Kim Kardashian got her first solo American Vogue cover – she and Kanye covered Vogue together in 2014, and obviously Kim has covered foreign editions of Vogue solo many times before. But this is her first solo cover for the American edition. That alone was reason enough for “Kim Kardashian” to trend on Twitter for much of Wednesday. But she was also trending because of what she revealed in the interview: she’s studying to become a lawyer. She’s wants to be able to take the bar exam in 2022. She is not required to attend law school, but she is required to study with and apprentice with lawyers, so that’s what she’s doing. It’s like home-school law school. You can read the full Vogue piece here. Some highlights:
Her goal of taking the bar exam in 2022: “I had to think long and hard about this,” she says. What inspired her to embark on something so overwhelmingly difficult and time-consuming was the combination of “seeing a really good result” with Alice Marie Johnson and feeling out of her depth. “The White House called me to advise to help change the system of clemency and I’m sitting in the Roosevelt Room with, like, a judge who had sentenced criminals and a lot of really powerful people and I just sat there, like, Oh, sh-t. I need to know more. I would say what I had to say, about the human side and why this is so unfair. But I had attorneys with me who could back that up with all the facts of the case. It’s never one person who gets things done; it’s always a collective of people, and I’ve always known my role, but I just felt like I wanted to be able to fight for people who have paid their dues to society. I just felt like the system could be so different, and I wanted to fight to fix it, and if I knew more, I could do more.”
Her first year of law school/study: “First year of law school, you have to cover three subjects: criminal law, torts, and contracts. To me, torts is the most confusing, contracts the most boring, and crim law I can do in my sleep. Took my first test, I got a 100. Super easy for me. The reading is what really gets me. It’s so time-consuming. The concepts I grasp in two seconds.” Sometime this summer, Kim will take what is known as the “baby bar” administered by the state; if she passes, she will be given the OK to continue for three more years of study.
Does she care that people think she’s vapid & shallow? “I don’t pay attention to that anymore. I love to be put in a situation where I can have a conversation with someone who might not be inclined to think much of me, because I can guarantee they will have a different opinion and understand what’s important to me after they’ve met me…. I made a decision to go to the White House when everyone was telling me, ‘Don’t go, your career will be over; you can’t step foot in there.’ And I was like, ‘It’s my reputation over someone’s life?’ Weigh that out. People talk sh-t about me all day long. It will just be another story about me versus someone getting their life back.”
Kim says Kanye has now accepted his bipolar diagnosis. “I think we’re in a pretty good place with it now,” she says and adds that Kanye has a newfound sense of purpose—to show that you can live a normal life with mental illness. “It is an emotional process, for sure. Right now everything is really calm. But we can definitely feel episodes coming, and we know how to handle them. For him, being on medication is not really an option, because it just changes who he is. Traveling a lot does set it off, so he doesn’t travel as much as he used to. But honestly, I never want to speak for him, because I am not in his mind. But I think some of the hurtful things that I read online . . . . What is she doing? She’s not stopping him. . . . Like it’s my fault if he does or says something that they don’t agree with? That’s my husband. I share every opinion that I have and let him know when I think something’s wrong. Or if it comes to him being in the middle of a bipolar episode, I’ll do everything to be supportive and help to calm the situation.”
She claims Kanye isn’t really a MAGA Deplorable: “He doesn’t represent either side. But he doesn’t want to be told what he should be. It can be confusing. I get it. The one thing that I respect so much is that he is who he is, no matter what anyone tries to tell him to do. I can be sitting there crying: OH, MY GOD! TAKE OFF THE RED HAT! Because he really is the sweetest person with the biggest heart. I stopped caring, though. Because I used to care so much. I was making it such an issue in our relationship. And in my life. It gave me so much anxiety.”
I’ll confess something: I didn’t read the tweets about Kim yesterday because I didn’t want the negativity to cloud how I covered this interview. I’m positive that people spent hours mocking her and belittling her and all of that. I can do that all day too, I can talk sh-t about her superficiality, her catface, her bad f–king clothes. But I won’t mock her for committing herself to getting an education or going back to school (of sorts) in her 30s. I’m genuinely impressed with what she’s doing. And she’s right about this too – people are going to talk sh-t about her no matter what. Why not genuinely work towards self-improvement? And spare me the educational gatekeeping or slutshaming of Kim Kardashian – yes, she’s famous for a sex tape and a reality show. AND? Why can’t she be a lawyer too?
I remember as a little girl flipping through my mom’s subscription each month and dreaming of one day gracing the cover of this iconic magazine. Thank you to the incredible Anna Wintour for your support as always, it means the world to me. pic.twitter.com/HNE0sSYUho
— Kim Kardashian West (@KimKardashian) April 10, 2019
Special thank you to my husband Kanye for speaking into existence that one day I would grace the cover of Vogue when everyone told me to be “more realistic.” #dreamsdocometrue #speakitintoexistence #voguemagazine pic.twitter.com/63TfbUXWfN
— Kim Kardashian West (@KimKardashian) April 10, 2019
Photos courtesy of Vogue.
Fair play. Self-improvement is always an admirable goal even if it is for someone who is seen as generally very vapid. I would love to have the time to do more studying and self-improvement. It does remind me a little of celebs talking about fitness / diet when they have time and money on their side.
She kreated a vapid image for business, but If she wasn’t somehow smart, she wouldn’t lasted that long and succeded.
You do realize that pimp mama K is actually the person behind why the Kardashians are still there or not Kim at all right.
I agree. No shade from me, whatsoever.
I was just thinking recently that Kim is one of the few celebrities I see who keep growing. So many people are stunted by fame and stop developing. But Kim always seems to be looking to learn more and do more. I was impressed with her involvement in gun control matters. Now she’s becoming truly involved in criminal justice, in a real way and not just slapping her name on something.
I think it’s pretty great!
I’m so excited for her. She’s making her father proud!!
Hahahahaha! I laughed out loud when I read this. Good luck to you Kim. It’s a nice thought and all but I will eat my computer if she can make it through law school legit, like without bribes to get in, bribes to get a better SAT score etc. Hahahahaha. She has been told what it takes to even get into law school? Hahahaha!
She does not have to go to law school. She is doing an apprenticeship instead, which allows you to sit for the CA bar.
Nope, as the article states (and as in reality) you don’t have to go to law school to become a lawyer. You just have to pass that exam (‘the bar’). Somebody below mentioned Lincoln becoming a lawyer without law school; I know Huey B. Long became a lawyer without law school as well.
We are not talking about Lincoln here. We are talking about Kim Kardashian. Do you seriously think without bribery there is any way in hell she could pass the bar exam?
@BeanieBean we are not talking a test to get a drivers license here. This is the fu%4ing bar exam.
NY and CA bar are notoriously hard to pass. JFK Jr took 3 tries in NY. I knew a person who could not pass the CA bar multiple times. He finally passed it in Hawaii so he can practice in federal court. He can’t practice in state.
It’s just a CA thing. And the CA bar is the most difficult bar in the country. It’s also the longest— 3 days. Good luck Kim, or whoever she pays to take the exam for her.
She can pay whatever shady lawyer she wants to study under. With her money, that will be simple. What isn’t simple is the CA Bar exam. Good luck sweetie LOL. This will never happen. She will quit long before the at LEAST three years necessary to study before being approved to take the bar. She will make up some excuse like “I got 100 percent on the baby bar, I’m super smart, but I’m going to focus my incredible energies elsewhere”.
Also, being a lawyer requires a ton of reading, on a daily basis. You’re not in court everyday in trials. Most lawyers never step foot in court. There at a desk all day long. She’s just another narcissist, like Trump, who believes money allows her everything she wants. Apparently she’s also a doctor and a psychiatrist because she has her husband’s admitted mental illness under control. Please
dear saint, tell us your ways so that we may help all the untreated souls suffering from bipolar on the daily.
I’m a lawyer myself. She’ll be a casual, pick-my-cases lawyer and do cases for media coverage for selected clients. She’s done criminal justice reform work and proven she cares about social justice somewhat so no shade there from me either. But if she practises, it’ll be like a hobby. Calling her a lawyer – insane billable hours, 100+ hour weeks – would be a stretch, just like saying Amal Always On Holiday Clooney is a high powered lawyer.
Replying to others, there are 3 states where you don’t need to go to law school, you just need to do an apprenticeship and pass the bar which is not an easy task. Apprenticeships are also insanely competitive. I am curious to how she will do, I don’t think she will pass the bar the first time.
