CB hasn’t said it to me directly, but I think she thinks I hate children. I don’t really hate them, I just have a very low tolerance for the annoyances many children bring. I’m not a mother, and I like the idea of kids – but in reality, when I’m seated behind a kid in a restaurant or movie theatre, I’m the bitch who says something. All of you know someone like me. I’m the one who gripes loudly “Why would you bring a four year old to a rated R movie?” I’m the one who asks the waitress if there are any other tables available, while shooting a look at some kid who is in the midst of a full-blown ketchup-related tantrum. Don’t even say it. I know I’m a bitch.
I bring up my alleged child-hatred (which is really just mild child-annoyance) because of this story involving Ivana Trump, some rowdy children, a plane, and what was probably a team of burly TSA men. Just so you know, this is the first time I think Ivana Trump and I might be kindred spirits:
Donald Trump’s ex-wife, Ivana, was forcefully removed from a New York City-bound Delta Airlines flight Saturday after causing a scene and screaming at crew members.
According to the Associated Press, Trump’s 60-year-old former wife became angered by a group of children running in the aisle of her first class cabin while the flight was waiting to depart Palm Beach International Airport en route to New York.
Flight attendants were unable to calm the socialite down and the pilot taxied the plane back to the gate where law enforcement tried to convince Trump to voluntarily exit the aircraft.
When she refused and continued to hurl obscenities at crew members and fellow passengers, deputies “physically escorted her off the aircraft,” a department spokesman told RadarOnline.com.
Trump filed for divorce from her fourth husband, Rossano Rubicondi, earlier this month.
[From Us Weekly]
For me, the story hinges on something we don’t know – were the rowdy kids first-class passengers or economy-class? If they were economy class, I don’t blame Ivana in the least. She paid the exorbitant price for first-class, she should be able to enjoy her white wine in peace and quiet. If the kids were first-class passengers too, well, tough sh-t for Ivana. The kids’ parents paid for their seats, and the kids can act however they want. Oh, and I can totally see myself “pulling an Ivana” especially if I was the one being escorted out while the parents of the rowdy kids, and the kids themselves, were allowed to stay on the plane. That’s not fair.
Do I sound too Team Ivana? This is new for me. I’ve never identified with her before. Even though I totally understand how and why this happened, I do think Ivana should invest in some sleeping pills or Valium or something to make her more chilled out for flying. That’s as harsh as I’ll go.
Ivana Trump at the International Horse Fair (SICAB) in Spain on November 28, 2009. Credit: Target/FAME Pictures.
I’m a mother, and I’m totally team Ivana. If you’re a bitch, then I am, too when it comes to misbehaved children and bad parenting in public. I don’t think ANY of what you listed makes you a bitch. It makes you a citizen with the balls to tell people what they shouldn’t need to be told in the first place.
I agree. I’m a mother too and I make an exception only for babies who sometimes can’t be calmed down, particularly on a plane. But tantrum throwing toddlers and, worse yet, older kids running wild, kicking my seat, spilling drinks on me, flipping trays, arguing and running around while their parents pretend they don’t know them.. that’s another story. People just don’t want to bother raising their kids anymore. Telling “no” is hard sometimes but without it kids know no boundries and are actually quite unhappy. Ivana is a pill and probably snapped but I can totally relate. BTW, after a certain age, sleeves are your friend, Ivana. Consider it next time..
Where were the parents and why did they think the running up and down aisles was acceptable?
There is a lot to be said for having grace for toddlers & babies who cry on planes, but this is not a case of a jetlagged child with plugged ears. What is reported seems to be lazy parenting.
I have four children.
Amen to all 3 first commenters.
Those kids are gonna grow up to be wonderfully well-adjusted adults who respect boundaries, can take No for an answer, and will do wonderfully in any job. Not.
Seriously, people, be prepared to parent (verb), unpleasant confrontations with your progeny included, or don’t have the kids.
I am surprised they could hear the obscenities clearly through those swollen, pink painted slugs she has afixed where her lips ought to be.
