Tom Bradby: The Sussexes are leaving because of toxic ‘personal splits’

HRH Sussexes Visit -  Tuesday 7 January  -  Canada House, London

Tom Bradby is the documentarian who made Harry & Meghan: As African Journey last year, the documentary about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s African tour, which featured candid, emotional interviews with both royals. There were repercussions for the Sussexes’ documentary and their emotions, and it was clear that the first year of marriage had been incredibly hard on them because of outside forces. Obviously, Bradby got a front-row seat to the Sussexes in transition – now we know that they were already discussing their future plans and how they would likely need to step away from all of it. Bradby gave an interview this week, and I guess this is closer to the Sussex narrative on things, which is a nice respite from all of the narratives coming from Kensington Palace, honestly. Some highlights from Bradby’s interview:

Sussexit is mostly about personal stuff within the family: It “is just really bad personal splits — that’s the honest truth… There’ve been a lot of fallouts; a lot of harsh things were said around the time of the wedding. And it’s gone a bit too far. And certainly the rest of the family find Harry and Meghan very difficult and, from Harry and Meghan’s point of view, they’re just being driven out as they see it. And it’s sad.”

The toxicity: “There are going to be so many complications, so many controversies. There needs to be a peace deal really soon because this is so toxic, there’s so much anger and, to be honest with you at the moment it looks like it might get worse, not better.”

The declaration of independence: “It was, in effect, a declaration of independence…My impression is they’re pretty philosophical about it. [It’s] ‘We are making a break for independence and freedom here. You wanted a slimmed-down monarchy. There’s no place for us in it. We need to learn to live on our own. We want to get on and do that.’ They’re philosophical as in it’s up to [the royal family] — protection, Frogmore, everything else, the titles. You want to take it all away, fine. That’s okay. But it’s sort of up to you. We’d like to be involved, we’d like to do our charities, we’d like to support the Queen and we’d like to do stuff through the Commonwealth, but we accept that we’ve got no right to do that anymore.”

The battle with the media: “Not their battle with the media itself…But the split within the family about it. In their eyes, they’re on a moral mission to take on the media or the tabloid media and the excesses of it. Their view is, ‘If we don’t stand up to it, who’s going to? We have to take a lead on this.’ They think their family kowtows to the media and plays the game — the ‘game that killed my mother’ as Harry would put it. So a bit of it is about that. The rest of the family thinks this is mad — you can win a battle against the media but not the war.”

The Sussexes only announced when Sussexit was leaked to Dan Wooten: “Harry has been talking to his family for some weeks about all this. And certainly as I understand it what happened is he was asked by members of his family — or at least his officials — to put some of these ideas in writing. He said, ‘I really don’t want to do that because it normally leaks.’ And they were very insistent in order to go forward and discuss it properly it had to be put in writing. He did put it in writing, and it did leak. So yes, I don’t think [the royal family] got much heads-up as to the actual announcement, but they certainly knew what was going on. I think [Harry] felt once it had been leaked all bets were off.”

Meghan & Harry felt cut adrift by the royal family: “A lot of old friends of the couple took [Meghan’s words in the documentary] primarily to be aimed at the royal family, not the media… The atmosphere has been fractious within the family ever since those close to Prince Charles pushed out the Queen’s long-standing and well-regarded private secretary Sir Christopher Geidt two years ago,” he said. Geidt had long smoothed over any grievances between the boys and the rest of the family, particularly their father Prince Charles, with whom William and Harry have a complex relationship. “Central authority weakened, the rest of the family increasingly doing their own thing. There have been many battles within the family since then. As an outsider, it would take the wisdom of Solomon to work out who is right, who is wrong.”

The War of the Windors: “Some argue Harry and Meghan were too independent, too difficult, but their friends feel they have been driven out. Those close to the couple say that if the royal family is to be slimmed down, this is the right, indeed only, step. But complicated it will be. This is a new war of the Windsors. It’s not over yet.”

[From People Magazine]

People told Harry “to put some of these ideas in writing. He said, ‘I really don’t want to do that because it normally leaks.’ And they were very insistent in order to go forward and discuss it properly it had to be put in writing. He did put it in writing, and it did leak.” Yep. Leaked to Dan Wooten, who is tight with the Kensington Palace communications office. What do you know. Anyway… Bradby is right, there are complications on complications and I think the Sussexes did it the right way: they told the palaces what they want and now they’ve stepped back and they’re letting the chips fall where they may. As much as we’ve been talking about William’s petty little games, I am starting to wonder if Charles has some regrets about how he handled everything, and I wonder if he’s actually quite upset at the thought of Harry and Meghan leaving.

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  1. Becks1 says:

    I wonder if no one in the royal family actually thought they would do it. If there were all these meetings and plans, but they were playing along and humoring H&M, and then when it became clear they weren’t kidding and were serious, the royal family balked.

    These quotes though do not make the royal family look good. At all. Fallout around the wedding? Harsh things said? Family not supporting them? I mean, this makes the Windsors look like total asshats. Who wants to deal with that?

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      I get the sense that much of the aggro came from the Cambridges, with some coming from Andrew over Eug’s wedding being over shadowed. TQ will have stuck her head in the sand as she has always done and Phillip is too old to deal with the drama. It’s always been said that he ran the family with an iron fist.

    • Erinn says:

      I think honestly, it’s just because that sort of thing pretty much never happens. Never isn’t the correct word, because we know that abdications have happened and so on… but those are still outlier cases. And I think MOST people don’t want to rock the boat because they realize they have a ton of benefits that come with being royal.

      But! Most people also would never have to go through what these two did. It was way above and beyond when it came to the constant smear campaigns, the leaks, the racism.

      I think it was a perfect storm of things that had been brewing for a while, and they finally had enough, and I think Meghan gave him the confidence to say “what kind of life is this?”. I think in a lot of ways all of the family drama on both sides – as hard as that must have been – brought them to an even closer point in their relationship, and they feel like they can weather anything – together.

      “As an outsider, it would take the wisdom of Solomon to work out who is right, who is wrong.”

      That line got me, though. What a presumptuous, arrogant thing to say. As if the courtiers and reporters somehow have SO much more wisdom than the average ‘outsider’. But these people can’t see the forest through the trees. It doesn’t take more than a 7th grade reading level to be able to tell that at bare minimum the VAST majority of cases, H&M are the ones in the right. I’m sure there might have been the odd thing that wasn’t handled perfectly. But they’re still human, and we all get emotional at times, and sometimes we don’t do things perfectly. But again – I can’t even think of a single situation off the top of my head where either of the two were glaringly ‘wrong’.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Erinn – agreed. They’re not saints. I think we all know Harry has a bit of a temper. And Meghan is human and humans make mistakes. But, this seems so mishandled by the Windsors. they could have addressed this at the time of their wedding – “what do you see as your future role?” instead it seems that they were just supposed to fall into line, and I don’t think they were willing to do that if it meant being the punching bags.

        I also wonder how much the “slimmed down” monarchies in other countries affected their outlook. Like, maybe there was a sense of “do you actually need us? We can help out when needed and show up to the big stuff, but do you need us on a daily basis cutting ribbons?” Especially once Will and Kate basically said they WERENT going to be doing that kind of thing.

      • Nic919 says:

        I’m trying to figure why there would have been so many issues about the wedding. It was at a location used previously and while tom Markle was an idiot that ended up making Charles look good.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Nic – right? I cant figure it out either. Did someone want them to have their wedding in Scotland and do it later (like July, like Zara?) Was there pressure because of Eugenie? Was William mad the wedding was planned so close to Kate’s due date? Was it Kate’s white dress? (LOL). I don’t think the Thomas Markle incident would have caused the kind of fallout that would have wreaked havoc between family members, you know? stressful for Meghan and the staff for planning purposes, but not for the family overall.

        I read a Richard Kay comment yesterday – apparently a younger royal asked Meghan where they went on their HM, and Meghan said they weren’t sharing this info. That was presented as a “theyre so private and stuck up” but I think its another case of just making the royals look bad – no wonder she didn’t tell you, younger royal! You went to the press anyway! (It had to be either B or E, James and Louise have no interest, lol).

      • Mac says:

        @Nic919 I am wondering the same thing. It seems like it was a pretty straightforward royal wedding.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        ““As an outsider, it would take the wisdom of Solomon to work out who is right, who is wrong.””

        I think he is trying to say that unless you know EVERYTHING it is hard to judge perfectly.

      • Veronica S. says:

        I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of it was about their son, too, to be honest. It’s one thing to deal with that kind of media storm as an adult. It’s another thing to have to think about it’s impact on your kid, and I imagine at some point Harry started to inevitably compare it to what his mother went through. Kids have a way of reframing issues outside your own perspective.

    • Looking at this only as Charles, the future unpopular king, I think Charles got a golden goose in Meghan. He hasn’t been more popular in years than when he walked her down the aisle at wedding. He had a golden opportunity with Meghan to help him rise as she put herself to work for the Firm. Sadly, according to ALL the books on him, he dithers — can never seem to make up his mind or stand firm on anything for the longest time. I think he and the Queen have kowtowed to William to the point where he has just screwed over something that could have been very special for his reign. And that isn’t even looking at what he has done to his personal relationship as a father to Harry. Charles is as disgusting as William in all this and has just as much blood on his hands.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Anger from W&K that Harry and Meghan were so popular, even with the scaled down wedding? Anger from Harry that Kate didn’t shut down the stories about Meghan making her cry? More anger from Harry when no one in the royal family shut down the lies about the tiara. Pressure and anger from the RRs that only one photographer was allowed inside, one central feed, etc.

