Prince William ran to Richard Kay to gaslight Prince Harry over Sussexit

Britain's Prince William, Duke of Cambridge (R) and Britain's Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex,  host a reception to officially open the 2018 Illegal Wildlife Trade Conference at St James' Palace in London on October 10, 2018. - The 2018 Illegal Wildlife Trade Conference is the fourth such international conference bringing together heads of state, ministers and officials from nearly 80 countries, alongside NGOs, academics and businesses, to build on previous efforts to tackle this lucrative criminal trade. The conference is being hosted by the UK Government from 11th – 12th October 2018.

Last year, the Rose Hanbury-Duchess of Cambridge story was broken by the Sun. The Sun cryptically revealed that there was drama amongst the turnips, that Kate had – seemingly out of nowhere – fallen out with the Marchioness of Cholmondeley, Rose Hanbury, and that Kate was trying to “phase out” Rose from their Turnip Toff society. This was the infamous “rural rival” story. Not even a day later, Richard Kay at the Daily Mail had the weirdest “denial” follow-up. It was clear from that piece that Prince William had gone to Kay to shut down the rumors about Rose and then push the bizarre “none of this matters because Kate has never put a foot wrong, UNLIKE MEGHAN” version. Deflection, thy name is Willnot.

I bring this up because the timeline was clear and obvious: something shady about the Cambridges happens, William runs to a “friendly” journalist to deflect and tell “his side” of things. Well, in the wake of SUSSEXIT, William did the same. He even ran to the same journo, Richard Kay. This Daily Mail piece is a textbook example of an abuser’s gaslighting, or at least that’s the way it read to me. You can read the full piece here. The gist of it is that everything is Meghan’s fault, Kate is perfect and all Harry needs to do is dump his black, political wife and marry a doormat and then everything will be fine between the brothers.

It’s all Meghan’s fault: Perhaps it was too much to expect two very different boys with two very different wives to forge a lifelong alliance. And perhaps it is too easy to blame American Meghan for heading off with Harry away from palace life into the sunset. And yet it seems just a moment ago that Harry was as close to Kate as he was to William, a warm-hearted trio delighting the world. The two princes are, of course, hardly the first husbands whose close friendship was split by wives who simply didn’t get on.

Meghan “dominated”: This became clear on one occasion when the ‘fab four’ of William, Kate, Meghan and Harry were on stage promoting their Heads Together mental welfare charity, and the Duchess of Sussex naturally dominated the microphone. Even then, some detected an air of discomfort about William and Kate. Here was a young woman making it plain that her new royal status was something to be used so that her voice could be heard — an unknown philosophy in royal life. At that moment the silent Kate beside her looked almost dull. In truth, all Kate was doing was following a protocol that has kept the royal family in business for generations.

The only thing William did was ask Harry if he was sure about Meghan: Yet there was already a tiny crack in the brotherly relationship. William is understood to have questioned his younger brother about the hastiness of his engagement to the television actress he’d known only for months. He and Kate were together eight years before he put a ring on her finger — a state of affairs which, it must be said, also attracted widespread comment. But William has long been the wiser and more cautious brother. He heeded his mother Princess Diana’s advice to marry a girl he knew well. Ruefully, she explained to him that when she had married his father, Prince Charles, ‘we hardly knew each other’. As usual, William was looking out for his kid brother, just as he always did at school and during the difficult time after Diana’s death. But Harry, besotted with worldly divorcee Meghan, didn’t welcome this guidance, and the brothers’ relationship soured when words were exchanged between Kate and bride-to-be Meghan over the dress Princess Charlotte, now four, would wear as a bridesmaid.

Meghan & Harry are being blamed for their own exile: Even so, palace life might have jogged along well enough had Harry and Meghan not taken the surprising decision to remove themselves from the centre of public life in London and decamp to Windsor. Harry’s greatest dream was about to be realised: Meghan was pregnant.

William trying to emotionally manipulate Harry using their mother: For William, meanwhile, there is profound sadness that he knows his mother would have shared. In Harry he had what he saw as a lifelong ally, a younger brother whose good nature and joviality provided elements of fun at times when he, as heir in line to the throne, had to be dignified. But Harry also provided the kind of unflinching advice on which a future monarch relies. They were always there for each other. It does seem extraordinary now that this mutually supporting togetherness has gone. Both brothers have always needed each other because both are single-minded and stubborn. At one stage, let’s not forget, it was William’s intransigence and grumpiness that was more of a worry in the family than Harry’s youthfully immature behaviour. But thanks to Kate’s calmness and level-headedness, as well as her respect for the Royal Family and her role within it, she has not only diffused any prospect of a William time-bomb, but created the sense of continuity crucial to the health of the monarchy.

[From The Daily Mail]

Let’s just clear up one or two things before they become part of this asinine false narrative about the Sussexes: William probably did question the suddenness of Harry’s engagement to Meghan, but that’s not THE REASON why the brothers fell out. They fell out because William spent years throwing Harry under the bus, and it got ten times worse after Harry married Meghan. William was the one who wanted them out of England. William was the one pushing negative stories about Meghan and her family to deflect from his rose-trimming and wandering scepter. William’s “blame Meghan for ruining this brotherly love” strategy is stupid, insulting and a giant part of why there’s a SUSSEXIT.

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  1. Bananas says:

    He is the worst.

    William is to Harry as Thomas is to Meghan, ha!

    And the UK press enables them both.

    • Lucy De Blois says:

      I also have a very “supportive” and “loving” Big Sister too. I recognize the type very well. Thanks.

    • Vava says:

      William is an awful piece of $hit, that’s for sure. And that narrative trying to make Kate sound like such a saint, give me a break. She’s almost as worthless as William is.
      Harry is smart to get the hell out.

      • Mrs.Krabapple says:

        Anyone want to bet that in the near future we’ll be getting stories about how Kate was the rock that steadied the royal family through this crisis that Harry and Meghan created? And that leading the royal family through this was such a drain on Kate that (1) it prevented her from launching any projects, and (2) she needs a vacation. Thanks Meghan, it’s your fault Kate couldn’t get her work done because she was busy steering the family through your mess.

      • Amy Too says:

        Mrs. Krabapple, I would not be the least bit surprised! I am positive that A LOT of the links that come out of KP go through Kate’s family. All of these stories that crap on Harry and Meghan specifically make Kate (not always William) look better. I think that Carole Middleton has maintained very close ties with the Daily Mail since the girlfriend days, and since Meghan has come on the scene and proved to be so popular, having info to leak about her has given the Middletons huge amounts of leverage to ask for whatever they want. And what they want is to embiggen Saint Kate. I expect there to be articles about how cruel Meghan and Harry ruined her birthday (on purpose!) and how brave and professionally perfect she was as she stoically set down her fork and announced while holding back tears that “the family firm is far more important than celebrating my birthday. I must go to them now,” before gently kissing her bewildered children goodbye, and taking one last look at the birthday cake she would never now get to taste, as she left her own party to deal with this crisis personally.

        I would also not be surprised if Kate either is right now or will soon be pregnant, to read articles that talk about how brave she was to deal with this huge scandal during her pregnancy when the stress might have harmed the baby. Because hypocrisy and double standards are the name of the game. No one was worried about Meghan during her pregnancy, but Kate will be seen as the most fragile special butterfly princess whom everyone is so worried about because she exerted herself beyond what anyone could have asked for to help heal the rift and personally restructure the monarchy after Harry and Meghan “went ballistic.” AND ON HER BIRTHDAY, TOO!

      • Lucy De Blois says:

        Mrs. Krabapple: No thanks. No one wants to bet. Even if it’s one dollar, it will be money put in the garbage: you will win easily.

    • Gia says:

      Totally agree. All these Will sympathizers painted Meg as “Yoko” are idiots. They want their ideal Harry and Will relationship to blossom. How many people would be actual friends with their siblings if it wasn’t for the family relation…? Definitely not everyone. Also Harry has told press he’s been wanting to leave the monarchy pre Meg (once in 2008 and again in 2015 and 2017). It’s been on his mind, I’m sure it’s been talked about.

    • BellaBella says:

      I just read the New Yorker’s take on the whole thing, written by Rebecca Mead, and whoa is it bitchy. Pretty much takes the Cambridge’s party line and denigrates both Harry and Megan.

      This sentence made me laugh: “The Sussexes may have hoped for a conscious uncoupling from the rest of the Windsors, but the drama of the breach was immediately symbolized by the removal of their wax likenesses from the Royal Family display at Madame Tussaud’s in London. (The couple are not to be melted down, just stationed elsewhere.)”

    • Curious2 says:

      I hear the narrative but is it all gossip? Conjecture? Supported in any evidence? I mean, if yes then please support comments with a link. I’ve looked and I’m not seeing why everyone seems to know this about William…

    • Kas says:

      William was a cold fish the minute Megan announced her pregnancy. He did NOT even show up when they introduced Archie to the Queen.

      Apparently, the petulant Child William expected Harry to disappear once William had children. A spare was no longer needed and Charles just as bad for not standing up for his own son.


  2. Belli says:

    I’m sure William does think Meghan dominates Harry.

    Because since he got married he’s not willing to be William’s doormat any more.

    • Bella DuPont says:

      Also, isn’t it interesting that there’s been no report at all of any interaction.or disagreements between Meghan + William directly? Yet, it’s clear that that’s where the real issue is (as far as I can see anyway).

      Until Meghan came along, they managed to maintain a delicate balance of sorts……and then a confident, self assured, experienced woman entires the mix and BOOOM!!! Everything explodes everywhere.

      William is and has always been threatened by Harry, but experience had taught them how to manage it. But with Meghan…….all bets are off.

      • Nic919 says:

        I don’t think Meghan would be confrontational with William. Her mere existence as an assertive woman is what bothers him. And the fact that Harry is now more assertive with Meghan supporting him gets him mad too.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        @ Nic919

        Absolutely. It sounds like they’ve never even had a proper conversation, not to mention a face off, but just the fact of Who she is and her substance, to me is at the root of the whole thing. Will can’t handle it.

      • Good point Bella. William has made sure to have this be about Meghan, Kate, Harry but never him. Good King William just trying to help all the little people in his life.

      • Blairski says:

        “Meghan, remember, had become accustomed to floating her views in public, on everything from climate change and human rights to clean water and gender equality. ” Like, say, a human might have an opinion?

      • Some chick says:

        @Blairski: I couldn’t agree more!

    • Effeff says:

      Yeah, seems like William, daddy, grandmammy and whoever else used to dominate Harry and then Megan came along and offered loving validation that freed him from that. William can only conceptualize the change as her being controlling.

  3. Jane says:

    Grrrr! I really hope they are ALL reading this post. It’s all so clear who is in the wrong here! I’m so proud of M and H for shaking up the monarchy!!!

  4. BabsORIG says:

    My goodness is William that thick? Why can’t the whole lot of them stop leaking their $hit to the media all over the place? Goodness, how is this continuous blabbing helping the situation? Ha, and the Camb stans keep harping on how dim Harry is, jeez. Harry seems to be the smartest of them all. He dropped his bombshell and sat back watching them all act like morons!! Jeez, Queenie, Charlie, Willy and all them stoopid courtiers, STOP. TALKING, just stop talking.

    • Belli says:

      The thing is, at the moment for William it’s working.

      Harry and Meghan are getting crucified by the press, but he and Kate are revered as one step away from sainthood.

      What he hasn’t realised is how quickly they’ll turn on him too if it suits them.

      • Sunshine says:

        Belli the press is very different from the people. Most of us are very clues in to what is happening.

      • Myrtle says:

        The New York Times had a very supportive article this morning. I hope H and M get a lot of support for choosing to work and gain more financial independence. The Royal Family itself may be desperate to hang on to ALL their wealth and position, but many many people in England (and around the world) consider them useless leeches. (I quite enjoy them, but I do take issue with all that concentrated wealth.) Is it not time for the world to evolve beyond monarchy and vast levels of income inequality? This exit—or shift / transition—feels symbolic on a greater level than the personal Sussexes themselves. Tectonic.

