Will Tom Hiddleston get cast as the third Holmes brother in ‘Sherlock’? Sigh.


It’s not looking like Tom Hiddleston will appear at this year’s Comic-Con. Guillermo del Toro is already there, and he’s set up a little “Crimson Peak Experience” booth, and he’s talking to journalists and the like. It looking like del Toro will be the only one in San Diego to promote the film. But wouldn’t it be awesome if Hiddles came out just for a day to surprise everyone? Maybe it would happen.

Anyway, there’s another rumor about Hiddleston going around, so I thought the Dragonflies would like to know (as if they don’t already!). There’s a rumor going around that Tommy will be cast as the THIRD Holmes brother in Season 4 of Sherlock.

Tom Hiddleston is reported to join the cast of the fourth season of “Sherlock” as the third Holmes’ brother. Rumors are going around claiming that Tom Hiddleston could play the third Holmes’ brother, Sherrinford Holmes. In an interview in Brazil, “Sherlock” co-creator Mark Gatiss joked about Tom joining the cast. “Tom would be wonderful in ‘Sherlock. But he only does movies now. What can I say? I’ll ask him if you like,” Gatiss said.

Tom Hiddleston is known for his role as Loki in Marvel movies of “Thor” and “Avengers”. However, he has not commented to these rumors yet. Thus, this remains as a speculation.

Sherlock actor Martin Freeman spilled the beans that BBC favorite TV series “Sherlock” will be doing a Christmas special next year. Reports said that the Christmas special will be based on the story of “The Adventure of the Blue Carbuncle.” However, this is not yet confirmed by the company.

[From Christian Today]

Of course some Dragonfly asked Mark Gatiss about it directly. OF COURSE. For those of you familiar with the Sherlock Holmes canon, I’m sure you’ll be able to correct me, but it was my understanding that Sherlock was the youngest Holmes boy? There’s evidence to suggest that Mycroft and Sherlock had an older brother, I believe. Which makes stunt-casting Tom Hiddleston as a Holmes boy sort of nonsensical – Tommy is the youngest actor out of that group. Anyway… enjoy. The thought of the Cumbercurls and the Dragonfly King on screen together, as brothers.

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  1. Dara says:

    I’ll re-affirm my original thought on the matter from a few weeks ago…. Noooooo!

  2. Camil says:

    The result of this combination is death xD

  3. InvaderTak says:

    *Grabs popcorn * oh this will be fun.

  4. Ari says:

    dayum he looks good with facial hair

  5. GeeMoney says:

    Cue fangirl ovaries exploding in 3… 2… 1…

    • kri says:

      @Gee please no exploding ovaries. I don’t even have my umbrella with me. I like TH. Lovely coloring, great actor. But I’m going with no on this. However, I wouldn’t mind meeting one of the Moriarty brothers. Aren’t they all named James?

      • GeeMoney says:

        Yeah, I think Moriarty’s older brother is named James, as well. Weird.

        But then again, I knew two sisters who were both named Kim. WTF.

        Anyhoo… the likelihood of Cumby and Hiddles coming together as brothers on Sherlock is probably not going to happen. But if it did… you would definitely need that umbrella!

  6. allheavens says:

    Why would Hiddleston do it? Also, his there a third Holmes brother in any of the canon?

  7. Dancinnancy says:

    No. Please no. I worship TW and BC but no. Unless they’re remaking Casablanca I have zero interest in seeing them together again. War Horse was enough.

  8. Froop says:

    Yeah.. I don’t see this happening.

  9. Lilacflowers says:

    This rumor has been floating around for months. Gatiss was asked that question during a Q&A thing with fans and there has been nothing more from any of the parties since so it most likely isn’t happening. As for SDCC, GDT is doing a panel Saturday and Jessica is supposed to attend. Isn’t Luke Evans supposed to attend Saturday for Hobbit? He and Tom could fly in together. Saturday night is also the Marvel takeover of Hall H and Marvel has autograph sessions scheduled throughout the day. Anything is possible.

    • M.A.F. says:

      Add in the fact that him & Gatiss did Coriolanus together so people have been trying to make this happen.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        True, but I would hope that Gatiss and Moffat wouldn’t take casting directions from fan panels and I don’t see what would be in it for Tom.

      • Abby_J says:

        Although I think it isn’t true, I might consider doing it if I were Tom. If it was just one episode, so only a day or two of work.

        It would cause a worldwide EXPLOSION amongst the fangirls (like me!) on the internet, and would probably garner lots of press for everyone involved. Plus, it would get HUGE ratings (not that Sherlock is probably concerned about ratings!)

        I’d let him leave our little nest briefly to film it. I might have to accompany him and Jack Bauer (going as his body guard) just in case someone tries to use that time to steal him from us, and to protect Tom when the Cumby Fangirls make their move to kidnap HIM. You’ll take care of JLM while I am gone, LilacFlowers?

        I, personally, would prefer to see him on Doctor Who for an episode, but that is just me. :)

      • M.A.F. says:

        He definitely shouldn’t rule out any TV work if the script/project is good so I hope Gatiss is wrong on that point. But as for Sherlock, eh. Maybe not as a brother but in another role it could be interesting.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @abby j, yes, I will take good care of JLM. Mark Strong has tripled security since the last kidnapping attempt.

  10. Algernon says:

    Sherrinford Holmes is apocryphal and doesn’t actually appear in a Holmes story. Scholars believe “Sherrinford” was actually a rejected name for the character who would become Sherlock, and a post-Doyle writer of Holmes stories created a third brother to satisfy a dangling thread left by Doyle. Holmes states that his family are country squires, meaning they have a landed estate, but no title, I think. Anyway, with a family estate that needs managing, “Sherrinford Holmes” was dubbed the eldest brother, the one who got stuck out in the country, taking care of the family business, as it were.

