Amber Heard’s lawyer to press, LAPD: ‘Amber is the victim. Amber is a hero’

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After reading Amber Heard’s full court filing against Johnny Depp I’m not surprised by the way Johnny’s team has tried to smear her. Amber tried to keep this out of the press by not issuing a statement to police on May 21, the day Johnny attacked her. She has visible bruising on her face and multiple eyewitnesses. Her lawyer tried to work with Johnny’s business attorney to settle this out of court. She’s asking for $50,000 a month spousal support because that’s right around her monthly expenses. Plus, from what I read on TMZ she’s required to ask for spousal support at this point legally. Johnny is worth $400 million and she surely adopted a different lifestyle when she married him. Asking for 1/2 a million a year in LA when you’re a celebrity married to an A-lister sounds perfectly reasonable to me, but of course people are using it to portray her as a golddigger after his money.

Johnny and his people are trying to paint her as the villain and act like she attacked Johnny, not the other way around. In fact TMZ is reporting that Johnny’s bodyguards are going to claim that Amber was regularly abusive to Johnny. This is a very classic abuser tactic and the way Johnny’s side is responding really brings it home to me that Amber is telling the truth. In fact the book Why Does He Do That?: Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men by Lundy Bancroft pretty much lays out Johnny Depp’s entire strategy so far in attempting to discredit Amber. Now Amber’s lawyer has issued a long statement about the way this has played out in the press. She says that Amber is going to go to the LAPD to give a statement on the criminal case. She also states that they’ve tried to stay quiet so far but that Johnny’s team has forced their hand and that Amber is the victim, not Johnny. Good for them.

As the result of Amber’s decision to decline giving an initial statement to the LAPD, her silence has been used against her by Johnny’s team. Amber did not provide a statement to the LAPD in an attempt to protect her privacy and Johnny’s career. Johnny’s team has forced Amber to give a statement to the LAPD to set the record straight as to the true facts, as she cannot continue to leave herself open to the vicious false and malicious allegations that have infected the media. Amber has suffered through years of physical and psychological abuse at the hands of Johnny.

In domestic violence cases, it is not unusual for the perpetrator’s playbook to include miscasting the victim as the villain. In reality, Amber acted no differently than many victims of domestic violence, who think first of the harm that might come to the abuser, rather than the abuse they have already suffered. Amber can no longer endure the relentless attacks and outright lies launched against her character in the Court of Public Opinion since the tragic events of May 21st. With her statement Amber hopes to give the LAPD the opportunity to conduct an accurate and complete investigation into the events of that evening and before. If that occurs, and the truth is revealed, there is no doubt that Amber’s claims will be substantiated beyond any doubt, and hopefully Johnny will get the help that he so desperately needs.

From the beginning it has been Amber’s desire to keep this matter as private as possible, even though LAPD officers responded to a 911 call made by a third-party. The LAPD officers viewed not only the disarray that Johnny had caused in the apartment but also the physical injuries to Amber’s face. We filed the Petition for Dissolution of Marriage at the very end of the day on Monday May 23rd and we did not serve Johnny with the Petition at the premiere of Alice Through the Looking Glass that evening. We sent a letter to Johnny’s counsel team the next morning making it clear we wanted to keep this matter out of the media. We then held off requesting a domestic violence restraining order as we knew that Johnny was out of the country.

We took the high road. Unfortunately, Johnny’s team immediately went to the press and began viciously attacking Amber’s character. Amber is simply a victim of domestic violence, and none of her actions are motivated by money. Amber is a brave and financially independent woman who is showing the courage of her convictions by doing the right thing against Johnny’s relentless army of lawyers and surrogates.

The Family Law Court is not going to be influenced by misinformation placed in the social media based on anonymous sources. Amber is the victim. Amber is a hero.

[From Just Jared]

This was very well put and I wish more outlets would put the entire analysis of Amber’s court filing online instead of parceling it out, letting Johnny’s side spin this and casting doubt on her story. Johnny is still trying to control Amber through the press only she’s not taking it anymore. He’s going to continue to try to destroy her and it just makes him look more desperate and guilty. I do feel sorry for her. Whether Amber married Johnny for opportunistic purposes or not, whether she’s seeking spousal support or not, whether she was too happy, too sad, not wearing enough makeup or mugging it up at an event, she’s still a victim of domestic abuse. How is that so hard to grasp?

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  1. Shelby says:

    I feel sorry for her and any victim of domestic abuse.

    • anna says:

      johnny got stuck playing hunter s. thompson. sweaty, violent and on drugs.

      • Megan says:

        Exactly. He is trapped in a self destructive caricature of himself. If he wants to drink and drug himself to an early death so be it, but when he he harms other people it’s time to own up to his violent behavior and end this charade.

      • Ravensdaughter says:

        I saw the Hunter S. Thompson parallel, too.
        What’s with his teeth? I know methamphetamine (because it is acid based) can seriously damage the user’s mouth and teeth, but what else?
        This is tragic story. I hope Amber is backed up by the judge and that she gets to move on with her life.
        I think of Rihanna and how long it took her to move on, but it seems she finally did.
        Stay strong, ladies.

      • JenYfroMTheBlok says:

        JD does have a sincere chameleon thing. With Keith Richards and Hunter S Thompson.
        HST was a known domestic abuser – my mom was his neighbor in the 70s. He also rang his latest wife in the phone and told her to listen while he shot himself to death. Spooky person to emulate.

      • annaloo. says:

        Team I don’t know.

        Does anyone remember when Heather Mills came out with abuse allegations against Paul McCartney during their split. I remember the whole “Those breasts are mine!” comment …

        The only witness to any of this on a regular basis wouls have been Johnny Depp’s mother. These allegations are so serious, and I am not in their relationship, I wasn’t there, but physical abuse or any type of assault is wrong.

        Someone made a point to one of my comments over the weekend that Amber’s gunning for money was necessary because it was likely her career was over. I think that comment is correct:

        Will you go see Aquaman for Amber now?

      • Petee says:

        Thank you annaloo.Yes I remember Paul McCartney and Heather Mill’s.What a mess that was.Everyone should stay neutral till more comes out.This guy is getting lynched on this site.We have no idea what happened.We were not there,And no I will not see Amber.I wouldn’t before and I won’t now.

      • What was that says:

        @Annaloo…I am with you on I don’t know…
        I am not going to be an armchair psychologist …
        It is all hearsay ……let the police investigate…
        I am not ready to judge …anyone…
        So no doubt will be attacked for that ..is that not also abuse?
        ……

      • Zwella Ingrid says:

        Thanks Annaloo. He is presumed innocent until proven guilty. You all need to put up your pitch forks up for now.

      • SilkyMalice says:

        No, he is not presumed innocent until proven guilty when it comes to the court of public opinion, especially in light of all of the evidence (including eye witnesses and photos of bruises) I feel pretty damn secure in the fact that Amber has been the victim of domestic violence.

      • annaloo. says:

        @SilkyMalice– Understandable, no one wants to see anyone hurt at the hands of another. My only point is that this narrative has happened before (my example of McCartney & Heather Mills) to simply prove that we don’t have all the facts yet – and we may never. I hope, above all, that justice is served, but the only way for that to happen is for ALL the facts to be revealed and come to light. WE haven’t had a statement directly from Depp, we have not seen this purported video that exists, but we have a woman with bruises on her face, a divorce filing and a takedown of a major Hollywood star; I’ve learned in today’s internet media culture, a story can look one way this week, and completely different the next. I respectfully hold my judgment of both Johnny and Amber…Team I Don’t Know.

      • Samtha says:

        Yeah, the “presumed innocent” argument has never held water for me. If your best friend/son/daughter came to you and said someone had abused them, would you say, “Well, he’s innocent until proven guilty, so I won’t judge”?

        Of course not. At least I hope not.

        There’s absolutely nothing wrong with a person looking at the evidence that is available and drawing their own conclusions from it.

      • Bread and Circuses says:

        Ditto. Team Amber.

      • Carol says:

        @annaloo – I agree with you completely. I don’t know who is telling the truth and will wait till they go to court. The ones I truly feel for are Depp’s kids.

      • What was that says:

        The difference is this is not someone you know trust or love..This is two actors and rich ones at that…hold your emotion and judgement and do not be manipulated by either side..This is not someone you know telling you they have been abused..even if you think you know them…through the media..

      • Natalie says:

        Heather Mills had a lifelong story of grifting including bilking charities. There was a comprehensive Vanity Fair article before the wedding on her history of lying and stealing. And Paul did not have a history of aggression and violence like Depp. Yes, destroying hotel rooms counts.

        Amber has witness and video. I believe Amber.

      • isabelle says:

        Did Mills ever have pictures or eyewitnesses to the abuse? Its been sometime and honestly can’t remember but remember it as her not having either. While Amber has both.

      • EOA says:

        Heather Mills never had any photos. And regardless, Heather Mills is Heather Mills. That Heather Mills made unproven allegations is not evidence that Amber Heard did.

      • Intuitive says:

        Heather Mills has a personality disorder and was/is a notorious liar who has been caught out many times. Not exactly the same situation.

      • Timbuktu says:

        @Samtha,
        well, you’re argument is quite inane, too. There’s a reason we want the jury to be impartial and unfamiliar to both parties. Appealing to feelings is not always the wisest thing. After all, all the abusers and liars are also someone’s relatives and friends, would you like it if their friends rallied around the abusers regardless?

      • Chaser says:

        Wtf. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Why on this site is woody Allen dragged rough the mud due to allegations – just allegations – but allegations against johnny Depp (even with the evidence we’ve been shown) mean we have to remain neutral until the courts decides???
        Some people on this site are honestly disgusting. I’m under no illusion that JDs support comes from the fact he was a heart throb for so long. If woody was better looking would he get more support?

        Not a woody supporter at all but the level of hypocrisy is worrying.

      • LAK says:

        Heather Mills made lots of accusations which she couldn’t substantiate. Not once did she show any evidence to colloborate her acvusations. She also had a lifelong documented history of lying and making stuff up. Amber is not the same as Heather, and Johnny is not the same as Paul.

    • Sammy B says:

      Random question – how long does spousal support last? Is this for a couple of years or forever

      • OTHER RENEE says:

        In California I believe it’s half the length of the marriage in a short term marriage (i.e. less than 10 years). Someone can correct me if that’s wrong.)

      • Katja says:

        Depends on the court settlement. That relies heavily on the lenghts of the marriage, if there are children, if one partner stopped working for the other, etc.

        Often for a few years or as long as children are cared for if there are any, sometimes a lifetime (usually when there are kids), but only if she never remarries someone.

        Most of the time though in the case of such a short marriage they’ll settle for a one time payment instead of continuous spousal support.

      • Sammy B says:

        Ugh…so why didnt he just pay up and let her heal. Like wtf… although #iamwithamber I will wait until the court case is over to make a full judgement. I also 100% believe he has serious drug dependency issues and needs help.

      • Nicole says:

        Since I live in CA, and am currently going through a divorce. I can answer this for you, somewhat. CA is a community property state. So during the time of their marriage, legally, Amber can obtain half of whatever income, retirement, stock, Johnny received during the time of their marriage. Anything under 10 years, is considered a short term marriage and support is awarded for 1/2 of the length. After 10 years, it is considered a long term marriage, and support is awarded for no set length of time, just when the spouse receiving support decides to remarry. So in her case, at most she will get spousal support for 7 1/2 months, or Johnny will give her a lump sum of cash in lew of monthly support.

      • MSgirl says:

        No I am not. I’m going to see Aqua Man for Aqua Man….I had no idea Amber was in the movie.

