Hillary Clinton: ‘Millions of white people’ loved the crap Donald Trump was selling

Hillary Clinton makes a public appearance for 'An Evening with Hillary Rodham Clinton' at BookExpo in New York City

Hillary Clinton’s What Happened is out today. Journalists and assorted book-professionals got their hands on early copies, and excerpts have already been widely disseminated. The reviews are all over the place – What Happened seems to be well-written and thoughtful, but more than a handful of people want Hillary to “stop talking” and “stop making excuses” and “stop airing her grievances in public” or whatever. I liked the Daily Beast’s review of the book – Erin Gloria Ryan says that it’s enjoyable read, a piece of history, and that Hillary even comes across as funny and wry in some moments, but that the book will be controversial because Hillary is a tangible reminder of the trauma we have inflicted upon ourselves as a nation with the Trump presidency. It’s not that people actually want Hillary to “stop talking” (although I’m sure some/many people do) – it’s that people want to not reflect on how far we’ve fallen in just nine months.

Anyway, Hillary is promoting the damn thing and that means interviews. She sat down with Jane Pauley at CBS and it’s clear that she’s still trying to figure what, exactly, happened. She’s come to at least one conclusion: white people are mostly to blame. I agree, Hillz.

Hillary Clinton’s media tour has begun, and on Sunday she sat down with CBS’ Jane Pauley to discuss her memoir, What Happened, and her own reactions to the 2016 presidential election. “I’m good,” she told Pauley. “But that doesn’t mean I am complacent or resolved about what happened. It still is very painful. It hurts a lot.”

Although she does take responsibility for her loss — “I couldn’t get the job done, and I’ll have to live with that for the rest of my life” — she also parsed a few theories as to why it happened. And one, she said, is because her opponent appealed overwhelmingly to a certain demographic.

“He was quite successful in referencing a nostalgia that would give hope, comfort, settle grievances, for millions of people who were upset about gains that were made by others,” she said. Pauley: “What you’re saying is millions of white people.”

Clinton: “Millions of white people, yeah. Millions of white people.”

She also mentions other factors that dented her campaign: Russian interference; her own use of a personal email server while Secretary of State and the ensuing coverage; James Comey’s pre-election letter about the email investigation; and her failure to tap into the economic anxieties of Americans the way her primary opponent, Bernie Sanders, did.

“I think in this time we’re in, particularly in this campaign, you know, maybe I missed a few chances,” she concluded. And, despite some speculation that’s sprung up around her book tour, she has no plans to revive her candidacy. But she won’t be disappearing any time soon. “I am not done with politics because I literally believe that our country’s future is at stake,” she said.

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I’m sure there will be some who say “but why didn’t she say anything during the election!” She did. She actually made a tricky political calculation to specifically call out Trump’s “alt-right” white supremacists supporters and his racist dog whistles. She warned us, over and over again. And all Trump had to say was “but her emails” and all of those white folks forgot all about it. Which reminds me – Ta-Nehisi Coates wrote a brilliant cover story for The Atlantic this month called The First White President. Please read it, it’s worth it.

I’m including the video of Hillary’s interview below. She refers to Trump’s inaugural speech as “a cry from the white nationalist gut.”

Hillary Clinton makes a public appearance for 'An Evening with Hillary Rodham Clinton' at BookExpo in New York City

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  1. Grandjen says:

    I’m definitely going to read this.

    • HadToChangeMyName says:

      I can’t. It hurts too much. It’s like going through a painful breakup, only to have your ex on every channel talking about what could have been.

      In the last post, I said that I needed Hillary to stop talking about “what went wrong” and roll up her sleeves and get to work on the resistance. People jumped down my throat and called me all kinds of names. But I still feel that way. We know what went wrong; we don’t need to keep hearing about it. How do we fix the mess we’re in? That’s the question. If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.

      • MamaHoneyBadger says:

        Yes, there’s a time for the Monday morning QBing to end, and the hard work of Tuesday to begin. She/we learned some lessons. Great, now let’s start learning from them, and acting on what we’ve learned.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Fixing the mess requires understanding what got you into the mess in the first place. Clinton’s examination (and self-examination) contributes to – and may help to codify – that understanding. It’s important to hear her perspective, and she was after all the first American woman to be nominated by a major party. I’m glad she wrote the book; it sounds good. If the Democratic party can find room for the voice of Independent Bernie Sanders, the reading public and media can find room for the voice of the former candidate, Secretary of State, Senator from New York and First Lady.

      • phaedra says:

        Agree 100 percent. Still hurts too much. Not ready for the post-mortem. Still in the ice-cream binge phase.

      • milla says:

        Have to add sth. It may be history for her but it is all happening right now.

        Lets face it: she was too confident. She got too relaxed too cocky. She did not do her work like Obama did twice. But what now? We know what happened. But can it be fixed and how? And when?

      • Tiffany :) says:

        I think it is important to figure out exactly what happened. It wasn’t one thing that sunk her campaign, it was a multitude of things. We need to figure out how to guard against a repeat in 2020. Honestly, it is better if we get the hard part out of the way now and be brutally honest, than wait until 2018 to face our issues.

      • hmmm says:

        @HadToChangeMyName et al,

        And what has Obama done for the resistance lately? Why does he get a pass, while Hillary, who is dissecting her experience a mere *few months * after the election is vilified for a very normal and natural trajectory and told to skip along because HER INSIGHTS DON’T MATTER? What a downer she is, huh?

      • downTime says:

        Seth Myers, who I used to love, completely trashed her for her cathartic piece of history. Tons of “liberal” Facebook sites are blaming her “re-hash” for the “demise of the democrats. Also, Bernie didn’t want to own that he contributed to Hillary hate mania, and in-faction fighting is STILL breaking up the liberal agenda. I notice the liberal -men- just “don’t want to hear it”, and I’m sick about this. If she didn’t write this honest memoir, we’d be treating the same symptoms. The “cause” is still unresolved, and 2018 is just around the corner w Steve Banon paying thugs to replace current GOP. Amends and change needs to happen STAT!

    • lavn says:

      I adore Hillary. One of the proudest votes was for Hillary in 2016 and Obama in the previous two elections. She is a trailblazer and takes the slings and arrows of it all and is still standing. I have nothing but respect and love for Hillary. Obama said she was one of the most qualified people to ever run for President.

      I will never forgive those who stayed home and didn’t bother to vote, who now complain, that we have Trump in.

      On another note to Kaiser, BET news has a scorching write up on certain Celebs who now complain about Trump but did everything they could to Help him get elected. It’s called
      “Liberal Celebrities Who Helped Elect Trump, Kindly STFU ……” http://www.bet.com/celebrities/news/2017/09/09/liberal-celebrities-daca.html

  2. Shambles says:

    She is entirely correct.

    Sorry about the original link, I missed Kaiser’s reference.

    “The First White President.” debunks the myth of the “white working class” all the way back to its roots in the beginning of our country, and makes the assertion that whiteness, regardless of class, is responsible for Trump. That whole idea of “you can convince a white man of anything if you make him feel like he’s better than a black man.” It’s the toxic bargain that our country was built on. Anyway, read it!!

    Hillary will be on Pod Save America AND Rachel Maddow this week, my two favorite podcasts. I’m more than a little excited.

  3. littlemissnaughty says:

    We don’t need a book by HC to be reminded of what happened. The reminder is bumbling around the WH and the world. We don’t want to be reminded of what could’ve been.

    Orange Hitler went negative. She couldn’t keep up because that was never her approach. He was the doomsday candidate and it is always easier to mobilize people through negativity. It’s actually very easy. She would’ve had to do a 180 in the middle of her campaign and she couldn’t and wouldn’t. That was never her and people wouldn’t have responded the same way if a woman had done it. So yeah, Russia, Comey, the damn f*cking emails, none of it helped. But he didn’t play by the rules and that got her. Of course she only technically lost but I guess nobody wants to be reminded of that either.

    Definitely buying the book.

    • Esmom says:

      Yes to everything she said. I heard an interview with her on NPR this morning and she essentially said that. That Trump had a more “emotional” appeal, which I took as code for he stoked anger and fear and rage in a way that she couldn’t, and more importantly, woudn’t.

      I’m eagerly awaiting for Amazon to deliver my copy of the book to my doorstep today!

      • Indiana Joanna says:

        @EsMom I love reading your comments and your passionate intellectual engagement with this truly horrifying point in our history. And your life sounds so busy!

        I heard the NPR interview today and Hillary sounded much more confident and pointed than she ever did on the campaign. She has found her voice, something that she seemed to lack (for me) during the campaign. Of course I voted for her, but perhaps now she doesn’t need to ask advice of her many advisors. I really loved her NPR interview and will read “What Happened.”

    • mar_time says:

      I live in Los Angeles and her TV commercials were just clips of trump being trump. I didn’t think she needed to give him any more air time but that’s what she did instead of running ads pointing out her strengths. If these were the same ads she ran in battleground states then that was ill advised…many things went wrong but her campaign was one of them and I say this as someone who knows people who worked on her campaign.

      • magnoliarose says:

        Behind the scenes, the campaign was a mess. There were opposing camps and infighting and disorganization. She didn’t have a good voter turn out machine. She had too many old school people who weren’t plugged into what was going on and didn’t take advantage of technology.

  4. Nicole says:

    Hmmm I would say more but after last week when the hurt white people on the threads came out in full force I hesitate.
    I obviously agree but I won’t say anything else.

    • Esmom says:

      I hear you. I don’t know who all those hurt white people were, lol, I saw so many names in that post that never post here. It was suspicious, imo.

      • paranormalgirl says:

        Yeah, I didn’t recognize too many names in that thread and I’ve been around here for a few years now. Say what you want, Nicole, and those who are “butt hurt” are simply those afraid to open their minds and learn something. I’m not fully “woke” yet, still napping a little at times, but I’m open to learning. I NEED to learn. We ALL do. And if people like you, with intelligent and thoughtful things to say, don’t say them, people will never hear it.

      • Otaku fairy says:

        Yeah, so many of CB’s regular Trump-positive shitposters proved Munroe’s point by dropping white nationalist/ neo Nazi talking points in with their defensiveness. Some usernames are starting to get familiar and I’ve noticed that some of them also Stan for She Who Shall Not Be Named. Just an observation.

    • littlemissnaughty says:

      I think you shouldn’t let them deter you but I get why it’s an unpleasant thought. I think as Esmom points out, many of those posters were names that I also didn’t recognize. I think most regular posters will not jump down your throat even if they disagree.

      • Nicole says:

        Its not that I’m deterred perse. I’m still active in real life about these subjects because as a minority its important to me.
        But last week was exhausting on here and frankly I don’t need the added anxiety…this country does a good job of keeping my levels up

      • littlemissnaughty says:

        Oh no, I understand that it’s restricted to posting. I wasn’t implying that you’re giving up in real life. ;-)

        I said something like this on the Martha Plimpton post. Sometimes you KNOW the response to a certain topic or your comment specifically will be infuriating and/or simply tiring. Sometimes we need a break. But the lovely aspect of this site is that you will always find people who are likeminded.

