Former ‘Late Show’ staffer: Letterman created “hostile work environment”

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Yesterday, Vanity Fair put up a very interesting essay by a woman named Nell Scovell. The essay is called “Letterman and Me” and it’s all about her experiences as a staff writer for The Late Show back in 1990. Scovell claims that even back at then, David Letterman and other “high-level male employees” were having sexual relations with female staffers. Scovell also writes that those female staffers “had access to information” and “wielded power disproportionate to their job titles”. The result, in Scovell’s opinion, was that Letterman had created a “hostile work environment”, which is not the same as sexual harassment. It’s a fascinating piece, and I don’t want to cut anything out of it – so here’s the entire piece:

At this moment, there are more females serving on the United States Supreme Court than there are writing for Late Show with David Letterman, The Jay Leno Show, and The Tonight Show with Conan O’Brien combined. Out of the 50 or so comedy writers working on these programs, exactly zero are women. It would be funny if it weren’t true.

Late-night talk shows have long snubbed female writers. (“Blaaaaame Johnny!”) Now old charges of sexism have joined new concerns about sexual harassment, triggered by an alleged extortion plot that prompted David Letterman to admit on-air, “I have had sex with women who work for me on this show.”

Most media stars responded by defending one of their own. On The View, Barbara Walters remarked that Dave “is a very attractive man” and offered a blanket excuse for his in-house affairs: “Where do you meet people? In the workplace.” Joy Behar took a tougher stance and argued that his behavior might have created an atmosphere that’s uncomfortable for other female employees, especially “if you’re one of the girls who works there and [are] just doing your job.” But Walters had little sympathy for the working girls. “Maybe you’re annoyed today, but that’s not necessarily sexual harassment,” Walters said. “It isn’t sexual harassment,” she added.

Actually, it may be. There’s a subset of sexual harassment called sexual favoritism that, according to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, can lead to a “hostile work environment,” often “creating an atmosphere that is demeaning to women.”

And that pretty much sums up my experience at Late Night with David Letterman.
I was the second female writer ever hired at Late Night. When I applied for the job in 1988, I had no way of knowing how much the odds were stacked against me. In 27 years, Late Night and Late Show have hired only seven female writers. These seven women have spent a total of 17 years on staff combined. By extrapolation, male writers have racked up a collective 378 years writing jokes for Dave (based on an average writing room of 14 men, the size of the current Late Show staff).

Two years after they received my submission packet, I got the call: Dave wanted to meet me. By then, I was living in L.A. and had already written an episode for The Simpsons and served as story editor on Newhart during its final season. Still, Late Night was my dream job, so when I got the offer, I left the sitcom I’d just started on and moved back East. Walking into 30 Rockefeller Center on my first day as a Letterman writer was one of the happiest moments of my life—right up there with the births of my two kids. But it was all downhill after that. (I’m talking about Late Night, not my kids. They’re great.)

Without naming names or digging up decades-old dirt, let’s address the pertinent questions. Did Dave hit on me? No. Did he pay me enough extra attention that it was noted by another writer? Yes. Was I aware of rumors that Dave was having sexual relationships with female staffers? Yes. Was I aware that other high-level male employees were having sexual relationships with female staffers? Yes. Did these female staffers have access to information and wield power disproportionate to their job titles? Yes. Did that create a hostile work environment? Yes. Did I believe these female staffers were benefiting professionally from their personal relationships? Yes. Did that make me feel demeaned? Completely. Did I say anything at the time? Sadly, no.

Here’s what I did: I walked away from my dream job. The show picked up my option after 13 weeks; then, about two months later, while looking for a nicer apartment, I realized I didn’t want to commit to a yearlong lease. I’d seen enough to know that I was not going to thrive professionally in that workplace. And although there were various reasons for that, sexual politics did play a major part.

On my last day at Late Night, Dave summoned me to his office and pressed me on why I was quitting the show. I considered telling him the truth, but with Dave’s rumored mistress within earshot, I balked. Instead, I told him I missed L.A. Dave said, “You’re welcome back anytime.”

