Somehow, we ended up talking about Caitlyn Jenner all week and she didn’t even say a word. It happened because Ricky Gervais dead-named Caitlyn and made trans “jokes” the beginning of his Golden Globes monologue. When Gervais was criticized for insensitivity (or whatever you want to call it), he went on a Twitter rampage defending his right to make transphobic jokes. Or whatever. It would have been great, I think, if Caitlyn had just stayed quiet and let Gervais talk himself in circles. But Caitlyn was hustling for the second season of her reality show, I Am Cait, on Thursday, so of course she got some questions about Gervais. This is what she said:
“On Ricky, I think what I’m gonna do is call the Golden Globes and see if they need a new host for next year. And we’ll solve that problem.”
Is she saying that she’d like to host the Globes next year? Or is she saying the HFPA just needs to get a new host? I would argue that she doesn’t have ANY pull with the Hollywood Foreign Press Association in either case. Maybe if Leonardo DiCaprio or Jennifer Lawrence said something like “We need a different host next year, someone who doesn’t do hacky, transphobic jokes,” maybe then the HFPA would listen. But I get Caitlyn’s drift.
Meanwhile, did you know that Caitlyn doesn’t want to date women anymore? After three ex-wives, she’s done with women. She wants to be with men now.
Caitlyn Jenner has opened up about her romantic life in the new trailer for her TV reality show “I Am Cait” — and has revealed that her dating future will not involve women. The Season 2 promo, released on Thursday, January 14, showed the 66-year-old former Olympian talking candidly about her future sex life while taking a road trip with her girlfriends on a bus.
“Do you consider yourself to be lesbian?” her pal, Chandi Moore, asked outright.
“To be honest with you, I don’t see myself dating women in the future,” Jenner replied candidly. “I’ve been there, done that, got three ex-wives.”
“So now you can have an ex-husband!” Jenner’s friend Jennifer Boylan responded, laughing loudly.
“That’s right!” answered Jenner, looking a little coy about the discussion.
If she wants to date men now, God bless. This article actually got me to watch the promo (I’m including it below) and what concerns me so much more than the Caitlyn-dating-men-now thing is the fact that she’s still, like, arch-conservative politically. She’s arguably one of the most famous transgender women in the country/world, and she talks like a Tea Partier. It’s amazing cognitive dissonance.
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She is the one who said she disagreed about same sex marriage and she was not attracted to men, just women. So did she change her mind? It’s just a headline so everyone can watch her show?
Yes. it is just a promo so you will watch that show.
No matter what Caitlyn Jenner does or doesn’t say won’t get me to watch the show. I’m tired of her.
I know right? How quickly she changed. Does it usually happen this way. So fast and all of a sudden you’re into men? Or perhaps when Bruce was still present, was Bruce into men but hid it? Who knows.
I asked that question when she was first transitioning. I wondered if Bruce was bisexual. Some said he would probably still date women. Now she’s saying she wants to date men. Something is truly up with this one. Then again after being married to PMK, I can understand.
This. I don’t understand how this works. I’ll have a friend who’s a lesbian who was engaged to a lesbian. They broke up and the other girl transitioned into a man. He then married a man who is also a drag queen and i believe was a gay man before they met. Myself and my lesbian friends were just going
… what? ??
If this is real I hope she says she was attracted to men all her life. I would hate for it to look like she just woke up one day wanting men since she is a female. That could send a bad message to people saying sexually is a choice
If Caitlyn is attracted to men, then Bruce was attracted to men. Theres nothing in the gender transition process that would alter sexuality. Sexuality is innate, you are born that way. Everybody knows that Caitlyn has issues with homosexuality. Of course Bruce would never have declared an attraction to men and now Caitlyn is working hard to shift from the lesbian tag.
I would think Bruce was attracted to men on some level but chose to date/marry women. If you’re bisexual (in whatever variation) you can of course choose to only date one or the other. It doesn’t necessarily mean that Caitlyn is not attracted to women anymore. She can handle this however she wants and I don’t really care but I do understand how people get confused by her statements.