    • Kitten says:

      Seriously I know you’re tired but don’t hesitate to bring it. We need to hear this shit.

    • Boston Green Eyes says:

      Hi Nicole, I’m as white as they come and I won’t be hurt by whatever you write.

      I, myself, am sick to death of butt-hurt white people. I live in an extremely liberal city in a very liberal state and these same butt-hurt white folks hate us, too. That we look down on them, blah blah blah. Well, we wouldn’t look down on you if you weren’t so dang ignorant. Being stupid is one thing (and I’ve been that many times) but to be WILLFULLY ignorant and choose not to educate yourself, well, I have absolutely NO pity for you AT ALL.

      And to top it all off, to be racist when many of my neighbors’ and friends’ ancestors (mine didn’t come til the beginning of the 20th century) fought on southern battlefields during the civil war and my father and my uncles fought in WW2 – all against racism, well, anger and disbelief does not truly convey what I feel towards this segment of the white population.

      • noway says:

        I deeply believe in free speech so go at it. I prefer respectful, but I understand in this day and on comments sections it doesn’t always come out that way. I like hearing other opinions. It makes me challenge my understanding.
        I’ve been trying to understand the other side, not the extreme, but the other side that believes in the fictionalized abused working whites who Trump tapped into. I really can’t see how this thrice married, loud mouth, abusive snake oil salesmen landed with the bible thumping crowd. I know a lot of it is racism and sexism which isn’t discussed as much as it should be, and I hope Hillary’s book has a big section on sexism. Honestly, Hillary was kind of a milk toast candidate and to be hated by as many as she was is absolutely ridiculous. I think , I like a lot of people thought we had progressed with the election of President Obama. I knew at the time we didn’t get rid of racism, but it felt like a big step. Obviously, not as big as it seemed at the time as now we elect the polar opposite.

        My only encouraging thought is we are having discussions that we didn’t have about race, white privilege, and sexism. if you had asked a white person even a decade ago about white privilege, they probably wouldn’t know what the hell you were talking about. Now at least some will know, and acknowledge it. . Confederate statues were just accepted and not questioned. Women routinely discuss the pay gap, that again was just an accepted statistic. Yes these are small steps, but still steps. Also, if you look at the figures from the white American President article Trump only won in young white people by 4%. Like President Obama I think I will place faith in the younger ones who will change the country.

      • paranormalgirl says:

        I don’t get how some of the pro-lifers who voted for him actually believe he’s pro-life. He will stab them in the back the first chance he gets.

    • Nicole says:

      *hugs the regular CBers*
      Thanks guys

    • Megan says:

      @Nicole I think it was the tone, not the content, of Munroe Bergdrof’s comments that caused such a negative reaction. We talk about white supremacy and white privilege on this blog all the time. And I think the consensus here is that we all agree with Hillary.

    • Chinoiserie says:

      People cant disagree before being called “white people” whose opinio is worried apparently since you cant have a discusion. Wow. People really are stereotyping each other into groups over politics arent they.

    • Moon Beam says:

      It’s ok Nicole. Sometimes people take stuff so personally they don’t see whiteness as a system and instead internalize it. Someone saying “white people are racist” out of hurt, fear and a lifetime of watching whiteness at work is not going to hurt me as a person. Instead of “not all white people” ing them, I would rather listen.

    • lisa says:

      please dont censor yourself, even if some people aren’t open to it, it needs to be heard over and over until we get it right

      trump was voted in by white people of all backgrounds it hurts but it is true. i didnt vote for him and my friends didnt. but it is still true and ignoring it wont make any different.

  5. Aims says:

    I’m on the fence about this . On one hand, yes I’m a liberal who is and will always vote Democrat . Hillary wasn’t my first choice , and I have never said otherwise . She is and was the obvious best choice in the last election . No question , and I did vote for her and the people in my life did as well.

    On the other hand. I live in a very blue area and a blue state . We have for many years voted progressive and haven’t had a Republican governor in 20+ years. So it’s pretty much a given that we’re going to go blue. What really pissed me off and continues to is that just because we’re progressive and you will get our vote and support , doesn’t mean you can take that for granted . Not once during the last election did Hillary step foot in Oregon . Not once. Bill stopped by for a few hours, made an appearance with our governor , then split . That really made me angry . Bernie made a handful of appearance and grew VERY large crowds in Portland . That said a lot to me and I really appreciated his hard work, even though he knew we always vote Democrat . He could’ve overlooked us, but he didn’t .

    Yes, I will always vote progressive , but if you really want my support , prove too me you care about my state, even though we are going to automatically going to vote for you.

    • Mrs. WelenMelon says:

      Hillary Clinton came to Wisconsin for the primary but not after, as far as I can remember. We received one visit in Madison from Elizabeth Warren after the primary.

      The campaign deeply needed to connect with rural voters and they didn’t seem to even try. Send Midwestern surrogates like Dick Durbin or Amy Klobuchar, if Hillary Clinton is otherwise engaged but the campaign didn’t even do that. It boggled our minds at the time.

    • littlemissnaughty says:

      This is actually something I don’t understand. Where does this need come from to see the candidate up close? Why are American voters so childish? No, really. I know I’m going to get yelled at (“NOT ALL OF US”) but this is such an American thing. “She didn’t come here, she doesn’t care.” WTF? What difference does it make to her politics if she wastes fuel, time and money to stand in front of a tractor or whatever and kisses a baby?

      Do people honestly think a presidential candidate only cares if they have set foot in that state during a campaign? I can’t wrap my mind around that.

      • lawyergal says:


        american here, and you are SPOT ON. like believe me, they meet a million people, they don’t remember any of you (unless you’re barack in which case you do because you are amazing and we never deserved him). and why is that so offensive to people?

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        For some reason Americans get very, very personal about their presidential candidates. It doesn’t matter to me personally, either, and I’m not saying it’s a healthy or constructive phenomenon, but they do approach it this way. The media doesn’t help: who do you want to have a beer with, etc. It’s always been a “kissing babies” kind of campaign and there’s a ton of personalization and projection, massive popularity/do you like me? do I like you? kind of contest, more so than at any other level of government for some reason.

      • Bazoo says:

        The thought is if a candidate doesn’t care enough to see your state and the conditions in which you live, why are they going to care once they get in office?

      • Aims says:

        Bazoo is right. If you are representing our country, you should make an appearance . Not because we’re a swing state, but because you’re asking for my vote and support .

      • Jezi says:

        Yes girl thank you! I don’t get that need either. Like Oprah Winfrey said “she ain’t coming to your house” but she was and is the best candidate. I don’t need to physically meet a candidate in order to know she deserved it or was the better choice. It’s called research and being a responsible American.

      • Kitten says:

        OMG yes. It is SO. F*CKING. CHILDISH.

        But these are the same people who think a POTUS has a responsibility to get them the job they want, so there ya go. Selfish, juvenile, petty….ugh.

        People should be giving their support and their vote because they believe in a candidate’s political platform, not because they did/didn’t hold rallies in their state once or twice.

        American voters–particularly in red states–always expect to be coddled and it’s f*cking ridiculous. Again, optics and never substance.

      • Aims says:

        Then why campaign ? If the feeling is, a candidate doesn’t need to go out into the public, speak to the voters , then why have an election ?

      • Snowflake says:

        Yeah, I don’t get that either. There are 50 states, can’t visit all of them.

      • littlemissnaughty says:

        @Aims, that is not what I was saying and you know that. I’m specifically referring to “She didn’t come to *insert random state here*” and the petulant reaction of “She doesn’t care about ME!” Of course they campaign. A campaign is like advertising. But in advertising I don’t need the Kraft people to come to my door and show me the cream cheese to know they want me to buy it.

        It’s not hard to come to a state and shake a few hands. Where is the message? Do you really think she cares more or less about the economy, the environment, civil rights, education, etc. because she came to Kentucky? And do we really believe that people like DT or Ted “I don’t know what the like button does” Cruz actually care about ANYONE?

      • Mabs A'Mabbin says:

        Thank you! The politics of “politicking” are as repulsive as our state of affairs. And I think all this disgusting behavior feeds off the other, mainting the chaotic, ineffective governance of our country’s past, present and the foreseeable future. It’s nothing but smoke and mirrors while each of us is force-fed their magic cure-all tonic sold from whistle-stop tours through their lying, baby-kissed lips.

        I’ll be yelled at for this, I know, but until the Constitution is amended, history is doomed to repeat itself. It is my personal belief that a one-party President will never move us forward. The facts being that too many talking points are too important to be ignored because of ideologies and opposing platforms. We can’t live in an “either/or” society. We can’t go forward by voting for a “this only” way of thinking. Right wing national security and infrastructure, etc. Issues have a place and should always be a concern. Left wing platforms are, without a doubt, the only way for a civilization to progress and HAVE to be soundly implemented in every governmental decision. Green party issues are extremely important. Nothing matters if the stage on which we’re fighting for collapses. Until we amend our governing body to include three or more prominent leaders to be the heads of our concerns, with sufficient numbers of representatives under each division, we will always be at each other’s throats.

      • Veronica says:

        “Why campaign?” is actually a very good question America should be asking itself, especially now. We have some of the longest and most expensive political campaigns in the world for our president. Why do we allow it to become a propaganda circus instead of the very serious voting responsibility it is?

      • Ally says:

        littlemissnaughty I fully agree with you and I felt the same way reading Aim’s comment. I actually have no idea if Hillary visited Indiana, and I don’t care. I will never know her personally. I don’t care if she comes physically near my city and I don’t have a need to see her or any candidate in person. I vote based on my political beliefs.

        I kind of enjoy seeing my city’s mayor out in the community interacting with every day people, but of course that’s entirely different than a presidential candidate.

      • Sixer says:

        Is it something to do with states and states rights and all that stuff? Or because the presidential election is separate to the election(s) for the legislature?

        Because this wouldn’t happen in the UK either. A candidate might get called lazy or out of touch if they confined their campaigning to TV interviews or speeches in London, perhaps. But individual areas wouldn’t get arsed if the person who might be PM didn’t show up near them, even down to countries in the union. So nobody would even notice if they didn’t go to Wales, for example.

        I know Americans can be touchy about the whole state thing but perhaps it’s because in the UK, we elect a legislature and a PM (who is merely a party leader) at the same time? So local areas will all get plenty of party-based campaigning.

        I suppose also, the campaign is SO ridiculously long, candidates have plenty of time to get everywhere. An entire election campaign is about six weeks in the UK and we don’t have the endless candidate selection before it either.

      • Erica_V says:

        This is such a ridiculous & selfish argument. I didn’t need HRC to come to RI to know that she would be the better candidate for the entire country.

        People will give any excuse they can to justify voting for Dump. Just own it. Just say “I voted for a unqualified con man because I’m an out of touch bigot.”

      • magnoliarose says:


        But the problem is some people do care. I could care less because my position on issues is definite and unmovable. I wish the whole thing was 90 days and then expectations would be reasonable.

