The latest issue of OK! Magazine has a cover story claiming that Angelina is “Tormented by Guilt!” (emphasis added) after her stupid comment inviting Aniston to sit down with her and have a nice girl chat about the fact that she lured her hapless husband away. Commentors point out that Angelina never brought up the subject that she would like to talk to Aniston and that the interview makes it seem as if she was asked about it and was just answering a question.
I was fooled into buying OK! as they claimed it was an exclusive story and I thought it might be an interview, but all they do is speculate that Angelina is going to make it up to Aniston for supposedly pouring salt in the wound of her failed marriage or for ripping open the scab or whatever. They have an “insider” who claims that Angie is going to figure out some way to apologize to her for talking about it yet again, but it seems like all they did was rehash the Angelina vs. Aniston feud to sell magazines. It worked on me.
The more interesting part of the article is an inset story about how Angelina and Aniston have similar family backgrounds. They both come from LA acting families, and each went years without talking to a parent after a perceived wrong:
While Angelina and Jen may appear to be opposite, their backgrounds are actually quite similar. Both were born in Los Angeles to acting families. Jen is the daughter of soap star John Aniston and retired actress Nancy Dow; Angelina is the daughter of Oscar winner Jon Voight and retired actress Marcheline Bertrand. When Angelina and Jen were children, their fathers cheated on and then left their mothers. As adults, each woman became estranged from one parent: Angelina hasn’t spoken to her father since he declared in 2002 that she had “mental problems,” while Jen only recently reconnected with her mom, who gave a tell-all interview about the star in 1996. With so much in common, maybe Brad’s women can set aside their differences and be friends after all.
[from OK! print version, January 15, 2007]
At least Aniston is talking to her mom again, but when is Angelina going to make up with her dad? He’s made it clear that he would love to see his grandchildren, but the poor guy has to read interviews with Angelina giving more personal details to the press than she would ever share with him. He doesn’t seem like the sharpest tool in the shed, and he recently called Zahara “Shakira” by mistake, but kids deserve to know their grandparents and it doesn’t seem like Angelina is being fair to Voight.
What is it about Brad that draws him to such f’ed up women, or is this type of family estrangement common and could that explain it? I’ve never heard of any of my friends not talking to their parents for years. Even if they have bad relationships with their family, they deal with it and argue. When grandchildren are involved you put on a happy face and let your kids get spoiled.
Update: I’ve been thinking about this, and of course there are unforgivable abuse-type situations that would lead someone not to talk to family for years. I did not mean to sound so callous about it. This sounds like more of a smack-talking issue, though I’m sure there’s more involved that we don’t know about.
Angelina is way hotter than Aniston
Angelina: sexiest hollywood actress
I haven’t spoken to my father in 19 years which is when my mother died. I also stopped speaking to all my relatives after my mom’s death.
Some may say I have a cold dead heart…and maybe I do. But I don’t want those people around my children or in my life, and with good reason.
Maniston should keep her Chin up, or down. AJ should reconcile with her father. He may be getting old and senile but he is one of the greatest actors ever. Just his performance alone in the Odessa File is one of actings best.
Aniston is still a loser! Chins up Chinnefer!
I agree with Jon Voight. Angelina obviously has mental problems. She may be beautiful, but crazy overpowers that! Charity is a wonderful thing, but how about starting in your own frickin country?
If you love those third world countries so much, go live there and be done with it.
Other people do all sorts of charitable things every day, but the difference is they don’t make sure the photogs see it. That’s not charity. It’s P.R.
And by the way….Jennifer Aniston happens to be a very beautiful and talented actress. Angelina is, too. The difference is Jennifer is not a HOMEWRECKER, and has handled the whole nightmare with dignity and grace.
I know two people who do not speak with their fathers and have kept their children from them because they don’t want those manipulators to ruin their children’s lives. As a parent it is your responsibility to protect your children, and if you’ve been emotionally and mentally abused by someone for most of your life, you don’t want your children to be involved with all of that and be a potential victim of a known abuser. (Yes, emotional manipulation is a form of abuse). Sometimes you have to be cold and remove people from your life because it really is the best thing for your family. This may sound strange to some people, but we all have choices to make.
