every celeb who do these trips take their PR teams because the whole endorsement is a legal contract between charity and the celebrity.

        Charity organizations need celebrity PR. It’s a win win situation for both parties involved. Even local grass root level charities use local celebrities to solicit donations and volunteers. Some celebrities are low enough to ask for compensation from their charities for the support but majority don’t and happily lend their name provided it’s not misrepresented.

        It may not be your ideal scenario to evoke empathy but as someone who has seen the difference in donations when a celebrity endorses vs. no celebrity endorsement, it’s a jaw dropping, turn the tides difference. I’ve seen this both in first world and third world countries. Side eye Hiddleston’s intentions and berate him for not playing the Mother Teresa game to suit your tastes but his Unicef support makes a difference.

        And really? Faulting the guy for trying to do a decent thing? Wrap it up in debate rhetoric all you want, you guys just knocked a guy down for asking to donate to a charity without a legit reason. Not cool. Just really not cool. Really scraping the bottom of the barnacle crusted barrel there to make fun of the guy.

      • Sixer says:

        Portia – if you’re just going to continue to put words into my mouth, construct straw men, lump me in with people expressing entirely different views to mine, then this discussion is pointless.

        But be aware: I take exception to people who tell me I’ve said something I haven’t said, done something I haven’t done, or hold opinions I don’t hold.

        Here is what I do think about Hiddles’s twitter account: if he could find a happy medium between fan-baiting and charity-shilling, the charity efforts would almost certainly reach more people. As it is – and you have clear evidence before you on this thread – he is turning some people off. Just as, before his change of focus with the account, he was putting off some people with the self-help guru and fan-baiting content.

        My ONLY point here (except taking exception to you misquoting and misrepresenting me) is that I cannot understand why Hiddleston is so poor at finding this balance as it’s clear he’s both bright and articulate.

        If you wish to take issue with me, take issue with this point and kindly stop attributing your straw men to me.

      • Sixer says:

        Ok, I have thought of a way of putting this very briefly so you can’t possibly misunderstand.

        I am NOT making ANY points about Hiddleston’s support for UNICEF. I am making ONE SINGLE POINT about Hiddleston’s use of his Twitter account.

        Please desist suggesting I am doing anything else.

      • Portia says:

        I did address your issue with his twitter usage. The culture shock statement but let me repeat.

        Hiddleston may be bright and articulate but even the brightest and smartest need time to adjust when they see the ugliness of life in stark naked poverty and starving children. He started seeing the world beyond the end of his own nose beginning of 2013. It’s going to take him time to find that balance, in life and on twitter. No one should compare him to Ewan McGregor because he’s had nine years to find that balance including the luxury of pre-twitter days when communication wasn’t so open.

        Frankly, his twitter has improved. No more hollow second hand words of advice that work only for the male and rich or Loki-centric tweets and retweets. It seems mostly work and charity promo now.

      • Sixer says:

        My last word on this topic.

        You also suggested I personally had made points I had not made and misrepresented me. Please acknowledge this. And hopefully apologise.

        You seem utterly incapable of understanding what I’m trying to say. YOU think his twitter has improved. Yet you seem incapable of acknowledging that OTHERS think it has got worse. They can prefer his old use of twitter if they want. Just as you can prefer his current one.

        I am saying that it’s perfectly possible to find a happy medium that will satisfy both sides and it amazes me that a bright guy like Hiddleston can’t do that.

        I’m not making ANY other point about UNICEF and his support for it other than that. I don’t see why it is so difficult for you to understand this one simple point and continue to defend his support for UNICEF to/against me when I’m not attacking it. Are you seriously infantilising him to the extent that you think that he can’t use Twitter to its best advantage because he saw some poverty? Girl, please.

        Over, and very thoroughly, out.

      • Portia says:

        I’m not apologizing for consolidating my points for three posters in one go. I’ll apologize for saying you trashed the guy for his Unicef support.

        And yeah, I think he’s using his twitter just fine after seeing the poverty he saw. Have you seen third world poverty? I grew up around it in Pakistan and I know Africa which is worse would be jarring for a guy like him. Hell, third world poverty is too much for its own upper class to handle when faced with it.

