Hillary Clinton has been keeping up a crazy pace for more than a year. While Donald Trump does one event a day and then flies back to NYC to sleep in his own bed, Clinton has been on the road for weeks and sometimes months at a time. It’s not just being on the road – it’s being surrounded by people, especially kids (who are germ-magnets) at rallies and events. So when Hillary had a coughing fit last week and her people simply said it was “seasonal allergies,” I bought it. This is the time of year when I stock up on Sudafed too, and my immune system is not even being weakened by all that travel, etc. None of that allergy talk stopped Donald Trump’s people from raising a stink about “what is Hillary hiding?!” and “she obviously has a brain tumor, etc.”
Yesterday, at the Manhattan event honoring the 15th anniversary of the victims of 9/11 attacks, Hillary Clinton seemed even worse though. To be fair, whoever decided that Hillary should wear a heavy-looking pantsuit in 80-degree-plus heat should be out of a job. Hillary had to leave the memorial service after 90 minutes, and there’s video of her looking really shaken and weak as she’s basically being carried into a car.
At first the explanation was that Hillary was “overheated,” and then her campaign said that she was diagnosed with pneumonia last Friday. Again, I’ve been there. I once had what I thought was seasonal allergies morph into a six-week-long walking pneumonia debacle. And that happened when I was 20 years old and a junior in college. Apparently, Hillary has been put on a rigorous course of antibiotics and she’s canceled some events this week.
Of course this is bad news politically. This is a terrible time within the election cycle to get sick, let alone have to take off for several days on bedrest. There have been calls across the board for Clinton to release more of her medical records, which I think is completely fair. I also think it’s fair that Donald Trump come under the same increased pressure to share his medical records. So far, Trump has only released a one page letter from a “doctor” assuring the world that Trump is in magnificent health – read this if you care about the health of both candidates.
The biggest disappointment here? The fact that after weeks of Birther-esque speculation about Hillary Clinton’s health, the media is now focused entirely on Hillary’s health. Ugh. Get well, HRC.
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I’ll see you one Hillary med report and raise you one Trump tax return.
While I do feel he should release his tax returns, I do not want to see *anyone’s* medical records. I don’t even want to imagine the sexist bullsh*t that would come out of Trump’s mouth after seeing her medical records.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/12/i-dont-want-to-see-hillary-clintons-medical-records-and-neither/
The Telegraph had an interesting take on American’s desire for candidates to release more and more official records of their personal life. 65% at the moment agree with you that medical records should not be made public domain and ableist attitudes it encourages. I had never really thought about it to me it seems like something candidates did. For example, John McCain releasing literally over a thousand pages of his medical history, test performed, test results, the end diagnosis, very mundane of course.
Thinking about it I do see strong counter arguments, one that they didn’t bring up was it could deter politically ambitious people from being honest with their doctors about their mental health or seeking psychtractic help or taking appropriate medications due to stigma. It is like the people that don’t get treatment because they don’t want their company to know they see some type of mental health specialists and/or take medication for psychiatric problems but it is cost prohibitive to receive care without using their medical insurance.
However, I don’t think any decisions she makes should be made out of fear of becoming fodder for Trump. That is giving him a heckler’s veto and more power than he deserves. He is going to attack no matter what and if she doesn’t give him actual information he has shown time and time again he will deal in conspiracies, gossip, and innuendo. Really smart people are talking about it. I don’t know, you tell me. 😉 While she should not supply him with material, she should run the campaign she wants to run and know unfortunately her opponent is going to take the low road every time, and trust the American people to trust the better angels of their nature and make a logical decision they feel best represents their beliefs and interests (both personally and thinking about the country they want to live in, the values that the flag and anthem represent.)
Really? You are more concerned over taxes then the next Presidents health? Nice priorities. They should both be examined by an independent group and that should be the norm.
My concern about demanding the release of private medical records from presidential candidate is that it creates a slippery slope that can undermine everybody else’s medical privacy rights. We have already seen attempts by conservative lawmakers that would allow business to fire women for using birth control – can you imagine what would happen to people with chronic health disorders or neurological disease? I am fine with candidates being vetted for health issues by government organizations in private settings and given a go-ahead early in the primaries, but I don’t believe it’s the right of the public to have that information disclosed.
There’s also the fact that, frankly, the American public knows jack-f*ck-all about the actual details of healthcare and what’s possible with current technology, much less avoid being influenced by false media portrayals about physical and mental health issues. I mean, what exactly is going to be your gold standard for acceptable presidential health? Obviously, somebody with schizophrenia can’t be at the helm, but what about a candidate with a history of transient depression? Obesity? Lower limb paralysis? Positive HIV status? That’s a classification system that could get very ugly and problematic real quick.
“You are more concerned over taxes then the next Presidents health? Nice priorities.”
First, why such a rude tone?
Second, tax returns have been released by every candidate for many decades because where they make their money tells you about possible conflicts of interest. Why would anyone downplay their importance?
How about we see Hillary’s medical reports when Trump releases his psychological reports.
Or Melania’s fully vetted green card application / approval
We are all very naive to think that we will ever know the truth, in any way, about either of these individuals running for the title of president of our country. They will only tell us little people what we “need to know”.
At last! Someone else who’s not drinking either flavor Koolaid.
Very true. Unlike another commenter I don’t think she will falsify them, just carefully redact certain parts of her history and possibly go the McCaine route and bury them in pages of minutiae.
This does not have anything to do with Trump. When Hillary decided that she could not remember many important questions the FBI was asking her, regarding our country’s national security, her health became our business. It’s too bad that Trump is running against Hillary, because it’s clouding our judgment regarding Hilary’s candidacy.
The FBI and everyone else has turned her inside out for years and found no smoking gun. The hate for her in inexplicable. The bottom line is that this woman has been a public servant for decades and has the skills and temperament to run this country during these times. The media’s reaction to her being ill is the lowest of the low. Even after being diagnosed, the woman kept her schedule. Grit – she has it.
Sorry but she didn’t lie during the interviews and went the old can’t remember route – every politician, even good ones, have used this line as have many business leaders, private citizens, etc. Can’t fault her too much since there is SO much bias already that even the most innocent disclosure would put her through the ringer.
At first I was brushing it off but then I saw that video of her fainting and yes that’s scary. Why they didn’t just come out with the pneumonia excuse from the jump is playing right into conspiracies because while it was warm in NYC it wasn’t heat stroke hot. And once that was circulating THEN they release the real reason. There’s just no need for the smoke and mirrors.
Anyways I’m hoping she rests because I’ve had walking pneumonia several times and it can knock you out for a while.
Even if it wasn’t insanely hot, I could see how someone who’s been keeping up her travel schedule might faint or feel sick at some point. But no matter how the Clinton camp chose to disclose or not disclose what was happening, she’s damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t. The conspiracy theories and concern trolling and faux outrage will keep rolling on…and meanwhile Trump continues to get free passes. As if he isn’t “smoke and mirrors” personified.
And pneumonia is no laughing matter. My otherwise fit and healthy teenage son was hospitalized for 10 days with it and almost didn’t make it at one point. It’s the kind of disease where if it begins to go rampant, there’s very little that can stop it and it’s terrifying.
Very true. I just feel like they shoot themselves in the foot for no reason at times. It’s not necessary at all. Esp over something so simple as “she was sick but felt she needed to honor 9/11 victims”. Boom done. Not giving a clearly false excuse like heat exhaustion when it was a perfectly nice day out yesterday.
I don’t want the HRC camp to just get by because trump does with his BS.
My uncle died two years ago from it, because he let it go unchecked for months, he past out and was taken to hospital but his lung was too damaged to be able to do anything for him with antibiotics, so it is pretty serious if you dont catch it on time and take care of youself, hope Hillary does that because your health is more important than anything.
It may have been a nice day in NYC yesterday, but Hillary was also wearing a bullet proof vest under her pantsuit. They are heavy and would contribute to her body heating up. Since Trumps sh*thead fans are always calling for terrible things to happen to her, she has to wear the vest. Its really tragic when you think about it.
Very true.
I’m pregnant and was hospitalized for pneumonia in July and it was debilitating.
A very close family friend died from pneumonia last year and I was shocked, although I realize I shouldn’t have been. I have a very skewed perception on pneumonia, as I’ve had it probably nearing two dozen times in my life and I’m not even thirty yet.
I haven’t had it in the last three years, thank goodness, but the last time I did is the only time I was ever hospitalized for it and that is only because I was pregnant at the time. Every time when I was a kid my doctors kept me at home because they were afraid the germs in the hospital would make me even sicker.
This was a no-win situation however it went. If she announced ahead of time, the media would spin it as “She doesn’t have the stamina to be president!” or “What’s she really hiding?” It was a calculated risk that almost worked. The only reason it didn’t is that she waited about 10 minutes too late to trigger her fail-safe (which was escaping into Chelsea’s house to rest out of the glare of the press). Skip the 9/11 memorial event? Never. That would be political fodder for weeks. I’m sure she thought she could do this one thing then rest for the remainder of the day.
I had walking pneumonia my last semester of college and it made an awful semester even harder. Would not wish that on anybody.
Yeah, that was a serious mis-step on the campaign’s part…they should have just let it out on Friday that she had pneumonia. Then they could have taken control of the narrative, maybe even slowed down all of this “OMG what’s wrong with her?” ridiculousness. I mean, why try to keep it a secret? It’s just feeds all of the whackos who keep seeing conspiracies everywhere.
I say this as a Canadian (who alas can’t vote, lol) and also as someone who really does not want a President Trump: HRC’s camp needs to smarten up.
Yeah, it’s really discouraging and depressing that the Clinton campaign can’t get ahead of the inevitable spin that the haters manage to scream from the proverbial rooftops time after time after time.
I’m one that’s on the fence with telling the press if she has pneumonia. I look at it as she was given antibiotics for her dr, and why is that our concern. Just trying to put a different spin to this. It became a concern when she pushed herself too hard to keep her schedule. Donald is on the horn yelling about “full disclosure”. Look at Trumps dr’s. report, To whom it concern… Nonsense. Not showing his taxes, ect.
I’m pretty damn frustrated at her and her campaign. The cold hard fact is that she is not feeling well and will stumble – it’s not the first time so the campaign should stop sticking their head in the sand UNTIL the video or photo comes out with some horrible clip. Disclose something proactively even if it is more serious it can still be spun – FDR & JFK were ill and I’s still take a physically ill Hillary over Trump any day of the week.