    If they use Sherrinford in the show, they’d be going “off book”, and they’re actually pretty good about sticking to Doyle’s canon.

  11. joe spider says:

    re twitter, sorry to be ignorant, but if someone sends you a tweet, how does it (or not) appear on your twitter site? Can you stop them appearing unless you choose them too?

  12. Lilacflowers says:

    @Kaiser, thanks for a Tommy thread to start the weekend. Now, I just need a vodka & tonic and it will be the perfect midsummer Friday afternoon.

  13. Leah says:

    No stunt casting. I’d love to see Tom on TV again but not on this show. No. Yes to the facial hair though.

  14. 'P'enny says:

    No – it’s an old gossip rumour this. Still any excuse for a tommy thread :-) gutted he didn’t show at marvel GOTG prem & I think he’ll give comic-con a miss. Nice to let us remember last year with a big smile. Luke Evans has said he’s going. I don’t think tom is on set every day for ten weeks, but I think his spare days will be testing with actresses for To the Light. But really want some new Papp pictures from High Rise. Come on Ben Wheatley give us some now.

  15. Leaflet says:

    I would totally understand if Tom wouldn’t want to do a television show, but I also think he wants to distance himself from Benedict. If he is turning down the role to distance himself from Cumberbatch because of him being constantly compared to Cumberbatch or because more than a few interviewers mentioned him accepting the Crimson Peak role after Cumberbatch dropped out, I’d say to Tom, “smart move”. Although I know that their both good friends and there’s no bad blood between them, I believe that Tom calculates his career moves and is more careful about “being put in a box”. “Being put in a box”, metaphorically speaking, can be either playing the same type of roles, and it can also be closely associated to always being compared to another actor and always being a particular worker’s “direct competition”. I’m kinda glad that he doesn’t want to do T.V. right now because I’ve seen enough of him doing that with Kenneth Branaugh.

    As a side note, I wouldn’t mind him being a Three Musketeer though.

    • joe spider says:

      Well has he actually said he doesn’t want to do tv or is it just a throwaway line from Mark Gatiss?

      As for the Three Musketeers – that one’s been done to death, sometimes times with dire results.
      Can’t beat the 1973 version: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072281/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_142

      • Leaflet says:

        True. Mark Gatiss could just be being dismissive towards Tom, or he could have already knocked at his door, and Tom could have politely declined. Who knows?

      • 'P'enny says:

        It was a throw away line by gatiss. I think/hope he will come back to TV. Love to see him in a good mini-series again. But not Shakespeare this time. And I hope he does a cameo in Wallander next year for ken B. No more Musketeers!!!! 😅

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @’p'enny, **phone rings** Tosses curls. Isn’t anybody going to get that? Silence. Tosses curls again. Rolls eyes. Places hands on hips. Heaves sigh. “I guess I’ll get it, right after I search this massive database and rescue your daughter again, Kurt, then I’ll be nude sunbathing on the terrace.” Curl toss

      • Leaflet says:

        Two against one, no fair. So you guys wouldn’t consider Tom sexy and adorable in a Three Musketeers costume with his hair and facial hair as posted up above, even if he just dressed up as a Musketeer for Halloween? I would be so excited.
        Okay, I can bend on the Musketeers movie, but if I could choose a book to make a film from starring Hiddleston, it would be Bones of Faerie. Tom would play the abusive dad of course, Zoe Saldanna as the mother, Amandla Stendberg would play Liza and Robbie Kay would play Matthew and Streep would play the Lady. The Zoe and Amandla casting wouldn’t exactly fit the description of the characters in Simner’s book, but in my imagination it works, lol.

      • Camil says:

        I want him in an english or american version of Kuroshitsuji (Black Butler) as Sebastian Michaelis LOL

        His hands are perfect *0* (Of course that’s never going to happen and he doesn’t need another gothic character but, definitely he would be a sexy butler)


      • joe spider says:

        How about Sidney Carton in a Tale of Two Cities?

        “It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known.”

        Not a dry eye in the house!

      • Leaflet says:

        Oooh, that does seem dark and interesting. Pray you tell me the plot?

      • Camil says:


        Kuroshitsuji is set in the Victorian Era. A boy named Ciel makes a deal with a demon and the demon takes the form of a butler, Sebastian, to stay with Ciel. The boy wants to discover his parents’ murderers. Sebastian want Ciel’s soul. xD

        Sebastian is a truly gentleman, charming, clever with beautiful hands and… he loves cats.


        It’s a dark story with funny moments tbh :)

      • jammypants says:

        @Camil, season 1 was such a tearjerker! the way it ended was so poignant. I almost wished it ended on that note because season 2 took away what made the story have depth.

        Also, he would be a great Julian Carax from The Shadow of the Wind. He’s a very tragic, tortured writer type of character. He’s the right age to boot.

      • M.A.F. says:

        No more costume dramas!!! I want jeans, t-shirts, and preferably a shower/wet T-shirt scene damn it. And curls, I want curls.

      • Camil says:


        Oh, the ending is awesome,there is a point when you forget that Sebastian is a demon until that moment. He is so charming that the last scene is brutal in a poetic way. Season 2 is a little out of place, but I think the best part is Alois Trancy, such a complex character!

        Tom reminds me of Sebastian a lot xD.

