Here are some photos of Kim Kardashian out and about in Woodland Hills on Friday. She was filming Keeping Up with the Kardashians with her family. While I think Kim looks remarkably conservative here, I’d also like to give her a spot of advice: you can’t hide anything in satin. Satin will reveal your every bump and lump and Spanx. This skirt does a disservice to Kim and her weight loss efforts, I’m just saying. Oh, and look at Kim’s profile – her nose looks super-jacked, right? How many different noses has she had? Good God.
Meanwhile, Kim also went to the BlogHer 16 conference in LA on Friday. She basically did a Q&A session with SheKnows’ Elisa Camahort Page. Kim ended up talking about a lot of different stuff, and E! compiled a long list of her comments – go here to read. Some highlights:
On rumors that giving birth to Saint was a publicity stunt: “So truly, I was not posting about my son because I wanted him to be able to go to the park every single day like a normal human being and nobody knows who he is… He’s eight months old now, and people thought he didn’t exist. People thought I had a whole fake baby and I made this whole thing up because I wasn’t posting about it. And to me, that’s so ridiculous.”
On what she’s learned from Kanye West: “We do have a really private relationship. He’s very private even though he’s in the business and I’m very open, so he’s really taught me how to become a little bit more private and I’ve taught him about how to be a little bit more open. It really works for us. So I definitely save that part of my home life and my life with my kids I try to hold on to.”
On being a feminist: “Everyone always says, are you a feminist? I don’t think that I am. I don’t like labels. I do what makes me happy and I want women to be confident. I am so supportive of women. I love nothing more than when I’m with all my friends and I love to support women but I’m not a ‘free the nipple-type” of girl. If you’re not comfortable with that, don’t do it! I’m not about the labels. Just be you and be confident in you.”
On why she’s so open about her body: “Because I feel good about myself! I mean, after you have a kid and now after you have two kids there is a feeling. I mean, I lost 70 pounds. So when you dedicate yourself getting up every morning, wake up at six in the morning, feeding one baby, get to go work out for an hour, coming back, feeding another baby, my husband, and then come back… I’m like, ‘I have three people I have to take care of!’ You can just get so caught up in not wanting to be motivated. So I made it a really important thing for my confidence and for me to feel good. Have I posted a new selfie since I lost all my baby weight? I don’t think so!”
On paying attention to her haters: “If you were to ask me this question a few years ago, I would definitely have a different answer. I used to care about all of the comments… I think as you get older you just mature…. I have my family. I have my kids. I don’t need to sit at home and I don’t really have the extra time to look at comments. I know that the hate is out there. When I post something, whether it’s a nude selfie or something, I don’t post it just to get a reaction. I post it because I like the photo. It could be really something simple, so I’m not really looking at what the comments are.”
On being underestimated: “If I don’t sing and I don’t dance but still doing what I’m doing, how easy is my job? I don’t have to do any of that. I don’t have to be on stage like you working so hard but we’re still driving the same car! We’re still living the same life! I don’t mind getting underestimated but I feel for people that, I understand how it could bother them if they were in the same situation… I just love to prove people wrong.”
On her support of gun control: “I am just terrified of everything. I am so paranoid, so afraid… It’s such high anxiety. I’ve never had it but there’s something when you have two kids, you just, I don’t know. So yes, I’ve definitely become more aware. I’ve definitely spoken out more as far as definitely gun control. I just want to be super protective of my kids so I have felt that need.”
“Everyone always says, are you a feminist? I don’t think that I am.” Well, a lot of people agree with her? That was why everyone yelled at her this past spring, when she spoke about feeling empowered by celebrating her body and taking nude selfies. I defended her on feminist grounds, because I fundamentally believe that it’s her body, her choice about ALL things. So I’m disappointed that Kim can’t go the distance and just say “of course I’m a feminist, feminism is about equality and every woman making her own choices.” Why can’t certain women go to that place? Why do they have to talk around it and say all of these feminist words and then reject the label?
And the “Saint was a fake baby” thing was always stupid. Of course her pregnancy was real and Saint is a real baby! As if to prove the point, Kim tweeted this absolutely adorable video of Saint laughing this weekend. So cute!