      • Colette says:

        It will be seven months for her according to CNN.1/2 length of the marriage.

      • saras says:

        No matter what happened they should both donate a lot of cash to domestic violence shelters! They need it more than these two is the only absolute truth☆

      • Megan says:

        In the over all scheme of things, she is asking for very little money from someone worth almost half a billion dollars. She gave him the opportunity to bow out gracefully, but he is so self destructive and vindictive, he’d rather destroy himself than do the right thing. Instead of rallying to his defense, his family and friends should be begging him to enter rehab. The longer he spins out of control, the more damage he will do.

      • Me says:

        In Amber’s case, that was married for 15 months it should be 30 months
        50K = 30 months like nothing for a man so rich as Johnny
        He must have agreed with her first. I don’t know what was he thinking? Maybe he didn’t want to divorce her and wanted to make it difficult for her

    • Nike says:

      Wow…

      Go away for a few days, and shit blows up.

      Read everything; I believe Amber. It seems to me she was in a very young and dumb phase when she hooked up with Johnny… we’ve all been there. Maybe not with a movie star, but someone… someone we saw through rose-colored glasses, who turned out to be totally wrong for us. Maybe even a little scary.

      She should have left sooner, but I get why she didn’t. It’s hard to see clearly in those situations, and fear abounds. If Johnny had any decency, he’d stop with the smear campaign, own up and apologize. It really sucks that he’s devolved into this selfish, violent mess… but maybe it was always there, and we were ALL wearing rose-colored glasses where he was concerned.

      I think he needs help, and I think he needs to leave Amber alone. And I feel very bad for Amber… just a shitty situation all around.

    • Melanie says:

      I’ve never liked her, but I also feel incredibly sorry for her. I agree with other posters saying that she can be both dislikable AND a victim of abuse. The people that are attacking her, saying she has some evil, masterplan to destroy JD…I just can’t take them serious. She had to know the attacks that would come IF she was making it all up. That’s an incredibly stupid gamble to take, and there are much easier ways to divorce a rich, powerful man.

      I have a few points; 1) I don’t think the divorce filing came out of the blue. I would bet she contacted her attorney after her birthday assault. She was setting things in motion should she have the courage to divorce him. When the shit hit the fan on the 21st, everything was ready to go. That’s why the filing seemed so quick. 2) Anyone trying to point out that his security isn’t speaking up OR that they are defending JD. Ummm, non-disclosure agreements anyone? Who knows what they signed and what they are even legally bound to say. Also, this is their livelihood. I’m not surprised they’re defending him. I’d be surprised if they weren’t. 3) OMG if I hear about the LAPD “sources” from TMZ one more time I’m going to scream. Really, after OJ, after how can anyone pretend that police aren’t influenced by the power and wealth in Hollywood? Also, I have not seen anything official from the LAPD. Correct me if I’m wrong. This is all hearsay from creepy Harvey Levin. The officers may have seen signs of abuse but we don’t know. So all the talk about it really pisses me off. Also, where was she when they arrived? At the friends condo next door or her home she shared with JD? If she wasn’t home, they wouldn’t have seen the torn up apartment.

      She made the right decision filing a report. I support her 100 %. JD’s team did this to themselves. They forced her to do this. Now they can stop crying about no police report. I really believe she wanted to do this as quietly as possible. She knows the gossip about her and that people don’t like her. She’d have to be a complete idiot to make all of this up. Much easier to stay with the guy and bleed him dry secretly over a number of years. Anyone that thinks this is the easy way out is a fool.

    • Tami b says:

      I’m so disappointed as you are usually right about things but I think you are super wrong here. I don’t believe for one minute he abused her – this was predicted over a year ago

  2. diamond says:

    Does Amber want a divorce or to fight a losing PR game? Why waste her time.

    • Roxane says:

      What PR ? She’s talking to the police and what exactly is wrong with defending her reputation.

    • HeidiM says:

      I don’t think that she’s losing the PR game, and she’ll need it to stay on it given the power of his PR Team.

      • Birdix says:

        This statement made me nervous, frankly. It was so poorly written (true facts?) that these attorneys seem like amateurs. Does legalese involve a lot of Random Capitalization?
        I hope they are smarter and savvier than they seem with this statement.

      • Who ARE these people? says:

        Birdix, I looked at their statement again. There are no random capitalizations, only appropriately capitalized references to legal documents and institutions, such as Family Law Court and Petition for Dissolution of Marriage.

        As for “true facts,” it makes more sense in context, as in ‘factual information that is in dispute.’ Depp’s surrogates are, in their view, alleging “false facts” (IE untrue version of events) in that case.

        It can seem confusing, but it is legal jargon. As an editor, I found their statement to be well-written and professional.

      • Birdix says:

        Ack–this is why I didn’t go to law school! The word fact to me presumes truth so that it would be repetitive to say true facts, and unnecessary if she’s giving a statement to the police to add afterward that she’s giving the true facts, because it should be assumed that her statement is the truth. And the Court of Popular Opinion is not a real court :) so I see no need for capitalization there, and third-party doesn’t need to be hyphenated unless it’s an adjective.
        All that said, I defer to your greater knowledge of legal jargon! I have lots of attorneys in my family and I realize that it’s a different language and way of writing, because every thing has to be so carefully worded. To me it seems repetitive, but as you say, I’m sure there’s a good reason for that careful wording. I’m glad to hear that my worries about her team are in vain.

    • ida says:

      I believe she wants justice. I would if I were in her shoes. what he does through his pr team is cruel and unnecessary as he could have taken the high road, too. admiting he is unwell, apologize, go to rehab and make heard go away silently. anyway. I thought about what someone wrote yesterday that somebody close to JD shall take him to a doctor as it seems that he suffers from an early form of dementia…. I cannot judge that but if there is the slightest chance that he looses his life/sanity/memory right now because he took drugs/drank alcohol for too long… I would think he should better focus on something else than touring as a trainwreck and fighting his soon to be exwife who will outlive him for decades. I PITY him because he is dumb and throws away what is left. wonderful time with his children. and all because of hurt vanity he might not even remember in a couple of years… nevertheless I HOPE heard will get compensated for this witch hunt she has to go through. #IamwithAmber

    • Natalie says:

      It’s interesting reading all the criteria set out by some posters for Amber to be “a perfect victim.” Did I say interesting? I meant depressing.

    • Flowerchild says:

      Funny how your saying this about her, but not him and his PR slander campaign.

      • Melanie says:

        Exactly. They forced her hand. If she wants a long-term protection order, she needs to be believed by the court. So his team pushed and pushed, called her a liar twenty different ways, and I’m sure her attorney said enough! I’m sure his attorney will now say this was a vindictive filing, but she had no choice.

    • Lucy says:

      I think she really wants people to believe her; understandably when you are a victim of abuse it’s even worse to have the whole world think you are a liar and gold digger-it’s not unfair to say she wants both.
      Personally, and I’m sure I will get a bit attacked over this, I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I think they are both toxic together and both abusive to each other, she was probably dramatic and verbally abusive and he was drunk and high and verbally and physically abusive to her. I in no way think she deserves anything that has happened to her but I also think this is where she looses a lot in the public eye, I think her team is trying to make her seem completely good and innocent when the truth is they were both probably really horrible to each other and he escalated really quickly from verbal to physical.

      • Sammy B says:

        Agree with you Lucy. I don’t think Amber is 100% innocent in the toxicity of this marriage and I believe Johnny is exactly the same as he was before they married, but that gives him no right to physically abuse her.

      • Who ARE these people? says:

        There is no evidence that she was “dramatic” and verbally abusive toward him.
        There is evidence – and eyewitnesses – that he was verbally and physically abusive toward her. People should really stop seeing what they want to see; we are not all Dr. Phil.

      • Noname says:

        @Who are these people- unfortunately the only witnesses she has are her friends because his security team are the ones stating she abused him not the other way around and that they did not see Johnny Depp attack her on May 21.

        If she has a video, she is going to need to produce it.

      • Who ARE these people? says:

        Noname … bleagh. I guess we’ll have to see if it comes to court, when any and all have to speak under oath.

      • wolfpup says:

        To me, Amber’s vindictiveness speaks volumes about the toxicity between the *two* of them. She wants to rip him apart in a greater fashion than a bruise.. His mother just died, he’s not cooperating, so Amber goes nuclear. That’s a lot of hate to be working with (!) – They are Both Victims. It seems to me that Amber and her girlfriends are thoroughly enjoying treating themselves with moral indignation and delight in the possibility of ruining Johnny. This is unusual in domestic violence cases because more often than not, the woman is reluctant to prosecute.

        Both parties will suffer heavy injury with continued hostility. This is mutual abuse and it seems like the fighters are in the pen and the audience is going wild.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        “She wants to rip him apart in a greater fashion than a bruise”…” This is mutual abuse”

        WHAT?! You think that holding him legally accountable for his actions is a worse kind of violence than hitting someone until they bruise? You think that filing a restraining order and getting divorce is a form of ABUSE?!?! You can’t be serious.

      • wolfpup says:

        Perhaps it’s the escalation of the hostility seems more destructive than justifiable. Of course, when a man hits you, one must leave forever.

    • TheOtherSam says:

      This is exactly what I would ask Depp: do you just want a divorce or to fight a harmful pr battle? Because he has a ton more to lose, publicly, than she ever will.

      He needs to come home and show up clean and sober, and state unequivocally “I never struck Amber, never verbally abused her and she is lying” before I’ll even entertain his side. Using third party proxies to attack her or make his case (his exes, daughter) isn’t making his case for a set up. If he’s going to fight this, then fight it. Half assed attempts at attacking his accuser’s character – her motives for marrying him, her choice of friends, sexual orientation – will only backfire longterm.

      Especially if she has other evidence like a video or other witnesses. We’ll be in for a long summer of retribution and repercussion, none of it positive for him. He is the one with everything to lose. Amber is already free of him.

      • Lahdidahbaby says:

        Not to nitpick your post, TheOtherSam, but it does feel important to say something about your last point, which was “Amber is already free of him.” I speak from personal experience when I say that if Amber was abused (I believe her), then it will be a long time, if ever, before she is “free of him.” It has been years for me, and I still break into a sweat and become shaky when any scene of violence comes on TV or in a movie. I still panic and have flashbacks when I’m in a room with anyone who is losing their temper. I still struggle not to see myself as weak, a failure, damaged goods (his favorite things to hurl at me).

        And all that aside, look at the character assassination she is undergoing in the media, courtesy of his PR team and his band of loyal followers. How can you say she is free of him?

        And no one has mentioned love. Many suspect she never loved him, but just married him out of ambition. But we don’t know that. And if she did love him, she’s not free of him on that count either, because even when love goes terribly wrong, it still has a hold on you.

        In no sense is Amber Heard free of Johnny Depp.

      • TheOtherSam says:

        I am sorry for your experience @Lahdidahbaby, and appreciate your speaking of it. In no way did I mean that Amber is “free” of Depp in that she’s totally free from the fallout from their marriage and this incident. Obviously it will be some time before things are concluded (the idiotic way Depp is handling it, it could be a while) and things die down where it’s not in the press anymore. And it will have to die down, otherwise Depp will have no career left to save – he and his team won’t want more negative attention. My main point above was, he’s the one with the most to lose (professionally/publicly) from here out. And he holds the power as to what direction this will take, up or down.

        What I meant is that she’s free from being hit and physically attacked by him again. He can’t or won’t go near her so that part of the nightmare is over. No more physical violence (unless he’s nutty enough to try). She could though have personal issues stemming from this and as you said, fallout for some time. Hopefully she has a support system in place to assist her in the coming weeks/months.