        Julian Carax would be great :D

      • Leaflet says:

        That sounds great. I’m going to check that out. I actually think ‘Bones of Faere’ will be the next big YA book to hit the big screen because it’s dark, deep, intense and has a lot more to it than a “typical” YA movie. The plot and storyline is strong. It even has nudity in it but the nudity is done with purpose and is definitely essential to the plot. Instead of playing the role of being a victim of the angry and abusive dad, Tom would be the angry and abusive dad in this role. And that, my friend, would be something to see.

      • icerose says:

        @Joe Spider yes to A Tale of Two Cities -I love that book and he would make a beautifully sardonic Sidney Carton. And it is due for a decent remake

      • Isadora says:

        I agree with M.A.F., no more costume dramas. Mind you, I love them, but he has done the horror/supernatural (?) stuff, he was a pirate (kind of.. an animated pirate at least) and I won’t suffer through another swashbuckler movie just for a beloved actor – Alain Delon in “La tulipe noire” was enough. But I’ve also seen a whole movie in a language I absolutely don’t understand just for Alain Delon lol.

        I want to see Hiddles in something with a gun, somehow. Let him be a criminal, a crook or a cop. Or a corrupt cop. Just something contemporary and gritty, with danger and sweat and blood. Yes, I think, I’d enjoy that. And I think it would show a new side of him.

        Personally, I have something in mind for him and Fassbender, that would bring tears of pure joy to my eyes, but it won’t happen anyway, so I try to forget that I ever had the idea. ;-)

      • Camil says:

        I have an idea for a novel and I imagine the two main characters just like Tom and Fassbender. I need them in a movie soon!

      • Isadora says:

        I’m not a writer so it’s not an idea about an original novel, but .. oh well.. I guess I can say it: I would love to see Tom Hiddleston as Humphrey van Weyden and Michael Fassbender as Wolf Larsen in Jack London’s “The Sea-Wolf”. I think they would be perfect for these characters and their strange relationship and I think the material is interesting enough to make a good movie out of it.

        However the novel has already like.. a hundred adaptions lol. So not gonna happen.

      • Innie Outie says:

        @Isadora, I really want to see Michael and Tom together on screen. They have a very different presence, it’d be exciting to see how that would work out.

    • Camil says:


      I have to read that book. I love dark stories :D


      • Leaflet says:

        @ Isadora & M.A.F,
        * Cut, one moment everyone*
        Nun unh, you guys can’t stop me and the cast in mid-production of this movie. As we are already filming ‘ Bones of Faere’ in my head, and we will accept no more exceptions. I kindly tossed out the remake of the Musketeers for you guys because everybody teamed up on me. I have already raised the funding for this movie, and the cast is tired of waiting until I finish addressing all of the noise and indecisiveness. We won’t accept much more of this as Tom, the cast, and I will continue making this with or without your support.
        *Alright, everyone in your places, take two*

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @Leaflet, you promised nudity. There’s nudity, right?

      • Leaflet says:

        Yes, I will deliver on the nudity. I am a director that will keep the storyline as close to the book as possible. However, I regret to inform you that it is not Tom’s character that has to perform the nude scene but Robbie Kay’s as he is playing Matthew. Oh, don’t look too disheartened. I will throw in a few additional scenes of Tommy in a funky old bathrobe that are not originally in the book to make you feel better.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @Leaflet, he’s done funky old bathrobes. You’re going to have to leave the storyline.

  16. pretzel says:

    Please, a massive NO here!! I’m a big hybrid dragonbatch. But no more catering to tumblr fangirls please!! They’ve done that tumblr catering in season 3. Not to mention Hiddles will once agaim be left to be compared to Cumby and how he remains under his shadow. no, no anf NO!!

    • Innie Outie says:

      @pretzel, yes yes and YES to all you’ve said! I used to think that if Mofat and Gatiss (who I respect a lot) pulled their sh*t together after what I thought was a very disappointing season 3 and wrote a decent script for season 4, I wouldn’t mind seeing Hiddles in it. However, I’ve since changed my mind, especially in the light of some recent developments lol.

    • Dara says:

      @Pretzel… the term dragonbatch is perfection! Although Cumberfly has potential also. Do you have to yearn for both actors equally to be a member or can you have a decided preference for one over the other?

      • joe spider says:

        I quite like Cuddles. ( I like it as a nickname too) ;)

      • pretzel says:

        @dara, i started out as a cumber(babe/bitch/whatever you fancy) in 2011 and throughout 2013, i started the phase of becoming dragonfly ( with the generous help of the fellow draginflies here at CB) but at the same time i felt massive amount of guilt for cheating on Cumby. So this year, i went through complete metamorphosis and finally emerged from the cocoon and spread my wings as a Dragonbatch. I encourage all of you ladies to be a part of this new species as it allows you to enjoy both these weirdly alienesque beauties with zero shame and guilt.

      • icerose says:

        Cumberbatch just makes me think of cookies, Cumberflies is okay but pales I comparison to dragon flies. Cumber curls is better Cumberhats

    • jammypants says:

      Dragonbatch lol!!

      I agree about the fangirl catering. It ruined season 3 for me.

    • Dara says:

      Am I the only one enjoyed seeing them acknowledge the social media/fandom semi-hysteria that swirled between S2 and S3? I thought the way they worked in all of the “How did he survive?” theories into the first episode of S3 was actually pretty clever… and laugh out loud funny.