I have heard that after the reassignment surgery, a full transition can be made to a new sexuality based on the new gender?
So maybe Caitlyn has had the full on surgery, and with the hormone producing organs gone, the new hormones are taking their full effect on her sexuality?
This may sound ignorant, but can hormone therapy alter sexual preference? I honestly don’t know, but I recall there was some mention of this here on CB.
Naya – I think a lot of people are leaving out the possibility that Cait is pansexual or even asexual and always has been. Some people are truly indifferent to the shell of a person and it is something else that causes that spark.
This. I thought sexuality was something totally different than gender identity? After 60+ years of seemingly not being interested in guys at all, she’s suddenly going to date them?
Can you say PR?
To be clear… transitioning affects people in many different ways. Most of my transgender friends are still attracted to the same gender that they were pre-transition… but hormone therapy and living as your true self for the first time? It’s a process that can definitely change (or at least clarify) your sexual attractions and interests.
I imagine the experience is different for everyone, and certainly believe things can change.
But in Caitlyn Jenner’s case, I’m far too cynical about that whole family, and feel like everything that’s said is to drum up storylines for reality shows.
Yeah, I totally get that… I’m just trying to be careful about repeating the same generalizations and assumptions that misinformed people make about trans people in general.
That was my first thought: the hormones she’s taking could potentially affect her sexual orientation. I’m not entirely sure if that’s how it works, but it seems plausible to me.
Guys no. Sexual orientation can not be changed, certainly not by hormone treatment. Surely the failure of reparative therapy research has driven this point home by now. Dont confuse gender, sex and sexual orientation. If Caitlyn now claims to be attracted to men then:
1) she is lying or
2) she was also attracted to men as Bruce and was at the time either lying to the world and/or to himself.
@Naya-Google is telling me that you may be wrong.
It seems that it’s a very individual thing and that some people on HRT did change sexual orientation while others did not.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=120835.0
I could see this being a promo switcheroo.
The old strategy where the full-clip-makes-it-less-of-a-declaration, like, “I’m not dating women anymore……I’m not going to date anyone for a while and just get to know myself more before I jump into dating”.
About hormone therapy…does it not change your voice? I always find it odd that Caitlyn sounds exactly the same as Bruce. I figured with hormones her voice would be higher pitched. Are there different hormones you take for the voice? Just curious.
Didn’t Bruce take hormones years ago before marrying Kris? He had started to grow breasts as well. He then decided to stop treatment, marry Kris and have two more kids. So if the “hormone theory” is correct, why didn’t he like men back then? Or did he but hid it? So many questions. Either way, Caitlyn annoys me for many reasons, none of which have to do with her being transgender. I remember a very old episode of KUWTK where Kris and the girls gave Bruce a make-over. They hired a stylist that just happened to be a gay man. This stylist took Bruce to get new clothes and then to The Abbey (a gay bar). Bruce seemed very uncomfortable and made it seem like he’d never even been near gay people before. Mind you this show is super fake but the fact that Bruce “played along” really bothers me.
For god sake!! BRuce-Caitlyn Jenner is not doing hormones therapy and has not go under a full sex reasignment!!! It’s so clear and obivous that I wonder why ppl don’t get it!
@SnarkySnarkers: Depends on whether you’re FtM or MtF.
Exposure to large amounts of testosterone (during puberty or FtM hormone treatment) increases the size of the laryngeal cartilage, which means you grow longer laryngeal muscles (to stretch across that space) which in turn means a deeper voice.
The growth is permanent, and taking estrogen won’t shrink it. (That’d be like expecting Caitlyn to get shorter, because women tend to be shorter … you generally can’t undo what previous exposure to testosterone has done, not using hormones alone. Which is one of the arguments for allowing trans kids to take hormones before going through puberty.)