  2. Aang says:

    If they weren’t planning to announce it and bolt they would not have have left the baby in Canada. The story of the leak forcing the announcement doesn’t make sense only because Archie stayed in Canada.

    • Maria says:

      Nope, I disagree. If they had been planning to announce it and bolt Meghan probably wouldn’t have even come back. The fact that she came shows that she and Harry wanted to have discussions on this, but were pre-empted. And the further proof is that she left so quickly, but Harry stayed.

      • Angelique says:

        I read that their visit to Canada House was their chance to get Canadian visas and work permits (people must apply for those from their home country). So IMO this whole thing had been planned for some time, but poorly as so many family members appear to be hurt.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I don’t see them showing up for a public visit to apply for visas. That would have been done privately without anyone knowing. When she flew back to apply for visa issues before the wedding, she flew in and out of Chicago with only a cell phone sighting.

      • BabsORIG says:

        @Angelique, please don’t believe everything you read or hear, sometimes those speculations are false.
        If the Sussexes were in Canada over Christmas, it means they already had obtained visas in order to visit our country. Furthermore, British and American nationals don’t apply for visas in their own countries. There are agreements in place that allow us to travel between countries without first obtaining visas prior to travel. Secondly, get work visas to come and work where? The work visa is a process that takes a long time and yr employer must convince ciCanada that there are no Canadians that can work that job that they’ve hired a foreigner for. Thirdly, and this is a rare, in the event the Sussexes applied for visas prior to travel last Dec, they had to have been given 10 year visas so no, the visit to Canada house was not to apply for visas or work permit.

      • Nic919 says:

        American and British citizens don’t need visas just to visit Canada. They can stay up to six months as visitors. Work visas are a different story but they weren’t working while in BC.

    • MariaS says:

      You’re assuming the leak came after they’d left Archie in Canada. What if they’d gotten a heads up that it was happening?

      • Becks1 says:

        I don’t think they were even planning to announce it this week, TBH. They were clearly ready to go but I think this was a flying visit home probably to hold some final meetings on it.

        ETA – also, they could have done this announcement from Canada. Nothing they did (website, IG announcement) involved them being in the UK. That’s why I think it was not supposed to be this week.

      • Hel says:

        In terms of visas – I know the Australian system has ‘high roller’ visas (for want of a better name). That is, visas for individuals which are quite expensive to apply for and for which the individuals must be able to demonstrate a high net worth, usually in the millions. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are eligible for a similar visa with Canada; the visa class is not usually well publicised to the average person.

    • herladyship says:

      I completely agree! I think the plan was leave the baby, quit and get out all along.

      • Liz version 700 says:

        Yep, also agree with this. They came back for meetings and were boxed in by the leak and the Royal Family’s BS.

    • lookinglikeasnack says:

      I agree with you

    • Pineapple says:

      Who on earth would deny that the leak caused the announcement????????? Leaks are what this whole thing has been about from day one. WHO is talking badly to the press about Meghan and Harry? Of course they announced after the leak. This is what they were dealing with.

      Dear Gosh. How horrid.

    • Nicole says:

      I agree with you

    • Chica says:

      If you visit Dan Wootens page on twitter, he has posted an article where he says he gave the Sussexes 10 days after learning about their request and it would explain the bigger picture behind the leak and leaving Archie. The disagreement is really about the rumor the queen did not want the message they posted to be released. However, Tom Bradby speaks on the fact that Harry understood something differently than what’s being reported.

      • notasugarhere says:

        William sold his brother out fully a full two weeks ago, right around when he also sold out their location in Canada. Straight from William to Wooten. Check.

      • Amy Too says:

        Remember after the RR had their meeting at KP and “big announcements in the new year” were teased? Was William already hinting at Harry and Meghan stepping back? We all assumed the big announcement(s) would either be projects finally dropping for the Cambs or maybe a pregnancy announcement. But if William leaked that Harry and Meghan were stepping back at the same time that he leaked their vacation spot (as the two things are tied together), then it makes sense that RR were hinting at a “big announcement,” and the timeline works for Wooten giving the Sussexes 10 days notice before he dropped the bomb. It also makes a ton of sense why Harry NEEDED to meet with the Queen and his Dad ASAP upon returning home and the fact that he was rebuffed and had his meeting with TQ cancelled must’ve just been further proof to him that not only did they not care about ironing out this plan in general, they also didn’t care if it leaked and the stories painted Harry and Meghan as being fired from the family. What a gut punch that must’ve been.

  3. Sofia says:

    This was going to happen. Whether now or when William takes throne. I didn’t think they would stick around for his reign anyway.

    I just think BP wanted to release this on their terms (aka make the Sussexes look like they were basically fired) or wait for the finer details to be finalised

    But since it got leaked, the Sussexes decided to release it on their terms before people end up theorising for months. This is literally a case of time will tell. Time will tell if all of this is the right decision to make.

    Do I think details need to be finalised more? Yeah. And had Meghan and Harry released this on their terms, it probably would have.

    But like I said, they were leaving eventually. Not this soon but they were gonna leave

    • Absolutely as Meghan is known for doting her i’s and crossing her t’s BEFORE anything goes public. This mess is about William’s need to control the narrative and punish Harry and Meghan.

  4. Maxie says:

    They Sussexes will probably be able to leave with some perks attached to unbreakable NDAs and possibly some heavy political restrictions. They royal family probably don’t want them to publicly endorse the Democratic candidate at the convention or something.

    Charles will cut them off if they leak the tea they know about William. They’re probably using it as blackmail to secure the Duchy and/or the security costs. Everyone has everything to gain by keeping their mouth shut.

    • H says:

      I’ve said Charles was a crap father for about 20 years and this proves it. I’m sad Diana didn’t live as I doubt this drama would have been happening, if she did. And yes, I’ve always been Team Diana. Charles treated her like sh*t with the Camilla thing, especially in the early years of their marriage when Diana was still naive. (Not talking about later years when she became quite media saavy).

      I’m rooting for H&M to get away from this cesspool of dysfunction and live happy, fulfilling lives while Charles and William turn on each other and play their petty games.

    • Guest2.0 says:

      Charles better watch his back. If this makes Charles anymore unpopular, he may not make it to the throne. William may already have his sites on being King William sooner rather than later.

      • pottymouth pup says:

        if Charles were to abdicate (or die) before the Queen dies, would the crown go to William or would it go Andy?

      • ArtHistorian says:

        The line of succession is Charles – William – George. If Charles died before the Queen, the crown would go straight to William. However, that scenario is very unlikely since the Queen is extremely old.

      • notasugarhere says:

        They would never skip Charles. If nothing else, it puts the tax-free transfer of private funds in jeopardy.

  5. Digital Unicorn says:

    This isn’t over and I think H&M will drop whatever they have on the Cambridges as William is too stupid to know when to stop. He will retaliate against these stories as he will not want he or his family to be seen negatively.

    The Sussex’s are not done burning the bridge down.

    • Green Desert says:

      I have been thinking this too…there’s a lot more about the Cambridges that we’ll find out about in due course, and it won’t be pretty. I think it has something to do about the reports that have come out that the details of the rift between the brothers can’t be reported on in the media for legal reasons. There’s something in the lawsuits that looks bad for the Cambridges.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        Yes, I think the evidence that the Sussex’s have come from that lawsuit and they are going to force the tabloids to hand over the evidence from their sources. It’s not going to go well for the Cambridges and the Middleton’s – both are up to their necks in the campaign against H&M.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Either hand over the evidence and/or a massive payout and a media code deal moving forward in how the Fail and others are allowed to cover the Sussex family.

  6. emmy says:

    If the Firm really were a company, it would have gone bankrupt by now. What a clusterf*ck. QEII clearly lost the plot but what I want to know is what happened with Charles? How the hell did it go from walking her down the aisle to crickets during all this?

    This family is basically a professional organization, they need to get their sh*t together. Who the hell wants a weak Chuck as King? And when your employees are leaving the sinking ship, you need to wake up.

    • LadyLaw says:

      My guess would be that Charles didn’t want to get involved in a dispute between his sons. He seemed to be the one to take Harry’s plan the most seriously and to be the nicest to them but that ultimately everyone in their family still treats Harry like a little boy.

    • JaneBee87 says:

      +1

    • The Recluse says:

      Didn’t Harry have the closer relationship with Charles growing up?
      For years the story was that those two were close, so I am waiting to see what Charles actually does or what sort of influence he has on the arrangement. He may be the key to the whole negotiations going fairly for Harry.
      William will be sorry when his brother isn’t there to pull the attention off of him anymore.

    • Betsy says:

      I think the Queen has lost the plot, too. I think Charles is probably fighting the palace staff – I’m not a big follower of the stories, but if the Crown and a few similar places are right, the machine really has enormous power.