My sister graduated from UC Berkley with honors, went to law school, and passed the CA Bar in one try. She also almost had a breakdown mid test! I’m not being that facetious; it is one of the hardest, most grueling Bars in the country (NY being the other). It is a 3 day/8hr a day test.
Good luck Kim. While you may have “street smarts” (and even that, I’m skeptical; PMK is more the mover and shaker in that family!), unless someone is going to give her the answers to memorize, I doubt this will happen. Can you just see KK trying to quote case law from memory? Yeah, me neither. Perhaps she should try for a college degree first.
As a lawyer, I have thoughts…….but am going to try to be nice and keep them to myself.
good for her for trying to learn more.
I’m married to a lawyer and he also had many thoughts lol.
The nicest he could say was “maybe she should start with a bachelor’s degree first.”
That thought was expressed in my law office several times yesterday.
You know, that was my first question too – how can she do this without having the pre-requisites? But then I read about the alternative path that’s legal in California, which is actually the way people (including Abraham Lincoln) became lawyers.
My Sweetheart has a GED but reads voraciously (right now it’s Craig Unger’s “House of Trump, House of Putin”) and quotes Chomsky – he’s one of the smartest people I know, but school just wasn’t his jam. I’ve worked successfully as a journalist and totally learned my craft on the street. Working at a technical college for 11 years doing job-development things and Sweetheart’s occupational path (he’s an Certified Arborist and Certified Utility Arborist) helped me realize that college is way less important to work than is having a credential that’s recognized in your industry.
For Kim Kardashian, that’s the bar exam. If she can pass it, she’ll be a lawyer. Whether that happens or not (and I suspect it will), Good. For. Her.
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Out of all the thousands of people taking the bar in a year, less than 100 do it via apprenticeships IIRC. It’s a very old school way of doing it, and the world has moved beyond those methods. Kinda like how people no longer apprentice to be a physician or do hospital diploma programs to be a nurse. If Kim really wanted this, I think she’d put the time and effort into getting a bachelors, then applying to law school. The path she’s chosen…well, to me it comes across as buying her way to the front of the line.
@Cannibell-I completely agree that credentials and work experience are hugely important. If you’ve been in an industry for long enough, people tend to care less about your level of higher learning.
PS-My BF and I are actually going to hear Chomsky speak tonight here in Boston. 😉
I’m confused. I’m all for education, but I don’t think she went to “college”? You can’t just skip ahead? Am I missing something?
@Goob – I wonder how many people even know that’s an option. I didn’t until I read that story.
In my job – I’m a librarian – there is a lot of discussion about whether the single credential – a master’s degree from an ALA (American Library Association) accredited school – should be the only pathway to the job. Along with being a major time commitment, it’s expensive, which is a barrier to a lot of qualified people who’ve been working for years and definitely have the knowledge and experience. Many of the people barred on account of this are people of color, and that is a problem in librarianship, which, at the librarian level, still skews heavily white.
@Kitten – how cool is that!!!?? Try and slip in a comment tomorrow about how it was and what he said.
This. Good for anyone who wants a higher education and I believe it should be available for everyone. But this seems irresponsible to me, as many young people still look up to (or at least at) her and she shouldn’t be play-acting law school. You can’t just take torts and take the bar and call it a day. You cannot be a lawyer without a bachelors and then a law degree, from accredited universities (or in a couple states, a years-long rigorous and intense full-time apprenticeship, and those states have the most brutal bar exams). And it takes years and a lot of studying and commitment. There is actually a real thing happening in our profession right now where so-called “online law schools” are taking peoples’ money by selling it exactly like this. Only to have them find out after all those expenses (loans in many/most cases. Thanks, Betsy Dev(il)os) that they can’t actually be a lawyer without the real educational steps required to be admitted to the bar. So no knock on her for improvement/education/etc, but this frankly makes me wonder if a sponcon for one of those shady fake “law schools” is coming.
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Goob – I was wondering about that also. She started college but dropped out very early. So apparently a college degree is not required either, just apprenticing and passing the bar exam.
She is famous enough that it would be difficult to get someone else to take the bar exam for her, so I doubt that she will try that. I assume that is a proctored test at a specific location and not a home test. Can’t say about any exams she can take at home, though. She has never struck me as the most honest person and she is a pathological liar. But who knows? Maybe this is really something she wants and is willing to work for. She certainly can afford any tutoring she needs.
At least she will get some valuable background from the attempt, since I imagine she really is interested in criminal justice projects where her celebrity can be useful to the team. Actually going to law school in the usual way is often useful for many people who never actually practice law. The same is true for many subjects people might major in for college – they don’t end up with jobs in the relevant field, but don’t regret what they learned.
Same here @Becks1. And if she thinks Torts is tough, wait until the Bar Exam!
But good for her for educating herself and getting interested in criminal justice reform.
Good for her but I expect this is the current shiny object. I expect she will find something else to distract her long before her bar exam of 2022 rolls around. Food for thought the bar pass rate for apprenticeships is roughly 25%
Yep, totally a shiny object.
Isn’t the new baby, due by surrogate, due next month? I think law school will be forgotten by then.
I mean…my husband had to go to school for a year just to complete block “a” of his plumbing license. He had to take B, C, and D blocks on his own time later. He spent more time in school than she has in addition to all the apprentice work he had to do for years.
I’m not going to shame her for wanting to do something with her life – we’re always ragging on the K’s for not doing anything meaningful or having ‘real’ jobs.
But… I was absolutely not aware that apprenticing was an avenue you could take. Is this something specific to America? Certain states? My mind is blown because this is something I REALLY wanted to do growing up haha. But I left my bachelors degree hanging to go pursue web development, so it’s a moot point, really.
I’ve met plumbers that can think as well as any lawyer. One of my jobs is being a landlord and I’ve really come to appreciate the skilled trades.
Several states allow apprenticing. California and Washington for sure and some others. You can practice in the state and in federal courts. Many people really condescend these lawyers but I have spoken to lawyers from fancy law schools who did not know as much as I do about certain laws so people can do it or they can’t. I say good for her. Not like she i going to be defending OJ Simpson any time soon and would probably never practice as a working lawyer
They’re definitely quick thinkers, too. Aang. Husband is a problem solver and really will do anything he can to make things go as smoothly as possible for the homeowners. There are plenty of people in the trades that are lazy and careless, (like any job) but there’s plenty of gems out there.
Michael – that’s really interesting. Some people genuinely just learn best through hands on experience, and can retain the information a lot better than they could sitting in a classroom. So I can definitely see it being a beneficial thing – I also agree. I don’t think she’s going to be out there working high profile murder trials or anything – but if it allows her to find fulfillment in life, and help the people who otherwise can’t find someone to help them – that’s great.
Very few states allow people to get bar admission this way, less than a handful, and the license is only good in one state with no reciprocity. Typically, states require a bachelor’s degree, subject doesn’t matter, and a juris doctorate from accredited schools. In addition to the bar exam, which has a standard, multiple choice part everyone in every state takes and a state specific part, an ethics exam is also required, and most states do some sort of background check, some of which are quite invasive. Each state has its own rules on reciprocity and whose license they recognize. To practice in federal court, you have to meet other requirements, which can include a federal bar exam.
I have a lot of thoughts, not the least of which is “with enough money, you can buy anything.” I have no doubt she loves the law and thinks that she should be one because she was able to convince a brutally dumb narcissist to commute Ms. Johnson’s sentence. That is different from practicing law. It’s borderline offensive to me, as someone with over $100,000 in student loan debt for a good college and a decent law school to hear that she’ll basically buy herself a law degree in a few years.
I completely understand. On one hand, yay good for her.
On the other hand, I watch my 32-year-old BF struggle to balance being a paramedic and getting his Bachelors and taking out loan after loan just to be able to afford his books etc. and I’m not all that impressed with a wealthy, privileged woman deciding to enroll in law school on a whim.
And I know that’s probably unfair because regardless of wealth, she’ll still have to put in all the work but…will she? I don’t know. Call me cycnical but after what we just saw with Huffman and Loughlin…
I can totally understand that. It is her wealth and privilege that are allowing her to pursue this goal.
Personally, I think it is great that she is growing( and this is coming from someone who seriously dislikes Kim K and all of her exploitative behaviour).
I guess the real proof of her commitment will be shown over time.