      • Lahdidahbaby says:

        Thanks for your kind reply to my post, TOS, and for not misunderstanding my intentions in writing it.

      • TheOtherSam says:

        No thank you for pointing out the inconsistency there and allowing me to explain/correct it :) Best wishes to you :)

  3. neocleo says:

    AND there goes the very last decent feeling I had for Johnny. What a fall.

  4. Miss S says:

    So are some people now going to say her lawyer is lying about what the police saw and found? I wonder if media outlets who shared lies to discredit her won’t be held accountable. They rarely are:/

    • Goldie says:

      The thing is, the LAPD did indeed release a statement saying that they saw no physical evidence of a crime. It wasn’t just tmz’s sources. Were they lying to protect Johnny and cover their own tracks for not investigating properly? If so, that’s a scary thought. It shows how men get away with abusing women and law enforcement actually helps them.

      • TG says:

        The LAPD are notoriously (going back many many years) shady organization. They have about as much clout as TMZ at this point.

      • doofus says:

        “It shows how men get away with abusing women and law enforcement actually helps them.”

        I apologize if this comes off as snarky as I don’t mean it that way but…

        …this would NOT be the first time that it’s happened. gross, I know…

      • Goldie says:

        Just to be clear, I totally believe Amber. Just think it’s sad that the LAPD would make a false statement about DV. At the very least, they could have just said nothing. I just hope that will indeed investigate properly now.

        @ doofus I’m aware that men have been getting away with abusing women for ages and continue to do so. I was just sad to see yet another blatant example.

      • Miss S says:

        I read that yesterday on people magazine website and it even mentioned a name of he officer who gave the info. My question is if there are no consequences of talking to the media saying lies.

        Most people who discredit her do because:
        1) the police report
        2) her $50,000 request

        But most people also think that 50,000 is a lot of money (for us probably, not for him) and assume that our money dynamics and lifestyle are the same as with rich people. And there are also legal reasons that can justify this, as this would always be temporary and probably took out from the final agreement value after the divorce. We need a California lawyer to explain all of this to us.

      • doofus says:

        totally dig, Goldie…my point was meant more in the line of “yup, you’re right, and it sucks”.

        I hope Heard gives it all she’s got. apparently, seems like Depp is turning into (or maybe we’re just now finding out that he was all along) another Sheen.

  5. Maplesbass says:

    I mentioned it on the other post but I think it’s worth posting here. Sali Hughes has done a great article on the difference between how men and women are treated in dv cases. “Fortune favours the famous male perpetrator” http://bit.ly/280gz1H

  6. Talie says:

    Her only defense is doing everything by the book, which she has done so far. His team is too hellbent on ruining her.

    • Pandy says:

      Except she had the police in her house and there were no signs of injury and she didn’t press charges. And her witnesses did not see him do more than yell and break stuff. So, not quite by the book.

      • Lex says:

        What book are you talking about?
        Is there some guide as to how domestic violence victims need to act?

        There is essentially no typical way people act after DV – some may be traumatised and fearful of retribution, some may document everything and then be accused of faking it as ‘how could they have planned ahead and filmed if they were really so scared?’

        There is literally no perfect victim of any crime and to expect that is absolutely ridiculous.

      • Wilma says:

        Except that her neighbour put her herself between Depp and Heard to protect Heard and got pummeled herself as per the addevit on the request for a restraining order. And except that this neighbour has stated that she is willing to testify further.

      • Lambda says:

        Pandy, if you think that she might have inflicted her injuries herself, sorry, that’s not proof of discernment, but of inner ugliness.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        “her witnesses did not see him do more than yell and break stuff”

        “Assault” is an attempt to initiate harm or a threat to do so. If he was yelling that he was going to hit her, if he picked up a bottle and pulled back like he was going to hit her with it, if he pulled a fist as if he was going to punch her, he would still have committed a crime, even if as you wrote it was just “yell and break stuff”.

      • Who ARE these people? says:

        Preach, Tiffany.

        Only little kids “yell and break stuff” – and get away with it. Sort of. And then they are taught not to yell and break stuff. Especially around other people.

      • SilkyMalice says:

        Right Tiffany. She has multiple witnesses to his assault of her. It is only because Depp has decided to play dirty and try to trash her in the media that she has been forced to show her cards. I doubt he even remembers what happened, quite frankly. Damn idiot deserves to go down.

  7. Margo S. says:

    I agree. Very well put. Great lawyer. Too bad for johnny, once the LAPD investigation is done, he will be found guilty and thrown in jail. He clearly, OBVIOUSLY has an issue with booze and drugs. Look at him!!! No one wants to believe it but this isn’t johnny back when pirates first came out. This is johnny now. Mid life crisis with eyeliner.

  8. BritAfrica says:

    So so pleased her team is doing this at last. Make this the criminal case it is and have this man arrested.

    Abusers like this thug get away with it because the woman is usually worried about how she will be portrayed. His people are brutalising her image anyway so take this to the wall…….give them nowhere to go. Good for her!

    • Me says:

      And fans? I’m stunned to read here people defending him, when many times before that same people used to comment here about why she always seemed to have bruises on her arms unsucessfully hidden under makeup
      Now all those fans discredit her claims that she was abused

  9. Missy says:

    I’m not one to comment, but CB you put this so well that I must applaud you. It’s so difficult to come forward as a victim, and it would be made far easier by more supportive community members willing to stand strong alongside her or him.

  10. Bridget says:

    I wonder if Johnny has even been listening to his team, because this is just getting worse. Who was going to be swayed by Doug Stanhope?

    The more he tries to smear her, the more it gives credence to the idea of him being a controlling abuser. Everything his team has been putting out reeks of rage at being thwarted.

  11. anna says:

    at first i thought calling her a hero is not a smart move. but then again, look at this witch hunt, at the attitude towards victims of dv. amber shouldn’t have to make herself smaller or more humble just to feed into the good victim stereotype.

  12. Ellie says:

    Wait, why is the spousal support request reasonable again?

    She is getting 20 million dollars as her 50% of their joint earnings during the marriage, maybe more. She was married for 15 months. It is not reasonable to ask for an additional 50k a month in perpetuity.

    Spousal support is for when spouses have GIVEN UP their earning potential or livelihood for a marriage. Then it’s fair to have someone pay up to keep you in a shared lifestyle. Amber Heard has worked throughout and this has likely boosted her profile and gotten her more work than would have happened otherwise. The marriage has been a net financial gain. She hasn’t had kids, she hasn’t lost work, there is no basis for ANY spousal support.

    Look, she’s definitely the DV victim but there’s not point pretending she’s not also looking to cash out.

    • anna says:

      and as a dv victim, she is entitled to damages from her abuser.
      (in german it’s fittingly called Schmerzensgeld, the literal translation would be hurt money or pain money).

      • notquite says:

        It’s called restitution. LAPD would have to complete a report and submit it to the DA’s Office for filing. If it holds legal merit for filing, then it would need to be filed by the DA’s Office (not her civil or family law attorney). She would then need to prevail in criminal court against him and be AWARDED restitution. It’s not automatic. She could also pursue civil charges for damages, but she’d pay more in legal fees than she’d get and as someone who works in the legal field…the only way this case would be filed is for publicity or to publicly try and damage someone. (I’ve worked both in a DA’s Office and in the private sector.)

    • Who ARE these people? says:

      Among other things, she has to pay very costly legal fees — he can easily out-spend her and may try to force her to run out of money.

      On the softer level, victims often need therapy for PTSD and to learn how to avoid re-entering the cycle of abuse. And that’s THEIR money that they have to spend for what someone ELSE did to them.

    • Cindy Lou says:

      The assumption is that a marriage is a partnership. Husband and wife essentially invest in each other. You share the gains and the losses.

      Thus is clearer and has certain moral validity if the two are together for a lifetime building a business, running a farm or something requires mutual hard labor by both parties. Or the labor of one that allows the other to perform the money making unencumbered by life’s necessities.

      But for better or worse the concept extends to shorter term marriages in which the parties are engaged in glamorous, inessential, highly overpaid work.

      I remember a case here in my state in which the court decided that the 60 year old wife was not entitled to any part of the small manufacturing business the couple had spent 40 years building up from nothing. She had worked 40 to 60 hours a week during that time. No salary, but she had been “taken care of”.

      The court’s judgment was that her time and labor had been a voluntary gift to her family. This an actual, non-exaggerated quote. Her asking for anything was the attempt of a scorned woman to destroy the lifetime achievement of a good, hard working man. Not sure if it was overturned but it did get some attention.

      I do see that Depp and Heard’s marriage is far from this, but this type of thing is the basis behind the reasoning of joint property. It is applied to both the high and low, the tragic and the silly equally.

  13. Veronica says:

    If this is purely about money, it seems bizarre that she would ask for so little when he’s worth far more. $50,000 for nine months is $450,000 in all. I guarantee at least a quarter of that – if not more – will go to legal fees. Her earning potential will be going down, if not completely destroyed should she be blackballed. I don’t know, it just seems…well, it makes the “goldigger” aspect a harder sell for me.

    • Samtha says:

      I posted this before, but a friend of mine fought a defamation lawsuit for less than a year and spent almost 200k in lawyers’ fees. With the kind of lawyers Amber will need to fight this, you can bet her fees will be astronomical.

    • Sammy B says:

      I think she is entitled to half his earnings for that time period as well

    • SloaneY says:

      She’s also asking for attorney fees, a house, paid utilities and a car.

      • Samtha says:

        Actually, if you read the actual court docs, she has asked for the right to live there and drive that car for the time being, as that is her primary residence and her current vehicle. It doesn’t seem like so much to ask that she have a place to live while they work out the terms of their divorce.

      • Veronica says:

        Those aren’t outrageous demands in an initial filing, honestly. Negotiations usually start high expecting to be argued down to a point of reconciliation. I was just surprised that she went with that number considering there was no prenup to begin with.

    • lucy2 says:

      I think I would ask for him to pay all legal and court fees, split any true community property, and then that’s it. I don’t think I’d want to be reliant on him for a monthly payment. I’d want to walk away as cleanly as possible.

    • noway says:

      Spousal support is not distribution of assets. They will distribute the marital assets according to state law or prenup which they supposedly don’t have. Her lawyer is asking for spousal support in addition to the distribution of assets which as he had considerable assets prior to his marriage this part is messy to begin with. In all honesty from a legal standpoint the domestic violence allegations will have little to with it, other than to maybe make him settle a bit earlier. Legally though, especially if she doesn’t pursue criminally it will not have any financial impact on the settlement. Now if she pursues criminally, and at this point she would have to call the LAPD and report it as a criminal assault and be willing to press charges then it could have some impact.

  14. Aarika says:

    I know this won’t be well received but I’m going to say it anyways. I don’t understand why folks don’t understand that Amber can be BOTH a golddigger and a victim of domestic violence at the same time. I don’t believe that she got into this marriage for love, I think she saw a come up(fame and fortune) and went for it. But none of that means that she was not abused or that she deserve it. We are so conditioned as a society to buy into the “all saint” or “all evil” narrative. Victims don’t have to be perfect for us to care about them.
    It’s funny though to see the same people who were going IN on her when this first came out saying she got in the relationship for the wrong reasons are now super offended when she is referred to as a golddigger. I think she is the victim of a nasty addicted abuser AND an opportunist who married for a come up.

    • tracking says:

      I agree and have essentially said the same on other threads.

    • mila says:

      and he just wanted a young hot piece of arse.
      she can be a prostitute, yet you have no right to hit her. it is that simple.