      I made a comment about William and what I think his real issue is but I think it got deleted. I think William is being granted extra extra latitude beyond that extended to the second in line, and I think that’s why this is so messy.

      • February Pisces says:

        I think after Diana, Charles reputation was pretty much done. But he has slowly worked to build himself back up. But a lot of people haven’t forgiven him or forgotton. For years people wanted to skip a generation to William. I think with the queen having lived so long, most people can live with the fact charles reign won’t be a long one. But now William has revealed himself to be the prick he is, they can’t have two heirs who are unpopular or the whole thing will buckle. They are desperately trying to stop anything bad about William going mainstream, but they can’t control the rest of the internet. Without William after Charles, there really isn’t any in keeping it going, hence the need to protect him at all costs.

    • But they are not a professional organization. They are a family who by their very birth think they have been handed the keys to the kingdom directly from God. Everything is about them, everyone is in service to them and their wants and needs. Everyone else — including their spouses — are serfs.

    • Nucks says:

      This! The Royal family is the biggest grade-A reality show in the world and the hottest two cast members just spun off. And the royals are a major export and pull in so. much. money. The Queen and Charles should really question wtf is going on. They need verticality and they need to clean house of all these courtiers (sorry, American, don’t know who tf courtiers are but they sound like lobbyists).

      It’s a sickening waste of brand, profit and actual good that could be done by this institution.

      • emmy says:

        I like the reality show analogy. My guess is the whole world views them that way but they themselves haven’t realized it yet or refuse to. If the Queen still thinks about duty and the Crown first and foremost, she hasn’t been out much in the past 20 years. There’s a huge disconnect between what we want from them vs what they think they should give to the public.

        People don’t want symbols anymore, they want human beings. If this godawful sh*tshow is how they want to keep going just to protect an institution? Oof.

        I would kill to talk to Chuck. I don’t even care about the rest, his role in this fascinates me.

  7. KA says:

    I just keep thinking about how sad this all is. I don’t blame them one bit, but it isn’t just a job that is blowing up. It is a family.

    • goofpuff says:

      I don’t think it’s sad. I always think it’s happy when people can escape toxic family members. They can be free which is a liberating thought. I think the fairytale we’re all fed about how families are supposed to be is a bunch of crap. Families come in all shapes and sizes and not necessary related by blood.

      I think they’ve found a new family, one that will support them. and that’s great things to be happy about.

      • LindaS says:

        Which new family did they find? Do you mean Oprah, Clooneys, Obamas and more celebrities?

      • Vava says:

        I agree goofpuff. They are escaping a very toxic family and I think they are doing the right thing. Life is too short to be miserable.

      • Sass says:

        Goofpuff yes. Totally agree.

        LindaS stop looking for trouble. They have Meghan’s mother and their friends. They left Archie with Jessica Mulroney, someone she’s known for many years. Go pick a fight somewhere else.

      • JaneBee87 says:

        @goofpuff Couldn’t agree more!

      • Fabuleuse15 says:

        @Linda, they are strong people who can stand on their own two feet. They’re creating their own family with a lovely mother/mother-in-law/grandma, Archie’s godparents (I’m beginning to understand the secrecy now), along with a strong support system of loyal and caring friends — people without whom I’m certain she couldn’t have survived this. It’s time like these you find out who your real friends are. Diana didn’t have any of that in spite of having a mother and three siblings. Blood relatives often look good only on paper.

        The Middleton family model is not the only great one, and when Kate’s life with William becomes truly unbearable five to ten years from now, if that long, who knows how much the Middletons will be able to be there for her. Their futures are no longer tied to Kate’s. Her siblings will be busy focusing on their own families, sun bathing with their in-laws, and must alternate Xmas with their in-laws.

        The Sussexes are creating their lives. Outside of the cesspool, they’ll be doing just fine.

      • Mustlovedogs says:

        Thank you @goofpuff. Some of us weren’t blessed with picture perfect families which fit the Hallmark fantasy. That doesn’t mean we can’t create/find our own.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Saw this online during wedding coverage. One of the journos made a snide comment about the number of family members on Meghan’s side of the church. Robin Roberts slapped them down with, ‘Not all family is blood’.

    • BRE says:

      I honestly think the only one who showed love in Harry’s family was his mother. Now Harry is spending time with people outside of The Firm and seeing how kind and loving most people Megan spends her time with are and realizes he has been holding on to the expectation of who is expected to by the rest of the family. Like having grown up in a cult, it’s hard to break away. The Queen came out looking TERRIBLE after Diana died and the only thing that really saved her reputation were Harry and Will. Pedo Andy has not helped her lately so she really needs to step it up here and now allow this backstabbing to continue. Will was happy with his brother when he kept to his lane of being the wild, inmature spare. Will has been told since birth that he will one day be King so imagine what that does a child to grow up believing they will have that kind of “power”. He hates having a younger brother that is stepping in his light.

    • I agree KA. That’s the true tragedy isn’t it.

  8. Christina says:

    Meg and Harry look happier in recent photographs. That says all I need to know.

    • Mustlovedogs says:

      So true @Christina.! Makes me smile to see that true happiness. They both look radiant. (As opposed to “incandescent “ lol)

  9. carmen says:

    Are the leaks suspected to be from staff or the royals themselves? If hired employees are doing this, maybe it’s time for the royals to clean house….More pathetic if royals – such as William – are going to the media directly. William is the one who wants privacy and has a history of hating the press isn’t he?

    • ShazBot says:

      The fact that solving this isn’t their biggest concern speaks volumes. You’d think they’d be more concerned with figuring out who is selling out their family.

      • carmen says:

        True.

      • Royalwatcher says:

        ShazBot and Carmen – that just proves to me that the leakers are working with permission from their royal bosses. So Wooten’s KP source is working with the permission or encouragement or at the direction of the Cambs. Otherwise, yes, you’d think they would have been fired by now.

    • Val says:

      Prince William’s Communication Secretary is “friends” with Dan Wooten, the journalist who broke the story in the Sun, making Harry and Meghan decide to release the website. It’s pretty obvious PW is behind the leaks.

    • Nic919 says:

      If the employees are leaking this info they need to be fired. For the situation to be so bad that Harry knew it would be leaked when written down is just not acceptable. What other kind of organization can last with no respect for privacy?

      If it’s William, then he needs to be called out on it. Because this ran against what the queen wanted and blew up any plans of making this a smooth transition.

      • Becks1 says:

        I wonder if part of the “crisis talks” have involved yelling at William, lol.

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        TQ and Chuck won’t call out William and thats part of the problem – he behaves the way he does as he knows he will get away with it.

        The only way to deal with the leaks from William (and the others) is to expose them – that way people will question what is being ‘leaked’ and doubt its authenticity. Plus it will put him under pressure to prove himself as someone who should be King. It will also put an end to the machinations of the Middleton’s once and for all.

      • JaneBee87 says:

        @digital unicorn William is going to make such a sh*tty king.

        I’m a life long monarchist, but his behaviour towards M&H the past two years gives me zero confidence in his ability to reign. If we can’t trust him with intimate details of his brother’s private family life then how the hell can he be trusted with state secrets? I can only hope his reputation for being thick and lazy ensure that he never gets beyond the top page of the red boxes. But even then his own courtiers will probably be dialling up The Sun or Daily Mail with it. Hot new tip! Here are the nuclear codes.

      • Chica says:

        @digital unicorn

        The reason they won’t let Williams action be exposed is bc it will jeopardize the entire institution of the Monarchy. The public will see them for the terrible ppl they are, who would willfully have a hand in undermining his brother and his young family, participating I. The media abuse they’ve received. That won’t do at all.

  10. ShazBot says:

    Man…the Royal Family has got some ISSUES and they had better get their heads out of their own butts if they have any hope of figuring it out.

    Old, white, rich British people are super racist and someone I know has family who said they’re all “being very brave” about having a black woman in the royal family. So I’d bet they’re all feeling that way – they’re being brave and tolerating her, and patting themselves on the back for doing so. And to Harry, Meghan and any decent human, that is NOT enough. “But what more do you want? You’re so needy and demanding!”
    I’ll bet they thought if they ignored it long enough, it would just settle back into the status quo.

    Eff that and eff them. I wish Harry and Meghan the best!

    • Spicecake38 says:

      Yes to the disgusting racism.I haven’t read a DM article in so long but went there yesterday where they described Meghan as a biracial woman who descended from slaves.And how wonderful the RF are so accepting or some BS along those lines.

    • Guest2.0 says:

      “said they’re all “being very brave” about having a black woman in the royal family”

      That speaks volumes about the mindset of the these people. Imagine being a member of the Commonwealth (the majority of whom are people of color) and knowing those old British empire, colonialist attitudes still prevail amongst the British ruling class. I hope more Commonwealth countries leave as well as Scotland and Ireland. The sun really does need to finally set on the British Empire.

    • Jane'sWastedTalent says:

      Social climbers make the worst snobs/bigots, lol. The BRF isn’t even that old- there are many older and finer families in Europe, even in England. The Saxe-Coburg und Gothas are just very prominent and very wealthy. Which isn’t necessarily admired either.