I hear ya, @Bythesea. I also have over $100k in debt thanks to law school. I went to a top 20 school and the CA bar terrifies me. It’s entirely possible that someone could skip law school and pass the CA bar. But in Kim’s case, I think it’s pretty unlikely.
Towards the end of 3L we had to meet with someone from FedLoans to see how much we owed, total. I was astonished to see that some classmates owed nothing. I knew I had debt hanging over me all 3 years, and it made LS even more stressful. I can’t imagine how much easier it would have been if the cost was inconsequential.
She’ll be studying for it for the next three years! That is the length of law school. If you had private tutors instead of class and just studied for the bar and learned what you needed to learn for the bar, likely you would have been able to pass the bar exam without having gone to law school. Sure she doesn’t have a bachelors degree, but I’m not sure how essential that is, except to the extent that she probably doesn’t have much practice in researching and writing, but like I said, she’ll have pricey private tutors for three years. I would not be surprised at all if she passes the bar exam. I seriously doubt she’ll ever practice
Many people can probably pass the bar with just taking a bar review course, to be honest. At least the multi state portion. but I learned a lot more in law school than what I needed for the bar.
If she doesn’t plan to ever practice, then she doesn’t need to take the bar exam.
If she wants to learn more about specific areas of law, then she should take a few courses at a university, shadow a criminal law attorney for a month, etc.
Not brag about how the concepts are “so easy” and she got a 100 on her first test and she can do criminal law in her sleep. Because I call BS on all of that.
ETA and also – researching and writing are pretty big effing deals when it comes to the legal field.
@Becks1, question because I am curious. Former teacher here and to be able to get my teaching degree I had to get classroom experience through what is called student teaching (in my state it’s called that). Is there any requirement that there is some practical experience that goes with the law degree?
@swack — a lot of schools require some kind of clinical learning experience, where you work with real clients. But Kim is not going for a degree, she’s going for a license, which, again, I seriously doubt she will ever really use.
@Becks1, yes research and writing are pretty big effing deals (although, with trial work, not as much as you would think, I have found, at least in general civil, like family law, and criminal defense. I know attorneys who rarely do it; I, on the other hand, do it every single day). I also agree that she shouldn’t be bragging about getting 100 on practice tests, and she hasn’t even gotten into criminal or civil procedure, which are big things on the bar exam, too.
@manda – thanks! I would hope that anyone passing the bar, not just those getting a degree, would get some kind of practical experience.
It’s not going to be that easy. She has no experience writing persuasively even at a college level and I cannot imagine her vocabulary or reading comprehension is that advanced if she never did any studying past a high school level. She will have to overcome all of that before it even comes to learning all of the substantive law she needs for the bar. An 18 hour test over three days is grueling for even the smartest of people, so I wish her luck. Particularly since she has chosen to take the California bar (well, really it was her only choice without a JD) which has the lowest success rate and hardest test in the country.
Coming on the heels as it is of the Varsity Blues scandal, I am inclined to believe she will indeed buy her way into this field. Once in, virtually anybody can write her briefs and do her research. So yea – she can get licensed and never do a day’s actual legal work. (Kinda like what she “does” for a living now — she shows up. I am not impressed whatsoever with her claim to do criminal law in her sleep — I wonder what criminal lawyers think of that.
@Catfoodjunkie, that is the only part of all of her spiel I *can* understand. It’s fascinating. When I was in college, I took a couple of criminal law classes (psych major). One of my profs was an ex-cop from the Hollywood Division. He was amazing! I was getting As in his class hardly cracking a book; he was just that fascinating to listen to, I absorbed it like a sponge. HOWEVER… lol… the next year when I transferred to UCLA I had to take Constitutional Law, and you have to have *excellent* analytical skills to dissect each and every nuance, and that is NOT my forte. Needless to say, law was kaput for me lol. But I *still* find Criminal Law fascinating; and I’m a HUGE fan of police procedurals/law shows.
Ehhhh, California has the hardest bar in the country. If she can pass it, regardless of how she obtains the education it seems like fair play to me. I mean, could she really go into a university setting at this level in her life? It seems to me like she would hinder her self and most importantly other students if she was there.
She’s acutely making huge strides in prison reform that no one else with her platform has ever even attempted to achieve.
This. There are very intelligent lawyers who went to the best schools who have to re-take the California bar two or three times.
If Kim passes it – even on the second or third try – that’s impressive.
Even if she never practices a day in her life – many lawyers don’t. They go into advocacy, public interest, business, etc., and use their legal background as a general advanced education.
And I have to ask… if this was Angelina Jolie apprenticing for the CA Bar, how many would be giving her this treatment? There are a lot of similarities between the two women (famous parents, sexy scandals, multiple spouses, beauty contracts) but one is allowed to be a serious humanitarian and one is not.
I wouldn’t call myself a Kim Kardashian fan, but people are way too judgmental about her.
I actually agree with you. I tend to think a lot of her vapid personality is a calculated public image and act too. And back in the day, Angie was known as a wild child who wore a vial of Billy Bob’s blood around her neck. People are allowed to mature and change. It’s true that I personally was always a huge fan of Angelina’s and haven’t had much interest in Kim because I don’t watch a lot of reality TV and the like. But I’m willing to give Kim the benefit of the doubt that she is deeper than she appears.
Of course, it could all be a put-on, too, but time will tell. No reason to rake someone over the coals for trying to improve herself though.
Good point, sassafrass and Amy Tennany. Hopefully torches and pitchforks won’t come out because you said something slightly positive and reasonable about a problematic, cancelled loose woman, LOL. In terms of personality and how they are now, Angelina and Kim K don’t really seem the same at all. But In other places, Angelina does get nearly as much hate as Kim Kardashian (although in Kim’s case, a lot of it is actually earned) from both liberals and conservatives, the kind that’s routed in binary thinking and misogyny.
I’m a lawyer licensed in CA and NY. I’ve also passed the bar in IL. I’m 100% okay with this. The CA bar is absolutely the hardest in the country. If she can pass it, she will be fine as a lawyer.
Example: NY, which has a fairly hard bar, definitely harder than IL, makes you do a 1.5 hour practical exam, where you are presented with a problem, read cases and write a legal memo. The CA bar makes you do *two* 3 hour practical exams. Twice the time for each practical exam means twice the cases to read, more complicated issues, a few red herrings… It’s much more representative of real legal work.
There is no reason that her previous career choices would negatively impact her ability to practice law. I wouldn’t make the choices she made, but her choices were tacky, not unethical.
Exactly. Lawyer here and member of the CA and MA bars. I’m totally fine with this. If she can study and pass the bar, she’ll be fine.
Much of what she has done in life is not shadier than what many people I worked with at big firms did. Seriously, these stories were unbelievable!
Also a lawyer. Took the bar exam in February. I too have thoughts.
I can’t believe I’m about to defend Kim, BUT — I don’t think she intends to practice law in the traditional sense — I think she wants a better understanding of the law so she can do more social justice work. Taking a spot in school from someone who wants to become a practitioner would be wrong and distracting to those who are serious about law school, in my opinion. She’s choosing a path that fits with what I imagine is a very busy schedule and will help her get a better sense of how she can use her celebrity to help others. I think it’s okay in this instance. If she wanted to become a practicing attorney that’s different, but I don’t think that’s what she’s after.
Tax lawyer here. No way in hell she could get a BA then JD, let alone pass a bar exam. I guess a JD is not a requirement to sit for the California bar, though.🙄
@ Becks1 : I read her comment that “crim law I can do in my sleep. Took my first test, I got a 100. Super easy for me.” And I thought “sure it was , honey, sure it was”. I doubt that it was “super easy” or that she got 100% on her first test. I practiced law for 22 years and I can’t even tell you how much time I spent explaining the law to people who had watched a lot of “Law and Order” and thought they knew everything.
And I’ve heard the bar exam in California is super hard and about 2/3 of the test takers fail. So best of luck, Kim.
Still_Sarah – Kim is a pathological liar. She often says ridiculous things that can’t be true, even just about her kids or her health. She often seems to just have an assistant pick up stories from the internet and claim them as her own.
She and her two sisters were caught cheating in high school and their mom was rather proud of it… That’s how she was raised.
In this case, nobody can even verify that she got 100% on the test or if she can do criminal law in her sleep. So it would be very safe to lie about it. She could be just repeating things she’s heard.