Are they sure she didn’t mistake her mumbling “excuse me, my lip-slugs would like some chardonnay and haemorrhoid cream to combat deep-lip-vein thrombosis?”
I was one of those unruley kids. When I was on a plane I used to run around singing disney songs and dancing. While the majority of the time, people would be clapping in time. Somtimes the pilots would let me into the cockpit and watch them fly the plane and explain what so an dso does and tell me flying stories with dragon and give me pins. It was always magical for this little unruly girl and back then people weren’t uptight about it. There was joy when I was a child. Now though the attendants just go up and down the isle, the people look as though nothing in their lives is colourful or suicidal/homicidal and its always sterile and suffocating with emotionally constipated people and the cockpits are forever locked. No more magic even on a plane.
I love unruly kids because it makes me smile even the ones kicking my seat. I usually turn around and join in and play with them some of them freak out and stop altogether and some brighten up and their smiles are beautiful. To this day I look forward to seeing children on planes. I wont ever take somthing so trvial seriously. Far too much going on in life to care about this.
A child has plenty of time to grow up, life is cruel that way. Give them their magic and their adventure and loud tantrums. ENJOY THEM otherwise you’ll blink and they will no longer be your little ones anymore, and they wont want to have anything to do with you. They’ll be too busy making mistakes and getting hurt.
The article says she’s just filed for her fourth divorce. She’s probably feeling crummy for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with poorly-raised children.
Doesn’t give her reason to take it out on children. It just mean she’s got a short fuse, one can only imagine what it would be like to live with her.
Ouch, the woman’s only 60 and she looks an easy 80.
I also don’t think it’s very fair that she was the one who had to be escorted off the plane. The parents of those dumbass kids should’ve been asked to leave. Not only are wild, running kids annoying as all fuck, but it’s dangerous.
Complaining to the flight attendents about rowdy children gets no where. They are too busy dealing with everything else (security,other passengers etc) Complaining to the parents(in a polite way of course) of such children either will get a ” f*** you” or end up in a shouting match(some people do not take kindly to being told their little angels are more like Damien from the “Omen”).
After a flight from Vancouver to London with eight children having different levels of meltdowns and running up and down the aisle. The best way to deal with children on a flight is to take a drug of choice(valium, nyquil etc) and pass out listening to your Ipod, while being grateful they are not your children!!
she was shouting “shut the f*ck up” and “little f*ckers” at the kids and “f*ck you” at the staff. had she have approached the situation correctly and not like the “high class trailer trash” she is…she wouldn’t be in this “pickle dick!!!”.
extreme makeover, where on earth are you? this gal needs to dress n get with her age. piss off the manky, waaaay too light hair nana, enough with the MK Ultra Pussycat Programming outfits, lay off the thick make up and when yer done, luvmuffin, get youself someone your age and stop being a pedophile.
okay, so let’s get this straight. ivana was upset at a bunch of rowdy kids who refused to listen to authority so she became a rowdy kid who refused to listen to authority. yeah, sounds logical to me. i’m the mother of six and the grandmother of ten. i don’t like spoiled brats as much as the next person. but spoiled brats come in all ages, including ivana’s 60 years of age. irritation with spoiled brats doesn’t give one the license to behave like one. definitely not team ivana on this one.
Kids are kids! Not robots. My son shows his behind sometimes in a store and he gets disciplined for it. No child is a perfect angel. If someone started spurting off that crap to me over my child(ren) I think I would have pressed charges on her! Show her that the rich and famous aren’t free to do as they please and verbally assault who they want. I think it’s clear who raised Ivanka. A NANNY!
I have always liked Ivana, so this comes as a suprise. I think she is just stressed out over her fourth husband trying to take her to the cleaners and took out her frustrations on those kids. She needs to come to terms with the fact that she is an aging beauty and a lot of these younger men that she has been marrying are out for her money. This last guy apparently had an affair on an Italian reality tv show with a 20 something year old. Time for her to get on some kind of meds to calm down, if this is how she is going to continue to act out.