      As for the rest of it, I guess you can count me amongst those that just don’t understand what all the fuss is about. The show is enjoyable to be sure, but it hardly occupies my every waking thought. All in all, I think the entire run has been very uneven, some parts were bloody brilliant and others were just eye-rollingly bad and/or downright lazy – which given the small number of episodes and the amount of time between seasons is unforgivable.

  17. lunchcoma says:

    No. I adore Tom, I like Benedict, and I enjoy Sherlock. This would be an annoying distraction, though. We’ve already had one season that’s spent far too much time on personal angst and far too little on solving mysteries. Adding a new character who’s a family member seems like it would be heading down that road again, and this particular proposal would bring a bunch of distracting fangirling with it.

    • Green Girl says:

      Basically this ^^.

      Besides, isn’t it already difficult to try to find time in BC’s and Martin Freeman’s action-packed schedules to film Sherlock? HOW will they do that with Hiddles, too?!?

    • Isadora says:

      ^^ Yes, I want the mystery solving back! In the end that’s what the Sherlock Holmes stories always were about not mainly about the intricate relationship problems of Johnlock or something.

      • lunchcoma says:

        That’s what captured me as well, Isadora. I liked having mysteries presented with good acting and without police procedural trappings (maybe it’s time for the private detective genre to make a comeback generally?), and I rather enjoyed the admittedly cutesy ways they showed how Sherlock’s mind worked. I even liked the Johnlock stuff…when it was a subplot. When it’s the main plot, it just sucks all the energy out of everything.

  18. Ellen says:

    I might be in the minority but I don’t think it would work well if hiddles joined. It’s kinda Benny’s baby and including Hiddles as a token character might comes across as cheesy. I’d love to see Hiddles back on tv but not with Benny.

    I love the facial fuzz on Hiddles. He looks his best with it I think.

  19. Kaboom says:

    The third brother would have to be the oldest, heir to the estate. Hiddle is too young.

  20. MissMary says:

    The third brother as in “Sheridan,” One of Doyle’s many “DGAF” typos/fuck ups? Nah. Mycroft’s throw away line should STAY a throw away line. Bringing Hiddles in, much as I’m fond of the guy, would just make it into a true circus of wtfery and stunt casting.

  21. TotallyBiased says:

    Well, there’s a tossed off unserious reply to a gossip mill click bait question that turned out to have LEGS! Wonder if Mark Gatiss is regretting his flippant answer yet ;)

    Don’t think MG was being at all dismissive towards Hiddles; honestly think he really didn’t take the question terribly seriously. But now words have been taken out of context and repeated so often that they must be true!

    But no–I fully agree that it wouldn’t be a good fit, though I’d love to see them in something together. Preferably not a remake of anything.

    • Lilacflowers says:

      I don’t think Gatiss was dismissive either. They had just worked closely on Coriolanus when he made the comment and Gatiss seemed to have a healthy respect for Tom but I doubt Gatiss would regret being flippant unless somebody was actually hurt.

      • TotallyBiased says:

        @Lilacflowerslipshoney…. :) (Sorry, your AC name that one time just made me so happy)

        I didn’t mean regret the flippancy, I meant regret tossing out that answer. Because the idea JUST WON’T DIE online. Mangled headlines garner massive numbers of clicks, and all that…

      • fairyvexed says:

        Gatiss wasn’t being dismissive toward Hiddleston: the guy apparently bought everyone a spa day after “Coriolanus.” He likes to take the piss with fangirls, though. One night a fangirl asked him if the cast was coming out and Gatiss tweeted, “I’m already out. And Tom’s straight.”

      • lunchcoma says:

        I think he was dismissive of the idea, because it’s a silly one. Doesn’t mean he’s dismissive of Tom. I had the impression the two men rather liked each other, at least in a professional sort of way.

  22. serena says:

    Oh my god, that would be so.. awesome and hot!

  23. delorb says:

    No. For the love of gawd, no. The show will have jumped the shark for sure if such a thing happened.

  24. icerose says:

    On another note Josh has posted the letter that Tom wrote him after he read the Avengers script and it was adorable and dorky and burdened with glorious enthusiasm


    • joe spider says:

      I wonder what Tom thinks about it being published though? Unless Whedon asked first of course, a bit like I wondered what he thought of Marvel releasing the video of his Thor audition when they did , so long after the film.

    • Isadora says:

      I wondered the same thing. However if the mail came from Whedon (which must be the case unless someone hacked his mail account lol) then it would be common courtesy to ask Hiddleston’s permission first. He probably was fine with it.

      But I wondered who generally has the copyright to these kind of things. So… if I write someone a mail, do I have to just accept it if someone publishes it? I’m not a lawyer, so no idea, but it’s kind of daunting. Not that anybody would want to publish my e-mails lol.

      About the mail itself: LOL. Hiddles really is this very, very enthusiastic guy, right? As this is a private e-mail between him and his director I guess it proves people wrong who see this as his PR schtick only. It’s quite endearing, I think, even if I’d probably whack him over the head after some time if he keeps raving how great and wonderful everything is.

    • Lilacflowers says:

      The email is being published in Whedon’s bio so I suspect he did tell him but once you hit “send” on an email, you have relinquished control. As for the Thor audition, anyone they taped signed away rights. As for the email, it is sweet and fun and uses lots of ellipses so it was probably even longer.

      • 'P'enny says:

        that email was 3000 words long, apparently’ so it’s an edited version but how did the biographer get hold of it? someone has leaked a part of it. Is it an authorised bio? then i suppose that makes sense?

        i wonder what his angry/disagree emails are like? i think Marvel/kevin feign had a very long one about releasing that audition tape. :-p

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @’p'enny, Whedon gave the email to the biographer. As for the audition tape, Marvel included it as an extra on the TDW package because Tom himself had been talking about it sine the first Thor came out and there was an interest in it. He would have signed any rights to it away long ago and I suspect that, instead of angry emails, Feige probably told him over a beer or three after they did the intro together for the blooper reel, and then they both probably laughed about it. Hemsworth’s audition was released too.

