Prince William wants credit for Prince Andrew giving up his titles & honors

Included in this post are some photos of Prince William out in London on Friday. He barely works, full-stop, but he rarely works on Fridays in particular. The event was William visiting the London Ambulance Service, where it looked like he was awkwardly making small-talk with EMTs and then awkwardly sitting at a big kids’ table and making “I’m listening” faces. By most accounts, this was his last bit of work before he and his family took off for the kids’ school break. God knows when we’ll see him again.

I bring up his family holiday, because William and his office want people to believe that William is responsible for what happened with Prince Andrew on Friday. Throughout the day, there was a persistent buzz that Buckingham Palace was going to make a move on Andrew, or that some kind of news would be forthcoming. It was all centered on what King Charles would do, and the potential conversations between the brothers (Charles and Andrew). In the first few hours after Andrew’s big announcement – that he would no longer use his ducal titles or his honors – the story remained centered on Andrew and Charles, and their consultation with each other. It still seems to be that this was all a generous deal struck between brothers, especially given that Andrew will retain Royal Lodge. Well, a short time later, William wanted credit for the Andrew situation.

People Magazine kept it simple, merely stating that William had been “consulted” about Andrew’s decision to “give up” his titles. GB News said the same – a mere consultation about the situation, and that consultation could have been an email or text for all we know. The Sun fleshed out some of the details – Charles was in Scotland in the past week, and he was on the phone with his courtiers and with Andrew, “leading frantic negotiations.” At some point, Charles “held crunch talks” with William about the situation. The Sun also points out that William won’t be happy about Andrew remaining at Royal Lodge, which is only half a mile away from Forest Lodge, the Waleses’ new forever home. Well, all of this vague “consultation” has led the Royalist to one inevitable conclusion: this was a huge victory for the Scooter King! Some macabre highlights from “The Fall of Prince Andrew is The First Great Triumph of King William V.”

William is responsible for all of this: Prince Andrew was publicly humiliated yesterday, forced to renounce his ducal title, and is now a duke only in memory. Buckingham Palace is furiously spinning the stripping of his titles as the personification of a resolute monarch, but let’s be very clear: the practical author of Andrew’s public annihilation is his nephew, the Prince of Wales. The announcement may have come from the office of the king, but it was William who wrote the latest chapter (one dare not say the ending because I’m told William still believes too many privileges remain to Andrew).

King Charles is dying: What the Palace refused to say [last year] —what the British papers continue not to print—is that the diagnosis was grave from the start. Reporters on the at times almost corrupt “royal rota” (a press pool) have spread the fiction of the “doing brilliantly” monarch. But everyone can see the truth: Charles looks exhausted, he has lost alarming weight, and he is still receiving regular radiotherapy and immunotherapy. He spends long stretches at Highgrove and Balmoral in near-total rest.

William has been gunning for Andrew since Charles’s cancer diagnosis: The announcement of Charles’s illness fired the starting gun on what courtiers call “the change of reign.” From that moment, power began to flow from the king to the heir. And from that moment, William’s patience—for his father’s sentimentality, for his brother’s chaos, and for his uncle’s entitlement—ran out.

William hated being ordered to chauffeur Andrew at Balmoral: William’s determination to do something permanent about Andrew when he becomes king can be traced to a single, humiliating moment: Balmoral, August 2023. William was ordered to drive Andrew to church. At that moment, Charles hadn’t pre-announced his own death. He was the all-powerful monarch who had to be obeyed. So William obeyed. The image—grim-faced heir behind the wheel, the disgraced Duke beside him—circulated around the world. William’s aides briefed furiously afterward that he had been obliged to do it, that it was not his wish. Those who know William say the episode hardened him. “That,” said one, “was the day he decided he would never be made to do something like that again.”

The Waleses refused to go to Christmas lunch in 2023: In retaliation, he refused to attend Christmas lunch with his family at Sandringham that year after learning Andrew and Sarah would be there. Charles imagined that inviting Andrew and Sarah Ferguson to join the family walk to church at Sandringham Christmas 2023 would be taken as a gesture of magnanimity. It was read as proof of delusion by William, who was incandescent.

William’s succession plan: “This is the pre-succession,” one former courtier told me. “It’s what Charles did to the Queen when he fired her private secretary, Christopher Geidt. Only now it’s being done to him.” William, for his part, has no interest in the sentimental family unity that his father prizes. He sees the monarchy as a brand, and Andrew (and Harry) as hugely damaging to it. His view, expressed repeatedly to aides, is that his uncle should never again be in the presence of the monarch. When Andrew attempted to get into a photograph at the Duchess of Kent’s funeral in September, William’s fury was instant.

William is already lobbying for credit: Intriguingly, the media looks ready to credit William for Andrew’s downfall. I’m noting repeated references to his role in reports, and I expect a lot of lobbying from his side on the matter in the next few days and weeks.

The Scooter King’s Letters Patent: But William, I am told, isn’t finished. When he ascends to the throne, I am told he will issue new letters patent (as royal executive orders are known) to strip Andrew (and Harry, Archie, Lilibet, Eugenie, and Beatrice) of their HRH and Princely titles. “When the king announced he had cancer,” said one palace source, “the reins slipped overnight.”