So MtF transfolk either have vocal chord surgery or voice training.
Or just rock the deeper voice. There’s a surprisingly large overlap between male and female speaking voices. A tenor who looks female will pass as female because plenty of cis-women have voices that low (or even lower). It’s likely that Cait’s voice sounds overly masculine to you, because you know she’s trans. If you met a random lady with that voice, you probably wouldn’t notice.
Anything this family does, says, implies, wears, drinks, smokes, slaps on their faces, injects in their bodies is a lie and done with only two purposes: to get press and money.
I can’t believe that the network is still giving Caitlyn a platform. I remember right around the big interview a lot of people on this site were hopeful that she would be an advocate and role model, just like commenters on this site were largely positive on Khloe running to Lamar’s side and cancelling the divorce last minute after his OD. I thought both times that you lovely ladies who come here obviously have bigger hearts and are more optimistic than I could ever be. These people are too shallow, self involved, materialistic and lacking real decency, compassion or morals to be interested in anything other than themselves, their looks, their money and the number of followers they have. Nothing will change that.
I totally agree! They are all pathological. They all have more than enough money, it’s very telling that not one of them can stop and step away and live their lives authentically.
Of course it is a headline. It doesn’t happen this way. If we are to accept that she was born this way, then one doesn’t just change one’s mind. Unless they are a Kardashian-Jenner, in which case she would no doubt f*ck a horse if it would get ratings and publicity. Caitlyn may end up the biggest famewhore of them all.
Not every trans person’s journey is identical. I’ve read literature explaining that people were overwhelmed by the new hormones surging through their bodies that led to changes they didn’t ever expect. The articles I read were from trans-men – the influx of high levels of testosterone did a lot to them, their personality, their levels of anger, and yes, in some cases their sexuality. It isn’t impossible.
Sexuality can have a certain fluidity to it, if you’re open to that. It isn’t black or white, but a spectrum of greys.
He was not transphobic for the love of God.
A second season??? Nooooooooooo!
Agree.
“He was not transphobic for the love of God”
+1 The joke was more against the stereotype about women drivers.
Dead-naming IS transphobic. It’s a refusal to accept a human being’s identity, continuing to associate them with the wrong name and gender. People may not always feel malicious when they do it, but it doesn’t take much research to realize the implications and long tradition of dehumanization.
People keep responding to transphobia claims by discussing the driving joke… that wasn’t the only thing he said about Caitlin, or about trans people. It was the only thing that didn’t revolve around genitals or dead names, though.
And the genitalia obsession is transphobic too. Ricky couldn’t laud an actor for playing a trans character without making a long, unfunny, vulgar joke that revolved around hiding his male genitals. Many trans women still have male genitals; it has as little to do with their identity as my genitals do. We don’t wonder about genitals when actors play other parts.
It just continued with the Eddie Redmayne gag, and so forth… Ricky didn’t get a lot of screen time, but he still managed to make three or four separate jokes about trans people. When you’re using your comedy platform to largely target an under-represented group of people — people who are still being killed because of who they are — it’s (a) bad comedy and (b) downright hateful. Adding to oppression isn’t funny; making fun of the oppressors is funny.
He was just being a bigot and wanted us to laugh that he would “go there”… guess what? People “go there” constantly. People are still passing laws that discriminate against trans people, and dead-naming them in mainstream media outlets, and refusing to hire them, and killing them for their identity. Ricky is using the same words and jokes that are used by the people taking their rights and lives away.
(And as a fellow animal rights advocate, it’s particularly hard for me to see him kick a community that’s already down and pretend it’s harmless.)
It’s not “dead-naming” if it is referring to a time before the transition. BRUCE Jenner won the gold medal, BRUCE Jenner married Kris Kardashian, and BRUCE Jenner was at least in part responsible for the lady’s death in the car accident. She’s Caitlyn now. She wasn’t when those events occurred.