She has fallen into the same trap that the other Republican candidates fell into – reactive, trying to put out the fire mode. I’ve seen people saying that yesterday’s video is the death knell to her campaign and I’m really beginning to think it is. I wish they’d stop running a campaign out of the 80’s/90’s!
Why would someone have a press release about taking an antibiotic?!? She has a very treatable and common illness. People dealing with press may not even known about it, she got the prescription and started taking it Friday and obviously felt ok enough on Sunday to attend the event. Her doctor’s signed statement clearly says the problem was that she was overheated and dehydrated but recovered quickly. The antibiotic is working for the lung infection. Hillary thought it was just a bad allergic cough but went to the doc for follow up, not because she was deathly ill. Her doctor didn’t tell her to stay home but would have if it was needed. I’ve worked when taking an antibiotic myself.
It made sense for her to give more details and a doctor’s statement later only because people were concerned about that video. But if she had just stayed until the end without incident, there would have been no reason to even mention it. Her people should start sitting on her to make her sit still occasionally– she’s a workaholic from way back. But this really is not intrinsically anything worth “revealing” to the voters or the media. She’s not a Kardashian. And since when is waiting 90 minutes to explain it (probably went to see her doc) hiding something? There was no need to know instantly. The media is hyping this into something it’s not simply because Trump and his friends have been trying to plant the idea that there is something horribly wrong with Hillary’s health for a while now. What’s wrong is that she has a brain and knows how to use it…
Yeah but imagine the headlines…Hillary, too sick to honour the fallen and the nation. 9/11 not important to her.
She had no choice but attend in reality
Jane16 – I didn’t know about that but it makes perfect sense. tx
I hope she gets well soon.
I think you are likely correct, Kaiser: the potential problem here almost certainly isn’t Hillary’s actual health, it is the control of the narrative about her health. It’ll have to be full transparency and no mealy-mouthing from her people. The mealy-mouthing and piecemeal releasing of information isn’t helping at all.
BTW – my mother used to have terrible problems around overheating. It’s not just a menopause thing. She was flashing and getting faint all over the place before menopause, during menopause and after menopause. I think a great deal of women are like that anyway and it’s bound to be exacerbated if you’ve got a chest infection buggering up your oxygen levels. If this is what it is, it is not a fit-for-the-presidency issue at all. It’s just a pain in the rear end for the person concerned.
@Sixer: I feel for your mum, because I’m the same way. I don’t sweat (just a teeny bit behind my knees and under my boobs-ick), so I overheat ridiculously easily. My body just has no way to cool itself down. When I’m in great shape I can still pass out from heat stroke, but if I’m even the slightest bit ill it’s awful. I also have super low blood pressure, which makes it worse.
Last summer I had pneumonia for the 2nd time (in 16 months), and I could barely function-literally. It took me over a month to recover the 2nd time, and I could barely walk from my bed to the bathroom without blacking out for much of that time. It’s scary how quickly one can go from just having a bit of a cold to being frightened you could die. I’ve always been a pretty healthy gal and not much of a germaphobe, but now I’m always paranoid that I’ll get pneumonia again. I really feel for HRC & hope she’s been well taken care of!
Scarlet – Hillary has the same problem you have, she doesn’t sweat much. So she also can be prone to overheating.
Where was Donald Trump during yesterday’s Day of Rememberance? Where is the media scrutiny about his tax records, let alone his medical records (he’s older than Hillary anyway). This whole thing just makes me roll my eyes. She’s sick and it’s hot outside.
Yeah there’s also a tape of him bragging the day of 9/11 about how he had the highest building in lower Manhattan since the towers are gone.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/09/11/listen_to_trump_brag_on_9_11_that_his_building_was_now_the_tallest.html
Wasn’t Trump at the same event as Clinton? As far as Trump’s medical records go, do you see him on video nearly collapsing from 78-degree weather? Nope. Clinton most likely has something seriously wrong with her.
I fainted on a morning commuter train when I was 20 because it was overcrowded and warm. Fainting does not automatically mean something is seriously wrong
Please. And as far as Trump’s medical records go, all we have is a “note” from he doctor saying that Trump is the healthiest candidate ever to run for office. Very professional, lol.
Trump has a heart of ice and a soft breeze between his ears. I think you could send him to hell and he would be fine.
@ Kay
I guarantee if Trump had pnemonia he’d have nearly passed out yesterday in those circumstances also. I think BOTH candidates need to release complete health records & tax records. Just as the past candidates have.
1. if you have ever had pnemonia you would know it can & will knock you on your behind no matter what age. I used to work 70-80 hrs a week & tried to push thru not realizing I had pnemonia & literally almost killed myself.
2. antibiotics when first taken to combat an illness can be as bad to your system as the disease. They can & will mess w/ your hormones & metabolism so yes one can overheat or freeze.,
3. It was mid 80’s in NYC.. She’s in a heavy long sleeve pantsuit, a blouse, and I guarantee you she’s wearing a heavy Bullet proof vest. I was married to a cop before, those vests can wipe you out in heat if your healthy…imagine wearing one w/pnemonia & your lungs are filled w/ crude. Talk about not getting your breath)!
George W. Bush fainted when he was president and I think he threw up on the Japanese PM. People get sick. If not fainting is a prerequisite for being president, then we’re in trouble.
It wasn’t in the mid 80’s during the Memorial. It was around 70 degrees when she left. Pneumonia can pack a whallop, though, and is not always diagnosed until something like this happens. I can totally believe that this incident was due to pneumonia. The first statement saying she “overheated” was probably based on what she told people – she felt hot. She had a fever.
@H – It was George H.W. Bush (W’s father) who threw up on the Japanese PM. W had choked on a pretzel and passed out.
Trump’s health is concerning because the only information he has released so far has been the thoughtless riffing of a doctor under pressure from his campaign. He tested positive for everything, apparently. Very troubling.
Hillary wears a Kevlar vest at these types of events. They are heavy and do not “breathe” hence overheating.
Trump’s doctor also stated during an interview that Eisenhower had polio. I wouldn’t trust anything from that guy.
I fainted last year because I had just donated plasma and did not drink enough water afterwards and got slight heat stroke. I am in my early 20’s. It happens.
DT was at the the same event. You know I agree. I don’t know why the press is letting him get away with not releasing his tax records and from what I have heard / read his health records (doctors note) is ridiculous.
I thought the candidates were supposed to release records and a have panel of doctors review and then they determine if there are any red flags.
The problem is it is just precedent. No law compells them to disclose it publicly. But Obama and McCaine I know released thousands of mostly standard medical treatments and tests results.
Yeah, zero scrutiny for Donald. The media is really starting to tick me off with the fact that they’re treating Hillary like some suspected serial killer and Donald like he’s not even a candidate.
It’s ludicrous. I’ve lost so much respect for some of my favorite people.
Luca76, Trump’s reaction to the fall of the WTC was extraordinary and revolting, further proof, if any were needed, that the man is totally unfit for office. Get well soon Hillary and kick his ar@se. Not just for the USA, but for sensible people in other countries too.
Clinton is her own worst enemy. Just like Bill is his own worst enemy. She just gave credence to the InfoWars of the world by hiding what was wrong and then having it blow up in her face. This race is about to get very very tight. Demographics and math should still carry the day but geez what a debacle, that this reality show buffoon is remotely competitive.
So true and I’m really angry about it – if she were up against any other candidate I wouldn’t care but seriously she just handed him the lead. AND how do we think the debates will go now? You don’t think he will badger her about her health? And will she even be healthy enough to debate. Seriously if I could leave the US I would !
I agree if it was any other candidate I would say what will be will be, but the fact that if Hillary looses and that big orange buffoon wins, it will be horrifying to have to listen and watch him for four years make a mockery of everything and who knows what he will do. Its just plain scary, I dont trust him one bit.
The sky is not falling. She has pneumonia, the dr gave her antibiotics, she should be feeling better in a few days if she follows Drs orders by resting, and taking her medications. As you know, people get sick everyday and try to power through by going to work when they should have stayed home. I bet when she will be at the debates with bells on and will clean his clock with her superior knowledge. The news cycle has to be fed 24/7 so they are making a big thing about something that can easily be dealt with by resting and and complying with her Meds. Btw, if she was more sick than she is, I’m positive her doctor would have hospitalized her on Friday.
Just heard on cable news that now trump want no moderator at the debate on the 26. He wants just he and Hillary sitting talking. I guess he is afraid she is too much for him to debate.
Not sure about you but the coverage I’ve seen is the equivalent of her campaign on fire or better yet this seems like the clip of Romney exclaiming about the 47%. She is now forced to release more medical documents and trying to spin this entire situation – her campaign looks incompetent too with the she’s just overheated statement.
Clinton is her own worst enemy, so true in this case. Kudos to Kaiser for the fair and balanced description of the situation. Still, I will vote for Hillary’s corpse if I have to. Bill can go in and get her signature like Woodrow Wilson’s wife used to do.
This really has me worried about her chances. I think this really taps into people’s fear that their candidate is not up for the task. I find myself repeating my mantra even more now: O lord, please don’t let Trump become president.
From your lips to God’s ears!
Yes, this is scary to me. Please, God, dont let Trump become President.
At least there is a plan in place for a President who is no longer physically able to carry out the duties of the office. There isn’t one for someone mentally unfit (unchecked narcissism, lack of understanding of and preparedness for the role, fragile ego, inability to take the high road much less be diplomatic, reactionary, ect) he could start A LOT of problems before something goes so disastrously wrong that it is an impeachable offense. Plus, the man who would take over is just quieter, different flavor of crazy.
releasing medical records is nonsense. they are all faked anyway. Trump is the healthiest guy ever and Hillarys report will say that she should have dropped out and instead should have humiliated Michael Phelps at the Olympics.
What?
Trump’s letter was unprofessional and widely mocked. However, falsifying medical records is a felony. But could be redacted since she isn’t being legal compelled to provide them.
Problems with Trumps letter:
1. The header has a non working web address and doctors don’t include e-mail addresses in these types of letters. If they do, they use something more secure than GMail for medical correspondence. Also, the header lists a doctor who passed away in 2010.
2. Lenox Hill has a Division of Gastroenterology not a Section and Dr. Bornstein isn’t listed on their website as member.
Although his doctor is affiliated with Lenox Hill many hospitals allow doctors to have admitting privileges and not be department or division members. He also uses ‘Section’ instead of ‘Division’, the terminology used by the hospital. It is also very odd for a doctor in a private practice to use their admitting privileges address under their signature if it is not the same as their practice address.
