People: Prince Harry & William ‘didn’t leave on good terms by any means’

Meghan Duchess of Sussex, Prince Harry, Prince William, Catherine Duchess of Cambridge at the 100th Anniversary of the Royal Air Force, Buckingham Palace, London, UK on Tuesday 10th July 2018

Soon after the Duke and Duchess of Sussex announced that they were getting the hell out of England, a completely asinine narrative began to be pushed, and it was not-so-subtly being pushed by Kensington Palace aka Prince William. The most ridiculous article was from Richard Kay at the Daily Mail, wherein sources close to William (meaning William himself) went out of their way to gaslight Harry and continue several different false narratives, like Harry and Will fell out because their wives didn’t get along, or they fell out because William simply suggested that Harry was moving too quickly with Meghan. It’s like no one would say it flat out: Harry has been William’s favorite victim for years, and William can’t handle it that Harry found a cool wife and that Harry wants no part of William’s bulls–t anymore.

After spending more than a week gaslighting and abusing Harry, William then pushed another asinine story: that Sussexit negotiations had finally brought the brothers closer together, and that they ended things on good terms, because apparently phones don’t exist and I guess Harry and William will never be in contact ever again. Now, in People Magazine’s cover story this week, that version is denied. Harry and William left things on bad terms.

There is still unfinished business between Prince Harry and Prince William. The royal brothers’ rift dates back to 2017, when William cautioned his younger sibling about moving too fast with Meghan Markle, which in turn left Harry angry and hurt. Now that Meghan and Prince Harry have started their new lives — relocating to Canada with nearly 9-month-old son Archie amid their decision to step down as senior members of the royal family — there’s hope that Princess Diana’s sons will start to heal their relationship.

“They didn’t leave on good terms by any means, but they are both relieved that it’s over,” a family friend tells PEOPLE in this week’s cover story.

In recent weeks, however, the brothers have been talking more, says a palace source, leading some to hope that they can gradually repair their fractured relationship.

“Perhaps [Meghan and Harry] didn’t think things through exactly as they could have, but they wanted to be happy,” adds the family friend. “Who can blame them for that?”

[From People]

Didn’t think things through? Come on now. Meghan is a planner. They knew what they were going to do – they even had the website!! – and they were just waiting for William’s little busybody courtiers to leak the information to Dan Wooten at the Sun. As soon as that happened, they pulled the trigger. The plan was there. Harry and Meghan put more thought into Sussexit than Kate put into Early Years and the Struggle Survey, let’s say that. As for Harry and William talking on the phone… I kind of doubt that too, but whatever. It’s going to be a trip when the Sussexes re-enter public life and start doing charity work and such.

Britain's Prince William, Duke of Cambridge (R) and Britain's Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex (2R), host a reception to officially open the 2018 Illegal Wildlife Trade Conference at St James' Palace in London on October 10, 2018. - The 2018 Illegal Wildlife Trade Conference is the fourth such international conference bringing together heads of state, ministers and officials from nearly 80 countries, alongside NGOs, academics and businesses, to build on previous efforts to tackle this lucrative criminal trade. The conference is being hosted by the UK Government from 11th – 12th October 2018.

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  1. Digital Unicorn says:

    The Fail has picked this up as well. Hmm interesting, thought they’d kissed and made up?!?!

    Personally I think that there is likely still some issues between the brothers that are beyond the ‘Harry is rushing things with Meghan’ that have more to do with the abuse she’s suffered at the hands of the UK press – the same UK press that his brother persuaded to bury his Rose trimmings in exchange for a little something something.

    The Cambridges were a part of that abuse and everyone can see it.

    • Becks1 says:

      Agreed. If William did think Harry was moving too fast with Meghan and said that – that’s not the cause of the rift. It may be a factor, but we saw the brothers together multiple times during their engagement and after and there didn’t seem to be bad blood. It was only later that it became obvious there were issues.

      • Tessa says:

        And there were some commentators bloggers that Blamed Meghan for the Rose situation, that she “spread the gossip.” I think Harry got tired of his wife being scapegoated that way.

      • aria says:

        @tessa those are kate crazy stans. they believe that meghan created that story to cause the rift. they didnt believe that affair happened because those rumors started in april , in june in balcony kate was so happy with william and those crazy stans believe that if that affair happened kate wont be that happy with william. i said this many times that kate is like queen when the affair happens she can turn the otherside. but meghan and diana are similar , they cant stand those things. her stans are really stupid, they care more about her hair, makeup, dress and jewllery then the cause she support. even if william divorce kate , the public wont turn against him because kate doesnt have that much public sympathy like diana especially in uk age of 19-40 woman. most kate stans are from outside uk or age over 60 mosty like maga and brexit gang.

