Workout buddies! @justinbieber & @KendallJenner hit the gym together this weekend: http://t.co/4KnHo2bYUP pic.twitter.com/ImZKBq1sLd
— Just Jared Jr. (@justjaredjr) May 11, 2015
This twitpic shows Kendall Jenner (of the well-educated Kardashians) arriving at the gym with Justin Bieber. Kendall’s t-shirt very prominently displays the Confederate flag in one corner. You can see more close-up pictures here. It’s been awhile since a young starlet pulled this type of ignorant move. Peaches Geldof did so almost exactly 5 years ago, but at least she (as a Brit) could feign ignorance of U.S. history. Kendall has no such excuse, even as a graduate of the Kris Jenner school of homeschooling. The background of the Confederate flag is well known. More recently, Kendall’s brother-in-law placed the flag on his Yeezus merchandise. Kanye knew perfectly well what he was doing, and Kendall should know too.
The folks at Refinery 29 point out that Kendall’s t-shirt is a replication of a 1970s Lynyrd Skynyrd concert shirt. In 2012, the band attempted to publicly distance themselves from the flag’s racist symbolism. Then they backtracked and decided to use the flag anyway because of what “the Dixie flag represents and it’s heritage; the Civil War was fought over states’ rights.” Lynyrd Skynyrd is using the ol’ “Southern pride” justification to excuse their support of a racist symbol. Kaiser has spoken before about how she frequently sees the flag in her Southern state. I have also seen it here in Oklahoma. Racist tools are still everywhere.
Kendall is probably dumb enough to not know the implications of anything she wears, ever. She’s made a habit of sporting old rock ‘n’ roll t-shirts (like a Megadeth tee at Coachella) in an hipstery way. She doesn’t actually care about the music, she’s trying to appear ironically disaffected and cool. This latest t-shirt just happened to contain the Confederate flag. Ignorance is never an excuse. Is it too late for this family to take some history lessons?
Photos courtesy of WENN
I highly doubt she is making a political statement. She just picked a shirt out of her closet and put it on…chalk this one up to ignorance.
It’s pretty unfair to make claims in general she doesn’t have a brain or think and then when it suits to bash claim she thought enough about an article of clothing and supports its terrible history and message.
So, I agree with you. Total ignorance.
*And i’m not saying all who wear that flag are supporters of slavery and racism. When I lived in the south it was explained to just be a reference to the past and not specifically slavery and racism.
Yes, a racist slave-owning past. I am sorry, but people who claim that know better especially if they live in the South. The South left the Union to become the Confederacy over the idea of states rights TO HOLD SLAVES. Read the founding documents of the Confederacy and it is clear as day.
FLORC, this is not all on you, but that tired excuse drives me crazy
I’m betting it wasn’t black people who explained that meaning to you.
Ignorance is not a pass on these things, especially when one considers how damn priveledged the girl has been her whole life.
The government subsidizes education through high school. Library service is free of charge. A lot of people in the world don’t have that, and work hard to not be ignorant dipshits. It probably was ignorance, but hardly ‘just ignorance.’ Where would we be if younger people all chose to be as impervious to basic knowledge as she is?
The people explaining it that way were screwing both you and themselves out of an honest interpretation of the flag’s meaning. They might even believe the lies they tell, but make no mistake, those people lied to you right in your face. I’m not gloating and I’m not surprised that they did it, they do it all the time.
The South “fighting over their states rights”=their rights to own black people as slaves lol it wasn’t about anything else. This form of “Southern pride” represents very racist ideals. If you are knowingly wearing a confederate flag because you’re from the south you don’t get any kind of pass.
Also I think it’s a bit different for a black person to try and “reclaim” the confederate flag (as Kanye was trying to do) and a white girl to wear it as fashion. I don’t agree with Kanye doing it because i think all symbols of the confederate flag should be destroyed but as a black person it is his right to try and reclaim racist things as he sees fit.
I do not understand this “reclaiming” bit. Kanye can’t reclaim the Confederate flag, neither he nor his ancestors created it so he can’t reclaim what isn’t his. Black people pretend to reclaim the “N” word as a term of endearment but curse whites for using the same word. Stupid.