👶🏾😍👼🏾 pic.twitter.com/4Wpv8WFIKB
— Kim Kardashian West (@KimKardashian) August 7, 2016
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet.
This should not come as a surprise. Kim is like her husband, an issue is only an issue if you attack HER. She couldn’t care less if misogyny is hurled at other women.
Saint is so adorable it hurts!!
There it is, i can’t even front shock or anything other than… “As We Knew You To Be”
Exactly. Is anyone REALLY surprised by her stupid comment?
Yup. Insert *kanye shrug gif* here.
Is it just me or is she trying to look like Beyonce???
so whats more important saying a word or being a feminist?
That’s not the question. The question is why, when you clearly ARE a feminist, is that word so scary?
She doesn’t want to label herself? She does. As long as the label is “mogul” or “business woman” or “MILF”. But feminist? No. Because above all else, her brand is “sexy/sex” and anything that endangers that image isn’t coming near her.
You just hit the nail in the head.
You did nail it. Yet why do so many still resist the label? Why is it yet still associated with man hatred in 2016? And who did such a disservice to the word feminist that so many women still recoil?
it’s more important to act like a feminist. i know people who call themselves feminist but are anything but, and i don’t just mean the sleazy dude who tries to impress by declaring himself ‘A FEMINIST’ in all all capitals. that said, it’s sad we managed to turn the term into a bad word people are scared to pronounce; we should reclaim it.
kim is not a feminist though, so she’s right about this.
its just that i dont see the sense in spending energy getting mad about that. i agree with you that Kim is not a feminist but there are so many also women who say they are but they are not. so even if she said “i am a proud feminist” i would have said she isnt. Taylor Swift for example who uses feminist rhethoric for her personal gain but how much is she doing for other women? (when she isnt spending a lot of money making a video about bashing another woman)
i really dont see the problem with people not calling themselves feminist when they are acutally feminists. the absolute majority believes men and women are equal. thats what matters.
words are basically meaningless, especially famous people will say anything that will make them money or make them look like. see all their failed charities.
to see men and women as equal is normal in the west, there are enough surveys to show that. i find it more fitting to call people sexist for example who hate women than ask people to apply a political label to them. which most people dont want to which is actually a good thing.
if you dumb down feminism to “i believe in equalty” you have gained nothing and will have so many people thre who dont agree on anything else and what does that help?
it could be because i am so put of by partisanship, im way more focused on issues.
i find the whole “are you a feminist” to famous women silly, ask them about certain issues, that would be more interesting.
Apparently saying the word, these women seem to be terrified of it and that teaches others to be terrified of it too.
If you’re scared to call yourself a feminist, not an intellectual disagreement based on a different set of beliefs, but you’re because of offending a man then on a fundamental level you have not achieve feminism in your actions either.
Maybe its not about offending men… unfortunately people by nature like to place people in boxes (all the liberals, all the republicans, all white/black/etc. people).
Personally I consider myself a feminist, equal right, equal pay, live and let live, I’m a young, short woman leading a team of 20 in a corp environment (with only 1 male employee and the majority of my employees are mothers with multiple children), I support women in whatever way I can through my actions.
However….. I definitely don’t subscribe to everything the current Jezebel type of new-wave feminist ideologies and buzzwords imply, which most people think of first when it comes to hearing the word only today.
Anyhow, I think by not labeling yourself, more people are still around to listen to your actual message without tuning out just because of their pre-conceived notions and biases.
This might make me a “bad” feminist but there you go.
iknowyoudon’tknowme – if your issue is one of privacy, for instance you don’t share your religion or your political leanings at work, that is one thing. But if they know your political party or religion or your opinions on anything else, then it’s not so honest to say you’re avoiding “labels” by calling yourself a feminist. Also, if you find there are salary discrepancies at your company for men and women (the wage gap still exists), will you still feel that identifying with a movement to promote equal treatment for men and women is something people will find it too hard to hear?
Hi Trashaddict, cant reply directly. Well yes I generally keep politics and religion off the table at work so yes I generally avoid all labels.