If she gets to the bar exam and they exercise due diligence to prevent cheating via electronic devices hooked up to someone knowledgeable — then we will see how she has really done with her studies.
I am concerned that she thinks it’s ok that Kanye won’t take his meds, though. I don’t think she can be blamed for that, but she doesn’t seem to understand what can happen. I hope she never leaves him alone with the kids.
“What? Like it’s hard?” *Hair flip*
@ Lua : LOL. Exactly. *Hair flip*
Haha, only 40% of people taking the test in the July 2018 sitting of the California Bar Exam actually passed, and almost every single one of them has a graduate degree in law. Good luck Kim!
Kim’s greatest hill to climb will be the fact that she hasn’t done any real writing. Already, reading seems to be tough for her, but writing a regular essay, article or thesis doesn’t seem to come easily to her. It isn’t her schtick. Legalese is a whole other ball game. I don’t doubt that she can grasp the concepts. I just doubt her ability to be able to transfer that into taking the bar exam and making a career out of it.
But she certainly has the means to get the best education even by apprenticeship. So go for it!
More power to her if she’s able to become a lawyer and use that to do good. I really don’t think she’s stupid like most people think she is, I think she has a public persona that has served her very well. I will admit though that their comments about Kanye not being able to be on medication because it changes who he is is more concerning to me, because being bipolar is a mental illness that is a challenge to be managed without medication but I guess if it’s working for them…I just worry about the people that don’t have all the support and tools that he has thinking that they should be off their medication too.
I agree with everything you said. Kim has shown recently that she really has a passion for social justice, so if she wants to try to be a lawyer and help other people that’s fantastic. Kim is a lot of things but she isn’t stupid.
It’s her chronic lack of honesty that makes me wonder about her sincerity. And we’ve heard her talk and write spontaneously, and she lacks skills in those areas, depending on other people to write her posts and answers to interviews not done in person.
But she could just be getting bored and realizing that the naked selfies will not carry her much further as she ages. So she might actually be real about this. We shall see.
Same here.
I don’t think she is stupid at all.
She is vapid, famous for being famous but she has managed to create a business from that, how many celebrities have tried that route? She is still here, so she must be doing something right.
She may be smart but having been perceived as vapid for so many years is going to be hard to shake.
She still here because of her mom not her.
I don’t think (from having read the piece here and not the actual interview) that her goal is to become a lawyer, she’s not going to set up a practice herself. It sounds like she’s saying she wants to advocate for others, and wants to be able to sit in a room with educated smart people and feel like one of them and be able to talk with them as a peer and maybe have them treat her as an intelligent and knowledgeable woman instead of dismissing her as a reality star with a sex tape.
I have bipolar disorder. I have a relatively “easy” time because I have always had access to excellent care, I’m incredibly “high functioning”, and have had wonderful support from family, friends, and employers. I’m also on meds and still have symptoms. So the Kanye-on-no-meds thing concerns me. The only comforting thing is she’s using the right words about both of them understanding symptoms and understanding signs of a mood change and knowing what to do. They seem to understand triggers like traveling. Lots of artists have had bipolar disorder and have chosen not to take meds because of the reason given here, and it has been to their detriment. But others have made it work. It’s a personal decision so I am hesitant to make judgements. I do agree with Alissa though that this could send a potentially dangerous message that going without meds is doable for anyone.
@KarenG thanks for sharing this.
I’m in the healthcare field and I have strong opinions about this topic as well. When I mentioned on this site a few months back that I thought Kanye was bipolar people jumped all over me. Then he admitted it, then took it back saying he wasn’t bipolar and that he was just sleep deprived.
I agree that people need to make their own decisions about their care and whether they want to take medication. Maybe I’m reading too much into her comments but it sounds to me like she is saying that he can’t be normal if he is taking medication?? There is still a big stigma when it comes to mental illness and reluctance to seek treatment and take medication. I still think he hasn’t fully accepted his illness but props to them for identifying triggers.
In my first career (I now work in mental health research) I worked in professional theater and encountered a number of people with depression, bipolar disorder, or other mental illness who did not want to take meds because they felt it would hinder their creative ability or what not. And it’s true that a lot of meds can do that by in effect, taking away your emotions and making you “flat.” I think the fear of this is the reason she’s saying Kanye isn’t on meds. She doesn’t indicate if they’ve actually tried meds and had a bad experience. The other side of it is that while one med might cause an undesirable effect, it’s possible a different med will work fine. On average, it takes 3 medication changes to find the med that works for a particular person’s brain. It’s even more complicated with bipolar disorder because that generally requires a combination of meds. So many people give up too soon thinking “meds don’t work for me.” I was able to stick it out. But I know how these things work and can experiment, under a psychiatrist’s care. Just before my husband proposed I added an exciting new drug to my “cocktail” and even without realizing it, it made me flat, even though it was obvious enough that he and my friends had noticed. It didn’t become clear to me until he proposed and I felt nothing. I said yes and I knew it was something I wanted but beyond that I was indifferent. I was pretty much symptom free but the flatness wasn’t worth it to me, so I went off the drug. Another commenter mentioned a friend who stays on meds even with the flatness because the bp symptoms are so bad. I totally get that. I’m so lucky that my particular meds with my particular brain allow me to still have a full range of emotions that can still be severe, but manageable.
Thank you for writing this. I’m bipolar as well and when I was first diagnosed I strongly resisted the idea of medication because I’m a writer and was terrified it would affect my writing.
I’m on medicine now, and I can’t honestly say that it hasn’t. Even now, on my most successful medication regimen (after years and years of tinkering) it still doesn’t feel the same. But I had to recognize that in my case and many others, medication is a necessity for safety.
@ KarenG and others who shared about bipolar : Thank you so much for sharing your experiences here. Celebitchy is an amazing place where I learn so much. I have depression, anxiety, adult ADHD and it has taken me a long time to understand the different ways that it has affected me in my life. I agree the stigma is still there but you are helping to end it 🙂 Thank you.
I agree, getting an education is never something to be bashed nor the person trying to learn and better them selves. At least she is doing it legit and not messing with the system. And just maybe Kim had this in her all along but Mommy Dearest never let that come out and now that Kim has kids she sees the error of how she was raised and abt to show her kids they too should follow their hearts.
Completely agree with you, Seraphina. I would add that especially wen the person getting an education is a woman: shouldn’t this always be encouraged? I also like how she framed this in her interview (probably the first time I’ve ever been impressed with any of her remarks…): she wants to know more because she wants to do more. I think this is a very valuable (I was about to say “noble”?) reason. Good for her if she wants to empower herself. She does not have much to gain financially from this, so I would think she’s sincere in her effort. She’s clearly not trying to become the best lawyer in LA; she sounds like she just does not want to be out of her depth in meetings when she’s discussing issues she cares about. And yes: this is a good example for her kids.
I am envious of her to be honest and applaud her. I agree with you that she probably wants to be educated so she sounds like she knows what she is talking about so people don’t try to manipulate and give her misleading info. I work in IT and was told that people will talk the jargon to try and intimidate and sound like they know more. So I’m sure that’s how it works in other areas not just IT.
And LeatheFrench, I agree with what you have said too. Very noble to want to learn more and be respected in something you believe in when it is helping those who can’t help themselves.
Can you really take the bar exam without going to law school? That seems very odd
It depends on the state, I believe. But, taking the bar exam is different from being admitted to “the bar.”
Only a few states still allow people to take the bar without a law degree. California is one of them.
California pretty much lets anyone who finished high school take the exam.
My friend went this route in CA — apprenticed for years with a law firm then took the CA Bar Exam. Just retired after decades in law practice.
My law school experience was completely inapplicable to the bar exam. BUT bar exam prep takes work and time. Doubt that she has the capability to devote either.
It’s sort of an old fashioned method that mirrors what lawyers did for centuries. California is one of the few jurisdictions that permits it. But as a result, California has made its bar exam the toughest in the country to pass.
Without college or law school!! She’s got zero degrees! This is disgusting to me. How is this different from college admission scandal? La de da, I will bypass college, LSAT, Socratic method, strict bell curve grading, law review competition, and *magic* I’m a lawyer? LMFOA If she wants to do some good, dont bring down our legal education with it. Law school is hard AF. And, btw, there are no 100% in law school. The tests are all written exams at the end of each semester, on a strict curve against your fellow classmates. Jfc, this is beyond. I wonder if I can hang out with my UCLA ER doctor friend and *magically* become a doctor? I’m sure torts are confusing for you, property law, Christ. I can’t today.