Thanks for all the enlightening posts, everyone. I grew up in Australia, and the teaching of American history was minimal, but even I’ve known the basics about this issue. My own interest led me to discover more. There is no way I would wear such a symbol, not even as a (very unworldly) teen. I think this girl is under-educated in the basics, much less the important historical events of America. Thanks to her uninterested parents, she’s as dumb as a box of rocks. I agree that she doesn’t care, or even care to know about the music; it’s all about “look at me”, fashion and cool factor for her. I hope she learns something from all these experiences, because it’s never too late, and always a good thing, to explore and learn from our silly, ignorant and offensive behaviours.
@clevelandgirl – agreed. I doubt she even knows what “Confederate” is to begin with, let alone the flag or what it stands for. Let’s not forget, this family doesn’t value education.
Lets not forget the girl admitted she can barelt read.
She knows. She wanted people to talk about her and here she is. No one is that dumb. No one.
She looks like she had the kardashian special. Tweaked
It bothers me how lackadaisical people are about displaying the confederate flag. They wouldn’t be this lax about displaying or wearing a swastika. I think that it is too late for this family to display anything resembling decency, awareness or sensitivity.
I think, in this case, it’s simply a lack of education on display. I know, shocking, isn’t it? At this point, everything about this family is offensive.
I think that you may very well be right, but in my mind it doesn’t make it any less objectionable. I feel very afraid for North in this family, and for Kanye too even though I think that he is an idiot and is being willfully ignorant. This family hurts my head.
I am sure it was as you described but would you say that if it was the swastika? Because it’s the same thing and she wouldn’t be that crass.
I’m sure she is just to dumb to think about the historical and emotional implications of the flag but she should.
@Debbie
I didn’t mean to imply it isn’t offensive. Sorry if that’s what you took from my comment.
My mind originally read your comment as “I feel really afraid for the North in this family…” hahahahahaha stupid brain 🙂
I agree I doubt she knows what the confederacy stood for let alone recognizes the flag as a confederate flag, but how does anybody in America over the age of 12 not know about the Civil War and what the Rebel Flag represents? The Civil War is covered in 5th grade (age 11). There’s no excuse for that level of stupidity. Perhaps when buying T-shirts with graphics, the purchaser should be aware of what they mean and what they imply.
Side Note: I know those boots are killing her pinky toes.
I am going to have to go with ignorance here. Doubt she has a clue.
Agreed. I am from the South and to wear a confederate flag in California like that on a shirt goes completely unnoticed. On another note, I have a friend’s new husband a huge (HUGE) confederate flag as a housewarming gift, AS A JOKE because he went to Ole Miss. And there is tradition there. He hung it in the garage of their new home. Thankfully we are still friends. I don’t think the flag made their one year anniversary.
I’ve lived in CA all my 48 years and people do not wear the confederate flag here unless they’re clueless twits named Kendall. Maybe back in the day, you would see the Skynyrd shirt but no such t-shirt would have passed dress code at any of the public schools I attended here. Maybe there are people in the south that think it’s okay to fly this flag, people in the west do not, and you do not see it displayed here.
I live in the south and people fly it pretty regularly down here. Being from the north, it’s hard to suppress my desire to yell “you lost!” sometimes. 🙂
To be fair, she’s in California, and I’ve seen many a flag in upstate NY, Idaho, and Michigan.
When I was a kid, one of my neighbors used to fly one- in New Jersey.
I think she is too uneducated (and dense) to understand the problem, and her mother knows it will get attention so she doesn’t care.
I hear you. My hubby’s family is in East Tennessee and the confederate flag flies everywhere down there. Ironically, East TN fought for the Union, yet every fool that flies in their yard or affixed to their vehicle or wears it on a piece of clothing proclaims their heritage. I just want to yell at them that their ancestors and fought and died for the Union, the fools.
This kills me. Know your history, people! And if it is bad, don’t hide from it (ahem, Ben Affleck) be better than it!