Within months, I was working on the sitcom Coach. I was still the only female in the writers’ room, but the atmosphere was respectful and I stayed for several seasons. Since then, I’ve racked up a long list of credits as a TV writer, series creator, producer, and director. In short, I moved on. Until this story broke.

I decided to speak up now for three reasons: 1. People who have no knowledge of the situation are voicing opinions, so why not me? 2. Letterman himself opened this up to a public discussion. 3. I’d like to pivot the discussion away from the bedroom and toward the writers’ room, because it pains me that almost 20 years later, the situation for female writers in late-night-TV hasn’t improved.

Now, I don’t want a lawsuit. I don’t want compensation. I don’t want revenge. I don’t want Dave to go down (oh, grow up, people). I just want Dave to hire some qualified female writers and then treat them with respect. And that goes for Jay and Conan, too.
I realize that “hire qualified women!” is the sort of outraged demand that’s often met with a sigh. No one disagrees and yet gender inequality in high-paying positions extends into all professions. A friend of mine who temps at an investment bank once remarked to her male boss, “You know, I don’t see a lot of female bankers”—but he cut her off. “Don’t even,” he warned, as if the problem were simply unsolvable. But, of course, that’s not true.

One frequent excuse you hear from late-night-TV executives is that “women just don’t apply for these jobs.” And they certainly don’t in the same numbers as men. But that’s partly because the shows often rely on current (white male) writers to recommend their funny (white male) friends to be future (white male) writers. Targeted outreach to talented bloggers, improv performers, and stand-ups would help widen the field of applicants. I’m also aware of several worthy females who have submitted material and never heard back. In fact, I’m one of them. Back in June, I heard Late Show was considering hiring a contributing monologue writer who could work from home, so I submitted six single-spaced pages of jokes. I’ve yet to receive any response. (I’ve since signed on to two other TV projects, so I’m no longer available.)

[From Vanity Fair, Nell Scovell’s “Letterman and Me”]

See, this kind of first-person account carries more weight for me than any kind of formal condemnation from the National Organization of Women. I maintain my opinion that what Letterman did is not sexual harassment, and I think the description of “hostile work environment” describes the situation well enough. The only thing that would make this situation any worse is if those alleged sex tapes were released right now.

Here’s Letterman with Madonna on 9/30/09. Credit: Anthony Dixon/WENN.com
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  1. tiki says:

    i contend, and will continue to do so, if it were a conservative man creating this type of work environment, it would be labeled, ‘sexual harassment.’ i’d be completely on board for the label because that’s what is going on whenever a female subordinate experiences a hostile work environment due to the behavior/attitude/activities of a male superior. however, because letterman is a liberal darling, he’s given a pass. the hypocrisy is both stunning and disgusting.

  2. Lantana says:

    If she found the situation so untenable, why in the world did she apply again? Smacks of hypocrisy.

  3. Tess says:

    Move along folks, nothing hypocritical going on here.

    PC behavior is for the masses. Not for the elites.

  4. YT says:

    Lantana, she applied for a position that would allow her to work from home, not in the office.

  5. Firestarter says:

    No surprise to me that Letterman is this type of man.

  6. Daniel says:

    sadly all men in positions of power abuse their authority to gain favor among women. This is a universal truth. Look around you, wake up people, this is the world in which you live.

  7. Celebitchy says:

    Similar things have happened to me where I worked two different Internet jobs with small companies of all men over 10 years ago (I’m old) and one was an incredibly uncomfortable harassing environment and the other was very respectful and normal. I did call and speak to someone about the harassing work environment but it wasn’t that clear cut (just guys talking constant inappropriate smack) and I ended up quitting. There were a ton of jobs for web people back then.