BTW like I mentioned in my team out of a team of 20+ people, I have student contractors and mothers supporting their families, and 1 male worker only. There is no wage gap and discrepancy in the salaries I give them, its all on basis of merit, experience skills and demonstrated effort in the job. Im not saying I wouldnt label myself because its hard to hear, Im just saying that I often found it more effective so simply share the ideas and actions rather than the label… as sad as it may be but like in my examples people are more apt to consider your viewpoint if they dont have a preconceived notion of you to begin with
Im also old enough to know the struggle our mothers worked so hard to get where we are today. My guess is growing up with a right wing nutjob conservative Bruce Jenner, the TV or radio exposed them to Faux News or Rush Limbaugh…where femiNazi is a term frequently used
Are we surprised about this?
And no one thought she did the whole nude selfie because of feminism or empowerment. We all know she did it for attention. But the has the right to do it, and he fact that we live in a day and age where she is allowed to do it is empowering.
I really hated that comment about how “I don’t work as hard as you but I’m compensated the same”. I would’ve gone all Wendy Williams on her if she was in front of me when she said that. I want to like her, but she constantly disappoints me, as if quality and quantity were the same. Kimberly, it’s not about that! Apart from love, life is about knowledge, education, service and, to some people, faith amongst other great things. I think of her as Quinn from Daria sometimes.
I think Kim K is one of those people who doesn’t know what the word feminist really means (not surprising) but who would probably strongly agree if you just flat out asked them: “Don’t you believe that all people should be treated equally in society regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, and/or sexuality?” I’m not really sure if it’s just a matter of her worrying men won’t find her hot if she called herself a feminist, I think it’s about her not being able to explain on her own what a feminist is;
But here’s the thing: Even if Kim K did identify as a feminist, and even if she used a definition just like that to describe her political beliefs, people would still definitely insist that she wasn’t one. While some of it would be valid questioning of her feminism because of problematic comments like “I think interracial couples are a good look”, her role in cultural appropriation, and the way that she doesn’t seem to get involved in any type of feminism that doesn’t just involve misogyny directed at her, a lot of the criticism would be of the popular, not so valid, ignorant, No True Scotsman -style “She can’t be a feminist because ‘slutty’/’capitalizes on looks and sex appeal’/’not a respectable lady”/”does things that make her attractive to many members of the opposite sex” variety that always shows up. (A type of criticism that’s actually manages to be anti-feminist and a misunderstanding of the definition of feminism all by itself. What a mess).
This is very ironic considering she loves to free to not only the nipples but everything else. But I can’t say I am surprised, this just confirm just exactly what I though and said about Kim. I don’t think kim know the definition of feminism or care about the issue. The naked selfies were not about empowerment but only for attention and money and chloe was 100% right to call her out on it.
so you do not want equal rights, pay, etc for women? Good to know.
She said she doesn’t believe in the label, that does not mean she does not like or understand aspects of the movement.
Ha! No KK, you are NOT a feminist. Making a lot of money does not make you a feminist. Letting reality TV dictate your life does not make you a feminist. Getting plastic surgery every ten minutes to look like a blow-up doll for men does not make you a feminist. Plastering nude pictures all over every single form of media does not make you a feminist. Has KK ever expressed ANY interest in the plight of less privileged women? Has she ever supported strong women in work or in politics? I don’t think you can be relentlessly self-absorbed and calculating 24 hours a day AND a feminist.
I dont think her behaviour is contradicting to feminism.
being with someone as misogynist as kanye is, though.
I think she believes women should have equal rights and equal pay, so she fits the definition for me even though she doesn’t want to use the word (my guess is due to Kanye’s influence, many men are uncomfortable with the word because the root is feminine, another reason to just cast it in terms of equality). The word doesn’t really mean anything else such as supporting other women – that can be considered part of a framework that includes basic feminism, but the main point is really just equality.
Jwoolman you are making a lot of assumptions about Kanye. He prescribes to a lot of 5%er, or Moors, teachings which is about viewing the female form from a goddess of the earth position. The woman is important to 5%er teachings and she plays an important and equal role. She can have other reasons for not wanting the label.
Wrong place.
She has supported strong women in politics – she’s endorsed Hillary Clinton.
And of course you can be ‘self-absorbed and calculating’ and a feminist. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Feminism isn’t a club exclusive to Good, Virtuous People.
She fits the definition of stupid.