      • Sunshine says:

        I also worry that if William keeps this up, Harry may go nuclear. He has been very reserved thus far.

      • Royalwatcher says:

        I think you mean the tabloid press though. And they’ve been against Meghan since the start, so no change there. They were never going to support anything the Sussexes did. But I’ve seen several more legitimate news sources writing more measured or favorable pieces on this situation, not to mention random journalists speaking up on twitter or whatever.

        Myrtle – yes!!! I hope now some of the CW countries vote to leave after seeing how the first WOC to enter the family was treated and basically forced out. It’s funny how the Cambs next two engagements are all about POC. Such fakers 🙄🙄🙄🙄

      • ShazBot says:

        Royalwatcher – YES. It’s astounding to me how nobody considered the implications of this for keeping the commonwealth together.

      • Royalwatcher says:

        ShazBot – I honestly think they (QEII, Charles, Cambs) are so high on the smell of their own $hit that it wouldn’t even cross their minds to think about the repercussions of their own roles in this whole situation. They are so used to being yes-manned to death that they probably sincerely think their presence (even after bullying Meghan out of the family) means as much or more to the CW countries and people who reside there that they don’t think the Sussexes leaving will matter. I hope they are in for an extremely rude awakening!!!! I hope this is the beginning of the end of the BRF.

      • kerwood says:

        @Sunshine, you’re worried that HARRY will go nuclear? Because Harry’s the one to worry about here. When has Harry EVER attacked Keen Katie? When has he ever said a word against her? The last thing Harry said about his brother was that he loved him and would always support him.

        Harry isn’t the problem in this situation and it’s about time the Cambridge stans woke up and realized it.

      • grumpy says:

        W&K are awful and they will hate all of this because they are going to be further exposed as work-shy wasters. I think the public would be supportive of H&M if it wasn’t for the seeming to desire to keep titles, privilege and money whilst not working for it.

    • Bros says:

      Get a therapist William. That whole story felt like an hour on the couch.

      • Vava says:

        He’s probably beyond help at this point. He’s so full of himself and is surrounded by sycophants.

      • Lucy De Blois says:

        And a general doctor too. Or it’s a new protocol/fashion for the futur heir of the throne to sport two small potatoes on the cheeks? I wonder what the hell happened to him. There’s almost one year his cheeks look inflated from the outside.

    • Bros says:

      Get a therapist William. That whole story felt like an hour on the couch.

  5. Purplehazeforever says:

    It’s multiple things besides Prince William trying to bury a scandal. He might have questioned Prince Harry’s quick engagement but that’s not what caused this rift. It’s multiple things & he’s too self involved to see it. He also made some sort of deal with the tabloids about his family that were running all these negative & racist stories about his sister in law & he did nothing to stop it. Now Dan Wooten leaks stories to tabloids & his friendly with his press secretary? I always wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt because Prince Harry is his brother. But the evidence is piling up.

    • Mignionette says:

      Exactly. It’s becoming clearer by the day why Harry and Meghan felt they no longer had any other choice but to leave. This is beyond toxic.

    • The journalist who interviewed the Sussexes for their documentary, Tom Bra—-?, said during his ITV interview yesterday that the rift was very personal, very serious, that things had been said and done that he wasn’t sure could ever be healed. He said some of it couldn’t even be discussed for legal reasons. Makes you wonder doesn’t it just what the F*** William and that family has put both Harry and Meghan through ….and yet, it’s all Meghan’s fault.

      • Becks1 says:

        Yeah, I heard that and thought “ohhhhh snap.” Makes you wonder what was said behind the scenes. It had to be bad.

        I also circle back to – Harry found proof that William was behind the active smear campaign.

      • Nic919 says:

        There is a comment out there in the interwebs about someone’s sister talking to Keir Simmons and there is also a reference to legal implications that really have nothing to to with Harry and Meghan.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        @Nic919, I also saw that comment (retweeted by Kaiser) and was intrigued. The rift in question doesn’t involve the Sussexes or Andrew and it’s apparently quite ‘sinister’, as the commenter put it. Something sinister that doesn’t involve Andrew must be pretty damn bad. I can only guess that it’s probably a nasty battle between Charles and William or William and Kate/the Middletons. And that’s just assuming there are no parties outside of the BRF involved, which there very well could be. Whatever it is, I’m sure the common denominator must be William.

      • Becks1 says:

        Oh I haven’t seen that *scampers off to twitter*

        Okay I saw it. WHAT DOES IT MEAN. No Sussexes, no Andrew. William and Kate? Charles and William? Is it a fight over the PoW title? (like did William expect to be invested with it really soon after the queen dies, and Charles was like, nah?)

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        I think that at the core of the issues is the complete breakdown in the relationship between William and Harry with TQ and Charles not doing enough to mediate between them or support the Sussex’s.

        Charles has never had any influence over William and always caved in to him.

    • Mac says:

      I tend to think Wooten got lucky when he pulled the Canada story out of thin air and Harry and Meghan used as an opportunity to announce their decision. Charles and HM clearly intended to slow walk this for as long as possible.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Wooten pulled nothing out the air. He was fed pro-William info by the staffer in KP, likely with William’s urging.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        Nah, he’s close with the KP secretary Christian Jones. Dan has also consistently claimed that the Sussexes need to look internally (aka the Firm) rather than at the media. He’s made it obvious that the media is (partially) taking orders from other royal households.

      • Thea says:

        Lucky? He’s dating the Cambridge’s press sec.

    • February Pisces says:

      The evidence against William and Kate has been stacked so high it’s hard to ignore. Remember when Tatler named meghan their no.1 social climber, and the editor is William and Kate’s friend from Uni? Anyone who wants to deny it now are blatantly just being ignorant for the sake of it. I think even Cambridge stans know that are behind it too, but they don’t mind cos they feel just as insecure about meghans presence and don’t mind them ruining an innocent woman’s life. It’s worrying how much William wants to destroy harry, how far is he going to go.

      • Green Desert says:

        I forgot about the Tatler thing! Cambridge stans continue to baffle me. The evidence is piling up and I don’t think this is the end of it. I think some ugly stuff is going to come out about them.

        Gah, the BRF…they could have taken the opportunity to modernize the monarchy, enter the 21st century, with the progressive (for them) addition of a biracial woman who cares about things and wants to work to the family. But royal rota and Stepford Wives and “quiet dignity” are what they care about. No one wishes it were 1950 like the House of Windsor.

    • Wendy says:

      But it wasn’t even a quick engagement, Harry and Meghan dated for almost a year and a half before he proposed. I get that Diana told her boys to really KNOW the people they chose to marry, but that obviously came from her VERY negative experience of marrying someone with whom she spent about as much time pre-wedding as the winning contestant does with the lead on The Bachelor. That’s an abnormal situation, and honestly, so is dating a woman for 8 years and breaking up with her at least once before deciding you want to propose. Dating for a little over a year, including a couple of travel experiences together, and then getting engaged, and then a marriage within a year, is pretty damn normal.

      So if William truly did protest at the speed of his brother’s courtship, that’s just another indicator in a long list of indicators that he’s not got a great grasp on reality.

  6. Becks1 says:

    OMG, so much gaslighting here. Meghan dared to use her royal status so her voice could be heard??? Isnt that part of what royals….do? Its not like Charles never has an opinion or pushes for his pet causes. And she didn’t make Kate look “almost” dull, she made her look dull and even lazier than before.

    And again, lol at the narrative that Will, Harry and Kate were as close as could be. I just don’t think that was ever true. Sure, Kate and Harry seemed to get along, and I don’t think he had bad feelings towards her, but I don’t think Kate was the surrogate mother figure to Harry like many have said.

    Finally – Yes, I think Diana would be sad at the relationship between Harry and William. But I think she would 100% be on Harry’s side here.

    • ChillyWilly says:

      Yean, Meg “dominated” by actually having opinions and a voice of her own and the confidence and poise to articulate her opinions. So much racist and sexist bullcrap.

    • JaneBee says:

      If Harry never met Meghan, yet Bill still got on with some rose bush trimming despite his marriage and three children, do we honestly believe that everything would still be peachy between the three of them???

      That Harry would be like, cool mate, I’m apparently best mates with Cathy, but I’ve got your back. Next we’ll be hearing that if Meghan had never appeared on the scene, then poor Bill never would have become so distressed that he had to spend some time with his Norfolk neighbour in the first place.

      • Royalwatcher says:

        I honestly don’t think Harry cared that much about William’s cheating – because that’s who he’s always been!! And I would imagine that Harry knew Kate also knew who William was in that respect. So, I don’t think if Harry hadn’t married that their relationship would’ve deteriorated just because of the cheating.

        IMO, the cheating really had nothing to do with it (except maybe in William’s mind so he didn’t have to take responsibility for his treatment of Meghan!!). It deteriorated because the way William treated Harry’s wife, particularly after Harry was so welcoming to Kate when she joined the family. I think it was only normal that he would expect the same to be done for his wife but instead it was knives out and targeted right at Meghan…from the very brother even William admits (per this article) that Harry had supported his entire life!

      • lara (the other) says:

        The thing is, Meghan did not voice any controversial or political opinions (except one semi-private pro-choice sentence).
        They are trying to paint her as an political activist who did not play by the rules to justify throwing her under the bus.
        I think we should remember, she played by the rules. Only the goalposts were moved.
        And now he even throws his on wife under the bus and, that the problem was between Kate and Meghan and not is over inflated ego. What an a***hole.

      • Becks1 says:

        @lara – what a good way to put it. “She played by the rules, only the goalposts were moved.” EXACTLY.

      • Tourmaline says:

        @lara, Meghan simply calling herself a feminist counts a political activism with some of the commentators determined to denigrate her. Dan Wootton comments darkly in his articles that Meghan is friendly with American DEMOCRATS such as the Clintons and Obamas as if that is some sinister fact. When the Sussexes talk about the environment to this audience it is Insulted as hypocritical woke lecturing, but when William or Charles does it not a ripple of protest. She couldn’t win.

      • Nic919 says:

        Kate was the only royal woman that was this silent. Sophie gives speeches and so does Anne and they don’t look like dullards because they are prepared for their engagements. No one could be the silent mannequin like Kate so blaming Meghan for not being silent and talking at a conference is just dumb and unfair.

        And if it was true that Kate had an issue with the bridesmaid dress for Charlotte, then she’s just being selfish. It’s the bride’s day and it’s up to her to decide what the bridesmaids wear. Besides the outfits were cute and not as weird looking as the stuff Pippa made the kids wear. Again, if this part is true Kate was in the wrong here.

        At the end of the day William just doesn’t like a woman with intelligence and spirit. How come meghan got along fine with the 93 year old Queen who was raised in a more conservative time but not William born in 82 and basically the same age? The problem is with him.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        @Janebee I’m of the personal opinion that Harry wouldn’t have cared much because it wasn’t any of his business (and I doubt the “three musketeers” were as close as the media loved to claim). Even now I think he would only care about his brother’s infidelity because Meghan was dragged in as collateral damage to cover it up.

      • candykat says:

        It’s just another example of strong women being beaten down by easily threatened men (and women, sadly.) Yes this story is about racism but it’s also about jingoism and straight-up misogyny. It’s how we got Trump, and how you got Boris, and how we all got screwed.

      • Some chick says:

        +1 Candy. Totally. Hopefully we can dig ourselves out before too long!

    • Article yesterday hammered Harry about thinking if he broke away he could start going on more about such issues as climate change and the environment. And yet because he is royal he needs to keep his mouth shut as those are seen by many as POLITICAL issues and the royals do not speak about political issues. Author went on to state Harry needed to be more apolitical and a proper royal like William. Haven’t we just had article after article about William rolling out his — NOBEL level — prize re environment and articles about William and Charles teaming on this wonderful cause. The author of article doesn’t mention any of that. Do these reporters think we’ve all “drunk the kool aid” and will buy anything they say?