3. The letter starts with a typo.
It begins with “To Whom My Concern” in a letter released to the national press and it could potentially end up in a Presidential Library. It would be worth proof reading.
4. No doctor describes tests as “only positive results” or “astonishingly excellent.”
“Only positive results” is gibberish. Some tests are good if they are positive and some are bad if they are positive. Some results are just not binary.
What are “astonishingly excellent” laboratory test results? I’m a doctor and I don’t know. Is it astonishing that a 70 year old man has normal results? Are his results all exactly average which is good – but wait, I thought his tests are all positive?
And while we’re at it doctors just don’t say “laboratory test results” that sounds like something on a soap opera.
5. Doctors don’t say “test score” we just give the results
“His PSA test score is 0.15 (very low)”
The conventional way to reference PSA would be PSA 0.81 ng/ml (normal < 4 ng/ml).
6. How did Dr. Bornstein test Donald Trump’s strength and stamina?
Did he have him bench press in the office? Do a treadmill test? Doctor’s just don’t typically write vague, quasi-medical things in letters. I’ve also never heard of a stamina test.
An internist might test muscle strength as part of a physical exam, but the results are graded 0-5 and 5 is not secret code for extraordinary it’s code for normal.
7. “The healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency.”
Every news site has pointed out how ridiculous this is. Dr. Bornstein is not a medical historian who runs a Presidential health archives and obviously Washington and Lincoln never had their PSA checked for comparison.
8. There is no useful health information.
Someone with Parkinson’s or Alzheimer’s could have a normal blood pressure, normal PSA, take 81 mg aspirin and be on a “low dose” (we don’t know the exact dose or type) statin. So could someone with diabetes or someone who had a heart stent placed last year or who had a stroke four years ago.
From: https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2016/08/16/im-a-doctor-these-are-the-things-i-find-concerning-with-trumps-medical-letter/
A good blog about health and politics
Great post Lindsay. I have been involved in the regulation of the medical profession and that whole episode seemed very shady, and reflected poorly on the doctor concerned.
Thanks for the additional info Lindsay. The Dr looked like he was out of his mind and that was all I needed to see. I’m convinced Trump wrote the letter himself.
@Lindsay….. I believe the doctor said he literally wrote it in 5minutes while a black car with Trumps people in it was waiting outside to collect it. I wonder if there was also someone holding a gun to his head for those 5minutes
Sherry- For me, allergic to tree pollen, grass pollen, and weed pollen, the allergy season extends from March thru October… Then there’s mold any ol’ time that makes my trachea swell. I get so much mucus in my stomach. especially this time of year, that I can quite suddenly upchuck (feel fine afterward). You should hear my coughing fits in years past. Never went out without pockets stuffed with Ricola. Several years in a row, I got laryngitis so bad I sounded half dead when I tried to talk. But otherwise I was feeling fine and worked a full schedule. Coughing when you have allergies is just normal even if you take antihistamines. It just sounds awful to other people.
My guess is that Hillary’s cough started with allergies but ended up as a lung infection when she was exposed. The non-infective allergic inflammation may have made her more susceptible. When I started taking a lot of anti-inflammatory supplements to try to deal with sciatica followed by other lovely nerve inflammation issues, I was surprised to see my respiratory tract settle down so much that I wasn’t getting congested significantly and wasn’t coughing much. This lasted through two seasons – the third season on a smaller set of those supplements, I have some congestion but nothing compared to my allergic normal in previous years. I better start swallowing more pills….
This Is bad. I know I’m gonna be yelled at but the Dem pushing her was a big mistake. There’s no such things as “someone’s turn” in politics. But what is done is done. Good luck to her.
The alternative now is unthinkable, but I keep thinking Joe Biden must be feeling something right now. I know he was grieving, I know he had his reasons, but if he’d stepped up, then this battle would be completely different. And there is so much at stake with Trump slithering ever closer to the White House and the press caring more about rating than ethics and doing their bloody job.
Some people just will not vote for Hillary no matter what, and she does herself no favours with this cloak and dagger bs.
Yes to Joe Biden. I think Bernie Sanders (as much as I admire some of his policies) was also barely vetted and it would have been a disaster if he was running against Trump. But Biden is a white man and he’s sarcastic as hell so he’d have a much easier time with Trump and with the press. Hilary has been raked over the coals by the press. Some of its her secretive nature and some of its the blatant sexism of the press and some of its the desperation to have a horse race narrative by CNN etc.
Another YES to Biden. I love that man. Watching that video yesterday made me think Hillary had had a stroke, because she couldn’t take one step in front of the other before nearly collapsing. Before I heard the pneumonia diagnosis, I was wondering if there was some way Biden could step in if something was seriously wrong w/ Hillary.
Hillary is a strong, highly intelligent, and capable woman, and I wish her a speedy recovery.
There’s more to this than they’re letting on. She’s had these coughing fits before and not just in the last couple of weeks. CNN is reporting that while the Secret Service say they helped her into the van, police on the scene say they “threw her in like a side of beef.” They’ve gone from allergies, to overheated to pneumonia in a 24 hour period. If she just had pneumonia, why not just say so from the get go?
Regardless of her schedule, the presidency is a very stressful job. Look at how it ages those in office. I would feel better if she stepped down and let Kaine or Biden take over, because it appears something is just not right with her health and her campaign is covering for her.
Sherry, “coughing fits for weeks” sound like a lead up to pneumonia. This impulse to find a conspiracy in everything is tiresome.
@Esmom – Then why didn’t they just come out from the beginning and say, “She’s got pneumonia and is being treated with antibiotics”? Why go from saying it’s allergies to she got overheated to finally, pneumonia?
I’m not a conspiracy person, but you have to wonder why they didn’t just say it from the beginning. There’s no shame in having pneumonia.
When HRC was originally diagnosed with pneumonia, the campaign should have released a statement stating that. However, this just looks like another cover-up by a candidate that has incredibly low trustfulness scores. They just keep on making the same mistake.
sherry, the scrutiny of her health has been intense.
while I agree that, when she was diagnosed on Friday, her campaign should have said something then, do you REALLY not understand why they kept this from the public/press?
no, there is no shame, but you can bet Drumpf’s campaign and the rest of the GOP talking heads would have shamed her.
Tough woman gets sick and tries to work through it; men get confused.
This is much to do about nothing. Hillary got sick, thought she could work through it, it ended up being too much and now she needs some time to rest. I don’t understand the big deal. Did we expect her to release a statement every time she gets the sniffles? It’s none of our business that she has pneumonia. They probably should have come out sooner to say she was sick, but they didn’t and it made them look a little dumb. No big deal. Move on.
Jeez….
Those almost 16 million of us who voted for the career-long Democrat? I guess I’m part of the machine.
It always makes me giggle whenever people talk about how it was Hillary’s “turn” and that’s why she’s the nominee. People forget about primaries. And votes. And how she got a lot more of them. Silly people.
It’s really insulting the way it dismisses the votes of millions of people.
I am appalled at the idea that if a person gets sick during the calendar year that they are running for president, it means they are unelectable.
She has pneumonia, and yet she was still going to functions and powering through. I think this speaks more to her strength and work ethic than it does some kind of “fatal flaw”.
There is something kind of sexist about the way she is being treated as a delicate flower because she got sick. It can happen to anyone.
“She has pneumonia, and yet she was still going to functions and powering through. I think this speaks more to her strength and work ethic than it does some kind of “fatal flaw”.”
Exactly, Tiffany. If it were Trump, I’m sure his supporters would be admiring his ability to power through.
Thank you Melly. She may be able to turn this into a positive. If she uses it to say “look I had pneumonia and still tried my best to work. That’s what women do every day. That’s what single parents do every day. That’s what people barely making ends meet do every day. This is why we need paid sick leave and why we need some relief for parents who have sick children.”
@Lama Bean
You need to contact the Hillary Clinton campaign and send them this! That’s exactly right. I hope she says something like that during the debates if it’s brought up.
….the first time repubs give a shit about a woman’s health
Amen!
Ha! Accurate burn!
Seriously! Although it’s hard to know whether to laugh or cry.
This! Control trolling at its worst.
Spot on!
LOL Perfect comment is perfect. Might even steal it with your permission…
As if all Republicans are male and don’t care about their wives, their children and their mothers..
The way they vote… no, they don’t care!
You are right, it’s an absurd comment.
I guess a few people on here have trouble understanding the idea of exaggeration ==> meme. are you not familiar with how the internet works?…
while I’m sure there are republicans who care about the health of women IN THEIR FAMILY, the way the GOP votes, in general, would indicate that they don’t care about the health of ALL women as part of their constituency.
and the record supports that (missed the move to defund PP, did you?). but, by all means, act outraged, clutch your pearls, and make like you have no sense of humor.
WOW! Best comment ever! Well done. I might have to use that later today!
Whoo hoo!
Maybe this will start some fire but it won’t change the voting dynamic.
People are so strongly divided, it won’t make a difference on each side. Those that vote Hillary will continue doing so (even more scared by the amateur hour press that is not handling Trump at all and by Trump’s own incompetence), those that vote Trump will continue doing so (with even more arguments that women are weak and shouldn’t run for president). And the undecided will just stay that way because no one convinced them otherwise (I doubt they will vote for Trump because Hillary got sick).
Of course, the video shows a pretty weak Hillary but beside the element of sick spectacle it will have no real impact on IMO.
At least she didn’t vomit on a foreign official like George did… I think that was him, in Japan? He was President at the time. President Ford was always falling or close to it, just like Chevy Chase, if I’m remembering right. Some accident happened to George that was a tad embarrassing but I can’t remember at the moment.
George W choked on a pretzel. Supposedly.
Bush the Younger “choked on a pretzel” and fell and hit his head.
at least, that was the official story. the rumor is that he was drunk and fell.
ETA: oh, Esmom and I posted at the same time…
The choking on a pretzel incident, probably.
My favorite part of the pretzel story was that his wife basically ignored him.
On SNL, I remember Dana Carvey’s impression of Bush Sr. puking and fainting in Japan. It cracked me up as a kid!
– George W. Bush choked on a pretzel and passed out.
– George H.W. Bush got sick at a diplomatic dinner and vomited on the Japanese prime minister.
– Richard Nixon contracted a staph infection on the campaign trail in 1960 and had to be hospitalized.
– John F. Kennedy hid Addison’s disease from the public.
– Dwight Eisenhower had a heart attack while president.