See I don’t think this is very a very feminist comment, not sure if you are or not. She doesn’t have to subscribe to your brand of feminism to be a feminist, even if she shys away from the word. Support women in their right to be a women and celebrate it. If she does so by posting selfies and plastic surgery, it’s her right. And she has supported women in politics…she support Hillary. I’m not claiming KK is a saint or a role model in any way. I just take issue with blasting her brand of feminism….that’s not good.
See, I don’t think she’s really a feminist either, but not for those reasons. She can run around naked and take selfies all day and that’s her choice. What makes her not really a feminist, to me, is WHY she does said things. Harming yourself (because that’s what extensive plastic surgery is) to better fit into the ideals of the male gaze is not feminist. Stuffing yourself into ill fitting clothes (apparently) at your husband’s behest, posting pictures of yourself to validate your self worth, and selling every bit of your life is not feminist.
Why? Because the power rests squarely with other people, the ones you’re catering to, not you. You can put on a show, talk a big game about being empowered, but are you really? True empowerment doesn’t rely on the validation of other people, it comes from within. This woman would not exist without the attention she gets from others. That is decidedly not empowering. She acts like she wouldn’t even know what to do with herself if everyone left her alone. Yes, it’s her choice to do what she does, but why is she making that choice? And if we’re going to be conspiracy theorists, did she even really make the choice herself?
@WREN Spot on again! Love your posts and agree 100%
I disagree with some of this because I don’t think anyone acting on insecurities they didn’t choose to have about their bodies and looks or acting on their desires to be attractive (which is part nurture because of beauty standards and societal expectations, but also part nature because it’s natural to want to turn on and be seen as attractive to whomever you want to attract) is automatically disqualified from being a feminist, or that their acting on those desires for themselves makes any political beliefs or activism for women, poc, and LGBTQA people in vain. As for the empowerment and validation thing- they can go together: A person can be empowered from doing something, but also get empowerment from other people seeing them take that action, especially if it’s something people usually try to shame, manipulate, scare, discourage, or hold them back from doing.
“Making a lot of money does not make you a feminist. Letting reality TV dictate your life does not make you a feminist. Getting plastic surgery every ten minutes to look like a blow-up doll for men does not make you a feminist. Plastering nude pictures all over every single form of media does not make you a feminist.” – None of these things automatically disqualify someone as a feminist either though.
As for being self-absorbed (which she is), that doesn’t even automatically disqualify her as a feminist either, because being a feminist doesn’t mean you can’t also be a flawed human being. (We all are). A person with flaws in their character still has their political (or for some, religious) beliefs, whether they’re a feminist, a Christian, a liberal, a republican, or anything else. The problem is that feminists and Christians (and every other group of people) sometimes seem to want to see their group as synonymous with ‘deep, altruistic saint’ (or other things that are good) and are quick to insist that those who show obvious character flaws or do bad things aren’t really Christians or feminists.
There is a buzzfeed article about her denying being a feminist and it said something that I think applies to both Kim and SJP-they both enjoy and embrace the benefits that feminism has given them but want no part of respecting feminism or the feminists who got them where they are. So, yeah, they should own the word but both of them would probably have to actually learn the definition to do that. When they sh#t on the word without recognizing it’s value in society, for young girls and for themselves (their privilege allows them this luxury), they hurt the whole movement. I have young cousins who love this idiot family and I can just hear them now-“I don’t like labels so I’m not a feminist.”
Ok but to be fair to SJP, she clarified that she finds the term “feminism” as excluding other groups in terms of equality. Of course, I completely disagree with her but she at least sounded like she thought things through a little bit.
Some quotes:
“But I see a lot of people trying to sort out their roles. People of color, gays, lesbians, and transgenders who are carving out this space. I’m not spitting in the face or being lazy about what still needs to be done — but I don’t think it’s just women anymore. We would be so enormously powerful if it were a humanist movement.”
“I am not a feminist. I don’t think I qualify. I believe in women and I believe in equality, but I think there is so much that needs to be done that I don’t even want to separate it anymore. I’m so tired of separation. I just want people to be treated equally.”
“I would like all of that nonsense to end. I would like women to get paid for the value of their contributions, not by old-fashioned ideas about gender.”
She says a lot of feminist things, for someone who seems so terrified of the feminist label.
I don’t know…it just makes me sad that some women view feminism in the pejorative.