    • February Pisces says:

      To be honest I never thought Harry thought that much of Kate. Didn’t he used to call her ‘limpet’ because of how dependent she was on William? I also think he’s always hated the middletons. Didn’t they once try to leak a made up story how harry and pippa were dating? He got so furious that he had to issue a public denial. you know he’s mad if he’s issuing public denials, he did that after the ‘straight out of compton’ story. Poor Pippa , talk about the ultimate rejection lol. I don’t think he invited then the the reception part of his wedding. Having said that, harry never publically trashed her or leak stories on her ever, he always publically supported them.

      • wellsie says:

        February Pisces – Hey, yeah, I remember that! There was probably snark going both ways, although Will took it to the next level.

      • Marie says:

        I agree February Pisces. I have heard the same thing about Harry not really liking Kate but he was supportive and nice to her after the wedding. He wanted her to feel welcome. And no, the Middletons were not invited to the evening reception.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Lets not forget that when W&K got engaged Harry said he was looking forward to getting to know Kate – that says it all.

    • Derriere says:

      Kate just never had a chance to raise her voice after almost a decade because…protocol…Truly laughable.

  7. JaneBee says:

    Genuine question: what exactly was Bill thinking/hoping to achieve in authorising his press officer to leak the moving to Canada story to Dan Wootton, the press officer’s friend (partner? unsure if this has been confirmed)? In all seriousness? That H&M would be bullied into calling off the move and maintaining the status quo? Did Bill actually want to push them over the edge and ensure the move went ahead? I’m at a total loss trying to work out his logic.

    • Livvers says:

      I wonder if it was a sort of threat, “I can make it look like you left voluntarily, or I can make it look like you are being exiled. Now stop making waves, _I_ control the story.” But of course he’s incompetent, so none of it went down the way Bill wanted it to. Now he looks incompetent in front of all the royal insiders, courtiers, his father and grandmother. Hence the “just trying to be a big brother to an ungrateful hothead and his Lady MacBeth!” story he’s peddling now.

    • Guest2.0 says:

      My theory is that William wanted to control the narrative around the Sussexes leaving. He didn’t want it to seem that the Sussexes were choosing to leave, but rather that he, William, future, future King was exiling them.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        Control is what it all boils down to – when Harry got married William lost control of him and his life. William is a control freak and very competitive over media attention with the rest of the family – he has not reacted well to Harry marrying someone who has a mind of her own.

        William will reap what he’s sown and his marriage and children will suffer for it.

      • Tourmaline says:

        I don’t even think it was a matter of making it look like an exile but the part you said about controlling the narrative is the key. If Wootton had the story that relocation to Canada was imminent then the Sussexes couldn’t have the first word on it and to counter that they decided to fully announce it now. Wootton was in the know since at least late December first asking BP Sussex office for comment Dec 28 and then splashes the headline on the Sun for Wednesday morning.

    • Bella DuPont says:

      I also think he was hoping to poison the well, as it were. And he’s succeeded. Now, there’s a lack of trust on all sides, chaos, bitterness on all sides, while he gets to stand on the sidelines, looking like the level headed, serene one.

      The guy honestly, is a manipulative bastard. He is absolutely determined to ruin things for M + H because he can’t stand the thought of Harry ever rising above his station to equaling or maybe even surpassing him (heaven forfend!) in any endeavors.

    • I think William wanted exactly what he got — a media shit storm raining down on BOTH Harry and Meghan. I think William has a scorched earth mentality and in the short term he has “won” his war with them. Hell he’s even got it so we have everyone coming unglued about how stupid Harry has mistreated his poor old grannie. Sad thing is, nobody wins in war and when the fog of it lifts, I pray the Sussexes are living their best lives.

      • Derriere says:

        I think you’re right. He seems like one of those cowardly, sad privileged men who need a “war” to win no matter how stupid and trivial. He hasn’t won anything besides goodwill he could have built up by doing actual work. Instead, it is PR wars and cheating scandals. Notice how reactive and available for comment the royals are NOW, but they never were available for H&M when they were getting the worst treatment from the media.

    • Amy Too says:

      This was a juicy piece of gossip that would have meant that the press would have owed William and Kate. I don’t think William thought it would actually all blow up and lead to the Sussexes immediately announcing their plans and making everyone look bad. He probably hoped it would give the media something to drip drip drip about for several weeks, and if they could get several weeks of stories out of it, then that would mean William would be off the hook for several weeks. He wouldn’t have to provide new leaks for awhile, he wouldn’t have to parade his kids around, he wouldn’t have to play happy families with Kate, he could vacation in peace, the pressure and attention would be off him for weeks so he could go do whatever it is that William does that needs to be kept secret. Rose, living separately from Kate, being an all around lazy asshole who doesn’t work, taking his helicopter around after just launching an environmental initiative?

      Or maybe this was payment on his part for the media covering something up recently for him. Shrug-gate, looking miserable at Christmas, the Middletons spending Christmas away from the Cambs, Rose being at church, Will and Kate are the “new look charles and diana”—all of these things were being reported almost as if the media was laying the groundwork for a big story reveal. Will may have racked up a large bill with the media and hoped that he could pay it off in full with one extra huge story.

  8. ChillyWilly says:

    I’m pretty sure if Diana were still alive she would be very supportive and understand Harry and Meghan’s decisions.
    I love how this article makes it seem like Harry should just hang around and entertain Bill like some court jester. Ridiculous.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      IMHO, If Diana was still alive the situation would not have become what is has become.

      • grumpy says:

        If Di was alive there would be no Kate Middleton for a start so everything would be different. William would still be spoilt because Di enabled that.

      • notasugarhere says:

        There was still hope for William to turn himself around, but instead he fell prey to the Middletons. A family desperate for social status, who would spoil and enable his laziness and petulance even more than the royal family.

    • Beatles says:

      If Diana were alive I think she wouldn’t even be speaking to William any longer, with as much of viperous jerk he’s turned into and with the cheating. Cheating on not just a wife but a family of 3 kids despite his own childhood experiences. What a special kind of louse.

      Diana would be no contact with Willy for turning out exactly like his awful father.

  9. S808 says:

    Yeah I know some people think it’s jealousy of their marriage (which it could be) but I think W’s real problem is that he feels that if Harry hadn’t met/married Megan, Harry would’ve stayed to be the resident black sheep always on standby to sacrificed. In his eyes Megan messed up the plan. Megan may have opened H’s eyes to some truth (and probably confirmed some shit he knew) and motivated him to seek better. I think W doesn’t realize his shit stinks so to him M may be manipulating H and driving a wedge between them.

    • ChillyWilly says:

      Yep, I keep remembering Meg saying that the goal of life should be not just to survive but to THRIVE. She’s right, and Harry wants to live by that motto as well.

      • candykat says:

        As someone who’s lived in both countries, I can say that we as Americans don’t quite understand the British “tall poppy” syndrome. (Tall poppies get cut off. Don’t rise above your station, whether that means class/race or simply unasked-for attention.) And the British don’t quite understand the American rebellious and populist “sunflower!” syndrome (Grow tall! Toward the sun! Whatever it takes! You’ve got this!) Tall-Poppy Syndrome leads to inbred aristocrats, and Sunflower Syndrome leads to the Kardashians. It’s not that one or the other is better, some happy medium is where we should land, but humans are resistant to compromise. So here we are.

    • Becks1 says:

      I definitely think this is a large part of it. Honestly, I think Harry may have been okay staying the resident black sheep on standby, but when the focus shifted to Meghan as the sacrificial lamb, Harry said NOPE. And I agree that I think Meghan made him realize he shouldn’t have to be the sacrificial lamb either.

      • S808 says:

        I can only imagine William was like: “It was supposed to be me and you and our doormat wives Harry what are you doing??”

      • Erinn says:


      • truthSF says:

        Harry wanted to leave years before he even met Meghan, and only stayed because the queen asked him to! So for us to think that he was ok with being the black sheep on standby is utter bullsh!t! The difference for him now is that he absolutely refuses to stand back and watch his family be treated just as bad, and worse than he was ever treated. He couldn’t protect his mother, but you better believe he will do everything in his power to protect his wife and child(ren)!

      • Becks1 says:

        @Truth – he may not have been “okay” with it -but he was “willing” to play that part, even if it was just bc the queen asked. I agree with you about the treatment of his family, I said something similar.

      • I don’t think he was fine though; I think he was struggling. The drinking, hard partying, etc., I think meeting and falling in love with Meghan was exactly what Harry himself has said — a lifesaver for him. I think the love they have has strengthened , calmed, and focused him. If William truly loved Harry he should than God that he has such a wonderful love with Meghan.

      • notasugarhere says:

        The Army was the making of him, that’s what straightened him out. That was long before Meghan. She’s the one who gave him the ability to see how abusive his family is.

    • windyriver says:

      I agree with the above, but also, have said before, William never planned to work the way his father and other family members work. He expected Harry would follow his lead – sure, he had his little projects, Invictus, etc. But once Harry met Meghan – remember, they connected on their first dates over things they wanted to do – it was clear Harry wasn’t on board with that anymore. And on top of that, with Meghan, Harry really became an energizing force.

      What’s so dumb is they clearly became an energizing force that, for a brief moment, lifted the image of the whole family. As others have said, that could have continued, if played a different way. Harry’s not interested in challenging Will’s position as heir and I’m sure would have worked to support him.

      Not sure what Charles’ plans are/were, but the monarchy is going to be slimmed down, by dropping patronages and engagements. Andrew is already out of the picture; even if he comes back, smart organizations will still stay away. No way Will and Kate are the least bit interested in picking up the slack as other members get older.

      I feel a tiny bit sorry for Charles. He has quite a legacy as the POW. He must know in his heart that William will contribute nothing of substance during his reign, should the monarchy get that far. But hey, Charles had choices to make, and this is what he gets to live with.

      • bibbyslaw says:

        The slimmed down monarchy angle makes a lot of sense to me, and I don’t understand why the mainstream British media doesn’t think so, too. If Charles ascends and wants both his sons working for him, ok. But when William ascends, Harry may have less to do. And then he’s pushing 50 and has no job prospects. It would be a challenge to kick start a career at that stage in his life having done mostly ceremonial and guided patronage work until then. My two cents.

      • SIPNBUBBLY says:

        Agreed. Like I said in another post, Will & Kate are not going to be increasing their workload. Patronages will be dropped as Royals age and the number of engagements will dwindle over time. By the time William takes the throne, the Monarchy will be a shadow of its former self.

      • Until William threw his tantrum and started all this, Charles was quoted as wanting Harry and Meghan very much a part of his reign. He referred to the slimmed down monarchy as him, his sons and their families.

      • candykat says:

        I feel more than a tiny bit sorry for Charles. He’s an emotional nitwit, yes, but his early experience of parental neglect was not his fault. He seems to be the only one in the family or wider social circle (sans H&M) with an ounce of intellect or originality. He should have welcomed H&M into his tribe, but he was never given any emotional model of how to do that, and so he couldn’t. I maintain my position that this is a Shakespearean tragedy.

    • February Pisces says:

      The early lipstick alley threads are very interesting and used to have some people on there spilling legit tea. These threads started a few years before Meghan. Basically back then there was talk of williams insecurity around harry and how often he belittles him. Harry back then has a mystery girlfriend (before Cressida) who was described a Black girl from a wealthy family who wasn’t Meghan. Everyone was in disbelief about him being with a black woman then. Anyway this girlfriend once called William out on his bullshit getting into an argument with him about the way he treated Harry. I think she tried to reassure harry that he was a man of worth. Anyway William, harry and Kate seemed to have tensions back then, years before Meghan.