      • Jane'sWastedTalent says:

        Forgot to add (and this was actually my point, not just slagging on the Windsors) it’s beyond ridiculous to think there would be any shame in being descended from slaves, or to try to shame someone in that way. We are *all* descended from slaves, just like we are *all* descended from kings. You just have to go back far enough.

  11. Sunshine says:

    What really bothers me about the British Royal Family is that they are awful people and very petty. Look at the Swedish Royal Family. That slimline was handled with ease and maturity. I am sure the Sussexes would have left in the same way as Madeline (which is what I expected) if Prince William was not so immature.
    Pettiness, jealousy and vindictiveness never ends well. They are led by tabloid reporters working in the palaces instead of common sense. Is this really the monarchy we want?

    • Nic919 says:

      I agree. Harry is trying to do what the Swedish royal family managed to do with a smooth press release and lack of chaos. This is a mess. Whoever leaked to Dan Wooten needs to be exposed.

      • Becks1 says:

        Agreed. this was always going to be surprising I think (at this stage) but it could have been a smooth transition with a well prepared roll out. And I think that’s what BP was planning, honestly, so I can see there being some sense of “omg Harry why did you jump the gun like this.” But, the Dan Wooten article changed things.

        I kind of wonder if harry pulled a [football players wife]. Remember….the one (I cant remember her name) who was telling stories to a few people so she could figure out who was going to the press and then revealed it on IG? I wonder if Harry told very few people so that in the end, he could be like “IT WAS YOU ALL ALONG.”

      • Lucy says:

        Colleen Rooney needs to come sort this

      • JaneBee87 says:

        @BECS1 and @NIC919 Wagatha Christie to the rescue! Yet it’s now clear is that TQ and Charles don’t actually care that William is leaking.

      • L4frimaire says:

        Exposed and sued. This leak was so destructive. How can anyone over there not see it for what it is. It was meant to destroy the Sussexes and it did, will not be surprised if he is given ultimatum to divorce or give up everything.

  12. leigh says:

    Where are the Fail’s and Sun’s headlines “Will LEAKS details of private family discussion” or “Royals wanted Harry’s plan in writing to leak to media” or “Christmas photo showdown: How the Queen sent a message to the DOS” or “Harry’s fury with Will’s leaks to the press” “No blindside here as DOS were told to make a plan to get out.”

    This is exactly Harry’s point: Every headline is twisted to make them look bad. I hope Martin Bashir is on the phone to Harry right now, setting up that Panorama interview where he spills all. At least now I am hopeful we’ll soon hear the real story straight from Harry’s mouth.

    • Originaltessa says:

      Honestly I don’t think there’d even be a monarchy in the U.K. without all the drama over the past 50+ years. It’s what has sustained people’s interest in these terrible people. It’s like a soap opera. Without the drama they’d just be boring, unattractive, fuddy-duddys

    • JaneBee87 says:

      @Leigh This is an excellent challenge! Come up with a ‘There, fixed it for you’ headline suggestion for every bonkers tabloid story on M&H. I’m not very good at it, but am going to implement immediately.

  13. naomipaige says:

    WTF is Tom Brady giving us his opinion? What’s up with that?

  14. Jj says:

    I’m confused, why the focus is on William throughout the comments here? Its clear that he leaked some news, but the way I read this interview, the biggest issue is Charles?

    • LW says:

      This! Charles is an @ss. He’s always been an @ss. Just because he’s grandpa looking now doesn’t make it any less true.

      • H says:

        He’s been an @ss since the 70′s, I’m old enough to remember all the gossip about him prior to marriage to Diana.

    • Mego says:

      Because I for one think William is a much bigger ass than Charles ever was. Charles problem is that he can’t stand up to William for some reason. Makes me wonder what William has on him.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Because Charles sees how good the superstar Sussex’s make him look – he clearly cares for Meghan you could see it in the way he walked her down the aisle.

      The problem is the Cambridges – they DID NOT like the fact that the Sussex’s made them look even more bland, boring, stupid and LAZY than they already did.

      Given that the press are STILL embiggening Kate at the expense of Meghan and blaming this all on her I can envision Harry torching that bridge between his himself and his brother – I still think they will drop what they can on how the Cambridges sold them out. H&M will be like the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, they will live their lives in North America away from the rest of the family with periodic visits for special events to support TQ and Charles. Harry is clearly done with his brother – that tells us that some serious serious sh!t has gone down between them.

  15. Myra says:

    How the RF works is crazy. Setting up meeting to talk to each other is ridiculous. The Queen controlling who gets married, divorce and where they live. Is it worth it? Not to mention being completely thrown under the bus because of jealousy and the like. I can only imagine that once Meghan found her self in this mess she wasn’t having it. There’s nothing “normal” about living the life of a British Royal. I couldn’t imagine them wanting that life for Archie….dimming his light for George who hopefully want be an ASS like his father. In America to be financially independent and have a good work ethic is applauded…apparently it’s frowned upon in the U.K.

    • Who ARE These People? says:

      Given the current USA tax laws and very visible celebrity nepotism, we know that extreme wealth has a way of erasing a good work ethic. Plenty of people in the U.K. work hard. It’s the Royals that only pretend they do.

  16. Queen Meghan's Hand says:

    It is going to be an absolute mess when William moves into second-in-line. This is totally off my own reading of Kaiser’s reporting and analysis these last years, but I think William and his Palace staff are solely to blame for the Sussex’s isolation. I think William is the hammer and Brexit is the nail for the British Royal Family. Am I being hyperbolic?

    • perplexed says:

      Yes.

    • Becks1 says:

      I’m not sure about the fate of the monarchy, but I do think William is largely responsible for Sussexit.

    • SIPNBUBBLY says:

      Will is going to make Charles’ reign a living hell.

    • Beach Dreams says:

      He’s already second in line but I get what you mean: when he becomes Prince of Wales (and thus becomes first in line), things are going to get a LOT messier.

    • ShazBot says:

      Yes and no. Given the extent of legislative work it would require to abolish the monarchy and change their whole government set up, it’s not as easy as 1+2=3.
      BUT I think between this leaving a bad taste in decent people’s mouths, and then the eventual economic apocalypse that Brexit will bring, people will be looking much closer at the $$$ used for the Royal Family and not seeing them in such a favourable light.

      • And yet Harry and Meghan being willing to become financially independent is currently being seen as the biggest outrage in the country!

      • SazzleB says:

        The RF are actually pretty cheap to run, and bring in a huge amount of revenue which means effectively they make a profit for the country. I’m not particularly royalist (and I think Wills particularly is a dick) but if we’re talking from a cost perspective, they are revenue generators, not a cost. We will need them more than ever post Brexit because we will need more drivers to encourage people to come here.

      • Guest2.0 says:

        Well, given the way the Sussexes are/have been treated and the ugliness that’s being exposed, England may not be a top tourist destination anymore for some people. It’s just like the damage Trump &Co. have done to the U.S. They’ve tarnished the U.S. image and many people no longer wish to visit because of it.

      • notasugarhere says:

        No, SazzleB they don’t. The official tourism agency of the UK publishes figures about it. The monarchy is a not a gain for tourism. More people visit LegoLand Windsor than visit anything related to royals (whether the royals are alive or dead). They cost 600 million a year, hidden in various budgets, and they do not bring in a profit.

        All of this happening in the face of 300 million being sunk into BP, and 80 million being sunk into Clarence House.

  17. Fortifiedblonde says:

    A Declaration of Independence strikes again.

  18. Snap Happy says:

    I finally sat down to watch the H&M documentary Tuesday night. Then Wed. The news hit. It was so interesting seeing those two things so close together. When H said during the documentary he, “wouldn’t be bullied into playing the games that killed his mother.” I took that as a shot to William. I got the sense that he didn’t appreciate William playing the PR/leak game. The next day when the news came out, It was obvious from the documentary they were unhappy for a long time. I think the documentary was them asking for support from his family.

    • Harla says:

      I agree. Harry wanted support from his family but instead he gets meetings with their aides and staff. Geez, why can’t this family just talk to one another??

    • Noli says:

      Charles even went to church with his brother Andrew after his bbc interview, but he can’t or won’t show support for his son?

      • Liz version 700 says:

        Noli that had to burn Harry. Charles would help the pedo have a soft landing, but wouldn’t take his son’s PLEAS for help against 2 years of torture as worthy of his time. Just spectacular parenting right there.

      • Where'sMyTiara says:

        @Noli, that stunned me as well. I thought he and Harry had a good relationship. But sweet fancy baphomet, it’s really like Lord of the Flies over there at KP/BP/CH.

        It’s probably unlikely, but I hope Charles is heartily sorry for the way he’s handled this, for Harry’s sake and not his own self-pitying reasons. Charles has now alienated a son, a grandson, and DIL that were all prepared to love and support him come what may. His eldest son’s petty ego and his own fear of confrontation was more important to him than that? Weak.

      • Va Va Kaboom says:

        The difference for Charles’ was that Andrew’s scandal had the very real potential of doing irreparable damage to the Institution and thereby himself. The constant abuse thrown at Meghan was viewed as a personal hardship she’d just have to buck up and take.