    • Luca76 says:

      Yeah I tend to agree with you. I think as someone said on another post it plays into the virgin/whore complex people have. I honestly think it’s the flip side of victim blaming in that whitewashing a woman’s past in order to make her ‘blameless’ is so patronizing and frankly I find it sexist too. Subconsciously I think people are buying into the idea that only ‘good’ women deserve to be protected . No matter what a woman does whether she cheats, is nasty, is a gold digger, lies. No one ever has a right to lay hands on her. Being hit doesn’t necessarily make you a better person, it doesn’t suddenly erase your faults.

      • Aarika says:

        +1@Luca76 You said it all. I see it happening on this very site. Now that Amber was beaten by that man all the bad things that have been said about her over the years have been erased. Like you said, it’s like in order to support her they have to make her perfect. And I see the same thing happening on the Johnny defenders side, that man has been admittedly unstable for YEARS, but now that they think he is a victim of a scam, he is the most gentle soul that ever lived. Give me a break.

    • Flowerchild says:

      @ Aarika and Luca76

      Your both correct most people think you have to be one or the other and can’t be both.

      My opinion of Amber has not changed since the DV came to light. I still think she got with him to boost her Career and I also believe her claims of DV, I think Johnny got with her to feel young again. He said as much in his slanderous reports against Vanessa when they split she was dragged him down and he loved Ambers free spirit that why he and Amber were such a great match.

    • Erinn says:

      It’s never just black and white. That being said – I’m 100% behind her.

      I actually was taking her side before the abuse stuff came out – there was too much ‘poor Johnny’ for my taste, and I felt like something was up. That coupled with the ‘Oh she kept him from his mother, his mother HATED her blah blah blah’ it didn’t sit well with me.

      At the same time though – I don’t think she wasn’t at least sort of in love with him. I mean, I’m a few years younger than Amber – and I had a huuuuge crush off and on on JD. There was something about him – he seemed so charismatic. That crush started to really wane once I saw him shirtless in PoTC – the man wasn’t looking great even back then. I just don’t believe that it was some kind of evil gold digger, twirly mustache plot thing. I think she was probably star struck – understandably before all of this – and he was probably incredibly charming to her at the start.

      And these old farts get their fair trade off when they marry these young girls. He’s getting a pretty young thing on his arm, and if she makes it out of the marriage with some cash – well, whatever.

      Either way – I’m so glad that she’s talking about this, and that she seems to have such an amazing legal team standing with her.

    • Minxx says:

      Thank you for saying this. Exactly my thoughts.

    • anonymous says:

      Agreed! All these commenters who are suddenly pro-Amber, only a few days ago were trashing her for being a gold-digging famewhore. Then the tune changed when she changed her story. And new facts keep coming out in this case. I’m holding out judgment, the truth is out there somewhere. Really only Depp and Heard know what went down, and now both are spinning it to make themselves look good. While I have compassion for DV victims, I do not think Amber is the naive and innocent victim that she is playing here. Come on people, just read back over past Celebitchy posts on her, she is still the same person y’all gossiped about. She herself made comments on her bad temper, and my guess is that this will come back to bite her in the butt.

      • Aarika says:

        @anonymous… Yes the way some of the commenters and writers of this site are speaking about Amber now you would think they’re talking about a completely difference person. Odd.

      • Samtha says:

        Eh, people make judgments based on the latest information available to them. If information gets revealed that sheds new light on a person or situation, people reevaluate their previous beliefs. That’s what has happened here, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

        Do I think Amber is an angel? No. But the bottom line is THAT DOESN’T MATTER. She could be the worst person in the world and Depp still wouldn’t have the right to abuse her.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        Yes, because thinking that she sounds out of her league when talking about “art”, or that she isn’t a talented actress is TOTALLY the same thing as a person who lies about dv. (sarcasm)

        I don’t want to hang out with this chick and get her thoughts on movies. But it boggles my mind how some people will take that position and then take the giant leap to the idea that she would fake dv and hatch a conspiracy to get a whopping $450k from her spouse with a net worth of around $400M.

    • siri says:

      Actually, I’ve seen many comments over the last week stating the same.

    • SilkyMalice says:

      Except just getting married for the money doesn’t fit the facts as we know them either. She put him off for a long time before finally agreeing to marry him.

      At any rate, yes, you are right. She doesn’t have to be a perfect person in order to garner sympathy as a victim of domestic violence. Team Amber all the way.

      And by the looks of a lot of the comments here, it seems that JD’s people have figured out they need to fight for his rep here on CB as well. *rolls eyes*

      • Lady Amalthea says:

        @SilkyMalice – Thank you for pointing this out: “Except just getting married for the money doesn’t fit the facts as we know them either. She put him off for a long time before finally agreeing to marry him.”

        I didn’t really follow the gossip when Amber and Johnny got together. I’ve never thought of her as an opportunistic gold-digger – or as a lovestruck innocent – or as anything. I just…never thought of her at all. Maybe that helps me somewhat, because I came to this story without a real preconceived notion of her or of their marriage.

        What I have seen from the stories, legal documents, past interviews, etc., is that there are clear patterns and red flags that strongly indicate an abusive relationship with an unstable, angry, controlling partner. It’s so textbook that it’s honestly not even a question for me whether or not Johnny actually did it — I would bet everything I own on him having abused her.

        Her rebuffing his marriage attempts for so long is an important point, not just because of the gold-digging theory, but also because it’s one more thing that fits perfectly into the abusive relationship narrative. Him lovebombing…her backing off…him cooling down for a bit before lovebombing again…wash, rinse, repeat.

        I understand why it doesn’t seem so textbook to a lot of people. It’s like how I can’t follow a story that involves economics – because I completely don’t “get” economics and you can’t make me. My “Ponzi scheme” is someone else’s “abusive behaviors.”

        No one is perfect. That includes victims of abuse. Would people want such stringent standards of perfection applied if *they* were alleged victims?

    • lucy2 says:

      I agree completely. I think it’s quite possible (likely even) that she married him with the intention of increasing her fame and fortune, but it turned into a nightmare and now she needs to get out. And that I support her in.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      I think some people clinging to the idea that she is a “gold digger” just because they want to cover themselves for being so harsh on her when the divorce news it the fan. It is a way to save face.

      A gold digger is someone who marries only for money. I just don’t see any evidence that she lacked genuine feelings for him.

      If people don’t see her as a gold digger, that isn’t the same as thinking that she is an angel. I just think that there needs to be some kind of evidence to accuse her of being completely emotionless, calculating, and conniving.

      • Luca76 says:

        Eh I’ve never though she was a ‘true’ gold digger after money. What I do think is she was a social climber/fame whore, opportunist. She has the kind of talent/charisma that makes Jessica Biel look like Greta Garbo and she parlayed being Mrs Johnny Depp into high profile roles each of which have been universally panned by critics. I don’t think she realized that he was also an abusive douchebag until it was too late or thought she could deal with it. I also think it’s very likely she did cheat on him with her ex who was rumored to be staying on property well before talk of divorce. Not one of those things absolves Johnny Depp of abuse nor does it ignore the fact that he had his own egotistical and toxic reasons for entering the relationship and he deserves to be taken down in the most public and permanent way possible.

      • Miss S says:

        Is it that impossible and strange that a young girl who grew up seeing Johnny Depp at his best, who has the chance to work with him when he still looks pretty good to fall completely in love? Are people saying that having the attention of one of the biggest actors in the world, someone who pursues you in the beginning and who goes after you even after a break up (it seemed her choice), writing poetry and sending flowers for weeks doesn’t make a girl feel weak in the knees? It’s not like he is not charming! Maybe we can’t see it now, but it’s f*cking Johnny Depp who made women dream for many, many years.

        Why it has to be just about money, just money and influence, and career advancement? Why can’t people see how alluring and seductive it can be to share the bed with someone who has power and status without jumping at the gold digger line? For me it just seems lazy because life is much more nuanced than that and people are more complex than that either.

        I don’t know the truth about the accusations, but the simplification of attraction, almost seeing JD like he is some kind of Murdock (eww!) like there couldn’t be any reason for her to fall for him really annoys me.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        Miss S, I share your line of thinking. When he was making Rum Diary, I still thought that he was a hot, talented man. I don’t understand why some people think that a woman would only be with him for money or opportunity. He was quite the catch before he drown himself in scarves and clichés.

    • Magnoliarose says:

      Exactly. She can still have traits about her that excludes her from being the type of woman you would want as a friend and be a victim at the same time..

    • pru says:

      Damn, am I over the term “gold digger”!
      JD has done what so many men do: use their fame, success and money to get a young, pretty woman with much less success and money. I could easily name 10 other actors or powerful men who have done the same. It’s considered a measure of their success and they are revered for it. They’ve earned their reward, a “trophy wife” (how disgusting is that!). But the woman gets all the negativity. They are equally getting something positive out of the relationship. But, her character is put into question, like she is somehow immoral, when she is just buying what he has to sell: financial stability and maybe a leg up in her career.
      Yet another example of sexism at it’s finest. I’m deleting the word from my vocabulary until an equally negative word is coined for the man in these situations.

  15. BritAfrica says:

    Too right mate! If you are going to hit us, remember to get that wallet out when we come for you!

  16. Insomniac says:

    Never mind – looks like the victim-blaming crap got zapped.

  17. Liz says:

    Clearly you are also 100% unaware of what male victims of abuse go through. Go read up on that since so many are all about victims and being informed.

    Many of their cases go exactly the same, esp in divorce, they become the accused and no one, NO ONE believes them because they’re big, strong men who could clearly never be a victim.

    The one sided views of this are obscene. I have personally known men who went through this!

    And how are all of his witnesses lying and her’s is telling the truth??

    Only men lie? Please. You all are so lucky to have never known women who lie, malnipulate and do crazy stuff to hurt others!

    Her evidence does not support her statement. Their statements do not support her statement. The LAPD did not support her statement. The amount of distruction described alone would’ve been visible!!

    • mari says:

      @Liz
      You said what I’ve been thinking the whole time.

    • OTHER RENEE says:

      You are correct about male victims of spousal abuse. My kind, gentle husband was a victim and his ex wife got arrested. She would kick him on his legs til they turned black and blue. She knew the bruises would be covered by his pants. He stayed for as long as he did because she threatened to take the child. There are many more horrific details I’m leaving out. He ended up with custody in the end.

    • Chem says:

      Also, this

      I can believe he hit her on Saturday night, anything could have happen, if his friend is right he could have been very hurt and mad and fight with amber and even maybe she hit him too but I don’t believe he abused her throughout their entire relationship.
      Also most of her story is very contradictory, if she ¨fears for her life¨why do all this? why ask and focus on spousal support? If this happened to me I would be focus on getting him in jail so he can’t attack me again and I could live in peace, not in his money.
      It’s not hard to believe that she cheated on him but also him on her, it’s hollywood, why not? It’s not hard to believe that they were BOTH drunks and on drugs or that she was fine with him like that, I mean, everyone says he was clean with Vanessa, that she ¨kept him¨ sober, so why not with amber

      Why believe her friends and not his?

      • Flowerchild says:

        That’s actually not what people are saying. Many have said Johnny was still drinking/doing drugs in the beginning of his relationship with Vanessa and have stated that Johnny admitted to still drinking during his relationship with Vanessa and could talk him down. Also even if she was a “party girl” Johnny knew that From the beginning and still decided to date and marry her knowing his “sobriety” was at risk.

