Jared Kushner ‘turned over documents’ to Robert Mueller’s investigation

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Here are just SOME of the things that we know about Jared Kushner: he’s terrible at filling out forms or any kind of paperwork; he kept at least two private email accounts while he was working in the White House; he explicitly denied colluding with any foreign government, even though there is a mountain of evidence to the contrary; Jared was in the meeting in Trump Tower with Don Jr, Paul Manafort and the Russian operatives; Jared was very nervous about then FBI Director James Comey possibly looking into anything he was involved in, Jared’s private finances or Russia. We know a lot more, but those are just the broad strokes, a primer for Precious Jared’s Magical Treason Tour. Well guess what? Jared Kushner has “turned over” documents to Robert Mueller’s investigation. Wait ‘til you get a load of this:

Jared Kushner has turned over documents in recent weeks to special counsel Robert Mueller as investigators have begun asking in witness interviews about Kushner’s role in the firing of FBI Director James Comey, CNN has learned. Mueller’s investigators have expressed interest in Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and a White House senior adviser, as part of its probe into Russian meddling, including potential obstruction of justice in Comey’s firing, sources familiar with the matter said.

Their questions about Kushner signal that Mueller’s investigators are reaching the President’s inner circle and have extended beyond the 2016 campaign to actions taken at the White House by high-level officials. It is not clear how Kushner’s advice to the President might relate to the overall Russia investigation or potential obstruction of justice. Sources close to the White House say that based on their knowledge, Kushner is not a target of the investigation.

Kushner voluntarily turned over documents he had from the campaign and the transition, and these related to any contacts with Russia, according to a source familiar with the matter. The documents are similar to the ones Kushner gave to congressional investigators. Two separate sources told CNN that investigators have asked other witnesses about Kushner’s role in firing Comey. Investigators have also asked about how a statement was issued in the name of Donald Trump Jr. regarding a Trump Tower meeting and about the circumstances surrounding the departures of other White House aides, according to one source.

A White House official said the Mueller team’s questions about Kushner are not a surprise, and that Kushner would be among a list of people who investigators would be asking about.

[From CNN]

It’s difficult to choose my favorite sentence here. I think my absolute favorite is “Sources close to the White House say that based on their knowledge, Kushner is not a target of the investigation.” Sources close to the White House insist that Donald Trump is not a target of the investigation either but those sources are absolutely mistaken. Oh, my other favorite sentence is just this: “Kushner voluntarily turned over documents he had from the campaign and the transition…” Considering how terrible Kushner is about filling out forms, reading or taking notes, I would imagine that those documents mostly consist of doodles on classified briefing materials.

Oh, and Kushner was the one in the room pushing Trump to fire Comey. That was one of Kushner’s big decisions in the early months: he hated Comey and Jared is such a naive child, he thought firing Comey would mean that the FBI would stop investigating the campaign. Truly. Anyway, the walls are closing in. Fingers crossed that they come for Jared next.

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  1. Nicole says:

    The fact that he still has security clearance pisses me off so much

    • whatWHAT? says:

      RIGHT?! I keep asking WHY does he still have clearance?

    • IlsaLund says:

      As a former government employee, do you know what we had to go through to get and keep our security clearances? And if anyone had lied on their security forms you’d face serious consequences, not just a slap on the wrist.

      • Nicole says:

        I actually do because both my parents are govt employees in DC. I was interviewed for my parent’s clearance and I remember how long it took. Which is why I’m constantly pissed that they still have clearance and access.

      • ELX says:

        I know but there is a rule for regulars like you and me and another for politicals like this guy. He’s dim and inexperienced and apparently doesn’t learn much from his mistakes, which would be fine if he was just social-climbing in Manhattan and running his family business into the ground. AML is going to bite them all—these real estate goons have been laundering for years—especially Trump since he couldn’t get money from a real bank after Bankruptcy No. 4 — and they aren’t going to be able to spread around some cash and make it go away this time.

    • Mama says:

      Exactly. If I had done any one of the things he has done mine would have been ripped away. It is not fair.

  2. Electric Tuba says:

    You can hand over the crayons you wrote those documents with too you little brat.

  3. Beth says:

    You’re fired, kiddo! Time for prison, Jared. I hope they don’t give him toys and juice boxes while serving his life sentence

    • homeslice says:

      I wonder who Ivanka’s second husband will be…

      • Lolo86lf says:

        Who in God’s green Earth will want to marry into that family now?

      • Boodiba says:

        Hopefully one who doesn’t look like her 12 year old son.

      • Ankhel says:

        Some shady russian oligarch who wants attention and her inheritance?

        Whatever that will end up being. Some unpleasantly see through golf clothes and an opened crate of self tanner, maybe?

      • Christin says:

        I see some yacht trips in her future, to hunt a number 2 and make ends meet.

      • Lilly says:

        Ha ha. But a good question. I’m picturing someone wealthy, much older, treats her like a princess and she retreats somewhat into working at being rich arm candy.

      • Betsy says:

        She’s going to be in jail for money laundering. So – whoever she can meet via the USPS, I guess.

    • nicole says:

      And hear I was thinking he was going to bring peace to the middle east, he’s a little wuss.

  4. L says:

    He’s looking for a plea bargain. But history does repeat itself…he might wind up in fed like his father!

    • Megan says:

      Ty Cobb has wisely advised them to cooperate with Mueller so they don’t add to their own charges with further obstruction. I suspect Trump, Don Jr, Eric, Ivanka and Kushner will ultimately be charged with money laundering, They have been doing Russia’s dirty work for years.

  5. Rapunzel says:

    And of course DT’s on Twitter ranting about Hillary to deflect. Thanks a lot Donna B and Liz W. You gave him the perfect material.

    • Giulia says:

      It’s mind boggling to me, as a democrat, that you seem to think Donna Brazile is the problem.

      • Rapunzel says:

        Going after HRC when Trump is literally treasonous is definitely the problem.

      • cr says:

        Brazile’s been a problem for years though. She is no progressive, never has been. So, because she wants book sales she is trying replay and rewrite the primaries? Nope, not buying it.

      • Giulia says:

        @Rapunzel, to me these are 2 separate issues, and addressing one doesn’t mean the other gets brushed under the carpet. Brazile has the receipts, in the form of a written agreement, and goes directly to why Hillary lost. Have you read the Politico piece?