[From The Royalist Substack]

I like how the pro-Scooter royalists are gleeful at the thought of a vengeful, enraged, incandescent, jealous and punitive king. They’re rubbing their hands together at the thought of all of the screeching vengeance from the Scooter King, but they forget that William actually doesn’t give a sh-t about much, and he’s also lazy as hell. Sure, William is lobbying for credit for this Andrew situation, but you can actually tell from the quiet generosity of the “deal” that William had nothing to do with it. The deal is classic Charles – a half-measure, mid-dither, with barely enough red meat to appease the critics. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure William despises his uncle and I’m sure William wants Andrew completely gone. But I just don’t believe William had much to do with what happened to Andrew on Friday. Maybe I’m wrong! Who knows. As for the new letters patent… lmao. It is what it is. William will look absolutely pathetic, but he’s too stupid to understand that.

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142 Responses to “Prince William wants credit for Prince Andrew giving up his titles & honors”

  1. Tessa says:

    The embiggening of saint scooter continues. He did not lift a finger. And andrew is not using titles they were not taken away.

    • Libra says:

      Saint Scooter and Saint Buttons can be candidates for sainthood together. A two for one deal.

    • Goldenmom says:

      Even BBC homepage saying his titles were ‘taken away’ or a ‘titles loss’, quite a telling decision to put it that way. Keep yelling ‘not taken way’ at various media (like a lunatic). This family may give me a stroke with all their lies. Titles, cancer, forever homes, it never ends.

      And these pictures of Peggington are terrifying AND hilarious! Kaiser, again, superb choices.

  2. Becks1 says:

    I don’t think William
    Had anything to do with it but he wants
    All the credit which is pretty classic William.

    As for the idea of new letters patent – okay sure. Show the whole world how petty you are. Do it.

    • Eurydice says:

      That’s the thing. William thinks all this raging vengeance is a picture of manly resolve, but it just makes him look like a nutcase.

      • Chrissy says:

        Taking any action against the innocent Sussex children will definitely be seen as a choice! I hope he gets crucified by the public if he goes forward with this. Sick and obsessive- what a leader!

    • jais says:

      So the LP, if William wrote it, would mean that Prince Andrew is truly just Andrew and Prince Harry is truly just known as Harry and same for all their kids? That’s kind of wild. Am I understanding correctly? So being born of a king or queen no longer means someone is a prince. They’re only a prince if the monarch decides? Then, what is royalty even?

      • Harla says:

        Exactly, as Kaiser used to say “either they all have magic blood or none of them do”.

      • Bqm says:

        They become just like Anne’s kids. There’s no difference between William, Harry, Beatrice and Eugenie (and really Louise and James) and Zara and Peter other than they’re grandchildren through male vs female lines. If not for that sexism Peter and Zara would be HRH. Just like in Sweden until 2019. Madeline’s children were HRH until then and still retain Prince/princess.

    • Nic919 says:

      William is too dumb to realize that a letters patent removing the HRH from Harry and his children would end up catching Charlotte and Louis in his snare.
      You could argue that Andrew can be penalized for his criminal actions, but Harry is blameless. And what about Anne, Edward and the others with HRH who aren’t the heir? How do you remove some but not all of them?

      Also taking credit for non event will really look bad when the true extent of the horrors Giuffre endured come out on Tuesday. Let this William the tough guy shit sit with him during that.

    • Deborah1 says:

      It’s not going to be as easy to issue Letters Patent removing the royal titles of his enemies and their families (i.e. Andrew and Harry) as William seems to think it is.

  3. No lazy Peg doesn’t get credit for this. Virginia’s book gets credit for the Pedo not using his titles. What’s coming out is very bad and the pedo knows it. This is his small Mea culpa I won’t use my titles. He should be prosecuted and jailed!

    • Hypocrisy says:

      🎯👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

    • Deborah1 says:

      Agreed.

    • BlueNailsBetty says:

      Between Virginia’s book and the emails between Fergie and Andrew to Epstein …this is what caused Charles to tell Andrew to not use his titles. But Charles and William most likely don’t care about Andrew’s predilections because they have their own hinkyness behind the scenes. None of the aristocracy cares about the sexual antics of their class. They just don’t.

      So only public pressure from the media and the masses would cause them to tell Andrew to not use his titles.

      And William isn’t yanking anyone’s titles after he becomes king because the aristocracy would crater. If Andrew’s titles can be yanked then anyone’s can, and will, be yanked. The media knows this but they use this stupid storyline to oretend to embiggen Williams’s future power. They are just sucking up to him.

  4. Tessa says:

    I doubt scooter was forced to drive Andrew. He had to try to weasel out of it by saying he was forced. I don’t buy the excuse

    • Hypocrisy says:

      Just another rota lie to protect the heir.. he welcomed his pedo uncle openly imo while running his incandescent with rage and hate campaign against his brother.

    • Miranda says:

      I’m willing to believe that he was asked and resented doing it. It seems pretty obvious to me that he deeply dislikes Andrew (though it’s likely for personal or petty reasons, or just plain pomposity, rather than reviling him as a disgusting pedophile like any decent person would). But if he REALLY wanted to get out of chauffeur duties, he absolutely could’ve done so. This is a man who was deliberately late to his father’s coronation, just being an asshole for its own sake. He does what he wants (which is usually nothing at all).

      • Mrs. Smith says:

        Miranda — yep, I totally believe Scoots was resentful by being asked to do something. Another classic W move.

    • Ginger says:

      Scooter had no problem flying Andrew to see the Queen before she passed AND he had no problem ignoring Harry’s call at the same time. He clearly prefers Andrew over his brother.

      • Nic919 says:

        THIS. You cannot claim to despise your uncle when you made sure he was on the plane to Balmoral and yet you iced out your own brother. Does he hate his own brother more than uncle pedo?

        It was 2022. We all fucking knew what Andrew had done by then and William was fine with that and the church drive.

