I hoped that this weekend would be full of fresh tea about Prince William, the Duchess of Cambridge and the Marchioness of Cholmondeley. It didn’t really happen – Prince William must have done a lot of work behind the scenes to get British media outlets to shut down the speculation. To recap, for a few weeks there was some low-key speculation that Kate and the Marchioness (Rose Hanbury) were beefing about something and no one really knew what. When the Sun published a piece last weekend about Kate and Rose being “rural rivals,” the speculation grew. So much so that William ran to Richard Kay at the Daily Mail to shut it down and throw the Sussexes under the bus. A day later, a well-connected British food writer tweeted-and-deleted a confirmation that William and Rose had an affair.
Since then, there hasn’t been much. Tom Sykes at the Daily Beast wrote this odd piece about how Kate has managed to stay unknownable and mysterious and how this whole scandal is her first-ever juicy, shady storyline, because I guess some people will really buy that. Then last night, journalist/commentator Nicole Cliffe did a Twitter thread of speculation/editorializing on what she believes is really going down. Click below to read the full thread:
Would it be helpful for me to explain the current Royal scandal w a great deal of personal editorializing?
— Nicole Cliffe (@Nicole_Cliffe) March 30, 2019
I’ll summarize: Cliffe believes that Rose and William did have an affair and that Rose did gossip about it to other Turnip Toffs, because even though discretion is absolutely the rule with these people, sometimes rules are broken (it would explain the low-key feeling that the story had been widely rumored in aristo circles for a while too). Cliffe believes that Kate really was trying to phase out Rose because Kate learned of the affair. Cliffe then speculates that the affair was perhaps at the heart of the whole Sussex-Cambridge beef to begin with, that Harry and Meghan knew of William’s affair and that Harry and William fell out because of the affair, etc. It’s not a perfect theory, as I don’t believe Harry would really feel that strongly about William’s infidelities, but I definitely think that Cliffe makes some good points. And hey, at this point, she’s one of the few journalists actually voicing these theories.
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nah, I don’t buy it
I don’t either, but I’m sure she had fun guessing.
I don’t know if I buy this as the reason for Harry and William’s tension but I am starting to believe more and more that there’s something to the affair story.
I can buy it if Harry was annoyed that William was telling him not to marry Meghan while at the same time having an affair with someone.It would be like that annoying person that’s always giving you unwanted advice while at the same time being in a dysfunctional relationship. I can also see it causing tension if William is constantly throwing him under bus knowing he’s got his own skeletons in the closet.
I think Kay dragged Harry and Meghan into the story as click bait.
BlueSky: that’s actually what Cliffe suggested–Harry was already resentful of William because W kept telling him he was going too fast w/Meghan, and then W had to go & have an affair, something which made their own childhoods so miserable even before the death of their mother. That threw him over the edge.
Given the press space spent trying to deny, deflect and generally make it go away is telling that where there is smoke there is a fire they are trying to put out. William is trying to hide something and Rose is involved in it in someway so obviously people are going to think they had an affair. I think William had an affair am just not sure it was with Rose (even thou she is his type). I think she gossiped to the wrong people.
Yep and a couple of British reporters already made hints. Fleet Street Fox said that “inacccurate usually means there’s a lot more to the story” when tweeting the Mirror’s denial of the feud rumors (MA posted that tweet here a few days back). Then there’s Sophia Money-Coutts, who wrote a *really* vague story on the turnip toffs. Hadley Freeman asked what exactly was being alluded to and Sophia told her she could not say anything more on it.
I do think that line about legal action in Richard Kay’s story might have also served as Will’s/KP’s warning shot to the press.
I think it’s rather sexist to say the only thing these two women could be feuding about is a penis. Just sayin’
Yet women do feud over penis.🤷🏾♀️
I think it’s being made up because the real drama is so boring. It probably is something to do with their vanity projects, as was originally speculated. They’re both patrons of East Anglia’s Children’s Hospices for example. People would much rather read about Rose and Kate fighting about an affair. Hence why the press kept it all vague in the first place.
This. The truth is just too boring.
But what vanity projects has Kate ever done? That idea actually makes the least sense to me because Kate has no history of charitable projects, vanity or otherwise. She just goes back to “learn” something new from her charities every few years. I don’t see how she’d be competition for the marchioness for vanity projects.
She didn’t seem to care when they asked Ed Sheeran to basically do her job for her so why would she care if a neighbour worked on EACH. Kate has never been possessive about her patronages because she barely works on them. The only thing she’s been possessive about for years has been girls going after William.
I tend to agree this is a petty feud between two rich and privileged women. EACH is one of Kate’s best known patronage’s and if someone were trying to elbow her out, Kate would not like it.
Lawsuits don’t get threatened over rich women fighting.
@Ainsley, I agree that’s a possibility but it wouldn’t explain the threats of legal action. There has got to be more to it than that.
@megan- I looked into it more and it’s definitely about EACH. Rose held that reception back in 2016, but became patron just last summer. Kate was on maternity leave when Rose and Rose did a very Royal style visit to announce it.
@Royalwatcher- Kate sees Rose as a rival because she is “taking over” EACH. Doing visits that Kate would normally do. No one ever said that Rose saw Kate as a threat.
@Nic919- Sheeran isn’t remotely Royal/Aristocratic. Lots of charities have multiple patrons. Rose is high enough up the social ladder that she attends state dinners. So, it’s a little different. Will has also always been quick to sue. The Royals lost their right to free legal representation because of him. I doubt he would have gone to Jecca’s on Charlotte’s first Easter if he was afraid of affair rumors.
@Ainsley7 I agree that it def could be EACH related and the timing would fit with Rose taking a high profile new role as patron last summer.
Although it is more exciting to think of it as a big affair scandal it’s little slights like this that really go nuclear in this crowd. Rather than “Cambridges are planting smear stories on Sussexes” I would bet a big chunk is “Harry’s jilted ex friends smear Meghan”. The Tom Inskip stuff? Comes complete with an overheard quote from him describing walking away from the buses that were taking favored guests to the exclusive night reception as a walk of shame. The Tatller anecdotes about how Meghan acted when she went out with a shooting party– sounds like from women in the group that were there.
As reported at the time many adjacent royals such as Kent cousins were also very pissed to not even be invited to the wedding ceremony itself and salty over the A list celebs who made the cut. I’m sure that bad blood lingered.
All to say that the Cambridge vs Sussex narrative is total oversimplification.
Sorry, Ainsley, I don’t buy that. If Kate went to EACH and said SHE wanted to do the work or even just hinted that she didn’t want Rose involved with EACH, don’t you think they would do what Kate wants? I don’t see any way that they would offend a royal like that, if Kate said something or made her wishes known.
@Royalwatcher. Who knows maybe Rose is a massive financial supporter of EACH and Kate isn’t. After all the big fancy EACH gala was held at Rose’s mansion– not Kate’s.
@Ainsley, in theory it makes sense, but Kate never did much for EACH in the first place. IIRC she didn’t even attend their annual gala on a regular basis. My best guess, if it is patronage-related, is that she’s upset because it makes her look bad if Rose steps up and works hard for EACH, exposing Kate’s laziness even more. But again, that’s not a story that would warrant legal action. The whole thing is confusing.
Both can be true. We’ve known for years that Will cheated regularly on Kate during the dating years (he cheated WITH her, later ON her), and his circle has always supported the idea that infidelities are to be expected. Gross, I know. Charles famously said he wanted his own side-piece because he wasn’t going to break with that particular “royal tradition” of heirs having lovers.
Then we’ve also seen that Kate seemed a lot happier/relaxed these past few months after having Louis. I’m not sure how that fits into this, and this is speculation on my part, but she might have gotten a lot more freedom to travel to Buckleburry/go on holiday with the Midds. They might have reached a compromise.
And then maybe the EACH stuff was the last drop because that looks like her being replaced in more aspects of her life and that’s what crossed the line?
Why couldn’t it be both? Rose honing in on her man AND her charities?
There is no way lawsuits get threatened because of Rose doing more for EACH than Kate. (Which frankly isn’t hard to do because Kate does so little for EACH of her own volition).
Defamation needs to have as a basis some kind of serious allegations including an attack on someone’s character and Rose and Kate fighting over Queen Bee status is not even remotely close to it. They may not be covering up an affair, but something significant is being covered up with these threats.
Also Kate doesn’t financially support any of her patronages. Royals simply bless the charity with their presence, so Rose donating any amount is more than Kate would ever have done. Again this isn’t any basis for a lawsuit.
Accusations like these are hard to prove at the end of the day and all of us including the commentators are just speculating. Unless one of the people involved comes out & gives an explicit statement either denying or confirming the rumor, then people will continue to speculate. Also any sort of public statement would also throw more fuel on the story so that might not be the best cause of action.
Personally I’m not really comfortable with people proclaiming someone’s guilt without any evidence.
I don’t buy anything about this whole story.
Except, not surprisingly, that’s not what the original gossip was. It was that Wills and Rose had slept together ages ago, when William and Kate were broken up.
There would be no reason for William to threaten to sue now, in 2019, for some gossip about him and Rose getting together over ten years ago, when W&K were broken up.