      • cr says:

        Brazile doesn’t really have the receipts:
        Donna Brazile’s op-ed in Politico is the equivalent of taking the smoldering embers of the 2016 primary and throwing some gasoline on them. Just about everything she says in the piece will inflame Sanders’s passionate supporters who were already suspicious of the Democratic establishment and already had reason to believe — based on leaked DNC emails — that the committee wasn’t as neutral in the primary as it was supposed to be.

        But the op-ed doesn’t break too much new provable, factual ground, relying more upon Brazile’s own perception of the situation and hearsay…
        None of this is truly shocking. In fact, Brazile is largely writing about things we already knew about. The joint fundraising agreement between the Clinton campaign and the DNC was already known about and the subject of derision among Sanders’s supporters. But it’s worth noting that Sanders was given a similar opportunity and passed on using it, as Brazile notes.
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/02/ex-dnc-chair-goes-at-the-clintons-alleging-hillarys-campaign-hijacked-dnc-during-primary-with-bernie-sanders/?utm_term=.7f73c4d2c996

      • Megan says:

        The story here is that Obama and Wasserman Schultz left the party in shambles. Hillary bailed it out, but did so in exchange for total control. It’s not illegal, there is nothing for the FBI to investigate, but I am mad as hell that the $5,400 we donated to Hillary may have been funneled to the sh*tshow at the DNC.

        Also, I will never forgive Donna Brazille for the terrible advice she gave Al Gore during his campaign. I seriously don’t know she could still get work after that.

      • lightpurple says:

        The DNC did not have to allow Bernie Sanders in its primary to begin with. He is not a Democrat. But they did allow him to compete in the primaries and he did not get the votes.

      • Kitten says:

        Agree with cr, Rapunzel and LP.

        But here’s the thing that I find so effin disingenuous about Sanders-supporters: they conveniently forget that Sanders was all-too-happy to take advantage of the DNC after he lost his 1988 Congressional seat to a Republican. In fact, he struck a deal with the Vermont Democratic Party leadership: they would allow no authorized candidate to run against Bernie in 1990 and onward and in return, Bernie would block third party building in that state. Google what he did to Delores Sandoval, an AA female who became the unauthorized Dem candidate to challenge Bernie in 1990.

        Also, does Liz not realize that Sanders-supporters HATE her for not endorsing him?

      • Nicole says:

        I’ve been saying for months and months that the DNC is a mess. Its why I don’t think they will make any headway next year. Same reason I had a feeling HRC would lose. Maybe I’m a jaded minority but the rose colored glasses don’t exist in my world.
        However there’s a LOT of problems here…
        1. Sanders is not a Dem and he sure af doesn’t care about more than white men. See the latest BS he spouted. I will never vote for that idiot
        2. They let HRC bail the party out because they are stupid and broke. Which is not how the process should work
        3. They underestimate how mad liberal white men are…this was always coming out
        4. This is self-serving for many but the only thing destroyed is our ability to come back next year.

        So buckle up because this sh*tshow will be happening for a long time

      • magnoliarose says:

        It was wrong for the Clintons to do that. A candidate should not be running the DNC and campaign at the same time. If they didn’t want Bernie running as a Dem, then they should have blocked him. Since they didn’t then, they should have been fair and transparent. The party wanted the voters, so they let him run but then got mad because he ran???
        This is what the Bernie supporters suspected and said and now it seems it was true. It is why the bitterness is still there. When his supporters said, the DNC was unfair well they were, and it wasn’t just sour grapes.
        Elizabeth Warren showed character even though she knew this and tirelessly campaigned for HRC anyway. She said nothing.
        It isn’t Donna’s fault for telling the truth. She has a right to speak and not get blamed and take the hit for everything. If HRC wrote her book and was supported then the same courtesy should be given to Donna B who has been loyal to her party.
        It isn’t her fault for Gore either. He distanced himself from the Clintons. He sighed loudly during the debate. Not to mention the hinky Florida ballots and Katherine Harris.

        Now maybe everyone can move on and energize the left and learn from this mess.

      • Kitten says:

        @ Nicole-What is the latest BS he spouted?

      • Megan says:

        @magnoliarose Once a candidate secures the delegates to win the nomination, they take control of the DNC. That is how it has always worked. Hillary took control well in advance of her nomination because the DNC was on the brink of financial collapse. No one at the DNC wanted Bernie or anyone else to run. They wanted quick and easy primary season.

      • magnoliarose says:

        @Megan
        Yeah I know once she got the nomination, but I didn’t know the details beforehand as much. At the time I didn’t care really because I knew 45 was such a dangerous person that he had to be stopped. I don’t think newer young voters (18-24) understood what was really at stake and were more vulnerable to believing the internet lies.
        I do wish she would have won and supported her once she was in but I just never liked feeling it was inevitable. It could be because of my generation and being used to choices. It might be because I am further to the left than the Democrats and don’t like party loyalty as much as I want an individual candidate. Neither were my first choice, and Tim Kaine was a snoozefest.
        Primaries get voters involved and it is a mistake to let the other party hog the air time. The press has a lot to answer for more than they admit too because they went ridiculously overboard.
        There was so much done wrong but it seems like a lot of defensiveness but no real autopsy and change happening. It all needs to be discussed without emotion because everyone is still in their separate corners. One side can’t win without the other. Donna wrote a book. Hopefully, now it is over.

    • Esmom says:

      I KNOW. My head was spinning last night trying to make sense of the DNC stuff because the trolls on the right just immediately seized on it.

    • LAK says:

      What Donna Brazile revealed should give everyone pause.

      • Rapunzel says:

        LAK- Bulllshit. I ain’t pausing over anything HRC did when Trump is President. Priorities please. Now is not the time. And I ain’t letting Trump distract me.

      • cr says:

        She didn’t reveal anything new. That the DNC is fucked isn’t new. That it favored Clinton isn’t new. And Hillary won the primaries by some 4 million votes. That wasn’t because the DNC was favoring Hillary.

      • LAK says:

        Rapunzel: Trump being a deplorable doesn’t negate the DNC issues. Pretending that didn’t happen is a sure way of making sure it happens again at the next election.

        Cr: She didn’t reveal anything new, on that we can agree. Donna remove the benefit of doubt that it happened at all. That immediately deligitimises any wins Hilary received because from *August 2015, the election was fixed no matter what any other candidates in the race said or did.