  8. Ro says:

    The problem with women is that we are too concerned with being liked by men. We make up a large part of the population and if we weren’t all so concerned with whether or not the guy in the office down from us thought we were a bitch we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

  9. Nebraska says:

    Thank you so much, Celebitchy, for this piece. I decided to leave a company where I had worked for 18 years because of the abusive behavior of a female manager who has been making the lives of her “subordinates” hell for almost two decades and getting away with it because of her special relationship with the male district manager.

    This woman had access to personal information and used it to create a climate of fear in the workplace. This is still going on and she is still having her special relationship with the DM.

    This article makes me see the situation in a different light and I am going to recommend it to my former co-worker who I am meeting up with today!

  10. Sumodo says:

    Let’s look at CBS, shall we? Les Moonves, the guy at the top, gets involved with Julie Chen and marries her (promoted her, too), making it OFFICIALLY all right to shit where you eat.

  11. wow says:

    CB thanks for including this, but you left off page two of the article which I will include here if you don’t mind.

    Page 2
    Late-night shows shouldn’t relax their standards for women, but why not give feedback and encouragement if it’s warranted? Maybe a writer will nail the tone on her second try. I’d also like to see each show post submission-packet requirements on its Web site so everyone has equal access. Obvious, right? Unless the shows would rather complain about the dearth of female applicants than do anything to encourage them.

    I have a theory. An executive producer with an all-male writing staff once inadvertently revealed his deep, dark fear. While discussing a full-time position for me, he mused out loud, “I wonder if having a woman in the room will change everything.” Of course, what he really meant was: “I wonder if having a woman in the room will change me.” Male writers don’t want to be judged in the room. They want to be able to scarf an entire bag of potato chips while cracking fart jokes and making lewd comments without fear of feminine disapproval. But we’re your co-workers, not your wives. Crack a decent fart joke and, as professionals, we will laugh. And while writers do need to feel comfortable in order to make comedy, denying an entire class of people certain opportunities in order to preserve a way of life seems a tad antebellum. Plus, it’s been my experience that a room with a fairer sampling of humanity will always produce funnier material.

    I know it might seem awkward at first. Men might feel they have to censor themselves once females crash the party. But I have a dream—that one day a late-night writers’ room will be filled with poop jokes and fart jokes and jerking-off-to-Angelina-Jolie’s-face-on-a-magazine jokes, and everyone will laugh, including men and women of all creeds and colors.

  12. wow says:

    I agree, the term “hostile work environment” is exactly what it is and I am so glad this issue is being brought forward into mainstream press.

    Like you CB (and possibly many others) I left a job under these circumstances (hostile work envirnment)as well. It was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made for myself professionally. It does sadden me to see that others on here have experienced this, but it’s also “nice” to see that I am not alone in the experience and wasn’t over-reacting.

    What I think people realize is that when you sleep your way to the top, you’re not only hurting yourself in the long run but you’re also affecting the ones who choose not to go that route.

  13. Tess says:

    @Sumodo

    Well put!!! Great point!!!

    And this from the network that can’t promote political correctness enough.

    You can’t make it up.

  14. jeannified says:

    Wow! What an eyeopener! It’s interesting to read this from someone who was actually employed by Dave way back when. At least he was friendly with her and told her she was welcome back if she ever wanted to come bacck. (Though I guess she DID want to back in June, but never heard anything from him.)

  15. guiltu pleasures says:

    I, too, work in an environment where women get ahead by using sexual wiles…not being one of those females I have pretty much languished without promotion. Luckily for me I am done in only two more years, but I feel for all of my innocnet colleagues. Sad, sad, sad…
    And who is to blame? The women who see that it is their only way up, or the men who hoist them?

  16. Andrea says:

    Didn’t David’s wife work for him before and during their had a relationship? I’m sure she knew the score.

  17. Beachi206 says:

    What she writes all sounds so sadly typical especially when working in the Major Big League–and why should David Letterman be above throwing his power around, and his acolytes following in his “hallowed” footsteps. And absolutely Regina Lasko, David’s wife, once worked there so she, of all people, should know what goes on and what went on.