Wow that’s cool, hopefully she can do it… anyway props for trying
OK, can someone please explain because I really don’t understand: How can she become a lawyer (did she finish college?) when others have to go to law school before taking the bar exam?
And sorry, that cover is terrible! What’s with the greasy hair?!?!?!? Hate that look.
Four U.S. states still allow people to take the bar without a law degree—California, Virginia, Vermont, and Washington.
And no, Kim doesn’t have any kind of undergrad degree. I think she went and dropped out after a semester.
And, I don’t know about VT and WA, but the exams for California and Virginia are no joke.
yeah, I’m not sure why they went with the wet look. but there are four states in which you don’t have to go to law school to take the bar, and California is one of them.
She’s literally dripping in water…not greasy.
Could as well be oil 😉 But that’s just me, that whole “wet hair look” always looks greasy to me.
I was hoping you would cover this! I’m so proud of Kim and loving this phase of her career. She is really making a difference for unjustly sentenced people and it’s amazing that she’s publicizing this backdoor to practicing law for diverse aspirants to the bar – I had no idea that the United Farmworkers have been training their own in this way for decades! I’m also impressed at her humility and hope that she and Kanye continue to speak about his diagnosis.
I mean part of me is like good for her, but the other part of me is thinking that the percentage of people who actually pass the barr doing the apprentice route is very very low and I can’t fathom a situation in which she will not pass (given her very public announcement), so will we have another aunt Becky situation on our hands?
I have more thoughts but I will keep them to myself…….
If this is something she is really passionate about and wants to put the work into, good for her. I bet it really grinds Kris’ gears so again, good for her.
I’m a little skeptical because studying the law has to be all consuming. I just don’t think she realizes what is involved. She can’t learn all that in three years while running all over the place like she does.
props to Kim for expanding her world, knowledge and options. that is always admirable, and I hope she succeeds
Where I live you have to get two years of undergrad before you apply to law school and that’s for a reason. I’m not taking any of this remotely seriously. If she can’t complete a college course with good grades the bar will make mince meat out of her. If she looks at criminal law as if she can “do it in her sleep” she’s an idiot. My sister-in-law is a lawyer, i have a cousin who’s a lawyer, a friend of mine is a lawyer and the studying they had to do to get to that point was enormous. Their worst day intellectually is not even her best. For fucks sake-Go.to.school. I’m tired of these people thinking they can buy their way into everything. Damn girl.
That’s YOUR state. California doesn’t require that and it has one of the hardest bar exams in the country. Many lawyers in CA have gone this route to obtain their license to practice. It’s a THREE YEAR apprenticeship – which is the exact sane time frame as going to law school.
Not everyone has to go about things the exact same way. And they don’t need to be bashed for it either.
California doesn’t require it but we all know she’ll NEVER finish that apprenticeship. It’s actually harder because you actually have to naturally have the type of discipline that the structure of a school naturally has she doesn’t. You don’t have to go about things the same way but this is an intellectually rigorous project, and this girl barely got her GED. She didn’t even write that article, and she’s now going to spend her life writing and vetting legal briefs?? Give me a break.
California requires an apprenticeship, which the person must “Sit in a practicing attorney’s office for 18 hours per week for a period of four continuous years”.
FOUR YEARS. I’ll be shocked if she does that.
That’s my issue with her claim: when and how will she be working as an apprentice when she’s flying all across the world all the time? That just seem extremely unlikely. An apprenticeship isn’t something you do to pass time between filming your reality show, attending your hubby’s concert, going to club openings and so on, it’s serious business.
Good for her! I read the excerpts of her vogue piece and really didnt have a bad thought about anything she had to say. And I actually really liked a lot that she had to say about Kanye. So again, good for her!!
She may not be in law school, but I wonder how much she’s paying for this apprenticeship. Law school is expensive. I almost went, but opted for a similar professional degree….sortof….I dont see a law firm allocating time and resources for the apprenticeship without a monetary incentive. But she is Robert Kardashian’s daughter so there’s that. I dont doubt for a second that she isnt enjoying this and wont use her knowledge well.
Exactly. Good for her for wanting to follow in her dad’s footsteps. Maybe she will want to achieve something more elevated than defending a man that most people think was guilty of murder too. Although of course everyone is entitled to a defense, and he did that well.
I want that kitchen.
I think I’m another life the Kardashian kids would probably be A students and really good in school. Their father was a bright guy, and say what you want about Kris, but she isn’t dumb… Kim may just be able to pull this off, but it’s not going to be easy.
Wouldn’t that be interesting? A world where the Kardashians prized education. They attended the same school Olivia Jade did, that was *supposedly* rigorous, but we all know how that turned out. I agree with you.
Kim was around 23 when her dad died. Plenty of time to go to college. She chose to get married at 19 and become a stay at home step-mom. Her family had the money for her to go to a good college but she chose otherwise. In fact, while married to her first husband she attended community college but dropped out after a year in the Message Therapy program.
Kris?
I applaud her desire to learn, but I just don’t understand why she wouldn’t go to law school for this. There are several good law schools in LA.
But those good LA law schools require an undergrad degree, and LSAT/GRE scores to get admitted (and are super competitive), which she doesn’t have.
And she has no interest in getting any of those things.
I can’t understand how Kim Kardashian announcing that she’s decided to become a lawyer is good for education. It’s the opposite. Getting an education requires hard work and focus. There are people all over the world who hold down full-time jobs, raise a family AND go to night school to get a better education. Unlike Ms. Kardashian, they don’t have the funds to buy their way to the top.
This is all part and parcel of the Aunt Becky/Felicity Huffman scandal. Rich and famous people think they can buy an education just like they buy a shiny, new car or a house in Malibu. They don’t want to do the work. They just want the APPEARANCE of being well-educated. It seems look being ‘educated’ is replacing a Birkin as the latest status symbol.
She doesn’t have any type of degree does she? Her comments about doing criminal law in her sleep and how she got a 100 on her first test make her sound immature and conceited and it all sounds fishy.
If she’s confused by torts, how is she going to get through constitutiontional law? How will she learn to write the type of essay required to pass the bar?
My guess is she’ll be the reason California stops allowing those who don’t go to law school to take the bar.
She can do good. That’s commendable. But this just seems kind of silly.
Right??? Torts is one of the first classes in law school for a reason. And I feel like every first year thinks that criminal law is the most interesting class. compared to torts, con law, property, contracts, civ pro – it is. But you’ve gotta do all that other stuff too.
She’s going to have a hell of a time with both con law and civ pro if she thinks torts is confusing!
Good for her for getting an education. However, I will say I sometimes find celebrities who lack formal education are way too dismissive of both its difficulty and its value. School is challenging and often demands hard work.
I haven’t read all of her comments(i plan to today) but I hope she doesn’t make light of it.
It sounds fishy because law exams are essay exams. Unless she’s doing some bogus multiple choice exam on which she got “100”. In which case, good luck on the real bar exam, Kim. 😂
Yeah, the only way she could have scored 100 is if the test was from University of Phoenix or something
I think she’s full of shit as usual.
Yes, Thank you!
I do too, unfortunately. In general I always applaud celebrities who continue their education, or pursue outside passions, but I feel like this is just for her to have yet another storyline to sell the tabloids and their stupid show, and to try to rebrand herself. At least it’s as an activist, could be worse.
There’s a reason that getting a law degree takes so much work and time, and I don’t think you should just skip all that education, hang out with lawyers for a while, then take the bar. Maybe someone who has worked in a law firm for many years and has experience should get that opportunity, but this just sounds like a celebrity shortcut. I’ll be shocked if anything comes of it though.
I also wanted to laugh at the part about the White House calling her for consultation, but then I remembered which White House we’re talking about, so it’s totally possible.
The part about the White House calling her. I can bet if Trump didn’t think Kim was “hot” she would NEVER have gotten a call. That is the truth !
Yup.
@Snowflake I was just going to say “y’all are being too nice” in response to the “I have thoughts” comments above. I can’t take anything her and her family do seriously. My automatic thought was she’s full of sh*t… per usual.
The moment she realizes that she would have to spend 40-60 hours studying a week for the next three years with just a couple months break at tops? Yup, she’s full of it. I just await her announcement in a few months that the bar is a relic and she doesn’t actually “need” it (and but, oh she would have been able to pass it anyway).