I am an Atlanta transplant from Chicago. The redneck culture (of some) is horrifying. The embracing of ignorance and clinging to perceived glory days can be over the top. I remember watching the laser show at Stone Mountain, and asking my cousin – they know they lost the war, right. She responded – Ssh, they don’t know it.
To be clear, I’m specifically referring to redneck culture. The whole “get ‘er done”, and deliberately using poor grammar for affect.
*effect.
Even the state of New York was a slave state until the late 1700’s Slavery has been around since the beginning of time. It wasn’t invented in the southern U.S. So to be thoroughly self righteous, you’ll have to condemn the history of every country and region.
I am more offend by those hideous knee high… sandal boots… with the black rabbit tail hanging off the zippers.
Yes but I COVET that jacket.
In the pictures, I think I was more confused about her going to the gym with gold heals…. I guess she does pilates of yoga??
“Is it too late for this family to take some history lessons?”
Shave “to take some history lessons” off that question and you’ve got it exactly right.
Kylie has been in the news lately, now Kendall with this. I am waiting for some story about Khloe ,before Kim has had enough of being ignored. She must have some bombshell( in her head anyway) announcement to make so the focus can be on her again.
This!
When I was younger, I used to defend people who wore the Confederate flag, because I thought it represented a place, not the history of that place. As I matured, I realized that you can’t separate the two. You can love where you’re from, but hate the history. And the bottom line is that no matter what it represents to you, it represents a horrific aspect of human nature to many people, and it offends and/or hurts them. So don’t wear it.
As for Kendall, I have smarter houseplants. I doubt she thought it through or even thought, period. Not to excuse her. I’m sure she will blunder through life like this forever, with her great education and role models.
This. Thank you.
‘ And the bottom line is that no matter what it represents to you, it represents a horrific aspect of human nature to many people, and it offends and/or hurts them. So don’t wear it.’
Yes! Exactly.
As a lifetime southern I agree. As a child I remember some people would fly the national flag of the Confederacy and that has always seemed like a nice compromise to me. Though the national flag certainly flew over slave states it wasn’t appropriated by such hate after the war as the naval battle flag was.
“You can love where you’re from, but hate the history.”
THIS!
Yes, that. That is pretty much how it is. It is more a “rebel” thing than a political statement.
I would guess it’s a combination of dumb and famewhore. She doesn’t know what the flag means but after that Kanye scandal, she can probably tell it’s offensive and in a Kardashian world – anything offensive is worth wearing or saying as long as it’ll bring attention to them.
“Dumb” and “offensive” sum up my feelings about the entire family in general, so…
Can we bash the makers of the shirt as well? It’s a replica of a shirt from the 70s, and the flag could have easily been left off.
I know nothing about the flag thing but is this girl REALLY a supermodel? I mean, she’s certainly pretty, like I was pretty at her age, but I’m not feeling the model thing. Except for the long legs. She does have very long legs.
I think she looks gorgeous and really like a model in these pictures.
Word. She’s happening.
As a fellow Aussie, (I think I’ve seen your posts before, & recall you being Australian) Im assuming the Confederate flag is similar to our Eureka, probably has an even uglier history in regard to race relations, but is the flag flown by racist wankers these days. Think of all the idiots that tattoo the Southern Cross on themselves here, in some deluded patriotic move, (also not realizing many other countries fall under this constellation) that would definitely fall under the ignorant, & most probably racist banner.
But yes, Kendall does have some legs 🙂
It was the official flag of the Confederacy during the Civil War. A war fought over “state’s rights”…specifically the ‘right’ to own, abuse and torture other human beings.
I am not seeing ‘model’ either. Most real models wear almost no makeup. She is wearing a truckload of it and her face is still just basically round. I’m not saying she’s not very pretty, she is, and she has a fantastic body. But it takes more than that to be a model.
I went to a football game at Ole Miss in the late 80’s and during half time they rolled out a confederate flag the size of the field! I was stunned at the shruggs I received when I was incredulous at the insensitivity of it.
ESPN had a really great special about the Mannings, and one thing that struck me was during the footage of both Archie and Eli taken at Ole Miss, the Confederate Flag was waved prominently in the stands. It was really pretty shocking.