        You can’t campaign on logic because it doesn’t work since some people simply aren’t logical.
        Skipping states is always a complaint in every election and knowing this as Obama did you need the local and state surrogates and a representative for the Western states, so she doesn’t have to go. Even a video messages would have gone over.

        It isn’t childish to me as much as silly but since it matters you have to do it.

      • paranormalgirl says:

        I don’t need someone to come to me and do something campaign mundane. I need to know what they will do when they are in Washington and that is what will get my vote. I was and am not a big fan of Hillary Clinton. But I knew hands down she was the best person for the job at that time against Trump. So she got my vote.

      • milla says:

        Its american thing. Also its a huge country and the media coverage is weird. Most of the time you have no idea whats going on in a state next to yours.

        Also, she got the actual number of votes. The voting system is weird and outdated. It screwed democrats before and her team should’ve thought of that.

        This is the biggest wake up call the states ever faced in modern history. Also this is all too scary and does not affect USA only but the whole planet.

        Also if you have dual citenship you are gonna face crap lìke never before. And you do not have to be black or muslim to feel that you are no longer welcomed.

    • Betsy says:

      Work for campaign finance reform. The fact of the matter is that they cannot afford to go where they will win.

    • Radley says:

      My beef being in a blue city in a southern red state is that Dems in general aren’t fighting for the south. The most populous areas are open to a progressive point of view. That’s half the battle. Build on that. Reach out. Make your case live and in person. Work for it. Hillary didn’t come here either.

    • CynicalAnn says:

      Yeah-I don’t understand this. Of course, maybe because I’m in California and we’re always blue-so nobody bothers campaigning here I don’t get that feeling of being “ignored.”

      • chermcherm says:

        I live in delaware. I’ll be delighted if people know we exist.

        Ill be buying this book and I wish people would give her a break. She’s aware of her mistakes, were aware of her mistakes, she’s definitely already paid for them. There are plenty of other reasons that she lost, comey, gerrymandering, male privelege, sexism, republican establishment, fox news, msm focusing on everything Trump id and false equivalencing the two, Russians, bernie/Trump bros, voter apathy, voter laziness (look up their platforms for yourself people before gobbling up everything you hear), voter fickleness (I don’t need her to drink a beer with me I need her to run my country, it’s not how I pick my doctors so it’s not how I pick my presidents), oh and WHITE PEOPLE.

      • CynicalAnn says:

        @chermcherm: yes, for sure it was a bunch of reasons. Really, really, really unfortunate reasons. I feel badly for her-but I feel way worse for all of us.

    • GreenTurtle says:

      Sorry you got attacked for expressing a view that wasn’t 100% pro-HR. People used to be civilized on this site, which I’ve been reading for over 4 years.

  6. Mermaid says:

    “The First White President” was brilliant. I’ve never been more embarrassed to be white or American. He is ripping this great country apart. I wonder if the voters in Texas and Florida who supported him still approve of him pulling out of Paris Climate. I was worried sick I have family and friends in Florida and a condo in Naples. But we did get the gift of Ted Cruz and his Twitter like this morning. Ha ha ha!!!

    • Aiobhan Targaryen says:

      The country was never together. The only thing he is ripping a part is the veneer that kept people from seeing the truth.

      • oce says:

        Perfect statement. Many of us already know what it feels like to be oppressed. The rest are now experiencing the bandaid being ripped off.

      • Alex says:

        Ding ding ding.
        This whole belief that trump is somehow magically changing America is so ridiculous. THIS IS AMERICA. America is inherently racist built on the backs of slaves and the deaths of the original natives here. Jim Crow ended 50 years ago. That’s recent. There are children of slaves still alive (one just recently passed). This racism in America or divide is not new. It’s engrained in the very fabric of society. I’m baffled that anyone that has cracked open a book or knows any minorities believe otherwise.
        America has always been this way.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        I would like to never again hear a politician say, “We’re better than this” or “This is not who we are.” This is totally who we are, and the sooner we acknowledge it, the sooner we can address it. Own your problems, America. Then get to work.

      • Mermaid says:

        I understand that feeling. I do think there’s been periods when we have come together, like after 9/11. I understand that this country has a horribly racist past and that Trump brought the underlying racism that still lurks in the hearts of his supporters front and center. But millions of Americans are kind and decent people. Look at the people helping one another in the hurricanes. Look at how Floridians took care of their animals during Irma. An aside here please Kaiser do a piece on the Miami Seaquarium and how they left Lolita the orca all alone during the hurricane.

      • magnoliarose says:

        The truth. Black people have always suffered in America from racism. Not one single day has America been tolerant or treated black people equally. They have to fight for every single right and respect. ALL THE TIME!
        Native Americans were given infected blankets, slaughtered and abused to take their land. Horrible things done to both groups.
        Ethnic groups come, and each one was discriminated against and demeaned.
        And then groups subjected to discrimination other groups.
        LGBTQ has had to fight for fundamental rights

        America has never been a tolerant country, and now the BIG LIE is exposed.

      • Moon Beam says:

        Racists have always been here, they went underground for a while and now Trump has emboldened them to come out, hoods off.
        When was America ever great? Sure we come together for each other in a crisis (for the most part) but it shouldn’t take a crisis to love thy neighbor.

      • Megan says:

        America exists because of white supremacy. If the early settlers hadn’t enslaved million of people the US economy would not have grown so quickly as to make the country a world leader in less than 200 years. Millions of European immigrants came to America to build better lives off of a foundation laid by slaves.

        The notion that America used to be great or things used to be better is ridiculous. America used to be worse, but we have a long way to go before we are better.

      • emma33 says:

        Trump didn’t change the US one bit, all he did was hold up a mirror and reflect it back.

  7. Aiobhan Targaryen says:

    First, that Coates piece was wonderful and people should read it. Some responses to it are typical “not all white peple” knee jerk reactions that prove an underlying point he and a lot of us tired black people have been consistently saying.

    On topic: She should keep talking. As soon as some smug liberal or conservative pndit tells her to shut up or keep it down, she needs to keep going. Why? Because she is obviously hitting a nerve. The more uncomfortable people are (mostly white people and few minorities), the better it will get in the long run. Complacency is no longer an option.

    At least she is trying to see things from different perspectives instead of some Bernie Bros who have the audacity to say out loud that voting was rigged. These are the same dumbasses who say and do nothing about voter suppression for minorities. For those people, voter suppression only matters if it is happening to them.

    I will never forget what she, Bubba, and Bernie and several others did in the early nineties to black and brown youths, but I will give her credit for acknowledging that it was wrong and even had an idea to make it better. No, she was not in office but she still was a public figure with a large microphone. Maybe forgiveness is down the road. We shall see what she does next.

    I will start listening to her audiobook sometime this week. I’m somewhat looking forward to it.

    • lightpurple says:

      I’m buying her book and I want her to keep talking. It is fairly traditional for presidential candidates to write books about the experience. She isn’t doing anything out of the ordinary but the backlash for it is rather unprecedented. She has a right to speak about her experience, to write about it, and to go on book tours and make money from it. It actually infuriates me that people are so upset about her doing what is normally done and telling her to shut up.

      And once she is finished promoting her book, I want her to keep talking. She has so much knowledge, so much experience, so much she can teach. Why would we want to shut that down? No, she isn’t going to run again but she can still help. She can still fight.

      • AMA1977 says:

        The people who are angry that Hillary won’t “shut up” are the same people who are angry that former President Obama has the audacity to get paid for public speaking. Like literally every single other former President in modern history has done. It’s because they don’t “know their place” and they are saying/doing things that make the old guard uncomfortable.

        Speak on, Hillary! I was proud to vote for you, and I appreciate your decades of service. I have hope that the next time a qualified female candidate makes a run at the presidency, she will be successful because of the trail you blazed. (Please let it happen before my four year-old daughter is old enough to vote…or at the least, to run!)

  8. oce says:

    I am a black female millenial, living in NYC, and grew up in NE Ohio (I still travel back often since Mom + Dad live there). I was in grad school, living in DC when President Obama won office. I was in disbelief that he could beat Hilary b/c I grew up in OH…, or that he could win the Presidency. I did not think our country was ready for a Black president. In 2012, I campaigned for Obama in OH for months, trudging through areas 45 mins southwest of Cleveland where CONFEDERATE flags are raised and people are living in trailer parks almost next door to wealthy suburbs. Everywhere had red stickers for Mitt Romney. I still knew Obama would win in 2012 b/c we had the numbers everyday, but I knew the country would pay for it one day based on the conversations I had with those people who voted for Romney. They were ANGRY, very very angry. The Trump Presidency is the payback for electing President Obama – I always knew Ohio would never elect Hilary – she doesnt stand for what we stand for, whearas President Obama’s sotry of turbulence and then triumph did resonate with old, young, blacks and whites, asians, Indians, everyone. This is why I didnt go home to campaign for her, which is why none of my parents friends campaigned for her. We didnt believe in her. #TRUTH

    • HadToChangeMyName says:

      But did you vote for her? Frankly, I didn’t think Hillary was a good candidate; but I knew that Donald Trump was a worse candidate. I told everyone who said “I can’t vote for Hillary,” then vote AGAINST Trump. He has turned out to be exactly like I knew he would.

      • oce says:

        Thank you – I did vote for HRC via my absentee ballot in OH. My parents voted for HRC too (and my siblings live in differ states and voted for her). But I went back to CLE the Friday before the election for the free Jay-Z concert (Beyonce surprise guest) for HRC and noticed 2 things: a) I thought Bey looked pregnant on stage (ahem!) b) When Bey announced HRC to come out more than 2/3 of the packed stadium got up to leave the venue in downtown CLE as HRC walked on stage. Mom and I looked at each other and said at the same time “HRC wont win here”.

    • Esmom says:

      She doesn’t stand for what you stand for? Lol. Well, congratulations to you and your parents’ friends for helping give us President Trump.

      I see the trolls are here already. Hillary really hits a nerve, doesn’t she?

      • HadToChangeMyName says:

        @esmom – oce clearly spent the time trying to explain why she feels the way she does; reducing someone to a “troll” because you don’t agree with what they have to say is just disgusting.

      • Esmom says:

        My apologies…I’m afraid I’m just skeptical after all these people came out of the woodwork last week with these “heartfelt” reasons why Hillary was a bad choice. I’m sorry but that’s just laughable and enraging to me that they think Trump was/is in any way a better option. Especially for the part of the country oce is describing.

      • lightpurple says:

        @hadtochangemyname, but she doesn’t. She explains why she thought Obama wouldn’t win there and why she thinks he did but all she says about Hillary is that she doesn’t stand for what they stand for, but doesn’t explain what that is.

      • Moon Beam says:

        Hillary would have been an Obama third term. I really don’t get why people feel the need to let us know they loved Obama and hated her. Yes I know she was brutal to him in the primaries in 08, but they patched that up and he knew she would be the best person to take over the job. Now we have literally the worst person ever to take over.