      • Dee says:

        Occam’s Razor. Harry and Meghan wanted to do more. Normal Bill and Dolittle wanted to do less.

      • Andrew’s Nemesis says:

        @Tessa Our darling Meg (yeah, I have a full on girl crush. Sue me) has been accused of supporting terrorism, cartels, ‘playing the race card’, attention seeking, improper behaviour on boats, narcissism, and opening her own car door. Small wonder that the biddy brigade pinned yet another thing on her

    • I never bought that PR push from KP about the instant rebonding. I always thought that William is trying to force the narrative in the direction he wants it to go. Then there’s the other narrative that William is also pushing that Harry is fragile, lonely, broken, dominated, indecisive, disloyal, and simple-minded. Seems to me William knows that in order not to be seen as the selfish, jealous, controlling bully he is he has to make the world believe that he loves poor, stupid Harry but that evil Meghan has kidnapped him. Kate —- she’s like an ostrich with her head in the sand —- she wants to be ‘popular’ and not seen as having ‘mean girled’ Meghan. I think Harry was just done with both of them and their BS. SADLY, I THINK HISTORY WILL SHOW BOTH OF THEM THAT (a) you cannot control the media and (b) karma can be a bitch. William may think he has won, but it is a hollow victory. The Sussexes chose to walk away on their terms and will be free to live their best lives. I think we all know who lept free of the cage and who is still in the cage.

    • PrincessK says:

      It has been said that there was a problem between the brothers that pre dates Meghan. It has been described as a festering wound that had the plaster ripped off once Meghan arrived on the scene.

      William has always had a sneering condescending jealous attitude towards his much more engaging and charismatic brother. Unfortunately for William, Harry with Meghan by his side even on the other side of the Atlantic is not going to change anything. The whole world is waiting for the first public appearance of the Sussexes since their departure. The Cambridge’s are just so boring in comparison.

  2. yep says:

    “As soon as that happened, they pulled the trigger. The plan was there.”. Exactly. They have been planning this since the beginning. Still, they are the victims. Lol.

    • Becks1 says:

      Yes, they are. this hasn’t been the plan “since the beginning.” This has been the plan since it was apparent the press felt free to abuse Meghan at every turn and the royal family aided and abetted that.

      • yep says:

        Ok. Let’s review the timeline. They married in June 2018. At that time the press and the public was overwhelmingly praising them. Their Australia and NZ Tour had positive reviews, as well. It was at the end of 2018. They allegedly started working (and spending time and resources) on their website in spring 2019. By that time they had already agreed their split from the Cambridges and built their own advisory and PR team. These actions must have followed weeks if not months of discussions with the Firm. They made their decision before that. For me this means “since the beginning”.

      • Becks1 says:

        Their Australia and NZ tour had positive reviews, and then the smear campaign kicked into high gear, and never stopped.

        That was when they split from the cambridges (when many of the leaks stopped.) Any work on a website at that point was because they were supposed to be working royals.

        As the abuse continued to be heaped on Meghan through the end of her pregnancy and her maternity leave, they began to plan to leave. So summer 2019.

        That’s not “since the beginning.”

      • Belli says:

        Nope, sorry, let’s not rewrite history. The public and press were not overhelmingly praising them when they got married. The press and certain sections of the public and have been overwhelmingly unpleasant towards Meghan since they first started dating. That’s why back in 2016 Harry had to release a statement to the press saying “hey, stop being racist towards my girlfriend”.

        There was never any “build them up”, the press skipped straight to “tear them down”.

      • Tessa says:

        There was much outrage in tab comments sections about Harry’s Choice of bride. And some of the writers in the media started taking shots at her before the wedding. And I remember there were terrible comments even before the engagement. Then the critics on the blogs and comments sections truly believed they could “stop the wedding” by circulating a petition. And there were some who would avidly comment where can I sign up. The engagement photo was derided and the DM started posting the “price” so it could generate outrage. And it went downhill from there. Wagers are going on on some comments sections and blogs on when the “divorce” will happen. It’s sickening.

      • Nic919 says:

        Dan Wootton had the tiara story out around the time the Oceana tour ended. Since we know he’s the KP leak, that’s when William was fine with starting to tear Meghan down, as their tour had been very popular with the local and international media.