  19. Anilehcim says:

    At the end of the day, I think it all really boils down to how they’ve been treated. Harry has been pretty much beloved, but the minute he married Megan, a lot of people and mostly the media turned on him. This is a man who’s been vocal about how the media treated his mother which ultimately played a role in her untimely death and how that has impacted his mental health and his overall life. I think it’s clear that the signs are there that the media is trying to make Megan into a target in the same way they did Diana, and I give him kudos for saying “never again” and the both of them taking a stand.

    It’s always been bizarre to me the way the media and the average person can love a public figure one minute and want to see their head on a pike the next. The media has been extremely unfair to Megan and just because they’re public figures does not mean they aren’t human. What happened to Diana could happen again. I wish them well.

  20. Sarah says:

    I keep reading the headline as ‘Tom Brady’ and confusing myself…

  21. Goldengirlslover34 says:

    I remember when my friend was married her mother in law was soo toxic to her and her ex-husband never stood up for her. The mother in law appeared to be trying to compete and she tried everything to be the best wife including just being submissive. Years of therapy with different therapist (both religious and non religious) and feeling like a single mom she felt so broken and lost. Even a priest told her she’s tried enough.

    Well her ex was in shock and said that he didn’t think she would ever have the balls to pull the trigger and the mother in law was in a rage but she pushed through. I remember when she told me she was leaving him. She was on the way to the divorce attorney and she seemed so happy. I asked her if she was okay and she literally said “I feel free.”

    The fact is toxic family suck the life out of you. She told me that she didn’t realize how shackled she felt and though it would be hard she felt soo free and that made her happy.

    And that’s all that matters. Family shouldn’t make you feel changed. I’m happy for these Kids. So many people don’t stand up to toxic family members when it comes to their spouses and their marriages implode. Sometimes you have to take your spouse and baby and run. So many of my friends are tickled about this situation and these crazy kids standing up to bullshit for the sake of themselves and their own little family.

    • Vava says:

      Yes to all of this. My MIL is toxic too, but she hasn’t attacked me, she’s attacked her younger son, my husband. I’m supporting him and we are backing way off from her. She’s 97 and so hopefully this nasty situation won’t last much longer.

    • Sass says:

      Absolutely correct! I have said before on this site that I see parallels with Meghan’s situation and my own. My in laws liked me until it was clear my husband was going to marry me and everything changed. It has been 13 years since our first date, almost 12 years since we got married, and we no longer speak to most of them. If anyone does it’s my husband talking to his brothers. My mother in law is a nightmare. And it got so bad she was picking on our kids. I looked at my husband one day after seven years of marriage and said “if you don’t say something to her she will never stop until she dies or we get a divorce.” Yes you read that right – it took him seven years to finally tell her to lay off. Prior to that it was left to me to fight her or ignore her or tolerate her shit attitude. The truth is she would never have liked anyone my husband married because him getting married meant he was no longer providing the family with money and a scapegoat all in one (he’s the oldest and the only half sibling). I know this because not only had I tried for years to get them to like me, but they drove his last serious girlfriend away with the same behavior. My husband was homeless for a year living in his car bc he chose to stay with her so they made him move out. The other day out of nowhere my husband got a text from his mom. It was just a link about narcissistic parents. That was it. I lost control and texted her back and totally let her have it, my husband knew I did it but he was unhappy about it which I understand – he just wanted to ignore it but I just let her get to me this time. And she actually copied and pasted it and sent it to my husband to tattle on me! Like what the f? We tell each other everything and she still doesn’t get it. We blocked her number after he told her to leave him alone. Nobody deserves a family like that. And it really sucks when it’s on both sides like it is for Meghan and Harry. Then you add in the racism and it’s a million times worse.

    • Where'sMyTiara says:

      Felt that way when I cut off my family-of-origin finally, for good, a year after my wedding. Never looked back. 30yrs of abuse and you really feel lighter when you finally take that step.

      You can’t negotiate with people who want to destroy you to make themselves feel special.

    • A very good comparison. Harry looked so happy in the recent photo in Canada of him and Archie. I bailed from a toxic relationship myself that was similar to what you describe. There is a sense of loss over what might have been if the spouse had only stood up, but you are right that the sense of euphoric freedom is amazing. You just don’t realize when you’re in it how dark and hurtful it has truly become. It’s like going to sleep in a violent, never ending thunderstorm and waking up to a beautiful, sun kissed day.

    • Guest2.0 says:

      And everyone thought it was just the Markles being toxic. Harry and Meghan were catching it from both sides. So happy for them finally taking a stand and freeing themselves from both toxic families.

  22. Chelle says:

    I just want the nearly 40-year old princes to stop being referred to as boys. That’s it. That’s all. They are both men and men who are fathers no less.

    As mentioned yesterday, one big problem is that there is no real separation between business and family. Also, festering wounds never heal or heal well.

    All in all, I think Meghan was a change the family wasn’t expecting. She came to the marriage grown, independent and fully formed. The BRF didn’t adjust to that reality and seemingly don’t even know how to adjust. It must be hard moving from Edwardian sensibilities to modern times. Re royal spouses: All of the others quietly complied with the expectations but arguably only Sophie and Mike Tinsdall (sp) had had independent lives outside the royal orbit or who hadn’t been consciously groomed for that type of self-sacrificial upward mobility.

    I also think the BRF wasn’t expecting much of a change from Harry. He went from being a sad yet likable clown to being a man with a purpose. In their eyes THAT is the true crime against Meghan. She’ll never be forgiven for that and she and probably Archie will forever be outsiders because of that. It’s a shame because instead of seeing a new man who has tried to tackle a likely problem with alcohol/alcoholism as well as his underlying mental health issues they only see betrayal and strife. Honestly, though, isn’t it ironic that no matter what your social status is, your gender, your level of intelligence, wealth/poverty, achievement, religion, race/ethnicity or even your ability to be loving and compassionate it always causes friction when one party grows into a better, stronger version of themselves and the other party depends, even needs, the person to stay broken and shattered?

    I wish M/H luck!

    • HCR says:

      Bravo Chelle, you have nailed it. “Self sacrificial upward mobility” – who would want that other than the Middletons? She had a good life before and wants a good life for her family. They are solving problems TOGETHER which is the essence of partnership (and life is problems, theirs or anyone’s). I applaud them.

    • Chelle. — Sophie came into the family as a grown, independent, fully formed successful business woman. However, when she put her foot very wrong and got caught out — in order to stay in the fold — dropped everything to become a perfect royal wife. I think they thought if Sophie could be made to be what they demanded then so could Meghan

  23. DS9 says:

    So basically they can and are willing to weather media scrutiny if they have the support of their family.

    But they not only don’t have it, their family actively works against them.

    So bye.

  24. MD says:

    It’s so sad that they’ve been hounded out of the royal family, and out of the UK, it seems. I do feel that they are leaving on their own terms, but it just seems so unfair. I loved seeing them on their various tours. Do this mean they won’t be doing these kind of trips any more? SIGH!!!

    • Royalwatcher says:

      I actually think that they will and probably more frequently, because one of their comments was that they wanted to be able to work at a more continuous pace than they were currently allowed. So I think/hope we will see them out quite a lot!! And since no more royal rota, they will have better and more honest media following them (which will hopefully will cut down on the ridiculous articles afterward).

  25. Ninab says:

    harry has no clue the shit his family was gonna pull when he brought Meghan into the family. He declared that his family would become her family, implying that she wouldn’t have have to deal with her toxic family and would find acceptance in his. I don’t know if he was naive or what, but I think he feels deeply betrayed that they would treat her like this even knowing all that she’s been through w her own family. And I think he realized what that would mean for his baby boy too

  26. Lori says:

    I am no more mad at H&M for “leaving” than I was at Katie Holmes for grabbing her daughter and breaking free of Scientology.

  27. ooshpick says:

    strange days

  28. kyliegirl says:

    I agree that when the Queen’s Private Secretary left the wheels came off the wagon. For all the backlash about Harry and Meghan wanting the establish their brand, this is what the royal family is all about. After Diana died, the royal family rebranded themselves as a family, with the Queen as the doting Grandmother (remember she referred to herself “and as a Grandmother” during her speech before the funeral). They are a business with fragile egos and constant power struggles with grabs for money among members. Harry needed a father when he lost his mother. Charles I think tried, but he is hampered by his upbringing as well and just doesn’t have these skills. I knew something was up looking at the photos Clarence House posted celebrating the last decade. The photos were mainly of Charles and Camilla. No photos of either wedding of his son’s, no photos celebrating the birth of any of his grandchildren. Only one photo of William with Camilla (at Harry’s Inaugural Invictus Games!). The first photo they ever released from a diplomatic reception that included William and Kate. The photo from his 70th is the only photo to include Harry. And this photo is all about celebrating Charles. They are a fractured family. I know the royal family is different, but even though the Queen was not happy about making the speech before Diana’s funeral, they tried to humanize it. It would go a long way to say while sometimes as a family we don’t always agree, but will always support Harry and Meghan and Archie. They will always be part of our family. Similar to what the Swedish Royal family did when the took the titles away from the grandchildren who are not children of the direct heir.

    • CoffeeCoffeeCoffee says:

      this is one of smartest comments I have read on all this (and I am embarrassed to admit how much I have read about it!! LOL).

      Inter-generational trauma….