      • What. . .now? says:

        So very interesting! But not suprising. Remember last year or something, a picture of Harry in his dorm room at school was posted (maybe even here at Celebitchy) — he was in his early to mid teens – had a poster of Halle Berry over his bed. Even Halle called him out: “I see you Prince Harry!!!”. . . So Harry has always found women of color attractive, Meghan is not a one off in that respect.

      • Eugh says:

        Lainey years and years ago also mentioned he publicly (at the time) dated the blonde socialites and down-low liked black girls

      • Lucy says:

        I remember the Lainey mention too! It was random at the time (easily 7+ years ago), but it continues to confirm she gets real tea

    • morrigan01 says:

      Someone said in another post here that everyone knows Harry always wanted out of the Royal Family but was convinced to stay. I think that was because back then (around 2007 or so) he didn’t have any real plan on how leaving would work. So the courtiers and William and his grandmother and whomever else were able to talk him into staying and putting up with everything.

      Then he meets, falls in love and marries Meghan, the smear campaign against her is coming from inside the house (his family) after he naively thought *they* would be the family she never had. His eyes are fully open to the the railroading and gaslighting he’s probably been getting most of his adult life from these people. He wants to leave, only THIS time he has Meghan by his side who says “oh we can totally leave babe, we can make this happen” and starts showing how to make the plans that he never figured out how to before.

      See, the big miscalculation people always had about Meghan is that she would be enamored with the titles and such. That is why many people – especially among the Royal Reporters – were pushing Harry to get with Cressida. And English girl who grew up part of that whole British aristo set and wouldn’t likely ever want to leave it. If Harry had married Cressida, he never would have found the strength of will to leave and find a way to do it.

      Again, as I’ve said before, Meghan is American. She doesn’t care one wit about the titles or that Aristo set. She yeah, she’d be totally cool with leaving, especially her own and her husband’s mental health. (Looks as if toxic families is something else Meghan and Harry have in common). They were giving Harry the runaround when he tried talking about the plan to leave, probably just like they did when he wanted to leave back in 2007. They thought they could stall him out again and in doing so wear his resolve down and then convince him to stay. Only this time it didn’t work. When the news leaked, Harry was smart to the game now and fired off, and now here we are.

      Royal Reports and the Royal Family are forever blindsided by the moves that Harry and Meghan make because they don’t really know them. Harry even said in the engagement interview that people *think* they know him (but they don’t). People keep trying to put them both in the specific boxes, and then things like the lawsuits and now walking away happen that upend the narratives that keep trying to be set about them.

      • Derriere says:

        I don’t think they wanted to stall to see if they could convince him to stay. They wanted to stall so that they could get whatever story THEY wanted out in the open. Likely that they would downgrade H&M in part of their plan to downsize the monarchy as if they were not needed. This shows very much that the royal family needs them and is in shambles at the thought that they would leave willingly and happily by their own accord.

  10. leigh says:

    Harry CAN do whatever he wants and he’s doing it right now and Wills is pissed. Amidst all the Meghan slander at least Kay threw in some tiny shade at the Cambridges: “the silent Kate beside her looked almost dull” and “let’s not forget, it was William’s intransigence and grumpiness that was more of a worry in the family.” Congrats Royals, there’s your future monarchy!

    • Ali says:

      The kate comment is sad because she is dull and that’s why will picked her.

      I watched a bit of William and Kate’s engagement video and they were as dull as paint.

      • Where'sMyTiara says:

        I thought Will picked The Incredible Mrs. Limpet b/c she was literally the only woman who would have him.

      • morrigan01 says:

        If William could have had Isabella Calthorpe, or someone like her, he would have *jumped* at the chance. It was said that Isabella didn’t want to date a prince when, honestly? I just don’t think she wanted *him*. Because the more and more I hear about William, the more I think he comes across as dickish. Maybe being future queen wasn’t enough to put up with *that* for life.

        Frankly, if it hadn’t been for Carole Middleton pretty much stage-mother managing Kate’s whole life to get and marry William, I’m not sure Kate would have chosen on her own to marry him either. Kate is not compelty innocent in all of her this – nor is her family – but I DO think she has no clear idea who she is outside of what her mother wanted for her, and that she herself took on.

      • Liz version 700 says:

        Several good points being made! I totally get now why the aristos didn’t want to marty Will. Maybe he never considered that it wasn’t the Royal Prince William thing that scared them off it was his horrible, entitled, nasty, petulant, spoiled personality they said no thanks too. He is jealous that the brother he puts down constantly could get an amazing woman who supported him.

    • Amy Too says:

      I almost think that this didn’t come from any royal source directly, but was written with a pro-Kate spin to keep the Middletons happy. There isn’t a lot of new info and seems like it’s just a vague summary of their lives up to this point with the usual anti-Sussex bias.

      I think the Middletons do A LOT of talking to the press, sometimes on Will’s behalf and behest, but probably just whenever they want to as well to embiggen Kate, and keep the press happy with Kate and the Middletons “just in case” she/they need the press later. (Cheating, divorce, rapist father in law, shady business dealings, Nazi marshmallows, failing businesses.) We get that line about how Kate looked “almost dull,” but was really just following protocol. (Never puts a foot wrong! Even when she seems like she’s boring or dumb or putting a foot wrong, she really isn’t!) And the last line is an exultation of Kate’s greatness. Whereas a lot of the stuff about Will isn’t that complimentary. There are a lot of little jabs that don’t get resolved.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        I am lost so I have to ask….why would anyone care or give a “fat rat’s clacker” about keeping the Middletons happy?

      • notasugarhere says:

        The Middletons are happy with the PR they get when they feed stories to certain paps and reporters.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @nota, Thanks! I never thought about in that way. So the RRRs keep Carole happy in order to get “inside” royal dish & tea?

      • notasugarhere says:

        The two past editors of the Sunday Fail were the Middletons paid PR hacks. That tells us what we need to know. All the positive Middleton press this past year, the disappearance of stories about possible rapist Daddy Matthews, the erasure of the facts about James and the Nazi marshmallows. All while Meghan was attacked, attacked, attacked by the tabloids and RRs. William, Kate, the Middletons have all benefited in the last three years by throwing in with the tabloids.

      • Tourmaline says:

        If the DM are so cozy with the Middletons maybe they shouldn’t have ever run those particular stories to begin with? Far from those 2 stories being erased a quick google search instantly brings up those stories on the DM website.

      • Amy Too says:

        They want to keep the Middletons happy because the Middletons leak a lot. And I bet the Midds exaggerate things and twist things and have no scruples about making things up. “Meghan made Kate cry!” They have no scruples about throwing anyone under the bus to make themselves and Kate look good. Because they might need the press at some point. I think the Middletons are the ones who started leaking about William and Rose, in order to set Kate up as the sympathetic one in case of divorce and also to try to shame William into at least being more discreet. In order to keep that access and keep getting those leaks, the media plays along at embiggening Saint Kate. Even if it’s often tongue-in-cheek or backhanded compliments. A lot of the pro-Cambridge pieces lately are really more pro-Kate pieces.

        Tourmaline, I think the DM still posts the occasional negative piece about the Midds to remind them that it’s time for another juicy insider tidbit. After each of those Middleton family scandals came out (rapist father in law, marshmallow Nazis), there was a barrage of anti-Sussex articles, and then coverage of the Middleton family scandals just either stopped, or began to be twisted in a way that made the Middletons (particularly James after the Nazi thing) look sympathetic.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Only cozy with certain days or former editors of the Fail, not control of the site overall. Or running those things as a warning, when Carole and W&K weren’t feeding them as much as they wanted.

  11. Restless Bitch Face says:

    From a family dynamic, William is very “first born”. He thinks he is the example because he has both the doormat wife AND rose trimming. He can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t want what he has or admire him! How could Harry be both full of brotherly wisdom AND a doormat? He can’t, or William wants Harry to be Will’s doormat, not Megan’s. TLDR, this is family bullshiz playing out in the public eye, H & M are smart to build a separate life.

  12. Sunshine says:

    Like Prince Andrew, William seems to lack self awareness. No one cares about him. Any popularity he has is to counter the racists hatred of MM.
    It will be interesting to see how his patronages respond to this. Many of them, including the Football Association, are interacting with many people of colour and believe me they all see it for what it is.

    • Angry Bird says:

      I hope you are correct about the patronages. I really hope so.

    • ChillyWilly says:

      Speaking of Prince Pedo, man did he luck out with the timing of Sussexit. it’s maddening that this is what has the family in an uproar and not Andrew’s slimy, sex trafficking.

    • Shirleygailgal says:

      @Sunshine….I want to believe you. I SO want to believe that Wm’s patronages will see the sexism and most particularly the racism. I so want to believe they (Football Association, so…mostly men or all men) would not accept the patronage of such a bigoted man. I think if patronages started turning down royal endorsement from particular royals, maybe the RF as a whole would get a clue. I want to believe……but at the moment, I don’t. I see D&DofS fighting to breathe, and being smothered. And I see everyone in the family being….. silent.

    • Royalwatcher says:

      The problem is that I don’t think patronages can boot the royal, right? I think they are stuck with them for as long as the royal wants. Because didn’t we have similar conversations when Kate was doing nothing for her orgs? Sadly I don’t think the sports orgs or any others would give the boot to W or any other royal (unless like Andrew he was doing something illegal or immoral).

      • notasugarhere says:

        Orgs are dumping Andrew, they can dump William.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        It might be difficult or highly discouraged to get rid of a royal patron unless they’ve done some truly awful things like Andrew. I swear I’ve heard about a patronage or two being unhappy about Kate’s absence but they were basically stuck with her.

    • Amy Too says:

      I think William thinks he’s much smarter and savvy than he really is. Probably because of first born syndrome, combined with being fawned over as the future future king, and being petted and cosseted by the Middletons who make him feel like he is the most important person in their entire world. I think William thought he could control the “Sussexes are stepping back” story and was “incandescent with rage” at being proved wrong. Rather than slowly leaking more and more info about it, starting with what he thought was the so subtle: “they’ll be spending more time in Canada this year,” and eventually, after a few weeks, ending with “William has succeeded in sidelining the horrific, no good, very bad Meghan,” it blew up in his face. His leak was obvious, Harry and Meghan immediately knew their role-out plan had been compromised, and so they announced ASAP. Now William, who was convinced he could milk this story for everything it was worth over the course of weeks, making himself look great the whole time in comparison to the Sussexes, is extra pissy that not only does he not get to control the narrative, but now everyone knows the leak came from him and his family is probably pissed at him, AND his plan to feed Sussexit news to the press in exchange for them turning a blind eye to whatever shady personal life shit he has going on has stopped before it hardly began. He thought he could milk this for weeks and instead the entire thing played out in a matter of hours.

  13. TheOriginalMia says:

    I’ve tried writing this comment several times and I am just amazed by the gaslighting. It’s sick. Something is seriously broken in William that he would do this to his brother without a care for the consequences. He is proving Harry’s point once again that Harry and his family are nothing but canon fodder for a petulant, manipulative press with a direct line to the palaces.

  14. Abena Asantewaa says:

    I think there is an agenda to ruin H&M’s marriage, but I suspect they know that, that is why they are so close and have each others back. I think William and Kate, may be intimidated by Meghan’s intelligence and dynamism, that is why KP shot down any ideas Meghan brought up, regarding The Royal Foundation, it made them look not so smart. That is the root of the brotherly feud.They have been leaking the sussexes plans to the media, and turn around and claim The Queen and P,Charles , Wiilliam were not aware, then ochestrate a public lynching of the sussexes, to villify them so they come to the table, weak for the negoriations.

  15. Kittylouise says:

    Why would anyone want to behave like this towards their brother? I know they’re descended from Hanoverians but this kind of family enmity is just poisonous.

    William seemed to manage, condone and encourage the nastiness and I’ll treatment of Meghan when she was new to this country, finding her feet and then it escalated when she was pregnant and had a new baby in a foreign country. As someone who had an extremely stressful pregnancy, this is not something which is easily managed or forgotten, and my stresses were of a magnitude so much smaller than Meghan had to deal with.