      • I think they joined together as a team and gave it their honest, whole hearted best shot. When they realized the attacks/lack of support by Harry’s family would continue and that the RR press smear was being aided and abetted by that same family…..then I think they started planning. I think Harry asked the Queen, Charles, and possibly William to help with the press or offer more public support of Meghan and I think not getting any help or support made a huge impact on his thinking from then on. I think they showed their loyalty to the Queen and their role both before and after the wedding. The down under trip was hugely successful and that’s when the gloves came off towards them. Then I think everything escalated to the point of no return while Meghan was pregnant. I think Harry learned what Meghan had already learned: that some things are truly unforgivable when done to you by a family member.

        This narrative that they were planning on leaving ‘from the beginning’ is just another smear at Meghan.

      • Abena Asantewaa says:

        The smear and sabotage started before their wedding, when the media paid lots of money to distant relatives to trash Meghan, and also conspiring with her father to ruin her wedding day, meghan only had a short respite, during the tour, even then, the press accused her of upstaging Eugene’s wedding, even though the announcement of the pregnancy was made 3 days after.The smearing never went away. The plan to quit was not from day one. I think it was from 2019.

    • Toot says:

      The plan to exit was months in the making, probably since the BM went bonkers during Meghan’s pregnancy and after Archie’s birth, not what you’re hinting at, which is as soon as they married.

      The Cambs people leaked it early and the Sussexes said “f it”.

    • Jaxonmeh says:

      @Yep- They are victims regardless of when they started planning to leave. You can see it however you want and while this early planning from the beginning as you claim probably wasn’t an actual thing – H&M could have decided before they got married they were unsure of staying royals but to give it a go anyways and have a back out plan. THIS DOES NOT EXCUSE THE ABUSE THEY ENDURED!!!

      • Bella DuPont says:

        @ Yep

        You are implying it. Otherwise, how/why are they not the victims?

        The abuse started from the very beginning. It has oscillated in intensity, but was there from the start.
        The cynical attempt to try to truncate the timeline of the abuse won’t work because people aren’t stupid and most of the abusive shit from 2016, 2017, 2018 is STILL up online for the world to see. But nice try.

        By the way, Royal Dish misses you very badly.

    • GuestWho says:

      The website was in the works since they knew they were splitting their foundation away from the Cambridge and their money-grabbing hands. The site design probably shifted once their child was publicly represented as a chimp and no one in their “family” spoke up, or possibly when it became painfully obvious that the leaks were coming from KP and CH. They acted in good faith until it became obvious that the attacks were never going to relent. Nobody else in that family was acting in good faith – why should they stay? No rational adult would.

    • S808 says:

      Doubt it and even if it was she has been harassed since they were dating and downright abused during her pregnancy. they had every right to grab their baby and get the fuck outta there.

    • kerwood says:

      I find it interesting that there are so many people who refuse to acknowledge the horrific abuse that the Sussexes have endured thanks to the racist campaign mounted by the tabloids and silently supported by the BRF, including the Cambridges. As a Black woman, I’m used to it because Black people have been told for centuries that racism ‘isn’t all that bad’. All we have to do is pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and we’ll be fine.

      Who would it hurt if the Sussexes were seen as the ‘victims’ in this horrible story? Would it be the people who have been complicit in White supremacy for their entire existence and refuse to acknowledge the benefits they’ve received simply by being White? Does that mean White folks are less ‘special’ than they’ve been telling people of colour all this time? Or does it mean that the poster girl for these people isn’t the goddess they insist she is. Would they have to acknowledge that their girl’s sole achievements in life have been to be born White and to have waited out a man not worth the effort?

      • pineapple says:

        This back and forth is ridiculous. RACISM AND JEALOUSY. That’s the heart of the tabloid negative stories and any sensible person who studied propaganda, in any way, in a history class, can see it. Period.

        The only victims here are the dumb-dumbs who believe the propaganda. They can’t see with their own eyes how horridly Meghan and Harry are being treated. How dare Harry marry a woman of colour?????????? And one who works and UPSTAGES EVERYONE.

      • swirlmamad says:

        That would mean actually admitting white privilege and supremacy is still “a thing” and that is an extremely difficult thing for certain people to do, and always will be.

      • swirlmamad says:

        @pineapple And I’d wager those dumb-dumbs are the ones who also see Trump as the “victim” in the whole impeachment mess, too. 😒

      • Dee says:

        Take two minutes to look at Richard Palmer’s Twitter feed, @Royalreporter. Disgusting comments about Archie being a girl, they bought the baby, she faked the pregnancy. None of that blocked. No rebuttal. The RRs went straight for the jugular.