I have three children-my son has adhd- and they would not be acting like that on an airplane. Kids need to release their energy before boarding a plane. I walk my kids around the airport, instead of sitting in the seats waiting to board.A new toy/book helps too, if given on the plane also traveling early in the morning.
As to Ivana- she should lay off the pre-flight booze. As vulgar as I find her language to the kids, I laughed when I pictured her yelling at the kids.It is too bad nobody took video of it, that would be a youtube hit.
Ivana and The Donald look increasingly revolting as they age.
He’s gone all soft, mushy, and effeminate. And that spun sugar concoction on top of his head…what is it? a nesting place for ferrets in heat?
And Ivana, with those wavy gravy lips and cottage cheese arms. Good God.
Mom here and totally team Ivana, too. The world is not your child’s playground. i’m glad there are people who will say something; it’s a fight worth fighting. i gave the shank-eye (thanks Michael K!) to some kids in Target that were throwing a football across an entire aisle to the point where the young teen son had to leap into the air to prevent the ball from crashing into the bikes! Oh, guess who was quarterback? Dad..
Pffft! This isn’t about Delta choosing Team Rotten Brats over Team Ivana. You really think Delta would throw a famous, rich person off the plane just to please some parents? No, she got bounced because she let her crazy loose and couldn’t wrestle it back in its cage, even after the cops came. Ivana > Zsa Zsa?
“The kids’ parents paid for their seats, and the kids can act however they want.”
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WTF?? Those kids are out in public and they cannot act however they want. They need to learn how to act appropriately and until they learn, their lazy parents should keep them the hell off a plane. Doesn’t matter if I’m sitting in first class or economy, I’m damned if I want some spoiled, ill-bred brats ruining the flight I paid for.
You’re not a bitch. I have two small children and only take them to appropriate places where they behave well or we figure out how to do those fun things another way [we go to the drive-in during the summer so that my kids’ talking is only heard by me and my husband, and in the winter we just netflix]…and even when we’re at a family restaurant and sit at a table quietly there are sometimes people who loudly complain about sitting near kids…now those people are bitches lol. My favorite instance of that was when the guy saying that had a child with him who screamed and ran around the restaurant while our baby and toddler sat and ate quietly 🙂
The way that I read this story is that Ivana sounds like a tantrum throwing child – screaming and shouting at crew members? “Do as I say, not as I do” comes to mind lol.
i had to deal with a loud little shit screaming(talking to his mommy in loud yell voice) and kicking my damn chair the whole flight. definitely team ivana here. keep your rugrats home if you can’t teach them how to behave in public.
If they had to taxi back to the gate to kick Ivana off the flight that must have meant they were on the tarmac. You are supposed to be in your seat with your seat belt fastened so why are there children running down the aisles? The children and their idiot parents should have been thrown off the flight!
Rachel,
exactly what I was thinking! If they were waiting for take-off clearance everyone should have been seated with seatbelts fastened. Where were the crew and parents??
Viper
“Otherwise you’ll blink and they will no longer be your little ones anymore, and they wont want to have anything to do with you.” You will miss it anyway,you only are sharing a couple hours with them not a lifelong friendship.
If you are talking about the parents they should know it is not allowed for safety or any other reason the airline, even if the parents or you disagree with the policy. Drive, rent a jet, go by boat if it means that much to you. You won’t disturb other people and force them to deal with whatever your kids do. Plus, you have more flexibility with the rules.
Or play with them in their seat at a reasonable volume, bring things to occupy them, or play imagination games with them. Just because they are kids it doesn’t mean it is cute when they act in away that takes away the ability for others to enjoy the experience. I’m sure their behavior wouldn’t stop during the flight and other kids were waiting in their seats. Plus the pilots should never break the rule of allowing anyone in the cockpit if children. For safety and peace of mind for the passengers.
Her behavior was mean and over the top but the kids and parents should have been asked to leave as well. She wasn’t the only one that was distributive and breaking the airline’s rules.