        You and others “see” a bunch of other things with Hiddleston so what the hey, continue seeing his twitter decline. Maybe he’ll post a song of the day about world suffering and then you guys can really flog him.

      • icerose says:

        Well if you actually followed him you would find he really only tweeted Unicef during and after his visit to Africa which was part of his role,He also tweeted during that live on 5 pounds a day which other better known actors also took part in and used the press to get the word out. And finally he tweeted after the Syria vote as did Ewan and David Morrisy to name a few others. Other wise his twitter is remarkably quiet these days which is a shame because he use to get into some great witty dialogue with other actors and friends. Actors like everyone choose to use twitter as they like. Mark Ruffalo uses his for politics other to amuse their fan base. You can pick anyone to pieces if you want. Witty snark can be fun as long as no one takes it to seriously and realises that it usually lacks a reality check the rest just becomes tedious.

    • Portia says:

      His twitter usually goes quiet when he’s working like it did during OLLA and Thor 2 last year, and since April up until Capa got shelved around mid June, he was researching the role and doing pre-production work. Now he’s working on Coriolanus.

      Compared to the other actors, writers, and directors I follow, his twitter doesn’t seem that off or “unbalanced” as it does to others who see it declining. It’s pretty average with how he promotes his work and his charity (though I am glad not to see the “sky is the limit for everyone” tweets since Unicef). Some actors don’t even tweet unless they’re working on set like Sasha Roiz and David Guintoli. And if Hiddleston talking to his fans is fanbaiting then John Green and Neil Gaiman must be kings of fan baiting. They have millions of followers compared to Hiddleston’s paltry amount and those two are constantly talking to their fans on twitter and tumblr, even retweeting and reblogging their art and projects. Green even has his own YouTube channel.

      I get the jokes about his perceived personality but I don’t get mocking the guy for supporting his charity on twitter. I guess if Hiddleston is the only person whose tweets some one cares for then I can see why they’d scrutinize it so much. Then it’s not so much people like me “infantalizing” his twitter usage as much as others putting it on a pedestal and waiting on pins and needles for his next tweet and getting sad when it’s a work related one.

  29. Browniecakes says:

    I see the Syria tweets about the kids as TH’s reaction to a responsibility he took on with Unicef. I don’t need more celebrities ‘raising my awareness’ either – I find it irksome. I could argue both sides of the reaction. I think TH opens himself up for attack. Clooney, who pays for a satellite over Darfur admits awareness is not even effective:

    http://www.imdb.com/news/ni4111841

    But if people respond to TH’s tweets with donations and get these kids some real help, great.

    • Lolly says:

      When it comes to charity , I’d rather listen to the aid workers working out there than a celebrity who hasn’t . That just me.
      Save the children is a great charity and I have donated through them
      I’m just concerned that some of his younger fans don’t really understand or care about the charity and is just doing it because he says so

      • Portia says:

        You know what? That may be the height of activism for most of his younger fans. Texting to donate a few bucks and retweeting for friends is all some of those kids can do. But like Browniecakes said at least the money is getting there. They need money there.

        I’ve been offended by his live below the line “meager meals” and tweeting pics of them and video of baking a potato but I can’t poke fun or look down at his donate to Unicef tweets. I respect Unicef for what they do regardless of some of their celebrity endorsements.

  30. Lolly says:

    @portia that was how it comes across to me. He has a good heart but I don’t think he’s a saint either.
    His intentions are in the right place but sometimes he does really stupid things that make me doubt being his fan.
    He just has really bad PR.
    Thank you for verbal onslaught , but this is not tumblr where fan groups slag off each other.
    And however I doubt how he conducts himself at times, I’m still his fan

    Ps : I don’t actually care who he sleeps with, I used it as an example, I could of used turning up at an opening of an email if it offends you so much! Unfortunate I can’t edit my last post.
    Also please don’t get aggressive with me, I’m new here and I thought you all were a laugh

    • Portia says:

      I’m sorry but I have yet to see any of the posters here laugh at death, war, or faminie or charity. They laugh at Tom being spineless and needy and clingy for attention or whether he’s really sincere or not. Not whether Syria is sincere or not.