– Franklin Roosevelt hid the fact he had polio and couldn’t walk without significant help.
– Woodrow Wilson suffered a stroke.
Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton is working the campaign trail with pneumonia – the same ailment one of my colleagues is suffering that she treated with 2 days of bed rest and antibiotics. Clinton’s problem is that in trying to downplay it her team fed into ‘alt-right’ rumours that she’s unwell. Yet not as unwell as many, many men who successfully sought the presidency before her. Give me a g-d-m break.
I disagree – there are still a lot of undecided people out there (whether democrats, republicans or independents) and this will tip it in his favor. That and a pretty good week of campaigning.
Did you hear him boasting on 9/11 that he now had the tallest building in NY because the WTC had been flattened? On the day of the worst attack on US soil for god knows how long, that’s what he thought was appropriate? I thought Americans had respect for the 9/11 victims. Is that the person you want as your President?
Your confusing me as a Trump supporter – he is this country’s worst nightmare but that doesn’t mean I can’t be critical of Hillary. She blew it – she no longer controls the narrative and has fed right into Brietbart’s strategy. That’s on her – not her campaign people. She calculated that the press didn’t need to know about her condition and lost. Actually we all lost because she may have very well handed the lead to Trump.
She calculated that she could get through a 2 hour memorial service since she was on antibiotics and antihistamines and had stopped coughing. And she almost did, but pulled the fire alarm on her escape strategy a few minutes too late. Had she decided 15 minutes earlier, no one would have known the wiser.
At this point she should just let Obama campaign for her until she gets better. She should release her medical records, rest and move on
The problem is that the longer she stays away the deeper Trumps “fragile old granny” narrative sinks. Even at her best, she isnt great at rallying the crowds but she still has to make a show of it, soon and frequently at that.
@ Naya: I just don’t think it is a real problem here.
Hillary’s narrative is for her own voters, Trump speaks for his. Do you think a Hillary voter will suddenly ignore Trump’s incompetence and jump ship because she was a bit dizzy?
Part of what makes this campaign so difficult is that people are expressing extremely divided and aggressive beliefs. No one is willing to budge. This video won’t make people budge one way or another, they have made up their minds.
Maybe the undecided group have questions about Hillary but as long as Trump does not make a 180 and shows the world how coherent, intelligent and competent he is, they won’t budge either. Hillary, on the other hand, still has time to win some votes apart from the ones that are already hers and maybe she could use what happened in her favor. Either way, I don’t see what the big deal is with this video, except of course, for republican frenzy.
als I agree. I think a lot of people would take Hillary on her deathbed over Trump.
@als — Demographics and math still are in Clinton’s favor, but the third party candidates are problematic. As is the fact that people will just stay home and not vote. She should be leading by more than she is, but because she is such a terrible candidate and the Clintons have been around for so so long, people just cannot bring themselves to vote for her and those on the fence don’t need much to push them to — well, I’ll just stay home.
Also, I agree Kaine needs to be front and center from now until the end of the election. And he really really needs to do well in the debate.
People think Jill Stein is a lunatic and Gary Johnson got caught with the “what is Aleppo” question last week.
No but it is a great time for her VP pick to make a name for himself and demonstrate why he would be an asset to the White House. Obama won’t be part of her administration.
I hope he’ll be part of SCOTUS.
Me too (he still wouldn’t be part of her administration)! As much as I like Joe Biden I think Dr. Biden is even more amazing and will miss her. She seems happy teaching community college so I know we will lose her too!
W should have taught us the VP and the other people that have the President’s ear matter a lot! Some of John McCain’s undoing was his VP pick. I think between his age, the way he has physically aged, his previous cancer battles made people think OMG what if SHE were in charge.
Susanne Yes! I’m all for President Obama getting a seat on SCOTUS post-presidency.
As a non-American, please explain this “release medical records” thing to me. Like do they only release certain things or do they have to release EVERYTHING?!? Like do they have to show the world every time they went to the doctor for a yeast infection, hemorrhoid issue, colonoscopy, etc.
If so, I could certainly see why a candidate wouldn’t be eager to give people fodder for cruel jokes.
What a sin – a woman has pneumonia and she then has to be automatically excluded from the race.
The double standard just gets worse and worse in this race both from the public and the press.
The press should be ashamed for giving up their integrity, journalism etc for being nice to the racist Trump and then play hardball against Clinton.
But I got to say that I was exstremely happy when Clinton finally called Trump supports racist, xenophobic, homophobic etc in public.
His supports are all of that and more and it’s about time people said it out lot.
I don’t get it, personally. I don’t understand why the health thing is THAT important. The woman had pneumonia and STILL showed up at an important event. I think that’s what matters here – when she’s sick, she still does her best to show up where she’s expected to show up. It’s a shame that the push is that she’s so unhealthy and so frail.
Everyone gets sick. Some people get a sniffle and the world is ending. Other people have pneumonia and push themselves to the point where they collapse. It’s not like pneumonia is a lifelong disease that is going to make her weaker and weaker by the day with no hope of health returning.
Honestly, I feel like most of the outrage is coming from men. Most women (those with careers and those with children) tend to try to work though illness. Men are generally huge babies about being sick, women tend to tough it out. I know i’m painting with a broad brush, but that’s just my experience.
“when she’s sick, she still does her best to show up where she’s expected to show up. ”
Exactly.
I developed pnuemonia last year after having the flu. My husband had it first and was getting better when i developed pnuemonia. I had an inhaler, antibiotics. Guess who still got the kids up, packed lunches and got the kids to the bus and then collapsed back to bed. Women don’t have the luxury of being sick. She was toughing it out like we do.
And quite frankly, we have a VP for a reason and I’ll still take Clinton/Kaine over Trump/Pence any day.
Some consider it evidence of poor judgment. When ill, why not say so, rest for a couple of days & come back in fine form? Trying to fake it through in order to garner more publicity before flying to California for the scheduled fundraiser with big donors isn’t smart. Let the veep candidate show up for something. Properly disclosing an easily treatable, temporary illness reflects consideration for long-term well being. That’s what we want our gov’t leaders will do for the country.
Even if Trump did get elected, which I doubt, they could probably impeach him pretty quickly to get rid of him. He displays enough signs of mental problems that is shouldn’t be too hard.
@Taxi
Hillary was just doing what most women do when they are sick, toughing it out and getting the job done. Would it have been more convenient for her to relax? Of course, but that isn’t her style. She is a work horse and she doesn’t let a little thing like pneumonia get her down. Also, if she did take some time off to relax, Trump would jump all over that to say she’s weak. He criticizes her all the time for that exact thing. I don’t understand the “disclosing” argument. She doesn’t have a terminal illness, it’s just pneumonia. She doesn’t need to send out a press release for it. Your Trump impeachment logic is a bit cray. It is NOT easy to impeach a president. A President Trump would of had to do some serious damage to even get impeachment hearings started. And if we assume that Trump wins the presidency we can also assume that the republicans still hold a majority in the house and senate (people tend to vote same party for president, senate, house, etc.) and the republicans would do everything in their power to prevent their guy getting impeached.
How about instead of voting for the guy who “displays enough signs of mental problems” we vote for the lady who works hard and knows what she’s talking about. I want the lady who gets pneumonia and still knows she has a job to do. I’m with her.
“Some consider it evidence of poor judgment.”
I consider it evidence that, like most women, she wanted to work regardless of how ill she was. evidence that she’ll work hard as Prez, and not go on vacation every 4-6 weeks like Dubya. evidence that she’ll put the well-being of her country and constituents above her own.
and, as Melly said, if she HAD taken a couple of days off, that would have given credence to the “but she’s old/sick/weak!” narrative Drumpf and his Deplorables are throwing out there.
I don’t think the problem is that she go sick but she’s just added more fire to the untrustworthy label. She, because ultimately it’s not her campaign, has been coming up with excuse after excuse for her health issues and it just looks bad. While it’s been damned if you do/damned if you don’t for a while she’s pushed herself into a very bad corner.
She didn’t lie. She just didn’t announce to the world that she had a lung infection very treatable by antibiotics. Her doctor didn’t tell her to stay in bed. The media had to wait a whole 90 minutes to find out about the infection after she left the event, but her own doctor said the incident was due to overheating and dehydration and that she quickly recovered. She had said it was overheating herself because that’s what it felt like. So nobody lied about that either. She also said before that she had allergies and that was the initial origin of the cough. Her doctor confirmed that also. No lie.
So basically the media are ticked that Hillary didn’t invite the cameras to follow her into the examining room Friday….
My American friend claimed on FB today that Clinton has advanced Parkinson’s and that they have been using a Hilary double since her collapse.
What the what? Have I fallen down the rabbithole into an Ian Fleming novel? What is going on over in your country American friends? 😱
As someone that actually has PD, that new claim really irritates me. Some idiot dr even claims he spoke with several Dr’s and has a video explaining PD and its all facts she has it..Bull Crap! PD is hard to diagnosis and there are several physical tests (and MRI’s). It is a diagnosis that if one is lucky takes months to diagnose and if unlucky (me) can take years. These idiots claiming she has PD w/o ever haven examined her have just put all the stereotypes regarding the disease back up. There goes all the hard work MJF & advocates/patients such as myself have done the last 30 years to tear down those stereotypes. Having PD does not mean one can’t do the job & we don’t have seizures. I have many friends w/ PD still working government & classified jobs. I worked for the government til my health took over.. Got me it was my lungs & another set of illnesses that are far worse that did my career in.
I think there are some on the DT train that have seemed to have lost all sense of reality or common sense & decency. I will be so glad when this election is over. I wish we could have Obama another 4yrs and scratch this round.
My grandmother died after being sick for 7 years and the doctors “thought” she had Parkinson’s. It’s notoriously hard to diagnose.
@ Santia
I am sorry your grandmother had this illness & has passed away. My deepest sympathy to you & your family.
PD itself is not a fatal illness. It is Complications from other situations PD brings on that can. Usually having to do with the airways or pnemonia from food getting into lungs continuously. If PD is onset in the later stages of ones life that is what can happen. Though now a days they will start the patient on feeding tubes as soon as needed to avoid complications if possible. It can happen to early on set PD, but in later years. We do not normally progress as those that are elderly do. I am 51 and was diagnosed when I was 32, but had it several yrs (I had numerous auto immune illnesses that made it hard to diagnose also).
GreenEyes, I am also frustrated over the PD claims (first Bill, now HRC). My father started going to a neurologist when he retired, due to a slight tremor and a couple of other symptoms. It took several years before they were certain he had PD. It’s trial and error via meds and evaluating symptoms.