        *August 2015 being the date of the agreement and the moment her campaign took over the DNC.

      • Megan says:

        @Rapunzel if the DNC doesn’t get their sh*t together you are going to be stuck with 8 years of Trump and god knows what creep will come after him.

        Yes, Brazille has something new here. She revealed that Obama and Wasserman Schultz ran the DNC into the ground and it hasn’t yet recovered. She revealed that Hillary and the DNC bleed the states dry and caused further losses at the state and local levels. She revealed that the Democratic Party is so weak we are in big trouble.

      • Rapunzel says:

        LAK- nope. Just nope. Nothing about tho delegitimizes anything. Iirc, You aren’t American, so perhaps you don’t understand, but nothing about this agreement had anything to do with votes. Bernie had a totally fair chance to win the primaries and didn’t.

        And sure, Clinton’s dirty laundry doesn’t take away from Trump. Only it does. See his Twitter. Brazille gave him a perfect whataboutism to distract. I won’t condone, accept or forgive this. The focus should be on taking down Trump. Splitting that focus with taking down HRC is just playing into his,tiny hands.

      • cr says:

        LAK: Except the DNC doesn’t control state parties that way:
        “But forget the emails for a second. The main problem with the notion that the DNC rigged the results for Clinton is that it requires one to assume the improbable. The DNC had no role or authority in primary contests, which are run by state governments. Clinton dominated the primaries. The DNC, through state parties, had a bit more influence over caucuses … where Sanders dominated Clinton.”
        https://newrepublic.com/article/135472/no-dnc-didnt-rig-primary-favor-hillary

      • Kitten says:

        How does she “bleed the states dry”? Genuinely asking. I thought that her donation to the DNC would HELP downticket ballots?

      • LAK says:

        Cr: the August 2015 set out terms whereby the DNC couldn’t do anything without checking with the HRC campaign. Everything. Finances, operations, publicity.

        For an unexplained reason, the state govts sent their down-ticket monies to the DNC. Apparently normal working procedure. Except the DNC had an agreement with the HRC campaign to send all such monies received to them and for the campaign to approve all DNC strategies and expenditures.

        Now are you telling me that the DNC isn’t going to use it’s advisory position to pull for a candidate who has them over a barrell?

      • Nic919 says:

        The DNC does not control who votes in the primaries, so this deal is entirely irrelevant. Also not illegal. It would be different if they were a Parliamentary system where the vote for party leader is determined by the membership only and is a closed vote. That’s not the case here.

      • magnoliarose says:

        LAK has a right to speak because nativism is for the Deplorables not for progressives. If that is the case then Americans should not go to the royal threads and comment. Makes no sense.

        This doesn’t give anyone ammunition for anything since nothing that is being said is new except the details.

      • jwoolman says:

        Lak – the state governments couldn’t have sent any money to the DNC. Did you mean state Democratic Parties?

        Other than allowing fundraising for the DNC side by side with state fundraising – I doubt the state Democrats would have much money to give or would be willing to send it anywhere…. They depend on the national Party to send money to THEM in tight races. That’s how doofus Dan Quayle and doofus Mike Pence got started in state politics – the RNC in their case poured money into my district to get them elected to the US Congress (House of Representatives). They didn’t just trust to local fundraising. Our excellent Congressman (who was a Democrat) decided finally to retire early because the national Republicans were doing this, even though he was well-liked by Republicans (the majority here) and Democrats and routinely won with 80%-85% of the vote. He said it wasn’t worth the stress dealing with the well-funded smear campaigns.

        People not in the US may not realize that state and local offices and referendums and judges are being voted on also, depending on local schedules. The states simply allow the parties to piggyback their primaries onto that ballot. So you can ask for a primary ballot for a particular Party, and then you get a ballot with all the other stuff on it PLUS the candidates for your selected Party’s primary. People not interested in voting in a Party primary just get a ballot with “the other stuff”.

        So the DNC just doesn’t have the control over the voting process that some people seem to think. How could they? If there were early closings of the polls, fewer polling places, disenfranchisement of certain voters – the only ones with control over that would be the local incumbents (Republican or Democrat) in certain key positions. The Party not in power locally at the time has nothing to say about it.

        In my state, it was the Republicans who were messing around purging voters from the registered lists, seriously harassing deputy registrars trying to get people registered to vote, and gerrymandering, simply because they were the incumbents and were able to do it. The state legislature finally managed to stop the purges, at least, so now it’s ’til death do us part on the voter rolls. Also it seems safe now to be a deputy registrar, no more harrowing stories about arrests and strip searches. (Anybody can apply to be a deputy registrar, and they can go directly to where potential voters are to get them to fill out registration cards for the Registrar to decide on acceptance, but have to follow certain rules. For example, they have to hand in to the Registrar ALL filled out cards, even incomplete or joke ones.)

        But the gerrymandering stayed (the district lines were redrawn to make it easier to elect Republicans in our case because they were the incumbents). Republican incumbents do have a greater tendency in general to try to block certain voter registration efforts because they assume that poorer people or non-whites are more likely to vote Democrat. But they ran their own voter registration campaigns to get Amish-like religious communities (who usually didn’t vote) to vote, convincing them that the Democrats were agents of Satan basically… I saw them bussed into our polling places and helped to use the machines for the first time back in the 2004 election (hopefully by neutral poll workers).

        Our state Democrats were kind of a joke in this heavily Republican state. I haven’t kept up with it, but I remember elections when friends promoting Democratic candidates for state positions were frustrated because they couldn’t get anything from the sad excuses for Democratic headquarters (holes in the wall, not some huge outfit). No brochures, no signs. My friends just made up their own signs… Really, official Democrats acted as though some Democratic challengers didn’t even exist and it was very difficult to get information about them. Plus often the Democrats didn’t even bother running a candidate even for important positions where it mattered. I remember one election where Dick Luger (the incumbent Republican US Senator) was the only choice on the ballot for Senate. That happens more than you might think – don’t know the current figures, but back in the 1980s at least 1/4 of Congress had run unopposed. They could be the only ones to vote for themselves and claim a landslide. I suspected the state Democratic and Republican Parties just tossed coins to decide who got to win what that year.