      • Liz version 700 says:

        It is stunning that the Press and David Cambridge stand are trying to deny the racism when it was blatant! This wasn’t the subversive under the radar racism polite society still dishes out…this was blatant, persistent glaring fog horn racism. The treatment of Meghan was disgusting, but the attacks on the unborn, newborn, not even a year old Archie are unforgivable. They called him a monkey and the royals did nothing. The press went nuts declaring an ownership right to this child after years abusing the child’s mother and insisted on this ownership of him while abusing him. I would take my kid to another country away from the Tabloids and Uncle Will the jealous tyrant too. Kerwood for what it is worth I am amazed and horrified at how black women are treated in the media and in politics. Once your eyes are opened to the erase black women mentality you can’t unsee it and you see it over and over and over.

      • KatV says:

        I really don’t get it either. I’m not from the U.K. or us, I just find it interesting to follow. I normally read the PurseForum as well, and people there are so negative towards Meghan. It’s kind of disturbing that this woman can evoke all that hate. We really haven’t moved much, have we?

      • February Pisces says:

        Initially when Meghan came on the scene, all the trolls would say ‘they don’t trust her’ or that ‘she’s trouble’. The reality is she actually hasn’t done anything wrong in the last 3 years or so. Whenever I say to a hater what she’s actually done wrong, they usually umm and arr for a second then bring up some lame protocol she’s suppose to have broken. They were determined she was ‘bad news’ and harry would be hurt by HER. But it’s his family that has hurt him. She has technically proven all the haters wrong in the fact that she wasn’t the one causing all the trouble, but they can’t ever admit that.

    • Andrew’s Nemesis says:

      @Yep Get back to us when someone threatens to rip your stomach off and calls your child a ‘chimp’

  3. Nina says:

    William should be ashamed of using the media especially the daily mail to bully his brother

  4. Ronaldinhio says:

    I hate the saviour brother stories about William
    It has always been unfortunate that he was born first. He has neither the temperament nor work ethic for the role of King. His wife unfortunately hasn’t been allowed or able to help him grow out of the narrow role he was born into. That was a development chance that was missed in William but grabbed by Harry.
    I believe there is much jealousy between the Wales brothers flowing only one way

    • yep says:

      Honestly, while I agree that William doesn’t exude gravitas and leadership presence, I do not think Harry has the stamina, the work ethic and the skills for the role, as well.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Well, I think everyone is going to surprised at how good a King Charles III will be because Charles as all the right “chops” for the job.

        Have been extremely negative in my thinking toward William since he announced he WOULD NOT take over and carry on the Prince’s Trust. Maybe it is all for the best as I think David Linley, Earl of Snowdon will do a bang-up great job continuing the 40+ years of wonderful work by Prince Charles.

      • Ali says:

        @yep prince harry has more than enough stamina to be king of England.

      • Nic919 says:

        Harry hasn’t quit Sentebale, Invictus or any of his patronages. And he was pushed out of his military appointments by the others, which has been clearly reported.

      • GuestWho says:

        @yep. Harry walked away from an untenable situation where the people he loves most in the world were being vicously and racially attacked. To stay would have destroyed what he holds most dear. Walking away from what he’s always known to build a better life takes a lot of strength and stamina. Why should he have stayed? Give us all one good, valid reason. To support the Queen? She didn’t support him. To support his father? He didn’t support Harry. To support his brother? Nope. He absolutely did the right thing and it was, I’m sure, a devastating decision to make, but the realization that the people who should have had his back never did and never would had to have been worse.

      • Bella DuPont says:

        @ yep

        You are right. He really should have stayed and infinitely continued to swallow the pointed racist abuse of his wife and child, no matter the intensity or even threats to their safety. How did that work for his mother?

      • indiesr says:

        That is why Harry is a “King”!!!!

      • Aren’t you out of your troll-zone on this site, Yep?

      • pineapple says:

        Hey Yep … don’t worry, Meghan could be King in her sleep.

      • Jaded says:

        @yep – Harry’s wife and baby were being dragged by the racist press. They were receiving death threats. His brother was leaking like a sieve. The Rota had turned against them. Something really serious happened between the brothers that smells of jealousy, spite and revenge. William basically stood by while the family and press turned on Meghan and during the course of this mess William was busted for an inappropriate relationship with Rose Hanbury. I think the blinders finally came off Harry’s eyes and he saw his brother in the clear light of day as a cold, mean, vindictive brat who was making his own wife miserable. Meghan and Harry worked circles around William and Kate and they couldn’t stand being shown up as the lazy shirkers they actually are.