I did not realize they were claiming ‘later stages’, which is more ridiculous.
My best to you, and thanks for spreading awareness.
Omg, that is ridiculous.
Many Americans are saying this is Parkinson’s Disease as well, including some prominent doctors. A google search will show you several videos and sites that give evidence to these symptoms.
You don’t have to be a Trump supporter to question the secrecy around Hillary’s health incidents, I wish her well and hope she can get some rest.
oh, yeah?…”many Americans” who aren’t doctors, and “prominent doctors” that aren’t treating her? which ones?
Dr. Drew claimed it. HLN cancelled his show afterwards. That was a bit odd in my opinion because he has been “diagnosing from a distance” for quite awhile now. If you made a list of his unethical behavior this would not make the top ten.
Dr. Oz is sitting down with Trump this week to discuss both candidates health. So he is willing to entertain the rumors for ratings.
There is “evidence” on Reddit I do not care to sift through: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/52b73g/hillary_clinton_parkinsons_disease_evidences/
Newspapers and online news sites have written about it citing doctors so that could account for the “many Americans” and “prominent doctors.” It has definitely become a thing.
It is funny how his supporters have picked up his “Many smart people, the brightest people are talking about X. Is X true? I don’t know. I’m just repeating what really great, smart people have said to me….”
This doctor talks about the “episode” and says it is not a big deal: https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2016/09/11/hillary-clinton-almost-fainted-im-a-doctor-its-really-o-k/ and gives sound reasons using Hillary’s records.
“It is funny how his supporters have picked up his “Many smart people, the brightest people are talking about X. Is X true? I don’t know. I’m just repeating what really great, smart people have said to me….” ”
yeah, I’ve noticed that too. it makes them easy to spot, even with the “but I’m a Bernie supporter!” faux disclaimer.
Who needs neurologists when there are videos to diagnose. My dad and many others must have wasted their time and money going to highly qualified doctors and clinics to be diagnosed over the course of YEARS. Many diseases have similar initial symptoms. And being lightheaded matches up to dozens of possible causes, many being rather benign.
If I had a camera following me most days, I’d probably be accused of having some devastating illness as well. I think a lot of us would, under this type of OTT scrutiny.
Hi, gigi. I’m a neurology professor. My colleagues *are* the top neurologists in the world. I have no earthly idea what you are talking about (and I doubt you do either).
Very surprised that Trump and his supporters didn’t respond with, “Die, bitch!” because you know that’s what they’re really thinking and wishing. He is absolutely irredeemable. I’d like to see him deported after he loses the election. What a disgraceful episode in our history. Get well, Hillary. Don’t let the bastards get you down.
Anybody can get pneumonia at any age, including quite vigorous young people. It’s not really a clear indicator of anything except exposure. Omigosh, poor Matt and Donald will get it next! They were breathing the same air!
She obviously was under treatment for it and didn’t feel the need to skip the event so she most likely was responding well. She didn’t look sick at the CiC thing so I can believe any diagnosis was very recent. She doesn’t owe us a blow by blow. She also can certainly also have pollen/mold allergies kicking in this time of year, so she definitely could have been coughing earlier due to that. The allergies could make her more susceptible, but basically she is exposed to a lot of people. Germophobic Donald is probably more protected, actually.
Exactly this. I think it speaks volumes about her work ethic that she tried to work through pneumonia. I want that kind of work ethic in the White House.
Remember when George H.W. Bush vomited on the Prime Minister of Japan? He became sort of a laughingstock but I don’t think people seriously questioned his fitness for office the way people are doing with Hillary. The concern trolling, the outrage, the double standard…all seriously insane.
But that was a single incident and the guy’s still alive in his 90s.
It’s worrisome when the incidents with Hillary add up over the recent years: falls, concussion, fainting, severe coughing spells.
We really do have the right to feel secure that our candidate is not too fragile to handle this position. It’s just basic.
(And I’m not a Trump supporter)
Gerald Ford used to fall so much that Chevy Chase turned it into a bit on SNL. But no one ever questioned his fitness to hold office.
Are you sure you’re not a Trump supporter? Too fragile and too delicate are things said to disparage women. Women are too fragile to handle certain jobs. Would you worry about Trump being too fragile to be president? What you’ve said is insulting.
“It’s worrisome when the incidents with Hillary add up over the recent years: falls, concussion, fainting, severe coughing spells.
“Worrisome.” Hillary’s “medical issues” that you outline read like a very typical list of someone in her 60s. Although I don’t think she has had severe coughing spells but nice try. So then what do you suggest — that Trump is a better alternative simply because of your concerns about her health? And what do you know about Trump’s health history that leads you think there’s nothing “worrisome” there? Smdh.
I have severe coughing spells. It is called asthma. Millions of us have it and go to work every day.
I don’t know – I had a concussion at 6 because I hit my head on the monkey bars at lunch. I’ve broken bones, I’ve slipped discs in my back… I have fibromyalgia. I’m only 26. I guess I must be on my death bed as well.
Diamondgirl, if we’re talking about candidates being too fragile… Trump’s ego is too fragile for the White House. The world could END because of that fragile man’s fragile ego.
The incidents aren’t that worrying and we’ve had Presidents with worse health BUT she has handled the narrative badly. Yes, Hillary those nifty little things people use to talk to other people with actually take pictures and videos too!
I am SO angry that we may end up with a President Trump.
The fainting, fall, concussion were all a part of 1 health incident.
Coughing spells can happen to someone who has a chest cold.
These are not serious health concerns.
Oh good grief. Concussions ARE serious health concerns, and there were plenty of people back in the day who questioned Ford’s fitness for office.
REPEATED concussions are a serious health concern but a one-time concussion if treated with appropriate rest etc. – as happened with Clinton – can remain just that, a one-time event. Gerald Ford turned out to be a healthy guy; what many of us questioned was that he pardoned Nixon.
Um, “falls, concussion, fainting spells” refers to a single incident a few years ago. She was dehydrated, fainted, fell and hit her head and had a concussion. She obviously needs to carry around a water bottle, but other than that – she’s fine.
Hi, physician here. These are all isolated incidents and don’t add up to anything.
Reagan was practically senile in his second term. Much of his presidency was run by senior staffers and Nancys astrologists and yet his party raves about his sh*tty eight years as though he were the second Christ.
Yeah Reagan clearly had Alzheimer’s while in office anyone whose seen his Iran-Contra testimony where he answered I don’t remember and is genuinely confused can see that.
This was also the first thing I thought. Reagan was hanging by a thread and they will never admit it.
I think you can just omit the “practically.” And still they propped him up, which is why I wonder if some of this right wing health obsession with Hillary is guilt.
My late husband had Alzheimer’s and it’s not a disease that suddenly pops up after you’ve left office. I suspect that it had already started in his first term and became noticable during his second term.
Healthy or ill, still one of our worst presidents, imo.
So true.
I was a teenager when RR was in office and noticed his faltering faculties, particularly during his last term. He had ‘charm’ (acting?) or something that earned him a pass.
@SusanneToo – Sorry for what you and your husband went through, and for your loss.
Wearing a heavy suit that is probably covering body armor in any kind of heat could down anyone. Couple that with pneumonia, which is no joke, and the emotional atmosphere for someone who worked tirelessly for First Responders in the days and months after 9/11, not to mention the emotional and physical toll of being on the campaign trail. I can see the argument of NOT releasing the pneumonia diagnosis because it would have created the same narrative, but now here we are with people slowing down the video of her getting in the car and saying it proves whatever they want it to.
DT is on TV now claiming to have had a physical last week & will be releasing records as soon “as numbers are in”. Sure DT still waiting on Melania showing her documentation as you promised & your tax records..
He was going to have a press conference about Melania in August.
So Donald….
She’s probably wearing body armor, which could cause some problems. These are troubled times and Trump has been revving up the armed fruitcakes.
Yes she was wearing a BP vest. They stated so yesterday. Between pnemonia, 80’s heat, long sleeve pantsuit & blouse…anyone would have passed out.
@greeneyes:…you forget to mentioned the humidity. I was out walking my dog yesterday morning and the humidity was high. Hillary has been going full steam for over 18 months, she is doing great for a woman 68 yo. Let’s see Trump do what she has been doing without his personal plane to fly him home every night. Bet he could not keep up with her.
Wow! Thank you B N A Fan! Yes! High humidity & lungs full of crude alone will knock anyone out.. Add in the rest, I’d have to say Hillary is a determined woman to have made it that far into the morning under all the circumstances. I couldn’t have done it. I also agree w/ you Trump could not keep up the pace w/ her behind the scenes if he had to.
For the sake of objectivity, Hillary has done the majority of her campaigning in a private jet, & only recently (like in the last 10 days or so) started using a different private plane where her staff & select reporters are allowed on board: http://mashable.com/2016/09/05/hillary-clinton-campaign-plane/#CEKhAnFBTkqI
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@Jwoolman
Very true. Trump encouraged “second amendment people” to do something about Hillary during a speech just a month ago. The Secret Service were so spooked they actually talked to Trump about it. It was an absolutely unprecedented moment in presidential politics. It’s extraordinary what HRC has had to endure. She’s a stronger person that I am.
If her life is in such danger due to Trumps comments then why did they let her walk out of Chelseas apartment by herself with no SS around? Especially after her health “episode” at the 9/11 memorial? Also that little girl was a stranger to her so how could she be able to get that close to give her a hug? The TSA screens little children like they are terrorists nowadays so that does not seem right either.
not sure what video you saw, but I saw plenty of SS on that street as she exited.
and she herself waved the little girl over to her, after waving to a few people. I saw that in the same video of her exiting the building.
maybe you should do some more “research” before you make such claims.
(this is in response to Emily above at #55)
Since it was in her daughter’s neighborhood, she might have known the little girl.
Not to mention the “pneumonia” diagnosis. If she has a communicable respiratory disease she shouldn’t be out in crowds and in person hugging people, spreading it. But I think she’s got Parkinson’s and what she suffered was a brain episode. She went to the apartment and recovered and came back out after she recovered.
Gigi — Have you personally cared for an individual with Parkinson’s? Or do you have years of neurological specialty education? You have repeatedly posted that you ‘think’ she has PD.
We have several posters on here who have PD, saw it up close or have neurology training, and fully know PD cannot be diagnosed by ‘many people’ saying it’s so. PD can take years to properly diagnose, just like Alzheimer’s.