        It’s not Amber, Vanessa or anyone else’s job to keep Johnny sober. Now when he was with Vanessa I can see him, keeping to a minimum because of the kids, but once they split the kids warrant around all the time, so he was free to go off the deep end which it seems like he did.

        As for why believe he’s over hers it boils down to this. Let’s say your boyfriend beat the crap out of you and your friends, witnesses it either in person or over then phone. Now compare that to your boyfriends, friends who never were there when he would beat you, who would you believe.

        Here another example: 3 man witnesses a man holding up a store and saw the gunman. Now the gunman’s family and friends are saying that he such a kind and caring church man so he would never rob a store. Who would you believe the family and friends that were not there or the 3 eye witnesses.

    • Lara says:

      I am very aware of the fact that men are the victims of abuse. One of my co-workers was falsely accused of beating up his soon to be ex. She tried to have him arrest – police came to work to take him in. Problem is he had been away on a business trip for 3 days. She was charged with filing a false report. But what if he hadn’t been out of state? He would have been jailed and probably charged with battery. Sorry I don’t believe a word Amber says.

    • Net says:

      Here here! This story has more holes than swiss cheese.

      The press is bought, the cops are bought, the guards are bought, the exes are bought, the friends that spoke out are bought. Thats a lot of conspiracy theory there…

      • Net says:

        Id like to add, that I have no problem what so ever standing up for DV. But this story reeks- I am sorry.

        The ONLY memory I have of my father, is of him beating my Mom until her face was bloody. She was only 18 at the time and he had money. She did NOT stick around to try and take any. She took me and ran like the wind to another state and never looked back. He went on to beat each and every one of his 3 wives after.

      • Flowerchild says:

        @Net

        I have two names for you Ray Rice and Joe Paterno.

        The video of Ray Rice knocking his wife unconscious and dragging her like a sack of potatoes was sent to the local police, the NFL, the coach. All of them saw the video and did nothing, but cover it up until it went public and the NFL was forced to do something. If you also remember right, he was never arrested for what he did.

        Joe Paterno molested his players for years. The Dean of Penn State, the other administrators, assistant coach, some of the other players, the local police were all informed of this and did nothing. They knew what he was doing and were either paid off, fired for speaking out against him or did nothing because he was a good coach who got them wins.

        Do you still find it hard to believe that people get paid off all the time. Personally, I don’t think his wives were paid off, I believe they never experience DV from Johnny, that still doesn’t mean he was abusive to Amber.

      • Net says:

        @Flowerchild

        Those issues were hand.led poorly but have 0 bearing on this. Remember what happened in Australia? She had to plead guilty to keep from going to prison for LYING about those dogs to customs officials. She filed no fault but only started accusing him when the judge denied spousal support. She has created every second of drama to date using a story guaranteed to start conversation. Her credibility is in question based on HER past and present actions and no one else’s.

      • Samtha says:

        @Net, what you’ve stated is incorrect.

        The judge denied spousal support TEMPORARILY until a further hearing. The judge denied this in the actual restraining order request. So no, she didn’t accuse him AFTER the denial.

        None of the divorce terms have been granted or denied for either party yet. And the next hearing about the restraining order is June 16 or 17, I believe.

        Please look at the actual court documents and stop spreading misinformation.

      • Flowerchild says:

        @Net

        Those two issues have a bearing on this since you claim that people couldn’t be lying for Johnny and getting paid off. I showed you just two occasions where it has happened. Now, as for the issue with the dogs that was the fault of both Johnny and Amber, but love how you put the blame on her.

        If you want to talk about credibility. Then yes Johnny credibility is being questioned as well, it’s Johnny not Amber, who has the history of Drug use and a drunken temper where he has trashed hotel rooms and had the cops call on him more than once in the past and look he still seem to have that drunken temper and still likes throwing thing remember his bodyguard agree to that fact.

    • Amy says:

      You are correct. Many men are victims of domestic violence and are afraid to come forward and are not believed when they do.

      And if I saw a male friend or relative walking around with bruises on his face and a spouse who has been arrested on multiple occasions for assault and for flinging objects across rooms in violent fits of rage I would assume he was being abused.

    • Eveil says:

      You mean exactly the same shit as female DV victims? At least male victims don’t get the “you’re clearly lying because you’re a golddigger / crazy / unstable” shit that women get hit with. Instead, once it becomes known, people generally are sympathetic towards them. I mean, look at how you’ve utterly derailed this conversation about a WOMAN being abused into a rant and comparison about how male victims have it worse and the follow up comments.

      Yes, let’s compare apples and oranges when we were only talking about apples.

    • SilkyMalice says:

      This has nothing to do with the scenario at hand, unless you really do want to make a case that JD is the one who was domestically abused? If so, I look forward to the photos of his bruises.

    • smcollins says:

      @Liz Thank you for that. My father was the victim of dv by his 2nd wife (emotional & physical). She did everything from hitting him, to pouring a pot of hot coffee down his back, to trying to choke him (which left bruises around his neck and was the only time he fought back). He became so distraught he was suicidal. She tried to make my dad out to be the abusive one, but we knew the truth. I’m definitely reserving judgement on this whole mess until BOTH sides have been heard and investigated.

    • Veronica says:

      I think most of us are aware that men can be victims of domestic violence. There are four generations of DV in my family – and my brother is included in that statistic at the hands of my stepmother. You shouldn’t assume those of us who aren’t leaning in Depp’s favor come from a place of ignorance.

      I suspect more of the difficulty people have seeing Heard as the abuser in this case is that the power structure in general, rather than the gendertype, strongly favors Johnny Depp over Amber Heard. He’s the one with the money and resources. He’s the high profile celebrity with access to his choice of high end lawyers, PR teams, and media reach. He’s also the one with a history of drug and alcohol abuse, along with recorded incidents of violent behavior when severely inebriated. If we had any indication of the same with Amber Heard, more people might be given pause in examining the situation. If we’re going to say that looks can be deceiving where abuse it concerned, we also have to point out the obvious here – the security guards in question are not any more objective than Heard’s witnesses while they are sitting on Depp’s pay grade.

      • Lady Amalthea says:

        @Veronica – “I suspect more of the difficulty people have seeing Heard as the abuser in this case is that the power structure in general, rather than the gendertype, strongly favors Johnny Depp over Amber Heard.”

        Perfectly said.

  18. tschic says:

    I don`t know anything about the divorce law system of the US. What I else do not understand is the fact why she should get more money when he hit her.
    In my opinion she could sue him because of personal injury and injury award.
    But the divorce is something else and why should she get money if she is a working, high earning model with a short marriage with him? I don`t understand the justice in this.

    I think it`s a case where the police should investigate.

  19. Paisley says:

    Believe me, I am not making this point to defend Johnny, but as of today, not sure what to believe. After letting it sink in, how could cops not describe bruising/redness on her face in their report they wrote immediately after it happened? To say they conspired right then and there doesn’t sound right. Also, TMZ just had a post where Johhny’s bodyguards heard Amber to say stop hitting her and Johhny’s wasn’t even close to her. (I know, I know, they could be lying). But, this does give me pause.

  20. Carnivalbaby says:

    Hero? Really?

    She clearly underestimated the quality of the devil with which she was dealing and for that I hope she wins her case in public opinion, in criminal court and divorce court.

    But there are no heroes here. Victims certainly, but no heroes – not at this moment. If he didn’t attack her publicly she was going to take the money and we would have never known about this, and that’s why some of us are uncomfortable with the events. She would have let someone else go through this with him just as Vanessa and the others did to her.

  21. Eveil says:

    I’m in full agreement with CB. What does it matter if she is or isn’t a golddigger? Why should it matter that they were probably toxic towards one another? At the end of the day, he raised his hand towards her and engaged in physical abuse. No one deserves that shit and if you think that someone does, it certainly says a lot about your character.

    Quit being such assholes – right now, she’s at the lowest point in her life and she doesn’t need a bunch of sanctimonious arses and judgmental pricks WHO ARE NOT IN HER SHOES RIGHT NOW to talk shit about her.

    Also, for all of the people who cannot let go of the spousal support. 450,000 is chump change for a man with Johnny’s fortune. It doesn’t matter if she’s able to work – can she work now or in the immediate future? Hell no. Not with the media circus and Johnny’s connections going out of their way to slander and blackball her in the industry. In my opinion, for each month that she cannot work due to hardship from him, she should earn spousal support.

    • Who ARE these people? says:

      Thanks.

      And I’d like to add that I don’t understand why people are so freely tossing the word “toxic” into this situation. First, it’s cliched and overused pop psychology. Second, where is the evidence that she was somehow “toxic” for him. He just kept doing all the things he did before: dressing badly, making some bad movies for big paychecks, being pretentious, drinking and doing drugs. Contrasting his life with Heard to his life with Paradis who somehow was superior for “holding him in check” is irrelevant, and it’s possible he could have spiraled down further without Heard’s intervention. Or not. We may never know. In any case, it’s not his women’s job to keep him clean and nice. It’s his job, and he’s failed.

      • Lady Amalthea says:

        I completely agree that no one is responsible for another functioning adult’s mental, physical, and emotional well-being.

        “Toxic relationships” are toxic *for* both partners, not *because* of them. Amber wasn’t toxic for Johnny, or him for her. Together, they obviously had a toxic relationship. Or dysfunctional, unhealthy, volatile…whatever word you want to use.

        I don’t see Vanessa and Johnny’s relationship as her keeping him in check. Vanessa was, for whatever reason, a grounding influence on Johnny. To me, that just means that her personality meshed with Johnny’s personality in a way that resulted in a calmer relationship. Johnny is an adult who will do what he wants to do. For whatever reasons, he felt more grounded in the time he was with Vanessa, and his actions reflected that.

        Amber, however, obviously triggered Johnny’s demons. This has nothing to do with her character or her actions — it has everything to do with Johnny’s personality and his reactions.

        A relationship like that could only be toxic, because it’s so harmful to *both* partners. One person is in emotional hell constantly struggling with his innermost darkness and trauma, and the other person is in emotional hell dealing with controlling, abusive behavior from her partner. There are no winners here.

    • Flowerchild says:

      As someone stated above the so many people have a virgin/whore complex, your ether one or the other you can’t be both. If your a victim you have to be a saint and if your a victim and a person AKA ( is flawed just like everyone else ) then your a liar. That’s why the general public has noproblem I believing children of CM or CA because they are seen as pure.

    • a reader says:

      ^^^^ SO MUCH THIS.

      i don’t care one bit about how toxic their relationship was. nobody should hit their spouse, ever. FULL STOP.

  22. ZombieRick says:

    Does anyone remember Denise Richards? She got crucified in the press when she first stated she was abused by the scum Charlie Sheen. She was accused of being a gold digger. Seems very similar.

  23. Holly says:

    Listen … I think they had a dysfunctional relationship and I think we need to watch this unfold carefully and I’m glad she is protecting herself. But I don’t know how we can brand him a woman beater prior to trial. I just don’t.

    • Who ARE these people? says:

      I’m troubled, again, about everyone saying it was toxic, dysfunctional etc.

      Any relationship with someone who uses/abuses alcohol and drugs is going to be dysfunctional. But that doesn’t give equal culpability to the abuser’s partner.

      • Noname says:

        Someone who uses drugs is dysfunctional. Anyone who has a relationship with an addict is in a toxic and dysfunctional relationship, period. Addicts are chaotic, dysfunctional people.. they often create messes where ever they go. Most wind up in prison because they start committing crimes to continue using drugs. Some addicts become abusive while using, some never do.