    • Aims says:

      I appreciate your honesty . I think your correct . I think this was push back to the Obama legacy, which is strange too me because by in large he is popular . I think we also need to get real here, Hillary Clinton is an unpopular person . The overall feeling regarding her is she’s dishonest and elitist . I’m being honest . If she really wanted to showed she cared , she would’ve stopped hanging out with the Hollywood crowd, stopped the endless campaign fundraising with the 20,000 dollar plates and actually spend time with average people and showed she gave a damn.

      That’s what really bothered me. I felt like my vote and my personal feelings were being held hostage . There’s no way I would ever vote for Trump. And I’m not going to explain why because it’s obvious . So my choice is Hillary , but I’m not feeling good about that either . So my hands are tied! This election was a nightmare on so many levels .

      • Esmom says:

        Here’s the thing. “The overall feeling regarding her is she’s dishonest and elitist” is the narrative that the right wing has been pushing. Not “the overall feeling,” or she would not have won the popular vote. Fake news seems to have gotten to you.

        Do you really believe Hillary would be destroying the country like Trump is? If you liked Obama, Hillary would have essentially been four more years of Obama’s policies. Again this false equivalency is what has us living this daily nightmare.

      • Aims says:

        I voted for Hillary , everyone in my life voted for Hillary . I don’t know anyone personally who voted for Trump. I want to make it clear .

        I cannot say with all honesty that I felt good about my vote . I stand by that. I felt inspired by Obama . I felt a connection with his upbringing , his hard work and success . I did not feel a connection with Hillary . I admire her drive, but that’s about it . What I do have a problem with is just because I fit in the demographic that would vote for Hillary, that you should take that for granted . What I do resent is because I am a woman that I should vote for a woman . What I do resent is being asked to do the hard work in electing someone by using my time and money and not ONCE have that person step foot in my state,NOT ONCE . That’s a bitter pill to swollow.

        So don’t tell me I’m buying into the Republican machine, when I have fought for over 20 years against it. My dedication to my party and to social causes are the core to my person.

      • Bazoo says:

        Aims, I have to agree with you on the point that Hillary was unpopular for the reasons you stated. I didn’t vote for Trump but I know a lot of folks who did because they didn’t trust Hillary and felt Trump was the lesser of two evils.

      • Ashamed 2 b a FL Girl says:

        “The overall feeling regarding her is she’s dishonest and elitist”

        But, there is literally no one more dishonest and elitist than baby fists.

      • Aims says:

        Correct. Which why I didn’t vote for him. Again , I voted for Hillary . I’m saying that the general feeling about Hillary is that she’s dishonest and Trump played that card beautifully to his camp.

      • BorderMollie says:

        Esmom, I agree with you. Sometimes we on the left get a little too dewy eyed and caught up in purity politics. There will never be a perfect candidate, government, party etc. because governing itself is full of compromises and give and take.

        I’m Canadian, and our country has an imperfect but still left-wing government right now. I constantly have to remind my liberal/progressive friends that this doesn’t mean our PM can wave a magic wand and cure all past and present ills, rather we put policies in place to gradually improve things. Obama did the same, and so too would Hilary have done.

      • littlemissnaughty says:

        @Aims, there’s that connection again. I understand it’s an American thing but … why do you need a personal connection? We (Germany) have elections coming up in less than 2 weeks. I don’t feel a personal connection to ANY candidate with a chance of winning (let’s be real, Angela will win) or anyone campaigning (such as they are). I don’t need that. I need these people to be better, smarter, more educated and hardworking than me. They want to run the country. I don’t care if I can relate.

        I’m a member of our Green Party. I give my money to them and I will SHANK them if they ever waste it on travelling all over the country just to say hi.

      • Aims says:

        Because like it or not , when you vote there’s also part of that person you either relate too or connect to on some level . I don’t know how politics are run in Germany . Here the people running to go on the late night talk shows showing that they’re funny or relatable in some way . They’re selling themselves to the American people . That’s why I said that. Do I think they need to be loved by all? No, of course not. But the people who run here bend over backwards to show they’re likeable .

        I don’t need to have a beer with my president . I need a leader who is mindful , smart stands for social justice and doesn’t cause harm to others.

      • Esmom says:

        Aims, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills…”I don’t need to have a beer with my president . I need a leader who is mindful , smart stands for social justice and doesn’t cause harm to others.”

        How does Hillary not fit that description? And if you’re speaking on behalf of others’ motivations, how the f&ck does Trump fit that description? He can’t relate normally to his own kids, let alone the average American. And he sure isn’t mindful or smart or stands for social justice.

      • littlemissnaughty says:

        I’ve voted for people I find smug and superior but who knew what they were doing and whose record told me they were the best for the job in my opinion (Steinbrück). Yeah sure, they try to be likeable but they don’t kiss babies and we don’t need them to. It’s the level of sucking up that they do in the US that is so ridiculous to me. I guess it’s the chicken/egg question. Do they do it because people expect it or do people expect it because politicians keep doing it? I think if a potential presidential candidate stopped trying to relate to the people, they wouldn’t make it past two weeks.

      • Moon Beam says:

        I know Trump went to all the right red states and swing states, and that the working class and blue collar set think he speaks for them, but this is literally a man who lived in a gilded park avenue penthouse, had a gaudy private jet, several trophy wives, and so on. He’s not some self made man either, he got a million dollar loan from daddy. We hate this guy in NYC. Always have, always will.
        Hillary and Bill worked got and education and worked their way up into being elitists (lol). Trump was a good campaigner, obviously, but that doesn’t really matter. He used that shtick to get votes. So ultimately it’s shtick and we need to get over it.

      • CynicalAnn says:

        @Esmom-but clearly she’s not alone in feeling this way, because here we are: Trump is President.

    • JustJen says:

      I grew up in NEO and still live here. I know exactly what you’re talking about. This past election has split friendships, people I thought I knew voted for Bigly and I can’t reconcile that with the person I thought they were. I’m not alone. My like minded friends and I made fun of Mittens, voted for Obama..but I have a few friends that I haven’t forgiven for writing in alternate names because they had doubts about Hillary, and now we’re in the 9th circle. Then I have acquaintances that I only speak to when necessary because they’re Trumpets. Because we’re both on PTA and I can’t not speak to them, but I know and they know I know, so we are not alike. I suspected that Ohio would not vote for Hillary, judging by our history of Kasich and Voinovich and others. The only thing that has changed is, people are seemingly less open about their “pride” and confederate flags. I used to see a few every year in the high school parking lot. This year I haven’t seen even one. **If it matters, I’m a white mom of a middle school kid, a SAHM, very liberal and very worried.

    • Kitten says:

      Aaaaaand this right here is merely one example of why politics in America is so awful, so embarrassing, so utterly ass-backwards.

      The average American votes for a POTUS based on personality; we vote for someone who’s “message” resonates with us and/or offers a story of hope.

      We LIVE for the rose-colored narrative but we don’t GAF about platforms or competence.
      We want the heartfelt story versus political expediency or effectiveness. Votes are too often cast with the intention of punishment or retribution towards the opposing party. This, in lieu of thorough examination of the issues and careful consideration of which candidate will most adequately fulfill our political and social objectives. Very rarely do we actually take the time to read about what a candidate can offer us and more often our vote is based merely on optics: likeability, charisma and superficial promises and platitudes, etc.

      It’s been like this for as long as I can remember, my entire lifetime going back to Dukakis.

      It’s depressing and frustrating, but it’s also at least partially what gave us 8 years of Obama, so any given election year, I guess it just depends on which side of the stadium you’re sitting on.

      • Veronica says:

        Americans’ tendency to vote on popularity stems from the same instinct that drives the superhero genre’s success: we want a hero to swoop down and save us, telling us they’ll take care of everything, rather than admit the reality of the work and responsibility entailed by true democracy.

      • Daphne says:

        @kitten there is a reason why people get to be liked because of their character if you do not have a good one you cannot obliged people to like just because you say so.Hillary Clinton has been in politics for 25 years but the only outstanding thing we know her for is being Bill Clinton’s wife (who happened to be a good president)and being a woman in politics not an outstanding resume imp.Yet more known for her scandals.So please respect those who do not like her and let them feel free to have their opinion.Thanks

      • littlemissnaughty says:

        @Daphne: Maybe those with that opinion should wiki her before forming said opinion? What scandals? Her husband’s?

      • Kitten says:

        @Daphne- You don’t like HRC because of what her husband did. Her “scandals” renders her political platform and political experience null and void to you. You perfectly exemplify the average American voter that I described so I guess thank you for so generously illustrating my point?

      • Esmom says:

        Daphne, I you think the only “outstanding thing” people know her for is being Bill’s wife you clearly haven’t followed politics or government or lifted a finger to educate yourself.

      • Veronica says:

        What the hell are you talking about? HRC has been a household name since the nineties. She was one of the most politically active first ladies in history. The woman was a lawyer for decades, spent several years as a senator, and then served a (relatively successful, despite the drama of Benghazi stirred up by Republicans) tenure as the Secretary of State for the last democratic president. She was by and large the most qualified person to ever run for office based on her resume. I cannot even with that kind of nonsense. Disagreeing with her politics is one thing. Suggesting she wasn’t qualified, on the other hand, is one of the most inane and misogynistic things I’ve ever heard. Unbelievable.

      • Em' says:

        @Veronica I am European and I have to admit that I am always baffled by America ‘ s obsession with heroes. I’ve always wondered were does this heromania find its roots

    • Jezi says:

      She may not be black but she is a woman and misogyny is hard to overcome as well. This is why I wanted her to win, this country needs to let go of racism, prejudice and misogyny. She was more than just a woman, she was an intelligent, well spoken, caring and strong woman. She would’ve made a difference and that’s what’s sad.

    • Scout says:

      Blaming a black man, huh? Interesting. #ThanksObama

  9. Barrett says:

    Very interesting. I really enjoyed her interview on cbs morning show this past Sunday! I sometimes wish she was more reflective though I think she could have run a campaign w more “connection”to people.

  10. Tulsi 2020 says:

    The next person who says thanks for letting us know is Trump’s number one fan.

  11. happyoften says:

    This election is going to be studied for decades. It was a hot mess of corruption, fear, hatred, misogyny, collusion… and Hillary STILL almost pulled it out.

    But yeah, spoiled whiny a** white people made sure the rest of us don’t get nice things. Because emails.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Considering stopping following a died-in-the-wool lefty that I know because he a) protests only in safe spaces with other white hippies b) brags about it incessantly c) still wishes Sanders was his president d) still thinks Clinton was corrupt (though he voted for her). I know it’s neither here nor there to follow or unfollow someone on social media, but I’m just tired of seeing this crap. I may call him out first, then leave.

    • Andrea says:

      My father who hadn’t voted for a Republican since Reagan, watches MSNBC religiously particularly Chris Matthews voted for Trump. My friend who has an African American husband and half black children voted for TRUMP. That’s why we are stuck with him. People hated Hillary sooo much more. I was disgusted both of them voted for such a person.