The confederate flag was still associated w the university during Archie’s time there but was banned when I was a child ad was definitely not in the stands when Eli was in school. If one appears in the stands it is promptly removed by security. there are still plenty of dum dums who fly it throughout the south but I’m thankful Ole miss has officially distanced itself from such a hateful symbol.
The football coach at Ole Miss a while back actually came out asked that people stop waving the rebel flag because it was hurting the recruitment of Black players. Would you as an African American football player want to go to a school where you score a touchdown and the crowd’s show of appreciation is to wave that flag, which stands for state’s rights AND slavery. Not when you can go somewhere else and that won’t happen. With that being said Ole Miss is not tone deaf. They’ve changed their mascot from Colonel Reb to the Rebel Black Bear, which I think is a step in the right direction. I’m more offended that the Rebel flag is still a part of Mississippi’s state flag. That is a bigger slap in the face than anything Kendall Jenner wears on a t-shirt. But as people mentioned this happens all over the South. I went to LSU as an undergrad and there was a controversy about people waving purple and gold rebel flags when I went there and I started as a freshman in 2005. Some people couldn’t understand why Black students, myself included, were offended by it when it represents owning slaves and it’s a sign of an old South mentality that it’s ok to treat Blacks as less than. Plus gee I don’t know maybe because the first Black student couldn’t attend the university until 1953 (A.P. Tureaud who left without graduating) and my grandmother couldn’t attend the very university I graduated from.
When I was in college in the early 2000s (I went to York College in PA) there were people who had huge Confederate flags hanging up in their dorm rooms. People only got in trouble if they had them in the windows. I couldn’t believe it. I went to a frat party once and they had a huge flag hanging down in the basement.
Something tells me she probably cannot name one Lynyrd Skynyrd song, and while she probably doesn’t know about the the Confederate Flag and what it stands for, I believe in this day and age, you wear the Confederate Flag in any form, you are making a political statement whether you mean to or not. It does not stand for heritage, but for hate. It stands White Power and states that Black Lives Don’t Matter.
This! Yes, I could not have said it better.
Thank you for this.
Agreed
Yes exactly! And I am so fed up with the fact that that dreadful Lynyrd Skynyrd song is still being played over the airwaves here in Europe, with its condescending and rude phrase, “I hope Neil Young will remember, southern man don’t want him around anyhow” (or words to that effect; a crude and ignorant rebuff to Neil Young’s rightly critical song, “Southern Man,” about the south, the civil war, and slavery.) Sometimes I just want to call the radio station and say, “dafuq???!!! Do you have any idea what this _means_?” Kendall Jenner either doesn’t know, in which case her ignorance beggars belief; or she does know and doesn’t give a cr@p. I don’t know which is worse.
And, BTW, I don’t know anyone who finds her remotely attractive.
This is pure ignorance imo. A bit like when Kim wore the Iron Cross on her dress to that Gala in Austria. Whoever gave them the clothes know the meaning behind them, but unfortunately the Kardashians/Jenners education seems a bit limited here.
I live in a southern state and everyone here believes that the civil war was about states’ rights and has nothing to do with slavery. The confederate flag is everywhere. They are also incredibly racist and freak out if they see a biracial couple. These people are uneducated idiots and it makes me sad that so many of them still exist today.
Well, you are making a lot of assumptions about “everyone” from the south. I would encourage you to get out more. I have grown up in the south and I know very few people like the ones you describe. And, for the record the most racist person I know (he has no problem saying the n word) is a neighbor who moved down here recently from New York City.
Seriously? You’re attitude about millions of people isn’t great either. Not stereotypical or anything at all.