        If we’re going to assume Johnny Depp is abusing drugs, we can also assume the relationship was dysfunctional and toxic. By all accounts drugs and Johnny Depp are a terrible combination, like with most people. I doubt anyone that is commenting about their relationship being toxic is assuming that it was okay for domestic violence to occur. At the end of the day, Johnny Depp and he alone, is responsible for his actions. Regardless of how high he was. What’s more troubling to me than him trashing things is how Amber is being portrayed by his team. Aside from the pictures and his witnesses vs her witnesses conflicting statements, his pr spin on this troubles me a great deal. Even if he’s telling the truth that he didn’t hit her, he’s still abusive. The jealousy issues, accusing her of cheating, the fights they had, not liking her friends, disappearing from her for weeks, if not months, at a time, the anger issues.. all of this is an abusive man’s playbook. My ex bf never hit me… but he did all of the things i just mentioned. If fact, he cheated on me.

        What’s shocking to me is how he cannot see that this makes him look terrible. He needs to stop attacking Amber in the press… even if she’s lying, he needs to stop. I’m very surprised his lawyer isn’t reeling this crap in.

      • Who ARE these people? says:

        Noname well said. I agree with all of it, and think all his surrogates make him look worse than he might realize. Who knows if he’s listening to his lawyer. Some people think they are above the law.

        I don’t think people commenting on a ‘toxic’ relationship imply the abuse was acceptable, but it can subtly imply that she somehow had something to do with bringing out his “demons” or as if whatever she did was as bad as whatever he did.

        It doesn’t sound as if any woman was good for him and his emotional problems, addiction and all-around bad attitude have been present across his relationships and to varying degrees.

      • Lady Amalthea says:

        @Who ARE these people? – “it can subtly imply that she somehow had something to do with bringing out his ‘demons’”

        I see it as something about her and about the relationship triggered his demons. Nothing to do with culpability on her part. I’ve been the person who triggered someone’s demons, when other people didn’t. I sure as hell didn’t do it on purpose. Most of it was not only unintentional but also completely invisible to me.

        I agree completely that Johnny wouldn’t be (and hasn’t been) a good partner in *any* relationship.

        If he hadn’t found Amber, he would have found *someone* who triggered him in the same way, with the same result. Because they’re his demons, his actions, and his responsibility — and we’ve seen plenty of evidence of how poorly he handles those.

    • Flowerchild says:

      Can I ask what you think of Bill Cosby, or Charlie Sheen.

  24. Coeurdeleon says:

    I’m a victim of domestic violence. I’ve never spoken up because my abuser launched a smear campaign on me way before I ever found the courage and means to get out.

    He is also a “lovable” guy who calls himself a feminist and makes endearing remarks that women should run the world. It’s all a pose, a seduction.

    Since leaving he has tried to isolate and destroy me. It’s been living hell but I’m still here. I left with nothing, asked for nothing and started building my life.

    Even members of my own family support his narrative. He has money and connections. I am merely an inconvenient woman they’d rather erase for financial gain.

    He did unspeakable, inhuman things to me. Things so cruel that when I mention them they too terrible to believe. But I lived it. Ugly as it is, it happened.

    In the court of public opinion, he’s “such a nice guy” and I’m characterized as another “bitter” woman – not a human being with any rights.

    I know if I tell the truth about him, I will be crucified.

    The worst are the females who ferociously defend my abuser, several of them saw what he did to me on many occasions.

    I’ve lived through these women lying to cover up for him in exchange for money and favors. One of them is my own sister.

    DV is perpetuated by a larger system. For me rape culture is not a concept, it’s a reality.

  25. Danish says:

    Why hasnt amber filed a police report? I feel like she is after getting a huge pay day than actually putting the person whi she claims abused her for years behind bars. U cant say she is trying to protect him like most cases with abused victims cuz she is clearly at the stage where she doesnt care about protecting him so she needs to file a police report cuz that should be more IMPORTANT than getting some money

  26. stinky says:

    I thought in CA, our domestic violence protocols are that the fuzz have to involve themselves whether the woman wants to file charges or not.
    They saw her red, stinging face.
    That is plain as day and im sure it was plenty red at the time and she had surely been crying etc. They saw the completely thrashed domicile – and Johnny fled – obviously to avoid the fallout.
    Im really not understanding how the cops blew this off w/ a business card, just because she refused to press charges in that particular moment.

    • mary simon says:

      The cops saw nothing because it’s Johnny Depp. The LAPD probably have an unwritten procedure regarding celebrities, and they are just as concerned with their own public image as celebrities are. In addition to corrupt, connected officials – yes, that happens! they don’t want to be in the spotlight when it comes to how they are handling a domestic violence case involving an extremely wealthy, connected celebrity – what more glaring example then OJ and Nicole? I think the cops went back to the station, had a conversation with some of these connected superiors, and it was decided they would be vague and adopt a wait and see attitude until there are further developments and they get further instructions from the controllers that be.

    • claire says:

      They’re apparently saying they saw no red face and no disarray in apartment. I don’t know. This situation is a mess.

    • Don't kill me I'm French says:

      Excepted Amber never said that her husband was Depp to the cop .The cop saw nothing ,did his job and gave her his card if she wanted to charge

    • Danish says:

      Bingo!!!!! I refuse to believe police officers responding to a domestic dispute (remember, prior to entering that house they had no idea it was johnny depps house) saw distruction & violence & only left a business card. Look at rihannas case, she did not file a police report on chris brown but when officers arrived it was clear as day she was a victim of domestic abuse so they put out a warrant for chris browns arrest. Why is this case different? The LAPD handled rihanna’s case & they also handled this one & the laws are STILL the same. Amber is white & light skin, if a hard object like a cell phone was thrown to her face, IT WOULD DEFINITELY CAUSE A RED BRUISE or at least a red mark IMMEDIATELY. I’m dark & even my skin would immediately react if a phone was thrown at me. I’m no fan of depp, never have i cared for him or watched any of his movies, actually when i first saw the headline about him being an abuser, i belived amber because he does give me that coke head, alcoholic vibe but after i started to follow up on the reporting ambers story just did not add up. why would the LAPD lie right away, johnny depp was not even in the house so they probably didnt even know who her husband was. Another red flag is the gap between filing for divorce, citing IRRECONCILABLE DIFFERENCES & filing for protection. I have never filed for divorce so i dont know how the divorce papers look like but shouldnt there be an option for abuse? And if there is why didnt she cite that? So if depp had agreed to her 50k she would have been totally fine with protecting her abuser & if depp did hit her why refuse to pay her whatever she wanted to get her to shut up? Why fight her cuz lets face it 50k is like 50 dollars to him so it wouldnt cause any hurt to his pocket. Non of it adds up, it simply doesnt. I want to believe amber but logically her story has way too many loopholes

      • Tiffany :) says:

        “f a hard object like a cell phone was thrown to her face, IT WOULD DEFINITELY CAUSE A RED BRUISE or at least a red mark IMMEDIATELY”

        What if her face was red from crying? The reds would blend together.

      • Veronica says:

        Bruises can take up to 24 hours to form, and the redness from crying or emotion can cover up early injuries. Police are also limited in their ability to transgress on somebody’s personal property if the victim refuses to name their attacker or file a complaint. Rihanna’s abuse was just so horrifically brutal that there was no doubt an attack occurred. You are free to have your concerns about the validity of her statements, but please understand that the police having to turn in “non-incident” reports to DV call is not as uncommon as you think. Victims are taught by their abusers to take on the responsibility of their actions. Guilt, shame, and fear of repercussions can make them back out at the last minute. It’s a vicious, ugly cycle that I had the misfortune of witnessing first hand with my sister.

      • MSgirl says:

        I agree. Not all cops are bad. Folks need to stop assuming the LAPD didn’t do their job bc of the celebrity involved. Stop being so quick to take a side. Let’s let the investigation play out.

  27. Josefina says:

    All I learned from this situation is Johnny has a lot of friends in the press.

    I wonder what they have covered for him.

  28. shaboo says:

    These two bickering in the public arena is getting tiresome, and is probably just a continuation of how they were when they were together.

    It just seems like these two had a volatile relationship and heated arguments. Johnny throwing a phone is totally unacceptable sure, but it’s hardly punching someone in the face a la Chris Brown, and I don’t necessarily think that makes him an abuser.

    I’m sorry that I not going with the consensus here and being 100% Amber, but I just don’t think things are totally black and white and I find the language used ‘she’s a hero’, ‘lived in fear’ to be purposefully evocative, over the top and affront to those that have suffered serious abuse.

    They just need to get this divorce over and done with so they can both move on from this toxic relationship. Johnny clearly needs to rehab,

    • SilkyMalice says:

      “Johnny throwing a phone is totally unacceptable sure, but it’s hardly punching someone in the face a la Chris Brown, and I don’t necessarily think that makes him an abuser.”

      It is the same, actually. Whether the tool is your fist or something else you use, it is still striking another person and it is abuse and makes him abusive.

    • Capepopsie says:

      My understanding is that “the hero” part is
      refering to her having the courage to go public about this.

      Not that she lived with an abuser!

      Considering what’s going on in the
      Media right now, I really do agree.

      She is a hero!

      • Lady D says:

        I’m beginning to think that whoever said Depp’s PR trolls are here, is right.

      • Miss S says:

        Considering that after being bashed on the media after the divorce request she decided to put her neck on the line exposing on of the most famous actors in the world… I’m not sure if she is a hero, but I’m not sure if I would have the guts to do it, to be honest. She is going to be dragged and scrutinized by his PR machine and if she can’t prove her accusations his team can then destroy her completely.

    • Cindy Lou says:

      Riiiight Shaboo, a punch is (probably, depending) abuse. How about a real light punch? On the arm? How about a slap? A shove?

      A 3 lb. Champagne bottle that he swings at you but never actually connects? I see you are real clear that that throwing a 6×4 object into your wife’s face is not so bad. How about a child’s face? How about if your boss did it to you in a meeting? I hope you wouldn’t be a crybaby about that.

      How about a beating with a rod less than an inch thick? That used to be law. Man on woman if course.

      Most men (and parents) define abuse as something they would not do. If it is what they have done, then how can it be abuse? Because they truly believe they are not abusers.

  29. Gatita says:

    Regarding the LAPD’s decision not to pursue an investigation, you have to know that the LAPD has a terrible record when dealing with domestic abuse. I live in Los Angeles and I’ve had to call the police several times over the years because of neighbors fights getting physical and I can tell you that the responses generally terrible. Half the time the cops never show up. If they do show up they talk to the couple and then leave and then the violence happens again. I’m not surprised at all that they came to the apartment, talked to Amber for a few minutes and left without doing anything. This is very typical behavior for the LAPD.

    • Samtha says:

      It’s sadly typical of a lot of places. My neighbor’s husband had her by the hair and was punching her on the front lawn. We called the police and they showed up 45 minutes later, spoke to both of them and then left without arresting anyone.

    • Lynnie says:

      What’s the point of the police if they don’t do their jobs??? Ugh it gets me so frustrated, there needs to be a massive reform in the system ASAP.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      One of my friends called on neighbors in their apartment building. The 911 operator told her that it was a personal matter between the person doing the beating and the woman getting beat. They didn’t send out an officer.

    • Lady Amalthea says:

      Yeah, I have very little faith in law enforcement when it comes to these things.

      I’ve been in rooms with police officers accusing trembling, scared women of “asking for it” only hours after the woman’s rape. I’ve seen cops arrest a prostitute who was beaten and raped, with one of them laughing at me and saying, “What, do you honestly think a hooker can be raped?” I’ve had the chief violent crimes investigator of a major city refuse to come down to the rape crisis center to interview a teenage victim because “teenage girls always lie about rape.” I’ve seen male rape victims completely dismissed by cops.