@Anna: then what do you think is going on? Because clearly *something* is. And whatever it is has William angry enough to be considering legal action. I have no idea if he had an affair with Rose or not, but something is up. I hope we find out what it is.
Actually, I can see it. Harry probably didn’t care much about William and his philandering in the past. But as a grown man and soon to be husband, maybe he finally saw things differently? I could see him snapping at Wills during one of his anecdotal man boasts and a feud ensuing.
It makes sense if it was a love affair and not just sex. Thats what Cliffe was implying in these tweets, that Harry is mad that Will is doing to his wife what Charles did to Diana. Will having sex with other women is one thing but a full blown romance? That’s something else.
I could see it just being *another* of Will’s affairs, not “love”, but this time, with Harry being married, becoming a father, it hits close, esp. as Harry idolized Diana (William saw a different side, as he was older and Diana made Wills her “confident” about a LOT of what was going on with her and Charles). Also, if Wills IS the one throwing Meghan to the wolves to deflect (as KP hasn’t come out against ANY of the press re: Meghan), and Harry is expressly forbidden to come out and to protect his wife in the press (by BP and CH) I can totally see this as Harry being beyond ticked off, and not wanting to be around Will.
He might’ve “forgiven” Will for him asking if he was moving too fast prior to the engagement (they seemed fine at H&M’s wedding), but this affair may’ve started over the summer, while the Cams were summering in Norfolk. This “frostiness” really began after the tour, which was in the fall, after the Cams went back to London for the kids’ school. This could’ve been when Rose started talking…? Kate’s gotten thinner and thinner… a lot of people don’t eat when upset….?
Complete conjecture, of course lol… but, as they say, where there’s smoke…
If William is truly in love with someone besides Kate, whether it’s Rose or someone else, my heart breaks for Kate. I’m nowhere near her biggest fan but she doesn’t deserve that to happen after all she’s done for him and put up with. And it would be awful for the children.
Yeah, my brother and I had a falling out for awhile because I told him off about cheating. To others who only know me superficially it could seem out of character. But, to those that know me well, there are nuances in my values and rebellion and cheating is not okay with me, at all. So, I agree that Harry may have a differing perspective as a husband and now soon-to-be dad. My brother’s then relationship fell apart and his side person had a baby, but that all fell apart spectacularly as well. Of course, I wasn’t happy about that and this was part of my point, no one comes out ahead and the repercussions can be years and years of hurt. So I hope it’s not true, but dang there’s a lot of work going on to bury the story.
My brother in law divorced his wife (who I really liked) for a lot of reasons, but one was that he was cheating. He and the woman he cheated with are now getting married next month. They live several states away, so I don’t need to see them often, but their whole relationship sort of grosses me out because we all know she was the girlfriend, and she seemed to delight in the fact that she helped split up his first marriage. I’ve never told off my brother in law because it’s my husband’s brother and it’s complicated, but I so wish I could because he’s just as slimey as she is.
Yeah, Daddy or Granny has called in favours with the UK press to make this go away and I could believe that Harry has/had issues with Williams indiscretions esp now that he has a family (which given their parents marriage could be a trigger for Harry). As I said on the other post, William is his fathers son who is making the same mistakes as Chuck. As for Kate, no one deserves this but the choice to put up with it is hers to make – she doesn’t have to.
I’m old enough to remember the gossip about Charles and Di’s marriage and the rumours of Chuck’s affairs – this is only the beginning and we all know how that marriage ended. When Williams finds his Camilla (someone he is in love with) then expect another royal divorce drama and I don’t think Kate will walk away with the same kind of money or good PR Di did. Di was beloved because she embraced her role and worked her ass off, Kate well we all know how ‘hard’ she ‘works’.
I still think the issues with Harry and William are around the fact that Big Willy just does not like Meghan and he did not approve of Harry marrying her and told him so.
If Kate and William were ever to divorce yeah Kate would fade into the background. There isnt anything remarkable about her.
She has THREE royal kids and a PR-focused family. I suspect we’d see so many pap strolls with her and Pippa and Pippa’s kids. Also from family vacations. Actually I just realized how much it sucks that she can’t just casually hang out with her family and do stuff outside that she wants… being a royal must be so isolating.
Funny none of those examples involve work.
If they were to divorce the press would turn on her and her family and it will not be pretty. The Mids may have cultivated a relationship with the Daily Fail/Tatler but that won’t save them in the end – the Fail will burn them along with the rest of the tabloids.
@Kitty
Yeah I don’t think she will ever have a proper job. She’s both lazy and wealthy. She’d do even less as a private citizen.
@Digital Unicorn ITA, but pretty soon the Queen is going to have some decisions to make and I don’t think she will have the pull over the media that she once had. The Jeffrey Epstein stuff is coming to light again because of his connections to Trump, and IIRC I read recently a lot of things that were concealed the last time around are going to be unsealed. She successfully shut it all down the last time to protect Andrew, but she might have a much harder time now. And she might be able to keep it out of the UK press, but it will be all over everywhere else.
If she’s ALSO trying to put pressure on the press into keeping quiet about William…I don’t know. Something’s got to give. They can’t ignore the William/Kate stuff forever. And again, there was no internet when everything went down with Charles & Diana so she had more control over the situation. Now, we all already know all of the rumors. It’s a different world.
@DU just so I understand, you’re actively hoping/expecting that William finds his “true love” and his family breaks up like Charles and Diana? Because that’s…harsh. And sad. Why would you wish that on someone?
Right?
@Enn I didn’t read it as “hoping” they divorce, she seemed to just be giving her opinion as to what would happen if they did. But I could be wrong.
Saying “When William finds his Camilla..expect another divorce” sounds pretty definite to me.
Whoa, we already have the Cambridges divorced, William remarried to his Camilla, Kate living in reduced circumstances with poor PR? Maybe slow down? William doesn’t seem romantic or even particularly sexual, I don’t think he’d bother divorcing and going through all that bad PR with 3 children to consider. They all have their roles and Kate will be the good wife; he would look bad if he dumped her. I say their family stays intact for good.
Yeah, and Will also doesn’t seem to have his father’s sense of duty. So if he decides he wants to be with his lover, I can’t see him trying to keep quiet for the sake of the firm. More like throwing a temper tantrum until he gets his way.
William doesn’t strike me as the type to be passionate or romantic in any sense of the word, and certainly not nearly enough to want to break up his incredibly stable home life with a wife and three kids, not even on the off chance that he has actually met the most incredible love of his life, his absolute soulmate or what have you.
Charles never really cared or expected that sort of thing. William on the other hand has made it abundantly clear that one of the biggest reasons why he preferred Kate and came back to her is because of her family, because she had the sort of home life growing up that he wanted, and because being with her promised him the chance to build the same going forward. He has always gravitated back to Kate because she is stable and dependable, and will be there for him no matter what. She always has been before, when he’s displayed this exact pattern of behaviour in the decade or so they were dating, and she always will be.
I can totally see this theory being true. Imagine getting marriage advance from your brother who you KNOW is cheating on his wife.
Yeah, this. Imagine William being like, well Harry should wait to marry Meghan or saying she won’t fit in or whatever they blew up about. All while he’s cheating. Not sure Harry – or anyone – would/should find him a great source of marital advice or knowledge. William is such a do what I say not what I do person. Yuck.
I definitely believe this could be part of the reason for the brothers falling out. I just think it sucks big time that Meghan -the black woman – who isn’t involved on any level, gets blamed, villainized, dragged through the mud by the Cambs, and trashed by the media…while white William gets the big coverup. If this is all true, I hope it comes out and William gets slammed. Hard. But either way, I’m glad the Sussexes are getting the hell out of KP and away from the Cambridges.
And it matches his other hypocritical behaviour like telling Africans they shouldn’t overpopulate while his wife is pregnant with number three.
Yep. He’s such a tool.
Good point! How ridiculous for William to offer advice on marriage. I actually think that the rumours about this affair have been circulating for quite a while but the papers dared not go public.
A very interesting article in the Sunday Times by Camilla Long, who knows what goes on behind the scenes, entitled, “Tread carefully, Meghan, otherwise Kate, the vaporiser-in-Chief, will disappear you”. The article is actually a very veiled reference to the Chumley ‘Affair ‘ and worth reading if you can.
OMG that story! lol. Here’s the link for all of you: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tread-carefully-meghan-otherwise-kate-the-vaporiser-in-chief-will-disappear-you-nv6x587xz
I just can’t believe any of that tripe: Kate as some Machiavellian sniper behind the scenes, backbone of steel, pulling all the strings! What Kate says goes! If Kate wants you banished, POOF! You’re gone! 😃
I think it’s as simple as Wandering Willy DID have the affair, and Kate doesn’t want to socialize with them anymore. Done and over. Will doesn’t want to take any chances of his family image being tarnished like dear old Dad’s, so he’s acquiesing to this all.
We know ‘Big Willy’ but ‘Wandering Willy’, Really? LMAO 😂
I am sorry but l am going to use that.
That’s my name for him, an’ I’m stickin’ with it! Lol
@jan90067, I don’t think Kate is a Machiavellian sniper. But I think she can absolutely be ruthless when it comes to cutting off relationships with people she doesn’t like. And I think she has more leverage now within the family and with William than she did before in the earlier days of their relationship or even their marriage.