    • lucy in the sky says:

      It’s funny how Kate is responsible for not been “able to help him grow out of the narrow role he was born into”. The daily dose of misogyny.
      Women can never win.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        No one could have helped William except his deceased mother.

        I highly doubt William listens to anyone but himself.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Maxima helped W-A become a better man, Letizia has helped Felipe, Meghan has helped Harry. Your choice of partner is a choice, and depending upon the person you chose, you can choose to change as a result. William chose a lazy, workshy woman attached to family that coddled him for a decade. If Jecca had wanted to be the future Queen Consort, or if William hadn’t fallen in with the Middletons as Uni, we’d see a different William today.

      • lucy in the sky says:

        Yeah let’s blame the woman for all the shit men out there. Kate or any woman are NOT responsible for their husband behavior.
        I’ve met a lot of women who hold extremely sexist opinions like yours, but that’s still part of a sexist mindset that’s been strongly perpetuated by men for years.
        I really hope you take the time to educate yourself.

      • notasugarhere says:

        LOL. Honestly, Kate has no responsibility for the fact she’s a pathetic, lazy, workshy, PR grifting, social climber? As someone wrote on a thread yesterday, let’s stop pretending Kate has no agency here. She has chosen to build her life around doing nothing but trying to marry well. Putting up with two decades of cheating in exchange for social status. Failing to do her royal job because she has no intellectual interest in the world around her.

        I’ll add in Daniel’s support, physical and emotional, for Crown Princess Victoria. She herself has said he is the reason she is stronger and happier today, because of how he helped her change.

        Yes, if Kate was a better woman, odds are William would be a better man. Or he’d be a better man if he’d never fallen in with the backwards, social climbing, marrying-money-is-everything Middleton women.

        Regardless of gender, our choice of partners can make or break us. Choose someone who helps you aspire, or choose someone who enables all of your worst excesses. Sorry that is a difficult concept for you to grasp in 2020.

      • Green Desert says:

        @lucy – nota isn’t blaming women. I read her post and the OP’s as nuanced points about the influence of the partner you choose. If you have a partner, that person has influenced you in many ways as you have for them. The influence of a partner can bring out the best or the worst or the mediocre-ness in a person. There’s a danger in crying misogyny every time a woman is criticized.

      • lucy in the sky says:

        As an adult she’s responsible for her own actions, just like her 38 years husband is old enough to be responsible for his own.
        But keep blaming the women for men’s bad behavior.
        It seems like you have the “She was asking for it”" mentality.

      • Nic919 says:

        Both William and Kate are bad for each other because they are both lazy and shallow and don’t care about anything beyond their own self interest. It’s not misogyny to say that neither brings out the best in the other.

      • lucy in the sky says:

        It’s extremely sexist to say that she is responsible for her grown ass husband not be a better man . Poor William can’t take responsibility for his actions, it’s all Kate fault for his behavior.

      • lucy in the sky says:

        @Green Desert

        Acutally, there is a danger every time a woman is criticized for her partner’s actions.

      • Nic919 says:

        No one actually claimed Kate was solely responsible for William being a jerk. Saying she enables his existing bad habits is another thing. That’s a thing a happens in relationships, especially dysfunctional ones. William also enables her laziness. It’s a two way street and you are tossing out accusations of misogyny and sexism without any basis.

      • Emmitt says:

        Kate never could’ve helped William to be a better person because she was picked specifically because she is dull and pliable (also she was the last one standing). William would like the accolades a Meghan would bring to him without any of those accolades going to her and that’s not how it works.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Exactly Nic919.

    • Crowned Huntress says:

      Diana saw it when the boys were children. Harry had the better temperament for Kingship, hence “GKH” – Good King Harry.
      I think the whole world can see that now. Harry has the work ethic, the personal charm & the warmth necessary to lead. William lacks all of those qualities and it burns him up that despite being Heir, the whole world outside of the Brexiters/MAGAs are in love with the spare, his talented wife & child.

      • aria says:

        yes i agree. everyone i know was very shocked that they are leaving the castle for home. rest of international media and people are supportive of them because they are willing to earn their money. plus now they are laying low shows that what hyprocrite is brf and how they are handling andrew vs harry. its very clear everyday. plus brf and kate stan is so deseparate making sophie and yorks girls happening because those ppl will never outshine kate. but general public is not in the favor of sophie or york girls. one of the main complaint is that sussex wasting taxpayer money and christmas message is heir is important. so general public wants that too , no more addition either sophie or yorks. plus charles doesnt like sophie nor york girls. he never allow them into the fold. cambridge pr is pushing sophie for workload and andrew pr is pushing yorks. in the end cambridges wont have anyone to share the workload. this is history repeating itself. charles was same with andrew , everyone thought diana boys will stick togther but in the end the windsor curse is strong. the same will be for geroge and louis. already from many photos and video george hardly seen with louis, only charoltte with louis. geroge is having first son possessive thing. with kate so much devotion to louis like queen with andrew, the resentment is coming.