    I felt so deeply sorry for her and now am thankful she’s made this stand.

    For what it’s worth, yes the papers are going crazy about this but not everyone in the UK thinks like that – AT ALL.

    • Royalwatcher says:

      The thing about this that also bothers me is the letter that Kate wrote about midwives talking about how important it is to have a healthy and relaxed pregnancy is. It’s like they were trying to get Meghan to miscarry! It’s unforgivable!! Kate’s letter also feels like gaslighting and that’s also why I cannot give her the benefit of the doubt. She is deep, DEEP in this as well!! And, I’m guessing, so are the Middletons, because why was her mother coming to the emergency planning session yesterday?! What on earth would that be about?

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Kate has been thrown under the bus by her Rose Who? bush trimming husband. I will never believe there was any real lasting animosity between Kate and Meghan.

        Kate is smart enough to know, “there but for the grave of God goes me”!

      • Nic919 says:

        To be fair Catherine Quinn wrote that letter so she could write those comments in good conscience. With electronic signatures being available now I bet Kate didn’t even read the letter.

      • notasugarhere says:

        She’s gotten the best PR of her life in the last three years. She did nothing to refute all the nasty stories about Meghan making her cry, etc.

        Kate is not innocent in this.

    • Amy Too says:

      William is living a miserable life with a woman he doesn’t love and isn’t excited about, doing work he doesn’t care about, interacting with a press he doesn’t like, surrounded by family he’s too petulant to have a good relationship with, and the only reason he’s living like this is so he can eventually be King. Every time Harry and Meghan shake things up, or try to modernize, or bring too much attention to the BRF, the ridiculousness of having royalty in the 21st century risks being exposed. I think all of them are very worried that they’ve lived their lives in these miserable, protocol-heavy, cold, emotionally distant ways, turning their homes into offices that are full of gossiping asshole courtiers, turning their family events into “work” and PR exercises, and in the end, the monarchy might be absolved. They will have lived like this for no reason. I think that’s the main concern of everyone involved, right down to the courtiers. They don’t want this farce to be exposed for what it is because then it means they will have lived like this for no reason at all.

      • Val says:


      • HCR says:

        Nailed it!!

        When the most glamorous, articulate, educated, “woke”/modern part of the family takes a good hard look over a year and then walks, it says “this sh!t is obsolete.” That is what is causing the meltdown.

  16. Rianic says:

    I think the rose trimming may be part of what pushed him over. Here Bill was telling Harry all of the marriage advice while cheating on the mother of his three children.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Or William getting a pass on the affair with the press – in exchange for throwing Meghan under the bus.

    • L4frimaire says:

      I know a Harry and Meghan are feeling nuclear level heat, but the lack of any accountability for William, Charles and Elizabeth is just insane. They are the heads of state and moral example to the nation. The fact that a royal, who was 6th in line to the throne, can be so systematically torched by the establishment for not doing anything criminal, but for doing their work with integrity, and with a spouse who is a normal modern person who wanted to use their voice constructively. There was no coup orchestrated, embezzlement or collusion with foreign governments. They didn’t consort with convicted pedophiles. They just wanted a more independent approach to serve the crown and use less of the taxpayer money they were accused of taking. I don’t think this was just self serving. The fact that the Royal are torching the palace to stick it to the American should warrant government intervention. Regardless of how this ends, the meanness and viciousness on display shows that the next generation of Royals are unfit. To do these destructive leaks with Brexit and the Iran crises is the height of arrogance and insularity. They could have handled this quietly but typical of William, they make the announcement / bombshell leaks, before any resolution, before anything is barely started They didn’t want this to be a mutual agreement but the exile he had wanted. His soul is wretched. Broken Britain.

  17. RoyalBlue says:

    We knew it all along that it was William who was holding the smoking gun. The leaks had his fingerprints all over them. Lord willing may he never be King.

  18. crogirl says:

    I see this article as more damaging to William than Harry. And again with blaming Kate and Meghan when the problem is with the brothers.

    • Jas says:

      Seriously, I don’t follow royals that closely but based on this neither look very good. I am always very turned off by people putting it all on two women who just showed up when they have centuries of dirty laundry to unpack, from racism and incest to just garden variety lies and theft. They have their blood heirs, the institution will keep on, so what’s the big deal if someone wears a lot of coats or someone else wants to live in Canada, really.

  19. Myra says:

    The Royal Roto set up is ridiculous. I’m sure when Meghan grasp how the RF ran their publicity she was shocked. William and Charles really missed an opportunity to make things better by getting rid of that system. Now they are left to the wolves while Meghan/Harry have gained more control of their public image and actually will have privacy without being told they are “owned” by someone who doesn’t personally contribute what amounts to $1 a year to the RF…that blew my mind when I realized it was $1 that actually cane from a portfolio of business and not directly from the taxpayers….so many LIES

  20. HK9 says:

    Charles and the Queen need to get Will un hand because he’s the weak link here. Leaks only work if we don’t know their origin and the world knows it’s him. H & M are in their way out so there’s no need to run to the press. He needs to keep quiet and avoid the rise bushes.

    • Charles wants desperately to be King; William was always ambivalent and threatened to step away if he didn’t get what he wanted. Now that he is fully in, I’ll bet he still uses it as a stick to get his way. After all, it worked for years.

  21. Jen says:

    The part that is really amusing to me is how bad William is at this. Like, he could leak his side of the story without it being so obvious, but it is so painfully obvious. Like he couldn’t say “They had been growing apart as they had less time together as William took on new roles in preparation for becoming PoW and Harry focused more on Invictus.” Instead it is “MEGHAN BAD. KATE GOOD. WILL VERY GOOD. HARRY NAIVE. POOR HARRY BUT REALLY POOR KATE AND WILL.”

    • Royalwatcher says:

      Lol. Totally!! William is a dull, incurious, idiot who’s always been treated as the smartest, funniest, most handsome man in the room.

    • Becks1 says:

      That’s how you know its William behind this story LOL. When you’re like, “who thinks this makes William look good?” The answer is almost always….William.

  22. Aa says:

    The untouched topic here is how William’s own raciscm either internalized or worse affected this. His friend group, his hiring of Brexit people to his staff, and comments about African people having to.many children while he has a third etc all add up. I’m sure women’s empowerment isn’t something he looks forward to.

    • ShazBot says:

      RIght!?? He’s for sure a super right wing guy, and I think he’s only doing this environment thing because it’s “trendy”.

    • carmen says:

      He is absolutely vile.

    • Royalwatcher says:


    • Bohemian Angel says:

      I said this before just a couple of weeks ago on here that William is a racist, some posters thought I was reaching.
      I will say he is defo a racist and I add Kate in that mind thought as well, she and her family are very very proud of their Englishness and here in the UK when someone states how very very proud they are to be English (not British) alarm bells ring out.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        Thank you. I don’t understand how anyone could read William’s comments about Africans “needing to have less children”, look at his very colonialist “wildlife is more important/worth caring about than the people” approach towards the continent, and NOT come to the conclusion that at best, he is extremely ignorant/close-minded. I think he’s definitely racist. Oh and let’s not forget his “bored of racism” comments. Someone who was truly invested in combating racism would never use such horrendous wording.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Sitting there with his family at the PR exercise of attending the rugby match, a match where racists chants were heard all over the stadium. He could have removed his family and told the press why. Instead they stayed for their photo op, because (yawn), William finds racism boring.

      • Effeff says:

        I tend to think there are probably still Nazi/neo-nazi sympathizers in the BRF and aristocracy. Edward wasn’t that many generations back, and centuries old institutions of power and priveldge don’t evolve quickly.

    • notasugarhere says:

      And we’ve just been told he and Kate are going to be working on ‘African development’???

      • Bohemian Angel says:

        People don’t see their racism and they applauded for doing good work in Africa. Right now William and Kate’s shit don’t stink. They are what the Little Englanders like. The royal family are the last bastian of Great Britain and having a half black American in it was never going to work in this age of Brexit. Us black and brown brits born here get shit since the vote (I wait for my turn with baited breath) there was no way some brits were going to accept Meg and disgustingly William and Kate pandered to their racist audience. Such a sad time but I send all love and blessings to Harry, Meghan and their little man Archie.

    • Where'sMyTiara says:

      Workshy Wanderdick is up to his earlobes in misogynoir. Ugly as I always thought he was on the outside, the inside is even uglier. Completely, irredeemably vile.

      • HTG says:

        “Workshy Wanderdick” ahhahaha – looove this!! Thanks @Where’sMyTiara

      • Liz version 700 says:

        In my head I shall forevermore refer to William as “workshy wanderdick”. What a gloriously accurate name.

  23. Erin says:

    I can’t even read these quotes; the way the British press writes about women and Megan in particular is just beyond disgusting and misogynistic.

  24. Loretta says:

    Even my mum who doesn’t follow the Royal things said that William is a snake and a bad brother today.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      There are many people in my office and SM feeds who think the same – that William is behind the press attacks. There are a few who buy into the media crap but the Sussex’s are far more popular with the younger generation that the boring, bland middle aged couple that is the Cambridges.

      • Bohemian Angel says:

        I was in the hospital yesterday attending an appointment. I couldn’t believe the conversation I was hearing between two receptionists and two patients, they were really laying into Meghan and placing all the blame for this on her and how she’s very Hollywood and American and wanted to do things her way and has bewitched Harry into making this big mistake. These were three BLACK WOMEN and one white, all I could do was shake my head. I think too many people are buying into the media crap. A lot of people don’t see the racist abuse Meghan and to a point Harry have been subjected to.

      • Andrea says:

        I am an American and you can’t be very American. It is insulting to use such terms. You can speak and act American, but it is insulting to say, welp she is very American cose word not British enough for us.

      • morrigan01 says:

        When I hear Brits/English people call Meghan “Hollywood” I just roll my eyes. Because as someone who not only lives in SoCal but who had a parent who worked in the industry, I know what being “Hollywood” actually looks like and guess what? Meghan ain’t it.

        It’s clear what they really mean by “Hollywood” is that she’s *Californian.* She has a natural beauty not gotten by botox or massive dieting, but still health conscious, (my half-sister, who lived with her mom on the east coast for most of her life, came out here to go to college and kept repeating over and over how beautiful all the girls out here were and felt very intimidated by it), she’s free spirited, she doesn’t conform to ideas of what people think she *should* be like or want in life. My dad had a friend who lived on the east coast and felt very stifled in his life, and my dad suggested he come to California and try something new or different. The friend refused because, to him, California was just to “free” and he was scared of having that much freedom.

        So yeah, Meghan is very Californian. But she’s not even outlandishly so. And Hollywood? GTFOOH. “Hollywood” people scramble to afford a apartment on the Westside and do whatever they can to get a 323 area code, and are a fixture at The Grove. They do NOT move to and live in *Toronto* of all places for 7 years, especially if they actually have a hit show to their name.

  25. AMM says:

    Even when it’s supposed to be Wills spin, it makes him look bad. The whole paragraph about Meghan and the speech was telling. She was a natural at the Heads Together and wanted her voice to be heard, making Kate look dull.

    That’s all that needs be said. This is all rooted in jealousy and pettiness about Meghans charisma and work ethic. Instead of Kate and William stepping up their game and the UK benefitting from 4 hardworking royals, they decided to spend the next couple of years doing a toxic smear campaign and tearing apart the family.

    They could have embraced Meghan and supported Harry’s growth and turn the monarchy into a powerhouse in the new decade. Instead they chose to turn it into a soap opera.

    • Sunshine says:

      AMM I don’t know if you listen to Sussexsquad podcast but this entire article has prove Michelle right. Amazing. She said that “Fab Four” summit was Williams turning point. He didn’t realise she was actually intelligent until then.

      • AMM says:

        I do not, but I’m gonna check it out now. Thanks!