      And I don’t live in L.A. with a bunch of wealthy, powerful men and the illustrious LAPD. I can’t even imagine…

  30. isabelle says:

    Thank you CB for mentioning the book!!!! It helped me recognize I had been in an abusive relation from the very beginning of one of my relationships. My counselor recommenced it to me after I ended a relationship with an emotionally/mentally abusive that would rage. He never hit me so stayed in much longer because of it. Its an excellent book and recommend it for ALL women not just those that have been in an abusive relationship. It helps women recognize the progressive nature of abuse and warning signs from the beginning. It also opens your eyes to how abusers manipulate and isolate the victim, turning others against her.

  31. Cheyenne says:

    Johnny’s team have been so transparent in how they have been trying to smear Amber that it just makes me believe her even more! They released photos of her shopping at Tiffany’s and smiling that were old for goodness sake. I think Amber did use him for a career boost, but that does not mean he didn’t physically abuse her. I think he was more possessive of her than he had ever been of his former girlfriends even because he is now an insecure, bloated, alcoholic, aging mess and was worried about losing his young, hot piece of arse or her cheating on him, so he was more abusive than he’d ever been.

    • Keaton says:

      Yeah I agree with everything you said. The more his PR tries to smear her the more sure I am he is guilty. I think they’re throwing everything out there and hoping it’ll create enough doubt to save his ass in the court of public opinion. They can’t convince people he’s innocent because he’s not. But they can make people question her character and wonder if she’s setting him up.

      I’m sorry but it’s straight up evil what he’s doing at this point. Pay her off and get the eff out. Trying to destroy another human being like this is sick, just sick.

  32. Rapunzel says:

    To the Amber doubters: Do you think she’d be going to the police without evidence? I guarantee you her lawyers have their ducks in a row if she’s pressing charges. She has a smoking gun. Just wait.
    As for money, why wouldn’t she want it? Her career is over and she knows it. Of course she wants money. She’ll need it to survive.

    • SloaneY says:

      I don’t get why everyone is saying her career is over. I realize JD probably has a lot of clout, but she has a signed Aquaman/justice league contract. If what she’s saying is true, then they would look like huge douchebags if they fired her for being a victim of domestic abuse. If it turns out she’s lying, then she brought on the career ending herself.

      • Rapunzel says:

        Sloaney– of course her career is over! Rumors are already floating that the Justice League/Aquaman stuff might fall through, that WB might axe her. Plus, JD is Disney’s golden goose…do you really think it’s a good idea to mess with them?

        Amber is screwed. If she’s truthful, she’s exposing a major star’s dirt, and costing a lot of people large amounts of money…..millions, possibly billions. If she’s a liar, then nobody will touch her cause she’s a liar. This is the worst thing that could happen to her career.

      • Luca76 says:

        Amber doesn’t have the talent of Nicole Kidman or even Katie Holmes for that matter. And Johnny Depp has more respect within the industry and is more well liked than most celebrities. This is a town filled with the same people that have shielded Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, Charlie Sheen et all for years of course they will side with him. They may not outright fire her but they very well cite scheduling conflicts or at the least limit her appearances in support of the film and cut her part severely.

      • mary simon says:

        So they let the contracts stand for PR reasons and she makes those films – THEN she never works in Hollywood again.

      • Magnoliarose says:

        Unfortunately she has no power and the relationship was lopsided from the beginning. People in Hollywood will always side with the power player or stay staunchly neutral. Clint Eastwood was rumored to be violent toward his spouses but it was hushed over quickly and Sandra Locke, his gf won a settlement(she asserted her career suffered because of their relationship)and then disappeared. Nothing ever happened to him but she has no career anymore.

      • Lady D says:

        JD just has to let it be known he won’t work for any studio that hires her. His movies bring in a billion or more, hers don’t. Trust me, her career is over.

    • dippit says:

      See, I’m in the don’t know (we can’t yet know) camp. However, I’ve been thinking the opposite in terms of how this is playing out. I think it possible JD believes/knows himself to be able to disprove her claims when the time for evidentiary submissions comes.

      Many have pointed out that, in the scheme of his wealth, she hasn’t, certainly intially, asked for much. Many have said because of this *intial* low-dollar ($450,000 + the half-share of 15 months of Community Property earnings & assets – say ballpark $20m + temporary continued residency and car + legal costs) bid for a financial take JD ought to have just paid up to keep the whole thing from escalating. Now, if he had done so when her legal team intially bid for this on the QT Sunday/Monday/Tuesday, we’d be none the wiser as to the DV allegations. However JD chose not to do so which seems a questionable response if he knew her to have a provable/based on actual events “smoking gun”. He could’ve paid up, and she was prepared to shut-up Sunday/Monday/Tuesday. Now, if he did abuse her, but could make it go away for low-dollar, it’s odd he didn’t just sign a cheque there and then. However, if he knows categorically that events are not as she and her friends describe (and that he can prove it) he might choose to say “do your worst, not a penny more than basic divorce settlement entitlement – no fault – will you get”. This is largely what he appears to have done.

      To me this suggests JD may have an ace up his sleeve to disprove her claims rather than she holding a smoking gun. She’s fired first with the TRO, secondly now with an apparent lodging of a Criminal Complaint; and in both instances because JD has refused to fold and pushed back despite his having much to lose as this escalates publicly.

      Now you could argue that JD is merely being ill-advised (unlikely given the people he has around him and his resources to hand), or that he is so Hollywood arrogant as to believe nothing will stick. That may yet be the case.

      I just think he’s being extremely resolute in his personally sticking to “this did not happen” if he knows it did. I can’t help thinking he might be keeping his powder dry for an evidentiary hearing and, if her allegations are untrue, is, in effect, giving her enough rope to hang herself.

      Now I’m back to “don’t know” camp, but he could’ve made this go away quietly, AH’s team have stated as much, that he’s chosen not to is either the greatest act of hubris ever OR he knows he has the goods to disprove her.

      • Kitten says:

        I don’t know…I suppose it’s possible but the simpler and most likely explanation can be easily explained: abusers are often arrogant, narcissistic individuals. Someone with the power, clout, and wealth that Depp has might just think that Amber is powerless against him.

      • Rapunzel says:

        Dippit– what you’re saying is possible, but not probable. What’s more likely is JD is trying to shout her down and browbeat her into submission. He’s likely angry she’s daring to accuse him, and probably feels untouchable, since he’s likely gotten away with covering tons of stuff up throughout his career.

        I’m discounting the possibility Amber is Amazing Amy. It could happen. But JD abusing her simply makes more sense. It’s simply more logical to me that the volatile man known for destruction and drug abuse escalated to hitting his wife. I’d bet on that before I’d bet on Amber being some evil genius plotting against him for his money, which wouldn’t be necessary if there’s no pre-nup.

        And if JD does have irrefutable proof Amber’s lying, he’s dumb for trashing her. It’d be smarter to just keep quiet, bust out the evidence when needed, and shut her down. Rather, he’s dragging this out with his continual denials, keeping it in the press and public’s memories.

        Also, how stupid would Amber be to lie? She’s genius enough to trap JD, but not smart enough to keep from lying and potentially causing herself major legal trouble? That doesn’t compute.

      • Lady D says:

        It’s also possible that the drug-addicted alcoholic just plain doesn’t remember half of the abuse.

      • Miss S says:

        I think that would be possible, BUT no famous actor would usually even let this get at the stage it is now even if innocent. It’s not about admitting guilt, but just avoiding scandal. I don’t see celebs going to the courts for a matter of principle (if being blackmailed for something) when they know it can hurt them.

        On the other hand this went really fast. And in a day after the divorce request all those news attacking Amber started to arise and I wonder why. It seemed more an emotional reaction from his side than a logical one. And if this is a consequence of the strain already evident in their marriage I also wonder if he actually thought she wouldn’t have anything on him because he didn’t remember or because he always got away with it (I’m not implying physical abuse, but emotional one). Someone with his power and status lives in a bubble full of yes people, they stop being aware of some risks because there’s always someone to clean up the mess.

        What if his team ended up surprised by what Amber brought to the table in terms of evidence? (I’m convinced there’s more than what we know). And now they are in full damage control. And I say this because I can’t simply understand how someone with his status would even consider to be in the position he is now.

        My theory:)

      • norah says:

        right now i am just wondering why depp wd allow all this to get that far. He cd have made an agreement with her – give her money and let her sign a non disclosure agreement and gone ahead with the divorce and that is it. Everyone was expecting them to divorce anyway so this cd have happened and i really wonder why he didnt just do it. But at the same time i think being the egoist that some guys can be maybe he wants to destroy her so totally and i can see him doing that

      • dippit says:

        @Norah – oh I think he wants to destroy her and not leave her with a name to stand up in, as they say. However, his urge to do so could just as easily come from his knowing what she’s claiming is untrue and in revenge for feeling played as it could (and I don’t rule this out) his desire to destroy her for daring to reveal a truth about him.

        Where I question the latter is the fact that AH’S team have claimed that such a ‘truth’ wouldn’t have been revealed if he’d simply paid up front. That makes it odd that he chose this full public exposure instead, which takes me back to wondering if he’s almost baiting her, despite the risks to his reputation, by giving her enough rope to hang herself spectacularly when, in evidence, his truth comes out.

        The claims by DS that JD knew (AH had threatened) she was going to ‘make up’ abuse claims and the general air of either confusion or paranoia on JD’s part this signals is also interesting. It’s even possible that JD in his paranoia/jealousy/doubts has been monitoring AH so his people have some taped conversations/video/receipts which undermine her claims unbeknownst to her. If, drug-addled or not, JD was by the latter stage convinced that AH had played him for a fool then his ordering covert surveillance of her (her friends) wouldn’t be improbable.

        @Kitten, @Rapunzel, @LadyD, @MissS – yes, it could be simply the arrogance and his ‘Yes’ people telling him nothing will stick, but the scale of this makes me question why take that risk when AH’s price for silence and a quick ‘no contest’ was so low, relatively speaking. Unless there were indications AH was going to keep coming back for more and more money, he could’ve been out low-cost, clean and clear with just a little ‘no fool like an old fool’ egg on his face. Instead he’s got this current sh*t-storm. As I said initially, hubris or he has the goods on her (revenge or “matter of principle”).

        PS – I just read that AH’s submission states the bruising photo was taken by her friend before LAPD arrived, if so, how could LAPD (as they have) state there was no indication of assault when the bruising must have been present for all to see.

  33. lucky says:

    The only people who know what happened are Heard and Depp. Hopefully the courts will get it right. Terrible situation. Depp’s career is toast. Our opinions don’t matter. It’s the courts.

    • SilkyMalice says:

      Um, no. The body guards and her neighbors witnessed his threatening her after he had hit her with the iphone (and yes, threatening counts as assault).

    • HK9 says:

      Here’s the thing, Depp’s career is not toast. There’s a long list of men in Hollywood with a history of violence/criminal activity and they still have thriving careers. Just ask Woody Allen.

    • Gatita says:

      Depp comes across more like someone who is enraged that he’s lost control over the woman he abused and he’s lashing out at her without regard to the consequences. Affleck didn’t play the nanny situation well, Cruise didn’t play the Katie escape well, why is it surprising that an alcoholic, drug using mega star with poor impulse control and an army of enablers would botch how he handled his divorce? His movie opened $20 million under expectations, you have to believe there are frantic studio execs trying to get Depp to settle this crap already and yet he’s still getting his toadies to trash talk Heard. This doesn’t come across as some cool, calculated decision.