        We all know William doesn’t do things he doesn’t feel like doing. He was fine driving Andrew in full view. And guess what Kate looked fine too. She said walking next to Meghan was the hardest thing in her life.

        William is mad about the negative press Andrew is causing. He doesn’t actually hate him. In fact he shows what he does when he hates someone and that is what he’s done to Harry.

      • jais says:

        Oooh, I forgot about that.

      • Hypocrisy says:

        Exactly!!

      • Faraway says:

        Being a pedo, sex trafficker, corrupt a..hole is ok with Bulliam.
        Speaking out and “outing” his racist, condescending family isn’t!
        That’s the difference for Bulliam

    • Deborah1 says:

      I suppose he was “forced” in the same way he was forced to go to the Pope’s funeral when he would rather have gone to a football game. This all shows that William has absolutely no respect for his father’s rank as King. The behaviour of the Wales’s at KCIII’s coronation showed that too. Charles is dying, and William, like the vicious predator he is, senses blood and behaves accordingly.

    • AOC says:

      I don’t buy any of it!
      Randy Andy has given up nothing. This family is a disgrace, the only one who has any integrity whatsoever is Harry, so far as I can see, yet he is the one most vilified. QE2 protected this paedo from any consequences of his actions.
      Her and Chuck’s legacies will forever be tainted by their failure to express any kind of acknowledgement of the suffering of those children.
      Willnot is no better and his driving his sleazy uncle to church is now being reworked as being under duress. His body language on that day contradicts this. The taxpayers are being treated as morons. Funding should be withdrawn and their numerous homes sold and after recompense is paid to his victims the rest should be returned to fund the NHS, rebuilding the crumbling infrastructure and improving public services etc.

    • Gtwiecz says:

      And as I recall, he didn’t seem upset at all when he was driving Andrew in those 2023 pictures. Wasn’t Kate grinning on the backseat?

      Also, at the recent funeral, he and Andrew engaged in chitchat. William didn’t seem in no way to be embarrassed.

      KP public relations trying hard to erase memories and change the narrative. Also, another attack on Charles. Is Charles really dying, as in “how much time does he have left”? He seemed springly at the state dinner with Dump. I’ll only believe he is dying when we don’t see him anymore, in any engagement.

  5. Hypocrisy says:

    Taking credit for this so called punishment which is nothing but a sleight of hand con meant to appease the public is not a good pr move at all for Peg, but let him keep taking credit for his rage punishments. I truthfully wouldn’t be surprised if Peggy had his pedo uncle attended his shooting parties and will again in the future.

  6. Dee(2) says:

    Charles is going to go nuclear with the briefings after this article. But you reap what you sow. They let William live without any consequences or repercussions to his behavior for his entire life, looked the other way on his laziness, and did nothing to dissuade him from, and  actually actively participated in alienating his brother from the family. This is what you get. You’ve encouraged his petty tyrant ways for the past 25 years, and now that he’s close to being the king you realize that you have the tiger by the tail.

    He’s directing his minions to actively pursue his brother like a fugitive around the world, has thrown his wife under the bus numerous times, has telegraphed what he wanted to do to Andrew for years, and disrespected his mother’s memory, did Charles think that he was an exception?

    As for the letters patent, does anyone in that family actually like William? I can’t think that this will go over well. And he’s super lazy. He thinks it’ll make him look like a tough guy and I guess get everyone else in line, but it just makes him look like a loser. Beatrice and Eugenie have jobs and do a lot of charity work, whatever you may think of the seriousness of it. And I’m not even going to talk about the Sussexes. He’s just going to look like someone that’s punishing people for having the audacity to be better than him.

    • Lizzie Bennett says:

      William and Kate have made it clear they won’t do royal work. Beatrice and Eugenie could be persuaded to do some royal work out of respect for the legacy of QEII – take away their titles and I doubt they’d be willing to do anything at all. Is William really so deranged wants to burn it all down just to screw over Harry?

      • Lady D says:

        Yes, yes he is.

      • Chrissy says:

        I say yes! He seems to have the attention span and foresight of a gnat in never considering the consequences of his actions. He’s so out of his depth and doesn’t even see it. If the RF were smart, they’d muzzle him but Charles is weak and dithering, so he won’t. The BRF brand is a joke!

      • Smatone99 says:

        Yes, he is. He wants to remove Harry’s hrh more than anything. He cares much less about Andrew. He can’t take the Sussex title but he can take his hrh. He’s now just going to use this as an excuse. Harry can change his name to Prince Harry. That’ll fix it!

    • Harla says:

      @Dee, no I don’t believe that anyone in the family likes or respects William, they tolerate him, barely and only because one day he might hold the purse strings.

      Wow, this article makes William look like a cold, petty tyrant, less worried about the crown but more intent on exacting his personal revenge and retribution. I can’t help but draw comparisons between him and the Orange Tyrant. I wonder what was discussed when they had their private meeting recently?

      • CherryBerry says:

        I also see so many comparisons between William and Trump. Both petty, narcissistic, small men.

  7. Me at home says:

    I hope this comes back to bite Scooter King in the backside. William’s hogging credit for doing absolutely nothing, and everyone—except Sykophant, who earns a living sucking up to William—can see it. Andrew wasn’t using his titles anyway, not least because he was actually doing royal work.

    And the idea that Scooter King was “incandescent” over Andrew is laughable. If your defining trait is being perpetually furious and on the verge of a temper tantrum, that’s not strength—it’s a bad look.

    In other news, did Kate teach William to bare his teeth like that when he “smiles”?