    • B n A fn says:

      I don’t see DB as a problem for saying what was going on with the DNC, but couldn’t she wait for next year. I know she’s trying to sell her book, but she knows that the dotard would take this and run like he’s on fire with it, to cover the dirty deeds of his family, cabinet and friends Btw, Bernie is not a democrat, he was using the party, Hillary, IMO should have known better because it always comes out in the wash. Also, Donna was also playing dirty too by giving Hillary a question when we all know that she did not need the help.

      • LAK says:

        It’s curious why Donna is suddenly anti-HRC when she was fired for helping HRC and has been cheerleading for HRC for months.

        I wonder what changed.

      • B n A fn says:

        “I wonder what changed”. She is selling, husteling her book for the holidays. I really give a side eye to her for coming out now instead of later, but money talk and bs walks.

    • ArchieGoodwin says:

      My theory is they are throwing HC under the bus, so they can rebrand for 2020. No matter who runs (Warren?) they will still be dealing with “crooked hillary”, so to save the Democrats, they had to oust her completely.

      JMO, of course.

      • LAK says:

        I don’t know why they are doing it, but i agree with you that they are throwing HRC under the bus.

        So much of her dirty laundry is suddenly being aired and it can only serve to cut her off completely.

      • ArchieGoodwin says:

        I don’t know anyone is surprised that Donna did this. After all, politics is politics is politics, and they are all in for their own benefit.
        Some platforms are better, overall, but that doesn’t mean they are any less cut throat.
        They all have something to lose- money, prestige, power, benefits.

        So yeah, they throw HC away because having her associated in any way with Democrats is bad for business. trump didn’t let it go, he’s targeted HC for life now, and the party (warren) has to step around it.

        #KamalaHarris2020

        ETA: Albatross! That’s the word I was searching for. That’s what HC is to the Democrats now.

      • Rapunzel says:

        Archie- HRC is sadly an albatross to the Dems because they let her become one by not standing up for her enough. They let Trump propagandize against her too much. They should’ve combated his message harder.

      • cr says:

        “This is one way to read Brazile’s revelation: as yet another sign that the Democratic establishment is trying to incorporate Sanders and his movement, by publicly distancing itself from those who allegedly tipped the scales of the primary away from him.

        “Maybe Brazile just wants to maximize sales of her upcoming book, and recognized that an inside story of DNC treachery was the juiciest angle she had,” Eric Levitz writes in New York magazine. “But this certainly reads like the kind of piece a Democratic operative would write if she were interested in having as warm a relationship with the Sanders 2020 campaign as she did with the Clinton 2016 one.””
        https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/2/16599036/donna-brazile-hillary-clinton-sanders

      • ArchieGoodwin says:

        I agree Rapunzel 🙁

        For all Hillary’s years of service, this is what they do to her. She is probably not shocked, but I am.

      • Kitten says:

        I would LOVE for Kamala and Bernie to be opponents in 2020 primary just so I can vote for Kamala. Sorrynotsorry. And it has less to do with Bernie himself than it does to do with his tired-ass white working class platform and the fact that by 2020 he will still be an old white dude.

        ETA: @ cr-yup this is exactly what I was telling my Bernie Bro boyfriend last night. Brazile wants to sell her book but more importantly, she wants to reinvent herself as a progressive while hitching her wagon to the Bernie Train now that HRC is politically finished and is no longer of any use to her. She’s a f*cking vulture of the worst kind and the saddest part is that Sanders-supporters have already forgotten all the terrible sh*t she said about him.

      • Megan says:

        @Rapunzel Hillary’s campaign was controlling the DNC. They approved the hiring of the comms director, they approved every message, they approved every freaking press release. Her sh*tty campaign, and, by extension the DNC’s sh*tty campaign, is to blame.

      • Nicole says:

        If the Dems think Bernie is going to win in 2020 they are delusional. He didn’t win the minority vote (or women) which is the block of the party. She won in cities with large diverse areas. Sanders didn’t. THAT’S LITERALLY THE PROFILE OF THE BACKBONE OF THE PARTY.

        I’ve said the DNC is going to implode the longer they let sanders speak for him. But they won’t realize it until they lose. again.

      • DiamondGirl says:

        They do need to rebrand and get fresh younger dynamic people in there. Hillary will be too old in 2020 (I don’t think these candidates in their 70s are what we need).

        We need leaders from the post-baby boomer generation now.

      • Megan says:

        @Nicole Totally agree that Bernie is unelectable nationally. If more men had run in the primary, Bernie would have been inconsequential. Due to a lack of competition, men rallied behind their only option.

      • magnoliarose says:

        They are rebranding, and it is what they need to do.

        I am a Kamala supporter. I already follow her and keep up with what she does. It is time for fresh people with fresh ideas. We don’t need also-rans. Kamala brings everyone together, and she has the intelligence and people skills to make an excellent candidate. Kamala and Warren. All men go home. They ran everything into the ground and proved they are incapable so they need to watch what women can do when we get the chance. Seriously all the heroes in DC are women even in the GOP, and they can work together too.

        We should run everything. I am tired of men folk screwing everything up.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Ah, the s**ty campaign that won the primaries in a landslide AND the popular vote. The s**ty campaign that drew deep and broad support from the base of the very large Democratic party, including black and Hispanic voters, which means the working class. The dirty laundry that has never, ever, ever been discovered. The s***y campaign that ran a near-perfect convention, put forward a candidate who was magisterial in all 3 debates despite stalkers and shills, and still captured the popular vote by 3 million, and only lost by breathtakingly small margins in 3 targeted districts in swing states thanks to voter suppression, gerrymandering, Russian propaganda, Facebook/Twitter/YouTube/FoxNews, NRA mailing lists and evangelical churches, plus the last-minute Comey letter and Bernie Sander’s inability to let go until the last minute.

        Some s***ty campaign.

        Donald Trump ran the s***ty campaign – he’s a s***ty person surrounded by s***ty people and they had to cheat to win. He’s obsessed with Clinton because he knows she ran a great campaign and really won. And he hates women, especially smart women.

      • Megan says:

        @magnoliarose Umm, Betsy DeVos, Nikki Haley, Hope Hicks, Kellyanne Conjob …

      • Kitten says:

        @ Megan- None of the women you mentioned (with the exception of Nikki Haley) are career politicians. So yeah, their gender is really secondary to their appalling lack of political experience. They are also all Republicans, so not women that we’d be nominating obvs.

        I believe what Magnoliarose was referring to with her statement was the need to have a politically-experienced , capable candidate who is anything OTHER than an old white man in charge of our country.
        Is that not something you can get behind?

