Over the weekend, the New York Times finally figured out that Donald Trump needed to be seriously vetted by the media, because that really hasn’t happened. The media has been fascinated by the “Trump phenomenon,” obviously, and they dutifully report on his daily craziness, but he hasn’t been “vetted” in the way typical presidential candidates have been in the past. The NY Times tried to rectify that by doing a long-read piece about Trump’s history of problematic, creepy and gross interactions with women. You can read the piece here.
Beyond the specifically problematic interactions with women, a picture of Trump begins to emerge: he is a man who sees all women as merely ornamental, there for his pleasure and nothing more. The exception to that might be Ivanka Trump, who I believe is Donald’s favorite child. One of the many stories featured in the piece is a tale about how Donald Trump groped a woman (who was not into it) in the 1990s, and now Donald’s favorite child is trying to ride to her father’s defense.
The New York Times cited a deposition from a woman who claimed that Donald Trump groped her under the table decades ago, but the presumptive Republican presidential nominee is certainly not a groper, his daughter said Wednesday.
“Look, I’m not in every interaction my father has, but he’s not a groper,” Ivanka Trump said in an interview broadcast Wednesday on “CBS This Morning.” “It’s not who he is. And I’ve known my father obviously my whole life and he has total respect for women.”
Ivanka Trump said she read the Sunday cover story and “found it to be pretty disturbing, based on the facts as I know them, and obviously I very much know them” as a daughter and an executive who’s worked alongside him for more than a decade.
“I was bothered by it, but it’s largely been discredited since,” she said, referring to Brewer Lane’s criticism of the report. Brewer Lane, the ex-girlfriend whose first run-in with Donald Trump was used as the lead anecdote for the article, titled “Crossing the Line: How Donald Trump Behaved With Women in Private,” accused the newspaper of putting a negative connotation on her words.
“Most of the time when stories are inaccurate they’re not discredited, and I will be frustrated by that, but in this case I think they went so far,” Ivanka Trump continued. “They had such a strong thesis and created facts to reinforce it and, you know, I think that narrative has been playing out now and there’s backlash in that regard.”
I’m sure Trump’s advisors thought this was a good play: having his daughter defend Trump’s history of gross interactions with women. Maybe it was a good play, because now I just feel sorry for Ivanka. The words coming out of Ivanka and Melania’s mouths these days, it’s like no one ever told them that they should never speak in pullquotes using the words “Hitler” or “groper.” As for Ivanka’s defense of her father… no, the NYT story has not been “largely discredited.” One of the fifty women said the NYT used her quotes in a negative way when that was not her intention. And the NY Times is sticking by their story too, because why wouldn’t they? Everyone has known about Trump’s problematic history with women for a long, long time.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
Considering how many times he has stated that he would date his own daughter because of her looks, I don’t think she’s a legit defender here.
+1 Exactly!
Gosh for some reason I’m just not buying these “not hitler” “not a groper” defenses.
IKR? Obviously, those two accusations aren’t the same degree of monsterous behavior, but in either case most people go their whole lives never needing to deny either one.
Most people are not running for President. The New York Times article has been discredited. The woman did a follow up interview and stated that she said none of what the Times wrote.
Shaunna –
Seriously? Even if we limit the pool to presidential candidates, how many of them – now or throughout history – have needed to deny a resemblance to Hitler?
Oh, he is so not Hitler. More like the love child of Franco and Mussolini. But definitely not Hitler.
@Shaunna
One of the women interviewed in the New York Times piece did a follow up interview where she said her quotes were taken out of context. I believe it was the women who changed into a bathing suit and Trump said “now there is a Trump woman!”. She said that she felt flattered by Trump saying that, and the NYT didn’t include her quote about feeling “flattered” (gross) but she was quoted correctly about getting into a bathing suit and being paraded around a bunch of business men & Trump. The article has NOT been discredited.
Regardless of the article, Trump has been PUBLICLY treating women horribly for decades now! Just this year alone his treatment of Carly Fiorina and Megan Kelly tells us exactly what he thinks of women.
I’m completely convinced he paid off the “Trump girl” and Miss America woman to go on TV and claim they were not offended by his actions. The Miss America woman actually said IN HER BOOK that women were uncomfortable. Now she is saying NYT took her words out of context.
Donald Trump is not America’s Hitler. Rather, he is America’s Kim Jong Un.
Don’t mean this to sound harsh but it really doesn’t matter whether Ms. Brewer Lane was offended by Trump’s behavior and remarks. His behavior was offensive to women regardless of her personal take on the situation.
This reminds me of a time in a past job when the small company I worked for fired our manager for ongoing, unwanted comments on the appearance of women who worked for him. He was a decent manager. A “good guy.” But if you wore a skirt, you would get a comment from him on how great your legs looked. So once he was gone, an older lady (in her 50s) in the office expressed regret that he was fired. She said “the comments didn’t bother me personally” and “if you younger ladies had been in a job like this in the 80s, you wouldn’t have survived.” And I thought, yeah, we’d have survived, because we’d have put up with it back then like you did. Now, we don’t have to.