    • Julia says:

      Exactly, Andrew has always been known as Prince Andrew and hardly anyone outside the royalist media called him the Duke of York. So what difference is this going to make to his life. He’s still unlikely to face any sort of criminal prosecution so who cares if he put some titles in abeyance?

    • Deborah1 says:

      ‘In other news, did Kate teach William to bare his teeth like that when he “smiles”?’ That snarl is not a good look. Looks like she taught him the jazz hands as well.

    • Debbie says:

      I think of William as “the boy who couldn’t smile.”

      • Monika says:

        I think Willi is more the boy who never grows up. Willi is caught in a permanent toddler temper tantrum.

    • Lady D says:

      Yes, what is up with that smile? I bet he practiced in a mirror or maybe he’s just hungry?/

    • paintybox says:

      We need a portmanteau for his grisly cross between a snarl and a “smile” – a smarl? A snile? And often his neck is straining, which makes me think a full moon is coming and maybe he’s going to start morphing into the Wolf Man. Calm down, William!

  8. Deborah1 says:

    I’m no fan of Andrew but this just shows what a vicious and vindictive creature William really is. He repulses me and the photos of him above give me the creeps. What a hypocrite William is too. He condemns Andrew yet he cosies up to Trump who had an equally (if not more so) sordid relationship with Epstein. I truly hope that Andrew spills the beans on the Scooter King one of these days because he (and Kate) deserve it.

  9. Tina says:

    So he’s going to strip Harry of his prince title and he will just be Harry, Duke of Sussex? Lol William is such a loser.

    • Angied says:

      He can’t strip Harry of his Prince title or his Duke of Sussex title. He can remove his HRH by a letters of patent but he will have to remove others too. My question will be does he want to go down that path. Harry and Meghan already don’t use their HRH. Harry is still a British citizen and is well liked globally so what will his reason be. He angry that Harry wrote a book. So did his Dad. The Duke of Sussex title has to be removed by Parliament and Labor runs that show. Does he really think that people only like and work with Harry because of his HRH. Harry and Meghan are known as hard workers and people who get things done. If he does anything it needs to be making It right with his brother so when he becomes king he can do things for his country and it’s people and not alienate the brown and black subjects by attacking the first mixed race royal children.

      • jais says:

        Somebody once said in a comment that if the HRH styling is taken then that also takes away the title of prince. I have no idea, truly. That’s why I said in a comment Friday that this going to get us all started on the protocols of stylings and titles and all the byzantine rules and protocols.

      • Nic919 says:

        The HRH is what gives the prince or princess title. That’s why Archie and Lily weren’t Prince and Princess until the Queen passed and they got the HRH.

        That’s why I said, what logic can William offer to remove it from Harry and his kids and not remove it from everyone else, including Charlotte and Louis, because neither of them are the heir. And really Anne, Edward and the elder cousins are not in the direct line either? Why do they keep it? If it’s about royal engagements then Louis and Charlotte have not done any either.

        So sure William, go there and destroy the monarchy for your envy of your brother. Anti monarchists will cheer.

      • Deborah1 says:

        @Nic919 – No, it doesn’t work like that. Andrew, Harry and their children are Princes/Princesses because of their birthright as close relatives (children or grandchildren) of a reigning monarch. William cannot just take that away from them because it would destroy the monarchy. The HRH titles (which are honorific titles) and royal dukedom titles can be taken away with difficulty, but not the princely birthright titles.

      • Mayp says:

        William can strip Harry of his princely titles by letter of patent. As well as the hrh. This was done previously around the beginning of the last century because it was decided that there were too many princes and princesses running around. That is when the title of Prince or Princess was confined to the children and grandchildren of a monarch. Each had a retroactive effect and there were a few descendants of Queen Victoria that lost their princely titles.

        When this issue first came up, of letters of patent to remove Archie and Lily’s titles, to appear fair, William would have to restrict the princely titles to only the children of the monarch and crown Prince/princess. This would have affected Archie and Lily but not Harry.

        To do this retroactively without appearing racist he would have to remove them as well from princess alexandra, princes Michael and Edward of kent, the wessex’ children, Louise and james, the York princesses and the sussexes children. I don’t think Charles was prepared to do this.

        So, now we are hearing that William wants to remove the princely titles from Harry and the York girls as well? If he does this it would telegraph nothing but vindictiveness.

        To be fair he would have to remove the princely titles of all the non-heirs of a monarch, i e Anne, Edward, Andrew (who has not lost his princely title), Charlotte and Louis as well.

        But we know that won’t happen. William, unlike his father, does not understand the horrible optics of the selective, and racist, yanking of princely titles at will.

        Is Harry’s title of Prince is taken from him by letter of patent, I think Archie and Lily would be respectively Lord and Lady. Someone correct me if I have the wrong honorific for the children of a duke. Archie could also use one of Harry’s subsidiary titles.

        If so, William would then probably lobby Parliament to remove Harry’s Dukedom.

        As far as Charlotte and Louie being affected by any changes in the letters of patent. Remember, William can issue as many of those as he likes. He could just issue new ones so that they and their children are accorded princely titles.

        It would become the situation of one not being a prince or princess from birthright but rather from the whim of a controlling and fickle Monarch.

      • Bqm says:

        The monarch, be it Charles or William, can remove the HRH and Prince/ss. George V did in 1917 when he made the Battenbergs and Tecks become Mountbatten’s and Cambridges. He also turned Prince Alastair of Connaught into the Earl of macduff (his mother’s subsidiary title) at age 3 when he restricted HRH to the grandchildren of the monarch in the male line. He didn’t revoke his cousins Helena Victoria and Marie Louise but they became princesses of nowhere instead of Schleswig Holstein. The monarch is the fount of honors and it just needs a Letters Patent unlike dealing with a peerage.