        @WATP- Preach it, queen. I love when you get fiery 😉

      • littlemissnaughty says:

        @ WATP: I love you. I don’t understand why people insist on this narrative. Sometimes you lose. Sometimes you do the right thing and you still lose. I HATE this “She wasn’t perfect but …” as well. WHO is perfect in politics? Obama certainly was not perfect in the beginning if you speak to the LGBTQ community. No person is perfect and no campaign is either. That doesn’t make them or it sh*tty.

        She did EVERYTHING right as much as anyone could. She survived the 90s for god’s sake. She served her country for decades. She was sometimes late on an issue and yeah, she made some money along the way. But as a politician? As a candidate? She was great compared to many many others.

        It’s so frustrating to have to view her through the lens of the insanity that was the election. That we will forever have to crawl through these bullsh*t narratives when talking about her. Her timing was sh*tty. Her opponent was sh*tty. Her campaign was not.

      • magnoliarose says:

        @Kitten

        Yeah, I am tired of old white men. Bernie included. He doesn’t have the personality or broad view to be a president. So time to sit down and support. That is it.
        It has been the two GOP women that kept the repeal from happening, and I believe moderates and liberals can work together.

        When I sit back and think of everything we have been through this year, it has been the fault of men. I believe even the DNC mess was the fault of men. The election crap was men. Hollywood’s mess is about men abusing women and children.

        All of the patriarchial crap we have to slog through every single day has gotten worse, and I am pissed off about it. Now is the time to push forward and clean up like we always do. I want all women represented of every race, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, and age. I want an end to rape culture and shaming.

        What I think has been unfair in this whole thing is that HRC has been the brunt of so much abuse from the right. Down the road, there should be a place for her, but I believe only women will understand the necessity. She exposed issues that have been ignored for a long time. I may sound like I don’t like her sometimes but it isn’t the case. I just think we have to move forward with Kamala.

        I need to stop reliving 2016 and let it go too. My anger should be productive. I even snipe at my husband and fall into the rabbit hole with him about the election. I am done.

        If I snarked too hard at anyone, I apologize.

      • Erica_V says:

        Magnolia – I feel you. I love my Dad and my fiance but all other men are basically cancelled for me rn.

      • cr says:

        As a friend of mine pointed out on FB, Brazile’s known about this how long and doesn’t give specifics until now? If she was going to let this be known before an election, shouldn’t it have been before the DNC election in February, where it might have made a positive difference, instead of now, where it might not?

      • M.A.F. says:

        NOOOOO. I love Kamala Harris but it’s too soon for her to run for President. I want her to stay as Senator for at least two terms especially since Dianne Feinstein is about to retire and we need another strong woman to take her place. That was my issue with Obama, just not enough time in office as Senator before he ran for President.

      • jwoolman says:

        But it’s also possible that Brazile is saying all this just to try to redeem herself. The fact that she tried to drag Hillary into cheating (or appearing to cheat) with advance questions for the primary debate with Sanders is simply reprehensible. I wonder if that had a bigger impact on how others felt about Brazile than seems to be acknowledged, and she is trying to deflect and reinvent herself. It might not actually be a widespread attempt to dump Hillary, who actually managed to win the popular vote by 3 million votes despite all the interference and insanity and media focus on the bright and shiny antics of clownish Trump rather than anything Hillary the Grownup was saying or doing.

        I’ve never before seen such lopsided coverage of a Presidential election. The media didn’t begin to wake up to how they were being played until Trump called a press conference for his big birther announcement (basically spending 30 seconds saying “Never mind.”) and turned it into a big promo for the opening of his new hotel. The media even refused to air footage they collected while being given the grand tour of the hotel, although they took the opportunity to discover the “not made in the USA” nature of many items in the rooms. After that, we saw a big change in how Trump was covered, although that didn’t translate into fairer coverage of Hillary.

        Hillary didn’t win the electoral votes needed, but we have to consider the unfairness of an electoral vote allocation (based on 1910 populations) that favors low-population states over high-population states by as much as a factor of two or three when calculating electoral votes per person. It definitely is not a one person-one vote system and amplified Trump’s support in non-urban areas. Still Trump got the electoral votes by only about 80,000 votes spread out over a few states, but recounts were blocked or never tried or impossible to do because of machines with no paper backup. Hillary also did well in various demographics of importance.

        Under normal circumstances, people would say Hillary ran a decent campaign and came extremely close to winning. Maybe the toxicity of Trump’s endless yammering has contaminated people’s brains.

    • Lilly says:

      @cr, Rapunzel, Kitten et al THANK YOU. If I had to revive a big, debt-infested, mess, yes I want control. Like magnoliarose said, I’m tired of old white dudes trying to tell me what to do or manipulate me. Bernie was the dog whistle to sexists who could pretend that they’re liberal and for the wimmen. No thanks, a douche bro is a douche bro no matter how you try to paint yourself. And I guess this is my little rant. Ha ha. But, Bernie, to me, is a white guy who thinks white guys should be in charge, but tries to say the right things to get that control.

  6. mia girl says:

    All I see when I look at Kushner is the evil doll from that movie The Boy.
    The resemblance is uncanny.

    • M&M says:

      Oh my god! Yes!!
      So creepy!

    • 5thHouse says:

      Yes, Yes! OMG! That’s it.

    • Juls says:

      I’ve never seen that movie so I just googled and, holy crap on a cracker. That was SPOT. ON. Creepy!

      • mia girl says:

        I stumbled across it a few months back while flipping channels and “holy crap on a cracker” was my reaction too when I realized the doll was Kushner’s doppelgänger!

        Ended up watching the whole thing with amusement imagining the doll was him and the women in the movie taking care of it was Ivanka! Ha!

    • Trashaddict says:

      Eeewwwwww. Now it all makes sense. Bwahahahahahaha!

  7. Maya says:

    Jared and Ivanka will be Trump’s and Republicans downfall and it couldn’t have happened to a better person.

    • B n A fn says:

      I can’t wait for the 45 crime family to all go down. They have been living of poor people all their lives like getting work done for their businesses and not paying the workers when the work was done. They have been using China worked for cheap wages and selling their wears here instead of using Americans they are a disgrace to this country.

      I’m so happy people are seeing them for who they really are, a bunch of lowlife criminals. 58% of the people are happy with Mueller doing a great job and not listening to the dotard telling them that this is fake news, and he has nothing to do with Russia.