  12. seesittellsit says:

    The Guardian has an interesting column up on the book, and calling HC on her “comfortable white-collar worldview” and how she evades NAFTA, TPP by name, and wonders but doesn’t address why the former Party of the People no longer is, but is an accessory of chic liberalism for the upper middle classes, and just generally avoids any responsibility for being unable to soften or personalize her technocrat policy-wonk persona in the face of generalized rage about bailouts for Wall Street billionaires while wage structures went down the crapper and the working- and middle-classes footed the bill.

    As the Guardian column points out, “lectures” to the tune of $250,000 a pop to those Wall Street firms never come up in the book, either.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      She charged what the market would bear, so let’s not go back to those speeches that every other person in public life would make if only they had her opportunities, opportunities she earned from her years in public service.

      The Guardian is a left-wing British paper, they often do good work, but America’s ‘generalized rage’ was about race and immigration/xenophobia, and given the parallels with the Brexit campaign vote, they should know better.

      What’s more the data is in: people up and down the economic ladder voted for Trump. White people. And poorer people voted for Clinton. The Guardian has on its blinders.

      • Keaton says:

        Thank you. Every word you typed is correct. Whoever wrote that article in the Guardian sounds completely out of touch with what is really going on in the US.
        Xenophobia/immigration and racism had a HELL out of a lot more to do with the 2016 US Presidential election than Wall street bailouts. GMAB. The Trumpets do not care about income inequality and they do not hate rich people! They hate so-called “elitists” (read: smart people) and they fear brown people.

    • S says:

      Obama takes in $400,000 for his post-presidency speeches – no one is bothered by that.

      • magnoliarose says:

        You answered your own complaint. Keyword “Post”

      • seesittellsit says:

        @S says: actually, yes, people were bothered by Obama’s fees. It was covered and several leftwing journalists expressed disappointment with Obama for going down that route.

        I’m American. It is absolutely true that white people (including women) up and down the economic spectrum voted for Trump, and the poorest clung on to the Dems. But that didn’t hold across the board: West VA should have gone to Clinton, they are among the poorest, and they aren’t being overrun with immigrants. But after that ill-advised speech on coal, which was not false but could have been wrapped up better, West VA went to Trump. It should have been a shoo-in for Clinton.

        She has a great deal of baggage, and reporters on the road with her said they were shocked at how personally disliked she is outside of the coasts, but they underplayed it in their reports because they were afraid of being accused of giving space to misogyny.

        I’m not underestimating the reality of tribalism, reports of whose death are always greatly exaggerated, but for Clinton to lay all this completely at the feet of other people is just not realistic.

        Don’t forget what the Dems did to Sanders, either, at the convention.

        The real trouble in America is the concentration of one kind of person or another in geo areas – liberals are not spread across the country enough to change those areas. It’s a divided country just the way Britain is in many ways.

  13. AnnaKist says:

    I’m going to order her book, and can’t wait to read it. She’s right. I still can’t believe how many (white) people here in Australia think your creepy orange moron president is the greatest thing since sliced bread – even people I know and once respected as being intelligent, humane people. I guess they’ll also be writing “No” when their form for the gay marriage plebiscite arrives… Yes, we’re still dithering on this issue.

    • Amy says:

      Hi AnnaKist – as an Australian currently living overseas (I only mention that to note that I’m not “in the thick of it” day to day anymore), your post really surprised me. Based on my friends’ posts on Facebook, I don’t know anyone who supports Trump (despite some having previously claimed that if they were American, they would lean towards being Republican) and know almost no one who will be voting “No”. This is despite a significant portion of my friends being Liberal voters. Besides morons like Pauline Hanson and co, who tends to support him?

    • Brunswickstoval says:

      @Annakist it’s interesting as as an Australian I dont agree from my experience anyway. I don’t know one single person who thinks anything other than orange hitler is a complete whack job ruining the safety of the planet. As for the marriage plebiscite that’s an utter joke. Why SSM is even open for debate is beyond anyone I know. Bigots just love something to hate. Makes them feel bigger.

    • emma33 says:

      I’m an Australian and my brother-in-law’s family support Trump. I couldn’t believe it when my sister told me!

      I also remember listening to talkback callers on Jon Faine’s radio show (on the ABC) the day after the election result, and I couldn’t believe the string of guys who rang up talking about how great it was that Trump won. They were all talking about political correctness, left-wing liberals and academics. (Academics!?) It was bonkers, but it was real. Trump speaks to every conservative male who feels like he can’t be racist and sexist whenever he wants. (That was my take-away anyway).

    • AnnaKist says:

      Emma33: you’re right. It’s mostly white males who seem to think that Trump speaks to and for them. And Pauline Hanson supporters. They’re constantly on commercial talkback radio, which is why I avoid it.

      As for the SSM plebiscite, it is totally ridiulous and a waste of taxpayer dollars. To complicate matters, we now have the “No” voter ads. I believe in free speech, and that means allowing opinions that are nasty, offensive etc. What I don’t agree with, especially with these “No” ads, is that these particular opponents of SSM are misleading people by mixing in another unrelated issue, the Safe Schools Programme with the SSM matter. They are either doing this deliberately to scupper the poll, or are completely ignorant of the two issues.

      Amy: You are lucky to have enlightened friends on Facebook. I don’t have FB, and never have I been more glad! My daughter is regularly schooling people on FB re these subjects. One of our local businessmen has been after her for months. She’s known him for years, but only recently discovered he loves tRump – she says that’s a deal breaker… I know many people, male and female, who will vote “No” when their form arrives. Their reasons are: “it was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve”, “God hates homosexuals”, “what about the children? They deserve a mother and a father – nothing less”, “they’ll teach kids to be gay and/or transgender in school and normalise it”…

      Thank you for the links, Tulsi.

  14. Elle says:

    I’m white but I grew up overseas on an army base where I never really learned to see color as a defining quality because your rank and merits were more important and there was such a diverse population of people on my base, from all over the world. I didn’t grow up with an American understanding of race-relations and have never been inclined to judge a person by the color of their skin.

    However, that doesn’t matter in this age of identity-politics, does it? Please don’t call me an “angry white” (people keep saying that with absolutely no sense of irony). I’m only pointing out that not all white people should be painted with the same brush and assuming you know and understand my life experiences and the way I view race based on the color of my skin is…ironic to say the least. We live in the country that affords EVERYONE the most liberty, freedoms, and opportunities in the world. Let’s start working on making it better instead of lamenting the past.

    • Veronica says:

      You do realize that POC in America live in a world that is deeply informed by the prejudice of the past, right? If you aren’t subject to it or can’t see it, that is a sign of your privilege. Being white is not a character flaw; it is, however, a responsibility to recognize how your whiteness benefits you in societies where white supremacy exists. You can’t have a non racist society when racist institutions are still in place. You can’t move on to form a better society without acknowledging those problems in the first place.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        What’s more, differing perceptions of people by skin colour aren’t always conscious. There’s a deep body of research into implicit bias – bias that’s unconscious but still shapes our reactions and our actions. Healthier to admit to it and take action to be more fair, be a better advocate, and vote in better leaders who will make policies and laws that eradicate racism and its pernicious effects throughout society.

    • Kitten says:

      “We live in the country that affords EVERYONE the most liberty, freedoms, and opportunities in the world”

      ^^Sorry to be the one to tell you this but your entirely problematic outlook on race is based on this lie right here.

      • Elle says:

        Ok, so, no matter what, I’m racist? Even if I’m not? And I keep seeing this argument about “racist institutions”. Please name one? I’m happy to rebuke with actual facts and statistics if you care to listen to other viewpoints. Or you can continue to use vague, political platitudes.

        And yes, this is the best country in the world in that sense. Please provide me with an example of a more tolerant and progressive society. Oh, and with one caveat, it must be a country that is successful in those endeavors.

        No country or group of people will ever be perfect and I understand the need to acknowledge and address past injustices, but you will achieve nothing by diviciveness and alienating the majority, most of which would love to be allies for change and progress but are written off immediately BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN. I don’t know how you define problematic but…

        Also, I hold several degrees in political science, public administration, statistics, and public health services. I’m ready to have a real, fact-driven (unemotional and open to differing viewpoints) debate if anyone cares to engage.

      • Shambles says:

        We live in a country that was built on the backs of slaves, on the stolen land of Native Americans. Racism is an inherent part of our nature, and that must be acknowledged. First there was slavery, then Jim Crow, then segregation, then discriminatory housing practices, and racially motivated police violence. Our country was built on the idea that as long as white men stay in a class above black men, they’re doing okay. That toxic notion still resonates in everything we do today. Our capitalist society is designed to give white people the leg up just by virtue of being white, and then punishes POC for being unable to bridge that gap that they did not create. The heirarchy of our country is inherently racist. If you’re white, no matter what, you benefit from that racist system. If you’re not doing something to dismantle the system of racism in this country, you are participating in it. It’s a hard pill to swallow. It doesn’t mean you’re a bad person. It means you have responsibility.

        Also, you keep insinuating reverse racism, with all of your “BASED ON THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN” comments. Acknowledging that all white people are privileged and have a responsibility to confront the ways their privilege harms POC is NOT the same as racial discrimination against POC. Nowhere near. Stop.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        First, any public health program worth its salt would teach – and emphasize -
        race-based health/health-care disparities.

        Second, the US is not holding up by most important measures. Here, statistics.

        Third, the majority of white people would not “love to be allies” because if they were allies we would not have the kinds of systematic oppression and voter suppression (by race) that we have in America. *Someone* is doing the oppressing. What’s more it is not the job of the oppressed to not “antagonize” them.

        Fourth, white people voted for the racist Donald Trump in great numbers.

      • Kitten says:

        If you have to ask me to name several racist institutions then I can bet that you and I won’t have much of a conversation, despite the fact that you have *all the degrees* (eye roll).

        But I’ll humor you and give you a brief list: the education system is a racist institution, the health care system is a racist institution, the prison industrial complex is a racist institution, the electoral college is a racist institution, our law enforcement agencies are a racist institution….I mean, need I go on?

        And yes, as a white person who benefits from the inherent privilege that your race affords you, you have a responsibility to be aware of these things. It’s not my job or anyone else’s to educate you about systemic racism or racist institutions. Simply read the latest article discussing a gerrymandered state or watch the latest vid that Shaun King posted of an unarmed black man getting gunned down by law enforcement.

        Seriously it takes more effort to NOT know about these things in today’s age of social media, cell phones, internet etc.

      • Veronica says:

        What are your sources to support your claim that America is not a racist country with supremacist institutions? I honestly want to see because what you are saying is in direct contradiction to the majority of data we have compiled in both socioeconomic and psychological research academia. I have multiple degrees under my belt and more than ten years of hospital/social work experience. I know my way around a good research paper, so feel free to link a few.

        No country is perfect, but every country can be better. Every country has historical baggage. The existence of social ills elsewhere doesn’t erase the need to address problems within our own society. Whiteness is not inherently racist. It is the source of white privilege in Western society, but not prejudice. The choice to ignore actual discrimination or actively engage it is what constitutes racism.