  29. BlueSky says:

    A quote from Malcolm X from 1962 still rings true today “The most disrespected person in America is the black woman. The most unprotected person in America is the black woman. The most neglected person in America is the black woman.”

    This can certainly be applied to black women all over the world. People don’t realize the mental, health, and physical toll racism takes on people. The tabloids zeroed in on Meghan for the same reason a lot of people do when they target WOC. They know no one will stand up to protect them. Between those two clowns mocking Blue Ivy for her looks, Jillian Michael’s stupid ass comments about Lizzo and now this mess just continues to prove my point that black woken will always be fair game for this kind of disrespect and dehumanization.

    I think Harry is afraid for Meghan and his family. The RF has proven they have no desire to protect and stand up for them for simply trying to modernize the monarchy.

    • Royalwatcher says:

      Well said!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

    • HCR says:

      Yes yes yes. Thank you. This is totally accurate. I am sure Meghan had to educate Harry about it, then he saw the lesson for himself.

      • Agreed. I think life with Meghan has been a real eye-opening, growth experience for Harry. Especially as it revealed the worst about his family and many of his friends.

      • Soupie says:

        @ JALowcountryLady
        Yes! Remember that crap a while back about Meghan distancing Harry from his (racist) friends? All this b.s. is about them too. Buh bye! I think Harry has outgrown them, or at least most of them.

    • Where'sMyTiara says:

      So much truth here! I honestly believe that the tabloid media would have been thrilled if their terror campaign against Meghan cost her to lose her pregnancy. They were clearly trying to get them to split up before the pregnancy was announced, and the pile on just went into overdrive after that. Were they trying to destroy Archie before he was born? Racism and the stress it produces has documented impacts on maternal mortality and health of the child. Media knew that, and pursued her anyway.

      And BRF, AT MINIMUM let it all happen – if they did in fact collude in the campaign against her during her pregnancy. They never had her back and I will never forgive Chaz or QE for that. It was racist, and unpardonable that they did not stand with Harry and Meghan.

  30. Nan says:

    The royal family is utterly tradition-bound and those traditions suppress what is great about Harry & Meghan. They’re fresh, modern, generous and highly creative. For most of the world, they personally hold all of the appeal and charisma the royal family currently has to offer, and everybody knows it. When your family needs to suppress or destroy what is great and good about you for the sake of the family, you need to step far away from your family. They really should make a complete break now – they’ve already been cast as the ‘fragile’ troublemakers of the family and like with all dysfunctional families, it’s always going to be that role or none.

  31. HK9 says:

    So it seems Harry was right all along. The PR for the RF is about to implode, because Harry and the rest of us have their number and they haven’t a clue.

  32. Dee says:

    The toxic British royal rota can’t keep their stories straight. First, the queen was blindsided by news of the split. Then she warned them not to send out the press release. How could both things be true? It all points back to the icky royal reporters getting left out in the cold, as they should be, for the way they’ve spun unflattering stories about Meghan since the get go.

  33. Jellybean says:

    I am British. I think it good they are slimming down the Royal family and if they want to live abroad that is fine with me. It is going to be hard sorting his money and assets from those that belong to the Crown and Country, but it needs to be done across the board if the slimlining is going to work.

    • Iris's Grandaughter says:

      @Jellybean the Royal Family seems to only be cutting out the only black member of their family. I think they hoped that they could bully Harry into divorcing Duchess Meghan so they could keep him. Having failed at that, he became collateral damage. While slimming down is fine. Where is the plan to scale back or cut out the white member of The Firm??

      • Agreed. I don’t even think Andrew has truly gone away. He’s only staying quiet and will be reintegrated. Because for them it has never been about his actions, it has only been about dealing with current public outrage. I’m sure he’s been told to play the game and this too shall pass.

  34. lanne says:

    Okay, so I was wrong about the RF never allowing Harry and Meghan to leave. I honestly thought they would realize how utterly catastrophic it would be to their brand. You have people all over the world siding with the Sussexes. The royal family looks bad. The British media looks bad. The UK on the verge of Brexit looks bad. Even the all-white BAFTAs looks bad. The UK looks provincial, racist, insular, and small. And when the dust is settled, can anyone really point to anything WRONG the Sussexes have done? Meghan’s Vogue was the best selling issue of the decade. Smartworks and Together cookbook created real money and real change to peoples lives, as does Invictus and Sentebale. What have Will and Kate accomplished? Now, the rest of their lives, they will be compared to the Sussexes and found wanting.

    More than that, they have LOST CONTROL OF THE NARRATIVE! And the Royal reporters have lost their best cast cow until Charlotte grows up. The Sussexes are OUT of Royal Rota. So the tabloids get no Sussex exclusives, ever. All they can do is bitch and whine about the Sussexes, but just like we saw with the Markles, how long can you tell the same story over and over without people losing interest? The more the Sussexes shine, the dimmer the Royal family looks, especially if they are dumb enough to rescind their titles. People trade off of the most tenuous of Royal connections forever (note Diana’s former chef yapping his mouth now). The Sussexes can forge their own path, and they have powerful people to help them do it, as opposed to the totally inept courtiers. The harder the RF come down on Meghan and Harry, the more foolish and petty they look, especially with HRH Prince Andrew Duke of York lurking around.

    I have been less critical of Kate than many here–I think she sees the writing on the wall for Charlotte and for the eventual wife of Prince Louis (who will have it the worst, assuming Louis gets married or even that he marries a woman). She’s stuck in her Stepford life with Pimp mama Carole Kardashian running the show. But she’s the one who has to live with William and his temper. Now the spotlight (she she doesn’t thrive in) will be even more magnified on her. Every timid speech will be compared to Meghan’s confident speeches. Broken Britain? It doesn’t exist. They ought to just admit to it now. The Cambridges ought to have thought: be careful what you wish for. It was such an easy call. Let the Cambridges reign in the Uk and let the Sussexes be the global ambassadors that the Cambridges don’t even want to be. Whoever posted this yesterday had it right: if the Firm were a real company, it would have gone bankrupt long ago. Birthright does not equal competence. Instead of being a dynamic force for the future, the British RF will mirror the Brexit UK: getting smaller, more insular, more isolated, and ultimately, more irrelevant.

    • Iris's Grandaughter says:

      @lanne Preach! Your thoughts are so well laid out and truthful.

    • Royalwatcher says:

      Lanne – yes a million times, yes!! Except I disagree with you on Kate and feel she is complicit in the smears and throwing Meghan under the bus. But otherwise, sing it, sister 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

    • Becks1 says:

      YES!!! I agree with almost everything you said except that I do think Kate played a role here. But, I also thought they would never leave the family, even like this (stepping back as senior royals) because I assumed SOMEONE there knew how bad that would look. I mean, how could they not realize how GOOD they looked after the wedding? Not just bc people love weddings – but Charles looked good, William looked supportive (I still remember him telling Harry they should stand when Doria walked down the aisle), etc. Even a year later, the picture of the Queen and Doria with Archie – remember what Omid said? About how much that picture meant to him and the thousands of others non-white people in the UK?

      This was so EASY for them. Welcome Meghan. It improves your brand. You look better for it. Whatever you actually WANT to do – welcome her. She is a force for good in more ways than one.

      And they failed spectacularly.

      • Where'sMyTiara says:

        Cosigned, because that was some real sh-t you just said. :nods:

      • ArtHistorian says:

        I think it is a combination of letting themselves be ruled by their egos and not really understanding how good they looked for welcoming Meghan – because they’ve spent their entire lives insulated from the larger world by a bubble of extreme privilege.

      • ShazBot says:

        All of this. It was so EASY and it was right there. They just had to take it.

      • Like playing Russian Roulette with a loaded gun. They have no one to blame but themselves.

      • MA says:

        People like to impute goodness and competence to royalty but I think we have all failed to realize how spectacularly mediocre, unaccomplished, out of touch, bigoted, and most of all stupid the vast majority of these people are, especially the ones who were born royal. Take a look at Andrew and the utter lack of self-awareness or anything between the ears. A bunch of only slightly smarter Andrews who have shot themselves in the foot.

    • The British monarchy has survived, been beheaded, and come back for a thousand years. They are like cockroaches. Nothing will kill them or change them.

    • Liz version 700 says:

      @Lanne you captured the situation precisely and stated it perfectly. I for one have lost interest in the Brexit Royals. I will be eagerly watching Harry Nd Meghan (title or no title). I also keep thinking be careful what you wish for. Especially if you are William trying to push out that you willl be the next Charles and Di. Dummies that coupling did not end well. Rooting for H & M and little Archie!

    • Stacy Dresden says:

      I truly believe Kate made a grave mistake in not allowing Meghan to become family and close confidante. She stood to gain considerably from Meghan’s Royal-outsider charisma, trustworthiness and creative talent.

  35. Az says:

    If Meghan has balls to be straight out of this in Canada with Archie only one thing could have caused it and that would be some serious disrespect within Royal family towards her.
    Sussexes keep on going! With change there is always a crisis. You must keep on going and don’t look back.

    • Becks1 says:

      Another good point. People are saying it was bad form for her to leave like that, but Meghan’s not a rude horrible person. She had a reason for leaving like that.