  8. Esmom says:

    I also was wondering how Kushner could think firing Comey would be the end of any investigations. Not the brightest bulb in the box, is he? And yeah, I’m sure he’s been completely above board with all the documents he turned over. i wonder if he’s been fully honest about anything, ever. He seems like his default mode is to just lie if the truth is hard.

    • Indiana Joanna says:

      Yes, when Comey was fired I really thought that this was the beginning of the end for drump. Jared just doesn’t have a clue about anything.

      all the drumps and adjacent drumps seem to have a tremendous and unreal sense of entitlement that laws and rules are for other people, not for them. That they deserve money because they are doing Satan’s work.

      Don Jr’s Halloween tweet also showed how none of them are bright but they are very bitter that people think them stupid degenerates.

      • Esmom says:

        Yeah, Don Jr’s tweet really took me aback. I knew he was a tool but seeing the cute photo of the little girl juxtaposed with such a nasty message really hit home just how utterly awful he is. It’s just amazing to me how the idea of decorum just isn’t in their universe.

      • Indiana Joanna says:

        Esmom, thanks for pointing that out. I also was taken aback how he used a photo of a sweet child to make such an embittered (with a whiff of self pity), self serving remark about the Russa investigation and everything else they’ve brought on themselves. But their self delusion is very, very deep. The drumps are hideous.

      • happy girl says:

        Yeah, Jr. is a piece of sh*t (for a billion reasons), but that Halloween photo was nuts. Was he implying that other children are lazy and his are warriors? As if there is a child in the world that doesn’t want to dress-up, have fun and haul home a ton of candy. Dumbass.

    • happy girl says:

      The minute I heard that Kushner handed over documents to the investigation, my immediate thought was no way could they be the originals of everything. That shady little bitch has had months to reproduce a lot of it. That would catch up with him, too so….win-win 🙂

  9. AbbyRose says:

    Crooked Jared is as dishonest and greedy as Manafort, but about 1/10th as smart. And Donald Jr. is even dumber.

    • B n A fn says:

      Crooked jared is as dishonest as his convicted criminal father and soon to be convicted father-in-law, he learned from the best. They are a bunch of lying, racist, criminals. I will be singing “happy days are here again”, hopefully soon.

      • magnoliarose says:

        Crooked Jared is a dumb fool who thinks he is smart and can pull something over on Mueller. His stupid is bone deep. He has most likely bankrupted his family, but they deserve it.

  10. grabbyhands says:

    Admittedly, I have been extremely frustrated with the pace of this investigation and have withheld getting too excited about the outcome, but I am holding out hope that part of the reason it took so long to get to this point is because Robert Mueller was smart enough to understand all the ways 45 and his poisonous little minions would try to derail every step of the investigation and has created layer upon layer of evidence and back up to close all the loopholes they (and the GOP) would use to slime away from being prosecuted in any way.

    I’m still pretty certain that some big fish are going to slip through the net, I hope the damage is bad enough that the ones still swimming free will have had their capital broken enough that they never recover to the degree they were operating at before.

    • Lizzie says:

      i was listening to preet bharara’s podcast this week where they discuss this topic and he and his guest both remarked on how FAST this is all happening….which seems really remarkable b/c it feels like AN ETERNITY!

      i recommend the pod. there is a lot of legalese and it is a tad dry but his voice is *very* pleasant and the opinions are interesting.

      • lucy2 says:

        I finally got around to listening to it, and it’s very good.
        We’re all impatient for this nightmare to be over, but we really should want the prosecutor to take their time and do it right.

  11. lightpurple says:

    Orange Voldy just called Senator Warren “Pocahontas” on twitter. I reported him for the racist remark and I encourage others to do so.

  12. Nikki says:

    If charged, he’ll be pardoned before it even gets to trial.

    Bill Clinton pardon Marc Rich while he was on the lam, and it barely caused a ripple. I know this is slightly different, but Trump and Pence will protect him.

    • cr says:

      He can be pardoned for federal crimes, not state ones. He is not out of the woods.

    • Honeybee Blues says:

      Yes, but anyone who accepts a pardon loses their right to the Fifth Amendment. Anyone 45 pardons is compelled to answer all questions put forth. 45 will most certainly be made aware of this by counsel.

      • LaBlah says:

        But will it get through his thick head. I kind of look forward to Trump refusing to listen to sense and pardoning all of them and then blaming Hilary, Obama & fake news when they all start spilling on him.

  13. Eric says:

    🎼. It can only be Jaaaared!

    Boy this is getting great! It’s a Flynn Friday and Jared is going down. The isolation game has begun; keep picking off WH/campaign perps until it’s just Emperor Zero!

    Merry F$%#king Christmas!

    • Esmom says:

      Thanks for the ear worm, Eric. Lol. Your glee is enjoyable to behold.

    • Juls says:

      Eric I just want to say how much I appreciate the optimism you have displayed throughout this waking nightmare. I, and others here, have expressed dismay and have felt completely jaded at times, but you have always brought the cheer and hope. Thank you, CB friend.

      • Eric says:

        Esmom and Juls
        Cheers!

        We are going to get through this. Those tiny-mouthed trumps are going to regret stealing the WH.

        Oh what a beautiful morning
        Oh what a beautiful day
        I’ve got a beautiful feeling
        EZ-D’s going away

      • Esmom says:

        Haha, stop! I have a date with my cleaning supplies and my cat is going to be treated to some new songs today. She’ll be in the basement covering her little ears by noon, I have a feeling.

      • Juls says:

        Eric: “We are going to get through this.” WE. This simple phrase is so powerful and I needed to hear it. And I will be singing your EZ-D song all day! Cheers!

      • Kitten says:

        Yes I second this. Eric keeps me from falling into a pit of deep despair.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      It’s just like Trump said: We can say Merry F$%#king Christmas! again.

      ; )

    • magnoliarose says:

      Eric the correct term is Happy Holidays. I don’t celebrate Christmas, and I want to sit at the cool kid’s table. Just kidding! LOL, I don’t celebrate Christmas, but I swear if these miscreants go down I may just get a huge tree and sing carols and give my grandparents cardiac arrest for good measure.

      Hanukkah is the 12th -20th maybe Crooked Jared will have to sing the Dreidel Dreidel Dreidel song under house arrest.