I agree with Alice. I live in Jacksonville, FL and depending on where we go, my husband and I get plenty of looks. We were at Hardees. These two guys were staring at us. I gave them the benefit of the doubt. That is, until one of the guys went to the soda station, stood there, and stared at us until he was sure we noticed. I looked up from my salad, smiled and went back to eating. I have had a customer on a test drive tell him how he loved where he lived, there’s no n*ggers there. If we go to the Town Center, which is an upscale shopping center, there are plenty of different races and no one really looks at us. But depending on where we go, we sometimes get looks. A couple of mechanics at my job fly Confederate flags in the back of their jacked up pickup trucks. To be frank, I feel like people would probably be more open about or actually say something to us besides staring, but I think the fact that my husband is 6 feet 2 and 240 pounds is probably a deterrant. I could go on and on and on. No offense, but I think the racism is more apparent in the South than in other areas. Yes, there are racists everywhere, but it’s more subtle outside the South.
Wow. That’s appalling. Sorry you had to go through that.
aww, thanks, Kitten. but you know, I have been surprised by the amount of people who, on the other hand, give me compliments on the picture of my husband and I that I keep on my desk.
That’s really awful! I seriously have to side eye people who say things like racism doesn’t exist. My friend’s mom cleans houses, and one of her clients was this awful old racist woman. She had mammy dolls on display all over her house and told my friends mom that she fired her last two maids because they were stealing from her since they were both black and could not be trusted. The sad thing was is that her daughter was the same way, but her son couldn’t stand her and wouldn’t let his kids around her since she was so ignorant. All these people praised her daughter for being so nice to her mom while attacking her son for turning his back. Sometimes you just have to turn your back on stuff like that. She eventually told my friend’s mom she was moving and would not need her to come clean anymore. My friend’s mom said “oh are you getting a smaller house?” (she lived in a huge mansion in Phoenix, MD) and this woman said “oh no my daughter and I did our research and we are moving to Oklahoma because there are hardly any black people there. I’m so tired of going around the inner harbor and seeing them and angry at the fact that they have made there way to the county.” This evil witch died last year, and I couldn’t feel sad. Your comment about the man saying he was glad to live where there weren’t a lot of n—–s made me think of this lady.
I am sorry that happened to you, too. I totally believe you, but in my experience in the south I have seen more interracial couples than anywhere else. Maybe it depends on which area you live in, or maybe jerks are just scattered everywhere. I have also experienced the dirty look thing when I was out at a restaurant with a black guy friend (in Washington, D.C.). A big, burly white guy was just staring us down and I mentioned it to my friend who had to explain to me why we were being glared at. It never occurred to me it was because I was white and he was black…I mean, who gives a f**k?
I’ve lived in the South, the Midwest and the Northeast, and there’s just as much racism in the latter two as in the South. It might be more hidden–and more insidious–but it’s there.
Very true. Lived in the South and the West Coast. Only difference is people in the West hide their racism, whereas in the South they are more outright with it if they are racist.
I live in a southern state and I don’t know a single person who sports the confederate flag. I’ll VERY occasionally see a sticker on a truck. In addition, there are plenty of interracial couples with biracial children and no one seems to think twice about it, much less freak out. These people are educated and open-minded. I don’t know where you live, but I’m in a state that is regularly mocked for being backwards… but people do learn and you can’t paint the south with the racist brush anymore.
I’m a black woman that lives in alabama, and I’m sorry but yes they can paint the south with the “racist brush”. A vocal minority of racists earn it everyday, and the majority that stands by pretending it’s not happening totally justify the racist brush.
Sorry to offend you miss B but my statements refer to everyone I have met in Kentucky not everyone in the south. I live in a very racist area and I’m sorry you are so offended by my experiences. By the way where do you live? If you want we could meet up and I could give you a tour-honestly.
I know many black southerners that will tell you they’ve encountered more overt racism in the north than they ever did in the south. Racism isn’t just a southern thing.
I’m not offended by your experiences, just your generalizations about the south. But, if you are just speaking about your area, then I apologize for misunderstanding. I would consider Kentucky more Appalachian than southern though. I grew up in SC, a state that is not perfect, but I love it. By the way, the state has prosecuted 4 police officers for shooting unarmed black men the last couple years, so a southern state has been doing something that non-southern states like MO and NY couldn’t.
Those boots are offensive.
But I love the MC jacket.
MUUURRRICA! Freedom and amendments and such…
@sarah is it weird that I said ur post out loud and laughed?
🙂
that’s usually my reaction to such nonsense
It’s offensive because she is so dumb.