Precisely! Trump can try to claim some media spin on his attitude towards women, but I have seen interviews with him SAYING the words about “dating his own daughter”, she “has a great body”…etc. If my father said things like that about me, my skin would crawl. There are many reasons I loathe Donald Trump, but his comments regarding his daughter Ivanka are probably at the top of that list! UGH
Besides, just the fact that we’re discussing his attitude towards women is an issue. With every candidate – unfortunately, IMO – we have to evaluate their position on women’s issues. Birth control coverage, parental leave, equal pay, etc. – but when we have to endlessly evaluate their demeanor towards women, parse interviews by their first wife giving contradictory information about abuse, and cringe at profoundly disturbing comments involving his own daughter, it just doesn’t matter any more if someone was misquoted once. There’s a long and disturbing pattern.
All of our last three presidents had daughters who grew up in the White House, and all of them managed to not be creepy about their own families. It’s not that hard.
just what I was thinking. such a giant “EW!!!!!!!”
“not in every interaction my father has…” don’t you think, Ivanka…just maybe….that he doesn’t grope women in front of you? do you think he would?
people need to stop “defending” him because they make him and themselves look worse than if they just said nothing.
No, the GIANT “EW” is Billy Clinton and ALL the affairs he had while sitting as POTUS. Not to mention as Governor etc…
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Now, that is beyond vile…
Goo – I’m not defending his affairs, but as a politician, Clinton never wavered from supporting women’s issues. It in no way impacts my personal life if Billy can’t keep it in his pants. It does impact my personal life if our health care system and employment laws are designed to treat women as second class citizens.
I love when people pull the Bill Clinton card. This post isn’t about Bill Clinton. This is about Donald Trump.
And Bill Clinton is not running for public office.
If Hilliartity is elected, Bill Clinton WILL be in her cabinet…. She stated that the other day. And your right, it isn’t about Bill Clinton however, Its about men and this one was President and many, many women’s lives were ruined due to his vile behavior and his bulldog wife. How quickly the Liberals forget!
@Goo
The Hill never said she would give Bill a position in her cabinet. She said she would use his advice on the economy. And why wouldn’t she? He’s a 2 term president who is credited with a strong economy during his terms.
I hate that Hillary gets sh!t for her husband cheating on her. That’s just messed up.
@Goo, there are rules against nepotism, so, no, Bill will not be in her Cabinet. Also, if extra-marital affairs are the EWW factor here, well, that takes out just about everyone who has ever held the office with the exceptions of Carter and Obama.
Exactly, Bettyrose. Well said.
Goo, Bill Clinton did not ruin “many women’s lives.” A couple, sure, he’s a cad. Now, if you want to examine damning effects on African American males, then Clinton is your guy.
“Bill Clinton did not ruin “many women’s lives.” A couple, sure, he’s a cad. ”
Whew, just a couple of their lives ruined, and smeared by his lawyer and wife. That’s a relief. For a minute I thought it was a large amount and there was an issue here.
Lilacflowers, exactly. Like there’s only one worst person ever that you have to not be like. The problem is not that Trump is not Hitler, Mussolini or Franco … the problem is that Trump is Trump.
Total respect for women? Donald Trump called Rosie O’ Donnell a fat pig. DTrump called the women hosts of the view Brain Dead Puppets.
Trump’s way of respecting women is by name calling and insulting women he disagrees with
Respect? No. More like disrespect.
I remember when Howard Stern asked him what his new girlfriend, Melania, was like, Trump answered with her measurements. He’s so gross.
Not Hitler OR a groper?! SOLD! November can’t come soon enough. 😉
LOL. Seriously, it’s like…that’s quite a low bar. He also doesn’t kick puppies, I assume? Okay then, vote for him. 😛
Last I heard, he’s also not a cannibal. Another reason to give him your vote!
lol!
Froggy, you took the words right out of my mouth. I can see acquaintances damning someone with faint praise but when it comes from your own family members you know you’ve got issues.
If any other politician had to have their family come out and say they aren’t HITLER nor are they a groper, that would be career ending / last ditch effort PR move. Nothing seems to touch this guy. It’s amazing in such a god awful way.
and depressing. how did it come to this? I understand the idea of an antiestablishment fervor, but couldn’t that dissatisfaction with the status quo come up with something better than this?
It’s so, so very depressing. There are lots of explanations for the rise of Trump. In my opinion, the fault lies squarely with the GOP. Not all Trump supporters are sexist/bigoted/ etc. But some of them are. The GOP has been courting the anti-immigration people, racist people, angry white men for a long time. The GOP hasn’t outright said this, but the a wink and a nod has been clear for awhile. The GOP tries to attract these people, then falls short of what these people want. This, obviously, has made these types of people angry. It was just a matter of time before someone picked up on this brewing anger and used it for their own strategic advantage.
When a man installs his mistress in the same town as his wife and children while they are on a family vacation, you can pretty much see how much he respects women. When a man has public arguments with women and resorts to slurs about their attractiveness or menstrual periods, you can get a glimpse into his “total respect.” Anyone who thinks this man respects women is an idiot, including his own daughter. I know she loves him, but she has to know that he is a complete misogynist.
I have a feeling that, for her, it’s a “well, he’s always been respectful of ME, so where’s the problem?”
kind of like how the celebs who work with Woody Allen say “well, he’s never been inappropriate with ME, so…”
Exactly.
Ok but to be fair, she’s being put in a difficult position. She’s being put on the spot. It’s her freaking father, you know?
Honestly, if someone was saying that about my dad I wouldn’t want to believe it either and I would resent being held accountable (on some level) for my dad’s sh*tty behavior.