  34. Penelope says:

    I don’t buy it for a second. He isn’t being charged and that makes me happy. Deepest regards and heartfelt sympathy to actual victims of DV. Myself included.

  35. stinky says:

    No more sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll for Johnny.
    Clearly he can’t handle it.

  36. Laura says:

    The hens around here are high..larious! None of you know anything. Try to repeat after me…. Innocent until proven guilty.

  37. Manjit says:

    I haven’t had time to read through all the comments, I just hope I’m not the only one that feels uncomfortable with the “Amber is a hero” narrative.
    Why is she a hero now, when she would have been perfectly happy to keep the whole thing quiet had his lawyer responded to the initial approaches from her side to settle quietly. She’s no hero to me if going public wasn’t her first option.

  38. Erica_V says:

    Where is Disney in all this is what I want to know. I have Googled and can’t find anything, no statement, nothing. Why are they not coming out and saying they are putting any future Johnny projects on hold until this is resolved?

    And if he is charged with domestic abuse are they just going to roll out Pirates 5 like nothing happened? Are they going to pull it? Can you even market a movie to children if your star has been accused of domestic abuse?

    • Danish says:

      You really are hilarious if you think disney will cut ties with johnny over this, unless amber can provide a video of her getting beaten black & blue by johnny then johnny will still retain his jobs, respect & credibility in hollyweird. If you look elsewhere outside of CB, more people are pro johnny than pro amber & disney is simply not being pressured by any of their core consumers to cut ties with depp so that is highly unlikely.

  39. Net says:

    Years of abuse? They were only married for 15 months. She could have walked away before they got married without the circus but HEY also without the $$$$$$

    . ALSO..as to how the relationship was before the marriage..he married her without a prenup. That’s not just dumbassery, that’s a guy over the moon. If he were the controlling monster he is being portrayed he would have protected those assets.

    • HK9 says:

      Dumbassery and control freakery are not mutually exclusive characteristics.

    • Lady Amalthea says:

      Being intensely “over the moon” about a partner is not really a healthy indication. Power-imbalanced relationships often start with intense “love-bombing” from the controlling partner, until the desired result is achieved (usually marriage or a similar commitment).

      There’s a big difference between loving someone deeply on a realistic adult level, and loving an idealized version of someone to the point of losing reason. Someone with a long history of failed engagements and marriages, worth $400 million, in a state with divorce laws like California, who fails to negotiate a prenuptial agreement before marriage…that’s not realistic or reasonable. It’s not romantic and endearing. It’s a red flag.

  40. Sunny says:

    I find this thread as disturbing and nasty to read as the threads on other sites which rip the woman apart. We none of us know anything about this. All that is known to be fact is this woman had cellphone sized bruising on her face. Did he throw the phone that did that? Highly likely.
    Was it a one off out of character thing the day after his mother died? Maybe.
    Was it an ongoing drug fueled pattern? Maybe….probably more likely but we don’t know.
    We just don’t know.
    Slandering the man as is done here is just as bad as slandering the woman.
    People coming online making emotional hyped statements about how evil either of these people are , are wrong. You are all wrong…both sides of the story.

    Domestic abuse is wrong. Using the Internet to slander people when you know nothing about anything is wrong.

    By the way…being someone who works with women who are victims of domestic abuse in the real world, who have kids and no way of earning and income, and not a cent of their own to their name and are truly trapped in a nightmare…This woman is NOT poor. She is not forced into poverty. Alluding to the fact her situation has ANY relation to these poor women is incredibly offensive.

  41. wolf says:

    It is irresponsible for ANYONE to take sides, we know an infinitesimal amount of information on these people’s private lives. It is frankly disturbing how some of you declare with such certainty that one or the other is a victim.

    • SilkyMalice says:

      Really? I feel that I can make a damn good educated guess at exactly what did and is happening in this situation, given that abusers and their victims display amazingly similar, and well researched behavioral patterns. And of course, there is the matter of Amber’s face showing the imprint of an iphone and JD’s well established record of alcohol, drugs, mayhem and other general behaving badly.

      AND the information is not infinitesimal (full court documents and witness statements to boot). I could go on, but I think you are just playing dumb.

      • Lady Amalthea says:

        @SilkyMalice – Perfectly said. “I feel that I can make a damn good educated guess at exactly what did and is happening in this situation, given that abusers and their victims display amazingly similar, and well researched behavioral patterns.”

        Also, I’m not sure how it’s irresponsible for some Internet commenters to form an opinion about much of anything. To whom am I responsible, exactly? Does anyone honestly care about what I think? Hell, *I* don’t always care what I think – I certainly don’t expect others to.

  42. Rebecca says:

    You explain things so well. I was hoping that you could explain to people that it is common for police not to follow through on domestic abuse cases, especially when it comes to the rich or famous. It happens even though there are laws stating they need to follow through and investigate even if the victim doesn’t press charges.

  43. Irene says:

    I do not believe Amber. Sorry. Her sources were slinging mud at Johnny straight after the divorce was filed. They were both at it. Now her sources are saying that the police have covered for Johnny and missed vital pieces of evidence? For real?

    Her sources also claim that the police saw Amber at a different unit. Whose fault is it then if they did not see the mess and why didn’t she take them to the unit that had been damaged? She had two opportunities to make a statement, file a report but she refused. She wanted to protect Johnny. Sure.

    She waited until he was out of the country before filing the restraining order. He would not be able to go to court to counter her arguments. The day after her court appearance she is seen laughing with her ‘witness’.

    Johnny is lying, the police are lying, the security guards are lying. Vanessa is lying. Johnny’s ex wife is lying. Everyone is lying except Amber. She needs to remember the saying, when you tell one lie, you need a thousand more to cover it.

    Sorry if I am in the minority on this site but the more Amber’s ‘sources’ talk the more I shake my head.

    • Rebecca says:

      Perhaps someone should ask Kate Moss what happened when they got in a fight in 1994 and he trashed an entire hotel room because of that fight. Further, who says Johnny’s exes are lying?

      The difference between those relationships and the relationships with Amber Heard and Kate Moss is that Johnny is and was very far gone to his addictions to drugs and alcohol. A person is more prone to violence when they are using.

    • Me says:

      I believe her. And i believe it was all along their relationship.
      Many people defending him here, that were his haters until recent, used to note and write everywhere about why Amber always had bruises and scratches on her arms, several times even notoriously using makeup over her arms to hide it.
      Stupidly, i always tried to tone down those comments, that were about nothing, that maybe she had an allergy?
      I’m not stupid anymore. I think her constants bruises on her arms, scratches on her wrists were caused by Johnny!!

  44. MSgirl says:

    I wonder if the fact the LAPD saw no bruises will impact her case. She will probably need evidence or witnesses to other abuse incidents. Johnny’s witnesses are backing him up.

  45. HK9 says:

    Look, the man married her without a prenup, and then preceded to assault her. These are his decisions that are coming back to haunt him.

  46. a reader says:

    YES exactly. i can’t believe how depp’s team is trying to make HIM into the victim…. as if a fully grown 50 something year old man isn’t capable of dealing with the consequences of his decisions.

    this reminds me of one of my exes, who was a sociopath. he was completely incapable of connecting his actions to the reactions of others. he didn’t believe that anything he did resulted in any consequences for him. it was always everyone else’s fault.

  47. Tourmaline says:

    I can’t stand the statements like “Why is she asking for a financial settlement? Why is she asking to stay in the house? Why can’t she just be glad she escaped with her life?” It’s a divorce, there is no prenup, she needs to ask for a financial settlement as part of the filings or give up the right to ever do so. Why should she neglect the financial aspect of a divorce just because he hit her? That makes no sense and incentives domestic abuse.

    Reminds me of those who say of Denise Richards, “Why is she asking for child support? She should just move out of California and be happy to have Charlie Sheen out of her life!” Do people think about the implications of this kind of kneejerk reaction to abuse victims?

  48. lucky says:

    It’s basically a matter of public record that he became a horrible drunk/addict, and I feel she is owed compensation for having to deal with that alone. I’m uncomfortable commenting on the abuse. She seems bright and to have the right people in her life and I think she will move on productively. He on the other hand is falling apart. If he did what he is accused of doing, it should be dealt with. But I don’t want to see another tragic case. A year from now, he might be in mental state of mind to address what he did or did not do. Right now he clearly has a serious drug and alcohol problem which (among other things) is being enabled by his inner circle. If his circle is leaking to TMZ as a strategy to deal with this issue, that’s a huge issue. I think Amber is going to be ok from this point forward, but Depp…he’s in it deep. I hope they both move on into happier lives.

  49. Magnoliarose says:

    I too have experienced a person like this and you are so right. They never see the truth.

  50. Who ARE these people? says:

    Thanks for common sense. You’re right. This isn’t high school, people. Women have financial lives and, in the case of an antagonistic divorce, especially against far wealthier partners, need resources to achieve justice and maintain their independence.

    Women who have been mistreated should not have to slink away in the middle of the night like they did something wrong.

    Poverty traps women in abusive relationships.

  51. HK9 says:

    @Whoaretheseprople?
    Thank you. He made her his wife and when they divorce she’s entitled to a settlement. I was dismayed at the assertion by some that her account of what happened would have been more credible if she renounced the money she’s entitled to. I don’t see how adding poverty to her situation enhances her credibility.

  52. Who ARE these people? says:

    I think people who are in denial about abuse just want the reporting victims to be quiet, go away and not assert their rights. It’s the ultimate expectation of women in society — to accept less and take unequal treatment with a smile.

  53. Tourmaline says:

    @WhoARE….Right….it’s the distancing and the “othering” of victims. “These women are nothing like me…. I would just walk away without a cent to get away from him….I wouldn’t want a thing from him. ”

    Divorce involves in part the separation of finances. If Depp didn’t want to formalize the relationship in that way he shouldn’t have gotten married. Now all the repercussions of dissolving a marriage are in play and yes money, property, etc. is in play. I don’t raise my eyebrow one millimeter at the financial aspects of this situation. The financial requests in the legal paperwork actually seem quite reasonable.

  54. Sarah01 says:

    @ who are
    A big resounding YES!
    Be grateful, shut up and smile.

  55. Goldie says:

    I don’t have a problem with Amber asking for a financial settlement. However, a lot of the posters who said that they wouldn’t take anything were women who had actually been in abusive relationships and were speaking from their own experience. I doubt that they were trying to shame other dv victims.

  56. Tourmaline says:

    Point taken @Goldie. Generally speaking (and not referring to any particular posters today) there can be a thread of victim-blaming where there is second guessing of why did they ask for this, why did they stay there, etc. I feel strongly that giving up one’s rights to seek a financial settlement in a divorce case is not something women should have to do in order to be believed or understood.

  57. claire says:

    It’s not uncommon for sure. Pretty often I’ve seen cases where someone just wants to get the hell away and not have any remaining connections, if possible. Or, there’s times when having a connection, like receiving payments, means a monthly reminder, an opportunity for that person to still exert control, having to give the abuser personal information or their address. The list goes on… Or, it just means a longer court situation, and they just want to get their safety situation fixed and not have to deal with the person anymore. Everyone is different, for sure.

  58. Goldie says:

    @tourmaline Oh I agree. As others have stated, there seems to be this perception that the victim has to be a saint in order to be believed.

  59. Magnoliarose says:

    Yep. So true @tourmaline and Goldie.

  60. Gatita says:

    Considering the rates of poverty for women who divorce, it makes no sense not to pursue a settlement. Even in the woman isn’t facing poverty legally she is entitled to a share of the marital assets. Why should she give that up?