If she even has a clue about the history behind it (because let’s face it-it is unlikely that she is a Lynrd Skynrd fan), I’m sure the forthcoming excuse is along the lines of “you guise, omg, like my sister’s husband is black and he like, totally has it on his fashion line so it isn’t racist or whatever”.
No matter what, I’m sure she will be crying over all the free publicity she will get over this.
This! Regardless of intent, the level of dumb is offensive in itself.
I am sure she didn’t mean to offend, but the Confederate flag is offensive. As a PP.mentioned, would she get a pass if it were a swastika?
These Jenner girls need to get a education, at least a basic one.
With all the anti-semitism going on in the world now, she probably would get a pass.
Just a quick reminder of what Stephen Colbert would think of this!
http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/2sml1x/-accidental-racist–song
I say it’s ignorance and doubt she knows anything about our nation and it’s history. She is after all a graduate of the PMK school of famewhoring, where history is irrelevant and unnecessary. And after seeing a street interview video where people her age had no idea what WWII was, it’s not a surprise.
Here in virginia I hear it too: heritage not hate. Open your history books fools, slavery was a big issue and an underlying one that. no one wanted to bring to light because of the lack of support the south would get. States rights yes, states rights to own slaves.
I live in AZ and I still see it from time to time. When we first moved to America my mom put my brother in a shirt with it on it that she had gotten from a thrift store. She cried when our neighbor explained it to her. My mother was chinese and came her to flee some of the ethnic cleansing in China in the 80’s. There’s true ignorance, then there’s uneducated stupidity.
Neither. Now Che tshirts? That this one is “offensive” but Che is some symbol of “the struggle” shows how illiterate a society we are regarding true history as opposed to the Hollywood whitewashing of it for political gain.
Yup, it’s all Hollywood. Wave that flag loud and proud and sing the ol’ country songs and remember the good ol days when the cotton was picked clean and everyone knew how the world was supposed to be.
Oh excuse me, lest anyone be confused. Sarcasm sarcasm sarcasm.
How is Che more offensive than the Confederate flag?
O…kay…
It’s also about winners and losers. I imagine many people look at the U.S. Flag with the same amount of revulsion, but I still love it. Some southerners feel the same way about the Confederate flag. But at the end of the day, this chick is just wearing a reproduction band t-shirt. I can’t even pretend to be outraged about it.
The Che shirts are more offensive and almost hilariously ironic in their complete contradiction of what Guevara stood for.
I’m not “outraged” by her wearing the shirt, though having lived in the South for a fair part of my youth, I roll my eyes at the “it’s our heritage!” argument. So is the lingering racism endemic to this nation as a result of the slave trade, but Southerners always like to gloss over that.
a Kardashian acting like a professional troll. What a shock.
And this is why you should stay in school kids!
“the Dixie flag represents and it’s heritage; the Civil War” … should be its 😉
Don’t think she has a clue what she’s doing.
A few things…
1) Plenty of people in the south are still “fighting the war”. My sister was in the junior Miss Program and she stayed with a host family in Alabama. We are from Minnesota – her roommate was from Texas. The parents from Texas would not have anything to do with my parents. The host family apologized and said “it appears they are still fighting the war”. So yep… these idiots still exist.
2) I think the Kardashian/Jenner clan does everything for attention. Didn’t Khloe wear an Indian headdress not that long ago? They know exactly what they are doing and intend to make headlines. I’m no longer clicking on any links associated with them. If we all stop clicking they will disappear. I hope.
qtpi – I was leaning towards ignorance = Kendall as the explanation. But I forgot about Khloe’s headdress so I think you are right. This was devised by their PR staff for click bait.
I scrolled thru comments just to see if anyone else suggests this was just more of their trolling, plain and simple.
PMKris is having an orgasm from reading all the attention we are giving her spawn.
I highly doubt she knew what it meant.
Stupid girl. Awful family. I have just decided that is the last Karkrashian post I will ever read. Bye Felicias.You ALL suck.