I read the twitter thread last night and bought into it hook, line and sinker.
Is it true? Who knows. But it made sense to me.
I believe that Harry could absolutely still feel the sting of his father’s infidelities, how it effected their mother and how the public, global scandal nature of it all effected him. Teasing at school, etc. That shit is brutal on kids. And not easily forgotten.
And Kate/William have always given off the vibe that he does whatever he wants and she pretends it’s all fine. Trips to see ex girlfriends, bachelor weekends, etc.
I’m livid that they are using pregnant Meghan as a human shield to avoid writing about this affair. No favors are being called in to shut down the near daily avalanche of increasingly petty stories about Meghan. She and Harry are being thrown under the bus to deflect from the Cambridges marital troubles.
Like is exactly how Chuck and Di behaved during their the troubled part of their marriage, they threw his brother Andrew and his wife under the bus regularly to deflect from the breakdown of the relationship/marriage. History is repeating itself here and it explains the difficult relationship Charles and Andrew now have.
My only hope is that things are different now with SM (fan support) and we’ve seen Meghan’s friends speaking out. So hopefully after the Sussexes get out of the vipers den they can find ways to get their truth out and leave the old racist RRs to do the Cambridges’ bidding. I think (hope!) there will be Cambridge backlash in the end because times have changed since the Wales v Yorks. Also, the Yorks brought some bad press on themselves and I don’t see the Sussexes having toe sucking scandals or anything.
The difference is that Charles and Diana’s problems were kept hidden for years by the inner circle and there was no social media back then. This generation of royals can hide very little with platforms like Twitter to spread things like wildfire.
I have said for a long time that Kate has been looking tired, thin and unhappy, and William just tends to ignore her in public. If this gossip is all true and l believe it is, the road ahead will be rocky for them all, and we may see a fourth baby Cambridge, as many are predicting.
Charles and Andrew ALWAYS had a difficult relationship. One part is the age gap; the other WAY BIGGER part is Andrew thinks, as Mummy’s favorite, HE should be PoW and the future king.
Fergie and Andrew were deeply ridiculous and really didn’t need much help from Charles and Di to look bad in the press. They were barely married 5 years before Fergie was papped with her top off getting her toes sucked by her so called financial advisor.
@PrincessK, your comment just gave me an idea. Many people have been saying that Kate has been looking so much happier and more relaxed in the past year, since Louis was born. Is it possible that William did have an affair, they dealt with it and got past it, and the reason he’s so angry is because it is only becoming public now?
They might have had it out after his dad-dancing ski trip, worked through a rough patch, had Louis, and thought they were past it. Until all of a sudden Rose (or whoever) started talking and word got around and now here we are? This seems plausible to me.
ETA: this still doesn’t explain why Meghan would have been thrown under the bus since September though, so who knows.
This is the only part that also bothers me.
Not the “think of the children” concern trolling BS cause I would bet many of those same ppl don’t think about the child Duchess Meghan is carrying as she is repeatedly attacked by the press / social media trolls and how she & her child – and husband – are thrown under a bus to deflect from other royals’ scandals.
I am annoyed by the House Sussex scapegoating cause they are being made to sit their hands or be silent while no one at KP works even a quarter as diligently to halt the nastiness or tacky stories about DoS as they have to squash a story that only really got traction because of the swift, hard denial.
I look forward to seeing how things play out in terms of pushback on those dog whistle stories & WTF vile commentary from RRs when House Sussex’s move to BP is finalized + their whole team is in place.
Not true Bonobochick. A whole Forbes article on Meghan’s spending and expensive PR just disappeared almost overnight.
But even with the move, and their own PR people, with Charles and TQ still “overseeing” it, won’t the first line still be to “protect the direct heir” over the “spare” (and his wife)? While H&M’s staff will promote the hell out of their work, I’m not so sure they’ll be allowed to “defend/deflect” personal stories, esp. “at the expense” of anyone over their “pecking order status”.
That Forbes article, written and posted by a contributor, is the only one out of many nasty articles about Meghan that has “disappeared”, and it was probably yanked because it was nothing more than a regurgitation of those articles with a very racist, hypocritical overtone. All the rest have stuck and have obviously contributed to the Anti-Meghan commenters’ opinions that she is responsible for the affair story.
@svea and yet Forbes took the time to have someone write and publish that article at all. Who had the article’s byline? What is that person’s history?
I read the whole thread from Nicole Cliffe and she starts off by saying that this is her own narrative of what she thinks went down largely based on the information that is already out there which admittedly isn’t much. She then went on to provide an email address asking people to send her any juicy gossip about the W&K which leads me to believe that she doesn’t have any of her own sources on the ground.
Yeah this is total fan fiction on her part and to be honest hate to see it celebrated here. Anybody can tweet anything and she basically says she is speculating out her ass. It’s like a game of telephone, the dumb Coren dudes tweet is now taken as fact and embroidered on by the next person.
FWIW I’ve followed Nicole for a while and she does have sources. She’s pretty well-regarded. Obviously no one knows if what she wrote in that thread is true, but she was up front about the fact that she was editorializing a lot of it.
She isn’t just some Twitter rando, though. Last night, a couple of New York Times reporters even retweeted that thread.
This is not to say she’s 100% correct because none of us have a clue what’s going on. But she has a good reputation.
She just confirmed she received DMs confirming it’s true and others making threats. She’s sticking to her story. And she’s based in the US so she can’t be threatened legally.
@Nic919 really? Oooh I hadn’t seen that. Interesting.
Wow she said she got Twitter DMs from burner accounts saying it’s true! Wow it must be true then! Give this woman a Pulitzer for her Twitter “reporting”.
Skepticism and critical thinking are good things.
You’re quite defensive for a story that in your opinion can’t possibly be true. Besides I simply repeated what she said and then added the legal fact that she can’t be pursued in the US the same way the UK press can be. As for critical thinking, well I do quite well in court arguing submissions, something which I doubt you have ever done based on your weak position of personal attacks and innuendo. But please, tell me all about defamation law in the US and the UK. I look forward to hearing from someone with an internet law degree.
The only way we’ll get new developments in this story is if a non-British media outlet sinks their teeth into it. The fact that the British press has a fresh round of anti-Meghan stories, along with Dickie suddenly speaking up several times to whine about how Meghan needs to “know her place” tells me there IS something big they’re dutifully hiding and ignoring.
The DM Nicole posted was intriguing. I wonder how long ago the alleged banker affair occurred because I can’t imagine the DailyFail is eager to expose it now…not since they have a prime target in Meghan.
I want to know more about William’s affair with the banker. He’s a serial cheater so there must be so many of these stories. I wonder what’s different with the turnip toff one and why that’s coming to light now.
I think that this time, it’s because it is VERY close to home, literally and figuratively. While it’s been reported that the whole aristo set is rather incestuous (they all seem to be having affairs with each other’s spouses, and still socialize), if Willie or Rose had the “real feels” for each other, or even is just one of them did, I can “get” the freeze out. Even if it’s not Rose, but she just provided the place for Will to have his trysts (shades of his dad, at Anmer!), I can see why Kate wouldn’t want anything to do with her. It’s one thing to “know”, it’s another to have it “shoved in her face”.
Is it only me or is Rose a dead ringer for Williams nanny Tiggy Legge bourke?
I wouldn’t say a dead ringer, but there certainly is a resemblance between young Tiggy and current Rose
Omg… that’s funny… and creepy! LOLOL
Holy crap, yes! And EEEWWWWW!
Someone told me that Rose resembles Jecca Craig.
Rose makes Kate look cheap.
All these folks boink each other ad naseum, problems arise only when someone takes it seriously or doesn’t understand the game.
At the risk of sounding terribly bourgeois, what an empty, sad life. Sure, the houses and clothes are nice, but it sounds so vacuous.
Lesanne you are so right about what goes on in those circles and the importance of understanding how the ‘game’ is played. Apparently Mr Chumley is quite a character, which makes one wonder what has really been going on.
Princessk, I have heard (read) the same thing about Mr. David Chumley person but I cannot find anything (gossip) via google on his past pre-Rose life. If you have a link, could you please post it? Thanks!
Sorry l can’t remember exactly where l read about him, but l do recall it being said that he was a real ladies man, linked to a whole string of society women, and nobody expected him to ever get get married and it was a real shock when he actually got married to Rose, who was already pregnant with twins who were born very premature.
I hope these people frequently get tested cause eww. Passing each other around like party favors wow.
Mm-hmm. And yet anyone else on a lower socio-economic scale who engaged in such extramarital affairs would be considered, vulgarly, as “trailer trash”. Proving as always that money, social standing and estates, don’t buy you class.
Royals have been doing this for thousands of years. It is nothing new. they are horn dogs with tons of opportunity.
They probably do now, but there was a whole prevalence of sexually transmitted diseases among the royals about a century ago because they couldn’t stop boinking each other’s husbands/wives and getting their rocks off at sketchy brothels and into bed with stage actresses and low level aristocratic women (no disrespect meant to any of the two ofc).