        He could just issue one saying HRH is restricted to the children of the monarch for as long as that parent is monarch. Or children of the monarch while they’re working royals etc. And grandfather in Anne and Edward and any surviving cousins.

        It’s the peerages William can’t touch though he can control future ones like Charles did with the Edinburgh title. But once they’re bestowed it’s in parliament’s hands.

      • Nic919 says:

        The letters patent are an instrument of law that can be issued by the monarch directly. Many above confirmed that previous monarchs have removed HRHs from existing Princes as George V did in 1917.

        Therefore William can, as monarch, remove the Prince title from anyone he wants. If he wants to blow up the credibility of the crown by turning it into Pettyville UK then the anti monarchists will be fine with it.

        William can’t touch the line of succession or the ducal titles. And in terms of the line of succession, it is not just the UK parliament that needs to approve any change. All the realms including Canada, Australia, NZ and others would have to approve the changes.

      • jais says:

        As you say @Mayp, “It would become the situation of one not being a prince or princess from birthright but rather from the whim of a controlling and fickle Monarch.” That’s where I’m stuck. Bc what is royalty then if not birthright? The son of the king isn’t a prince? Since when? I actually think it would go down very poorly in America. We were raised on Disney so this is going to look so bad on William’s part. I get that the BM would try to finesse and propaganda the hell out of it, but I just don’t see William looking good to Americans at all over this. Really I don’t. Saying I decree that my brother is no longer a prince bc I say so. His kids, the first mixed-race kids ever in the monarchy, are no longer prince and princess bc I say so. He can word twist about working royals or too many royals with titles all he wants but there’s no way he doesn’t come across as a weak and petty little man. And listen get rid of the monarchy and all the titles, np. But this picking and choosing based on jealousy is not giving strength. It’s giving massive insecurity for real.

      • Mayp says:

        @jais, I agree. I don’t think there’s any way that William could wrangle the removal of the Sussexes’ (and the York princesses’ for that matter) titles by letters of patent without it looking petty and vindictive. As others have mentioned here, the royalists will be all for this and the british tabloid Press would paint Williams actions as righteous and those of a strong and decisive monarch – but many in the US and the small and large “R” Republicans in the UK will not. History will not be kind to William.

    • Deborah1 says:

      No, if Sykes is to be believed, the Scooter King is planning to strip them of everything: princely (birthright) titles, royal dukedoms, HRHs – just everything – and banish them into exile (Harry of course already lives “in exile”). Well, it’s not going to be as easy as Scooter King thinks it is and it will just show him up for the vicious, nasty individual that he is. Britain is no longer an Absolute Monarchy and now the British Parliament holds all the cards. The sooner Willy, royalist sycophants and the rota rats realise that, the better. I think we need a No Kings protest in Britain too, but for a different reason than the USA.

      • Startup Spouse says:

        People will still call him “Prince Harry” even without HRH or whatever so the joke is on William.

  10. Joanne says:

    Someone please teach William how to stand so he doesn’t look like he’s expecting to be hit in the crown jewels any moment.

  11. Amy Bee says:

    William had no problem travelling with Andrew to Balmoral when the Queen died but he made sure that Harry was left behind. If he was so against Andrew why didn’t William give Andrew the same treatment that he gave to Harry on that day?

  12. Miranda says:

    I do not believe that William is as instrumental as he’s claiming. But also? I really don’t think it makes him look good to be seen as pestering his seriously ill, possibly dying father on an issue that he clearly intends to take care of himself when the time comes. Especially when the impact was somewhat muted anyway by allowing Andrew to do a “you can’t fire me, I quit”, as if he made a noble and selfless decision for the good of the monarchy (and we all know he’s not really giving up shit anyway, but that’s beside the point). William could’ve made a much stronger statement by quietly letting his father’s plan play out, then taking action against Andrew immediately upon his own succession (as he’s vowed to do, ad nauseum, for years now).

  13. Talie says:

    The new letters patent HRH thing would probably get support if he also included Charlotte and Louis in recognition that they will probably not be working royals either. But if he just wants to be punitive, particularly against two young children, for reasons…then it’ll look petty and small. But the British media will cover for him on that. If he was decent, he would instead restore his mother’s HRH as a tribute to her memory. Anyway, I’ve seen loads of articles admitting that nothing as really changed for Andrew – he’s lost nothing. I also think this is less about Virginia’s book and more about the Epstein files probably being released by end of year.

    • Deborah1 says:

      William promised to do that at one time but I doubt he will do it when he becomes king after calling his mother paranoid.

  14. GMHQ says:

    The hilarious thing about this story and all the briefing around William taking charge is even if true… and it is not… the table stakes are so low that only the Brit’s would take this seriously. Coups about what? Who gets to wear a crown and robes? Who gets to decide which members of one family get to live and what phony medals they get to wear? Who gets to feed the gossip writers nasty crap about his relatives? None of this stuff is real or matters and is irrelevant not just to the rest of the world but to the bread and butter issues in the UK. Thank goodness Meghan manages an escape from the looney bin for Harry so they can do things that actually matter.