      • 'P'enny says:


        love to be a fly on the wall while they had that beer!

        “heh tom, we are going to give the fans what they want, you in a blonde wig going roooar!”

        “ehhehee, and no”

        “extra $1m dollars on DVD sales for you..”

        “done… oh, just one stipulation… show Chris making a fool of himself in a red cape.”


      • Lilacflowers says:

        @’p'enny, it probably also had about 1,000 xs and os for kisses and hugs because they have both said they hug one another constantly.

    • Dara says:

      @icerose, “Burdened with glorious enthusiasm” sums it up quite nicely, as does Joss’ reply – “more articulate (and possibly longer) than the actual script”. The whole exchange is absolutely adorkable…

    • koko says:

      My first thought was, man this guy is well educated. What a note. Then obviously I just wanted to fist bump him…:)

    • Gingerly says:

      Oh, isn’t he verbose. So adorkable. I like the exchange. Tom might have written that email around early 2011 when he was far from famous. Enthusiasm just shines here though I think even now he still writes a wordy, passionate bushiness emails.

      Reading the email, I can understand better why directors keep saying TH is a great collaborator. Not many actors are willing or able to give that kind of feedback on scripts. Joss Whedon must have feel greatly encouraged during the stressful pre-production stage. Yes, keeping those emails sometimes helps, and JW kept the email and even published it. Endearing.

      I would like to Tom’s email to del Toro, too. That would be certainly epic and burdened with or haunted with glorious enthusiasm and shrewd observations.

      • icerose says:

        I just love his modes of expression and the way he articulates his enthusiasm and praise. He really should have a go at writing a film script or play.
        “It’s high operatic villainy alongside detached throwaway tongue-in-cheek; plus the “real menace” and his closely guarded suitcase of pain. It’s grand and epic and majestic and poetic and lyrical and wicked and rich and badass and might possibly be the most gloriously fun part I’ve ever stared down the barrel of playing. It is just so juicy. “

      • icerose says:

        @Gingerly and the paper would be stained with a few drops of tears as he shed drops of fear on every page.
        The other thing that really comes over is his love of villains and tortured characters. So it would be @Del Toro “”Such a gloriously charming, gothic and tortured soul behind a wall of Victorian veneer of wealth and respectability. ” After all he did manage to turn Cassio into one of Shakespeare’s most tortured characters.

        I so want Tom as Sidney Carton @Joe Spider look what you have started I am dreaming about this now. All that unrequited love and debauched living. I was totally in love with Sidney Carton as a a teenager

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @icerose, in some productions of Tale of Two Cities, the same actor plays Carton and Darnay. You could get a double dose of Tom that way.

      • joe spider says:

        @ icerose I can very vaguely remember seeing A Tale of Two Cities when I was very young. It might have been this one, although I thought it was a tv serial:


      • Lilacflowers says:

        @joe spider, I saw one with Chris Sarandon and Alice Kreige.

      • 'P'enny says:

        i’d love to read that email to Del Toro, considering it took less than 72 hours from Benedict dropping out and Tom taking it. He must have written a gothic dissertation about how the fall of Mr Rochester, is somehow similar to the horror genre of Hellraiser. :-D

        You can tell Hiddles did an a-level in film studies, he loves it, loves analysing this stuff. He is a director in the making. He will move into directing one day. He has too much passion for film and how stuff plays out.

      • joe spider says:

        Actually I think the A level was theatre studies.

        Along with Latin, Greek, and Eng Lit of course. Straight As of course. :)

      • Isadora says:

        I’m picturing him now as a male Hermione in school lol. http://tinyurl.com/pv4n25g

      • icerose says:

        @Joe Spider Yes the Dirk Bogarde was probably the best version but it is pretty old and we are ripe for a new film especially as Tom seems to prefer film athe moment

        My daughter had straight A’s in chemistry, biology, philosophy and a near perfect score in psychology and attended a state school. . Plus A in all her O levels except one and triple A’s in Maths and Physics. I think that trumps Tom as lovelt as he is.

        @Lilac flowers yes to a double dose of Tom and he would love playing two roles. Not sure how we work the nudity in but shirtless should be easy

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @icerose, just give ‘p’enny the script, she’ll find a way to work in the nudity. Or, it could be an all nude adaptation. Save money on costumes.

      • 'P'enny says:

        i don’t think my smile could get any bigger at that suggestion Lilacflowers. My imagination is now working in overdrive…mmmmm Salmon on croute anyone?

      • Gingerly says:

        @ icerose. Though I personally prefer astringent humor, those rhetorical flourishes suits Tom’s genuine enthusiasm very well. And I believe that giving appropriate and sincere praise is as difficult and noble as voicing sharp criticism or witty satire.

        @ ‘P’enny, joe spider, whatever his A-level subject was in the past, he might have developed his dissertation on the literary conventions of the British Gothic romance even further during the pre-production period. GDT once said in his interview Hiddles is an ideal collaborator who gets all references the director made.

    • Camil says:

      My sister read the letter and now she loves Tom. Why? Because he said “Thank you for writing me my Hans Gruber”

      She fell in love with Alan Rickman when she watched Die Hard. She thinks Hans Gruber is the best villain ever. Now Tom is a worthy man for her LOL.

