Miss California is still relishing her fifteen minutes of fame. To celebrate her Miss USA runner-up status, and to promote her pride in being anti-gay marriage, she sat down for a radio interview with Rex Wockner. I had never heard of Wockner, but I looked him up and he’s some big-time gay journalist with a blog and a radio show and he has “reported news for gay media for 25 years in 300+ publications in 38 countries.” He’s also been called “the one-man gay Associated Press”, which is a pretty great compliment.

It’s actually a pretty long interview, so I edited it down a little. If you want to read what Miss California said about California’s Proposition 8 or President Obama (not much), you should read the whole thing. I actually went searching for the entire interview because I thought there was a chance Carrie Prejean’s quotes were being taken out of context on other blogs, but as it turns out, she actually said some moronic stuff:

Rex Wockner: Clearly, nobody would ever get up there (at the Miss USA pageant) and say, “I don’t think black people should be able to marry white people” or something like that. Or nobody would get up there and say something sexist. And people are wondering if maybe we’ve gotten to a moment in American culture where you can’t really say something that’s interpreted as anti-gay anymore, like you might have been able to five years ago. Do you think maybe that’s what could have happened, or, if not, what do you think happened in Vegas that led to all this media stuff?

Carrie Prejean: I think the key thing is tolerance, and I think Perez Hilton had, obviously, a hidden agenda, because of the reaction immediately after the pageant. He didn’t agree with what I said, therefore he wanted to go out there and bash me and say things that were very hurtful. So, I think that this wouldn’t be happening right now had he not have done that. So, it would have just been me saying my own opinions, which I’m entitled to, just as you are, and I think it would have been over with. But the fact that he went out there and attacked me, you know, verbally, that’s why this is all happening right now.

Rex: Do you think that same-sex marriage is just a matter of time, that clearly society is evolving in that direction, and that we’re going to look back on these days as the way we look back on days when white and black people couldn’t get married to each other, or do you think it’s going to be a very long fight to try to get Americans to accept that?

Carrie: I definitely think it’s going to be a very long fight. As you can see in California, you know, we had already ruled that, you know, with Proposition 8, that was already discussed that marriage is between a man and a woman. We voted on it. Um, so, I think that it maybe will be a matter of time, but I don’t see that coming anytime soon.

Rex: And, I guess, last question: What would be so wrong with two women who love each other getting married?

Carrie: What would be so wrong with two women that love each other?

Rex: What would be so wrong with that? Yeah.

Carrie: What don’t you see wrong with that?

Rex: I don’t see anything wrong with it.

Carrie: Why?

Rex: Uh, why don’t — oh, this is fun — why don’t I see anything wrong with it? Uh, because they’re in love with each other, and they want to spend their lives together, and marriage is kind of the way that our society recognizes that two people love each other and want to spend their lives together and make commitment and be financially intertwined and be faithful and, you know, permanent. So, why should that be something that gay people can’t do? There’s gay people all around us all the time.

Carrie: Exactly, and this is nothing against gay people. I have a lot of friends that are gay. This is not a verbal attack on gay people. It’s just a matter of opinion, and the way that I was raised, the way that I was brought up, that was not an option. I knew I was going to marry a man growing up. And so, for me, it’s a biblical thing, it’s something that I was raised believing, um, that a marriage, you know, is between a man and a woman. Barack Obama even supports that. The majority of the people in our nation support that. The secretary of state supports that. So, I don’t see anything wrong with it.

Rex: I understand that you were raised to believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, and I understand that you grew up knowing that you were always going to marry a guy, but you’re heterosexual. Um, some people are born gay, maybe, you think?

Carrie: No, I don’t think so.

Rex: OK, so now we’re getting somewhere.

Carrie: I think it’s a behavior that develops over time.

Rex: Why would someone choose it, given that if you choose that, you get discriminated against?

Carrie: Um, because obviously Perez Hilton doesn’t think that there’s anything wrong with it.

Rex: No, but if being gay is a choice, rather than something you’re born with, why would you choose something that’s going to lead to your being discriminated against? What would be the motivation?

Carrie: I’m not sure what the motivation would be.

Rex: OK. Me either.

[Transcript from Rex Wockner’s Blog]

Ah, yes. Being gay is a choice. Everybody knows that, Gay Journalist! Here’s my question: Even though Miss California doesn’t want the gays to get married, and she thinks it’s their own fault for choosing to be gay, is she really homophobic? Does she really hate gay people, or does she only subscribe to anti-gay politics? Because US Weekly has a story up about how Carrie was partying with famous transsexual and “gay icon” Amanda Lepore. Apparently, the gays are good enough to get drunk with.

In added twist, Keith Lewis, one of the state directors of the Miss California pageant has blasted Carrie. Lewis released this statement: “Given the fact that Carrie Prejean’s first act upon returning to California was to headline five services at a church that promotes homosexuality as both unnatural and abnormal, we stand by our concern for her individual image and look forward to a time in the near future when she can put down her personal agenda and assume the responsibilities associated with being MISS CALIFORNIA USA, including promoting our official platform, ‘The Beauty of California,’ which sole purpose (sic) is to embrace diversity.” Ouch.