Am I the only one who took the jokes about Jeffrey Tambor and Eddie Redmayne to be commentary about how there are these amazing transgender characters that aren’t being played by transgender actresses? I don’t know, if that was his point he wasn’t super obvious about it, but that was what it immediately made me think about.
Well said. Please post here more often.
I didn’t consider it to be transphobic either but, apparently, when Ricky initially referred to Caitlyn as “Bruce Jenner” that was considered “dead-naming” Caitlyn which is offensive to the trans* community and therefore transphobic. I personally didn’t mind the driving joke – she killed someone and got away with it so if someone wants to take shots at her over that, that’s fine by me. As a cis-woman, I wasn’t personally offended by Ricky dead-naming her, nor do I really get the problem with it because of the context in which he said it – since he commented on how much Bruce Jenner had changed and now Bruce is known as Caitlyn – but I’m not one to tell the trans* community what they can and cannot be offended by.
“but I’m not one to tell the trans* community what they can and cannot be offended by.”
This exactly.
This urge to call people “too sensitive” — or to claim outrage is trivializing a movement before actually researching the reasons for the outrage — is puzzling to me. And it’s one more way to silence an already-marginalized community.
If a person of color is hurt by a joke that doesn’t sound racist to me, it’s probably because they’ve heard similar things repeatedly throughout their lives, and they’ve heard the same “joke” in a more malicious context, or they don’t think it’s a white person’s place to make the joke… etc. We should be receptive and willing to hear more about their experiences, not dismissive and condescending about their “trivial” or “too-PC” complaints.
And thank you for making the dead-naming connection, because it’s an important one. It’s extremely hurtful for trans people to hear someone casually use their old name or old pronouns.
This is where I get confused… so are we now to refer to Caitlyn Jenner ONLY as Caitlyn, even when referring to the years that she was Bruce Jenner? I thought that was why he used the name Bruce, because it was Bruce that was in the car accident. It’s not my identity so it’s obviously not my call, but I’m just a little unclear, is all.
but he was bruce at the time of the car accident
This is all just so… Complicated.
Partly agree. The car joke wasn’t, it was a direct joke to what happened in the car accident and the fact that Caitlyn was given a pass for being a celebrity. From what I understand when Ricky named her Bruce was the troubling part.
She had to know she’d be in the spotlight and a target for comedians. She put herself there. When she was Bruce, she went on Jimmy Fallon and blasted him for goofing on his plastic surgery. Sensitive, male or female. I don’t care for Caitlyn, but will always admire Bruce for his golden performance at the Olympics. He was a force back then….way before the Kardashians and Caitlyn became his life.
I really didn’t think Ricky Gervais was transphobic at the Golden Globes. I also don’t think calling things transphobic that aren’t transphobic does anything to further the cause.
Calling out dead-naming and genital jokes sure as hell furthers the cause.
Pretending they’re harmless, however, does not.
@Megan agree 100%
good lord these people need to get over the woman driver joke, unreal!!!
if that’s offensive, don’t listen to comedy. please.
Sorry. Couldn’t even get through the whole promo…
What made that joke not funny was the fact that someone died in that wreck. Neither Caitlyn nor Ricky seem particularly concerned about that part.
I said this a couple of times now – but I think Ricky’s point was that someone died in that crash and yet the public acts like that’s not important because that woman was not famous. In the adoration Caitlyn got everyone simply forgot her.
I thought the same thing. *shrug*
That’s exactly how it seemed intended. I cannot wrap my head around anyone thinking otherwise unless they were simply unaware of Jenner’s killing that woman.
As for everything else, I hear both comedians and regular folks make jokes that mock my beliefs, my gender, my job, my country. So does everyone else. This perpetual desperation to constantly find something to internet outrage over is absurd.
Personally, I’m more unhappy with Caitlyn’s response than with Ricky’s joke. Is it a topic that I would have preferred he joke about? Not so much. But it’s because I think it’s sad, more than wanting to be offended.