Jon Voight talks about Angelina to the press so he can get his mug on TV. He is a media whore and will do or say anything for publicity. What asshole father goes to ET to tell them he thinks his daughter needs mental help? Hello. Thanks DAD! I wouldn’t speak to that prick every again either! Think about this. When was the last time you saw any story about JV that didn’t have anything to do with Angelina. She knows her dad is using her for publicity. She would do well to keep her kids far away from that egomaniac. She is a good mother and knows what is best for her kids.
I tried to stay out of it as I had a personal experience of this kind (I have since reconciled with my father) so all I can say is: you don’t know what’s behind the reason why they don’t want to have those people in their lives. I feel bad for Jon Voight when I see him plead with Angelina (by talking to Extra! or other shows) about how much he misses her and wants to be in her life. I remember, however, when he went on television to say she has serious mental issues and begged her to seek help. EVEN IF she had mental issues, I don’t think I could forgive if my parent did something like that. At the time, Angelina was in the process of adopting Maddox. Having her emotional well-being questioned by her own father didn’t help. Who knows WHAT ELSE happened between them.. As to Jennifer, I don’t think she’s reconciled with her mom yet–the tabloids have diverging stories. I think that her mom made her feel bad about herself when she was growing up and then wrote that book exposing her private life. Maybe she just doesn’t want that kind of toxic influence in her life? We only know part of the story. I hope they both eventually reconcile with their parents (we all make mistakes, after all) but I would not presume to know what’s really going on.
i dont think eather women should be insulted enymore evrytime eather of them says something is taken the wrong way especially regarding their families
chibarosa | 01.11.07 – 10:27 am | #
I LOVE what you said.
Whoa, whoa, whoa there Tex; they’re “fed up women” because they have parent issues? Seriously, that’s all it takes to be “f’ed up”?
You might want to hop off of your moral high horse just a minute there and consider what you’re saying. That’s not just a harsh judgement, it’s ignorant and rude.
If one of your parents isn’t healthy for you (and that can be in a multitude of ways before it even becomes physical assault) and they refuse to acknowledge their behaviour then yes, you can be estranged from a parent.
It happens to a lot of celebs (and people), not just because they have the resources to be utterly finanicially independent but also due to their likelihood of being narcissistic (ps – NOT just celebs are narcissists plenty or ‘normal’ people are too – they just find other ways to make themselves the centre of attention).
And why are most celebrities narcissistic? Because of their upbringing.
In this respect, a clash with those who raised you is not just unavoidable but kind of inevitable.
Everyone at some point feels the need to separate from a parent physically or emotionally – even if the desire is only a mild one – that’s healthy because you have to outgrow other people’s instilled boundaries and decide on your own. In a celebrity context, even outside of psychological considerations, it can easily be taken to an extreme because they’re so often in an unusually powerful position.
Added to this, celebrity not only puts you in a spotlight but it isolates you to a degree – because people want to associate with you purely because you’re celebrated. And in trying to find out who likes you and for what reasons, parents – being parents in a situation where you don’t know who to trust and in some cases they’ve known you all your life – can take advantage themselves and be manipulative, so it’s pretty hard to call anyone out in that kind of situation because it’s very much between individuals and about their relationships with each other (and this extends to siblings in the same family because *shock* parents relate to different children differently). And it’s NOT something that you can see easily as an outsider, even if you’re living with the people in question, let alone if you ‘know’ them through the media.
While estrangement can cut off avenues of communication, the very fact that celebrities are in the public eye and their relationships are constantly under scrutiny (and fire) means that most of the time, simply by force of public interest a rapproachment is possible. Most celebs try to reach out or be reached at some point but, if they feel the pain a parent has caused is too much for them to forgive (and again this goes for anyone), or an attitude hasn’t changed and isn’t going to, there really isn’t any reason to associate with someone who’s presence is damaging.
Especially when you don’t have to.
It’s not much more than that.
The only different between your parents and other people is that they gave birth to you and (often but not always) raised you – making them instrumental in your developing attitudes and behaviours. This makes them significant, yes, but on an emotional level it doesn’t make them any healthier or saner than perfect strangers, it just makes them more familiar.