So I’m gonna be an outlier here and say that she handled that pretty well. Not surprisingly, she defended her father and then outright stated that she’s not privy to every interaction he has, thereby leaving the door open for people to make up their own minds. To me, she sort of said “well I suppose it’s possible that he did these things” without actually saying it.
IDK..maybe it’s because I’m really hungover but I’m feeling sympathetic towards her this morning. Also, Trump is a d*ck for using her as a mouthpiece in this situation. What a coward. HE should be the one who has to answer for HIS misdeeds, not his daughter.
I also think that, no matter what, they are going to defend the Trump BRAND. That name does carry weight and money. If her father and his reputation went down with these awful accusations, that could have fall out in other areas. I mean, I have no doubt she’s also defending him because he’s her father, but there is definitely some business calculation there too.
Kitten, I think you make great points, the biggest one being that your kids shouldn’t have to answer for your misdeeds. Most candidates work really hard, I think, to protect their kids from the scrutiny that comes with a Presidential campaign. I know Ivanka’s a grown woman but I just can’t see Trump having made much of an effort to keep her out of the fray.
Kitten – You make great points, but for me the issue is not how Ivanka responded but that those questions needed to be asked in the first place. And they did need to be asked.
And I mean – I also can’t really blame Ivanka for saying that, in a way. It’s her dad. Nobody WANTS to think their dad is a gross pos. There’s a certain amount of convincing that even ‘normal’ people do to make them feel like their parents behavior is a bit better than it might be in reality.
That being said – she shouldn’t have said anything, really. But likely, dear ol’ dad pulled some purse strings or something like that.
YES. I just finished saying the same above.
Agree Erinn & Kitten.
What a difficult position for her to be in and of course she’s going to defend her dad.
You know that there are many men, particularly men in positions of power, who talk about and treat women in the way Trump is accused.
I’ve witnessed it myself and have been on the receiving end a few times when younger.
The difference with Trump is he seems to free wheel his misogyny with many more witnesses!
Don’t misunderstand where I’m coming from.
It’s never excusable when these ignorant men degrade and/or minimize and sexualize women.
But this guy…geez…practice some self awareness.
On a more intriguing note…
Ivanka has got to be one of the most exquisite beauties of our time, no?
She’s just so lovely.
Except in this case, her dad IS a gross POS. Tough one. There would be more credibility if she didn’t work for him.
yes she shouldn’t have said anything, but the campaign probably asked her to, because you know, she’s a woman. and maybe they think she and the wife have more credibility than trump on this issue. but, really, what else can they say about him, except no, he’s not hitler; he’s not a sexual predator; he’s not an axe murderer, etc.?
the strange thing from my memory of the NYT article though is that they portray him as a bit of a jekyll/hyde in his relationship with women: he objectifies women (even his own daughter!) but then he appears to have women in positions of power in his company. i’m not sure whether that means he can divorce his sexist/chauvinism in personal life from workplace/policy issues, but i doubt it as there was that story about his refusal to have dinner alone w/a female business associate who wasn’t deemed attractive enough! Wtf does her appearance have to do w/a business dinner! i truly think he must be overcompensating for physical defects: overly insecure about his small hands, obsession with how attractive his female companions (even for a business dinner) must be, etc.
yes she shouldn’t have said anything, but the campaign probably asked her to, because you know, she’s a woman. and maybe they think she and the wife have more credibility than trump on this issue. but, really, what else can they say about him, except no, he’s not hitler; he’s not a sexual predator; he’s not an axe murderer, etc.?
the strange thing from my memory of the NYT article though is that they portray him as a bit of a jekyll/hyde in his relationship with women: he objectifies women (even his own daughter!) but then he appears to have women in positions of power in his company. however, it sounds like even in the workplace, he couldn’t stop objectifying women, such as his refusal to have dinner alone w/a female business associate who wasn’t deemed attractive enough! Wtf does her appearance have to do w/a business dinner! i truly think he must be overcompensating for physical deficiencies: overly insecure about his small hands, obsession with how attractive his female companions (even for a business dinner) must be, etc.
Kitten: All the children of Presidents or candidates are put on the spot, but they don’t have to be a Stepford Child and agree with everything. History tells how Patti Davis was estranged from Ronald and Nancy Reagan for decades, for a myriad of reasons, one being her total opposition of nuclear warfare. She did a lot of things to spite them, including a Playboy cover which was controversial at the time. I’m not suggesting Trump’s daughter go this far, but she does have a mind of her own. That son of his, with his arrogant attitude and sneer will be his lap dog, just like him. Don’t hear much about Marla’s daughter, but I’m quite sure she wears a tiara.
Marla’s daughter seems to be the black sheep, no?
She was front and center at just one of Trump’s speeches after a primary somewhere and she did that lip puckered sneer the entire time – so offputting.
And other times in photos are gatherings, she’s at the far end of the sibling grouping.
Something really weird there within the family dynamic.
I kind of feel for her…
Myrna: The Marla years, oh my. She was probably paid handsomely to stay in the background with her mouth shut. How different to be the golden child than the one had with a spur of the moment trophy wife. This man is corrupt of decency. But….years from now, maybe when Donald’s polishing Satan’s horns, a tell all of all of this bottled up frustration will emerge. I know I will read it!
I’d read it, too!
@Nancy-come on, girl. You REALLY expected her to go on GMA and say “Yeah my dad is a misogynistic piece of crap?”
I’m not making a moral judgment on Trump because I’ve made it very clear over 8 billion times how I feel about him. He sucks at life.