And the “humanism” stuff–ugh, so damn eyerolly.
Tina Fey served up some sharp, subtle humor on the feminist question & the “humanist” answer. It’s the last question on this WTF press junket, but the entire line of questioning is feminist focused (+ a Kardashian question).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoIAo0GJQ2A
The word was tainted long ago and people are still scared of it. For whatever reason, it’s viewed as something that defines a person to the exclusion of all other things. The idea that you can be a feminist, and a gay rights advocate, and an environmentalist, and a black lives matter supporter and so on and so forth is somehow foreign. Like you can only be a feminist and talk only of feminism, and everything you say and do will be seen through that filter, when really it should be one of many beliefs and issues that are important to you.
No kidding Wren. Perhaps my years in Women’s Studies means nothing – yet feminists have changed the world. more truly, than any other idea. What does equality have to do with being hetero? – I am a woman, and I am equal to a man – perhaps even more, because the entire world depends on me teaching the unconditional love of mothers. I’m f=cking proud – What is better than that?
I am a feminist – and I SEE that the hand that rocks the cradle, rocks the world.
I don’t think she’s a feminist either.
Of course she eschews the feminist label, yet she hides behind feminism when it suits her.
I’m not “disappointed” because it’s Kim Kardashian. Who gives a sh*t whether she’s a feminist or not?
I’m not disappointed either because my god, did we expect her to say anything else? But it would be so powerful if she called herself a feminist. Because she is, even if I disagree with her brand. But all those girls whose daily routine revolves around Instagram sexiness? Who try to emulate her and all the others whose brand is nothing but fluff and posing? It would – for once – send a positive message.
I agree. My first instinct was to say “who cares what this one thinks,” but she is a successful businesswoman and a potential symbol for female body/sexuality empowerment. It would be powerful if she owned it actually using the term feminist (even if some would scoff). She could embody a new category–vain/narcissistic feminist ;-).
True but we already have an Amber Rose, you know?
I generally agree that it’s a good thing when very public figures embrace feminism, but Kim has a history of being uninterested and noncommittal in terms of social and political activism. The sex kitten voice, the incessant nudes, the provocative poses, the sexy clothing–all of these intentional choices to carefully craft a sex goddess image.
But when you pull the curtain aside, there’s nothing behind it.
Ultimately, I’m not sure that feminism would really benefit from this empty vessel.
Amber Rose is similarly unapologetic in terms of her past and her unabashedly sexy image, but the difference is that she has the constitution to back it up.
Again, I don’t agree with the message of her brand which is – as you say – built on sex/sexiness without much substance. But when you look at her business and how she conducts it and at the way she lives her life, I don’t see how she isn’t living the concept. She’s always maintained that women should be allowed to live their lives the way they want to without judgment. Has she slipped and judged others? Uh, yes. Have I? Yes. I’m still a feminist. One that isn’t proud of having asshat moments. She’s also a working mother who’s never tried to sell us the vegan/yoga/judgy kind of motherhood idea that so many others have thrown our way in recent years. She was very honest about hating the experience of pregnancy and she stayed true to herself when she could’ve made it part of her business. I honestly appreciate that a lot.
You can argue that her brand in and of itself is incompatible with feminism. But I don’t doubt for a second that she is living her life exactly the way she wants to and she is unapologetic about it. So can someone who perpetuates that image of the empty vessel in lingerie (or nothing at all) be a feminist? I think they can. Can a woman wearing a headscarf be a feminist? I believe so even if I disagree with what it stands for.
ETA: We need more than one (Amber Rose). 😉
One of the things that has always lurked in my mind is that, for every woman who makes “the choice” to instagram or selfie herself in various stages of undress, that same technology has allowed the sex trafficking industry to flourish. An industry where women and children are robbed of choice at rates highly disproportionate to men. And $0 wages to apply to the wage gap discussion.