It’s especially funny in light of the fact that bloodlines and inheritances and things like legitimacy of their children are SO IMPORTANT in maintaining royalty/aristocracy…and yet the odds of any of these people being legitimately descended in the male-line with all of this extra-marital loving is…questionable, to say the least.
Maybe this isnt the story. Maybe this Rose, William, and Kate rumor is meant to deflect against something worse? Or maybe this is the something worse, and is the reason for this months long campaign against the Sussex’s? I dont know. I can see this being a good reason for the fallout between Harry and Will, because lets be honest, Harry would have known that eventually his brother would throw him and Meghan, and baby sussex under the bus to protect himself. That’s been Will’s mo for years.
And this is the reason for the fallout. Previously Harry would have dutifully taken his place under the bus for ‘the crown’.
But now he has a bi-racial pregnant wife who is blamed for all and sundry and he is not willing to sacrifice her and his unborn child into the bargain.
By attacking Meghan Harry now sees that William likely has used him all his life bc of how he now used Meghan.
@Busyann, from William and Kate’s perspective, though, what could be worse? Unless it’s something insane like William is the father of one of Rose’s children or something (which I absolutely do not believe!), him cheating on Kate seems like the worst-case scenario for them, PR-wise.
LOL, like the condom broke? Those kind of rumours would be grounds for a lawsuit, wouldn’t they?
Apple didn’t fall far from the tree.
Did you see the last blindgoss? It is mind blowing,,,,and I also this it is one the the most nonsense since a long time. Poor MM
I’m pretty sure that one is blindgossip’s annual April Fool, especially with them saying an announcement’s coming Monday…
I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that that particular Blind Gossip post is literally a joke.
That’s the April fool’s day joke, they have one every year.
And that’s the only story they have that’s big enough and stupid enough to be it, plus a “reveal” on Monday, April 1.
But my God the stupid racist people in that comment section is astounding.
So many people taking at face value that Meghan’s baby is Will’s
I posted it’s the April fool’s day joke and my comment is still under moderation, so I’m sure that’s what it is.
Lol I was initially annoyed that they made that their joke this year, but the absolute glee of some of those morons at Meghan screwing up so bad made it okay. They look even more idiotic than usual.
How could anyone believe that to be true? Much less that Blind Gossip has sources so deep inside the royal family that they would be the ones to break the story?? 🙄
William also married someone he wasn’t that truly fond of, just like dear ole Dad. Women never marry a man that is lukewarm over you because he will sooner or later cheat on you. Men marrying out of obligation always spells disaster you think William would have learned this from his own family.
But William did choose his wife.
I disagree. I think he’s fond, maybe not so much of Kate exactly, but of what she can offer him and what she represents. I think William has a distaste for the sort of aristocratic dilettantism that his parents and others in his set engage in, even as he takes part in it himself. He just wants a home to go back to at the end of the day.
There is SOMETHING going on, just because of the effort that’s gone in to deflect a story that was tiny and vague and would have faded away if Kay hadn’t written his weird article.
I don’t know if it’s an affair, or if it’s just an affair. William has been cheating throughout his and Kate’s relationship and they seem to have come to an arrangement over that, so if he was cheating with Rose then there’s something else happening too. Maybe there was a risk of it going public (I think Kate could turn a blind eye with it happening in private, but it being out in the open would be very different), maybe there was a risk of it being emotional or romantic.
The tweet thread kinda seems to be just speculation, but it does seem to make sense. Especially with their family history, if William was advising Harry not to marry Meghan while he was carrying out an affair, I can see Harry taking that very badly. And Meghan being thrown under the bus and being blamed for the frostiness between William and Harry from that would just make it even worse.
I can’t believe how HUGE of a misstep the Kay article was though. That’s blown the whole thing up into something big!
I agree. The Kay article and legal threats contained within it just pushed this rumbling to another level. And it’s worldwide so KP can’t make threats to US or other non UK press.
@Nic if the Kay article hadn’t been SO over the top, I don’t think it would be this bad. But it was so, so clearly trying to divert attention from whatever is going on by gushing about how perfect and wonderful Kate is.
Yeah I think the fact being lost in some of the skepticism/debate (in general more than on this site) is that the initial story truly wasn’t much of a story in the first place. The first reports literally amounted to “Kate and some posh lady had a nasty fight. The lady and her husband are super well-liked among the turnip toffs by the way.” That’s it. No reason was given for the fight. No allusions to cheating or any other unseemly behavior. If Will/KP kept quiet, we wouldn’t be talking about this right now.
Beli, This is the first I’ve heard of this: “William has been cheating throughout his and Kate’s relationship and they seem to have come to an arrangement over that.” Who are these other women?
@betsyh, you’re not the only one. Many people who only started following them after their wedding weren’t around to hear the stories from St. Andrews’
They were quite juicy but I also can’t remember all the names unless I look all of them up but I can’t bring myself to do it. Wills serially dated AND serially cheated on most of his university girlfriends. They’re mostly on good terms now, with Kate wearing dresses from one of the other girls’ fashion line, another I remember was named Farquaad. Another was in a theatre play, she was saving herself for marriage so Wills dumped her for Kate and apparently the girl let everyone know DURING the play, like she knew they were in the audience so she modified one of her lines to let everyone know what had happened. That was a great story. Girl was gorgeous, too.
I had never heard of William cheating either until the Cathy Cambridge-Rose Cholmondeley feud either. I did read somewhere (not reliable) years ago that supposedly Isabella Branson was the love of Bill Cambridge’s life.
All this does for me is reinforce the idea that the Cambridges/Middletons have a great deal of influence on certain media outlets because of how quickly this story died. Meanwhile we are still being hammered with “Me-gain” story rehashes and other articles making barbed remarks about the Sussexes ie. they are spendthrifts dropping x number of pounds on soundproofing etc. I wish the Sussexes were not sitting ducks for media attacks and deflections from Cambridge shortcomings and gossip. It is so unfair.
Well l picked up somewhere that the Chumley’s felt that it was unfair that the Cambridge and especially Middleton camp were trying to throw their girl Rose under the bus, and they were not prepared to make that happen. The very well connected Chumley/Hanbury camp are according to gossip formidable and well aware that the Middleton’s are hand in glove with DM.
That’s interesting – if thats the case they are not going to be happy with this ongoing press hit job at their daughter and given that Rose’s mother as a social climber extrodinaire am betting she won’t let this slide. And the Chumley’s are better connected and wealthier than the Middletons/Cambridges. I’d keep an eye on the foreign press.
The Percy’s clapped back at the Middletons over their PR campaign to get Pippa and George Percy together as a couple (they issued a sternly worded statement via a lawyer) am sure Hanbury’s/Chumleys will too.
For what it’s worth, the only thing I think Rose is maybe guilty of is gossiping about the Cambridges/William’s indiscretion.
Was george percy at pippas wedding? Didn’t see him..
Interesting. The Cambridge Middleton scapegoating might come back to bite them eventually.
I’m just thankful Nicole taught us all it’s pronounced “Chumley.”
Now if she would give lessons on how to say “marchioness” I’ll be set.
IKR? I know I’m butchering the word in my mind I can’t even imagine how it would sound if I actually tried to say it lol
I’ve heard British peeps pronounce marchioness in a very sing-songy way, like “mark-an-ess” but also “marsh-an-ess”
I have heard “mar-quinn-ess” via Downton Abbey.
Just say “martian” and add -ess to the end.
Many thanks:)
Um, the 2 women look exactly alike except Kate is prettier?
Eh, on 2nd thought, I’ve seen that happen often enough.
Rose is very beautiful with the right hair and right make-up. Rose is very sexy in an English way. Tatler re-posted an old fashion spread she did years ago last week on their website.
I meant to post “Rose is very beautiful when she has the right hair and right make-up.”
It’s bizarre that we are still imposing bourgeoisie values on the upper class when those morals no longer rule anywhere. It’s the same with Hollywood couples. We all know they cheat but act ignorant and surprised when it hits the press. They know they cheat but don’t care unless their lessors catch wind through the press.
This is very true. They all do it; they just don’t like it being discussed.
I see autocorrect has turned “lessers” into “lessors” which I only mention because it means they’re being leased, and so they don’t like it when the lease-holders find out things! Not mocking you in the least, I just love the idea of leasing my own toff!
What would I have it do? Parade around in fancy clothes and *try* not to embarrass me, I suppose! 😂😂😂
Dm has been trying to make Rose vs Kate a thing since 2016: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3657396/Who-s-Queen-Bee-turnip-toffs-rural-Norfolk-neighbours-ve-got-common-sorry-Kate-superglam-Marchioness-Cholmondeley-lives-grander-style.html
Yes, I looked that up and reading between the lines, this ‘matter’ may have been going on for quite some time but nobody dared say anything until Kate has now decided suddenly to not put up with it and put her foot down and said stop!
That article points out how Rose moves fast, to catch her hubby, engaged and then pregnancy announced ‘the next day’ by her mother…
It seems as though Rose’s mother has quite a lot in common with Carole Middleton in rigorously ensuring that her daughters married very well, unfortunately they have both found themselves on opposite sides of what could be a very unpleasant situation.
Have you all seen this one, from Saturday? https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1107557/royal-news-kate-middleton-prince-william-most-popular-friends The last line made me LOL.