  15. maja says:

    I don’t know why I think this, but I don’t believe William will actually harm his brother, his wife or his family publicly by stripping them of their remaining rights. He probably welcomes some of the malicious articles against Harry and Meghan and may even contribute to them himself, but I believe he knows that openly destroying his brother’s remaining titles would only provoke further attacks against himself. I believe he is fighting an internal battle against a palace and an administrative apparatus that want to dictate what he should and should not do. And I believe he despises the press at least as much as his brother does. He is probably working with them on the advice of the palace, Charles and Camilla, but in my opinion that will change when he is king. And I believe that he does not particularly like the entire Windsor family, including his stepmother.
    I think it is entirely possible that William, as king, will not reconcile with Harry, but will re-establish contact with him. The problem is that the public will never forget what he has done to his brother and his family, whether actively or through his silence in the face of hatred, incitement, racism and sexism. Because of his role, he has a very long way to go before he can get to where his brother is, at least in terms of inner freedom.
    He is visibly fighting for freedom, and we must not forget that he is a severely traumatised man who has never sought help. This means that all his demons remain.

    • Chrissie T says:

      I think you may have a point here. There will be a lot of briefings not necessarily all true. I just keep thinking what a sad man he seems. There is no energy or enthusiasm there just rage possibly out of frustration. His anger is unhealthy for him and needs to be addressed.

    • Smatone99 says:

      You’re being too kind to scooter. He’s the one briefing non stop how much he hates his brother, and that Meghan is a narcissist. He’s the one who set half the media onto the Sussex family. He’s being manipulated on some topics but not Harry. That’s all him.

    • Lizzie Bennett says:

      I think the men in grey suits might force William to act reasonably, but who knows.

  16. Harla says:

    My royal insiders assure me that Kate’s hairdressers, neighbors cat had a much bigger role in pressuring Andrew to give up his titles than William did, and I believe that! One quick claw slide down the calf and he was ready to sign the papers.

  17. Nikki (Toronto) says:

    I know this is unrelated, but I’m going to need William to learn how to smile without showing his teeth. That’s all.

  18. HuffnPuff says:

    This “punishment” is a nothing burger. The man raped teens and young women. How does telling him that he can’t call himself Duke of York any sort of punishment? His titles have not been removed. This is more of a strong scolding. He should be prosecuted along with any other perpetrators. And if found guilty, he should lose it all. If the scooter prince wants to take credit for this, fine. It’s nothing to write home about. Just scooter prince looking for ways to embiggen himself as others have said. He’s trying to project a strong image of himself to soften the blow when he becomes king and does absolutely nothing. All he wants is to have a regular life but with the wealth, protection and status. What he fails to understand is that it’s one or the other. Not both.

    • jais says:

      Here’s my thing. I don’t even care about Andrew’s titles and whether they’re stripped or just not in use. Sure, they’re important to him so there’s some small satisfaction in that. But really, he shouldn’t have gotten security and money for as long as he did. That’s a bigger deal to me than the titles. It should be investigated how he is able to afford Royal Lodge and if there’s illegalities in how he is currently getting money, then he should be prosecuted for them. Let him keep his little titles but freaking investigate and charge the man, just as anyone else would be, title or not.

  19. Criti Calthinking says:

    Scooter is really out here acting like there isn’t a closet full of his skeletons and strap ons….and 400 potential to be leaked left out pages of Spare.

  20. jais says:

    All of this feels like William was mad at being in pictures with Andrew at that funeral. But the videos showed him acting pretty chill and normal with Andrew. I don’t know that he cares about Andrew so much as being seen as showing up his dad. His pr is all about how strong he is versus the weak king. There are shades of Trump here. All this talk about how strong and powerful William is and then you see him and you’re like eh, yeah no, not really.

    • Libra says:

      @jais, Right on! Trumpish behavior. All hat and no cowboy.

    • Deborah1 says:

      William shares a lot of traits with Trump, in particular a burning desire for revenge and pettiness. It’s probably why they appear to get along so well. What William doesn’t seem to realise is that Trump is even seedier than his hated uncle Andrew. What a hypocrite!

    • RavenBlue says:

      I see a lot of similarities between the two as well

  21. Nerd says:

    Before I even read the article, I just want to emphasize that Andrew did not lose his titles, he has only agreed to not use the titles that he still has. So if William wants credit for anything, it would be for the lie that Andrew no longer has his titles and that he is sacrificing anything because of duty to the monarch or the country. William is wanting credit for gaslighting the public into believing that he is so king like that he convinced Andrew to give up titles that only Parliament can take away and since Parliament hasn’t done anything of the sort. This is a lie that Andrew, William, Charles and the UK media are telling the public. Futhermore, Andrew hasn’t referred to himself as the DOY in years (the media has) so he wouldn’t be sacrificing anything anyway.

  22. Rapunzel says:

    If William had any power, the Wales fam would have gotten Royal Lodge.

  23. Over it says:

    I have this fantasy, Harry turns up at the wanks big hat party at the church wearing grey sweatpants, a yellow not my king teeshirt. A baseball cap saying spare me with an envelope in his hand , which contains a letter informing wank that he can take his titles and stuff it up his pegger Then walks off back to his waiting car and back home to his family. How beautiful is this fantasy of mine . Sigh

  24. Scooby Gang says:

    Taking credit for WHAT?!?
    Nothing has happened!

    And the arrogance of these pathetic morons to think the world sees their titles as of such importance that simply agreeing to not publicly use one qualifies as punishment for crimes that should put people behind bars.

  25. Nic919 says:

    So glad Harry and Meghan are out of this mess.

    That said, William taking credit for being a tough guy for this non punishment will really look bad once the Giuffre book details are made public. Only some of it has been made public but press members who have read said it is very bad. Let William be the tough guy then.