North Florida here, right below Alabama. Flags and racists everywhere. From Hardee’s to high rises and woven into the corporate and military infrastructures. I grew up in western Mass and there were racists, but not like here.
Can anyone ID that olive jacket? Holy potatoes I WANT IT.
Confederate flag and I think of Kid Rock and his musings on race relations, gay marriage, gun control.
I live in Missouri and there are few things that scare me more than bitter, resentful, Confederate-flag waving rednecks.
And yes, the Confederate flag–heritage and all–did not exactly help calm the Ferguson riots.
Slightly OT: ‘ve never been to the US and I often wondered what is the modern perception of “Gone with the wind”? I remember having read it as a child and being surprised how something like that could be considered American classic. I’ve heard that Mark Twain’s “Adventures of Huckleberry Finn” was considered controversial and was banned from libraries, what about GWTW? Is it taught in schools?
As far as my experience: No it wasn’t/isn’t taught in schools. I know it’s considered a ‘classic’ by many since it occured during the olden days of early film but mostly it’s not quite as popularly revered as something like the original Wizard of Oz.
I think it falls in that awkward category of being acceptable at the (racist) time and now being a relic of its time period with all the ignorance that contained. Never been a fan myself.
HS English teacher of 20+ years here: GWTW is not on any formal curricula I’ve ever seen (for American Lit) but Huck Finn always is. GWTW won a Pulitzer but is NOT considered any sort of literary masterpiece by canonic standards. Huck Finn may be controversial (and banned in some backwater regions) but most reputable school systems definitely teach it.
There’s also a huge difference between the books. GWTW represents the myth of the happy “Darkies” singing in the fields. Whereas Mark Twain’s representation of racism is through satire, and he’s actually mocking the racism of the time.
Confederate flag = swastika. Simple.
I slightly understand wanting to take something negative and rebrand it as something positive – which blacks are notorious for- but no… Enough already.
She didn’t even finish school I doubt she even knows what the confederate flag stands for. On a real note, I went to a beach in Florida and saw many overweight white families wearing the confederate flag on their clothes. I don’t understand how people are that ignorant.
LEmmme guess, Panama City beach or Pensacola?
What do you expect? They don’t go to school and learn history. I’m more offended she thinks she knows classic rock or metal. She couldn’t name three Megadeath songs and is probably unaware that Lynyrd Skynyrd is a band and not a person.
I highly doubt the flag even was on her radar when she bought this shirt. Its a LS shirt..they are popular with the young crowd..they are old and cool. She probably has no clue as to the significance of that flag. I would not surprise me if she thought the flag actually had something to do with the band itself.
I so totally agree! It’s a Lynard Skynard shirt. Get a grip.
It’s like a white person saying “What? I can say the N-word because it’s in songs! I don’t mean anything by it!”
Her shirt is the same stupid BS.
Exactly.
I like it when people wear the Confederate flag because it’s like a flashing signal that says WHITE TRASH DO NOT APPROACH. I don’t personally find it offensive, and I think as a society we’re quick to clutch our pearls and get offended. Wear what you want, but be prepared for backlash.
In her defense, she probably doesn’t know that there was a Civil War or slavery.
She looks so like Kris! I think she looks very pretty here.
The funny thing is that most people wearing the Confederate Flag and defining is as the whole of pre war southern culture (as opposed to 4 tumultuous years of it) don’t know a damn thing about the confederacy.
Anyone else think these two have been hitting it for a while and that’s why selena defriended them so radically after coachella summer?
Then at this year’s festival kendall had that meltdown that Justin is such a jerk because he wasn’t paying attention to her? You know Kris is saying go after the beibs.
the girls can’t read
It is offensive, ignorant, AND just downright stupid
This reminds me of a 28 y/o girl my (older) male attorney friend is dating. True story: he mentioned something in passing about the effects slavery had that are still visible in modern society or some such thing and she said “what slavery? In THIS country? When did this happen?!” He was stunned & explained the ugly time period in which slavery was prevalent in the US until the Civil War etc etc. She was blown away and said “I just don’t believe that could ever happen here, we have like laws and stuff against that, right? That is just so horrible! You’re lying because you think I’m stupid but that is too awful for me to ever believe!” He changed the subject because she became visibly upset & started crying.