  25. From North of Boston says:

    No. Just No.

    Nothing against Hiddles, but I think it would throw the show off. For one thing, it would just be too much precious all in one place.

    Plus, one thing they’ve done well is bring in guest stars who fit the ensemble, and I think TH is just too big a name, too well known in the Sherlock fandom to jump in as a character without seeming like TOM HIDDLESTON HERE – GUEST STARRING ON SHERLOCK! WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE CAN”T WAIT FOR THE MILLION GIFS TO FOLLOW! Not to mention the constant intertwining of BC and TH in the media and forums would get so much worse. (Amanda Abbington was a different situation, because though she was known in the fandom through Martin Freeman, she’s not as big a star as Hiddles, and was brought in to play a character that was known in canon, even if Mofftiss put their own spin on it)

    Plus I love the dynamic between Sherlock and Mycroft, and would not like a third family member brought in. As much as I think Cumberbatch’s parents are fantastic, and did a fine job as the Holmes parents, I kind of wish we hadn’t met them in S3. As far as Sherlock’s backstory/family details, knowing less is a good thing. Too much backstory info kind of spoils the mystique of the character. And adding a brother would just dig more Holmes’ backstory out of the attic.

    Lastly, I think the anchor of any good Sherlock Holmes story is the relationship between Holmes and Watson, in whatever form it takes. Throwing too many characters in with a connection to Sherlock runs the risk of distracting from Holmes and Watson.

    • Kazlock 1307 says:

      @North of Boston
      I agree.I think the whole TH guest starring would be a bad idea.I kind of think it’s a jokey comment by Gatiss and Moffatt that someone has taken seriously.His presence would detract from the established characters to much.If they do decide to introduce a third sibling then it should be perhaps someone not so well known.But not sure if Conan Doyle ever actually wrot,in depth,about another sibling.So maybe the writers/producers will steer clear of it.

      • From North of Boston says:

        ACD didn’t.

        As mentioned upthread, the idea of the possibility of a third Holmes brother didn’t come from the ACD canon. It came from speculation about a name in one of his notebooks (Sherringford Holmes) which some believe was just an early prepublication name for either Sherlock or Mycroft, but other think was a potential family member. And a later scholar thought a third brother was possible since the Holmes’ came from landed gentry, and traditionally the eldest son remained on the family estate to see to it, and with both Sherlock and Mycroft living and working in London…who was minding the farm? (so to speak).

        But, yeah, I’ll be glad if BBC Sherlock steers clear of a third brother.

    • Lilacflowers says:

      If Tom must be a Holmes brother, (which he doesn’t have to be and this whole thing came from somebody asking Gatiss a question months ago), can he be on Elementary instead? I actually prefer Elementary.

    • icerose says:

      @From North of Boston yes to everything. Sherlock needs to get back to solving mysteries and snarky comments.

  26. joe spider says:

    All right folks, you didn’t like my Casablanca Cast but how about Tom for a remake of The Saint,
    or Paul Temple with Lara Pulver as his sidekick?

  27. Leaflet says:

    Can someone please shed some light on why Fassbender isn’t really considered Tom’s or Benedict’s direct competition? I know that Tom and “The Batch” are considered direct competition, but I never understood the reasoning behind this either.

    • joe spider says:

      Is it because Fassbender is just further ahead in his career? I guess he would be first pick a lot of the time because his career took off sooner?

    • Lilacflowers says:

      @Leaflet, I don’t consider Tom and BC competition at all since BC is several years older. I consider Fassbender, BC, and Tom Hardy to be more competition with one another since they’re all in the same age range while Tom’s would be more Eddie Redmayne, Ben Whishaw, Rupert Friend. I don’t understand why BC is constantly thrown at Tom either.

    • 'P'enny says:

      the competition thing is variable, to me, it really depends on the role and the audience it is pitched at. I don’t believe every actor can play any part, sorry Meryl Streep ;-) Fassbender and Cumby have a good few years on Hiddles and have built their careers in different spheres. I don’t really see Benny and Fassbender on course for auditioning for the same roles either, but i can see some crossover with Ben and Hiddles, in “period” dramas. I have a few issues of Benny doing Shakespeare, at the double, for 2015. I thinking he is stepping out of his usual comfort zone of biopics. But, there is room for all. And, Fassy doing Macbeth too this is going to bring out the comparisons in the press all the more! but each have their own calling card, and i think they are raising the game for british acting talent – not since the 80′s have we had this many Brit actors causing such a storm!

      • M.A.F. says:

        I’m very interested to see Fassbender’s Macbeth mostly because when I think Shakespeare, Fassbender doesn’t even register.

      • Isadora says:

        Yes, Fassbender and Shakespeare somehow doesn’t really mix in my mind (mostly because he’s probably the “bad boy” of the bunch whereas someone like Hiddleston is far more the classic “British thespian”), so it’s going to be pretty interesting. And although I’m going to be very very taken with a gritty, ginger bearded, murderous, glowering Fassbender-Macbeth (like, VERY taken *g*), I wasn’t really impressed with his interviews about the role.

      • Innie Outie says:

        In the run-up to – and analysis of – Oliviers 2014 a number of theatre critics were pointing out that Shakespeare is exceptionally in vogue these days in the UK (and they were also criticising the fact that too few new plays and authors are being explored and staged). It seems to me that in the wake of last year’s success of Othello, Coriolanus, Henry V Cumby is hurrying to jump the Shakespeare wagon ;)

      • Lilacflowers says:

        @Innie Outie, Shakespeare is in vogue because it is the 450th anniversary of his birth. We’re even being inundated with Shakespeare here in Boston. Everybody is doing Shakespeare.