      • L4frimaire says:

        I heard that podcast ( Ep.57) and she was so prescient. She seen William for what he is from the jump. He did not like Meghan at all and never respected his brother. She has been saying from the get go that they would leave the Royal family and they would not have another child in UK. All this chaos and undermining is rooted in jealousy and fear of being overshadowed by those “ beneath you”. Isolate and vilify. I think regardless of the shit thrown at them both Meghan and Harry, warts and all, are strong people of good character, and will eventually come through. Really hoping so.

    • Bella DuPont says:

      @ AMM

      You’ve articulated what I’ve been trying to say perfectly. 😬.

      The root of the problem is William’s jealousy of Meghan. Her brilliance, confidence and irreverence (I suspect) towards him. Harry’s not having any of that and so voila, world war 3.

    • Harla says:

      I’ve long said that William has issues regarding Meghan. She is everything he fears in a woman, smart, articulate, compassionate, passionate and totally unwilling to stand by while anyone messes with her man. I think Meghan saw the way William bullies and harasses Harry, under the guise of brotherly teasing, and said “nope” no more. Unlike anyone else in William’s world, Meghan isn’t afraid of standing up to him and calling him out on his behavior. I imagine that she did this in a very kind but firm way and William lost his s&it.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Jecca, Isabella, probably the lawyer woman, and Rose Who? are all the things that Meghan is: smart, articulate, compassionate, passionate, educated and charismatic.

        Think about my statement and Bill Cambridge just gets weirder and weirder right before your eyes.

      • Vava says:

        EXACTLY. I am convinced this is the root of the problem.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Her intelligence, work ethic, and desire to use the royal role for good? All of these things show William and Kate to be lazy and intellectually incurious.

  26. sue denim says:

    so…not just racism but also sexism, how dare Meghan use her voice and speak at an event, unlike Kate who knows her place. wow.

    • Liz version 700 says:

      Right?!?! How dare a woman speak? One wonders if Kate has to ask permission to address her husband good lord he is a sexist jacka$$. I do not give Kate a pass she is up to her eyeballs in this (insert waive to Carole and Pippa), but I do imagine her fairytale is turning much more into a Grimm fairytale than a Disney version.

  27. Nina says:

    Of course everything is Meghan’s fault.How dare she make Harry happy and free from Them?
    In others words prince Harry was supposed to be the Cambridges third wheel his whole life?
    « Supposed to be William ally »
    William seems to have found his allies on the press an tabloids.
    And it is late Who was the most happy to have harry’s By her side not the contrary.
    William and his wife are the creepiest peoples in Britain.

  28. kerwood says:

    I’m curious about how the Cambridge apologists are going to explain this one. Because not only is William stabbing his brother and sister-in-law in the back, he’s using some of the loudest dog-whistles EVER to do so. William has no problem pulling the ‘race-card’ when it suits his purposes. WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT NORMAL BILL IS!

    Hey England! How do you like your future king?!?!?

    • Beach Dreams says:

      They don’t care and they think H&M deserve it. I’m not even talking about the fake fans who hated Kate or didn’t know she existed until Meghan came along. Most of the *real* Cambridge fans are just as nasty and have an equally large cognitive dissonance. Short of William and/or Kate making a live public announcement of all their shortcomings/dirty deeds, the Cambridge fans will forever believe that these two are blameless and “good people”.

      • Bohemian Angel says:

        The spin they have done in regards to Kate has really worked. She is the PERFECT royal wife, coming from a loving close supportive family, she’s a woman who loves and respects her husband and the crown. She went to the right schools, grew up in the PERFECT English village and is the PERFECT English rose. Her, William and their children are the PERFECT English family.
        All this crap is set in stone around here, these people can do no wrong even non Cambridge fans believe this shit. On Googlebox (a show on tv) they featured the programme ‘A very Berry Christmas’ and an Asian guy was saying how perfect she is and how you can’t have sexual thoughts about her as she’s above that, so yes saint Kate truly exists here and they see Meghan as the polar opposite. This country has truly gone to the dogs!!! I should set up a go fund me page to get myself help to leave this country! 😔

    • L4frimaire says:

      What’s more disturbing is how he has weaponized the press, especially the tabloids and Daily Fail, against his own family. I think William’s primary work was smearing and leaking negative stories about Meghan and undermining Harry. The whole private jets so- called scandal and the budget plane stunt was a set up to undermine Harrys travel initiative. That timing is not coincidence and it became so obvious. Once Meghan started dating Harry, that was Williams primary job. No wonder he and Kate have produced nothing with his patronages. How people can’t see this is just …does anyone at the palace have a conscience or shred of decency. They’ll think they can get away with anything after this. All for the 6th in line. I pity the Cambridge kids. Their lives will be on lockdown and micromanaged.

      • Shirleygailgal says:

        @14frimaire “How people can’t see this is just …does anyone at the palace have a conscience or shred of decency. “…it just struck me how familiar this refrain is at the moment…it’s exactly what folks are wondering about the Republican Party of the United States…are there any decent people in government (BRF) left???

    • February Pisces says:

      It won’t matter to Cambridge stans because they think just like them and have the same insecurities. Kate’s fans are dull, miserable sexless, uncharismative women who feel their looks have passed and probably feel very insecure and invisible within themselves. this is exactly why they relate to kate because they see she has the exact same characteristics as them. Women like Meghan who are confidant, smart, and have a certain sex appeal and charisma, make kate stans Seeth with jealousy. Add that she’s biracial and they are triple mad. The fact kate has attempted to take Meghan out is a victory to these miserable women who do the same things themselves everyday. They are desperate for harry to fancy kate because it will validate that she is desired too, but that won’t ever happen. Kate getting editors to write about her ‘new found confidence’ and her ‘dazzle’ is kate way of wanting to been as ‘the hot attractive one’ over Meghan. Kate doesn’t seem to realise most people actuallly have eyes and can see she looks a solid decade older than her SIL who’s the same age.

  29. CROWHOOD says:

    I had Never read an article from the daily mail before this week and all I can say is that I am Shocked they haven’t left sooner.

  30. Golly Gee says:

    A breakdown of this word picture :
    “two very different boys with two very different wives”
    Translation: innocent, naïve, easily misled “Boys”. Men have wives, boys do not.

    Foreboding words to describe Harry, William, Kate BEFORE Meghan:
    Warm-hearted trio! Delighting the world no less.
    Translation: then along came Rasputin.

    Words used to describe Harry:
    Younger brother
    Kid brother
    Jovial, fun-providing
    youthfully immature
    Translation: Court jester. Still a boy not capable of making adult decisions. Easily led astray. NOT to be taken seriously.

    Words used to describe William:
    wiser and more cautious brother
    Heeded his much-revered mother,
    looking out for his kid brother, as he always has.
    Profoundly sad about his relationship with Harry
    Protective of Kate (after she was badly kicked and beaten by Meghan because bridesmaid)
    Dignified –not grumpy– DIGNFIED.
    NOT a time-bomb, thanks to Kate’s cool calm hand on his heavily weighed-upon brow.
    Translation: this right here is King material, baby! Plus bonus! he feels sadness, just like you and me.

    Words to describe Meghan:
    American Meghan
    Television actress
    Worldly divorcee
    Suggestion that she kicked Charlotte and Kate around the room before her wedding.
    Translation: Wallis Simpson

    Words to describe Kate
    Silent, almost dull. But not really! It’s on purpose because Royal protocol.
    Calm and levelheaded
    Respect for the royal family and her role within it
    Transformer of William into King-material
    Perpetuating the continuity and health of the monarchy.
    Translation: silent, dull in a good way, takes whatever crap is dished out at her for the sake of her place in the monarchy. Lets William do whatever the hell he wants, thus he has fewer reasons to throw tantrums.

    Princess Diana
    Contacted by Richard Kay via séance to confirm her point of view.

    • Nibbi says:

      this is amazing. thanks for the breakdown, you’re totally on it.

      i think the “worldly divorcée” thing deserves even more breaking down, tho:
      “harlot.” “whore of babylon.”
      “worldly,” in the religious background i come from, = “impure/ tempted by the devil”
      “divorcée” = also harlot and all the shocking so shock wow awful. one remembers that only two generations ago Margaret was prevented from marrying her love bc he was a divorcé and yes, Wallace Simpson = EVIL SO EVIL American divorcée. and charles married diana despite being in love with camilla because diana was a virgin (even the fact that ppl knew it and discussed it publicly = ew) and, you know, demure. and PURE.
      that all ended well. one would think they’d have learned.

      god the senior royals are dumb, and the conservative press that panders to them is outdated and crusty and gross. the whole institution is a dusty artifact.

      • Effeff says:

        The worldly, power hungry, manipulative villian is a trope that has been leveled against Royal and high profile women of color forever. It reminds me of Yoko Ono, but also of Shakespeare’s Antony and Cleopatra, a play with some very blatant early modern, British colonial racism and misogyny baked in. It sets up chaotic, manipulative, power-hungry WOC Cleopatra against quiet, white, victim angel Octavia as a comparison. It seems like British tabloids are using the same template to villianize Meagan.

    • Yeah that must have been a personal high for Kate on Sunday, walking to church with her husband’s mistress. A lovely early birthday present from William. Kate has sold her soul to the devil, but then again so many many people will put up with anything to get what they want. I hope being Queen is worth it to her in the end.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Carole’s grandson inheriting a billion makes it worth it to Carole. That and her being the new Queen Mum, controlling that heir to the throne like Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon controlled Charles.

    • The Recluse says:

      Okay, now I want some medium to contact Diana just for the hell of it.

      • Golly Gee says:

        I wouldn’t be surprised if the Fail or the Sun are working on it as we speak.
        Possible headline: “Diana pleads with Harry from beyond the grave: You’re breaking my heart.”

    • Lucy says:

      The “worldly divorcee” line got me. I LOLd.
      Harry was in the military, saw active duty, was photographed playing naked pool in Vegas, and was raised around wealth and privilege I can’t imagine.
      But Meghan is the worldly one who tricked the naive boy into marriage?

  31. Mabs A'Mabbin says:

    Weinerhead Will is his own despicable travesty. The ‘royal’ family is obviously not, and never has been, royal.

    Royal: dignified, illustrious, imperial, magnificent, noble, elevated, superior, worthy

    The ONLY royals behaving royally are Harry and Meghan.

  32. Sophie says:

    I really hope that at some point H&M just say f—k it and drop whatever they have on the Cambridges. They may as well. If I were them I’d want to burn that whole place down on the way out.

    • K2Squared says:

      I hope they do too! But I have a feeling they will not need to as the RR will eventually turn on Willie and Katie.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      Me too. And people are making a big mistake thinking Kate is innocent or just minimally involved in all of this. She’s not just complicit; she’s an active and willing participant in attacking the Sussexes. People see how blandly she portrays herself and think that she can’t possibly be part of a smear campaign, but that’s the benefit of maintaining a docile facade.

  33. Mignionette says:

    The issue I can see, is that the expected Meghan to sit pretty and shut up so they could wheel her out when they felt like it and say oh look at us how modern we are with our black Princess.

    The reality is that the Monarchy will forever be damaged by this. If the truth ever gets into the mainstream re Bill, he will suffer the same fate as his father popularity wise post Diana.

    They really flucked this one up.

    • Rogue says:

      I agree- I suspect now the palaces weren’t for the marriage (to be fair we’ll have to see if they are right/wrong on that) but thought they could use Meghan for good diversity/modernising PR which was a lot of the press just before/after the wedding. And then she was meant to be the mute but cute token but she actually wanted to use new platform.

      I remember when her dad was on his rant& Charles stepped up, people were actually cheering on the ‘warm’ Windsors who would be her new family- a huge turnaround from days following Diana’s death.

      If the palaces had showed unity from the start, they had these marketable duos: Cambridges having the traditional monarchists covered with Sussexes bringing more support from younger generation.