My first thought was “good for her.” She seems passionate about prison reform and advocated for prisoner’s so studying law will help her in this endeavour. No shade for anyone who wants to make a difference.
Watch her becoming the new AJ. You go Kim!
LOL
Oh my god you were serious, weren’t you? O_O
First of all. It a sick and twisted world where WH calls a plastic reality star who made a name for herself by having a sex tape.
Second of all, bless her for her honesty. She finally found out what it means to read a book: “The reading is what really gets me. It’s so time-consuming”. I am sorry but that really did cheer me up.
And lastly, if the democracy now in America depends on good will of random policy advisors, god for her for educating her self to be more informed.
Money and fame can make you a lawyer now! Eye roll…anyone honestly think she’s doing this without assistance from some people in High places?? Another attention grab from this family
Just another example of her privilege; but she’s to vapid to even understand that. I give it another year before she’s bored with it and stops. I’m also curious to know how someone who doesn’t live in San Francisco full time, and is soon to be mom to four kids under age six, is able to do an apprentice at a law firm in San Francisco? Clearly, she’s not going to be spending that much time under the tutelage of the actual lawyers there – which is the whole point of an apprenticeship.
agreed. this is a pathetic joke. she lacks the critical thinking, diligence and actual work ethic for this it is not the same as a social media/relaity tv career. law students dont have the time to be slaves to Instagram and non stop product promotions. this is gross. she just wants more attention. while i dont’ think she is a total moron, she’s not very bright either. and to brag about being considered a “white house consultant” for someone as dumb and ignorant as trump is not exactly a sounding endorsement for intelligence or logic.
I just posted above, I found the rule for California legal apprenticeship is 18 hours a week for 4 years.
I’ll happily be proven wrong, but I just don’t see her doing that.
If anything I could see her pulling her money card to get out of that requirement or shorten it which defeats the whole purpose of what she’s trying to do smh.
She seems not knowledgeable about this requirement already since she’s saying she’s going to sit for the bar in three years.
As a mother of two, I’m about to embark on my 2nd Master’s degree and I’m annoyed by this. I have to work full time, still be a mother and partner, and attend real classes in order to receive my degree. I think it is BS that her wealth and fame get her into places that are not available to others. That said, if she can somehow use that ‘power’ she has to help others then I’m hear from it.
amen! good for you too. you are doing this the REAL way. kudos to you!
I should really watch my typos too! I’m “here for” it, not “hear from it”!
Thanks @courtney!
She really is out to help people who have been given unjust sentences. That’s a wonderful thing.
What she said about Kanye and the meds… I don’t know what to think. I know more than an average amount of people with bipolar disorder (runs in my family, we have even lost a dear family member to it. Plus several of my friends have it). For every single one of those people the medication is their lifeline to keep a balanced life. For every person with bipolar that I know, life without meds is a living hell.
The meds can be hard on them. The meds can also cause weight gain and a flat affect to their personalities. But life without the meds is a horrible rollercoaster! It’s a very hard trade off, I understand that. But I can’t imagine Kanye will live a happy and stable life if he’s totally unmedicated.
Bipolar is very hard and every person who has it is getting up each day and facing something that the average person doesn’t have to even think about.
“She really is out to help people who have been given unjust sentences.”
That is a good thing. But the best thing she could probably do for that is to work with (donate/fundraise/volunteer for) something like the Innocence Project or another organization that has infrastructure and experience attorneys already in place.
My sister is bi-polar and functions better when she’s not medicated. Everybody is different, every case is different, everybody needs to work with doctors to figure out what works for them. Period.
No, no and no. Another gross example of someone with money being entitled to do whatever the F they want, while the rest of us have to work at it. And I’m so tired of this same recycled photo, wet Kim with her boobs showing, blow up lips to go. There is nothing new or remotely interesting here.
That she “got a 100” on a law school exam tells me all I need to know about the rigor of this legal education. But kudos to her for wanting to learn more. You really don’t need a college education or a JD to do a lot of legal work.
@mere that was my thought too. I chuckled at that comment. and yeah, if she wants to learn more about the legal system and criminal justice, more power to her. But the rest of it…..
I said I was going to keep my thoughts to myself so I’ll show myself out now, lol.
Lol, that was the sure giveaway.
God help us. What’s next, Kourtney wants to be a brain surgeon, Khloe is taking over Nasa?
Kourtney is actually extremely intelligent and educated….she could have reached the top of any field of medicine.
hahahah
Her degree: where she graduated from the University of Arizona with a bachelor’s degree in Theatre Arts and a minor in Spanish. Not on the path to reach the top of any field in medicine (unless it’s on a tv show about doctors).
Another well known individual majored in Theatre Arts and is no intellectual slouch….her name is Meghan Markle. I have no doubt she too, could have reached the top of any field of medicine.
Meghan also has a degree in International Relations. You need to be pretty damned smart for that. Quite different, I’d say.
Kourtney actually finished college, so did Rob I think.
Rob applied to law school and got in after he got his undergraduate degree. For whatever reason he never went though.
While it’s good Kim is improving herself her way of going about becoming a lawyer just comes off as kind of lazy. It’s like she can’t be bothered to do the real work that most people do to become one.
Actually Rob tweeted he was going to USC Law School. The School quickly put out a statement that Rob was NOT attending USC Law School. Never heard anything about it again.
Does she aspire to be president one day and changing her persona to be taken more seriously? I bet you she has political aspirations…
Oooooh, you’re on to something! Not Kanye 2020 but Kim 2024??
I’m telling you…. her delusion and narcissism… it makes total sense to me!
You only have to look at the current deluded, narcissistic, reality-star holder of the office to know anything is possible.
I remember there was an article where she talked about something like that. At the rate people fall for their celebrity rebrandings (see earlier comments) I would not be surprised if she actually won the race.
I don’t know. So many racists and misogynists in this country though.. she could end up some kind of liberal darling though… ugh I hate everything right now!
Oh, give me a break. Anything to get attention. Whatever, Kim (eye roll).
What, like it’s hard?
HAHAHAHA!!!
Comment of the DAY!
Aw, that was such a fun movie.
Wouldn’t it be much more difficult to pass the bar by way of law firm groupie? But then I guess celebitchy justice is a branch of actual law licensure.
I read the headline and internally guffawed/raised a cynical eyebrow (my sardonic nature becomes infinitely more so when I have the flu: it’s a beautiful spring day and am imprisoned in bed with the cat and a cornucopia of medicaments – miserable!!). The article, though, is much more thought provoking. I think perhaps her choice may derive in part from the fickle youth driven market (in which she and her ilk have played a large hand in creating): as the physical star ‘fades’ as per Instagram-perpetual-youth-requirements, she must find a way to continue to be relevant, and centre-stage. However, the fact that she is pursuing that which is mentally taxing and designed to advocate for the voiceless is laudable. She may be narcissistic; she may wish to be perceived as a ‘good person’ and create an entirely new narrative around it; but she’s – finally – doing something worthwhile. Education is arguably the most important goal and end; coupled with advocacy, her choice is a superlative one. If she can encourage her followers to put away the vapidity and to strive for more than the perfect selfie, to work – and work HARD – to help others, then well done. Good for her, say I.
I hope she plans on freeing poor blacks/ pocs who are incarcerated for minor offenses.
Victoria Beckham is crying somewhere in London.
California allows for people to opt out of law school but Kim still has to work hard to pass the bar exam. It’s not like that will be any easier. Her celebrity won’t help her pass. She’ll either do it or she won’t. If she wants to put in the time and try to pass the bar, I say go for it. I won’t put her down for doing something differently. I applaud her for taking these steps to better herself. Kim probably already knows a lot thanks to watching her dad, so why not put whatever knowledge she has to good use?
On a side note…do people even buy magazines anymore? I see that she is on the cover of Vogue, but how are all of these beauty & fashion magazines still in business when you can look up everything online. I have not bought a magazine in years. Am I in the minority?
The fate of the magazine industry (and print in general) has been a huge subtopic for a couple of years. The general consensus is that print magazines are dying rapidly (I know a few closed up shop last year), and like you said everything’s online now. Ironically, magazines tried to use people like Kim to boost their numbers, but this ended up being a major turn off to the older actually paying customers. They quickly either unsubscribed, and the younger readers that they hoped Kim and co. would bring are fully entrenched in their Internet habits and don’t want to pay for what they can consume freely elsewhere. I honestly think at this point the stuff that is keeping magazines afloat is all the subscriptions doctor’s offices, libraries, nail salons have with them lol.