I’m simply saying that realistically, during the most crucial time of an election year, a presidential candidate’s daughter isn’t going to publicly sh*t on her dad and it’s completely absurd that people would expect her to do so. She’s close to her father, she knows him in a different way than the rest of us, she’s on Orangina’s payroll, and most importantly: HER FATHER IS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE during a super high-stakes election year. I feel that deserves allcaps because people are conveniently ignoring this important fact lol.
Did Patty Davis pose for Playboy when Reagan was running for re-election against Walter Mondale? Or did she do that almost a decade after her father had left the Oval Office?
Really, I’m seeing a lot of oddly misdirected anger here. Let’s cut her some slack. Having Donny Trump as a father is suffering enough.
Sorry Kitten got your message. I can’t see clearly when it comes to this family. I have to admit I cracked up at Orangina!!!! I guess Manson had his girls, Hitler had Ava and his dog, Woody has Blake Lively and Mr. Trump has his devoted daughter, son and wife. Sorry for putting him in the company of psychopaths, sociopaths and pervs, but he somehow doesn’t seem out of place on that list. I think this will all be a nonfactor, because in my heart I can’t believe he will ever be President of our country. It’s hate through association, maybe his daughter is a lovely person……he would like to date her so….lol
@Nancy-lol
Yeah he would like to date her because she’s pretty. He probably doesn’t care whether she’s a lovely person or not 😉
Tiffany has, largely, been ignored by Trump until recently. Reportedly, Ivanka is the most engaged with her and has tried to help her with career attempts in music and fashion. It’s only until people started bringing up Marla and the other daughter that Trump started to actively bring her into the fold a bit.
I think Trump’s pretty much admitted that he has very little to do with child rearing with any of his kids, and was mostly there just for financial support and make sure they lead privileged lives befitting a child who has his name listed as father on their birth certificate
This is the kind of propogandistic rhetoric we have to get used to if trump becomes POTUS. Defamation will result in imprisonment, and women will be taxed for being ugly
Please… That’s funny!
Oh shut up. I wish family members wouldn’t defend relatives when they’re accused of something unsavoury/illegal etc. Of course you can’t believe that your beloved father/son/sister is capable of behaving appallingly but you have NO idea what they get up to in other guises, so you should frankly STFU.
The fact that Trump needs his daughter to defend him shows what a snivelling coward he is, hiding behind her skirt. Who uses their kid to defend their honour? Not a real man.
Sure Ivanka…what next? He and Milania foster abandoned kittens and puppies in the Taj Mahal of Bad Taste and Everything Gold?
It really is one of the ugliest decorating jobs I’ve seen.
We probably just don’t understand her superior taste in decorating because we’re not on her level 🙂
Can you even imagine publicly defending your father as “not a groper”? I would lay down and die of embarrassment and shame if that bozo was my father. Poor Ivanka.
I would be equally if not more mortified by statements that he’d date me if I weren’t his daughter.
IMO she should just stay out of this mess. I’m sure she has heard, most of her life, her father disrespecting women. I believe she loves her father but she does not have to make herself a part of this. Btw, everyone have been saying what a beautiful job he has done with his children. I remember him saying he has never changed a diaper and his job is to provide monetary assistance while Ivana is the one what raised the children. Now he’s taking all the credit for how they turned out.
Well he may not have physically taken care of them but he and Ivanna (she played a big big part) laid down the law on certain things so they didn’t end up like messes like the Hiltons. I think People did an interview with the kids years ago (in between presidential elections and there was nothing at stake) and Don and Ivanka said they pretty much had to do chores and work for things that they want. That they had to excel in school etc. That’s quite a difference from how Donald is raising his youngest son. So really I think the childrearing thing really did have Ivanna’s influence all over it.
I’m not an apologist but I will give credit that his kids aren’t leeches to society or screw ups.
,I really think that Melania must be completely jealous of ivanka. He has used her on this Champaign more than her and is his go to women. I think yesterday a poster commented that maybe Melania is not into Trump running, so maybe that’s the case. Regardless I think behind close doors, there would be heated exchanges all round.
As for him been a groper and having respect for women. Ha! It’s truly thinks the past doesn’t exists, he has displayed zero respect or attitudes towards females and even his comments on his daughter are based on looks.
Side note: he looks beyond orange in the header pic and put your little bity thumb away man!
I tend to think that as long as the money keeps coming in Melania is fine with Ivanka and whatever they decide to do. She really doesn’t seem to have much interest in or curiosity about the campaign at all.
I do agree w/ you Aussie Girl! If you look at past videos & photos of Melania her eyes were never that beady or set in such a steely squint. That look though lately seems like it’s frozen on her face, one would think if she were happy it would not be . Melania publicly commented the previous times when he ran that she really wasn’t into it & was basically just letting him get it out of his system (as if she didn’t believe he would go all the way).
This just keeps getting creepier.
Of course she’s going to support daddy, he likes his daughter. Right there on the View he said, if she wasn’t my daughter, I’d date her. I would be interested in her response, her honest response, not the made for tv nervous giggle….I know what Joy Behar’s was “what, are you Woody Allen?” Not trying to go there, but what a repulsive thing to say to your daughter no less in public. Friends, family, foes, as long as you’re pretty. Isn’t that what matters to him…aesthetics. AH
Poor girl, what can she say?!
Trump’s PR team is really pulling all the stops now.
As I suggested once before, as manager of his fan base, I HIGHLY recommend Yolanda Saldivar. She never disappoints.