“..for every woman who makes the choice (quotations removed for being unnecessary) to instagram or selfie herself in various stages of undress, that same technology has allowed the sex trafficking industry to flourish. An industry where women and children are robbed of choice at rates highly disproportionate to men.” That doesn’t mean women who choose to pose nude or semi-nude are in any way to blame for the existence of rape, pedophilia, or human trafficking, that women not doing those things will save other women and children from rape or human trafficking, or that women should stop doing that because these problems exist. The same could be said about sex, abortion, childbearing, and marriage: for all the women who choose those things, their are women, gays, children, and others who are robbed of their choice in the matter by either having those rights taken away from them or by having those things forced on them. It doesn’t mean women are doing something wrong to choose those things because of the abusive or discriminatory practices of others, or that women who choose those things are complicit in that.
I am just grateful that she is wearing undergarments
It’s sad that “free the nipple!” is the only feminist cause that pops into her head.
She doesn’t want people to recognize Saint…so she posts videos of him online. Makes perfect sense.
Kanye can’t feed himself? Kanye can’t feed his children?
I never heard the “fake pregnancy” theory. Did Kim or her ghost writer just make that up as a straw man to knock down?
What I was hearing was that the baby wasn’t cute enough yet or had a visible physical problem such as cleft lip that needed to be corrected before they could show him off to the world. But they didn’t show much of Nori in the first few months either, and got more serious about pap walks with her when she started to look much cuter. Yes, I know, babies are always cute – but it’s when they start to grow out of the baby fat that their features typically become more distinctive and appealing to strangers. The decrease in drool helps also… Before then they tend to all look like Winston Churchill, as was the case with little Prince George (who has the excuse of actually also being related to Winston).
I was wondering about the same thing. Fake baby? I never heard she might have faked her pregnancy. Is she confusing herself with Beyoncé?
I was feeling kindly toward her till I got to the part about her getting up, working out, feeding both babies and her husband. Beyotch please, do we look stupid to you? Two words: lipo nannies.
Hehe..sounds like a new E reality show..lipo nannies. Oh, and don’t forget the army of housekeepers, assistants, hair and makeup people, trainers, security (with guns?), people paid to be ‘friends’ on the show, gardeners, etc etc…
Yeah, the person who wrote her answers really went too far on that one. As if anybody is going to believe Kim feeds her baby and toddler and husband (!) in the morning. Nori acted like she was a stranger for so long in Kim’s fake “bonding with the baby” pics, which is not the way a baby reacts to someone who actually routinely feeds them. Feeding is a powerful driver for bonding with babies. Older kids can get to know non-feeders for other reasons, but babies are pretty focused on the basics.
I can just see Kim trying frantically to find the cereal box so she can fill up Kanye’s bowl…. Poor guy can’t do it for himself.
See this is what drives me nuts about this family. The constant stream of lies that they expect everyone to buy. Don’t people find it hard to respect a liar? I just don’t get it. There are no absolutes anymore.
Part of being a feminist is doing what you want with your body. Kim has that down pat and that is all fine and good. On most everything else, she loses me however. Can she see anything above and beyond her physicality? She is so shallow. We are doomed as a society if this is what passes for a productive human being. This family has young women following them in droves.
Plus, isn’t the best part of feminism found in what one gives back to the world? I think I am just to old to understand this world anymore. It is really depressing.
When I read this part:
“So when you dedicate yourself getting up every morning, wake up at six in the morning, feeding one baby, get to go work out for an hour, coming back, feeding another baby, my husband, and then come back… I’m like, ‘I have three people I have to take care of!’”
my eyes rolled so far back into my head that I gave myself a headache. You got up at six? Aww, what a sacrifice. You got to go work out for an hour? Aww, that’s so hard. You had to feed your other child and your husband? Aww, how DO you MANAGE it all? Oh, that’s right – you have paid help and a lot of it.
So, feminism is just about freeing the nipple and not about the right to equal pay or equal opportunity in employment or the right to own property or have your own credit or say no to your husband or right to education or the right to access health care or be tried in front of a jury of your actual peers (yes, this was an issue that went to SCOTUS)?
Somebody alert the Notorious RBG that she wasted her time all those decades.
I’m not a feminist because I like men and wear a bra. That’s what feminism is, right, hating men and burning your bra? I don’t know what to call all that other stuff about equality…”equality-ism” maybe?
Initially I thought the typo of her name in the title was done on purpose because man, she looks completely different to me! Her nose is getting tinier!
It find it sad that “free the nipples” is what comes to her mind when asked about feminism. So many people just don’t get it.