      I’m sorry of you got offended or hurt. Honestly I am. But you saying you won’t donate to a cause, a real genuine cause, because of how Hiddleston may or may not be in real life terrified me. Same goes for the other person missing his songs of the day in comparison to children dying. His bad PR is irrelevant to how bad Syria is suffering. Or any of the other countries Unicef helps. Hiddleston simply contributes some of his time to Unicef like you and I would at a local soup kitchen or shelter. And I seriously wasn’t questioning you being a fan. I was questioning why it’s easy to discard need for help simply because Hiddleston doesn’t appear as sincere.

      Please understand the difference.

  31. Lolly says:

    I’m just questioning wheather it’s a good idea for teenagers who don’t have enough money themselves being tricked into feeling pressured to donate.
    I’m also pointing out the difference between celebs to actually do charity work and those who use it as a PR

    I’m a TH fan but I understand he’s human and not a saint. Sometimes I don’t agree with his motives but that doesn’t make me a bad person.
    And I have donated to the cause but through a different charity after I read an article from an aid worker out there

    • Portia says:

      What pressure? It’s $10 and £5. Not $10,000. Majority of teens can afford that in first world countries. If those fangirls of his can sell out Coriolanus in 20 mins for multiple shows, and many of them are flying into London for that, I’m sure donating to Unicef won’t empty the bank. No one is being conned out of their money here for ulterior PR motives so let’s not draw extreme scenarios of guilt tripping and emotional blackmail.

      As for the PR, charity is charity. Call him insincere or fame hungry, his endorsement and tweets will still get a considerable chunk of cash for humanitarian aid. One has to be really cynical and on a very, very high horse to find a fault with that end result.

      I get you guys don’t think he’s genuine with his Unicef support (or anything really) but man, your choice of words to show that was poor and tasteless. Like really crude. Like “yeah yeah we know about Syria, we know about Africa, boo hoo Hiddles you johnny come lately, can you just not talk about it? Just tweet something navel gazing or nothing at all, posh boy. Give us a pretty song, you piddling puppy!”

    • icerose says:

      Some teenagers have money to spare and I find it a bit disingenuous for people to suggest that teenagers do not know why they are giving money. Being young does not mean you are stupid or uninterested in world affairs. That’s a gross generalisation and scrapping the barrel when it comes to logical arguments.

      • Lolly says:

        I was talking about the SOME of the younger teenagers not all. And like I keep saying, I don’t doubt his support for UNICEF . I know his heart is in the right place- it come through in very small pieces in his blog.
        But I don’t think it’s right that he goes all out on one thing and then suddenly remembers the UNICEF (because someone’s tweeted about it on his feed) and then goes into total overload.
        that’s is my final day

  32. Lolly says:

    @sixer and @flower I completely agree with you. @browniecakes I never thought of it like that and you make some good points.
    @portia I’ve done talking to you as you can only see one view which is your own. I’ll only say this. Read Aid workers articles and blogs and then you will be inspired
    .
    The thing with TH is he goes too overboard and half of it sounds like a copy and paste job and the other and other part of a assignment . He’s a bright man with a heart but when it comes to this , I think he needs advice as its a sensitive issue.

    And that’s my last word on the subject

    • flower says:

      Copy and paste job, that’s exactly the vibe I get from his twitter now and I absolutely agree with you.

      There is nothing wrong with quiet charity, or doing charity for the sake of doing it. Lots of people do charity every day and don’t feel the need to broadcast it. I am a fan, and have been a fan since the first Thor, but his below the line thing will forever rub me the wrong way, and so will the fact that he dragged his irritating, clingy PR guy who is very visual for a PR person along (and also there were two Unicef PR girls on top on that a long for the ride) with him when he should have just left him at home.

      Dear Tom, do charity for the sake of it, not for the sake of attention on yourself.

  33. icerose says:

    You know if people had actually read what Tom wrote they might see that actually put forward the views and work of the aide workers within his diary pieces. No he is not perfect and celebs and charities do not always have a good fit but at least his writing was intelligent and tried to put across the issues as opposed to some celebs who just make “heartfelt” comments and smile for the camera.

  34. Lolly says:

    Looks like TommyAnne DOES go on his tumblr tags. Today he got caught whilst sitting in front if someone at the rush premier. Look at the picture on the link. It’s tumblr http://torrilla.tumblr.com/image/60097433380

    And after more research its a scene from olla