Watching Caitlyn’s version of the bachelorette should make interesting tv. NOT!
Gervais made a joke about a car accident and linked it to the mysogynist stereotype of women driving. It was unoriginal and unfunny, but not transphobic. Trans celebrities being made fun of for their actions and not their transition? That’s actually very progressive imo.
Gervais is a complete tool, an unoriginal idiot with an ego the size of Saturn who likes to act tough but is the most delicate little flower in the field. I hate him, but calling transphobia were it isn’t only trivializes a matter that should not be trivialized.
Josefina, I took it the same way. He could have taken it to an uglier place but played it safe and not funny by using the stereotypical women driving poorly. He is much funnier when he doesn’t censor himself, but probably gave in to the producers of the show. The “most delicate little flower in the field. Lol
Again…
that wasn’t the only joke he made about trans people. It’s actually the least transphobic thing he said; I’m not sure why everyone is isolating this particular joke and ignoring all the other hateful things he said and did.
It’s important to note that the joke started with Caitlyn’s dead name… that’s a very common and very hurtful form of silencing and ignoring trans identities. Calling it out as transphobia is the opposite of trivializing… it’s spreading awareness that it isn’t okay.
Also important to remember his repeated references to testicles as he described trans female characters. This could have been an opportunity to call out Hollywood for casting white cis men as the year’s two most visible onscreen trans women… but instead he fixated on the fact that they still had male genitals, and how funny that was. This joke is one in a long tradition of obsessing over trans women’s male parts, and using it as a reason to refuse their true identities.
How is this not transphobia? Will you tell my trans friends that if they discuss the pain they felt while watching, they’re just “trivializing” a more important movement? Women have been killed by people who obsessed over their male genitals. Powerful, famous, cis people don’t get to recycle hateful jokes on national TV *and* escape any association with transphobia. It’s certainly not our place to decide what is and isn’t transphobia.
Brittney: I only watched the very beginning of the show, so didn’t hear his vapid transphobic comments. I regret I watched the ten minutes I wasted on the beginning of the show. All of your comments are valid and sadly ignored or dismissed by much of the general population. I only see time and education changing these views. Martin Luther King had his “dream” fifty years ago and not much has changed. Stay positive though, the ignorant and frightened want us to give up and accept their normal while the brave keep fighting a fight that should be their birthright and not challenged by the mundane who fight anything that isn’t what they believe to be their version of the perfect world which simply doesn’t exist.
Well, given that the two men he was referencing were cis and not trans, it doesn’t apply.
His genital jokes were crude and adolescent at best…
Only my opinion but this is how I saw it. Comedians whether you like them or not push the envelope and that was what Ricky was doing. I think he stepped over the line, but trans people and others should be happy with the reaction to at least one of the jokes on Jeffrey Tambor as it fell bad. Mainly, because society doesn’t think that making fun of body parts like that is funny anymore, and that is a good sign.
Still it bothers me when people think they speak for an entire group. Then they are espousing rules that society has yet to be notified. Now dead calling is one issue, and it seems odd to me in Ricky’s context. I can understand if someone has changed their name and you refer to them currently with their previous name how that could be insulting and used as almost a slur, however, in this context he was referring to Bruce when Caitlyn was using Bruce’s name & identity. Caitlyn in the promo above even talks about her identity as it was two different lives, and I don’t understand how if she is doing it then why would that be a problem. It just doesn’t seem like the same thing. I am not saying people are being too sensitive, I just think some are misinterpreting the meaning of that particular remark. I am not a Caitlyn fan, mainly because of the Kardashian PR and lifestyle, but I do have to say the one thing that Caitlyn is showing greatly is that not all trans people are the same, and seem to not want the same thing either.
but he was bruce at the time of the accident
bruce jenner had that accident not caitlyn, i dont see it as dead naming
Agree with Brittney 100%. As I responded to Kitten below, stop and think for a second that instead, the joke was at the expense of the black or Jewish community. How would that resonate, would you still think it was not hurtful?