Yeah, I don’t get the outrage, Of course his wife and daughter are going to stand up for him. He probably runs thier lives and their money. What do people expect? It’s sad.
you think you would at least say,” Dad you look completely orange and weird”. I would say that to my dad, with a few swear words thrown in.
Ha, Aussie girl, I have always wondered why no one close to Trump hasn’t insisted on a makeover. I can only conclude that they probably have and he is just that stubborn (and delusional) about his looks.
Stubborn yes, delusional maybe, but more like his appearance is his brand, and makes him easily recognizable. He’s all about the brand.
I would say nothing. I can honestly say that I would not support either of my parents if they spewed the crap that comes out of Trump’s mouth.
But then again, he controls the money, and I’m sure that a big part of her public support.
That’s what I said. They may not even believe what they are saying 100%. They are people who are obviously slaves to money or whatever type of treatment they have been privy too their whole life.
Doing the smart thing, like saying nothing seems to be something famous people don’t get.
That’s why we got a whole bunch of people putting their foots in their mouths when it comes to Woody Allen. No one remembers they could just say ,”no comment”
She could say “no comment” or at least not try to discredit the woman who made the claim. Don’t take away all of her power. She has a mind and she should use it.
I do wonder how “smart” she really is. She certainly doesn’t possess a lot of common sense in thinking she is believable as a defender of her father. And why isn’t she creeped out by daddy wanting to “do” her.
I get what you’re saying but realistically, saying “no comment” would be viewed as an indictment of her father’s behavior.
This is a presidential campaign with LOTS of people invested in Trump’s winning the election. If you’ve ever watched The Good Wife you know how low campaign managers will go. They probably pressured her to take one for the team.
I VERY highly doubt that she was pumped to go on national live television and be grilled about her misogynistic dad.
True. I’m not slightly sorry for this woman.
funny how Trump is on the attack against Hillary Clinton for not believing accusations against her husband but it’s OK for Trump, his wife and his daughter to discredit women who don’t blow smoke up his arse
“funny how Trump is on the attack against Hillary Clinton for not believing accusations against her husband”
She didn’t just not believe them, or pretend to anyway. She slandered and trashed these women and blamed the issue on the evil right. Her supposed feminism and defense of women stopped the moment her and her future power was put in jeopardy.
I don’t feel respected.
I still don’t get the orange skin. How doesn’t he know he’s citrus coloured?
This is the first time I have noticed how orange Donald’s skin is. Others have joked about it but that photo really shows it. Is that from fake tan spray?
I said the same yesterday…how can he look in the mirror and think that orange paint looks OK?
and with the obvious white circles around his eyes, indicating how he covers them for a spray tan?…even worse.
Ikr? You know he has a makeup artist, why don’t they put concealer around his eyes?
The same way he looks at the comb over and says
“Yeah. I look great. So luxurious.”
And some color on his lips so they don’t look purple?? How can he look in the mirror and not see a clown? How can voters not see it?
It’s got to be either fake tan lotion or makeup. If you look at other areas (I know…*shudder*) like his ear, neck, hands… they’re not the same orange color as his face.
As to the “circles” of white around his eyes… God only knows. Maybe he wears goggles when they spray on the airbrush makeup?
He’s focused on that lovely hair.
No one seems to mention another part of the article, which discussed how Trump has at times hired women as executives — wait for it — because he thinks they will work harder than men. I was tempted to find some (cringe) balance in the NYT article only in that it mentions these few women who have worked for him in executive positions (certainly Ivanka now, but her mother before her — Ivana ran at least one of the hotels). HOWEVER the same women discuss how Trump belittled them for weight gain, objectified them, etc. One former employee in particular is focused on in the article — it was a big deal that he hired a woman for her position at the time, apparently — and there’s clearly no love lost on her end now. He’s also quoted commenting with disdain on Ivana coming home and wanting to talk business at the end of the day — when all he wanted was someone to bring him his slippers and a highball, I guess. Bottom line — he’s still a misogynist and a narcissist. Not new news.
Lucretia I cringed when I ready he article The day it came out. That particular part of the article forme meant he expected women to work harder to prove themselves & he saw them as ways of cutting costs payroll wise (as women in those days & still today get less in salary). Trump strikes me as one that would look at all angles to save a dollar then claim he’s helping humanity by doing it.
Agreed.
Trump is an opportunist. He found a way to use these women to his advantage- I’m sure he doesn’t mind slave labour. Just another way he objectifies women. Once they are of no use, he would discard them like tissues, I’m sure.
We should ask Carolyn how she felt. She was his right hand woman for years and appeared on the Apprentice when it featured business people wannabes. She came across as tough and very smart. I think they did have a falling out and she left the company.
Didn’t the article say that even though Ivana did a great job running portions of the business, she didn’t actually have a salary? He was just trying to keep the little woman out of trouble, I guess.
This reminds me of the clip they showed on John Olivers show where Ivanka talks about when he was in such severe debt and they passed a homeless person on the street and Donald says “That guy has 8 million more than me”, how Donald still managed to find a way to be kind of a dick to a homeless person.
I’m sure she thinks she’s helping but she really isn’t. He’s indefensible.
Maybe, Ivanka should run as his Vice President, since no one else wants the job.
It wasn’t good wording. That’s his issue. But I know what he means. He is a proud father who thinks His daughter is a catch.