Thanks for sharing. Seems like the Express journalists produce much better quality writing than DM.
A kindergarten newsletter written by its students would produce much better writing than the Daily Fail.
I can believe that the UK press could be pushed into burying this story but on the other hand its worth remembering that editors are probably overwhelmed with the Brexitclusterf**k at the moment. Multiple late nigh votes, angry readers on both sides, a PM that could go at any moment, constitutional crisis of historic proportion and news changing so quickly that newspapers are out of date almost as soon as they hit the stand.
I wouldn’t blame editors for telling their royal reporters to go away for a bit and get some solid proof so that they don’t have to deal with Brexit and the Royal Family’s anger at the same time. I think we might have to wait for summer and the Parliament recess (if there is one) for a splashy Royal expose?
Yet, Mara, they have the time while burying this story to keep talking about Duchess Meghan in interviews and write stories about her even though it has been like 2 weeks since she has been seen in public.
So I don’t buy that it has anything to do with Brexit since there are non-royal reporters for that beat. The royal reporters squashing this story while still gunning for DoS is something else entirely and IMO that is contributing to the increased speculation regarding the turnip toffs and the cambridges.
The Kay article made so many attacks on Meghan, and made sure to say Kate “never got a foot wrong” and was “enthusiastic “ for her engagements despite visual evidence otherwise. The attacks on Meghan were unnecessary and shows extreme insecurity from whoever told Kay to write his article.
Exactly. The strange details on how apparently not-close the Cambridges and Cholmondeleys are were also unnecessary. It was such an unwarranted, heavy-handed piece in general. Of course people were going to raise their brows and start speculating.
It is infuriating and disgusting that they continue to trash Meghan while completely ignoring the William/Kate story.
No one knows what actually happened with William, but that’s what the royal reporters are for! The longer they ignore it, the worse the speculation is going to get.
What are they afraid of? Making the Queen angry? FFS, it’s 2019 and they should do their jobs or be replaced by journalists who will.
Royal reporters aren’t journalists but court stenographers. They never go after the hard stories and instead are used to push various agendas of the royals. And they have yet to seriously challenge the BRF once threats of legal action are made. The Andrew connection to Epstein should never have been shut down.
This would all seem silly if we hadn’t watched Charles cheat with Camilla while he had a much younger more beautiful wife. All while making sure every move Andrew made got turned into a scandal. Maybe Harry is pissy because dear old dad said look son, a scandal is coming, and we’ll need you and Meghan to deflect for a bit. Then when your baby gets here everyone will forget.
Prince Charles saw an inner beautiful in Camilla. A woman can be beautiful or a man handsome but if their personality doesn’t match the outer beauty who wants to live with that?
True
@Mia, sorry, but I don’t think a woman who sleeps with another woman’s husband is “beautiful” on the inside.
Charles married Diana in bad faith, knowing he really wanted Camilla. TQ let it happen. The whole thing was a setup from Day 1.
She is and has always been his true love. Women you are, I’m putting them bluntly, stupid is they believe it is about looks. It is never about looks it is ALWAYS about how a woman makes him feel.
Camilla wasn’t his only mistress, she’s just the one who stuck around the longest.
Lorelei, Diana targeted married men for at least three of her affairs.
Being around a whiny child or an adult, is draining.
Stop with the looks thing ladies it a complete lie & myth. Men will never obsess over you just because of your looks. Never fall head over heels in love if you because of looks. They help in initial attraction, influence them into having sex with you but will never win him full over as a loyal man who will love you fully. Believing this lie and myth kills your true power as a woman.
That’s such a shallow way of looking at it. Listen, Charles married who he was told to: a young, virginal, aristocratic woman. That’s what had always been done. He couldn’t get any of the ones he actually liked to agree to marry him so he just did his duty. The expectation being that he could have actual love and his sexual needs met on the side – which is what kings had always done. The thing is, times were changing rapidly. Also, Diana was not in on this widely known bit of information – which was deeply unfair to her. She had stars in her eyes and was completely naive and expected it to be a true love marriage. The thing is, they were a bad match. They barely knew each other when they got married. He was much older, with a certain dry sense of humour, and a bit of impetuous side which needed to be babied (pathetic but true). He was insecure and needed pumping up. He’s also quite intelligent. Diana was young and very sweet, but extremely naive, not particularly well educated, emotionally unbalanced, with a fear of abandonment because of her childhood. She was not worldly. It is widely known by those who met her that she was lovely and charismatic but not particularly bright (I know people who dined with her and a father of a friend who worked for her who all confirmed this). This was a terrible match. Beyond that, the press lost its collective mind over her and she had no protection or advice whatsoever. The royal family left her hanging in the wind essentially (as rough as Meghan has it, in terms of sudden exposure to intense scrutiny she still has advice and support and a modicum of protection at least from her husband as well
as being older and better prepared). Camilla was Charles’ age, from his set. She was very funny and witty and bright. She knew how to baby Charles when he needed babying and how to leave him alone when he needed time away. Let’s not forget that she wasn’t his only lover. There were others – particularly Kanga, who was close to Di and neck-and-neck with Camilla for a long time but who was not discreet enough in the end and demanded too much. Di grew up a little and fought back. She too had affairs. But instead of the classic “do it but do it privately” that was expected by the family and her set, she went nuclear. She changed the game. After she was divorced, Di came into her own and used her natural charisma and popularity to great effect. She became confident. She had fun. She was a different person in many ways. In the end, this doesn’t boil down to “prettier and younger vs older and less attractive”. Marriages are rarely based on those things. It is down to compatibility.
You’re absolutely right, SK, although people did try to tell Diana before they got married and she just wasn’t willing to accept it. And the truth is that she didn’t love Charles any more than he loved her – the person she was in love with was the concept of the Prince of Wales that she built up in her head, not Charles the actual human being.
Excellent take, SK.
Very true Elizabeth! In love with the idea of love and the idea of marrying a prince… Considering her lonely childhood and the fact that she was always a bit of a fantasist, can’t you just imagine that it seemed like a fairytale to her… being swept away from her boring, lonely life to a life of love and liveliness. What a shock the reality must have been.
Diana was definitely more beautiful, but Camilla was 1) likely Charles’ first long term, serious relationship, and 2) infinitely more fun and on Charles’ level in terms of interests and life style than Diana ever was. Charles and Diana had a huge disconnect, both because of their age difference, and because they were simply different people who liked different things. No amount of physical beauty can make up for that, and if that alone stopped people from cheating, the world would be a much different place.
I dont follow them much. But since rumours that Kate and Meghan didn’t get along (never believed them), Kate has been seen in public interacting with Meghan. William, on the other hand, does not even interact with his brother let alone with his sister -in-law.
So I buy this story.
@Miss M, I didn’t either they’re just sister in laws but Kate’s college friend is the editor of Tatler. That doesn’t look good.
But are they really friends?! Is it possible they drifted apart once Kate got married?
@Miss M – the editor of Tatler just recently posted on IG that Kate’s confirmed that Tatler is her favortie magainze and had lunch with his mom.
Also, interesting thread here about the connection between Kate and Tatler.
https://twitter.com/TudorChick1501/status/1112242719152316422
The connection between Tatler’s editor and Kate… also the Tatler writer who wrote that recent hit piece on Meghan is the bf of the racist former British Vogue editor in chief, who’s friends with Kate’s new stylist and just recently also wrote a piece praising Kate’s fashion. They are all interconnected and it’s very concerning.
It’s concerning because even if Kate has nothing to do with this, her friends have no problem slagging off Meghan without apparently any concern that Kate might not like that. Same with how any PR article of Kate can’t go without having at least 1 jab about Meghan. Whereas when Meghan’s friends defend her, there’s not a peep about Kate or a negative word about her from the Sussex camp.
@MA, I agree with all that you say but I still believe the the People Magazine article, like the article by Richard Kay of the Daily Fail, was a VERY BAD idea.
FWIW Popbitch did a piece last week claiming William’s affair with Rose is “an open secret”.
I don’t know about the Sussex angle except that if William was questioning Harry’s relationship while diddling someone not his wife then yeah I can see how that would piss of Harry.
Personally I can buy that William has been unfaithful. Not like he didn’t mess around in college during their relationship. They all admitted it in so many words. I doubt much has changed except maybe he got too cocky and then got a bit sloppy.
Now I will say this, I don’t know if I buy that Rose is the woman. I think Rose might know who the other woman really is and that is the source of the drama between the ladies. Small drama can turn into big drama when people get in their feelings and tongues start wagging.
Regardless all of this could have been avoided if reporters like Richard Kay and legal at KP didn’t go overboard trying to downplay it especially when they basically ignored every nasty thing thrown at Meghan. It just reeked of desperation and all that did was make people think they were actually hiding something.
So at this point it doesn’t even matter if it is true or not. People are now going to look at the royals in a different way because of how they approached one rumor with Kate vs the 351365 of Meghan. They created this narrative and now they have to live with it.
People forget William had a GF when he started hooking up with Kate on the side after the infamous fashion show – as my mother and grandmother used to day ‘you lose him they way you got him’.
Kate was the sidepiece? That I didn’t know. They tired that overlap with Harry and Meghan and they couldn’t make it stick. The exes weren’t biting.