      • @elle ” I keep seeing this argument about “racist institutions”. Please name one? I’m happy to rebuke with actual facts and statistics…”
        A) judicial system: where minorities are routinely found guilty of crimes that would be dismissed for white counterparts and get harsher sentences
        B) public educational system: ” where black, Latino, and Native students routinely test much lower than whites, asians and other model minorities and are disproportionately placed in special ed classes
        C) Employment Opportunity : POC routinely get overlooked for jobs and promotions. They earn less than 65% of white males
        Those are just three institutions please do dispute.

      • Syvli says:

        @Elle, literally every single police department in the country is a racist institution. HOW DUMB ARE YOU?

      • thaliasghost says:

        Canada, New Zealand, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands.

      • Chelsea says:

        Elle, America is an extremely backward country. People don’t have the freedom to go outside and not have to worry if the person standing next to them is carrying a gun because the right to own guns is more important than human lives and safety. Also, your country doesn’t have actual adequate first world health care. My own country, Australia, has a way to go to be perfect, but Australia, NZ, the UK, Canada, Denmark, Switzerland etc etc etc are worlds ahead and make America look 4th world.

    • littlemissnaughty says:

      Uh, I’m not American and even I have to side-eye that. You think there is no racism in the armed forces??? Like there is no sexism and misogyny?

      You confuse the idea of America being the greatest country with the facts. Name one area (not the military) where the US is no. 1. Certainly not education, equality, childcare, or health care.

    • Moon Beam says:

      WHITNESS is a system deeply ingrained in America. It will take decades, and possibly centuries to overturn it. The country built itself on chattel slavery. Northern founding fathers had to make deals and exceptions to appease their fellow southern founding fathers. Human beings were sold at auction and inspected like livestock, written down in ledgers as property. Even after slavery was abolished, Jim Crow raged on and on. The civil rights movement was fought not long ago. Black people have to fight stereotypes that they were forced into by white flight, self segregation and the epidemic of crack cocaine (and now heroin). It’s not about “not seeing color.” It’s about breaking down a system built to favor those with less melanin in their skin.

    • magnoliarose says:

      Elle, you have to realize all of the American slogans of greatness only apply to white people. Our anthem or squawking about liberty and justice is only about white people. It is all for white people. We can’t pretend life isn’t better in America if you are white.

      I don’t think I will ever get over Trayvon Martin because of the ugliness of the responses. They blamed this child for wearing a hoodie. They tried to frame him as a “thug”. His body sat in the coroner’s office for days because they stereotyped him. A fat ass racist chased him and killed him and got away with it. I wear hoodies, and if the same thing happened to a white blonde 17-year-old girl, the outrage would be global and maybe even legislation to change protocol. Not for him.

      It is gut wrenching to know we live in a country like this. Just think about how often it happens, and we never hear about it.

      Colin Kaepernick stood up for himself against racism by taking a knee and opting not to pay reverence to our racist national anthem. Absorb that for a moment. Our national anthem is racist:

      “No refuge could save the hireling and slave
      From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave”

      Now he can’t get a place on a team despite being a good QB. Because white people thought he should be grateful and not disrespect the anthem. What is missing at the end of the sentence is “boy”. But you know they are thinking it. Why would a black person feel allegiance to a country that treats them like sh.t but they are expected to defend it and love it. If they don’t then white privilege and rage comes for them like a tsunami and attempts to destroy them. White people are upset and offended and more concerned with that than the crux of his protest.

      Sports and the Justice system are just two institutional examples.

      It is hard to accept and hear, and the learning is sometimes confusing but to be an ally we have to dig in and deprogram ourselves. A significant change means trying to make life better for black people and pushing back hard on racism every time we recognize it and be courageous even if it is someone you love.
      We need to know the words to challenge white people that will open ears and minds. Shamefully, white people will take it more seriously if they see white people on board protesting and standing up so we should use our whiteness to help where we can.
      But we stand beside, and we take their lead.

  15. Rapunzel says:

    I’m reminded again of that article “F-ck you, Rural Elitists”. So sick of WWC acting like they’re special. What about working POC!? This why Bernie is such a POS in my book.

    Boo hoo to the WWC who feel “abandoned”. Y’all have abandoned yourselves by being ignorant, racist f-cks who will vote for your own destruction just to stick it to POC.

    • Betsy says:

      And they’ve been doing it for decades! The veneer just cracked off, as someone said upthread.

    • kibbles says:

      You’re misinformed and your way of thinking won’t win elections. Bernie knew that in order to win, the Democrats’ message has to resonate with the white working class. That’s not to say that Democrats should promote policies that benefit only the white working class. Bernie has been promoting policies that would help all people, both POC and WWC. Whether you like WWC or not, they have been largely left behind by both the Republicans and Democrats when it comes to providing jobs, and affordable education and healthcare. Make no mistake this hurts POC, too. The Republicans win WWC on wedge issues and the use of immigrants as scapegoats for failed policies.

      Bernie’s broad appeal among WWC and POC, independents, Democrats, and even Republicans is a good thing. If Democrats want to win long term, they need to bring this country together on goals that would benefit both WWC and POC.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Why? She’s not hurting you, is she?

      Hillary Clinton is a brilliant, deeply accomplished woman who without vote tampering and Russian propaganda infiltration into the election would be president today — and a good one, capable as shown by her history of working with even an oppositional Congress. We would have a more moderate Supreme Court shaping the law of the land for the next few American decades.

      Never wish any good person to disappear. We need them. Without her voice, which voices will dominate our public sphere — voices like those of Steve Bannon, a fired loser who should never have been given a 60 Minutes platform?

      • Shocked says:

        The thing is, she’s hurting herself. “I’m with Her” just sums up why people dislike her. “I’m With You” would have been a better slogan. Trump will do his Trumpy Trumpkins nightmare nonsense until he either dies or quits, but she will continue to talk about herself, blaming literally everyone and every thing, rather than articulating her role in it (beyond just saying “I recognize my failures and work on them”). She lost because she campaigned poorly, and in the wrong states. She LOST states that Dems had previously won. Trump’s entire campaign focused on keywords like ‘America’ and ‘you.’ Every time he addressed any audience he was talking about his own accomplishments and then immediately explaining about how those applied to “you” and how they would change “America.” I cannot believe I’m even typing this, the absurdity of it all is crushing, because she DOES have the damn experience, and she would have prevented the inevitable WWIII we’re facing. At the end of the day, though, she lost because she did not lobby in key states. In our system of elections, it doesn’t matter how significant the margin of popular vote. All that matters in the end are those electoral votes. She assumed she had this one in the bag (and in fairness, the idea of her losing to someone like Donald Trump seemed like a hilarious joke at the time) and it cost her an election.

      • Shambles says:


        Nope. It’s f*cking amazing to me that people are still beating this dead horse, almost a year later. She lost because of white people. Please take the time to actually read “The First White President.”

      • Kitten says:

        “but she will continue to talk about herself, blaming literally everyone and every thing, rather than articulating her role in it”

        Have you read the book? Who is she blaming? People who have read the book have said that she takes full responsibility for her loss.

        Also, why the hell should she not examine and acknowledge the various issues that led her to lose?
        These things don’t exist in a vacuum and pointing to one simplistic (and as Shambles said, unsubstantiated) reason for her loss such as “she didn’t campaign in key states” glosses over the larger and more important factors. The machinations of Trump’s campaign were designed to prey upon white fears and phobias that ultimately ensured his win.

    • Kitten says:

      And I hope she keeps the annoying the hell out of people like you.
      Seriously, I hope she never shuts the f*ck up.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Also may I observe that “I wish she will go away” could be a sign of someone whose first language is not English, who has difficulty with English verb tenses? And isn’t this a translation error particular to a certain language family?

      Just curious. Given that we hear so much about paid trolls in Russia and all.

  16. lavn says:

    The truth is Trump spoke in racist dog whistles. . He appealed to the racism that has lurked in America and Faux News speaks the same dog whistles to their viewers.

    The sad part is so many people who could have changed the outcome of the Election stayed, home thinking Trump couldn’t win or just didn’t care and/or didn’t think America would vote for him with his racists, vulgar words against a handicapped reporter, women’s body parts and minorities. How anyone could have watched Trump for months and have stayed home is beyond me. His words scared the crap out of me.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      We can’t only blame people staying home. A lot of people were prevented from voting or from having their votes matter through gerrymandering, voter ID laws, too few polls/short polling hours (and related forms of voter suppression), hacked voter-registration rolls, broken machines, and more. It wasn’t solely “apathy.” And it was the Republicans being very good at getting turnout in key areas due to NRA mailing lists and evangelical churches.

      Please let’s stop assuming our elections are free and fair. They have not been for a while, and the Supreme Court undercutting the Voting Rights Act was the final blow.

  17. oce says:

    Thank you to those who understand what I am saying…
    @Esmom, I am not a troll. And you said this is a nightmare, which tells me you have been asleep. Right now is America’s reality brought to the front pages – these are things I have been seeing my whole life, personally in the US, through my international development work overseas, listening to the stories of my gay friends whose family members voted for Trump, or watching my brothers and my black male friends be pushed around in our society. This is our reality – it is not a “nightmare”.

    Again, I am not a troll. I am a black female American. HRC does not know what I go through. Her daughter is my age group yet does not know the struggles I have despite us living in the same city. I dont feel the Clintons have shown any semblance of trying to know what many people outside of elite circles have experienced. Did HRC go to Elyria, Youngstown, Canton, Dayton, E. Cleve OH and shake hands with my neighbors to hear their stories? See the conditions and delapidated buildings? These are MY feelings, and perhaps the feelings of some who did not bother to vote for her (irregardless of if they voted for Trump or not). The only way to change things is to understand where they are coming from.

    But I still voted for HRC and bought overpriced fundraiser tickets during NYFW hosted by Anna Wintour and Huma last Sept from college friends who run in those circles from our DC days. I thought it was a waste of money and time, but it was my way of supporting the Democratic party. It made me recall how 4 years ago I relocated to OH for several months to canvass for President Obama. That is THE difference – President Obama inspired so many – his legacy of hope will NEVER be wiped away. Now the country is shook – hopefully they will look at the past mistakes and really strategize for the future. #EyesWideOpen

    • detritus says:

      I thought you said it well. And in the end, you voted HRC, despite your concerns because she was a better candidate.

    • Esmom says:

      oce, I’m sorry I called you a troll but seeing all these people who never post here go out of their way to trash Hillary had me upset. I hear what you’re saying and I heard what you were saying the first time you posted…up until you said “she doesn’t stand for what we stand for.” I’m not understanding where you get that…and how people thought/think that Trump — or any other candidate prior, in the primaries, for example — somehow does. I feel like people bought into this narrative that Hillary is some out of touch elitist without lifting a finger to try and find out what she does stand for, which is eons beyond what Trump does, which is nothing, basically, but himself.