    • Hypocrisy says:

      Yep, opening the book and actually reading it before making briefings (gaslighting the public) about this non punishment would have been the smart thing but then again Peg doesn’t read and certainly doesn’t come across as very intelligent because None of this is good pr.

  26. Grandma Susan says:

    All the years of William clenching his jaw have made his jaw the biggest feature on his skull. It looks awful and the scanty beard isn’t helping.

  27. Hattie says:

    It seems William briefed the author of the latest York book, the “tell” was that he couldn’t help but substitute his own bad behaviour with Harry’s. Saying Harry punched Andrew when it was most likely William in the dust-up. In fact, any journalist who equates Andrew and Harry is being briefed by William.

    Something tells me William has authored his own demise, just like his father and uncle.

    The real irony is that Charles and Andrew combined forces to get rid of their mother’s private secretary, Lord Geit, and that single decision has brought their downfall. Geit had spent years protecting them from themselves. He would have NEVER allowed Andrew to do that interview. He had already devised a plan to responsibly integrate Meghan into the family properly, which is why he arranged the train ride with the Queen.

    But most importantly, he would never have allowed the bogus letter from the Queen, which allowed Camilla to be queen instead of princess consort, as had been agreed. This was the payment to Charles for protecting his brother. It would have never gotten this far because Geit knew how to contain Andrew.

    Geit would have never allowed William to brief against Harry daily for the past 8 years.

    Without Geit, it has been like letting toddlers run a candy shop…

    I have no idea why William thinks he would be a better King than his father when he has not shown any substance of character so far. Read the papers; he is only being praised for his meanness and cruelty.

    • Is that so? says:

      All that backstabbing sounds downright Shakespearen

    • Deborah1 says:

      It was never explained why Christopher Geidt was pushed out by Charles and Andrew but your post explains a lot. Lord Geidt is a man of impeccable character and it is very telling that after leaving the royal family’s employ he began work as an Ethics Adviser to British PM Boris Johnson, a position he soon resigned from for obvious reasons.

      • BeanieBean says:

        Oh, gad! What a challenging work environment that must have been!

      • jais says:

        I swear I read sometime back that Charles and Andrew didn’t like the fact that Edward and Sophie were being given so many duties by the Queen and that was one of the reasons. Which is ironic now bc Charles and William both needs them to be his errand boys. Go to this country and this country and this country.

  28. Is that so? says:

    “Maybe I’m wrong! Who knows. As for the new letters patent… lmao. It is what it is. William will look absolutely pathetic, but he’s too stupid to understand that.”

    He will look like the current American president, using the apparatus of state for personal vengeance.

  29. martha says:

    sidenote: I’m becoming convinced he’s got an untreated anxiety disorder. That gurning! As a general anxiety sufferer myself, some of his physical movements are familiar.

    If he also talks too much here – that’s me!

    Not an excuse for being an assh*le, but it may explain some of the awkwardness that adds to his unappeal.

  30. Over it says:

    I just zoomed into scooter Peggy face and DAMN . I got one maybe two words for incandescent wank. VASALINE AND COCOBUTTER

  31. QuiteContrary says:

    William the Incandescent is back.

    This is all such B.S. Andrew should be in jail, period. This agreement is just a slap on his gross, sweaty hand.

    • Chrissy says:

      Exactly. After all that’s happened he shouldn’t even be walking freely. I hope Virginia’s book puts the fear of God into the ‘sweaty ponce’!

  32. Harla says:

    I believe that we are watching, in real time, the death rattle of the House of Windsor and the British monarchy.

  33. tamsin says:

    The focus on Andrew seems to be the perfect cover for the Wales family to quietly move into their new forever home.

  34. Faraway says:

    Meantime, according to Tom Psychofart claims he has it on good authority ( Bulliam the Autocrat’s friends and allies) that he will issue letter patents to strip Andrew and his daughters, Harry and Archie & Lillibet princely titles…

    • Libra says:

      If this happens, the rest of the family will fall in line with King William and support him for 2 reasons, fear that they could be next so better boot lick ,a d because whoever holds the power holds the pursestrings.

      • Mayp says:

        This is what William wants and I see the older generations of the royal family falling in line but I don’t know about the younger royals. Ol’ Betty also kept her relatives in line by controlling the purse strings and housing but she at least offered them work, money and recognition of their work (hanging out on the balcony at trooping, the pre-Christmas dinner, etc).

        But with William it’s not a Carrot and Stick as incentive but rather just a stick with which he will beat the non-compliant, or unfavored, royals and lesser royals.

        Refusing to allow the York princesses to do Royal work won’t be enough. I am sure yanking their titles is a goal born out of pure pettiness and bias. When William was younger it was reported that he looked down on his York cousins because he felt they were inferior, lineage wise. I’m sure he feels the same way about the Edinburgh children.

        William doesn’t give a crap about his relatives and no amount of sucking up to him will get them what they want, titles, money, etc. just look at how Eugenie and Beatrice have been sucking up to them and attending Royal events, or giving a tour to a foreign princess when Kate can’t be bothered. If this story is true, all of their efforts to get on Williams side have been for naught. I am hoping that the younger royals finally realize this and choose to not deal with his toxicity.

    • jais says:

      It’s a weird dichotomy but Americans love prince and princess stories but not so much kings. I was just noting this upthread, but to an American audience, this is going to make no sense. We’re having NoKing protests all over the country and here’s the future King William who is planning on stripping titles for whatever xyz reason he gives. Everybody is going to know it’s just bc he’s jealous and doesn’t like his brother. What he sees as a move of strength is the biggest indicator of insecurity. And for someone who a few years back was all about winning over America, it’s a bizarre choice.