  28. joe spider says:

    Has anyone else seen Sienna Guillory’s latest High-Rise related tweet. :roll:

  29. Dara says:

    Fair warning – I’m about to go off-topic, but @’P'enny’s comment above about A-levels reminded me just how confused I am about the English educational system. What exactly is an A-level? And for that matter, if someone could explain why ‘public schools’ are what we Americans would consider ‘private’ that would be super. Not to mention what the hell Sixth Form means, and why English Universities (i.e. Cambridge) are actually collections of separate ‘colleges’ that appear to offer very similar (if not the same) courses of study. Also, if one wanted to study at a university, do you apply to the university in general or to the college? Both? Are you assigned to a college at random once accepted? I’m picturing some wacky Hogwarts hat sorting ceremony so that can’t be right…or can it?

    All of this started when I wanted to know what exactly a double-first in Classics from Cambridge meant and I thought I would find a straightforward answer…silly me.

    • joe spider says:

      Right Dara I will try.

      A state school is one run financed through taxation – ie the state (I think you call this public school!) and is free to all pupils. You would go to one in your local area
      A private school is fee paying. And takes both day and boarding pupils
      A public school is fee paying but the cream of the crop – ie the best of the fee paying schools such as Harrow, Winchester and of course Eton. And widely recognised as such. They are usually for boarders mainly.

      Exams – in England Wales and N.Ireland pupils take their GCSEs (General Certificate of Secondary Education) at 16 – up to about 10 subject grades A-C are considered the level to aim for.

      After age 16 and GCSEs pupils go into the 6th form or to a 6th form college to take (usually) A levels in 3/4 subjects. These are basically the university entrance exams and to get into a top university such as Cambridge or Oxford you would probably need at least 3 grade A (in Tom’s time) or possibly A* now (they only brought A* in recently).

      I think only Oxford and Cambridge have separate colleges – it goes back to medieval (really!) times and they are named after the people who endowed (ie put up the money) in the first place. Other universities are just one entity each. I think you can apply to a particular college or make an open application. Don’t know if you are then allocated a college or not.

      Re a Double First – basically you have exams at the end of the second and third years on a three year course (some are 4 years) if you get the marks for a first in both sets of exams that is a Double First. And from Cambridge that is GOOD.

      The reason it is called the 6th form is that it is the 6th year of secondary school which you start at age 11 so you would be 16/17 in the lower 6th and 17/18 in the upper sixth. You take AS level exams at the end of the year in the lower 6th and the marks count toward the final A level grade which you get after taking your A level exams at the end the upper 6th year. During that year you apply to university – around 5 and you either don’t get an offer or get an offer dependent on grades. ie you can come if you get grades AAA or AAB for example. You then have to choose which two to accept. Then if you get the grades you can go to your choice or if not you see if you choice will take you anyway, or go into “Clearing” which is basically finding out which uni has vacancies and will take you with the grades you did get.

      The reason why they are called public goes back into the mists of time – I suggest you google that to get a better explanation than I can give.

      Totally confused now? :)

      • Dara says:

        So confused! I appreciate the explanation but confess I had to stop reading several times to let my brain cool off as it was overheating from the effort involved in trying to keep everything straight. Main question then – what constitutes a ‘First’? Highest achievable score or highest score among fellow exam takers?

        I think my main confusion arises from the whole notion of a single exam being the basis for your final grade (if I’m understanding you correctly). Here in the states, we are graded/scored on our entire body of work throughout the entire course – it could be part of a year, or the whole year, depending on the school. How high you score on final exams is usually only a percentage of the overall grade in any particular course or subject. It could be the largest portion of your grade, but other factors (writing assignments, lab-work, etc.) are usually factored in to final grade.

        Of course there are exceptions – I attended a very progressive college that didn’t give tests or grades, for philosophical reasons. How can you attach an arbitrary value to how well a person has learned something? You might even do harm to their delicate psyches if you suggest they are better/worse than their fellow classmates by comparing the quality of their work to that of their peers. Is it ironic that for many years the school made the ‘Best Colleges in the Country’ lists? Hmm, that last part sounds a little humble-braggy…apologies to anyone I may have offended by implying I consider my education better than yours.

      • icerose says:

        Double A refers to getting an A in two main subjects at uni as opposed to a degree in physics with a secondary subject. Normally if you do a secondary subject it is not as labour intensive as a double. My daughter got a double first in Zoology and Psychology which made she studied both to degree level and received A’s in both subjects Her degree was the only double degree which includes psychology in the UK which is recognised for entrance into clinical Psychology. Tom got his in the Classics and Latin, Both Tom and my daughter are way smarter than me.

        @Dara my daughter had to sit exams in both subjects at the end of her 3 years but her dissertation was a research study which counted across both subjects. So basically she had to get A status in all three to get a first for both degrees. I think if I remember correctly her second year results were also factored into the mark. I think they contributed 20 per cent but I would have to check that with her.

      • Dara says:

        @icerose, I am both impressed and humbled by your daughter and her achievements – absolutely amazing.

      • Lady Macbeth (Hiddles F) says:

        @icerose @joespider

        First year marks don’t count towards final mark anymore (thank God, given that mine are quite bad!).
        Cambridge and Oxford are not the only universities that have several colleges under the same ‘banner’ in UK, although I agree it is not that common.

        And joe, thanks for the explanation, very informative (I go to uni and I don’t even know these things *facepalm*)

      • Janeite says:

        Joe Spider-
        Thanks for all that info and for taking the time to explain it to everyone.