^ Yep she went from sidepiece to GF and then wife. IIRC the GF dumped him when she found out about Kate and the rest, as they say, is history. At the time their fellow students spilled a lot of tea about them. about how Kate basically stalked him around campus and how she would go to his classes and take notes for him when he couldn’t be bothered to turn up.
Their was a St Andrews student message board that had a lot of tea but when the press started printing said tea it got shut down.
This runs exactly along the lines of what I said a couple of days ago.
I. Told. You. So.
It makes sense to me given all that has been observed over the last few months.
That’s a juicy thread…
I believe the affair story because Lainey hasn’t spilled real tea in a long time and she was the first person I saw really go for it with that read-between-the-lines post. She’s been big-upping Kate for months now, which I’ve found odd, but it may be because she knew she was being humiliated.
If this Rose was talking about the affair so much that it spread, I’m just wondering how it got to Kate or more horrifying, who had to tell her.
I think Lainey think or knows there is an affair, which is why I think it is true also.
I’m just enjoying eating the popcorn!
So is this this Rose heaux the reason why Kate is so damn emaciated looking these days? They look like they are trying to out skinny each other. For boring Bill Windsor?
Well, don’t forget power is an aphrodisiac.
But what power does he have? He is not the Prime Minister. I think it is less about power and more that these toffs are all up each other’s butts, and this titled world is all they know. So I guess in that circle he’s….well, he’s the King. Still, he can’t even have anyone beheaded so I’m a hard pass on his pasty face.
I wonder if this is the reason why Kate is too thin as well.
You know the late Diana once remarked to someone that Charles preferred her skinny v the weight she was at the time of the engagement announcement….though Camilla to my knowledge, was never seen as terribly thin….. I think there is too much pressure as the official royal consort in younger generations.
Stress probably and having 3 kids who she does actually look over.
Huh? She’s looked this thin many times over the years, when she isn’t pregnant or postpartum. The most ’emaciated’ she looked was right before and after her wedding and on their tour of Canada in 2011.
The late Diana was speaking about herself (being thin)… not Kate, silly!!!
All aristocrats are painfully, dreadfully boring. They are the exact sort of boring they would say they hate (in Tatler listicles no less), but they are all completely dull. If William is dull, then so is Kate, and so is Rose Hanbury. So it’s easy to see why dull attracts dull.
Whatever the deal was with the Turnup Toffs I don’t buy William having an affair. He was his mother’s confidant and was the one old enough to see and understand all her unhappiness. Also I think he has zero game. Whenever he broke up with Kate to test other waters it seemed like he was so awkward and nerdy he ran right back to her. Finally he and Charles are in a whole bunch of meetings about the transition. With Brexit it is also a sensitive time. He’d have yo be a total nitwit to risk the public scandal of an affair now. And he is not. He had that “protect the monarchy and duty” drilled into him from day one, even by Diana. Maybe he flirts, but Cancer Sun Cancer moon. These men are all about family.
LOL
Second that lol…🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I appreciate your take because I had the impression Will was always kind of angry at the restrictions of the crown and complained about wanting a “normal life”. This meant normal aristocratic life where he inherited money and did whatever we wanted, since we know he doesn’t like 9-5 schedule.
“These men are all about family.”
This is a joke, right? Are you at all familiar with Charles’s history? FGS.
A family man definitely plans a trip over Easter to be without his family.
Cancer men Lorilei. Cancer men.
Camilla is also a Cancer Sun, Cancer Moon.
Read Katie Nicholl’s book on Kate. William tried to date other women when they broke up, but no one wanted him in his circle. He was awful to Kate when they dated, he would “blank” her when they stood in a group and she spoke, he would completely ignore her. Each college summer he would head back to Tetbury and “party” and not see her, but then resumed living with her during their college years…
I love more blue check mark’s on twitter are speaking. The RR reporters in the UK may be too afraid to say anything but not american columnist. Even yashar retweeted this. Do I think anything will come from this? No. But karma is a b!tch and with this RR can control twitter.
@Guest ITA and I nearly screamed when I saw that Yashar retweeted it. Honestly it is making the “official” Royal reporters look like a joke for pretending this story doesn’t exist. They are going to render themselves completely irrelevant if they don’t actually keep up with the real news that people want to know about, like whatever is going on with William.
I’m actually glad that the rumors have sort of reached a fever pitch because it shows how cowardly and biased the RRs truly are. Because there is a story here — what it is, we don’t yet know — and they’re furiously trying to pretend there isn’t. They are going to lose followers for being so inept at their jobs.
Yashar is an actual journalist, and I laughed that he actually retweeted this. With twitter and the internet the RR and KP cant control the narrative, like with Charles and camilla. All the royal reporters can do is create more crap about Meghan and surprise what’s the story today? Meghan is going to break 40 yrs of tradition because shes supposedly going to give birth near frogmore.
Did Yashar retweet it? Oh wow, that gives more credence to it IMO.
Yashar did retweet and added it’s time for some tea.
@Sharon yes! Someone else from the NYT retweeted it as well — I think she’s the television critic — which shows that Nicole Cliffe does have some credibility.
ITA that the Queen can no longer control the narrative in 2019. Which is why the RRs look so foolish for not covering this.
What is Yashar supposed to know? LOL All these “blue check marks” are “speaking” because a cheating story would be an incredibly juicy gossip,whatever are the implications for the families involved, and obviously people are interested. It doesn’t really mean anything more than that.
And I don’t see where Nicole C. Is pretending to have any insight.
The point is that the initial story is really a non story to begin with. It’s about Kate banning this Rose Hanbury from her circle,and William and her husband trying to heal this vague feud. There may be endless reasons for this type of gossip spreading in their circle,if it’s even true,but the juicy one is obviously about cheating.
But do really people expect royal writers creating a “cheating scandal” on this premise? It’s even pointless to write again about it unless they add precise details,with precise sources they can “defend” against a predictable legal action. They can’t report about a vague palace source in this case,because it’s something a bit bigger than your typical “royal gossip” about the private secretary leaving the staff.
@V, the reason it’s significant that people like Yashar who write for the New York Times are retweeting Nicole is because they know she’s credible. No one is saying that means her thread from last night is the gospel truth, but most credible journalists affiliated with respected organizations wouldn’t spread something without having some idea that there’s something to it.
Additionally, they are royal REPORTERS, not royal writers, as you referred to them, so no one is expecting them to, as you said, “create a cheating scandal.” We want them to do their jobs, find out what the story is, and then report on it. And it might turn out that there’s no truth to it at all, but no one will know if they’re all too scared of backlash from the Palace to do their jobs.
Not to mention that they had NO problem using “vague palace sources” with zero proof to publish literally hundreds of stories trashing Meghan, so why are William and Kate being treated differently?
I saw this and am laughing at all coming out. Crossing fingers for wendy Williams to bring it up. It’s also funny watch places like royal.dish and the crazies on twitter trying to turn around and blame meghan for this, especially RD since you know they cant talk about meghan anymore 🤣🤣 because the cambridges are the perfect couple to them now.
I totally believe this and I love that more people who verification on Twitter are talking more. The RR are very silent and expect more anti Meghan articles from them to divert.
Waiting for article #682 on “Why Meghan’s Handwriting Reveals She’s a Narcissist”
I like the theory that Cholmondeley Castle may have been used as a convenient trysting spot for Willnot. Lord knows he’s too lazy to carry on a full-fledged affair that’s not conveniently situated.
Alternatively, perhaps William returned from one of his dalliances with an unwelcome “gift” he inadvertently shared with Kate. If Harry got wind of that and Wills then tried to lecture him about marriage – good lord! But then isn’t this sort of hypocrisy entirely in character for the heir to the throne?
I love your user name 😂
Oh my Gawd that would be awful. ‘An unwelcome gift’ like that would be hideous.
I would think press would have sympathy for a lady who divorces someone for such a gift but he’s POW so you guys are all probably correct, they’d hate on Kate then, too.
Man that unwelcome gift idea really got me.
I would actually gain so much respect for Kate, along with a ton of sympathy, if she left William if this turns out to be true. I think a lot of people would. But I think hell will freeze over before she divorces him.
What is blatantly stupid about this scandal is the thinking that hit pieces about Meghan and this allegeded cheating will go away. That and puff pieces about Kate getting a new stylist to up her game. The funny thing about this stylist – she is the daughter of a lord and she went to St Andrews with Will and Kate. If fact she was part of the clique. Risking being a conspiracy theorist the woman may know the tea to spill. The new job is a payoff?
I agree that they are slipping in their attempts at covering whatever it is up. It is fairly weak and obvious. Watch they release some Baby Sussex news tomorrow.
Maybe baby Sussex itself will be released!
They had a paragraph last night on the story about H&M not doing a baby reveal outside the hospital. She didn’t want to be seen copying Kate, and Meg was worried about possible complications and did not want to have to do makeup and hair for the cameras, she would “rather spend the time getting to know their newborn”
I didn’t check the comments, they are all the same these days.
If (big if) the affair rumors are true, then I feel bad for Kate. Yes, I know she wanted him and waited and got him, etc but it still has to sting. Don’t forget that Diana developed an ED because she felt powerless about the Chuck/Cam sitch. Maybe Kate thought she could handle this life but reality is harder than hypotheticals.