      • DS9 says:

        Let’s not completely rewrite history. Diana treated William as a little adult, sharing entirely too much with him because she thought he could handle it.

        Harry was rather aimless for a number of years. He didn’t get some perspective or work ethic until his military service which even then didn’t turn him into a workhorse.

        It’s been a slow turnabout, nothing to sneeze at, especially once Invictus, Sentebale, and Meghan enter the mix. But that’s a lot of years of doolittle and low engagement numbers.

      • notasugarhere says:

        William and Harry were away at boarding school from ages 7-8, and only with Diana a few weeks a year. Let’s not put 100 belief in the stories Diana chose to spin for Morton.

        Harry is likely dyslexic, undiagnosed until he was 18. The fancy education system failed him completely. Once he hit Sandhurst and the Army, it was the making of him. Unlike his lazy older brother, Harry was full-time in the military and deployed twice. William skipped from branch to branch, never working anywhere near full-time and getting out just before the people in charge threw him out. While Harry still managed to create Sentebale at 19, and later Invictus Games. As he was never the future king, it is not his responsibility to do the type of engagement numbers William is.

      • Lady D says:

        Astute analysis, Aria. I think everything you said is either happening, or will happen. Young George really doesn’t stand a chance, does he?

      • notasugarhere says:

        Lady D, wait until they start attacking Charlotte to prop up George. Because they’ve established, her role in life is to be George’s scapegoat. Ultimately, they will all rally around the heir and throw the spare to the wolves.

      • Dee says:

        Agree, but since Charlotte’s a girl and Diana’s granddaughter, the scapegoating will fall to Louis.

      • Nic919 says:

        The scapegoating will be worse for Charlotte than Louis because the media doesn’t like girls and women who have opinions. Charlotte already has a more outgoing personality and it will used against her as she gets older.

      • Tessa says:

        DS, That “little adult” story comes out o f Charles spin playbook. Junor et al rewrote history and made Diana’s relationship with WIlliam seem “dysfunctional.” Diana was dead and these writers worked feverishly to trash her to make Charles and Camilla’s actions seem “harmless” and Diana was “damaged.” Diana had set limits and would not hesitate to correct William. She also did not want him to be spoiled and told him (and Harry) they needed to make their own beds and clean their rooms without servants waiting on them hand and foot. Whatever you say Diana did CHarles did a lot worse. William was said to have been blindsided when he saw how his father had his PR people spread the story of William and Camilla having tea. ANd the tasteless headlines Diana’s sons accept Camilla. Charles poured most of his attention on William and cosseted him and threw Harry to the wolves. Diana would have paid attention to Harry ( she did not like it for instance when the Queen Mum fussed over the direct heir William and ignored Harry). Harry was left to his own devices at Highgrove and had access to the liquor Cabinet–after Diana died and Charles was away with Camilla. Diana was a wonderful parent and I am sorry the Junor spin is accepted as fact (Junor does not like Diana and flatters Camilla.

    • Tessa says:

      Kate can’t help William. She’s his enabler and always was. From the time she dated him she hardly did anything on her own, just waited for the phone to ring. And then went on all those vacations with him. She enabled the idleness.

      • Sally says:

        going from waity kaity, she is now wifey wifey. good choice there ms kathy.

      • notasugarhere says:

        She and the entire Middleton family, from the 10 free vacations a year to partying at Uncle Gary’s Maison de Bang Bang.

  5. Zapp Brannigan says:

    Wait, so now little to no planning was put into “Sussexit” yet at the same time Meghan is an arch manipulator who plotted/planned/schemed her way into a marriage to get into the Royal Family to access riches/jewels/world fame and at the same time plotting to leave that same institution that she was so thirsty to be a part of? Can the British media pick a plot line and stick to it because this is giving me whiplash.

    • Belli says:

      The plot line is “Meghan evil” and everything is forced into that no matter how bad the fit.