Visit snopes for a good breakdown of why the PD illness rumors are likely quite false.
You are aware that Snopes is owned and operated by a Liberal couple…. Just saying. Why anyone would believe anything Snopes says is baffling.
Is their information wrong within a fact-based summary pertaining to the recent rumors? If so, what?
By the way, don’t always believe chain e-mails. Fact checkers debunked the one trying to discredit snopes.
Goo, just because you might be unable to put aside your politics to see/tell the truth doesn’t mean others are like that.
by your logic, I guess all those negative things about Dubya that they debunked are actually true, huh?…because we can’t believe anything they say, right?
It appears you are the one who has a problem with the truth…. Leave W out of it. It is 2016!There are much more credible sites than Snopes. And if I am searching for the TRUTH, that is the last place I would go to look for it. It is a FACT that it was founded, owned and operated by Liberals.
I don’t see what the hoopla is about. She was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday, and decided to show up to the 9/11 event on Sunday anyway. She probably felt like crap and feeling overheated doesn’t seem shocking to me. I had pneumonia as a very healthy 25-year-old. I was hot and cold at the same time, weak, dizzy, wheezy…all of it. I got better. People get sick sometimes. Big deal. People forget we’ve had Presidents with serious health issues already. FDR was in a wheelchair from Polio, JFK had Addison’s Disease, and George W had heart problems (Afib). Most health issues are not disqualifying, especially something like pneumonia, which sucks, but is temporary and you get better and that’s it. I truly do not understand the alarm.
I also can’t help but think that for a woman to prove she is capable of being President she is held to a ridiculously higher and unrealistic standard than men who are running. If she gets even a cold or coughs a couple of times, it seems to be confirmation that women are so weak already and look at how deeply weakened she is now since she coughed!
“I truly do not understand the alarm.”
It’s because it’s not alarm. It’s “alarm.”
Pneumonia is infectious. I cannot believe that her aides and doctor let her attend such a crowded event and then hug a child. I would be upset about that. Specially if you have elderly people attending the event.
Within 24 hours of beginning antibiotics for pneumonia in most instances you are not contagious. But good concern trolling!
Will someone PLEASE think of the children!!!
Not true about the timeline for pneumonia’s still being contagious after starting antibiotics. Depends on the causative organism and the severity of infection. And you’re not the “concern trolling” police.
Read up on pneumonia. There are different types — not all caused by contagions.
I think you could fairly convincing argument FDR should not have run for president and set up his administration as he did. I understand the continuity argument and maybe feeling like that was important during WW II, but he knew he would not make it four years and still settled for a Vice President he didn’t know, want, or trust. He had no experience, was liked in the legislature because he was new, congenial, and willing to run errands for senior members. He didn’t share a lot of FDR’s ideology, they barely spoke, one day he was at home and got the call FDR is dead, you are POTUS get to the White House now and was thrown into the deep end. Thankfully it worked out.
I do sincerely hope she is not sick. I also hope she had the humility to ponder how all of her VP picks would handle the office. Trump did not have that humility. Hopefully he can pick up the slack, let the American people get to know him and demonstrate why she clearly has so much faith in him and what he will bring to her administration.
FDR contracted polio in 1921 – well before he was POTUS. Should one of the greatest presidents not have run at all?
Just the third term was a bit questionable. He was very sick and knew it. He ran for a term doctors seriously doubted he would see the end of. In any situation, especially one like that, it isn’t to much to ask of the POTUS to make sure the country is in good hands you as the elected official trust and the handover is as smooth as possible.
He should have stuck to his guns for his VP pick and made sure the VP was ready and able to pick up where he left off and not left to sink or swim by his own devices. Of course it should not have disqualified him from running ever. He knew his time was running out and rather that soldier on and not face it he should have ensured a smooth transition. Or at least talked to his VP more than a few times, have him be there for meetings.
I was just saying if she is really sick hopefully she considered what he would be like as POTUS. FDR didn’t it was a mistake to be learned from. It ended up being fine but that was far from a sure thing. A President should consider their own mortality. You can learn from the past without destroying someone’s legacy.
Umm…FDR was elected to four terms.
Your last paragraph is spot on.
I had this when I was 13, I do not think it is a big deal either. Execept for the fact it took me weeks to recover and I was so tired I could not even have the energy to watch TV in hospital I just slept. So if this is as serious for her she won’t get any real work done for a long time.
I don’t know what illness she has or how severe it is – if it really is pneumonia or if it’s worse, like the Republican conspiracy theorists and trash tabloids suggest, but I wish her good health. I don’t care what illnesses she comes down with (well, I do, and I wish for her health) but either way, I would never in a million years vote for Trump over her.
Unless she comes down with Trumpitis, she’s got my vote.
I have confidence in Kaine’s abilities, so I’m not seeing an issue. None of us are guaranteed another day. I’ve lived long enough to see ‘healthy’ people suddenly pass.
When she came out later in the day, to show everyone she was alright, someone should’ve asked her to open a pickle jar.
As an aside, I’m planning on scolling a beer everytime time Trump says Crooked Hillary during the upcoming presidential debate. I should be hammered within five minutes.
I feel bad for her and hope she feels better soon.
It is a grueling schedule she’s been on. And I think she may have some, perhaps not insignificant, health concerns. The image of her falling over into the van was startling.
Worst case scenario, if she becomes majorly ill in office and Tim Kaine has to step in he’s still a million times better than Trump and well qualified.
Yesterday, before any details were even released, the media was running the story that before passing out, Hillary was combative and confused. I was out in public with a friend at a place that had the 9/11 ceremony on and I merely posed the question “did she have a stroke?” because of the way her feet dragged in the video before she was put into that van, and I got my head bitten off and was accused of being a Trump supporter by a total stranger in public who found it necessary to jump into my conversation. People need to CHILL with this election. It is by far the most emotionally charged election I’ve seen in my lifetime, which I understand, but flipping out on total strangers is insane.
Pneumonia makes sense since she’s been coughing for quite some time and the media has gone nuts with that. I’ll say this much: we’ve had elderly men running for president for the majority of our elections and no one has ever come under as much scrutiny over whether or not he was healthy, and now that we have a woman running, it’s like she’s on death watch. Another one of the many disturbing, antiquated views that this election has brought to the surface.
“we’ve had elderly men running for president for the majority of our elections and no one has ever come under as much scrutiny over whether or not he was healthy, and now that we have a woman running, it’s like she’s on death watch. Another one of the many disturbing, antiquated views that this election has brought to the surface.”
So true. John McCain was older than Hillary when he was running for POTUS and had serious health issues. He got nowhere near the same level of scrutiny. This election is crazy.
Exactly! men are never questioned on their stamina. It’s ridiculous for this conversation to have even entered the presidential campaign. She’s ill at the moment; she’s not permanently infirm.
That’s because on average men live longer than women. Oh wait…
That is completely not true. In fact, McCain’s daughter came out and said the double-standard he faced compared to Hillary is absurd. There were multiple articles about how McCain was on his deathbed and wouldn’t live through the first term. It was so bad he released his entire medical records for the media to review. Hillary is being treated with kid gloves in comparison.
McCain’s health got PLENTY of scrutiny, as did Bob Dole’s.
McCain released over a 1000 pages of information on his health though. There was plenty of coverage about his age, his bouts of skin cancer, lots of polls done on whether or not people thought he was too old to be President. Really, the Clinton campaign has done themselves no favors here. They look like they were hiding something and that plays right into the concerns that so many people have about her trustworthiness.
Yes, I remember that. There was a lot of focus on his health.
Agreed. The difference is the Dems didn’t seize on McCain’s medical history the way the GOP and Trump supporters are as they continue to reach for any straw to diminish Hillary’s credibility.
This might be my own perspective interfering with my memories, but wasn’t the main concern with McCain’s health the fact that Palin would be next in line?
Although I know we’d still be talking about this if she were a man, the fragile/OLD/unfit woman narrative is inextricable from our millennia of deeming women weaker and less powerful than men. No one is questioning Kaine’s ability to step in, which would be the logical next step if their paranoia is justified… instead, it’s personal attacks on Clinton herself, calling for her to stop fighting. (Which, by the way, is Trump’s laziest and best hope of winning… what a coincidence.)
Agreed, Clinton’s team let her down badly. ‘She has pneumonia, she’s taking antibiotics, she needs a day of rest.’ And move on. Being coy about it just plays into the whole Hillary = Secrecy narrative.
My father suffered from pneumonia several times in his last ten years of life (life support for respiratory failure twice.) It can come on very quickly and manifest itself in very strange ways that people can mistake as other problems – an inability to walk, confusion, inability to urinate. My dad went back to work within a few weeks of each of his most serious bouts with pneumonia. Hillary needs some rest. I hope she gets it.
This is ……worrisome. I hate to see her vulnerable like this. We all know why. Ugh. Please get better soon Hilary, we can’t have you sick.
Pneumonia plus Kevlar will knock anyone on their butt. In all the faux concern trolling yesterday, neither CNN nor MSNBC frames the narrative as “look at this badass woman who is still campaigning while sick”. Nope. It’s all this ridiculous pearl clutching. How many women carry on regardless of how they are feeling because they have to? Too freaking many to count. She doesn’t owe us more access to her medical records. She’s given us all that was needed and more. Call me when the Mutant Cheeto provides a tenth of the records she has.
Plus all the likes.
Love this comment!
I have naturally low blood pressure. If I get dehydrated I will pass out. It’s all about not getting enough oxygen to the brain. If you have pneumonia you also are oxygenating less. It’s not at all surprising under those conditions that HRC would faint or almost faint. Doesn’t mean she’s at death’s door either.
Pneumonia is very scary and can be fatal very quickly. I do hope she will take a little time off and heal properly.
I somehow suspect they would still tell it is pneumonia even if it wasn’t. At this point what else can they do? I am not that familiar with US presidential election procedure, but what do they do if she drops out? Does Trump automatically become president?
No. Trump would not automatically become president. We still have to vote. Dead people have won elections here.
The DNC would meet and choose a replacement, likely Tim Kaine, but I suppose it could be Biden with Kaine staying on the ticket as VP. In no scenario would it be Sanders.
I don’t know the truth but I suspect she really does just have pneumonia. The thing is, I don’t care. Her VP pick becomes golden here because you notice she didn’t pick someone with very little experience as some were telling her to like Castro (who I really like, but he’s not there yet). She didn’t pick Warren who is just too untested for a national campaign IMO. She picked Tim Kaine. He’s solid.