      Honestly, it makes me wonder if one of the things said that cant be forgiven was a racial slur.

  36. Oof says:

    Bridges being burnt.

    • Where'sMyTiara says:

      IMO it wasn’t the Sussexes who lit the bridge on fire – that was down to William, the media, BP, CH, and the grey suits.

      Sussexes just refused to be sacrificed on it when it caught fire.

  37. February Pisces says:

    I love how Kensington Palace just got outed for leaking their departure to Dan Wootton. Basically this is the first time it has been publically confirmed that Kensington Palace (William and Kate) are infact behind the leaks and thus the drivers of the smear campaign, not that we didn’t know that anyway.

    • Sass says:

      Haaaaaahahaha this is amazing. Probably my favorite part of the story. KP just got busted

    • betsyh says:

      It is very likely that it was KP because of their connection to Wooten. But I don’t think it has been publicly confirmed, has it? I wish a journalist would do an expose.

      • February Pisces says:

        Well Tom Bradby confirmed that harry was asked to put his ideas down in writing, harry said he didn’t want to to that because it would leak. Then he did put his ideas down in writing and it gave it to them, and it DID leak, via Dan Wootton of the Sun. I think harry , clearly always one step ahead, gave it in writing once he was ready to go, cos he knew exactly what was gonna happen. They look ready and prepared for this.

  38. Lily says:

    I’m not surprised William is behind it. No wonder Harry wants to get away from him so badly. I don’t blame he and Meghan one bit.

  39. Steph says:

    I think bc of how he was raised, Charles really does want to have a relationship with his children and grandchildren but bc of how he was raised he has no idea really how to do that. This might be upsetting him more bc he knows a separation like this will be unmendable as will be denying it. It’s like he recognizes the issue but has no idea how to address it.

  40. Mel says:

    Ahh, they’re just like us. The family picks one person/ branch to dump on and they expect it to continue because it always has, but once the dumped on person gets tired of the shenanigans, the family wants to be all ” What did we do??!!”

    • Sass says:

      Yep! “What happened?! They’ve gone crazy! She’s such a bitch! I don’t have time for drama!” Same shit different family lol

  41. Guest2.0 says:

    “We are making a break for independence and freedom here. You wanted a slimmed-down monarchy. There’s no place for us in it. We need to learn to live on our own. We want to get on and do that.’ They’re philosophical as in it’s up to [the royal family] — protection, Frogmore, everything else, the titles. You want to take it all away, fine. That’s okay. But it’s sort of up to you. We’d like to be involved, we’d like to do our charities, we’d like to support the Queen and we’d like to do stuff through the Commonwealth, but we accept that we’ve got no right to do that anymore.”

    Now all of those Monarch and direct line photos begin to make sense. They were definitely pushing the narrative that going forward, this and only this would be the face of the monarchy.

    Perhaps William’s power play was to dangle the loss of everything (royal privileges, titles, homes, etc) at the Sussexes if they didn’t get in-line and continue the status quo. Continue being thrown under the bus, bullied and used as scapegoats and in addition dim their light and not overshadow W&K. William probably was incensed that Meghan was more adept and qualified at Duchessing than Ms. Never Put a Foot Wrong. Only William didn’t count on the Sussexes saying naw, we good, we out. You can take it all, we just want our freedom. And once the Sussexes didn’t play ball, the goal shifted to control the narrative around the Sussexes departure. William wanted to make it look like they were being fired from the Royal Family rather than leaving by choice. The Sussexes were being set up again, only this time they were ready.

    • Harla says:

      Seeing Charles trying to use money/funding as a way to bring the Sussex’s to heel is hysterical and sad. The RF just don’t get it, the Sussex’s will be fine without any of the perks of being a royal which now seem to the chains which hold them down.

      • Tourmaline says:

        It is funny. The Sussexes could sign at a minimum tens of millions of dollars worth of deals tomorrow for media collaborations, interviews and endorsements. They will be fine. They are totally well connected and have a network of ultra wealthy people willing to lend them their houses and anything else while they set up their future. They don’t need the Duchy money and they don’t need Frogmore. The only slight sticking point I see is working out security costs with the Home Office and possibly Canada. But something will get hammered out.

        Even if all titles were taken away today~ they could go by first names only like Cher and be just fine and totally identifiable and famous with all the cachet and earning power they have with titles.

        The tabs are starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel with commentary. They’ve dig up ancient royal photog Arthur Edwards to say Meg ruined Harry’s life and various flunkies from Diana’s staff. I just saw something where some old royal commentator was rushed to print to say that it seems that Meghan and Kate’s relationship must be strained based on Meghan not going to KP to wish Kate a happy birthday yesterday. Gee whiz Sherlock Holmes what a deduction!

      • Harla says:

        Tourmaline, well QE could possibly take away their Dukedom but she can’t take away Harry’s Prince title, he was born with that. Which actually it would be great because then everyone would call Meghan, Princess Meghan!

      • Soupie says:

        @Harla
        Yes, and it burns me up that that C U Next Tuesday Princess Michael of Kent is called a princess at all, what with her blackamoor brooch. That is something I will NEVER forget. The absolute crass, low-class, amoral nerve to wear that to the first Christmas Meghan attended with Harry! And to think there’s probably much much more from her and others in that “Firm.” They’re really just a bunch of lily-livered morons with money.

    • Where'sMyTiara says:

      I think you’re right except for one bit – I don’t think the power play to dangle the loss of everything was William’s doing – that’s on QE/Chaz. Because that’s been the MO of this family since before William was born. They did it to Margaret, and she towed the line. They did it to Diana and Fergie – Di told them to bounce, but Fergie clung like a limpet even after losing the HRH.

      BP, in tacitly condoning and fueling the attacks in the press by not reining in other members of the BRF, has forced Hazza to choose between his wife and child and his privileges, making the assumption that he will choose The Firm over his new little family. What a relief he was born with Diana’s backbone and not Charles’! I think *that* is the thing that surprised them – that the threat of loss of privs wouldn’t be enough to keep him in the fold.

      It speaks volumes about the BRF that they couldn’t grasp that their years of using him as a scapegoat and whipping boy in the family, their utter lack of support on everything from the dyslexia to the mental health issues resulting from his mother’s death, would result in this outcome – that they have permanently alienated him and destroyed the loyalty he felt towards them. It took them attacking the two people he loves most in this world for him to see his own family for what they are, and finally call a stop to it.

      • Harla says:

        I agree, William doesn’t have anything to dangle at this moment but Chaz and Liz do and they are. However, I’m sure H&M see the handwriting on the wall and know that when/if William takes the throne he won’t be any hurry to support them financially.

      • notasugarhere says:

        William has the ability to dangle Duchy funding as soon as the Queen passes, and the ability to cut them off. He automatically becomes Duke of Cornwall with full control of that income.

        That’s why many are saying this had to be done now, given William’s petulance, anger, jealously, hate towards Harry and Meghan. Doing it now protects Harry and Meghan from William the Sieve. If they don’t extract themselves from Duchy funding now, William can yank all that funding the second he is Duke of Cornwall.

    • Derriere says:

      What William didn’t expect is that the Sussexes’ life and lifestyle will continue beyond royalty. Together, Harry & Meghan have the skillset and network to do quite well in whatever they want to do.

      He can’t imagine life outside of the royal fold, so it does come as a shock that to leave or not to leave was an actual choice and not blackmail.

      • notasugarhere says:

        He can imagine it, it is what he’s wanted his entire life. Out of the royal role but with funding. Now his brother is in a happy marriage and finding a way to be royal on his own terms. Everything William wants but cannot have. We’re witnessing William’s meltdown.

      • Lady D says:

        Pippa has what Kate wants, and Harry will soon have what William wants. I don’t think the Cambridges have a very happy marriage, unless they’re bonding over their bitterness and jealousy.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Interestingly, that’s what an astrologer said about them. They have nothing in common, are not suited, but have mutual emotional wounds. They will cling to each other but live separate lives, companions in unhappiness, while putting on a public face.

        This was the same astrologer who predicted, to the date, the day their eldest son would be born – months before Kate was pregnant.

  42. L4frimaire says:

    That leak will be remembered as the most damaging part of this whole story. Everything could have been handles behind closed doors from the start but the Royals wanted this public and messy, starting this crises. I can’t imagine how seeing the Queen actively support Andrew in the wake of the Epstein arrest and suicide, then that interview must have made Meghan feel, especially after getting no support whatsoever throughout the pregnancy. Then they were vilified for weeks about taking private jets, which has never ever been an issue raised before. That probably started the beginnings of walking away. It was unconscionable.

    • Polly says:

      I still don’t think the Royal family have any idea how much the monarchy’s reputation has been damaged in the last six months. They are so arrogant, they really don’t understand the long term consequences this will have.

  43. Where'sMyTiara says:

    On Twitter right now from Congressmember Karen Bass, of California’s 37th Congressional District (that district covers Los Angeles, South LA, and Culver City):

    “We are so proud of your grace, we are so proud of your elegance and we are so proud of your work.

    You are always welcome here.

    Once a constituent, always a constituent.”

    MIND BLOWN. TAKE THAT LILLIBET.

    • Harla says:

      I would love it if a Common Wealth Prime Minister called HM and said “Is this really how you treat someone with brown skin? and by the way we’re voting to leave the Common Wealth”.