Funny article about kids misbehaving on airplanes: http://www.cracked.com/article_17046_7-helpful-tips-child-who-made-my-flight-hell.html
“The parents of those dumbass kids should’ve been asked to leave. Not only are wild, running kids annoying as all fuck, but it’s dangerous”
Thirty thousand miles in the air is too fucking dangerous. What if Bratleigh had decided to bolt for the cockpit and play with the controls? What then? In case some have not noticed, there are people who want to get where they have to go without having nervous sweats over whether or not they are going to be dragged down a fiery inferno.
I’m wondering about this story. No flight attendant worth their jobs would be allowing kids to be running the aisles if the plane was moving or away from the gate preparing for take off (did ya hear about the one who gave a first class passenger a security notice simply for asking for OJ?).
If the kids were running the aisles then perhaps there was a delay, fancy that aye? We don’t know the specifics. I have kids and I’m all for them behaving in public but travel is hard and even the usually best behaved kids and the best laid plans (food, toys, distraction etc) cannot make up for the travel delays this country is plagued with. Of course I would have had my kids strapped in their seats with numerous non-violent threats if they didn’t keep quiet, but hey that’s just me.
It’s no excuse for Ms Trump to act like a bitch. Enjoy her wine in peace? Yeah but how many had she had before boarding? Oh why am I suspecting alcohol may have been a factor when really she’s probably a troll either way.
I’m with Tiki! If we expect kids to behave (and we should) then we also should expect adults to behave. Sounds like a story where I don’t want to be on anyone’s side. Kids/parents=fail. Ivana=fail.
Kids should not be running around on a plane, period.
As for Ivana, she wouldn’t be flying commercial if she hadn’t thrown her money at every stud that claimed to be smitten by her beauty.
‘Going postal’ is a violent and murderous act – is Ivana accused of that? A little morning hyperbole, anyone?
Yeah, there are elements of bitch in that. Ivana’s approach was all wrong but she was right in complaining. Everybody on a plane is paying for their seat and what are kids doing in first class anyway?
When my daughter was 2
she was swinging her feet and kicked the seat in front of her. As a kid she didn’t realise it was annoying the old bat in the seat. I made her stop and occasionally she’d forget. Y’can lecture, be stern, get bitchy on the kid but you can’t spank and you can’t take them out of the seat on your lap; if they’re not interested in the carry-on bag full of crayons, books, toys and snacks then what are ya gonna do in a space that’s 2 feet by 2 feet? The woman in front of me decided to turn around and rant and unfortunately between getting pissed off with my kid, pissed off with the a-hole on my other side trying to tell me why he converted to Islam and not noticing that he needed to shut up and let me entertain my kid and then pissed off with the old bat calling my kid a brat, I let HER have it. The Attendant was on my side – there’s not much for a kid that age to do except sit and adults don’t even do that well. And if somebody thinks they have the right to tell me what to do then I reserve equal right to tell them what to do.
Maybe Ivana shouldn’t get loaded before take off?
There’s definitely a self-centered issue that needs therapy for people who hate kids or animals.
I once took a flight back from Barbados with the beast-child sitting in front of me. Her parents looked like your typical philosophy professors at some open university – glasses, hairy legs on the woman, birkenstocks, reading massive tomes, probably vegans, probably drove a rusted out Volvo. At any rate, their 3-year old daughter went all exorcist and for the next hour screamed, spat, bit, howled, lay down in the aisle so the attendants couldn’t get by, while her parents didn’t do a thing. When people finally complained the parents muttered something about letting “moonbeam” or “saffron” or whatever the kid’s name was vent her true feelings. At that point she peed on the father and was taken firmly by one of the attendants to the front of the plane where she miraculously stopped “acting out” and stayed there quietly for the remainder of the flight. They probably gave her a gravol or something. The point is, it’s intolerable and ignorant to make a whole plane full of people suffer and I’m for team Ivana. Bad kids are only reflecting bad parenting.
Some of the people blogging here are well traveled or live in other countries, I have a question. Are children in other countries more well behaved as a group than kids in the USA? I’m just curious not baiting and want to know what you think.
“The kids’ parents paid for their seats, and the kids can act however they want.”