      And another thing, to you and all those others who found Obama so inspiring, how did you/they not realize that Hillary was the person who would help protect and uphold what he built and not tear it down? It just doesn’t compute.

  18. robyn says:

    Unlikeable, unlikeable, unlikeable … that’s what media and conservatives have been pushing down everyone’s throats since the beginning of time it seems when it comes to Clinton. They can’t seem to bring up her name without reinforcing that narrative. In reality, she is most certainly likeable and more importantly smart and dedicated to public service, especially when contrasted to Trump. But sadly, white men and women in America are partial to white men in power no matter how despicable the man.

  19. adastraperaspera says:

    Ordered the book early. Can’t wait to read it. At first I was exhausted at the thought of her bringing it all up again. But Trumpkin and his surrogates are out in force every dang day– working to change laws and shouting their propaganda from the highest hills. What was more disgusting than the sight of Sessions giving his filthy anti-DACA speech? If Hillary captures the news cycle for a couple weeks, good on her. Dems had a positive platform (the most progressive in history). Against the lies of the GOP and the headwinds of Russian interference, Hillary still garnered 3 million more votes. I hope she stirs it all up. I hope she calls out white people for their racism. I hope she targets the Cheeto for his sexism. I hope she says whatever she wants to. You can see how much it hurts the Trumpkins by watching the haters and bots come out in force. They are afraid of her perspective. I’m all in for watching her trouble the waters. This country needs a reckoning, and who else has the power and platform she does?

  20. There is no such thing as a clean politician! Don’t worry Hilary, we know Bill wouldn’t have gotten that far without you! Sometimes there’s a reason beyond your foresight for why your life seems out of your own hands. You can do everything right and get so close to your dream, yet it all falls apart.

    When the people you elect into office prove they hold very little power, you get scared! When the internet reveals to you the evil truths of those in power, you get angry! Let our fear and anger be used to protect the good ones trying to get ahead to play “chess” with these one percent. But also don’t forget your own individual power! Speak up around you when you see something wrong, be openminded when others talk, take control over your own community and get strong. If we break it down to the community we have a shot. Humans can unfortunately go through a lot, remember we’re stronger together than divided. There’s always time to change, please be bold and be that change!!!

  21. Keaton says:

    One of the biggest takeaways I have from this election is that the Dems need to prioritize nominating someone who can be inspiring and who has an accessible personality over nominating someone with specific knowledge and concrete plans. It’s more important for them to be “clean” (not just in terms of personal flaws but risky or controversial votes or policy decision-making) than if they have concrete valid real-world experience.
    Republicans fall in line and vote as ordered but apparently the people who identify as Dems disproportionately need an emotional hook to show up at the polls. :/ It makes me nuts and I want to shake the people who whined about HRC’s likability but the facts are the facts. :/

    Having said that, Dems need to get past the idea we’ll get another Obama. That man was a once in a lifetime politician and we’re unlikely to get someone that matches him again.

  22. Planet Earth says:

    Clinton didn’t “call out” Trump supporters but she insulted and shamed them subtly. She should have offered them hope and safety and prospects but instead she just shamed them aka “called out”.

    Btw. it isn’t just “white people” who crave hope and safety and prospects and pursuit of happiness but pretty much all US-Americans, don’t they? So why wasn’t there more talk about how to achieve that for the bottom 99 per cent? A lot of US-Americans are left behind to the point of falling below the poverty line. What about them? Clinton didn’t offer much to them and never intended to. She tried to appeal to liberal people who consider themselves middle-class and feminist and modern and rainbow-coloured (with regards to sex and gender) and all such things. She would have started more wars. And you must remember that there are lots of kids whose only career prospect is the army. And the parents of these kids don’t like the idea of more wars because they don’t want their children to die in some desert in the middle east.
    When Clinton suggested that she would make a lot of people unemployed (charcoal mining) in order to do all things environmental – did Clinton ever think about how that sounded in the ears of people who depend on charcoal mining for employment? It would have been so easy to devise economic plans for a less economically drastic solution: buffered shift away from charcoal mining and into modern technologies. Other countries didn’t just kill their charcoal mining sectors but they organized the decline in order to prevent mass unemployment and in order to support new economic development in those former charcoal mining areas. (It worked well for Germany and it ain’t no secret.)
    This kind of no-matter-the-costs and over-the-heads-of-ordinary-folks attitude of Clinton didn’t win her any supporters.

    All these people were subtly shamed and were redneck-ed hillbilly-ed by Clinton.
    So these people voted for Trump.

    • robyn says:

      Imo Trump supporters SHOULD be ashamed. He won with all the worst qualities we teach our children not to have, including race-baiting. I find his enablers even more despicable than he is because he would be nothing without them.

    • Aang says:

      The coal mining industry has been in decline for ages. And thousands of dangerous jobs at the expense of the health of not only the workers but the millions who are poisoned by the toxic byproducts? Sorry coalminers. Time to find a new trade. The people who live in the coal areas do so because when the economy changed and bypassed them in the 1700 and 1800′s their ancestors got their asses on a boat, sailed across an ocean, trecked to the frontier and started over. They didn’t stay in Scotland or wherever and whine about how technology made them redundant, and how the world should stop progressing because they didn’t want to change. And they sure as hell didn’t blame Mexicans. These people can leave the “holler”, retrain, and start over. They deserve to be rednecked. And 1/2 my family is from Appalachia so I know what I’m talking about. And lots of Rick whites voted for him too. I presume because they are greedy, racist, misogynist, or all three.

      • Planet Earth says:

        18th century coal mining? Ever seen 18th century coal mining? Try 19th century and we are talking industrial mining.

        Sorry but if politicians don’t manage such a shift from coalmining into other sectors then you have millions more unemployed for a few decades. This is exactly what happened in the north of Great Britain under Margaret Thatcher’s turn as prime minister. She didn’t give a … about the mining sector and she didn’t manage the shift. As a result unemployment in the north of GB is still a lot higher.

        Frontier? Seriously? That was the agricultural age. Not the same as today: Industrial Age.
        Your argument about blaming unemployed miners of the (post-)industrial age is unfounded as their situation doesn’t compare to the first settlers/frontier/farmers in the agricultural age. Back then it was agriculture as a defining element of any national economy. It requires far less investment and far less technology than today’s modern industries. Today you need a whole lot more education and technology and investments in order to turn around the lives of former mining sectors. You just blame them for not having any of that and that simply doesn’t work as an argument.

    • Kitten says:

      “She should have offered them hope and safety and prospects”

      Why? Why should these poor precious snowflakes be coddled? Did you even read the Atlantic article?

      “If anyone should be angered by the devastation wreaked by the financial sector and a government that declined to prosecute the perpetrators, it is African Americans—the housing crisis was one of the primary drivers in the past 20 years of the wealth gap between black families and the rest of the country. But the cultural condescension toward and economic anxiety of black people is not news. Toiling blacks are in their proper state; toiling whites raise the specter of white slavery.”

      Blacks overwhelmingly vote for Democratic candidates. They overwhelmingly voted for Clinton. Black Americans undeniably suffer the most from a rigged and racist system yet they didn’t require hand-holding and soothing words to get them to vote blue.

      Gah. So effin sick of this tired-ass narrative painting selfish whites like hapless victims.

  23. Erica_V says:

    Where is the lie tho?

    I blame the 53% of white women some who voted in according to what would be the least controversial with their husbands & friends. I blame the 63% of white men who “couldn’t vote for a woman”. I blame the 1% of write ins (like people who voted for Harambe – f*ck you especially). I blame the 5% of people who voted third party.

    Lastly – I blame the 47% of registered voters who stayed home and did absolutely NOTHING expecting others to do the work for them, who thought their vote “didn’t matter” and who didn’t want to “get involved” in politics.

  24. Aang says:

    I’m not sure why the Coates article surprises anyone. I had a sinking feeling that she would loose because no way were the white men going to stand for a woman president after the indignity of a black one. Same goes for the self hating white women somehow threatened by Hillary’s success, who know that their second tier status depends on white men staying on top. But I was also afraid Obama wouldn’t win, not because he was black, but because his wife looked “too black” to be First Lady, as I heard someone say. So I was hoping I was wrong again.

  25. Daphne says:

    Everytime this woman is around her fans come out forcing us to follow their opinion like it came straight from God’s mouth.The simple truth is this woman is unlikeable wether her fans like it or not.The truth is she is an entitled woman who rides on others curtails to succeed.Because she is a woman and has been in politics for ages does not make her more qualified than others if not we should vote for any female politician that presents herself.To compare her to trump is besides the point we could also compare her to other politicians and we could argue she is less honest so from that deduction Bernie Sanders should have been the one running.Your arguments is that she is efficient none of that has been proving with facts apart from how she presents herself.If she is so efficient what happened to her as Secretary of State where was her efficiency then.Why was she plagued by scandals.The media does not get their ideas from thin air they have opinion polls and this is the opinion of many unlikeable and dishonest but since her rude fans who have to insult everyone who does not agree with them even going as far as calling them trollsthey disregard others opinion.Here is a statistics Hillary is more unpopular than Trump for many and they blame her for her loss but I guess her fans who think they are bestowed with special intelligence and have more insight than most(only in their heads)will disregard this and say most people are crazy.Well they say feminism is the problem but Condolezza Rice was liked by most she was a woman and a minority.Barack Obama got elected despite being black and one day a woman shall get elected in America.So fans of Hillary Clinton if the majority think Hillary is unlikeable then she is if they think she is to blame for the election then she is.Just because you do not see it does not make it anymore the fault of others like you want to say instead of asking others to change their mind about Hillary asks yourself why you cannot see the truth about her.The problem is not others the problem is you Hillary Clinton and her fans so do everyone a favor and go away and do some real introspection and ask yourself why is this happening instead of shifting blame for left to right.If she was at peace with herself she would have gone but she cannot because the truth is she is fake and dishonest.There is a saying if you have a problem with many you are the cause so her fans you can live in disillusion that you are the voice of reason and insult those with a different opinion but the truth shall never change no matter how much you try to shift it to fit your own perspective she is dishonest and unlikeable to the majority even those who voted for her.

  26. Jenn says:

    Great interview. So Much respect for Hillary. She’s not perfect but she’s still great.

  27. Scout says:

    Hillary after the election: she’s hurting the cause by hiding out in New York, where is she? Does she not care about America?! #BERNIERULEZ
    Hillary emerges to talk about the election: Oh shut up, you lost, we don’t care what you have to say. #BERNIERULEZ
    Hillary responds to Bernie Sanders spending the past 10 months talking about her and the election: We don’t need this right now, why is she doing this? Why is she so obsessed with Bernie? #BERNIERULEZ
    Hillary comments on Russia hacking the election – the biggest story in modern day politics: Get over it, Hillary! You didn’t go to WISCONSIN! This is all your fault, no one cares about Russia and the election, take responsibility for once! #BERNIERULEZ
    Hillary takes responsibility for losing the election: Bernie doesn’t need to take responsibility because he never makes mistakes! #BERNIERULEZ
    The FBI relentlessly investigates Hillary over her E-mails while Jane Sanders is also under investigation by the FBI for fraud: Lock Hillary up! FREE JANE SANDERS! #BERNIERULEZ

    • Kitten says:

      NAILED. IT. Perfection, Scout.