If you, Celebitchy, and all your friends, have a great relationships with everyone in your and their (extended) family, then be thankful. But please don’t judge people who don’t. If you must, judge their methods of dealing with it. And I’d save “f’d up” for when someone’s being cut into tiny pieces.
Generally, conflict with a parent means that even if you’re not, you are attempting to grow up.
Celbitchy that comment about f’up women was just rude and arrogant of you.
FF
If you deserve attention, why not take it? It’s fun, try it, can’t? Oh, sorry…
“The noble soul has reverence for itself.”
Nietzsche
PS, It’s really rude to take up someone else’s website with 15,000 word entries that say nothing, get your own site.
I knew someone was going to take that comment out of context.
Nice avoidance of the point, Domidroid.
ps – if you want to ‘shrink’ someone, you might want to meet them first. All I said was her comment was uncalled for, and I did it longhand because I always get someone deciding to get beside the point, or deliberately misunderstand it.
But hey, gold star for you, for doing it and attempting to look ‘insightful’ in the process. I’d stick a quote at the bottom of my post but I don’t need someone else’s opinion to make me look smarter. Oh, sorry…
You’re right, someone else’s quote wouldn’t make you look smarter.
ps – if it’s too long, don’t read it.
It’s not rocket science.
But blogs who invite comments can actually (ye horrors!) get them.
If it’s traumatic for you NOT to read something, that sucks for you.
Say what you like after this, I’m out.
eep, op, glorp,…file not found.
famil disfunction does not make anubody f’ed up
Domidroid, did you read anything of what ff wrote?
I thought it was quite intelligent and insightful.
Of course I read it, it was emotional, pointless garble, but I read it. Thing is, if you can’t take the heat…, you don’t call someone out, then run away when they ‘bring it’.
I didn’t retreat from the “heat”. There was no “heat”, Domidroid. I just happen to think ten million pointless replies that involve me sniping with you is what’s actually “rude”, “emotional… garble”.
Should have thought of that before you started it. BTW, Thanx for visiting domidroid.com, don’t deny it.
Hmmmm, didn’t CB recently expose dumidroid for posting a conversation with herself in which she pretends to be two individuals who try to convince readers how beautiful and intelligent she is? (Dec 15: As if we Need More Evidence OJ Was Guilty).
LMAO, must be one of those civilian narcissists you referred to in your blog FF.
Good comment by the way.
FF,
I am sure it was not C|B’s intention to claim that f’ed up women are solely that way due to bad parenting.
You bring up many interesting points in your very very looong diatribe but in the end, I have to say that this is a gossip blog and a matter of opinion… I am sure C|B was just showing that there was a correlation between these two women and did not mean to cause such consternation.
But your opinion is appreciated even though some/me may scoff at how touchy you are… it is after all, escapism and should be taken with a grain of salt.
And some people use all that psychobabble about their parents because they’re pissed off that they can’t get money to buy crack from their folks anymore (my brother, the over educated piece of pond scum that he is!).There are always two sides to any story.
–>Hmmmm, didn’t CB recently expose dumidroid for posting a conversation with herself in which she pretends to be two individuals who try to convince readers how beautiful and intelligent she is? (Dec 15: As if we Need More Evidence OJ Was Guilty).
Yup, she sure did. I read those as well. And CB revealed that those messages were from the same IP address. Dumb-roid got busted!
Problems with your parents … isn’t that like in the Constitution or something … protected as a basic American right … I havent ever heard ofan extended conversation between a Founding Father and his, by definition, Unfounded Parents.
Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Media Flap -iness … I’d swear to it on a stack of Korans!
Celebitchy, I love your updates. You do your homework and don’t just hit and run like most blogs do. And apparently you read the comments and actually take more than one side of a story into consideration. I applaud you!
I think that Angelina has every right to keep her children away from such a toxic influence. Her father tried not only to make her mentally incompetent, he tried to block the adoption of her children.
Also, I think that its ridiculous to criticize someone for doing charity in third world countries. Whenever I see someone say “why don’t you start in your own country” I always wonder what that person has done to help others in ANY country.