If she is seriously ill (and again, I highly doubt this), and doesn’t make it through her first term, I’m good with Kaine. If it were Kaine vs Trump right now I’d happily vote Kaine. So what do I care? Other than concern for Hillary personally, which i have, and the loss of the first woman President. That would upset me. But it in no way affects my vote.
Kaine was a fantastic choice. He has all the qualifications and experience necessary to successfully govern our nation.
I don’t think this illness is a big deal, it happens and there you go. I do think however her campaign handled it terribly and played into the not trust worthy narrative that has been painted over 30 years. It’s there it’s not fair but don’t add to it. They should have just said what was wrong when she left. Then it would be a none story.
I will also say that this campaign season is annoying me- neither canidate has released the standard level of medical information. And that is wrong we have a right to know especially since both these candidates are old. Then you add into Trump not releasing tax returns, which is beyond horrifying. The voting public deserves transparency! We’ve always had it and to not now with these candidates is offensive.
Hillary has my vote because she is literally the only option, she is beyond qualified and she aligns better with my views. That being said that doesn’t mean she doesn’t owe me information and transparency that is at minimum standard.
I’m going to say it I wish it was Biden running. This is a scary time for our country and I trust he’d win. I’m nervous with her and her bungling the simple things add to my nerves. Our country can’t afford this.
I wish Biden was running too.
I’d rather have a sick Hillary in office than a healthy Trump any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Bonus- Tim Kaine is also more qualified and appropriate than Trump to lead this nation should something happen to HRC. I don’t see the story here.
I’m in Virginia, and there is a very nasty virus going around putting perfectly healthy, young adults flat on their asses with upper respiratory/bronchitis like symptoms. So if she has that, and given her crazy travel schedule which would make anyone exhausted…
I don’t see the big deal here. IN FACT, I’m more impressed with her than ever, because you know she felt like sht for days before and Sunday, and she still went out there. That’s a woman who digs deep and has immense inner strength. There are worse qualities in a presidential candidate….
Exactly. Tim Kaine becomes huge here. And that Hillary chose him shows her judgement. It speaks highly of her.
Cheryl, I completly agree, it shows nothing stops her from doing her job.
If it is a pneumonia bug that spreads and made other members of her staff seriously ill, as other sites are saying, why did she go immediately to her daughters apartment where her little grandchildren live. That would be very poor judgement. I would hope she wouldn’t go risk their well being. Makes me wonder if there is not more to this.
If she began abx on Friday, by Saturday she was no longer contagious.
Yet again with the withholding of relevant information in a timely, and completely disclosing manner.
There was no reason to “disclose” anything on Friday. She had a lingering bad cough, thought it was just due to allergies, got it checked out, diagnosed with walking pneumonia, doc did not tell her to stay in bed, doc did not hospitalize her, just told her to rest more and slow down for a few days, it was a very treatable illness. If she hadn’t been out on Sunday for a long period in body armor and got overheated and dehydrated (confirmed by doc, quick recovery), we very likely wouldn’t even know about it because we don’t need to know about it. Should she disclose every time she takes an aspirin?!?
She properly explained when she needed to, in order to calm people worried about the video. The full explanation came just 90 minutes later, long enough for a consult with her doctor. She knew she felt overheated so that was the initial story (true). What’s wrong with us that we can’t wait 90 minutes?
My mom is 63 and she’s been on her ass with pneumonia for the past week, dealing with the constant coughing especially. Because she’s got terrible seasonal allergies, she has probably been fighting it off for a couple weeks with that assumption. Maybe I’m naive, but I don’t see a grand conspiracy, I see a woman who knows that any hint of weakness is going to get jumped on, and who figured she just needed to push through.
“Because she’s got terrible seasonal allergies, she has probably been fighting it off for a couple weeks with that assumption.”
Exactly.
I don’t know what’s wrong with Hillary Clinton. Regardlesss of party affiliation, I hope she gets better. Being the President is not more important than her health.
“Being the President is not more important than her health.” – huh? No reason to quit campaigning. Walking pneumonia is easy to treat. But it can knock you on your butt, sure.
Maybe the antibiotics were making her nauseous. I’ve been gaggy that way and would have fallen over, too. Hope she gets well soon.
I’m scared, fellow celebitchers. I fear that this really was the death knell in Hillary’s campaign. For the first time, I’m afraid Trump might actually win.
This health stuff is so ridiculous. But effective distraction. More than ever, it’s important we get out the vote for Hillary.
Lets all stay positive, Hillary still has a big chance to win once everybody goes and votes.
This is so awful. Of course the Trump trolls are going to exploit this.
I can’t bear the thought of Trump as president. It gives me nightmares. I have this NYT link I check regularly to make sure everything is okay; it is more than a poll; it’s the result of a complex process that yields a percentage based on real world factors like electoral votes:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html?_r=1
My link has been less okay over the last week; I think Matt Lauer’s enabling of Trump was a hefty gain for him.
There have been so many times that Hillary has been down when she has come back slugging-she has a will of iron. Let’s hope this is another one of those times.
Uh and Reagan most likely already had Alzheimer’s while he was in office and no one asked him to step down. I wasn’t around during his presidency but do the math. He was diagnosed in 1994 (he left office in 1989) but most likely the disease was already present while he was president. It is not a disease that manifests itself all of a sudden. My mom always thought something was off about him while he was president and suspected he had Alzheimer’s way before they announced it.
Health of a president is important but getting pneumonia is not egregious. There is an article on People claiming a lot of HRC’s campaign staff have been coming down with it and have been hospitalized in the last few weeks and that it’s been making the rounds. So not surprising she came down with it.
I feel for Hillary. She’s dealing with conspiracy theories for months about her health from right -wingers and as a woman running for POTUS is always conscious that she must appear strong. Admitting she was sick was the last thing she wanted to do and tried to tough it out. It’s so
easy now to say she should have admitted it Friday. We aren’t dealing with the onslaught of crap she receives from the Repubs. She didn’t want to give them any ammunition. So on she went.
Rock on, Hills. Humpty Trumpty is running on bigotry and hate and not viable solutions to our problems or policies, just tag lines, like I’m going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. His remarks in the Presidential Forum again were a joke and Matt Lauer let him off.
I’d rather have a sick Hillary with her intellect and detailed plans and policies any day over Donald Trump with his little mind and his buzz phrases with no substance.
My late father had walking pneumonia. Yes, he was having coughing fits before he knew what he had. He was very ill for weeks, was very lightheaded and dizzy. I believe she has pneumonia. I was shocked when I saw how ill he had been when I came that weekend. He had zero
energy.
But I’ve been having bad coughing fits for four months now. It’s from allergies and sinus drainage is what I’ve been told. I was told it was from gastric problems before that. It is so annoying. A lady I worked with had chronic coughing problems for almost a year. I thought she had a serious illness, but she assured me she was under a doctor’s care and finally got it under control with the right medicine or treatment. She said it would wake her up at night and was painful. Allergy problems down here in Florida are common.
I don’t think Hillary nearly fainted. I think she did faint as she was trying to walk towards the van.
Yeah. The Fourth Estate is dead. I swear the media is trying to hand this election to Trump because you know, ratings. This really is a non issue. Newsflash, people get sick. Presidents and presidential candidates are people, so…….
I’m just glad FDR was President in the early 20th century, he wouldn’t get elected today. Nor would JFK. Unless the candidate is on deaths door or suffering from something that would seriously limit their ability to perform duties: dementia, Alzheimers, etc, I’m not worried about it.
It’s so terrible, but I think so too. I really think they are excited about the idea of The Trump Show and what it would mean for their ratings. They don’t care about this country or all of the people it would hurt.
Now Trump is whining about how the moderators are going to be too tough on him and wants no moderators. “Wa-wa,” cries the Big Orange Baby. Oh, whoa is me. They might fact check me. I’m going to be picked on because I got off light with Matt Lauer, and they might actually make me give answers based on fact instead of soundbites.
We all saw this coming.
yup, saw it coming before #laueringthebar became a thing.
he’s been complaining for months now that he won’t get a fair shake at the debates…either setting the table for a withdraw or a way for him to “explain” his inevitable loss to his deplorable supporters.
This is not the first incident. There have been several incidents of Hillary having mini seizures on the campaign trail. This is not just pneumonia (if it is) this is Parkinson’s Disease. It’s why she was able to come out on the street an hour and a half later and seem in control and reenergized, which would not be true of someone with pneumonia and exhaustion. I hope she can be honest about her health get the help she needs.
Agree 100% There is way more going on here. I believe more episodes are to follow. Can she be that power hungry that her health would take a back seat to running for president?!
You can google and see the incidents of what her campaign is calling “brain freeze” or “exhaustion” on the campaign trail. But as someone with a friend and a family member with Parkinson’s, this is exactly what it looks like. What I wonder is will she push through despite a possible total collapse or will the Democrat party ask her to step down and try to run someone in good health?
“There have been several incidents of Hillary having mini seizures on the campaign trail.”
no, there haven’t.
You are right…NO, there HAVE NOT.
Bull. She hasn’t been having mini seizures on the campaign trail. And floating out the ridiculous Parkinson’s disease theory? LOL Nice try. Unbelievable with these Rush Limbaugh/Faux News/Breitbart followers, which is where that crap comes from.
Nice try, yourself Bull. I’m a Bernie supporter. But the truth will out. Aspiration Pneumonia is a symptom of Parkinson’s disease. This would not be the first time the Clintons have tried to cover up things going on in their lives.
Okay. A Bernie supporter who reads the alt-right conspiracy sites over Hillary’s health to assuage her bitterness over Bernie losing.
Nice how you can diagnose something so serious as Parkinson’s without a medical degree and from afar. I’m impressed.
“Aspiration Pneumonia is a symptom of Parkinson’s disease.”
it’s a bacterial/viral/fungal infection. and anyone can be susceptible to it. anyone who is run down, from something like being on the campaign trail 24/7 or something as simple as, yes, allergies.
for you to imply that it MUST BE Parkinson’s disease is irresponsible and, quite frankly, pretty farfetched.
Ummm….they just said “pneumonia”. No specification as to which kind.
Ummmm…I know this. there is also a “chemical” pneumonia that can be caused by a chemical irritant. however, if she was put on antibiotics, it’s very likely that it was the bacterial form.
no need to be so condescending. in EVERY post.
Gigi, stop spreading lies. If you keeping the lies a million times does not make it true. Shame on you.