    • Catherine says:

      No, what they are saying is “she thought it through – but her limited knowledge of how the BRF works, and how loyal the public and the A List are to the BRF- they miscalculated by a large margin.” She thought it through to her ability, but it was a miscalculation. As for the website, sure she planned it, and it blew up in their faces. No one “collaborates” with the Crown, the Queen. The website – surely it’s been changed- but they aren’t allowed to do any work on behalf of the Queen. Military or otherwise. The website made a lot of declarations- which aren’t happening. All of those celebrities are dying for a knighthood, they aren’t breaking ranks for PH and MM like they did for Diana. This is another area of miscalculation. Yes, it was planned but the plan did not work. George Clooney? Serena? Oprah? The Obamas? The silence is deafening. Why? Because of either their affection for the Queen and/or their desire to be knighted. And all of these leaked stories to People? Where are they coming from? And why?

      • aria says:

        only david beckham wanted to be knighted. none of the usa celebrities. knighted as become a joke after that pedophile kevin from house of cards have. after all this going with rf and how queen was complicit in andrew crime nobdoy wanted to be knighted by them. katy perry got that trust thing with prince charles via her money and she was so deseparate to be indian. idk why? nobody even wants to picture with queen because they are afraid they will be cancelled by twitter because queen and andy connection. even many brits wont care about knight certinly not obamas, ophrah or serena. those knighted means they are part of british empire which is not the image above black celebrities wants. they are more american they care more about president medal than be knighted by queen. meghan pr might advice them to lay low for sometimes.

      • David says:

        Your analyses have been spot on. Hopefully some peace will eventually be met and maintained. I know people are angry but they say ‘there is no shame in forgiveness.’ I would like to think they can get through this shit show on the global stage as well. It may take a while, but who wants the Yorks? Hopefully Charles has some good plans in the future since he Will thankfully be king first.

      • MsIam says:

        I am not sure @Catherine where you are getting your info for this narrative from. Oprah was just interviewed saying she is behind the Sussexes 1000%. The Clooneys have spoken up in the past before H&M even hinted at leaving. Many celebrities have given messages of support. I guess they are not THAT concerned about “knighthood” (ha!). I believe that when the Sussexes themselves announce their plans, you will see plenty of support from celebrities and from the corporate world. And as far as them being blocked from “collaborating” with the Queen, all I read was that they were willing to continue on with the patronages they were given including representing the Commonwealth. Since the Queen said “no thanks” then H&M said “see ya later”.

      • Feeshalori says:

        And as Americans, why would Oprah and George Clooney be interested in dame hood/knighthood? They’re famous enough with their own cachet without an empty honor.

      • Catherine says:

        Trust me, they all want to be knighted. George Clooney has poured millions into the Prince’s trust. He was vocal before the split from the BRF but he was careful to blame the press, not the BRF. After the split, nothing. They are not going to alienate The Queen or Prince Charles. The reality is, “Royalty is forever, celebrity is not.” So, if PH and MM want to live a private, quiet life, great!!! But, these leaks to People are not coming out of the U.K. I hope Charles has a plan to make this all work too!!!

      • Hope says:

        The only celebs who may have switched teams are the Clooneys. Oprah and Serena wouldn’t turn down becoming Dames but I don’t think they would side with the BRF against the Sussexes to make that happen. Especially Serena.

        But considering how much money must have changed hands to create the Amal Clooney award, I could see the Clooneys staying strategically quiet.

      • Nic919 says:

        Americans and Canadians are not allowed to accept British honours like a knighthood, so you have completely made that up.

      • Emmitt says:

        Harry & Meghan stayed at Serena’s mansion in Miami this past week, so I find the assertion that Serena is “staying away” quiet amusing. The Obamas would have no allegiance to the Queen and neither would George Clooney. I doubt seriously American personalities like Serena Williams, the Obamas or George Clooney are dying to be knighted by the Queen. Why would the former PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES be dying to be knighted by the Queen? LOL

  6. Becks1 says:

    OMG these stories. You can tell they are being pushed by Camp Cambridge because there is such a tone of “poor Harry didn’t really know what he was doing, William wants to be supportive,” etc.

    William overplayed his hand – he never actually expected Harry would leave – and now they are scrambling.

    • Sally says:

      better be careful what YOU wish for…..

    • notasugarhere says:

      William spent his entire life using Harry for PR. As long as he had that built-in scapegoat, he was always going to be the Golden Child. Harry meeting Meghan, recognizing the abuse in his own family, and getting out? The jealousy is deep here, and as someone wrote above, it is all one direction. William wants everything Harry has.

    • Catherine says:

      Just yesterday, this site stated that MM uses People magazine to get her message out. Why do you suddenly think KP is leaking to People?

      • Becks1 says:

        Because both can be true? Meghan and KP can use People?