The nicest thing I can say is that at least she won’t be taking the space of someone who has worked hard to get into law school. That said she’s rich and doesn’t need to practice law so even if she manages to pass the bar, she’s never going to do the work that regular non famous lawyers have to do. This is all a PR thing anyway. She could advocate for prison reform without any of this.
Call me cynical…but I think this is all part of Kim trying to change her image.
Kim first got a name for herself as being a sexpot, which is a difficult image to maintain as one gets older and becomes a mother. (This isn’t to say that one can’t be sexy or beautiful AND a mother, just that our society has a hard time seeing women as both)
Then she shifted her brand as to being a successful business woman, but now that Kylie is the youngest “self made billionaire” (eyeroll) and she can’t compete with her sister (because that would ruin the image of the Kardashian/Jenner sisters as putting family first), she has to change tactics again.
So, now what? Take advantage of our collective outrage and become the face of social justice, I guess? Be the next Ruth Bader Ginsberg, but hot?
I think what she did for Alice Johnson is wonderful, but that does not a lawyer make. Deciding to become a lawyer because she helped one woman is just entitled and disrespectful to lawyers who have dedicated all their time and education to studying and practicing law.
There are many ways that Kim can take a stand and get involved in social justice that don’t involve becoming a lawyer: using her social media platforms to consistently amplify the voices of the disenfranchised, volunteering with social justice organizations, donating money to organizations. But if she did that, she wouldn’t get attention. Saying that she’s going to take the bar and become a lawyer puts the focus on Kim and Kim only. She could easily study privately and announce that she passed the bar after she takes it exam. Announcing her intentions to take the bar two years ahead of time, and in the interview for her first solo cover of Vogue no less, says it all: this isn’t about social justice, this is about Kim.
With the Kardashians, and Kim especially, everything is about the brand. Everything. I just don’t believe that she is doing this without any ulterior motives.
I agree. I was wondering what was the new image she was gonna take, because the comments of “You have kids focus on them!” were growing underneath all her thirst traps so I figured it was just a matter of time. I could tell she absolutely L O V E D all the praise with the Alice thing + Social Justice continuing to trend for some time and we have this 🤦🏾♀️. I’m just still shocked at how people keep falling for the image changes especially in light of all the negative catty stuff they do day in and day out. That doesn’t just immediately get erased because someone wants to play Judge Judy smh
Thank you. She and her megalomaniac husband are completely suited. They just want a parade to greet them, whatever they do.
@EM – EVERYTHING you just said.
Even if she does pass the bar exam and became a Lawyer, I highly doubt she’ll be working on cases alone. She’ll still have a team of people to do it all for her. I personally think you should HAVE to have a Bachelor’s degree (3 or 4 year) and then attend Law School (3 years)…that’s a total of 6 or 7 years…plus studying for your bar exam for a year. This girl will have so much help, pay for the best tutors (who will probably give her all the inside info on the bar exam, etc.) it probably won’t be hard for her to obtain this goal. I’m just wondering why she’s interning at a Law Firm in San Francisco and not Los Angeles where she lives. I’m just surprised cameras weren’t rolling for all this…or were they ???
Good for her for wanting to learn more and use her platform to make more of a difference. I appreciated how she recognized her privilege when it came to helping Alice Walker and wanted to be able to do more.
After the Paris robbery and helping Kanye she has seemed a bit more thoughtful and down to Earth.
Just a quick question. So how is she internshipping with a law firm in SF if she’s still in LA?
Is that first photo supposed to look like some sort of baptism? That’s the vibe I’m getting from it. People have covered a lot of my thoughts on this, so I’ll just be shallow. Her face has settled a lot in the last last year or so, and I think she’s looking very pretty these days.
I hope that everyone realizes that this is utter ridiculousness and will never happen. A law career is serious business that does not include sitting on your ass and looking at yourself all day. It is hard.
I remember Kim saying she wanted to run for Mayor of Glendale years ago…she never did.
An educated woman is a powerful woman. And the world can never have enough educated women.
If she follows through, puts the work in, and actually accomplishes some good, I’ve got no problem with it. But I’ll withhold my judgement until she actually does.
As a lawyer with more than two decades of experience, I doubt she can pass the CA bar via apprenticeship training. But I will not dissuade her from trying, and she definitely comes across as bright and thoughtful in her interview. Yes, she leads a very privileged life, but I cannot hate on her for wanting to do more than just be a reality TV celeb. Besides, if she inspires more young women to pursue higher education and become more involved in politics and justice issues, more power to her and them!
I like her.
She clearly is not trying to practice law as a lawyer; I think this is for the sole purpose of being knowledgeable enough to help disenfranchised groups and of course, grow her brand. But self-growth should never be mocked. And obviously a normal person would not be allowed to practice law this way…but she is not normal.
The way she talks about it seems…off. I don’t know what she’s learning, but if she’s grasping the concepts in “two seconds,” as she says, then I suspect she’s getting a very superficial education.
“the reading is so time-consuming”………….yeah, Princess. Reading is hard.
This is a thirsty attention-getter, for the moment. Cue the “we have a new baby on the way, and I’m going to focus on that” exit from law. Or “my husband is a baby, so I have to focus on that” – either way.
Ok someone explain to me how she got the Law Internship in San Francisco in the first place. What qualifications do you need to apply for that? Nothing? You just say you want an internship and you get one?
Apart from the legal shenanigans…Imagine dreaming of being on the cover of American Vogue for years, and this is what it looks like. Looking like a drowned cat-face.
North, however, continues to impress.
Considering how Kim Kardashian was introduced to most of us, having her dripping wet on the cover of Vogue magazine is an interesting editorial choice. And that sound you hear is Diana Vreeland spinning in her grave at what Anna Wintour has done to her baby.
Of course, Kardashian is going to try and find a shortcut to becoming a lawyer. Doing it the traditional way would require SO MUCH WORK, work that’s not devoted to her appearance or social media presence. How could anybody expect Kimmie to stop taking selfies and attend a few classes.
What I find really disgusting is just how hard Van Jones is caping for this trick. Who knew Van was a deplorable in disguise.
Like my mother used to say, we’re living in the last days. But with Donald Trump as president of the United States, Kim Kardashian Esq. is no surprise.
Prisoners in jail get less criticism for studying law than Kim.
Probably because the jail system is so punitive that when you hear an example of it actually being rehabilitative people naturally celebrate that. There’s also the fact that when you hear someone’s in jail studying the law there’s only a couple reasons why. 1. Want to better themselves, 2. Using it to learn the ins and outs of their sentence to help them or others later. By virtue of them being in jail people automatically know that they’re not getting any favors done for them in terms of learning law, and instead probably have a tougher time based on obstacles.
With Kim her own personal history as a person works against her, the college bribery case shows that A N Y T H I N G is possible if you have enough money and want higher education, and ultimately her true motives for announcing this are hard to discern because the Kardashians have a tendency to do stuff based on some type of narrative. The comparison that I think would make more sense is Angelina wanting to lean law or another celebrity.
Good for Kim. This is great.
How will she ever have time for this? I’m serious.
Between her make up, fragrances, four/five Children (Kanye #5), filming, vacations, taking selfies, more selfies, pap strolls, well, you get my drift.
And in San Francisco? Really??
I put myself through Nursing School as a single mother of 3. The amount of work, studying, clinicals, my children, etc. was ALL consuming.
I know she has every privilege known to man, but she still has to PUT IN THE WORK!
Maybe start as a Paralegal? See if you REALLY have the aptitude for Law? Just because your Dad was an attorney doesn’t make you predisposed to having the same skill set. Give me a break ~
Also, if she is our example of an “awoke” person (per the magazine article), taking pictures of her boobs and butt all day, then I’ll just stay asleep. Thanks.
The joke is that, for a huge part of women, she is.
Home schooling for a law degree? Whatever.
Without an undergraduate or a law school degree (from an accredited institution), she won’t be an actual attorney even if she does pass the bar. The degrees are required in California and, I believe, every other state. Some states, like Indiana, used to let people practice as long as they passed the bar, but they came to realize that a proper education background was necessary to becoming a decent lawyer.