If it is Parkinsons more episodes will happen. Only time will tell. The truth always prevails so we will see.
Emily, in what universe does Parkinson’s cause “episodes,” because I did not learn that in medical school or neurology residency or in any of my years as a practicing neurologist? There are some neurodegenrative diseases that can mimic seizures or that can cause seizures, but PD is NOT one of them. And there have been no “episodes” in any case.
I certainly hope that truth will prevail. “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.”
Care to show videos of her having mini-seizures? Because I even watched that disgusting video claiming that, and they had 2 things, one where she stumbled, one where she had a reaction, and it only looked weird if you slowed it down to a frame-by-frame. If that’s all you got, moving on…
and the one where she stumbled, if I’m thinking of the same one, is when she was walking up icy steps.
I’ve fallen on DRY steps, just because I was in a hurry and/or missed one. so, a person walking up icy steps, in high heels, slips…OH NOES SHE MUST HAVE DA PARKINSUNS!
@ gigi: Where do you get your FACTS? Did you actually watch the Democratic debates, the Convention, and the rallies or just rely on unsubstantiated gossip? I’ve watched almost everything on both sides, and I’ve never seen evidence of any of this.
I know, I’ve never seen any of this. I said on another thread that Hillary came to our town for a fundraiser and walked a good half mile with her entourage and city officials from city hall to the fundraising venue with zero issues. She was spry, walking at a decent clip and never short of breath. Perfectly healthy looking…I saw it with my own eyes, as did everyone else lining her route.
There sure haven’t. Diagnosing seizures is my bread and butter and even though I won’t do it secondhand, there’s no evidence… Sheesh. Gigi, give it a rest. Go outside and get some air.
“There have been several incidents of Hillary having mini seizures on the campaign trail.”
Link to just one please.
I feel that be a use she is a woman, people are looking for any and every reason to say she isn’t suitable for the job as president. The media is watching her like a hawk. If this was a guy who almost fainted the media would be all, “is he OK? Our prayers are with you! Get well soon so you can run our country!” I wish that wasn’t the case but I can’t help but think it is.
I don’t care if she’s on her death bed with a priest giving her last rites – I’m voting for her. The thought of Trump in the White House makes me suicidal.
And, yes, she should have divulged that she had pneumonia because she knows by now that Trump and the MSM will do anything in their power to bring her down.
I am so sick of this whole election, especially the news channels. They keep going over and over about the moments leading up Hillary so called dizzy spell at the 9/11 ceremony. She has pneumonia, not cancer. I have had it twice in my life. It can happen to anyone. You get rest, liquids and an antibiotic. You pretty much keep going until you collapse and then listen to what the doctor said. I wish we could vote tomorrow lThe 24 hour news cycle can analyze the election and then we can move on to important topics like death and taxes😱
Most people are assuming she had “Walking Pneumonia”, which is something I had as a kid. I tired easily, but the doctors just gave me some antibiotics, an inhaler, and I still went to school. I can understand want to continue on and feeling like everything is fine, because “Walking Pneumonia” doesn’t hit you until it hits you.
I’m so torn on this story. I, for one, do not think it is necessarily her fault or her campaign’s fault that they didn’t report pneumonia right away: I feel like every time I get cold/allergy symptoms, it’s an excruciating process of finding out what is actually wrong. Las time, my doctor assumed it was sinus infection, I took 2 rounds of antibiotics before I saw any relief, and I was still left with a pain in my throat and a really bad cough. My cough went on for 4 more months! One day it was so bad, I literally couldn’t not speak. And that was with clear lungs, no pneumonia. I went to my doctor at least once a week, and eventually, they’d just shrug and tell me stories of family members who coughed for months, too. My cough eventually went away when summer started, which did not surprise me at all: I’m a teacher and talk loudly for about 5 hours a day, so I think I just never got a chance to rest my throat to fully recover. 2 weeks after I was out of school, all my symptoms were FINALLY gone – and I was beginning to worry I had throat cancer or something, so persistent was the pain.
So, she could have a weird, convoluted case of cold/allergy/flu, that slowly developed into pneumonia.
I also don’t see her being taken to her daughter’s apartment as proof of anything. Do we even know if her daughter was there with babies? Besides, their home is probably huge, they could easily isolate HC in a bedroom and have her never cross the babies’ path.
Finally, I don’t think her emerging an hour later feeling better is proof of anything sinister either: the one time I fainted as an adult, I was up and about in 15 min, I went across town my myself on a hot day and flew internationally the next day.
So, all of her symptoms seem consistent with a few simple ailments I had myself, and I’m much younger. I don’t think it takes a horrible disease and a cover-up to produce this result.
However, I also think that if she did have a bad illness, she would definitely try to cover it up at this point. 🙁
I really hope it’s not the latter, because we’re all royally screwed if she is seriously ill.
Watched the video from multiple news sources and she exits Chelseas apartment by HERSELF. She is then standing on a wide open sidewalk with no one around her yelling out to the press and other people on the sidewalk. She then waves the unknown little girl over to her and puts her hands on her shoulders. Waves to the crowd on the street and then walks to her vehicle. Wheres the SS? They should literally be close to her especially after what happened at 9/11 memorial.
Emily, I watched several videos, too, and you can see SS around the perimeter of the area where she comes out. all those men in suits around the edge?…THOSE are SS. if you’ve never been to an event where SS presence is required, you might not know the places they take to “clear” an area for the person being protected. They clear the immediate area and then give her the go-ahead to exit the building. yes, by herself, UNDER HER OWN POWER (didn’t catch that part, huh?). they’re not going to lock arms with her and rush her to the car if there is no immediate danger.
do you see the SS swarming over Obama when he’s out and about? no, just nearby.
stop trying so hard.
I see differing opinions re: voting choices are not “allowed” here. She is ill. Very ill and has been for some time now. The issue is one of lack of credibility. Trump typically does more than one event per day, that is well established and easily provable. It doesn’t matter who you plan to vote for or not, but this fraudulent,presumptuous, ham-handed handling of her issues- both medical and ethical- is not something I can respect. Flame away.
“She is ill. Very ill and has been for some time now.”
Can you please supply your evidence/sources? Unless you’re her doctor, how could you possibly know this?
Why do you think she is ill? I see no evidence for that and never have. (No comment on the optics of the campaign, mind you – but as a physician I can’t let this claim go unquestioned.)
aw, you can’t respect it? too bad so sad.
you can have a difference of opinion on who to vote for, but when you start to make claims about a person’s health, a person whose medical info you know NOTHING about, that’s when you’ll get “flamed”.
Carry on, Dr. Icantremember.
The video you embedded cuts off earlier than the one I saw, in which she appeared to completely pass out and people actually had to hoist her into the vehicle.
My dad, who’s only a couple years old than Hillary Clinton, had pneumonia last year and had to be hospitalized. We almost lost him. It’s one of those things that can be life-threatening, especially for the elderly, so it doesn’t make any sense to me that she would just go to her daughter’s to rest.
I hate to say it, but I think she’s got serious health issues that she’s not being upfront about.
On what basis, Violet?
Snopes recently debunked the health rumors by armchair experts, one by one. For example, the ‘advanced PD’ claim comes from an anesthesiologist who has never examined her.
The strangest thing for me was the attitude of the secret service people and her staff. Considering it was an emergency scenario and several security protocols were broken to get her out of there asap no one seemed that concerned or agitated, it was almost as if they expected it or were used to it. You could say they are well trained not to show any emotion but that wouldn’t apply to her staff , they all seemed like they were on automatic pilot for a usual task and that only feeds into the chronic poor health debate.
I blame Obama for all of this , including Trump, if he had just waited his turn and gained a little more experience in Washington, waited for a term or two to run and let Hillary take office 8years ago when she was much younger and fitter, the USA wouldn’t be in this pickle.
Yeah, that evil Obama. Every damn thing is his fault. Guess he just voodoo-sorcered the voters into picking him. The black man should have just “waited his turn” just because. Makes no difference he’s done a helluva lot and saved this country from going down for the third time economically. Are you really that dense?
Ran into this at People from America’s new stepdad Tim Kaine:
http://www.people.com/article/tim-kaine-hillary-clinton-pneumonia-chatty-funny
Tim even tells his own “I had pneumonia while running for office and lived to tell the tale” story.
It sounds as though her downtime will be brief. She’s speaking via phone to a fundraiser.
Next time a working person has walking pneumonia, I suppose they should just give up and file for long term disability. That’s the tone of some comments around the Web. It really is comedic fodder.
When I was 17, I was out at a political event on a hot day (a groundbreaking), and I fainted. To the right and the left of me, other teenagers fainted too. No one started running conspiracy theories as to why I was unable to keep standing. We were all given a cold drink, and an apple, and sent on our way. I was young and healthy and still was overcome by heat and dehydration, and I didn’t have pneumonia. (And years later, I DID have pneumonia, and yeah, it knocks the snot out of you, even if you are otherwise healthy) So, I’m not overly concerned about the state of her health. Yeah, her staff should have been more forthcoming about the pneumonia earlier, but getting a respiratory infection in no way disqualifies a person from holding public office.
Yes, she should release more detailed medical records. But that is true of every candidate for president and vice president. Trump should release his full medical records (and not just the results from one physical). And also, Trump should release his tax returns. The American people should have all this information before they go to the polls.
This year’s flu lead to a lot of cases of pneumonia.
Whaaaaat?
She’s run down and has a minor common condition that’s easily treatable. Why is everyone getting their knickers in a twist?
I’m sure if she had SARS/ a brain tumour etc she’d be spending her dying days at home with her family.
FYI ‘pneumonia bugs’ are not spread to little children she may come into contact with.
Why has everyone got so hysterical? People get ill, it’s life.
The ‘she’s got something very serious – believe me’ claims are as ridiculous as assuming his photos with a piece of fried chicken or taco bowl will result in immediate heart attack or stroke.
If the male candidate had walking pneumonia, the story would likely be how brave he’s been to keep going and not make a big deal of it.
Let me get this straight – there are Americans, as in the country built on ‘muh rights’, who think that presidential candidates should share their private health records with the entire world? Why do I get the feeling that if those same people were the ones running for president they’d be screaming for the right to privacy?
I was dumbfounded by the idea that any person’s health is a national matter of concern. As long as they’ve been declared medically fit then why does the nation need to know when Hilary had her last mammogram or Trump last had a prostate check? Jesus.
These ‘look over there’ stories about health and even body doubles are keeping Snopes staff busy.