I can see Harry, who clearly adores his wife and sees her as a partner and an equal, being like “wtf are you doing, you have a wife and three kids and can’t keep it in your pants, I have no respect for you.” Meghan takes no bs either so I imagine she’d be supremely unimpressed with his infidelity.
Kate is no Diana. Think she will stick with Will till the end. She married for a title not for love. Diana partly married Charles because she was in love.
You know I think Kate is really into William and always was. The problem was that he was not as into her as Jecca or Isabella but settled with the one who would have him.
@Isabelle I also think Kate will stick with him, but IMO she does truly, genuinely love him. I don’t think it’s fair to say she married him only for the title.
She might *stay* only for the title if it turns out he’s been cheating on her, but I think it would be devastating to her. She always looks like she totally adores him in most photos of them together. He never looks at her that way and it’s really sad.
But that doesn’t mean infidelity and embarrassment wouldn’t be difficult for her. We’re all human.
Diana barely knew Charles when she married him. She was naive, not in love. Everyone around her knew that it wasn’t a love match and what would be expected (that he would play on the side), she somehow missed that. Kate was with Will for around a decade before they got married. He may have been a sh*t for a lot of it; but that is love more than Di and Charles ever was.
I don’t know why, but I really adore Kate’s blush pink sparkly dress!
Just wish I could dress up like that for a day and wear those diamonds.
I know, how shallow ~ LOL
Also, as a child of divorce where my father made no secret of his affairs, I feel some type of way about the almost gleeful reactions here to an affair being at the root of this. I was the oldest and knew what was up and I still carry some of that baggage with me to this day.
Me, too. I repressed two years of my life and haven’t been able to unlock them yet.
If the rumours are true, William is an idiot and I feel sorry for his children.
What we are learning about Kate and William is that NO ONE CARES! They are boring and have been on the job as a team for over 7 years and have contributed ZERO. If you don’t believe me watch the tabloid bring out old and tired stories about Meghan to keep their “click”numbers up. The world is interested in the Sussex’s and the media uses the Cambridge’s to vilify them otherwise, NO ONE CARES what they do! After the birth of baby Sussex and Meghan really disappears from the camera the Media will be LOST, mark my words!! Kate can’t fill the void of Meghan because she is BORING and one can only read about her clothes a few times before realizing there is NO SUBSTANCE just photo ops!!!
True. This alleged affair is the most excitement the public has had from the cambridges since the wedding, and even then Pippa and her nonexistent butt garnered more press.
@Guest…l have to agree, the Cambridge’s appeared on the surface to be the most boring of couples, and were upstaged at their own wedding by the maid of honour’s non existent bottom and Eugenie’s pantomime hat.
In a peculiar way l think that this episode is going to make William more interesting. What is he really like? What does he want? Where does he think he is going? Does he really think he can continue to preach about mental health and anti bullying after, if the rumours are true, putting his wife and others under so much strain?
Meghan is click bait right now for obvious reasons,and it’s not going to change anytime soon, but let’s not pretend that 99% of the stories about her are not about family drama,nonsensical protocol,her spending,alleged feuds with anyone,alleged palace sources,staff running from KP and various and assorted pre-wedding drama. Very little of her coverage is really about this “substance” you talk about.
Let’s be clear the British media’s Obession to “put Meghan in her place” is what has put the spotlight on the substance of her work. There hasn’t been one Royal who’s work has garnered more world wide attention since Diana, certainly not Kate. So to the British media keep doing you and to Meghan keep doing your good works…the results will speak for themselves!
Y’all know about Rose’s sister? I can’t be bothered to look up her name but she was with an aristo, broke up with him and married the dad. I think young aristo inherits the title when his dad dies. And apparently the ladies mom is a Mrs. Bennet.
Rose’s sister is Marina Hanbury. She married the Earl of Durham. It was ROSE who dated the son of the Earl of Durham before she married Marquess of Cholmondeley. ALSO, The family name is Cholmondeley NOT Rocksavage. Earl of Rocksavage is the courtesy title used by the the direct heir to the Marquess Cholmondeley. Rose’s eldest twin son is the current Earl of Rocksavage.
Fun fact–there is no “eldest” twin son. They were born through c-section. They chose the heir based on which one out of the two weighed more at the time of birth.
Awaiting the Vanity Fair story.
Totally
Sounds like fan fic. Why would the brothers fall out over this? Both have a long history of cheating rumors. Wasn’t the story that Kate told Chelseyto just ignore the cheating because it comes with the territory? C couldn’t.
Makes more sense than the idiocy on Blind Gossip.
What does Blind Gossip imply?
@Liriel it implied that William is the father of Meghan’s baby (🙄) but it’s widely believed to be an April Fool’s joke since they said the news will break tomorrow morning and apparently they do an April Fool’s post every year. Also, it is so completely ludicrous. I totally think it was a joke.
They do it every year. Usually it’s on actual April fools day then they solve it a few hours later. I guess it wasn’t fooling anyone anymore, so they dropped it days earlier this year.
My take: William has been bored with Kate for a long time. Harry and William had a falling out because William disapproved of the quickness of Meghan aka he was envious and Harry was disgusted by his advice because of this affair. Harry doesn’t get that he had more choices ultimately than William. William and Kate are not a fairy tale. Like Gavin and Gwen, one grows tired of the person who pedestals you.
I tend to agree, sad for the kids and l am surprised that William thought he was clever enough to risk doing what his father did. Remember that Charles told Diana that he was damned if he was going to be the first Prince of Wales not to have a mistress.
Also they always choose married women with children , much safer.
@PrincessK ITA and I think the reason William is so angry — if any of this is even true— is because he got caught. He probably thought he was smarter than Charles and would be able to pull it off.
I am always wondering what kind of man you have to be to cheat on someone while you have with three little kids at home. I am sorry but I am literally allergic to cheaters. And what kind of dormant you have to be to sit at home with three kids, KNOW that your husband is ….. someone else, and just be cool with that. I don’t understand their dynamic. Kate seems like a complete idiot. At least I really hope that she cheats on him as well.
Charles once told Diana that he wasn’t going to be the only King in the history of the Royal Family to not have a mistress. William being most arrogant might just feel the same way.
Kate reporetedly told Chelsy Davy that if she married Harry, that he will cheat, that it comes with the territory and that’s what truly turned her off to it! If true,Kate is well aware of the arrangement. She has very low self esteem IMO and it is evident in how she carries herself, remains underweight etc. I have a 32 year old friend similar..gets botox and lip injections regularly and is horrified at the prospect at being 120 lbs. She is 100lbs and refuses to eat in front of others.
They may have had an affair before they were married, but I really can’t see him doing that to Kate and his children given what his mother and the rest of his family went thru because of his father’s affair. That damn near destroyed his mother.
People often repeat the mistakes of their parents – even when they swear (and want) to be different.
Honestly, why no one here is “poor Kate”. If Rose and William had an affair, phasing Rose out is a natural step. Royal circles are supposed to be discreet and if Rose spelt anything than Kate was humiliated. No one forces you to stay in a marriage but some couple choose to overcome infidelity. Not to mention she has 3 kids with William and it’s a pr nightmare.
I really feel sorry for Kate because no one deserves that. Especially not for not working as much as she could.
@Liriel I absolutely feel sorry for Kate too! Whether it’s true or not, it’s out there, and it must be so humiliating.
If William wasn’t such a arrogant spoiled brat who think that he more clever than the press he would have know to let this story go the first time around. Instead he throw a tantrum and got the Middleton friend Richard Kay to write a unhinged article throwing his pregnant sister in law under the bus after months of Meghan getting nothing but abuse by the British royal reporters for just existing and now the Cambridge stans are coming up with conspiracy theories to blame Meghan and Harry for William stupidity. The royal reporters on twitter has so much shit to say about Meghan yet this story about supposedly affair is being whitewashed and ignored by them all because they rather tormented and racial bully a pregnant woman instead . How is fair that this William story gets to be bury by William threatening to sue but for close to a year Meghan has been viciously bully by the British media for just doing her job as members of the royal family. it’s not right that Kensington palace and William threatened legal action about this story but kept their mouths shut when the press went absolutely berserk on Meghan daily the press used Meghan as a punching bag or vehicle to unleash all their racists disgusting behavior and disguise as royal commentary. And for all the people and the Cambridge stans who love to shout for the rooftops that William and Kate follow the royal code of ethics of never ever complaining or explaining themselves to press because that so gauche and so American or so Hollywood here you have people your precious oh so perfect future queen and king threatening to sue people making articles go away And throwing Meghan and Harry under the bus again. So next time people went to go after Meghan for allowing her friends to tell her story after close to a year of the British media full on abusing her with whipping up racist hateful campaign against her for nothing . Just remember that William and Kate use their full power to make this story go away so if and when Meghan and Harry decide that enough is enough with the royal reporters and the British press and they feel fight back I don’t want heard for the Kate stans she and William would never because they did .