The 4 years study under the supervision of a lawyer or judge fulfills the education requirement in California for admission to the bar. That’s the whole point of why she is able to do it.
We all said she’s famous for nothing and contributes zilch to society but then we’re going to knock her for trying to do some good? You can’t have it both ways.
And I think she’s realistic enough to know that she’s never going to be a trial lawyer, because she won’t have the training. Like Kim K says in the article, she knows her role in these situations. She made it pretty clear she’s doing this route of study in order to have the base of knowledge required for working on Criminal Justice Reform advocacy. Her specific interest is sentence commutation for people who have been unjustly given long sentences. I think the other point she makes is that she knows it takes more than one person, which sounds like she’s planning on working with her small team on these issues.She’s definitely not saying she’s going to become a federal prosecutor or high paid defense lawyer arguing in court. If she suddenly starts singing that tune then I’m going to be just as skeptical as anyone else. But I’d way rather that Kim Kardashian is using her platform productively for society rather than solely focusing on promoting an unhealthy body image to young girls or whatever. Surely she’s a better role model by studying the law and working on criminal justice than only being reality TV persona?
Two things in that article:
1. The author said Kim has a soothing voice. WHAT???
2. Kim said Kanye is her “go-to stylist” yet for years she’s been denying he dresses her. She can’t keep her lies straight.
A lawyer, huh? Without a college education, including even just the very basics like writing, critical thinking, and that sort of thing. Personally, I’d never hire a lawyer who likely barely graduated from whatever version of home school for spoiled Hollywood “stars” I’m sure she had.
I just don’t think this should be a thing. It seems someone really unfair to those who worked their butts off to get through college, pass the LSAT, get into law school, and earn their J.D.
This is an insult to people that actually study to become lawyers.
This topic is just another way for her to stay relevant because naked pics and perfume launches are worn out.
I’m a 1L law school student, and I will say this was the first time I’ve read an interview where she’s said anything I can relate to, so that was interesting. Honestly, good for her. This isn’t something she has to do, she’s already richer than God and has a career and a platform to speak out. So, to me, it’s really impressive that she would commit herself to something like this, to the extra steps and education. I wish her (and myself lol) luck.
1) you can be a lawyer and still be vapid and shallow. They’re not mutually exclusive
2) this apprenticeship just speaks volume to her privilege… how many high school graduates can pay for private tudors and lawyers to shadow so they can skip the undergraduate education and the more traditional law school with entrance requirements? This is a lot of money and privilege to get a degree she could not have gotten the traditional way, that she will use as an accessory for any pet projects
I took the California bar exam in 2006. I seriously doubt if she can put together a coherent sentence, let alone analyze the complex legal situations in a bar exam. Then there’s sitting in a huge room with 5000 other examinees for 6 hours a day, 3 days in a row, without your cell phone. She can’t do it!
Good for her! Admirable. Any time people want to help and advocate for others- I’m on board. She should be proud.
Well good for her I guess. I say let’s see if she actually goes through with it and sticks it out. I just feel like Kim has a short attention span, plus with four kids and a childlike husband, I’m not sure how she will manage. Yes, even with all the help she gets, I wonder how she will find the time. But if she manages to pass the bar (and a lot of people fail it on the first go round), I’ll congratulate her then.
As for Kanye being unmedicated, that is not a surprise. Given his previous outbursts and hospitalizations, I doubt this is an ideal situation and I do wonder for his safety along with his children’s. I can’t imagine what it must be like for his kids when he’s in a manic episode. Kim is sticking by him for now but I do wonder when she will pull the plug. She will eventually. Maybe not now, but she will.
Her dream is to stand on the steps of Air Force One and wave at people. That’s her dream. She doens’t want to work; she wants to be bowed at, admired, photographed and redcarpeted.
People always say mom vulgar pimp Kardashian is some kind of marketing genius – no, it’s just that people are so horrifically dumb they eat up trashian crap.
I know a few lawyers who went to law school, passed their state bars, and went on to work in something like HR where they could still use their experience but not “practice.” The older Kim gets, the more I like her. It’s clear she just wants to help people.
Glad she’s actually doing something useful with her life. But woof- all her plastic surgery has failed and she is ugly on the cover now.
I say go for it, girl! She’s smart or she wouldn’t have made the tens of millions she has made. Her father was a lawyer so why is it so hard to believe she could take after her father in book smarts?? I don’t believe in putting people in a ‘box’, not even a Kardashian!
Hey, that’s a good point about her dad! She’s a lawyer’s daughter, so why not? (I kind of love the idea of her becoming a real-life Elle Woods tbqh)
It stands to reason that these kids would be smart; whatever you think of Mama K she’s no dummy, and their dad was a lawyer. The only issue I have with them is being part of the culture’s admiration for people who don’t want to accomplish anything but looking plastic and shallow. It she’s changing that, good for her.
Kim is living her life as a person who is evolving after her Paris attack, or at least trying to.
This is very cool! She is setting a great example to many people with this. Go Kim!
The fact that she married Kanye and decided to have 4 children with him (naturally or via surrogate) tells me all I need to know about her “intelligence.”
Feeling a little gobsmacked by all the comments insisting that she has to get a bachelor’s degree first and then go to law school… like, y’all, it took four seconds to find the information about this in the linked Vogue article. California is one of 4 states that allows people to take the bar exam after an apprenticeship, otherwise known as “reading the law”. She does not have to attend law school to practice law, she just needs to be able to pass the bar.
I mean, I know it’s de rigueur to comment about how vapid and horrible and stupid this woman is, but y’all aren’t making great cases for your own intelligence and lack of vapidness if you can’t even read a single paragraph to inform yourselves before rushing to condemn her choices.
Someone who calls herself a “victor” who was never the “victim” in the game of life? Yeah I don’t think she’s stupid but I do think she’s really dumb. Life is not a game.
Good luck passing the Bar Exam, Kim. You’ll need it.
It’s only Trumps presence in the White House that is affording her any openings. Once he’s gone, that’s done. She’s really getting ahead of herself. So yeah, good luck with that honey. By the way, studying law is HARD. You don’t do it by hanging around a law firm pretending you’re Meghan Markle in Suits.
I guess we will be getting a lot of pap shots Kim K heading to her internship in suits next year
lol
I don’t care about her passing the bar, I am more annoyed about her and Bieber getting Vogue covers. WTF, Anna Win?
Power to her for having the privilege to study, not everyone has time and money to pursue what we really passionate about
I mean it.
However….
I take this with a lot of salt. Let see how committed she is with internship since I heard it is brutal and the bar exam, which even more brutal
If she passes on her first try, do I need to anticipate Operation Varsity Bar Exam tho? lol
Sorry, her vapid persona is so strong I can’t seem to think that she actually has a brain for the law or maybe because she never uses it, this is a good thing?
I like this move. Kim Kardashian will never be a practicing lawyer, but she is *already* putting herself in rooms where she is advocating for people caught up in the criminal justice system, and she might as well understand all of the complexities and nuances of those situations!! Why shouldn’t she? Should she remain 100% reliant on others’ legal expertise when she wants to draw attention to someone who has been unjustly imprisoned? I think it’s a great idea that she can read up on the law and be educated when she is choosing to do what is basically her charity work. Jeez, I wish every rich celebrity who did charity work went to the trouble of getting educated about their causes!! They could certainly be better patrons and supporters of the people they are trying to help if they knew more about the systems and structures that were making those people suffer. I hope Kim Kardashian sets a precedent for other celebs!!
The only thing I’m gonna say is she already said that she is having trouble with all the reading. That being said, maybe she finally realizes that she can’t take nudie pics forever and has to actually have substance now.
It probably has more to do with her having kids now. Those kids are old enough to start asking questions. Maybe she wants to be able to tell them “mommy’s a lawyer” instead of whatever they will read on the internet about her.
I imagine the arguments in court : “My client is like, literally innocent, like, you know ?”
And btw, a judge and a jury are not like Trump : you can’t impress them just by being hot, Kim…
You got to be kidding…
I stopped eating solid food about 3 weeks prior to the bar exam , my throat for so constricted for stress… I passed, but not without a panic attack after the first day. Second day was better, third was fine. I took a LOT of tests , both oral and written, in 3 countries, 3 languages but CA bar exam was by far, the most difficult. I wish her well but I doubt she takes it.
I’m also impressed, and it’s good if she use her fame to do good so, why criticize her?
Ya know what.. good for her. Why the heck not?