‘I’m not a ‘free the nipple-type” of girl’
…i mean, that’t not what feminist means, but ok kim.
also, we all know you’re not a feminist regardless of what you say. being married to a renowned misogynist tends to point to that.
The bit about not being a “free the nipple” type really puzzled me. Isn’t that pretty much a description of her typical clothing? And all her naked selfies? What distinction is she or her ghost-writing assistant trying to make?
On that note, she looks rather nice in these pics.
The concept of ‘white woman feminism’ poisoned the word for me, NGL. The fandom wars on LJ circa 2009 made me want to burn the word to the ground. So I call myself a womanist instead.
And that is absolutely 100% fine because it is a choice you are making based on an intellectual disagreement.
You truly do care about equality for women but struggle with the way feminism as its represented in Western Society often puts the focus on perfecting the lives of white women before attending to the basic needs of minority women.
Even in Kim saying “I’m not a free the nipple kind of girl” (which I find hilariously ironic since she’s freed every other part of her body) says something. THAT is the big social media cause that western feminism has been pushing. I’m not suggesting it’s the only feminist cause being fought for but that when it comes to celebrities and social justice work I see more young feminists fighting to free the nipple then defend their health rights.
Western Feminism as it is right now has become wrapped up in buzz words “Squads” “Lean In” “I’m not Bossy, I’m the Boss” that ultimately forget about the differences in the treatment of women not just based on sex but race as well.
So to make my ridiculously long point short: I get it.
I don’t ID as a womanist either, although it is supposed to be for women like myself i can’t get on board with it because I find so much of the same problems I have with feminism in womanism so now I am BWE instead which suit me much better. It’s all about finding what’s right for you.
Why does she have to be feminist? Why does she have to embrace a label she doesn’t identify with? It’s just a word. Let’s celebrate its current popularity while it lasts, instead of forcing it on people who don’t identify with it.
I say this as someone who has loudly identified as a feminist since childhood, someone who was bullied for identifying as feminist as a teenager. Feminism welcomes but does not need Kim Kardashian West. It’s her identity and her business.
I agree, but I do wish she wouldn’t incorrectly explain feminism by implication in asserting her non-feminism. She made it seem like a feminist had to be a certain way and not an individual. Just say “I don’t like labels – I think they divide people.” Or something. And then feminists don’t have to sweep up after her.
Feminism is about women having equal rights as men.
It doesn’t mean you think women are or should be the same as men. The differences are quite delicious, in fact.
It doesn’t mean that all feminists value all the same things. For example, I think Miley’s nipples should be out of the public view unless she’s getting ready to nurse a real baby.
It means equal rights regardless of gender. It’s a thing (much like Black Lives Matter) because things are not currently equal now, so there needs to be an actual movement to support something granted to all equally in the Constitution.
….And as long as you think the nipples of Justin Bieber, Channing Tatum, and Orlando Bloom should be covered just as you think the nipples of Miley Cyrus should be covered, there’s no sexism there anyway. 🙂
I know – it’s not consistent. It’s not even women’s nipples in general – it’s Miley and similar needy women who make something beautiful into something embarrassing and cheap.
Yeah this got a big ol shrug from me.
Ultimately I don’t think she is either, because if she was then damn has she missed the point. I don’t even feel as annoyed at her as I felt at SJP because in SJP’s answer was ignorance. A choice to be ignorant but ultimately no desire to harm anyone or further contribute to a system of harm.
All Kim and her family do is CHOOSE to contribute to that system of harm. Choosing to abandon their youngest for one to become a glorified cam model who wasn’t given attention until she got more plastic surgery than the Bride of Frankenstein. Letting the other one walk the runway through money and management so that she can hop-skip-and jump her way to a steady feed of cameras and no work. Glorifying and ghettofying their bodies and themselves thinking poverty and ignorance is a fun costume to wear to look tough or cool. Happily accepting when magazines and other media announce them as the originator and creator of fashion and styles worn by black women for decades. Never wanting to speak up about black issues but happy to pose with black rappers and joke about their semi-exclusive taste in black men and the list truly goes on from there.
NOTHING about that family is feminist to me. It’s like a slavery camp based on who can sell parts of themselves off the fastest and best. No big loss to the feminist movement here.