  35. Faraway says:

    What’s with that grimace of Bulliam? New teeth? Looks truly fake ( and hideous) 😬

  36. Eliza says:

    First picture he’s hunched over causing him to look diminished. The second picture he looks downright manic.

  37. Jay says:

    I think the most noteworthy thing about this story ( at least for me) is the casual way in which this source has all but left Charles for dead and crowned William as his regent. The bluntness is… surprising, don’t you think?

    Someone on William’s team was allowed to say that Charles had ” pre-announced his own death” and that he’s spending “long stretches at Highgrove and Balmoral in near-total rest”. Not only that, but they also warned that the “royal rota” was spinning lies about the King’s health, just as they had about the Queen’s. In the not too distant past, this kind of thing would be considered treasonous to say about the monarch.

    Not only that, but the detail that Christopher Geidt was indeed “pushed out” by Charles (and others) in favour of his own people? I remember that detail from Harry’s book and it has been hinted at, but I don’t recall a member of the British press ever confirming it so boldly. There’s a pretty sordid implication here that Charles manipulated his mother in her twilight years just as William is now doing to him (although Charles was much more subtle than his son if this leak to the press is any indication).

    • Bqm says:

      The bbc, Times, Daily express and others reported it at the time.

      And more did after Valentine Low’s book Courtiers.

    • Nic919 says:

      Even if Charles is taking long periods of rest, he’s still doing ten times as many things as William.

      • jais says:

        And that’s the truth right there. I know there’s all this talk from “William’s friend” about the power shifting to the heir, but ehhhh, where’s the evidence of that? This Andrew thing? Please. William can’t even do the bare minimum, so whatever power he may be trying to usurp, it’s limp at best bc he’s a lazy and weak man. He’s working so hard to get people to write about what a tough guy he is in comparison to his weak and passive dad, and I’m still like, really, dude, you barely work in comparison to that man.

    • BeanieBean says:

      I found that interesting, too, since the rota rats threw a collective snit fit over Harry saying something as benign as wanting to see his father because he didn’t know how much time he had left.

    • jais says:

      I think part of that is the fact that Sykes was kicked off the WhatsApp group for pretty innocuously mentioning something about the king’s health. So in retaliation, he’s going all in on that topic. For a man who just a month ago was part of that rota WhatsApp group, it’s a little ironic to be calling them out as liars now. Not that they’re not liars and hagiographers, lol.

  38. Over it says:

    Do you think that Willy and his. Media lapdogs ever stop and think about the pain and hurt And real damage they have caused and continue to cause to Harry Meghan and their family? These people are truly evil

  39. Beverley says:

    That “smile” is really unsettling. Scooter King is a deeply unhappy person.
    Hope all the trappings of undeserved wealth make up for it.

  40. Elly says:

    William won’t even speak to Harry plus Harry and Meghan were evicted from Frogmore but Andrew is still living in Royal Lodge. From comments I’ve read from royalists it’s because Andrew is “loyal”. Because Harry spoke about his feelings of being scapegoated by the RF, he and his family are banished. If only someone in the RF had been less “loyal” and spoken up about Andrew it might have stopped him from his deviant behavior. It’s just so warped and sickening.

  41. therese says:

    I don’t really care one way or the other. I note that rather than being an effectual and regular servant of “his people”, the actions he wants credit for are at someone else’s demise. He is not reacting because he is outraged at his uncle’s perfidy, but that some of the stink has or may brush off on him. Good King William, the spinner. But actually, he isn’t very good. He isn’t good to his brother, he isn’t good to his wife, he isn’t good to his father. Regardless of how bad a father Charles is, William treats his father despicably. William is not a nice guy, that’s why his hideous public “grins” are so ugly: they are not genuine. They are performative. As far as his uneasiness about Andrew living so close to their new home, then why move there. He knew the proximity before he moved. Is this his way of inching towards a Royal Lodge takeover? And in contrast is his brother, Prince Harry, Harry is not blind to what his father has done and is doing, but he loves him anyway. He can’t help himself, because he is a nice guy. I dare say he would want to serve his father and be of help to him. Harry is a Prince among men, and the world has already conveyed upon him the title he deserves and will always have: good Prince Harry.

  42. Sharon says:

    Winter is coming and so is the reign of King Joffrey.

  43. Cassie says:

    William is hideous on the outside and the inside .
    Hatred and jealousy have made him into an ugly person .

  44. ShoppeGirlMN says:

    He should practice his faces in front of a mirror (like the rest of us).

  45. bisynaptic says:

    LOL The “at times almost corrupt” royal rota. 😂
    They’re a bunch of vultures, aren’t they, picking at the barely-dead carcass of their current monarch.
    It doesn’t matter what letters patent William issues (although his courtiers might talk sense into him): Harry will always be Prince Harry, even after they abolish the monarchy. (So will Andrew, I suspect, simply because that’s how people have come to know him.)

  46. Over it says:

    The only reason wank is all of a sudden upset about driving uncle randy to church a couple years ago is because people are mentioning it and we all know they pay attention to what people say about them. It wasn’t bothering him when he did it and it’s not bothering him now. He just doesn’t want people talking about it and saying he did it . I also think it’s funny how he can say I don’t care what my father the king says, I will do whatever I want because he is dying. Imagine if Harry said something like that, he would be hung from the media rafters. Peggy is a petulant child and is in desperate need of mental help. Notice how incandescent is back on the table again. I guess that incandescent is hard to hide from even their media bootlickers

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