The special w Meghan Kelly was a piece of work, using each other for their agendas. One is no better than the other.
I don’t like Hillary either. This is like a bad nightmare.
So why not say, “Any man would be lucky to date my daughter”. He had better learn how to properly word things if he becomes POTUS.
See, that’s where the scary part of him for prez comes in. He is not going to learn how to properly word things, he thinks his way is perfect. Not just right, perfect. His words, his actions, all perfect.
The thing with Trump is he thinks he’s being funny!
The creepy factor seems to go over his head.
We better brace ourselves because it’s going to be Hillary v Trump.
How to pick from that???
I’m incredibly angry about this choice as I imagine many other are.
Sample dialogue of Trump as POTUS: “So we had Angela Merkel over to the house the other day. She was so disgusting, she ate like a pig! I don’t know what her problem was. She was bleeding from somewhere, I bet. Look at the face, why would those Germans even vote for her?”
And that would be his comments following a diplomatic dinner.
mayamae, you’re so funny, I nearly fell off my chair, laughing.
It is a bad nightmare, I cannot with integrity vote for either one as I have no faith in either of them to lead this country. I also can’t NOT vote. I’ve come to,the conclusion I will submit an admittedly useless write in vote, but it’s ceremonious to me nonetheless.
Does Ivanka really think her father would grope someone in front of her? He cheated on her mother! How isolated and clueless is she?
I am trying to figure out because she seems normal ish but how can she be? Even back when HBO did that documentary Born Rich, of all the people, even then (year? early 2000s maybe), she just seemed like she drank the kool-aid about being a * Trump *. I just wonder … is she suppressing ? What is her real story? And then she married Kushner who has a terrible reputation as a landlord in NYC. She said in NY Magazine years ago her parents getting divorced brought her closer to her dad. Did she not get angry at all? I actually dont know. I have read a few interviews with her but not that many. How she can not find her father alarming… I dont know. Just because it is her father doesnt mean at some point some of these things should register. Although he did help her build her own career, etc., so maybe not.
Funny, I read that Trump article and all I could think about was Bill Clinton (who has been properly vetted), a documented predator and rapist. And Bill’s wife Hillary, who enabled her husband and went after her husband’s victims. Trump seems pretty harmless compared to those guys…
I think they are cut from the same cloth.
Can you please explain how Hillary went after all those women? I can’t recall reading anything about it while he was president but my memory is known to be sketchy these days.
Google “Juanita Broaddrick”. I like to stay out of other people’s marriages, but I can not defend or admire a woman who stays with a man who systematically abuses women. Hillary is NOT a ferminist! Back then the media blamed the victims. Think about Monica L, she was only 20 and her life was ruined.
If Hillary divorced him now and came forward and said that no woman should stay married to a rapist/predator for ANY reason, I could respect her. She enables him by standing by her man for her political gain. She sickens me.
How is that any different than a woman watching her man murder someone and staying silent?
Trump has issues, but do we want a rapist and his enabling wife in OUR house?
Thanks for the info. I am sad that this is the only choices we have this year, and that’s not to say any other of the candidates offered before now are any better. Too many that only seem to listen to the small insulated groups around them.
@ItDoesntReallyMatter The media ruined Monica Lewinsky’s life. Hillary Clinton never came out to discredit her. Trump and Clinton are scum but the Clintons know politics. The answer unfortunately is yes I’d rather have the sick husband and enabling wife in the white house then the novice with no political experience.
@IDRM
Well said – you sum up my feeling exactly.
Monica’s life was ruined by the House Impeachment managers, not Hillary Clinton. And she told Lindsay Graham so in no uncertain terms. Upon moving to DC, Monica let people know that she was hoping to have an affair with Clinton. While no President should be fooling around with interns, it is an abuse of power in the employment situation, Monica was no innocent victim. She wanted an affair with a married President and she got it. What she didn’t expect was Hyde, Graham, Hutchinson, Sensenbrenner, McCollom and the rest of that crew to come sniffing around. And I would never expect an adulterer’s spouse to take the side of the other party.
As someone mentioned below, Trump’s first wife Ivanna accused him of physical and emotional abuse and rape. You should look that up. I understand not being a fan of the Clintons – I’m not either – but it’s really reaching to claim that he is any better than them.
@Lilacflowers Lewinsky also didn’t expect Linda Tripp.
Rapist? hmmmm…. At least Bill Clinton is not a boorish ape. Anyone who can excuse the disgusting ill mannered, vile behavior of Donald Trump by digging dirt on ANY politician is truly missing the point.
Dear Republicans,
You reap what you have sown.
There is zero excuse for getting behind this pig and anyone who is making excuses for him because he seems to support their agenda needs to have their heads examined.
This is like saying You don’t like Hillary Clinton so you’re going to support Joey Buttafuoco instead.
Seriously. They are practically the same guy. We are globally embarrassed right now.
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Are you kidding? Trump is harmless? I remember when trump had to settle a case about discremenation. He attaching a code letter of”C” to applications of African American who applied to rent an apartment. Guess what the “C” stand for colored, therefore no apartment available. I remember when he tried to steal a elderly woman’s home to build a parking lot and dragged her to court and harassed the heck out of her. I remember so man slimy thing that DT has done in nyc. Btw, there is an article today in the nynews about how he scammed $150,000 that should go to small business after the World Trade Center to help them get back on their feet. This man is the lowest of the low.