But, and I may be wrong here… I think you can refer to a trans person’s name by their old name in reference to events that happened before the transition. (I think. Anyone more fluent with the issue please explain why, or why not. It seems logical to me but I may well be wrong.)
I can’t stand Ricky so I only watched tidbits of his performance. I didn’t know trans people were repeatedly adressed. My bad.
You’re not bad at all Josefina. We can’t spend our entire lives defending ourselves over political and moral issues. I only caught the beginning of the show and then felt so guilty about other’s feelings. My theory in life is to each their own. Do what you do as long as you don’t hurt anyone. We don’t have to apologize to internet people because of a random comment. Oh life is too complicated. I read your comments and you seem like a good decent person, don’t let others intimidate you like I tend to do. Happy Weekend!
@ vauvert: 99% of the time you should avoid dead-naming. For 2 separate reasons.
1) They were this “new” person all along. This is them. This is who they always were. So you might as well use the name/gender that fits with how they always were. (This argument isn’t universal, some transfolk don’t see it that way, but it’s the more common opinion, so you’re safer using the new name constantly unless told otherwise.)
2) When you dead-name, or mis-gender, you out them as trans to anyone overhearing the conversation. If they’re trying to pass as cis, that’s incredibly rude – even dangerous, since you’re opening them up to transphobic attack. Admittedly, this doesn’t apply to Cait – she’s transitioned in the public eye, and is only going to pass as cis to folks who’ve been living under a rock for the last year – but it’s a very good reason to get into the habit of using the new name/gender at all times … you don’t want to accidently out someone.
Gervais was not transphobic at the Globes. He was many things, tactless and crass among them, but not transphobic. Let’s not use that word where it doesn’t belong.
Thank you!
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Caitlyn is such a tool. End of. Not because she’s trans or anything. Because she’s a lousy parent, a narcissist and just generally a tool.
I agree, overall a disgusting human being. I wish they would stop reporting on her.
Exactly. And Caitlyn could really care less about the trans community unless it gives her publicity.
and a bad driver.
She didn’t actually say she wants to date men, just that she’s finished dating women. Maybe she doesn’t want to be with anyone right now?
Yes, she sounded very unserious when responding to the silly question about an ex-husband. She’s been married and divorced three times, she might not really be into the dating scene right now and not anxious to add another marriage and divorce to the mix…. She said very clearly before that she was only attracted sexually to women before she transitioned, and hormone changes shouldn’t change that. Lesbians have the same hormone profile as non-lesbian women. So unless Cait is actually bisexual but never realized it before (which can happen), she is still attracted to women but not men. That doesn’t mean she wants to hook up with anybody, though. Her life is full enough right now, I would imagine.
Isn’t this what comedians do? They roast people. Everyone gets roasted whether transgendered, cisgendered, bigendered, agendered, whatever.
That’s what I thought they did. At times, they’re crass and tactless.
Yes, but I totally get Brittney B’s point. It goes beyond a joke when it touches a topic and a group where people are still discriminated against, bullied and killed for being who they are.
Would we excuse the jokes if they were made about black pope or Jewish people? Certainly not.
Ok but women are marginalized as well. Does that mean we don’t get roasted either?
I’m incredibly empathetic towards LGBT issues but I also think that there should be at least ONE place, ONE art form that doesn’t have any obligation to be sensitive and for me, that’s the comedic realm. The purpose of comedy is to make people laugh and if sometimes it’s politically incorrect or insensitive then I’m ok with that.
I guess what I’m saying is that I’m conflicted about this…
it’s a joke about women, not trans people.
Is anyone else so bothered by her mouth and teeth, that’s all I can focus on when she speaks!
The one really wonky eye bothers me more than anything, like damn, all that money on plastic surgery and you end up looking like you’ve had a stroke.