The answer is simp!y…… To acknowledge William’s short comings to the British Media is to destroy the narrative that they have built of the Cambridges the moment Harry met Meghan. They will stay the couse , William will cheat again and Kate will keep the stiff upper lip…… and Meghan will continue to be the target. The Brits will hate her but the world will love her. Harry will adore her because he will know the truth. By the way Kate spent years waiting for William. She didn’t work she did nothing but wait for the ring….Now that’s sad
I think this is the reason for the latest round of nastiness for Meghan:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6869811/Viral-Twitter-campaign-encourages-Meghans-fans-celebrate-baby-Sussex-support-charities.html
This campaign is getting global support and the chosen charities are getting inudated with donations. The critics and the trolls are upset their hit pieces aren’t working. Let them be stressed and pressed.
@Aquarius, yes! A few days ago, Cambridge fans were mocking the global baby shower but then it became so successful, even outlets like Glamour magazine and Bazaar covered it, in addition to Omid. So they’re feeling very stupid and bitter at the moment.
I can’t imagine hating a famous stranger more than I like charity. What kind of people MOCK giving money to support the less fortunate? I’m guessing these basement dwellers have never helped anyone in need or given a cent in their lives.
What a great idea, it seems as though people like holding baby showers for Meghan , the one in Boca and now this.
Man the Charties must be loving the Donations, that came out of the blue.
People forget that she had thee million followers on Instagram.
Piers Morgan is going to be spitting nails on Monday, LOL.
Another wrinkle in Turnip gate – William may have a fourth child as Kate talked about a fourth baby. Subtle shade?
Lord the last thing they need is to pop out another baby. I remember the crap when William said there were to many people in the world. But I guess he was talking about the people in Africa 😑
If William is cheating hopefully kate would have more respect for herself and kids to not bring another innocent child into that mess
Nope I meant one born on the wrong side of the blanket.
You were at my wedding, Denise.
+1
(FYI Denise got fired from the Federalist for a homophobic rant on twitter yesterday. Couldn’t happen to a nicer person. )
I believe it.
The timing of the attacks on Meghan by multiple Royal reporters felt coordinated. The ones who participated when Cambridge ass kissers while those who stayed out were either Team Sussex or neutral. We all said here that the Cambridges were behind this and now we know why.
I don’t know if William cheated with Rose but we all know he cheats. He famously did so in Swirzerland in 2017 and we were greeted by Prince Louis a few short months later. He’s gotten messy but the media covered for him. I think Rose knows who or it might even be her but I think the rumors were starting to spread in their circle and it was a matter of time before it got out: hence we have the Meghan slander after the Australian tour.
No one addresses that The Queen and Charles moved Harry and Meghan from under KP far sooner than what all thought. I don’t think it has anything to do with him becoming of the POW soon but everything to do with Harry being completely done with his shit. He had to sit back and watch his pregnant wife be dragged in the media knowing that it was to cover Williams shit. That creates a lot of issues and Harry probably holds some resent for how he would be thrown under the bus. I’m sure it hurt him to his core to have his wife be subject to that. The Queen and Charles stepped in and removed that punching bag.
Notice how this leaked after it was announced they were leaving KP and Meghan went on maternity leave and Harry is slowing down in preparations for the baby. William doesn’t have a scapegoat anymore. He can’t thrown Meghan under the bus like they did before now that it clear The Queen and Charles are involved.
Nicole clearly knows something because I don’t think she would put this out here with some actual tea in it. Others added onto the thread about the rumors and she’s the first to publicly talk about the banker William cheated with.
I expect a baby number four or a lot of Cambridge family news and pictures. Williams and Kates marriage has never been what the media said. They look for the smallest thing to attack the Sussex marriage on but the truth is, they truly love one another and have fought hard for their relationship.
“Nicole clearly knows something because I don’t think she would put this out here with some actual tea in it. Others added onto the thread about the rumors and she’s the first to publicly talk about the banker William cheated with.”
It looks clear to me that she’s just speculating for the sake of it,and to be fair,while her tweets look more like sh1t stirring than anything else,she’s not claiming to have any source,which is something that would be be very unlikely in any case. I think there’re very few people in the British media who would have first hand knowledge of what is going on in these Norfolk aristo circles,and certainly a writer based in Utah isn’t one of them.
Maybe I’m missing something,was “the banker” a well-known rumor going around and it’s somewhat controversial that finally someine acknowledged it? LOL No,because that DM looks like something sent by an avid royal watcher who favors the other couple,lol. I’ve happened to see rumors about William cheating with a lawyer coming from the Sussexes’ “fans”,and this sounds like a variation on that,or maybe someone has confused the lawyer with the banker.. Please,that stuff isn’t believable in the least.
I see some real thirst to make this cheating scandal-non story happen..
I’m sure Harry couldn’t care less about Kate being cheated and I can’t see William “confessing” anything to his brother. This is some type of A-level fanfiction.
If they had some problems it’s all about their position in the family. It’s a boring explanation,but it’s the logical one.
Even the split of their “offices” was also going to happen. M&H already have their own staff but their collaborators are going to leave in any case,and even if they had remained at KP,as it was probably initially planned, it would have been a temporary arrangement. I totally believe that H&M wanted more indipendence when they went for a permanent planning,but I really think it stopped there. I don’t see any fight,people running from KP,KP celebrating the split,and so on.
And,again,I really don’t understand this thing that William “ran to Richard Kay” because he was scared and had to throw the Sussexes under the bus. As if these royal commentators have not learned by now what rile up haters and stans and need to be told by William to involve his brother and wife in their stories.Their pieces are literally written with their target in mind.. lol
And evidently Richard Kay doesn’t like them (as he doesn’t like William),so it was just an opportunity to be snarky once again.
That piece is also the opposite of what William would have asked if he had something to hide.
It looks to me that he wrote it to draw attention to a story that was ignored a week before,and in fact some parts were obviously written to fuel other gossip with the most obvious conclusions ,including the fact that they threatened,it’s not clear whom,with legal action,which is another bit of speculation that has zero evidence and that is being used as a fact by some people.
Do the Cambridges have mouthpieces at Forbes too? I’ve read above that they have written and immediately deleted another unflattering piece about Meghan,so clearly she has people who work for her too.
About that twitter thread,even if Nicole Cliffe admitts that she’s just speculating for the sake of it,and obviously she doesn’t have any source,and to be fair she’s not claiming to have them,it wasn’t really smart on her part to conclude with “I’m team Meghan” and if she’s getting bashed in the press,send me emails and DMs (does she have any idea of what she’s going to get? lol) so I can contribute to throw the Cambridges under the bus too!
Evidently she doesn’t really know the target of her “funny” speculation.. I already see conspiracy theories about Meghan’s PR camp planting tweets and rumors,as it was predictable.
@ V: “And evidently Richard Kay doesn’t like them (as he doesn’t like William),so it was just an opportunity to be snarky once again.”
Is their anybody that Richard Kay REALLY ACTUALLY likes? LOL! LOL!
For me what I find the strangest is that Rose is supposed to be the most beguiling beauty who was a model.
And yet I look at the photos and Kate looks a million times more beautiful.
@Ellie ITA, I think they look similar but Kate is much prettier. I know that cheating isn’t at all about looks, but Kate is beautiful and Rose is, IMO, average.
See, I think Rose is striking; she has interesting features. Kate looks like a bunch of Midwestern girls/women you see at the mall on any given day.
Rose has a less conventional look, more of a high fashion aesthetic. Check out some of her magazine shoots.
Cholmondeley does not have that much money. 60 million pounds, mostly in inherited land/houses. His predecessors were selling off art to pay taxes. The properties require millions in upkeep.
Posters keep going on about this Marquess of Cholmondeley dude but I cannot find any dirt or tea on him via google?
It’s interesting how now some of “I like both Duchesses” camp or Kate fans had no problem with the Meghan stories or her family members abusing her and are now AGHAST at people merely speculating about the Cambridges private lives because THESE ARE REAL FAMILIES WITH YOUNG CHILDREN INVOLVED.
Is it distasteful to discuss the state of people’s marriages? Sure. But I wonder if an ounce of this consideration’s been shown for other celebrities’ possible indiscretions? In that case, what makes the royals’ family lives more sacred than Will and Jada Pinkett Smiths’? The Beckhams’? The Kardashians’?
I think everyone can agree that at the very least, something is up because the PR shenanigans have been even more bizarre than usual. Who knows if it’s an affair? What’s more interesting to me than whether W had an affair is what the PR strategy is going to be, how KP will try to spin or deflect from this, and the creative new ways this will become #Meghan’sFault. Because now whatever happens next, people will read into anything they do, whether it’s fair to do so or not.
I have to ask–what would Harry and Meghan knowing about the affair have to do with William feuding with them? Like, why would he hold it against them that they caught wind of the gossip about the affair between him and Rose Hanbury? It makes no sense to me that this is the heart of the whole Cambridge-Sussex feud, unless there’s a great deal more to it than what we already know. I don’t think Harry is the sort of person to moralize to his brother about this type of thing, considering his own behaviour in the past, and the sort of behaviour he’ll have become familiar with as part of the posh crowd himself. Infidelity is not a big deal for these folks, until it is. I’m not saying Harry is okay with cheating, but I think he has a bigger ability to shrug his shoulders at it given just how prevalent it is among this crowd (seriously).