Kim has supported the black communities though. She speaks out about her own ignorance to the inequalities facing POC before meeting Kanye. I don’t disagree with your point on the whole, I just think it was misinformed on this one piece. I mean she’s not my choice for a feminist face, but I don’t think every feminist has to be a lobbyist for every social issue. You can be a feminist through live and let live. Passive? Yes, but still an option.
I feel like this article’s title would’ve been much better served if prefaced with “Surprisingly no one…”
I really liked her original nose…too bad she didn’t.
Feminism = Equality.
Plain and simple. If you don’t believe in that, you are an idiot Kim. But we already knew that.
Everyone knows that you are not a feminist, Kimmode.
We didn’t think you are, honey
I don’t want her on the feminist train anyway. She’s pretty much the antithesis, imho.
I don’t know why it’s so hard for people to understand that their noses are constantly changing because CONTOURING! I personally hate contouring down the sides of the nose, but they do it all the time and in inconsistent amounts.
And UGH KIM NO WHYYYYY? Et tu Brutus??? YOU ARE A FEMINIST
Oh TOTALLY. Just like Kylie’s lips are due to lip liner…..
I know right? Sorry but contouring can’t do THAT to your nose ! Google Kim before 2009 and take a good look !
LOL, I don’t even care about her answer what I care about is “Everyone always says, are you a feminist” They don’t SAY, they ASK! Grammar police here but that statement just about killed me. It’s a question you dumbass, not a statement.
Sorry…not sorry.
Ummmmmm, we are talking about Kim K, right? She’s not exactly known for her depth or her knowledge . I was flipping through channels in my hotel room, and watched KUWTK for less than sixty seconds. I had to change the channel because Kim is such a plastic, shell of a human. Her face doesn’t move and her speech patterns are mind numbing. With that being said, isn’t feminism about being able to be who you want to be without labels? Why does she have to call herself something she doesn’t want to.
I think the concept of feminism has been so often tarnished that not many women want to call themselves a feminist these days.
I do understand your point Kaiser, often reiterated, on how feminism should not be seen as a fight of the past. There is so much for women to still gain that we should all get involved in some way.
I agree with this. But still.
There are other causes that take priority to me. Such as pride in natural beauty and hair for the black women (that I am). Or the racial discrimination that people of my background still experience.
As for my rights as a woman, I believe they should be respected. But I do also feel that as women, we are so different from men that we should not be expected the same things, we should have different rights.
I am at a stage now, where my life as a new mother has made me reluctant to work from 9 to 5, Monday to Friday. I want my job to fit around my family life, and I still want to have a good income and fulfilling work life.
Not something a man would ever need. Is that feminism too?
I am really starting to like Kim now. And I get what she’s saying about not wanting to be labeled. My husband is like that. He acts like a feminist (hes married to me!) But rejects the word. I think the word feminist is what turns people off. Really it’s like what Masie Williams said. She said you’re either normal or sexist. I like that. I also agree with Kim in the sense of you do you. Don’t judge, let’s support! So if a woman wants to reject the feminist label but live the feminist lifestyle, that’s fine by me! I chose to use the label as well but that’s just my decision. Doesn’t mean I’m above Kim in some way.
Did she have her nose done again? Her face looks completely different, and it looks like she had a cleft put in her chin?
Sheesh, this entering Jackson territory…
Hm. I’m pretty sure Kim “freed her nipples” in a video long ago. . .
Please can we stop with Kim altogether? Or at least treating “feminist” like a dirty word.
I am 50+ years old, I grew up watching women feeling constrained to the limit as housewives, I watched them working hard to be taken seriously in the workplace, in sports, in politics. They were feminists and we’re riding on their shoulders. They worked damn hard at it. In the field of medicine, we went from almost NO female physicians to almost 50% of medical trainees today being women. Similar changes in law. I would not deny my niece and my daughters the opportunities they have today. They owe it to women who were not afraid to drop the “pleasant” stereotype and were not afraid to identify themselves as feminists. Shame on you Kim. And shame on anybody else in this day and age who forgets where we came from and who far we still have to go.
to me she always looks like she’s styled for a front view–and then all the pins holding the lumps & bumps are hidden in back.
I identity as a humanist. Equality and fairness for people. Male female thinking is base. Elevate to be inclusive for everyone.