  14. OSTONE says:

    Have fun in prison Tom Riddle!

  15. Who ARE these people? says:

    Remember Kushner’s attempt to set up a secret back channel to the Kremlin IIRC.

    And his desperate search for funds for his Manhattan building project.

    He’s the one who listens to his lawyers so we’ll have to wait and see.

    As for the Donna Brazile info it’s not what she tries to make it seem on the surface. No rules broken and as someone above ppinter out, Sanders had the same agreement but didn’t use it.. More smearing of an effective fundraiser who unlike Sanders helped down ballot Democrats. But the knives are always out, aren’t they.

    Does anyone know more about Sanders chair Tad Devine and Ukraine work re: Manafort? Keep seeing hints.

  16. IlsaLund says:

    This Jared news helps explain why several Conservative Republicans are demanding Mueller recuse himself over the made up uranium deal. They are adding their best to protect Trump and derail Mueller’s investigation.

    Donna Brazile needs to rebrand herself and sell books. She’s a major part of the problem with the DNC. I pray state organizations go it alone for the mid terms cause if they hitch their ride to the DNC, they will not win any elections, Left leaning independents and many young people have washed their hands of the DNC and see it as the major barrier to success. A wholesale cleaning of house is needed.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/926329971588714496

      Useful thread on how the Dem. system actually works.

      Oh gosh, is it true that Brazile thought Joe Lieberman was a good VP candidate?

      And are people still blaming Gore for *sighing?* when the voting system was already breaking down AND the Bushies stole that election via Florida/Supreme Court?

      No wonder Republicans win, they close ranks (and cheat, but that’s a separate issue).

      • Megan says:

        If Al Gore had won his home state of Tennessee, he would not have needed Florida to win. It wasn’t the sighing that cost him the election, it was the crappy campaign that didn’t bother to secure his home state.

      • Juls says:

        Megan I agree with you on the principle that any politician running for prez should secure their home state and it’s shameful if they don’t. But, as a lifelong Tennessean, I can assure you that TN is….complicated. Yes, Al Gore’s father was beloved here in his time. Yes, we have had Democrat governors here in recent memory (re:Phil Bredesen). And our urban areas tend to be about 60/40 Republican/Democrat. But our Democrats here tend to be basically moderate Republicans that would be perceived as full-on Republicans in other parts of the country. Gore was a Democrat through and through in the eyes of Tennesseans and, unfortunately, TN is about as “red” as a state can get. Most elections tend to fall in the 70% + range for Republicans, so even Gore knew it was a lost cause trying to win his home state.

      • Megan says:

        Al Gore was a senator from Tennessee when Clinton tapped him for VP. He and Clinton carried the state in 1992 and 1996.

    • I'mScaredAsHell says:

      Thank goodness for Joy Reid. She always breaks things down and puts it all in perspective.

      But the problem isn’t only with the DNC. The Democratic leadership (Pelosi, Schumer, Clyborne, Hoyer, Waters, etc) are seen as out of touch and hurting the party with voters, especially young voters. Not sure if it’s ego or what, but their refusal to allow younger leaders to step forward is turning people off bigly.

      • Who ARE These People? says:

        Shumer’s been fine, Pelosi does get things done, I don’t know about the rest, but I agree there are fine younger people trying to break through. Warren can be so effective as a populist in the Senate, I wish she would draw the line at attacking Clinton. Doesn’t help anything. Just makes her look petty and the party apparatus won’t be thanking her.

    • IlsaLund says:

      I’ve spoken to many Democrats that say the rush to court the white working class Trump voters has alienated them. Dems can’t neglect the backbone of their base (minority and women) and expect to win local, state and national elections. Personally, as a left leaning Independent, I’m looking to support local third party candidates that share my views. I can’t in good conscious continue to support Democrats simply because they may be “the lesser of two evils.” Change has to start at the local and state level and the Dems have done a piss poor job of getting forward thinking, progressive candidates in the mix.

      • jwoolman says:

        It’s best to vote according to the issues rather than Party affiliation. How is this person likely to vote? Will those votes be more in line with what I want than not? Does the person actually listen when constituents make arguments for or against such votes?

        The DNC and RNC have always been mainly two big fundraising organizations. There used to be a much broader spectrum in the Republican Party than we see today. The Democrats seem more united than they were in my youth, though. I still find identifying Democrats as “on the left” a bit jarring, since most of them are pretty much in the center. Republicans seem to have undergone a serious shift away from the center, however. The refusal to work together with Democrats is a serious change from earlier times. Bipartisanship used to be a well-practiced art form in Congress and people good at it were valued.

  17. why? says:

    It wasn’t just Jared who was pushing the Dotard to fire Comey, it was Ivanka, Stephen Miller, and Jared.

  18. Lorelai says:

    What a super-awkward Thanksgiving these people are going to have 🙂

    If they’re not in prison by then.

  19. Enough Already says:

    Christmas miracle?

    • Jaded says:

      T’was the night before Christmas when all through the house,
      Not a creature was stirring, not even a louse.
      No stockings were hung by the chimney with care,
      Would Santa show up? No he wouldn’t dare.

      Jared and Ivanka were cowering in bed,
      Heads full of lies and hearts full of dread.
      When out on their lawn there arose such a clatter
      They sprang from their bed to see what was the matter.

      Away to the window they flew like a flash
      Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.
      When what to their wondering eyes should appear
      But a bunch of police cars and all became clear.

      Then in a twinkling, cops kicked the door in
      And handcuffed them both – “it’s off to the bin!”
      So away they went to be incarcerated,
      While twitter exploded with joy unabated.

      And Mueller said as they drove out of sight…
      “Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good-night!”

  20. White rabbit says:

    I think people are getting their hopes up.
    In want nothing more than for him to be impeached and gone but this could easily drag out for a few years with nothing to show for

  21. Lila says:

    For the first time in my life , I would love to be on the grand jury when Mueller presents all the evidence of his investigation.It is going to reach a point where it will be every man for himself.

  22. Tee Hee says:

    Just wondering why you aren’t talking about Donna Brazile publicly accusing Hillary of hijacking the DNC? 🙂

    • Olenna says:

      See Comment 5. There’s quite a few current political and celebrity hot topics, and I think CB is doing a good job highlighting some of them here. I just ran across a disturbing WaPo article concerning the pregnant teenage immigrant and the issue of separation of church and state. Alas, CB just can’t cover them all. The article is titled “Trump administration suggests possibility of disciplinary action against ACLU lawyers in abortion case”.