      Now yes lots of people think Harry& Meghan are brats with blame on her but seeing lots of people say that Diana was right, family are cold, snakes etc.

      The BRF really messed this up.

  34. notasugarhere says:

    Looking back.

    The bad SHOUT launch without Meghan. W&K spinning it like it was all theirs. One of the participating orgs posted a rebuttal, about how much they’d worked with Harry and Meghan. Not allowing W&K to take credit for Harry and Meghan’s work.

    The Scobie article about the Foundation split and subsequent news about those financials? A second director quitting in four months, the financial guy who was treasurer for the households too. W&K brought in no money, Harry and Meghan brought in the only funds. Omid stating flat out the Hubb money was ‘ringbarked’ so it couldn’t be misused by the Foundation.

    William was trying to take all the money and credit for work done by Harry and Meghan. Harry and Meghan said no. We get the spin about William wanting them out, wanting his own foundation, wanting to ship them to another country. The weird, after-the-fact articles that William made the decision to throw out Andrew, it wasn’t the Queen or Charles.

    Always William trying to claim he’s in charge, when the decisions are not his and are out of his hands.

    • Nic919 says:

      Maybe the money relates to the legal implications we keep hearing about behind the scenes from reporters.

  35. Thaisajs says:

    I do wonder how much of this is William’s jealousy of Harry. Not necessarily his marriage — although it does seem like the Cambridge marriage is frosty, to say the least — but with Harry’s freedom. By lighting a match and making it clear he’s willing to exile himself from the family, Harry will finally have the freedom William has always wanted. That Harry found, for a short time, while he was serving in the UK military (can’t remember which branch) and can now have over in Canada or the US.

    As the heir, William will never have the freedom to just say screw it, and move on. Harry does have that ability and I think that’s probably where much of his anger and resentment is coming from.

    I’m no fan of the Queen (also, am American so I don’t really give an f) but how disappointing for her to see how both of her heirs are behaving. William is throwing Harry under the bus every day, showing how immature and petty he is, while Charles is just sitting by and letting it happen, thus showing no leadership (or compassion) at all. What a family.

  36. Tourmaline says:

    @Thaisajs ~Yes. And not only does Harry have more freedom ~but so does Harry’s SON. It would be awful to look at ones child like George and know that his life is mapped out and it is predetermined what he must do or be. I would hate that as a parent.

    • Thaisajs says:

      Excellent point! Poor George already looks miserable in photos. UGH.

      • Shirleygailgal says:

        I’ve noticed that too, how he always looks over-tired and unhappy. I suspect Dad thinks of his kid as a reflection of himself rather than as a little boy with thoughts and feelings that are all his own

  37. Beech says:

    Normal Bill resembles Stephen Miller in the above picture. Shudder.

    • Has there been a picture of William smiling when near Harry since the wedding. He always has that clinched jaw look — deliberately I think — whenever he’s been photographed anywhere near the Sussexes.

  38. Grey says:

    I know she isn’t innocent in everything but one line in the article did catch me, about Kate and Harry’s friendship. I do think Harry cared a great deal about Kate and maybe she had a hard time adjusting to a different relationship with him after he met Meghan. Maybe Will, seeing that, added it to his “list” of hurts and anger.

    NOT EXCUSING ALL THE SH*T that is happening, it’s just a dynamic I’ve been thinking about.

    • Nic919 says:

      Harry was always seen to be friendly to Kate in public, often acting more thoughtful to her than William, e.g. the time he had to remind William on the jubilee barge that he had ditched Kate. There is also an interview a Harry does, I believe the one while he’s in the army in Afghanistan, where he says that the tabloids have no clue about his relationship with Kate and that the tabloids should leave her alone. (Something William has not done about Meghan ).
      That said, with Harry getting serious with Meghan, he would of course change, as would happen in any serious emotional relationship. I don’t know if William cared that Harry wasn’t there to be emotional support for Kate anymore, but she probably didn’t like the change, hence some of the passive aggressive stuff we have seen trickle out.

  39. anon says:

    Keep it up, Dull Bill.

    The more you talk, the likelier it becomes that at some point Harry is going to drop another mic. But he’s not going to hide behind Richard Kay and Dan Wootton like a pansy. Oh no, lol, he’s gonna look straight in the GD camera and let it rip.

    I can see why Diana went to Martin Bashir. It’s because of dumbshit like this that she felt she had no choice. Was it fun to watch? No. But what did anyone expect when EVERYTHING SHE SAID WAS TRUE. Camilla was fucking Charles from the beginning of their marriage and the Establishment expected her to suck it up and allow it to happen.

    And then they smeared her to justify Charles’ actions. Just like you’re doing to your own GD brother. I guess you are, indeed, a product of your environment. Despicable.

    • Anon. Loved the first paragraph. What a visual image.

      “The more you talk, the likelier it becomes that at some point Harry is going to drop another mic. But he’s not going to hide behind Richard Kay and Dan Wootton like a pansy. Oh no, lol, he’s gonna look straight in the GD camera and let it rip.”

  40. HK9 says:

    William & Kay might want to close their eyes and remember what Diana did all her life. She used her role so her voice could be heard. William is weak AF and if he doesn’t know that every time he leaks this stupid shit to the press he humiliates himself on the internet forever. The best thing he could do, it shut up, give H & M what they want, get lots of PR pics of both couples looking happy and I swear to god William’s camp is their own worst enemy.

  41. Aria says:

    Lol non royal watchers in uk also saying that they support harry and Meghan over this decision. They also coming to the sense Meghan and harry receive abuse from press and how toxic the family is . It’s going to very bad for cambridge kids. William doesnt setup good example. The same thing will happen when george throw Louis under the bus. It is me that I find strange that after all these photo , I dont find any interaction between george and louis. Not even holding hands, only Charlotte is being with Louis not george.

  42. The Recluse says:

    This is all a dirty rotten shame.
    They could have been a dream team for public causes with their new, dynamic Duchess. It would have brought the RF into the 21st century, but no.
    Will and Kate may end up ushering in the end of the whole operation through their mediocrity.

  43. Bailey says:

    Someone on here yesterday asked why Carol Middleton would leak stuff to the press. The answer to that is easy, because any bad press for the Sussex’s is good press for Will and Kate. Same with William leaking stuff to the Daily Fail. This family is so toxic. There are leaks from every room in every palace. I hope they are able to move away and live a quiet life from now on. They deserve it.

    • February Pisces says:

      I said in another post that now harry and Meghan have left, William and Kate will not be able to split even if he wanted to. I think their marriage has been on thin ice for a long time, but now the monarchy needs her to pretend to be stable. Her position in the RF is safe for now.

      • Beach Dreams says:

        Exactly. I doubt she would ever want to leave in the first place, but there was always a chance that HE would find someone he actually wants as his wife. Now that this has happened, the BRF ain’t gonna let Will do shit if he *does* find his Camilla down the road (or even if he simply gets fed up of Kate and the Middletons). And the funny thing is: it’s all his fault. He’s effectively locked himself into this marriage.

      • February Pisces says:

        @beach dreams one of my theories was that William created his smear campaign because he wanted out of his own marriage. By creating the illusion that harry and meghans marriage was a ‘disaster’ from start to finish it will somehow make his own marriage look better. I think he was hoping Meghan would leave harry due to the intense scrutiny and harry will have another ‘embarrassment’ Under his belt next to nazi uniforms and stripping in Vegas. Therefore if he was to get divorced himself, his divorce consequently wouldn’t look ‘as bad’ as Harry’s divorce. I think William wanted Meghan to walk, but wasn’t expecting harry to go with her. Now he’s stuck on his own with Kate forever.

  44. Dee says:

    Some irony that Normal Bill is the one that faffed about as a part-time co-pilot helicopter pilot while putting off royal duties as long as he thought he could. He would really love to just party with the other toffs, but he has to at least make a show of doing duties. I’m going to make a long term bet that years down the road, Bill walks away, too.

  45. BedazzleSmokingGun says:

    Here’s my take: William has been cheating for a while, Rose and her husband have facilitated it and the Queen knows because she wants someone to keep an eye on him and not make a mess. This gives lots of control/power to people that money isn’t a problem, you know all the dirt on the next King, you can control him.
    Somewhere after the wedding/pregnancy announcement, William tried to instigate Harry to cheat, have a little visit with me to Norfolk wink, wink. I also agree with everyone above that William doesn’t like her because Meghan is who she is. Harry stormed out and is really hurt about his brother going this route and behavior.
    William threw a tantrum, Kate couldn’t ignore the cheating confirmations anymore and tried to iced out Rose, except Rose and her husband know everything/have proof and made the leak aka, showed William how much power they have. They don’t care if people think it’s Rose because only the people who matter know it’s not her.
    William has then proceeded to try to “punish” Harry and Meghan since then, hence all the leaks and encouraging the bad press.
    I believe this is the big thing that started it all: cheating/unhappy partners like to make others cheat so they can feel better about their behavior.

  46. starryfish29 says:

    This family too stupid and petty to realize when they are shooting themselves in the foot. It’s obvious to anyone who thinks about it for more than 5 seconds that Meghan & Harry are being pushed out. They’ve been hung out to dry by the family from the beginning, Harry was used to playing that role when it was just him, but he obviously wasn’t willing to let his wife and son play that role too. In their statement M&H were way more diplomatic that TRF deserved, totally giving them an opportunity to save face by not flat out saying that they were done with them. But as per usual, TRF couldn’t handle things sensibly if you wrote them a script.

    Each of their responses has been worse than the last; first, it was we had no idea & when that fell apart it was we just thought we’d have more time to work out the details. And the dumbest of all is this idea that it’s actually perfectly in line with Charles’ plans for a more streamlined monarchy. The queen has at best 5-10 years left, George will be a child when Charles takes over no matter what. Who is supposed to take over the huge chunk of work that will free up? A 12 year old George? It’s not like Charles has 4 kids like his mom, of course, Harry & his wife were always going to need to take on a fair share of work for at least 20 years. Even if Will & Kate suddenly became the hardest working royal so of all time (humor me) there would be lots left over that needed to be done.

    All this family had to do was support Harry & whoever his wife ended up being, and things would have gone along just fine, but they couldn’t see past their own BS and petty jealousies. Harry even did them the favor of marrying someone smart & hardworking, that matched his ability to connect with people, and instead of taking that gift and running with it, they chose not to provide them with even the bare minimum of support in the face of truly vile treatment, and some of them were so dumb that they chose to actively make it worse. Unfortunately for those idiots, Harry was the brother who learned the right lessons from his parents’ marriage, he loves his wife and won’t sacrifice his family on the alter of his family’s nonsense.

    The fact that the woman they’re driving out of the family is the first black woman to marry in, only makes their actions look worse. There is absolutely no way that this works out well for them, in the short term or the long term; they’ve had 25 years to learn from their handling of Diana and they have truly not learned a damned thing.

    • Excellent summation starryfish.

    • HK9 says:

      Correct. They drove out the first black woman to marry into that family in front of the Commonwealth which has a large black/brown population. Complete and utter foolery-and NO ONE will forget. It only takes one look at the Sussex Royal website to know how well prepared they H & M actually are. I suspect they have a plan for their new life and I’m not that worried. It’s the rest of the royal family that need to worry. The courtiers and their broken PR machine have landed them in a ditch yet again and no one wants to deal with it. The inability to deal with the courtiers/W & K etc can end the monarchy as they know it and they can’t see the forest for the trees.

      What you resist persists, and in the RF’s quest to avoid another “Diana” they have this rule that no one can be more popular than W & K. They fail to see that if someone is doing well, they ALL are doing well, and they need to ride that wave to solidify the good will of the people. By Will running to the press with crap every five seconds like a grown toddler, he’s turned ‘The Firm’ into a bad soap opera. His big mouth continues to make things worse than they are and make the Susses’ more sympathetic. If Charles doesn’t have the guts to confront him about his behaviour, his emotional instability will destabilize the institution until there’s nothing left. He will undo the monarchy with his own hands.