Caitlyn loves her guns and money so she will consistently vote against LGBT community. It is very sad.
I knew it! And he’s a black man. Khloe set her up.
I can name two good things coming out of CJ’s transition:
1. People really started to better grasp the concept the gender and sexuality are two different things.
2. Maybe now people will learn that politics and gender and sexuality are three different things.
I know there is a lot of chatter about who is a republican and dismay when someone is a republican when “it isn’t in their best interests” (usually poor republicans). Truthfully Ive never really grasped that concept as problematic. If someone doesn’t vote in their own best intersts what it suggests to me is that they have a value and/or belief system that is stronger than most — strong to the point they wont vote in their best interests because of their commitment to the belief system is that strong. And that’s a problem? I candidly think its admirable.
So sorry….I’m not getting all bent out of shape over the appropriateness or inappropriateness of anyone’s political affiliation.
The problem with that is you have to believe they are always aware that it’s not in their own best interests. I’ve met a lot of low-income people who genuinely believe they’d be better off under right wing rule, because in their own eyes they aren’t one of “those” people who are demonised by the party they support. They regard themselves as middle class, they look down on “scroungers” who somehow deserve to be poor, and never really consider themselves as on the same economic level. They identify with the economically strong, rather in the way some women internalise misogyny. Poverty is so stigmatised and so shamed that plenty of people would prefer to see themselves as rugged individualists, and not poor. Reality is often too hard to face head-on.
Caitlyn Jenner, though, is stinking rich. Not hard to work out where the appeal might lie.
Oh. Wow. So poor people just don’t have the brains to understand how poor they are and that you know what is good for them (better than they know)? That’s not insulting at all.
@Crumpet……… APPLAUSE! A few years ago I made the acquaintance of a middle aged white woman who through some bad luck exacerbated by bad decisions was indeed dirt poor. She lived in up state New York, in an inherited shack, with not much at all. Jobs were sparse in her area, she had eye sight issues that needed addressing with surgery, etc. However she was vehemently republican in most of her beliefs. This woman was not dumb–she was in fact quite well read, researched issues and good discuss politics and policy in quite informed detail. Many tried to argue with her that she wasn’t supporting her best interests. She calmly agreed with that, but stated that her beliefs and values were aligned otherwise and articulated strongly the whys. So yes–it is stereotypical in my mind to associate poverty and ignorance. Or mental / emotional weakness as in downtrodden.
I very much agree with the two points you made about Caitlyn.
If things haven’t improved much for the trans community is not Caitlyn’s fault, but because there’s still a big amount of people who are hateful and despicable.
seriously, gervais is not the most pc guy, but the joke was about women drivers. women should be more offended than trans people. caitlin identifies as a woman. she got in a car accident. women drivers are bad. bad joke, not trans offensive though!!!
that and white privilege
I honestly don’t see how a comment about her driving is transphobic. He’s got a valid point. If I rear-ended another car causing the death of a driver, I’d have to suck up the criticism of my driving too.
I’m over Caitlin.
(I think she needs to change her makeup. I’m all about makeup and dressing well, but her makeup makes her look like she’s trying to be 30.)
I’m almost over her as well.
But I like her make-up and fashion sense, I think she looks okay. Not trying hard to remain young like Madonna or even Kris.
Jenner talks like a “tea party supporter” because when all is said and done and the clothes and makeup come off, Jenner still thinks, talks and acts like a privileged rich white man with all the entitlements. Jenner will never truly know what it is like to be a woman, poor, homeless, ethnic etc and all the work it takes to overcome things in life. I still believe that the trans community could have picked a better representative.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, and thank you! You nailed it.
I think that’s extreme. Jenner was not raised rich, and to win the Olympic medal had to work very hard. There’s a vast population of people who have never been “poor” or homeless but are not rich, and work every damn day for what they have.
Someone forgot to tell Caitlyn men don’t usually date women in their 60’s, unless they’re Rupert Murdoch.