        Icerose-I’m impressed by your daughter’s achievments too. Bravo!

        Dara-not sure if all post graduate degrees work the same but I know that when I was in law school, our final grade for the entire semester was dependent upon our performance on one written exam. It was stressful!

      • Dara says:

        @Janeite – Wow, one exam? Kudos to you for getting through it. I’ve always been a good test-taker, it was my grades that were rubbish (which is why a college with no grades was REALLY appealing) but I think I would have lost my mind if I knew everything came down to that one exam.

    • JulK says:

      The British system is confusing and University of Cambridge (and Oxford) the system is even trickier.
      For admissions: For both, you first need to be accepted into the University. After you have been accepted by the University you apply for a College. You usually apply to several as you need to go and interview at the colleges and they have traditions and inclinations. Typically, Colleges committees pick profiles of students (combination of grades, personalities, ambitions, etc) that they feel best represent the motto, traditions, values, and history of the college. Several of Cambridge Colleges are just for graduates (Masters and Ph.Ds) other accommodate undergrads as well. For example, Pembroke College takes undergrads and has certain profiles when accepting students. Their programs are very broad and they have very good traditions in History, English, Physics and Biological Sciences. Pembroke College has a knack of picking students that are multidisciplinary and has a very cosmopolitan base (loads of foreigners). During a student stay in Cambridge, the student will house, dine and follow the traditions of the College he/she is in. One of such traditions is they have formal hall everyday, in which students formally dress and wear their gown to come down to dinner (their dinner menu always includes some custard base dessert as well. Something that is a source of complaint and/or love for many at the college). Every year they also have May Ball (like many of the big colleges in Cambridge) in June, which is a big all night celebration where students and professors dress up and have a huge dinner, dancing, and of course, loads of drinking. Students look forward to this event. It’s also always coupled. (your ticket is for two so you loads of planning is also required ;-) )

      There are many colleges in Cambridge and they run themselves “independently”, but they need to go by the Universities rules, standard, and curriculum as it is the university that assigns degrees and determines whether the student graduates or not. A Cambridge “Double First” originally referred to a first in two different Triposes. Triposes being one or more Parts and you need to complete a number of Parts in one or more Triposes to qualify for the B.A. degree, its similar to credits in the US system.

      For example, the Classics department in Cambridge divides their Tripos I in 3 parts. The first part is Greek or Latin, the second and third parts the student has more options and they have a very wide choice of subjects that go from Classical Literature, Ancient History, Classical Art and Archaeology, Classical Philosophy, and Linguistics. You can pick one of these subjects to specialise in for your part II of Tripos. Tripos II includes 4 different “paper” or reports that the student must complete. To get a double first you will have to pass both Tripos with outstanding score.

      Basically Tom got perfect scores in three examinations that consist Tripos I and four papers or written reports (or three papers and a thesis) in Tripos II. The system is very similar to the Cum Laude or Summa Cum Laude that some universities in the US have. In Harvard for example, you get Cum Laude when you graduate with a 3.50 GPA and Summa Cum Laude when you get 3.76 or higher. The GPA is calculated by points assigned to letter grades A =4, A- =3.67, B+ =3.33, etc.

      Sorry if I extended myself so much. Hope it helps.

      • Dara says:

        @JulK – very helpful, thank you! I still don’t think I have it all sorted, but I’m getting closer. The more I learn, the more impressed I am and no wonder every interview/article finds a way to mention it. If I had earned a Double First I’d probably tattoo it on my forehead…or at the very least have a t-shirt made up or something.

      • Janeite says:

        Thanks for that, Julk! I’ve always been a bit confused about how all the various colleges at those universities work. And formal dress for dinner every day-wow! That’s impressive. I like the idea of the May Ball too!

      • Isadora says:

        @JulK: How long are these 4 papers? I’m just wondering because requirements to get a (Classics) degree seem to be so different.

        What I find most impressive about Tom’s double first is not his obvious intelligence but the discipline, hard work and organisational skill he must have to achieve all that while pursueing acting (and possibly having a bit of student life) on the side. I’m horrible with these kind of things…

      • Lilacflowers says:

        Between the dress uniforms at Eton and formal dress for dinner at Cambridge, it is understandable why he looks so comfortable in a well-fitted suit.

    • Anne tommy says:

      So much info below but the public thing …think it’s because the so called public schools were not religiously founded, i.e. operated by monks, nuns etc, and they weren’t tied to a particular trade as many were- for example the Coopers School in London – I went to the girls’ equivalent – was linked to the Coopers or barrel makers

    • sigh((s)) says:

      Dara- I believe a double first is what we would call a double major. It is quite confusing, isn’t it? I rather like the idea of only taking certain subjects, as opposed to our system of having to take everything, whether you’re good at it or not. Advanced Math still makes me run screaming in the other direction.

  30. joe spider says:

    More compliments about Tom plus Del Toro says he will be there next year.


  31. TotallyBiased says:

    You have to love GdT, especially talking about Tom. Sounds like he really rocked Hall H with the footage and his comments.

    ” He promised to return to Comic-Con with more before the 2016 release.
    “Next year we’re going to come back. You’re going to get me, but also Tom F–king Hiddleston!” del Toro said. “Tom Hiddleston is so f–king nice. It used to be in the past you were either nice, or you were good-looking and an a–hole.” “

  32. joe spider says:

    Bit late but hey icerose you have one clever kid!

  33. joe spider says:

    love Tom in that bottom picture.