    • B n A fn says:

      @tee hee , Because it’s not worth talking about. Donna is selling a book and trying to make some money. Btw, some of us did talk about her throwing Hillary under the bus. Most of us would like to keep the focus on the dotard who lied, cheated, insulted and sold his soul for the presidency. He sold our country to the highest bidder and to the Russians. I’m more interested in living in a free country than under a dictatorship. Have you noticed that 45 cannot say a bad word about Val and Russia, 👀.

      • jwoolman says:

        I wonder how much we can trust Brazile’s perceptions and memories of events. She talks rather wildly about everything and everybody, setting off warning signals for me. Did Obama really have the time to run the DNC into the ground, anyway?!? I know that as nominee and President, he was considered the head of the Party. But she might be exaggerating a tad.

        Also she doesn’t seem to deny she sent those e-mails to Podesta with the verbatim questions for the primary debate. They were so odd (announcing the unethical act in the heading, visible to multiple people in the office, quoting rather than hiding it in a list of of possibilities, not just calling Podesta up) that I argued that the Russians may have learned how to alter e-mails undetected. I wondered if she was being unfairly slammed for it, although she never came out with a convincing denial. But if she really did do it, she sounds either deranged or terminally stupid or both. And CNN was absolutely right to dump her. It was a very serious breach of professional ethics. And so unnecessary. If she knows Hillary well enough to be miffed that she didn’t get a timely call after the election, how could she not know how well prepared Hillary always is? Hillary didn’t need to cheat, and even if she never saw the messages (which is likely), Brazile put Hillary in a position of being accused of cheating. That shows terrible judgment.

        That incident is wrong in so many ways that I wonder if Brazile has some serious problems that color her interpretation and remembrance of events. Plus her claim that she seriously considered replacing Hillary with Joe Biden because Hillary was feeling faint at the memorial – she sounds Fox Newsified. Really, President Bush upchucked on a foreign official at a state dinner and there was no talk of replacing him. (I think he had the flu.) Hillary had walking pneumonia, was diagnosed on Friday and put on an antibiotic. And being Hillary, instead of resting she went to the memorial on Sunday and didn’t quite make it to the car. She was up and about soon after. I want to hear from Joe Biden on that one.

        Also it’s wrong to say the primaries are rigged. That’s the word to use if the vote is hacked or altered, which Brazile says did not happen. I doubt that the DNC had the power to manipulate the primaries. Most people who vote in them are not active Democrats but just vote mostly for them and so want to have some say in the nomination. Nonsense about manipulating times of tv debates in the days of YouTube and recording devices is unrealistic. It doesn’t matter any more. The DNC is not our source of information on the candidates.

      • magnoliarose says:

        Joy Reid wrote an excellent balanced article for the Daily Beast.

        https://www.thedailybeast.com/donna-braziles-bombshell-isnt-that-hillary-clinton-rigged-the-race-but-that-the-democratic-party-blew-it

        She confirmed what my father kept saying at the time. He blamed DWS and thought she was inept. There were many complaints on the local and state levels, and she forced this situation that has caused a break on the left. A leader is supposed to lead their party and not leave it up to the Clintons or anyone else to bail them out. She practically set it up to cause bad feelings between factions.

        DWS should have known ahead of time what HRC’s negatives were as far as perception and worked to make sure she had her back and minimized them. Obama was in DC fending off the crazies, and it was a weakness, but again the head of the DNC was supposed to find ways to minimize that. It is outrageous when everything is absorbed, and I had time to think about it.

        My father has never liked her. I wasn’t a fan, and not many people I know approved of her beyond lukewarm, but he was right. My mother wasn’t as critical, but they haven’t been quick to fundraise or donate as they used to either.

        I said I was done arguing. I meant at the time out of frustration, and I stand by the desire to want solutions that work and not mining over the same sore spot over and over.
        My beef with DB is her timing. A week later would have been better but she stepped on the Mueller story, and that is hinky AF. Right before a crucial election?

    • jwoolman says:

      Because Hillary didn’t quite hijack anything. She took the control she would automatically have as a successful nominee a bit early, in return for sharing her overflowing coffers from successful fundraising. Bernie could have done the same thing but chose not to do so, then they both would have been involved. The DNC apparently had only crumbs in their coffers. So this worked out well for them.

      Bernie was probably not interested in sharing his donations because he really isn’t a Democrat and so doesn’t have a strong stake in helping Democrats run for lower offices. He only joined the Party temporarily to run in the primary. He caucused with the Democrats in Congress since he was a Party of One but had a lot of overlap with them. He was upfront about it being a temporary arrangement just for the 2016 elections. That’s also why some of his supporters could make the rather astonishing leap from Hillary to Trump. They didn’t feel an attachment to the Democrats, either.

      Nothing about this financial arrangement had any effect on the primaries. Those are run by the states on their own schedule and in their own way and seem much less amenable to tricks than the general election, although sometimes people vote in the other Party’s primary to try some sabotage…

      Hillary didn’t manipulate the primary vote, she won fairly. Bernie did unexpectedly well, but his original intention was to do just well enough to have serious input into the platform – which he did. At some point, he began to think he really could be President, but even as a Bernie fan I’m happy he didn’t win the primary. Hillary was a much better all-round candidate and I had no doubts about her competence in the White House. I don’t think Bernie has the same skill set, although he is valuable in the Senate. And the Republicans would have gone after him with a vengeance, he would have ended up more smeared than Hillary.

  23. hmmm says:

    What documents did Jared Kushner NOT turn over?

  24. CamPel says:

    I feel like Jared Kushner, Donald Trump Jr, Mike Flynn ( and maybe others) aren’t that worried about the FBI indicting them because they all know Trump will just pardon them anyway. I’m guessing long ago all of them including Trump himself agreed that if any of this came to light Trump could pardon all of them and they’d never do actual prison time. I also think if it goes all the way to Trump and he gets impeached or resigns as a result of him colluding with the Russians, Mike Pence will pardon him as soon as he takes office.

  25. Ash says:

    I fear the exact same. I’m so excited about the progress this week, don’t get me wrong. But like white rabbit, how long could this drag out? Do you think it’s wishful thinking for an impeachment? Or there could be no run for that second term. I’m just so tired of it all and wish it would go away now!