@BnA – Thank you! You took the words right out of my mouth. Agree completely. This man is far from harmless. I am not a Clinton apologist, but by no means does Trump seem harmless in comparison. At all.
Even putting aside all the reprehensible racist and misogynist words and actions in his past, Trump’s entire campaign is rooted in fanning the flames of hatred! He is courting the lowest and most dangerous element of American society and “legitimizing” their hatred in the political arena. As a Muslim American woman, I am truly alarmed. Regardless of race, religion, or gender, every American should be alarmed by Trump, his rhetoric, and his supporters. This man is far from harmless. To suggest otherwise, even “in comparison” to they Clintons, is mindboggling.
No, Bill Clinton is not a documented predator or a rapist. And even if he were, he. is. not. running. for. office.
“No, Bill Clinton is not a documented predator or a rapist.”
Right. Just an alleged one by numerous women over decades. But they’re probably all lying. Just like all the women who said they had consensual affairs with Bill. Obviously, lies across the board. Hill was one of the first to claim they were lying and led the way in defaming them along with Bob Bennett and James Carville.
Her father “respects” women.
Except her mother, whom he cheated on repeatedly and allegedly raped.
Except her stepmother (1), whom he cheated on as well.
Except for the woman he was on a date with when he asked Melania for her phone number.
Except for the countless women he’s denigrated based solely on their looks and/or gender.
Oh yeah, he’s a true feminist.
@TDRM, his first wife accused him of physical abuse and rape in court. She later recanted, I’m sure with pressure and threats and possible monetary. You can look it up. It’s like the kettle calling the pot black.
Yeah, but you know, people say all sorts of things during a divorce.
I’m not saying he’s not an idiot, but who knows what goes on behind closed doors?
@Myrna, True, but money talks and Ivanna got a nice divorce settlement. She did recant, but that doesn’t mean that her earlier accusation was untrue or just made up in revenge or for seeking a better divorce settlement.
I am a lawyer and I’ve seen many women (and a few men) claim abuse in divorce proceedings – sometimes as the cause of the marriage breakup. However, when pressure mounts and it looks like the divorce will go to trial, they may cave for a myriad of reasons. Sometimes, the pressure is too much, sometimes there are children involved and it is just easier to recant, especially if the spouse is willing to cough up a decent divorce settlement. This doesn’t mean that the earlier accusation was false. We can’t know what Ivanna’s motivations were, but I’m willing to give those accusations the benefit of the doubt. I’ve seen too many similar circumstances as an attorney – especially when the accused is a wealthy and powerful individual. It takes a lot of courage to make the accusation in the first place.
@Genie
While I respect your experiences as an attorney and your POV, I think it’s equally as likely that Ivanna made the accusations as part of hurt, betrayal and retaliation.
When examining your reputation, don’t just look at what people tell you that you are – look at what they are prompted to say that you are not: racist, mysogynist, Nazi, grouper, liar, cheater, business failure.
Groper – not grouper, autocorrect.
No, I think fish lips is a perfectly apt description. 🙂
One one hand I thought, well, Oompa is responsible for her livihood. He is her boss and you do not want to trash your boss on a public forum.
On the other, she is married to a Kushiner, whose family can crap on Oompa and he would not lift a finger to do anything because I really think they can crush him.
I wonder what Kushiner thinks about Trump?
Oh wait, this is Kushiner according to his wikipedia:
Kushner was raised in an Orthodox Jewish family in New Jersey.[1] He graduated from the Frisch School, a private, coed yeshiva high school in Paramus, New Jersey, and from Harvard College in 2003 with an A.B. in sociology. According to journalist Daniel Golden, Kushner and his brother Joshua Kushner were admitted despite modest academic credentials after their father had made a $2.5 million donation to the university,[5][6] with the director of the school’s college preparatory program describing Jared Kushner’s admission to be “an unusual choice for Harvard to make” given that he was “not anywhere near the top of his class.”[7][8]
Do I get that right or is there some slight hint that Kushiner’s admission to Harvard was due to his daddy’s donations to the same institution?
Ivanka Trump: My father completely respects attractive women who agree with everything he says.
Let’s all be real now. 😑
For sure on this!
This reminds me of the controversy over Arnold Schwarzenegger when he was running for governor of California, the well-sourced stories of his numerous disgusting groping incidents. Maria Shriver jumped into the fray with almost an identical argument to the one Ivanka Trump is coming out with now: He’s not like that, that’s not who he is, the women are lying, look at me, would I be OK with him if he was like that?
And we all know how that turned out for Maria.
Well, being a memeber of the Kennedy Clan there is a certain diadvantage when it comes to learning about healthy relationships between men and women.
When Maria Shriver met Schwarzenegger then he did probably remind her of the men in her family …
Yeah, I do totally criticise some male members of the Kennedy clan for their behaviour towards women.
I don’t know why everyone is surprised by this. He makes so many inappropriate comments about women, that would be construed as sexual harrassment, on the Apprentice. Just pull up any episode and he would be making comments about the female contestants – their looks, their assets. I mean sure I laughed at it because it’s a tv show but if it’s in real life, he’d be sued for those same comments.
As for Ivanka. She should have just not said anything because as a child, how much do you know what your parents do/did? The incidents happened a long time ago and she certainly wouldn’t be privvy to know what happened. She should ask Jerry Sandusky’s kids if they knew their father was a molester. Same thing.
hmm, this will be unpopular here but does Chelsea Clinton get asked about the women who have accused him of sexual assault, rape, etc? I don’t think so. The more the media tries to bash Trump, the more popular he becomes. He doesn’t have to pay for political ads, the media has him on the news channels constantly.