On the one hand, I have to admire her innocent heart & natural rejection of such a disgusting culture but on the other hand, I had to ask my buddy how this poor girl has made it through life this far being that ignorant and why he thought she was a good match for him (besides her physical beauty). Of course, he’s just being a douchebag guy and totally not dating her for her brains. This reminds me of ALL THE KARDASHIANS, I feel like they might be that dumb IRL.
Btw, last week my buddy told me that he was encouraging her to stop waitressing and go get a formal education…and she corrected him and said she actually DOES have a formal education and proceeded to show him her framed certification of “Official Hooters Senior Bartender”. He had to excuse himself to the bathroom to avoid breaking out in laughter in front of the poor girl. For the record, my buddy is an incredible friend and intelligent professional but I know he is a total dick-for-brains when it comes to dating.
Is it even legal to be that stupid?
At least she was dating an attorney.
This is why Texas’s “Atlantic Trade” bullshit must be stopped. I imagine she also thinks us white folk made merry with the natives and are here by their invitation.
Wow, just…wow.
Kanye putting the flag on his album comes with a fair side of ironic political commentary. A white woman doing it with a T-shirt for the gym is just ignorant. We can argue all the various reasons why the Civil War happened, but for most of us with a functioning conscience, the first will always be: HUMAN BEINGS AS SLAVE LABOR HOLY SH*T
It is her choice. A good one? No. But a choice. She isn’t breaking a law; neither was Kanye. SHe likely just threw on an old 70s band tshirt to be cool. She didn’t over think it. And I’m not going to overjudge it.
I wouldn’t do it, but I’m not about nailing her to the wall over it either. Its first and foremost a rock back tshirt. Not a political statement–others may make it into that, but I doubt that was her intent or even a second thought…and really–she doesn’t care what we think.
I do not think she has enough education or any sort of parenting that emphasized education to understand the implications of the Confederate Flag. I feel sorry for her. Sure she is getting old enough to seek out education on her own, but she’s still a kid who typifies a superficial teenager who still needs good influences or parenting to prod her to gain knowledge about subjects normally taught in school. Many teenagers who roll their eyes at “boring” duties like studying and graduating high school have parents who push them along. This poor girl never had that. She might be rich but she’s been deprived of a decent upbringing.
I’ve seen people wear worse and more offensive shirts!
If the North was so anti-slavery, they could have refused to hand over refugees and refused to buy goods produced by slavery. The war was primarily fought over economic issues and yes, quarrels over states’ rights (as had been an important issue since the founding of the Republic, read the debates back in the late 1700s – we still have two senators for every state, big or small, because of such concerns). Lincoln only signed the Emancipation Declaration because he thought it would stifle objections to the war (making it seem like a nobler cause than it really was) and help keep his precious Union together (somehow we felt differently about the breakup of the USSR generations later, why should our Union be so sacred that massive amounts of blood should be spilled to preserve it?). In particular, he was hoping for freed slaves to join the Union Army as more cannon fodder. Lincoln was definitely not an egalitarian, just read about Sojourner Truth’s disappointment about that.
We can’t even say that the bloodiest war in our history was the best way to get rid of slavery. It actually had become increasingly less economical and had always had other devastating effects on the whole culture (not just on people who were directly enslaved), and true opposition to slavery from outside the slave states would have crushed it easily. But this country remained segregated for a hundred years more and remains deeply racist today, and there is good reason to believe that Northern de facto segregation and racism were much harder to deal with than the overt segregation and racism in the South. Plus the miseries of the Reconstruction period most likely slowed down real change.
Dismissing the Confederate flag as simply a symbol of slavery and racism, tossing away every other connection with history, is arrogant. The Stars and Stripes can just as easily be associated with racism and genocide and mass murder and aggression against unarmed people around the world. But we know it has other meanings as well. In any case, the Confederate flag also has plenty of meanings that have nothing to do with slavery or racism or longing for the bad old days when people were legally allowed to own other people. But the victors always get to write the history books.
What do you expect – they have no education.