      • Liz version 700 says:

        Historically the writing should have been on the wall. The Royals have quite a prodigious history of invading countries and treating people with brown skin in not so nice ways….my bad for hoping several hundred years had given them some insight … Run Meghan and Harry. Show the world your light as the Royals clearly want to stay in the dark. QE and Chaz and Will really are giant a-holes.

      • Just an aside and I’m sure there was no conscious thought in it, but I find it one of those weird coincidences in history that Harry and Meghan ended up in Frogmore Cottage. The cottage where Queen Victoria housed her loyal Indian servant. I understand her son had him and his family thrown out of the cottage (possessions thrown on the lawn) within days of his mother’s death.

  44. Busyann says:

    I always felt like Queenie and Charles liked Meghan and did put forth several efforts publically to show support towards Meghan, but something happened. I think, quite honestly, Will threw a fit.

    I know I harp on Will and Kate a lot, but I used to really like them and defended Kate for years. I’m a firm believer that when someone shows you who they are, you believe them. There’s no denying that Meghan had it bad from the very beginning, and yes, even Will and Kate tried to visibly show support and embrace Meghan in the beginning….but after their first tour, I think to Australia, was a success and they announced baby sussex was coming, it’s like Will stopped trying to hide how he really felt.

    It’s been hostile since, and only got worse after the Rose rumours. Will is all over this, and Kate too….maybe not as much, but she’s not squeeky clean.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Yes I think they liked Meghan and were happy that Harry found her and she made Harry happy but William is determined to ruin that relationship – he is one very unhappy man baby who destroy’s what he cannot have.

    • Harla says:

      I think they put forth the effort in the beginning because it made them look good, period.

    • Exactly. Given all that Meghan was dealing with with her father and faux sister around her wedding, you think Kate at least would have been somewhat sympathetic. Instead the bizarre stories leaked of making Kate cry and Kate having to speak to Meghan about the proper way to deal with staff was all about poor pregnant Kate and how difficult that whole event was for her. I haven’t seen much SISTERHOOD from Kate and that is a huge disappointment.

  45. Mary says:

    Boy, these reporters keep dancing around whatever happened around the time of the wedding to split these two brothers up. I really wish they would spill the beans!

    Ingrid Seward, in one of the current DM articles, said that prior to Harry and Meghan’s wedding, Prince William told him not to marry Meghan and that it would not work out. other reporters are now saying that Prince William merely wanted Harry to slow things down a bit. if it were the former I could see why Harry would get so pissed.

    There was also a really weird blurb in a
    current Richard Kay article about the tiara that Meghan had wanted to wear for her wedding. Unlike the emerald tiara story, Kay says that it was a tiara of the Queen’s that Diana had worn. Diana had only ever worn the Cambridge Pearl tiara of the queen. Does this have anything to do with the rumors circulating in the spring about William getting an assurance from the queen that Meghan would not wear any of her jewelry that Diana had worn?

    Gosh this is all so weird and confusing!

    • Also, I read that William didn’t just say slow it down (although as another commentor said, they had over a year together before they got married instead of the almost decade it took William). I read that William actually went to the Queen to try and get her to deny Harry permission to wed. Now that would be a major issue for me if I was Harry!

      • Mary says:

        That’s right and word was that William also pulled that with Beatrice and her former boyfriend Dave, as far as letting the queen know that he didn’t think the Dave was suitable for Beatrice.

        It is my understanding that the queen cannot forbid them to marry but rather that any marriage occurring without her permission would be deemed illegal in the UK. Would it be deemed illegal elsewhere? And, they could always marry and have a legal marriage in another country.

        I am so wondering if this happened and, if so, what the Queen’s response was. Amongst the Queen’s entire family the only one that seems to have the balls to say “screw you Granny, I’m going to get married anyway” is Harry.

      • Nic919 says:

        If the monarch doesn’t approve the marriage it simply means that any child produced from that marriage isn’t part of the line of succession. I’m pretty sure Harry didn’t care about that so it was never much of a threat.

    • L4frimaire says:

      Grown folks fighting over tiaras. Seriously.

    • Becks1 says:

      you know, I can almost believe she wanted to wear the Cambridge lovers knot tiara – if you aren’t a serious royal or tiara follower, how many tiaras are you going to be aware of? She may not have had any idea of the extent of the queen’s vault. So she may have said something like “that tiara Kate wears – can I wear that? I like that one.” If she didn’t realize the BRF doesn’t share tiaras, then it might not have occurred to her that that was a faux pas.

      I still don’t think there was any sort of tantrum or anything.

    • Rogue says:

      @Mary This! Really want to know what happened around the wedding-what were these alleged harsh words/things done. in Tom Bradby’s latest Times piece he suggests that whatever happened could look bad for the family’s reputation internationally if it emerged….

      I’m so intrigued but suspect we won’t ever know.

  46. Fleur says:

    I have zero trouble believing this family is toxic. The power dynamics are so spectacularly misbalanced, starting from the queen down. Any family that needs the permission of their grandmother to make major life decisions is an unhealthy family. Glad meg and harry realize that people can only control you if you let them. It’s not like they’re even relinquishing their titles. These are healthy and necessary boundaries. I hope harry and Meghan stand firm. Honestly, I think this is much ado about nothing. Will gets to be the center of attention. If the United States can survive the resignation of Nixon and the Catholic Church can roll with the resignation of a pope, than England should stop fussing and deal with this minor aNd logical, long time coming decision by a man who is not even close to sitting on the throne. My gosh….

  47. fatladysinging says:

    My addled, Friday brain keeps registering “Tom Bradby” as “Tom Brady.”

  48. Shiba says:

    Charles has always been a petty, selfish man who used self-aggrandizement to paper over massive insecurity. That doesn’t change in one’s seventies. He’s angry because again the spotlight is not on HIM. That family has been crippled by primogeniture as a reigning principle. It’s revolting to see a jealous father use Machiavellian tactics against his sons.
    What standards are being upheld, exactly?
    All respect to Harry and Meghan.

  49. TeamSussex says:

    I imagine Harry negotiating like this ‘We keep our titles, Will be welcomed at holidays, included in state functions wearing any tiara my wife wants and enough money to set us up for life and I will keep all of your secrets.’

    They real crisis is he will no longer be under anyone’s thumb and knows where a lot of bodies are buried. Most especially he knows what was covered up for Will. There is no telling what he has heard over the years.
    I cannot even image what he could get for a tell all book. He could do a series, one for each senior royal.

    • Mary says:

      That is exactly why I think that the Sussexes will come out of this in a good position to advance their charitable interests but with the financial issues taken care of, without being under the thumb of the royal rota or the Men in Grey.

  50. L4frimaire says:

    Bet won’t be Any leaks in the next 72 hours. Things still developing.

  51. boobra says:

    it’s so disappointing that Meghan is carrying the bulk of the blame, being referred to as the Yoko, disrespectful, ungrateful and further unsavory terms. Reading the comments on the Daily Mail page it’s utterly vicious the hate that people harbor towards her. now i see it’s even worse as Samantha Markle had crawled out from under her rock to fan the flames against her sister. No wonder these two people have decided to step back. harry stans simply cannot accept that HE chose Meghan and his child over the Royals who left them to dangle as shark bait for twits like Piers Morgan et al. I’m sure harry has flashbacks to how his mother was hounded literally to her death by the media and to an extent, the public, with their morbid fascination in her life

  52. Emily says:

    Why is William such a dick about this future king title. There isn’t much real power – he will be a figurehead. He hasn’t done anything to deserve this title over Harry other than be born first.

    If KP doesn’t fire the person who leaked it will be obvious they are complicit.

  53. liriel says:

    I still think Charles is more to blame because he’s a father not a brother and his personality is terrible. What he did to Diana, cheated, couldn’t handle her fame. We need to talk about Charles more. He LIVED as an adult through the Diana’s harassment while H&W were kids.
    Also I’m really worried about Harry. He is depressed, left alone during the talks. He was in Afghanistan brave and all but obviously he won’t be a soldier. Meghan already talks with Disney about dubbing a movie.
    What realistically Harry could do which also would be suitable to his personality?

    • Lady D says:

      Mental health for the military. Expand Invictus. Environmental work. Speaking tours. Maybe he wants to build boats? My point being, the whole world is available for him and his family to choose from now.

    • Becks1 says:

      Harry will keep on doing the kinds of things he is doing now – starting charitable foundations/initiatives. Sentebale, Invictus Games, Endeavour Fund – those are all Harry’s. I imagine we will see many more large scale initiatives like that from him in the coming years.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Harry is not depressed. Harry is not fragile. Harry is the strongest he has been in his life, using that strength to protect his wife and son from his abusive older brother. That may have been what it took for him to finally refuse the mantle of family scapegoat – his own family.

      His quote in the documentary: ‘If anybody else knew what I know, be it a father, be it a husband, anyone, you’d probably be doing exactly what I’m doing as well.’

      The allegedy news is her doing a voice over for a documentary in exchange for Disney donating the fee to an elephant/wildlife charity. Nothing wrong with that. Meanwhile, he already has his mental health series with Oprah and Apple.