      I want to see how is he going to do a tour of a Commonwealth country after he’s run his black sister-in-law out of the family? Who’s he going to blame for his unpopularity then?

      • anon says:

        “The courtiers and their broken PR machine have landed them in a ditch yet again and no one wants to deal with it.”

        You hit the nail on the head. But mostly, I blame William. He knows better, but let his jealousy get the best of him.

        Also, I blame the Middletons. Carole Middleton is a GD snake in the grass.

    • Darby says:

      Perfect comment

  47. Charfromdarock says:

    The RF and their respective courts are so stupid, with Normal Bill as the lead dunce.

    They had a smart, hard working and compassionate woman and instead of using that to their advantage and bring the RF into the 21st century, they tried to sabotage her from the start.

    I hope H&M live happy lives away from that viper’s nest and are a million times more popular and successful than Dull and Duller.

  48. celialarson12 says:

    “she has not only diffused any prospect of a William time-bomb ” LOL
    Watch this space !!! William is a ticking time- bomb and it appears not even the Queen and his father are able to control him.

    Look at the recent ” pudding pounding” photo op. The concept behind the photo op was fine, the execution was cringeworthy and had all the hallmarks of a KP project. That William could get the Queen and Charles to participate shows how much he is allowed to get his way. This photo op was just not how Charles and the Queen do things. They show more finesse in executing their projects.

    I predict that when William explodes Kate and his father will feel the repercussions. Give him 5 – 10 years as Prince of Wales, with his no particular passion for any royal work apart from being the boss, his covering the lack of any meaningful projects with photo ops and PR, and a wife who can hardly string an intelligent setence together. As more demands are made on him I think he will reveal his ugly self for all to see.
    The one advantage he has is that Kate will put up with anything, and if he replaces her with somebody else he will live to reget it.

  49. marni112 says:

    What I find interesting is that the people interviewed who have worked for the Royals or covered them in the press for a long time are not buying the oh-woe -is -me scenario.As for William gaslighting his brother , i doubt that given how they were raised and his own experiences with his parents and their divorce .

  50. Cookie monster says:

    Since they were born William was considered the heir and Harry the spare. William has 2 sons and a daughter in line.

  51. SpankFD says:

    Is anyone else *slightly* concerned that Harry will have to fend off his entire family alone if Meghan is back in Canada? Won’t they fall back on their tried-and-true dysfunctionality to bring him into line?

    That family is the worst. Entitled, arrogant, inbred arseholes who zealously defend the status quo because they’d drop like stones in a meritocracy. Tell them to F*** OFF, Harry! Run!

    • marni112 says:


      Well, the better question is why would your supportive wife would leave you alone (with your emotional vunerability ) to deal with this problem on your own ?Theoretically this is a joint decision to leave and while MM in not likely to take part in family discussions, she has certainly distanced herself from the process -symbolically as well as , physically.Even if she needed to speed back to archie , why not bring him in the first place ??

      • Myra says:

        To escape the TOXIC UK

      • MA says:

        @Myra You’ve got to be kidding.

      • Guest says:

        Maybe they don’t believe Meghan and/or Archie are physically safe in the UK. I wouldn’t want my baby in the country with the way the tabloids are whipping people up. He can still talk to her on the phone or skype (or whatever you cool kids are doing these days).

      • Mary says:

        Gosh, @Marni112, I have a feeling that once the Sussex’s unloaded that bomb of an announcement Harry’s “emotional vulnerability” lessened quite a bit, hah!!!

        How freeing it must be for Harry to not only have finally taken a positive step in distancing himself from his toxic family but as well the upper hand in any negotiations. All that stress weighing on his shoulders, gone in an instant.

        My guess is that Harry is feeling pretty great right now!

      • BloviatingLynn says:

        Maybe Harry felt like he had something to prove in standing up to them on his own, because the narrative is that he’s under her thumb.

      • Shirleygailgal says:

        I’m hoping he has a lawyer in an earpiece during every single meeting, advising how to and/or how not to respond.

      • SpankFD says:

        Trauma very tricky thing. Right now he is in danger of feeling isolated and outnumbered. @shileygailgal Yes, yes, yes! He absolutely needs lawyer(s) sitting right beside him during the negotiations.

        I do wonder if the plan was for both MM and HW to return immediately and Harry was pressured into staying (by his dreadful family). Hmmm.

  52. Psu doh nihm says:

    The One-and-only, wayward, Rose-plucking wandering Willie wins again.

    Say that 10xs Real fast.

  53. Eugh says:

    The comments on the Sussex instagram are so disheartening. It’s a series of: M&H are disrespectful to spit on the Queen, you’ll divorce in 2 years, Kate and William are real loyal and classy royals, Meghan is a goldigger, we used to like you Harry but you’re being isolated by your wife like she’s a cult leader.

    It’s like celebitchy is the only place with some logic that William is HORRIBLE brother, horrible person and this family is toxic as hell.

    • Guest2.0 says:

      And the trolls keep trying to infiltrate and infect CB with their hateful, toxic nonsense. Thanks to Celebitchy & team for doing a great job moderating comments.

  54. Over It says:


    Exit is the new gate.

  55. Myra says:

    Is Kate working or still celebrating her Birthday?

  56. celialarson12 says:

    I think William`s ( Kate also) seemingly uncaring approach to royal duties is due to some underlying issues and Charles and the Queen know it. It seems that the expectations on this couple are so low as to be non existent. Why would a several years married future king and wife seem almost eager and fine doing projects with his younger unmarried brother instead of forming some autonomy.

    The future futures are for the general events like receptions and banquets while the likes of Sophie Wessex ( even Andrew) are giving the responsibility of showing Kings and Queens around. Over 35 years old and still being treated like children ?

    If the man to go to Richard Kay can refer to William as a ticking time bomb in the year 2020, whether in connection with his brother or any other issue, what does that say of William as a person. Provoke him he will pull the rag under them all.

    • AMM says:

      It is odd that Kate and William get away with doing so little. That seems to be ok with HM for some reason, but I dont think Charles will allow it to continue.

      And speaking of Wills temper, the DM just did a new article claiming that the Sussexs are the crowns greatest asset so he’s working closely with Harry to keep them in the fold and has vowed to stick by Harry’s side no matter what he chooses. It of course included an interview with someone who places the blame on Meghan, but it was still surprising to see them write something relatively positive. And I feel like William will not be happy that his brother and sister in law are seen as the monarchs greatest assets.

      • notasugarhere says:

        That isn’t positive towards Harry and Meghan. That is Petulant William seeing how everyone saw through his scheme, how the leak and rush about this story points straight to him. Just as he did with Andrew, trying to ride in last minute like a white knight on a horse with his sources claiming HE was the one demanding Andrew was thrown out. He knows the PR tide turned against he and Kate quickly, and he’s back peddling as fast as he can.

  57. Reece says:

    This made me violent.

  58. Carolind says:

    OK I am British/Scottish and keen on the royals although I don’t know if they are a good thing. I don’t blame the Queen and Charles over this. Charles got a bad press because of Diana/Camilla but he has always worked and so has the Queen. Charles was also always closer to Harry than William and I think both he and the Queen have tried to help Meghan and Harry. The Queen apparently made a point of dropping in to see them at Frogmore on a regular basis.

    The British press – or some of it – has been toxic about Meghan because she is not white. They got away with it because a lot of readers felt the same. William has been toxic to Harry and Meghan but I am convinced he treated his father in the same way. In interviews it was always the Queen he said he went to for advice, he praised his mother but his father never got a word. Once or twice Kate especially shoved herself on and off balconies ahead of Charles and Camilla, didn’t seem to communicate with Camilla.

    I knew who Meghan was before she met Harry as I loved Suits and thought she was beautiful. When she hit the RF and got on so well with Charles I did think that changed the dynamics with W and K. Suddenly they were the outsiders. I desperately wanted Meghan to do well but one or two things I have to say. Although I prefer Harry I think both he and William a couple of entitled brats. One example is that Charles has offered the running of his marvellous Prince’s Trust to both of them and they refused. It would have been a fantastic job for Harry who should never have left the army.

    The only other thing is it would have done them no harm to visit the quite poor town of Dumbarton in Scotland of which they had been made the Earl and Countess. That should have been one of their first engagements. I do think too they have shown a lack of consideration money-wise to the ordinary British people. What was Meghan thinking of being photographed in a £57000 dress when there are homeless people out there, people visiting food banks. I know other royals just as bad but I expected more from Meghan somehow. I don’t think they are 100% perfect but who is? As for saying Diana would have made a difference, she could be toxic. The fact she was so friendly with Richard Kay says it all. She would have been so jealous of K and M.

    I think the Queen and Charles will try and do what is best but the monarchy comes above all else although Charles did not always think that. William should be doing at least twice the engagements he is and mixing with all the people all over the UK, not just niche groups near London.

  59. Bread and Circuses says:

    I’ve got a different take on the falling out.

    I think Harry feels the death of his mother very keenly, even still. I think there are things he strongly believes shouldn’t have happened to her.

    One, of course, is that she shouldn’t have been hounded literally to death by the tabloid press, but I think the second is he believes she shouldn’t have been cheated on. Even if he’s forgiven Charles and gets along well with Camilla, I think Harry takes it to heart that a man shouldn’t do that to his wife.

    And William probably DID do it. I think *that* is what the brothers really fell out about. Although there were hints that things weren’t totally smooth after the wedding, to my mind, they weren’t frosty until the rumours about William and Rose got out.

    Harry has every intention of being a good husband to Megan, and I suspect he and Megan were both outraged at William cheating. But Kate and William (mostly) closed ranks on the issue, which means, to maintain their facade, they have to treat Harry and Megan (and the valid opinions they hold) as the enemy.

    Which is petty but also depressingly normal for families with a bunch of drama. And I think it’s what woke Harry up to the fact that his own family is not supporting him. Also, he’s no longer third in line to the throne, so it’s probably occurred to him that he really doesn’t have to do this anymore. He can leave, and the monarchy will be fine without him. He doesn’t have the same level of duty he once did, and he does have his own separate family to be a part of now.

  60. Shannon Bullock says:

    The description of William, Kate, and Harry as a “warm-hearted trio delighting the world” and Meghan as a “dominating…worldly divorcee” makes me want to hurl.

  61. M.A.F. says:

    They all need therapy. And I don’t care what type of the therapy either, either traditional sit-down and talk with a professional (and that is ALL of them, the brothers, the wives, Grandma, & dad) or get into a ring and duke it out. They are airing their family drama to the public which, from my understanding from watching The Crown, they shouldn’t be doing.

    One person who is loving this? Andrew. No one is talking about Andrew any more.

  62. JRenee says:

    This seems like something Harry has wanted for awhile. Having a wife and son seemingly aided in his decision. I can’t imagine being hurt by my family in the way that Harry has. William seems like he’s hell bent on destroying the future of the monarchy as his way out. This entire thing should have caused the family to surround the Sussexes publicly and yet they repeatedly were left to fend for theirselves. William is put of control, no other way to spin this.

    • Feeshalori says:

      William is a spoiled and petulant man-child who kicks his blocks, curls his lip and whines that if he can’t have what Harry has, then Harry can’t have it too. So destructive in a person his age when his actions have such far-reaching and drastic ramifications.

  63. Busy Bee says:

    Here is the thing that the Queen, Charles and William don’t get. Harry will walk away from them. He will leave his titles and money behind. Perhaps none of them have married for love and that’s why they don’t get it but his wife and child are more important than them all.

    It’s to their benefit to let him work with them in what ever capacity he is willing to because on his own he will outshine them all. He has the backing of some very rich and powerful people who can connect him with funding sources. They are idiots. Will over played his hand. It’s telling that Harry wants his wife and son no where near the sh!’t show that is about to go down.