I’m hoping CC would never put herself out to the news trying to defend her father in those matters. IT is doing this interview to try to put a good spin on that story. Btw, the nyt story was not discredited. Dozens of women were interviewed and I believe one or two said they were quoted corrected but did not like how it looked. This is different than discredited.
Wasn’t Chelsea still a teenager when Monica-gate happened? Ivanka is a grown up. Also I think she was pushed by the Trump PR machine to come out and make a statement. The Clintons obviously held Chelsea back.
So? Chelsea is a grownup now and Bill would be “First Man” (I guess) if Hilary wins. Ivanka is her own woman and I doubt she was “pushed” to do anything. Chelsea is campaigning for her mother so why shouldn’t she be asked about he father’s behavior? I see a double standard here because most of you hate Trump, which is fine, and want Hillary to be president.
If the argument is Bill is not running, then they could ask her about her mother “standing by her man” and trying to destroy the women who accused him.
What’s good for the goose…
Well Meme we know all we need to know about the Clintons. I’m not going to recount their questionable behavior. It’s been played out in the media for those of us who remember it.
So Chelsea is an adult now. However what kind of input can she possibly give since those events occurred when she was a child and mostly likely shielded from the gossip (yes there’s the media but she grew up before social media hit its stride). Ivanka was pushed by the PR people to make a statement to counter the allegations. I’m sure if the press brought up all the Clinton shenanigans, Hilary may be compelled to respond or “push” Chelsea to respond but that hasn’t happened yet.
I’m frankly disappointed with what we have to choose from in this election. I don’t think Hilary should win (I don’t care if we share a female body part) because of her questionable practices. I absolutely think Trump is a buffoon who would lock up ugly people and immigrants in concentration camps. Really no choice at all.
Meme, do you know who’s running for office this year?
A woman who helped smear all of her husbands alleged victims and then pretends all females who allege abuse should automatically be believed.
Why feel sorry for Ivanka? This girl has it made in life. Never worked a real job in her life and has everything she has – inlcuding her executive position – all because of Daddy. And honestly, what else is she supposed to say – she’s in the will and wants to stay in it. She knows like the rest of us what a scum her father is. All she has to do is look back on how he treated her own mother, including raping her. I have zero respect for Ivanka Trump.
@Meme. It’s is fine to asked a question, the person being ask can always say, “no comment” and. move along. I’m a Hillary supporter because I believe she is the most qualified. I don’t believe DT has any idea what he’s saying, he changes with the wind by the day. Have you noticed he has not said one thing that he will do to bring back prosperity to the country. He told the NYT HE WILL NOT be building a wall, and this was off the record and he refused to sign a release to get the Story printed, just saying.
I don’t like Trump or Hillary, but fair is fair. Bill Clinton, who I happen to like, has been accused by a number of women of assault and rape. Whether it’s true or not, I don’t know, but the accusations are out there and have been for years. So if you’re going to ask Ivanka about accusations against her father, why not ask Chelsea about hers? The accusations against Clinton are worse. And Hillary stood by him and denounced the women vehemently.
Why should Chelsea be asked about the actions of her father? He’s not the one running for president. The children, adult or otherwise, on either side shouldn’t have to defend their parents to the public. The difference being in this particular, if I were a gambler, is that Trump made/coerced Ivanka into making this statement. Which is probably why we don’t hear much out of Chelsea.
Sarah Palin made me believe Idiocracy was possible; Donald Trump has shown that it is very real, and very, very close to happening.
What??????? There’s not going to be a wall? He promised! Do his supporters know this?
So you’re attacking Ivanka? Say what you want but all Trump’s kids are well educated and well spoken people and other than that hideous hunting incident, there has been no scandal about any of them.
Good lawyers and good publicists could make Al Capone like a pillar of society. Just look what publicists did do to Mia Farrow on Woody Allen’s demands.
Just as Melania Trumps interview confirmed : the Donald says before what he doesn’t mean afterwards. That and his remarks towards and about women do totally qualify him to become the POTUS. Nothing like an old mysoginist groper in the oval office. He could make Bill Clinton look positively women-embracing and feminist spearhead 😉 . Trump might even make Hillary look good as a former FLOTUS. I remember she wasn’t much loved. But when Melania spoilt-rich-kitten-arm-candy-of-sugardaddy Trump is in the White House Hillary’s time as FLOTUS will finally become cherished to the US Americans.
I always thought that Trump is Hillary’s best advert for her presidential campaign. He keeps confirming it.
So, Ivanka’s husband doesn’t come forward to support Daddy-in-law?
Trump will always be loathsome, and no amount of whitewashing can change that. I can’t believe how far he’s gotten in the election so far, and can’t figure out why he hasn’t been derailed. I can only hope he is soundly trounced in November. If Trump wins, the future looks pretty bleak for the US, in my opinion.
@ Duchess of Corolla
Yep, if Trump becomes POTUS then at least the bottom 70% will suffer.
Do you really think the WWE guest host has wooed enough americans yet? Everyone’s parents I know New Yorkers and generally liberals are voting for him. I’m very scared. these are the 65 and up range but those are the voters!!!
Has everyone forgotten this: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/27/ex-wife-donald-trump-made-feel-violated-during-sex.html
Very disturbing.