Hate to inform you, but EVERONE ELSE paid for their seats too, and believe me, none of them were paying Greyhound bus prices either.
Ivana definitely overreacted, but that doesn’t mean she hates children. Yes, we should let kids be kids, but we should also teach them about decorum and boundaries, and that when you go to public places, there are times where you have to behave yourself. Tantrums are neither, cute, fun nor “magical” in a public place.
Viper, I hope you’re still not being unruly on planes as an adult.
I used to work for the Trump family on their bodyguard detail, and let me say this does not surprise me. my N.D.A. precludes me actually telling any tales, but this woman is absolutely the WORST to deal with, particularly when the airport is involved in any way.
@Kathie, I live outside US and have travelled frequently with my 3 year old ever since he was a baby. As far as my observation goes, most of the international toddlers/kids I saw on flights (as well as my son) they are well behaved. maybe 3 out of 30 odds times there were few tantrums but manageable. The international flight attendants, on the other hand are b*tch on air tell ya! they hate children and threat them like lepers..
OT: Ivana and the parents of that child should be hauled off the plane.
@ Kathie, I live in the US but am a Kiwi and travel back there every other year with kids, usually doing one leg by myself. My kids are good travellers but don’t know if that’s because they’re used to travelling or just because they’re usually good kids? 🙂
@ mojoman, sorry to hear you’ve never travelled with Air New Zealand. They handle kids/families really well and always check to see if we need anything. I swear the US domestic flight attendants probably eat children alive which is why I’m surprised the Ivana situation got as out of hand as it did.
Ivana should have known better than to have raised her voice with Suri.
-that’ll teach us all.
@goddess711, i think the difference is sincere effort on the part of the parent. If the parent is trying, well, there are times when nothing helps and you’ve exhausted all efforts. Or the adults make it worse. I saw a kid in Ikea tantruming and yes he was loud and obnoxious but the were actually teasing him by trying to put chapstick or something on his face! So a trantrum that might have played out in a minute or two was extended to 10 or 15, not to mention how awful that is for the kid. Anyway, I get pissed b/c most of the adults I see aren’t actively trying to do anything to control or redirect their children. They just believe the rest of us should put up with their little darlings and all their “true feelings”. That’s the kind of BS that makes my head spin…
There is no excuse for not just the child’s, but the parents behavior. People just don’t parent anymore. Except of course, in the case of the girl who was describing herself as “twirling and singing”, then they never did. How horrifying.
@ Tess
He’s gone all soft, mushy, and effeminate. And that spun sugar concoction on top of his head…what is it? a nesting place for ferrets in heat?
I Laughed so hard… you made me cry.. that was hilarious!!!
@hey
I only get unruly when I get frisked.
Well Viper don’t get too upset, there’ll come a time when you’ll be glad someone is still interested!
“but we should also teach them about decorum and boundaries, and”
Especially if it’s on a machine that will be lifting me 30,000 feet in the air and I don’t want an accident/crash caused because Bratleigh decided to go to the cockpit and distract the pilot or copilot.
It’s not just a means of travel, but it’s also something that flies several thousand feet in the air. I don’t want some little dipshit causing a crisis because she forgot her ritalin. Strap the kid in or don’t bring them.
I am totally on Ivana’s side! I used to be a Flight Attendant that worked those Palm Beach-NY flights from hell, and parents & kids run amok on those flights!!! One time I didn’t sleep for two nights because of the trauma, you think I’m kidding,I’m not!!! I think Delta owes Ivana a big apology, & a free trip!!!
Sakota: Yeah, because the possibility that a kid could break through the (locked) cockpit door, shove aside both pilots, and cause a fatal accident is definitely a plausible scenario. 🙄
Ivana – charter a plane.
Viper your insight and perspectives was beautiful…and very true. Thanks.
Jesus, don’t people have nannies to control their children anymore?
I don’t ride in first class to have fu**ing brats running up and down the aisles screaming. They should have stuck them with the luggage. You see people, this is why you take private planes.
The parents were not watching their children, shame on them.