      BTW I had a blow-out fight last Fri with my BF about Bernie.
      Seriously Bernie is the ONLY thing we ever fight about.

      And I was REALLY trying to avoid discussing the excerpts about Bernie because I KNEW it would escalate into an argument, but of course he had to go there.

      He started with “Hillary is blaming Bernie and everyone else again” and ended with “Bernie didn’t even bring up her husband during the campaign” before I blew up and had to leave the room. I mean, I seriously cannot anymore. So now we’re supposed to be applauding Sanders for not blaming Hilary for her husband’s infidelities? Wow what a stand-up guy!
      Oh, And she wrote a couple innocuous paragraphs about Bernie in a 516 page book.

      I am SO. F*CKING. SICK. of the *Saint Bernie* political purists. And the craziest thing is that I used to strongly dislike Hillary. I couldn’t wait to vote for Obama and thought a Clinton presidency would be another dynasty. I even voted for Sanders in the 2016 primary–but his supporters have become insane. I told my BF that it’s based on pure fanaticism and I HATE fanaticism whether it’s towards an actor, an athlete, a politician whatever. I detest fanaticism because it’s dangerous in that it prevents people from thinking critically.

      JFC my BF can’t even admit that Sanders made a terrible mistake running on the Dem ticket. This is a man who has spent his entire political career complaining about a two-party system yet ran on a major party ticket, assuming that he would get their vote.
      And the hypocrisy of these people over a year later blaming the DNC for Bernie’s loss while complaining that Hillary “blames everyone else” for her loss last November…just so sick of this sh*t.

  28. She needs to be humble. Millions of white people didn’t vote for her either. I voted for Gary Johnson because I didn’t trust her and I loathed Trump. If she had of let Bernie get the democrat canadacy, or even Joe Biden, we would still have a democrat president. Because she wanted to be president so bad she lost all her humility and to me she comes off as very presumptuous. I don’t see how so many of you like her. She was a horrible choice for a candidate. If you want to blame anyone for losing, blame the registered democrats that voted for Trump because they refused to vote for her. Blame the MILLIONS of people who refused to vote altogether because they hated both candidates. She is always wanting to blame someone, when you point you have 3 fingers pointing back at you. Your failures, Hillary’s failure to win, was HER fault, not anyone else.

    I know many are still bitter about it and trust me I was sitting on the couch in shock election night right there with you, but we can’t continue to play the blame game when it’s clear at the end of the day Hillary lost because of Hillary.

    • Scout says:

      You were shocked she didn’t win… after you voted for her not to win? And you have no accountability? LMAO. Barack Obama gave Bernie Sanders a road map on how to beat Hillary but Bernie failed, HARD. How about Bernie takes accountability for running a failed campaign?
      You voted for Gary Johnson – do you blame him for losing his campaign? Speaking of bitter, you seem bitter enough for all of us so carry on.

      • Keaton says:

        “How about Bernie takes accountability for running a failed campaign?”

        This really needs to happen. It’s more important to the Democratic Party to analyze Bernie’s flaws that lead to his loss in the 2016 Dem nomination fight than HRC’s flaws that lead to her loss in the 2016 general election since he is going to run again and she won’t. Like I said in another post, the analysis is assbackwards.
        I’d give the theory the nomination was stolen from Bernie more credence if the race had been closer (like say the 100K margin in 3 states that flipped it for Trumpy) but HRC trounced Bernie by over 3 million votes. I know conspiracy theories are all the rage now due to the Trumpy/Alex Jones crowd but progressive Dems are supposed to be more logical and rational than that.

        Also she didn’t force 3,000,000 more people to vote for her over Bernie Sanders and she didn’t force Joe Biden to stay out of the race @Southern fried. Moreover, why wouldn’t she run in 2016 after she’d come within a hair’s breadth of winning in 2008 (Obama got 17,535,458 votes while she got 17,493,836 votes) and was practically the anointed successor of the extremely popular sitting Democratic President? Blame the rank and file Democratic party members because they are the ones that keep voting for her.

      • Daphne says:

        @scout I bet you never learnt logic in school everybody has accepted the defeat of their respectful candidates and assigned the blame to them and let it go but since Hillary Clinton cannot do the same and keeps shifting the blame we have to remind her of the truth since she seems to always forget it.

      • Esmom says:

        Daphne, we get it, you don’t like her.

      • Otaku Fairy says:

        @Daphne: I’m sorry, but a submissive racist Trump-worshipping bimbo with spelling and grammar as deplorable as yours has no business lecturing others on ‘logic’.

    • Planet Earth says:

      Hillary lost because of Hillary.

      Bernie lost because … reasons and one of them was that the establishment of the Democratic party did undermine his campaign. Which is why they refuse access to the servers of the Democratic party for this investigation about the alleged Russian interference in the election.

      • Veronica says:

        I really hate the sabotage argument. He had access to the same funding. He had MORE debate time than any other primary candidate in the past decade. He had almost entirely positive media coverage. He had a massive online presence. Regardless of what the DNC was saying behind closed doors, it did not hinder his public profile. This narrative irritates me because it removes any responsibility on Bernie’s part to examine the flaws in his progressive message…and it unconsciously suggests minorities (who by and large turned out for Hillary) are idiots who can’t vote for what’s good for them.

        I didn’t vote for Hillary in the primary because my independent party designation barred me from the vote. My mother, on the other hand, did, and she had two very specific reasons for supporting Clinton: 1.) she felt a woman would do better at caring about protection of women’s rights than an older man (oh lol wish she hadn’t been so right about that), and 2.) she felt Sanders had a lot of nice ideas but didn’t provide a road map as to how he was going to accomplish any of it, especially with a Republican Congress to contend with. My mother is not an idiot. She wasn’t swayed by ~DNC propaganda.~ She watched the debates and came to her own conclusions. Ignoring the reality that people had legitimate reasons to prefer Clinton over Sanders is going to bite us in the ass in 2020. Progressives need to find a way to bridge the generational gap on these issues and start turning out for midterms if they want to see actual change.

      • Scout says:

        It’s wild how Bernie, a white man with all of the privilege in the world, failed spectacularly at a job that a black man managed to accomplish for the first time in history, 8 years ago. Every single day must be a chore living with such a persecution complex. Bernie lost, Bernie lost HARD.

        And if you really want to go on the “sabotage” angle – let’s focus on the one campaign that hacked into the other campaigns data system over 100 times in a 2 hour period. Such an oopsie moment by Team Sanders, the guy who committed such a major ethics violation got his arse fired but it was totally just an accident!

  29. why? says:

    During the WH press conference, Sarah spent the time trash talking Comey and Hillary. She said lied and said that Hillary ran the most negative campaign and she said that Comey lied under oath, should be prosecuted, leaked classified information, and that the King of Lies and Fake News was vindicated. Another GOP senator is going after Comey. Mueller needs to stop letting the WH staff interfere in his investigation. Mueller needs to look into what Sarah knows about Comey’s firing. I don’t understand why the WH reporters continue to attend her WH briefings. All she does is lie.

  30. Kelly says:

    I’m curious as to what exactly it accomplishes to keep bringing up the fact that white people voted for Trump. I’m not sure this is a disputed or unknown point. Please educate me on the reasoning for harping on this.

    • Veronica says:

      Because plenty of white people still don’t want to take responsibility for it. It’s Russia’s fault or it’s the fault of the DNC for undermining Bernie or it’s Hillary’s emails or it’s rednecks or -


      None of that is an excuse. Donald Trump never hid what he is. His very campaign was run on the ideology of utilizing minorities as a scapegoat for people’s problems. That should have sounded the alarm for anyone with basic decency that this man should have been kept out of office. The majority of people who voted for him are white. But the rest of us white people who voted against him are not off the hook. All of us took the status quo for granted. We all thought America was better than that. Well, now we know better – and we can’t forget it.

      • Kelly says:

        Actually if millions of white people voted for Trump I’m going to make a general assumption that they would take responsibility for their vote. If, as a white person who voted for Hillary, I recognize the fact that millions of white people voted for Trump, what does that accomplish exactly? I’m failing to see how “white people” taking responsibility accomplishes anything, especially if millions voted for him in the first place. My point is all this finger pointing does nothing to advance a more progressive agenda, it just serves to distract, alienate, and annoy. Isn’t unity of all people a more positive way to go?

  31. loveotterly says:

    I’m pretty sick of Hillary. I don’t know why some people blame everyone else in the world for Trump winning except her. I know many many people who would have loved to vote for virtually anyone instead of the two of them.

  32. why? says:

    “Fascinating to watch people writing books and major articles about me and yet they know nothing about me & have zero access. #FAKE NEWS!”-Trump

    This is coming from the man who said that Obama wasn’t born in this country, wiretapped Trump Tower, and colluded with the Russians. The King of Lies and Fake News is projecting again. He is tweeting about fake news when he sent Sarah Huckabee out to spread lies about Comey.

    You can always tell when things are bad for the Trumps because they start associating themselves with children. After the King of Lies and Fake News since Sarah out to spread lies about Hillary and Comey, the Trumps start announcing the birth of Eric’s son. How long before Ivanka starts tweeting about her kids or that she is pregnant to steal the spotlight from her brother?

  33. Jenn says:

    Hillary is the one who worked hard to get healthcare for millions of American kids. She secured that and wouldn’t shut up about that. She’s not poor but she doesn’t come from wealth. A lot of politicians become rich, even Obama now. Hillary suffered the discrimination of being a woman born in the 1940s. It’s not the same but it’s not Nothing. Women were second class, in every way. All women. Not as bad as women of color but still bad.

    My mom (a legal secretary) worked for a Black woman attorney who told her how Hillary went out of her way to be helpful with her in the beginning of her career for no reason. It didn’t benefit Hillary personally. That she was just a really good person who just genuinely cared about helping people.
    I just feel like it’s so sad that someone can actually be a good person but somehow between her personality, misogyny, and lies, this false story gets told about her like gospel truth.

    I’m African American woman and I, along with 92 percent of other African American women, voted for Hillary and I’m proud of that. If left to us she would be in there.

  34. Annetommy says:

    Great post Jenn. I think I despise most of all the 53% of white women that voted for trump. How any woman could cast a vote for someone with such open contempt and aggression towards them is beyond me.

  35. Melanie C. says:

    Okay, it’s time to get over the election. Seriously! Enough. She lost. Move on.

  36. hey-ya says:

    ….post election analyses showed that quite a few Hispanics bought it too plus sadly for Hillary so many African Americans couldnt be bothered with the cr*p she herself was shilling & stayed home rather than vote…still Hill can console herself that she will end up very very rich which as ‘Whitewater’ showed is all that really mattered ….jeez move on dear is what I say….

  37. Chelsea says:

    Isn’t the book a bit too soon?