      • Guest2.0 says:

        Isn’t the new People editor from Britain and has gotten direct leaks before from KP?

      • MsIam says:

        @Catherine, umm, maybe all of those “Kate, the future queen” stories that have been coming out ad nauseam? They are really trying to make her the new Diana, who was responsible for some of the largest sales in People mag history. Listen, if this story is from the Sussex camp, then why is there nothing new in it? Yes, H&M have been hiking but we knew that at Christmas. There have been stories in the Vancouver papers about seeing H&M at local businesses. And it doesn’t take a direct source to figure out that H&M are much happier where they are right now. Even the “rift” story references that tired old, “William disapproved of Meghan” BS that has been pitched for the last 2 years.

      • Nic919 says:

        FFS People magazine has been calling her Princess Kate for years. Please up the level of trolling because it’s pretty bad so far.

  7. Toot says:

    Harry probably keeps everything superficial when/if he talks to his fam because he knows he can’t trust them.

    I always go back to what he said about if people knew what he does, they would do the same actions he’s doing. That says a lot to me, especially after the Sussexit.

    That “friend ” saying this wasn’t thought thru knows nothing. Harry and Meghan were tired of the bullshit.

    • notasugarhere says:

      That important line of his from the documentary got lost with the emphasis on the Meghan clip. If we knew what he knew, we’d make the same decision he has.

      • Becks1 says:

        Yes, I keep circling back to it too. that line was pretty telling in light of Sussexit.

      • notasugarhere says:

        ‘My mom taught me a set of values of which I will always try and uphold despite our role and job. I will always protect my family, I have a family to protect. Everything she went through is incredibly real every single day and that’s not me being paranoid, that’s me not wanting a repeat of the past. If anybody else knew what I knew, be it a father or husband, you would probably do what I’m doing as well.’

      • MsIam says:

        @nota do you think he was referring to Sussexit or to the lawsuits against the press? They were announced on the last day of the trip. I wonder if they thought the lawsuits would quiet the press some and when things got worse they said “f— this, we are out”. I have no doubt that people have been telling them for months that they could make it on their own if they decided to walk away. But I wonder if they felt they would try and see if they could deal with the press first before pressing the nuclear button.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I think he was referencing his knowledge of the BRF’s (especially William’s) role in the abuse of his wife and child.

  8. aquarius64 says:

    This still takes me back to the Times story last Easter that William gave the nod to the BM to weaponzie Evil Papa Smurf against Meghan. I bet Harry has the receipts for that and that would explained the continued bad blood. If this ever got out the damage to William. KP will spin it they found out dirt on Markle as proof that Harry should not not marry Meghan. But with the Windsor dirty history (ANDREW) the Windsors are in no position to slag anyone.

    • Bren says:

      Trust me if KP had any “proof” to justify why Harry shouldn’t have married Meghan they would’ve played that card a long time ago. Haters will be waiting forever for the proof that Meghan is evil, it drives their obsession.

  9. Sarah says:

    I really believe that deep down, Harry had always wanted to leave/escape but stuck out out for Granny and has had struggled with internal conflict for many years. I think he would have done his very best for the Crown until his father ascended and he could quietly move into a more private life. He found a partner who would support him no matter what – work hard for the Queen or pull the plug when it was time. The hideous treatment of his wife and son flipped that switch before Granny died and here we are. Kick rocks, William.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      @Sarah – You thoughts make much sense. I have always wondered what role Chucky had planned for Harry when he became Charles III.

      • (TheOG)jan90067 says:

        He would use Harry (and Meg) as work horses until he didn’t need them (Camb kids ageing in) and then phase them out further and further. Charles’ plan was always “direct line”, and that’s William (and Kate) and George, esp. Eventually even Char and Louis will be pushed to the sidelines, if it still is going on by then.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @(TheOG)jan90067 – So are you saying that Charles planned to use Meghan & Harry to perform Princess Anne “Bread & Butter” type engagements until the Cambridge kids finished school and hit the age of 21?

      • Lady D says:

        Can’t have the Sussex’s outshining the heir now can we? They get the grit work, W&K get the flashy tours, and neither of them will be happy. I seriously thought Charles was smarter than this.

      • (TheOG)jan90067 says:

        Not just that, but tours deemed “lesser” (ie: beneath Williams’ deign to do, but still need a senior royal).

    • Ainsley7 says:

      Charles would have expected Harry to work more when he became King not less. Charles was trying to slim down the monarchy to just him, his sons and their wives, and William’s kids.

    • Spot on Sarah. I agree Harry had loyalty to stay and do his best for —as he said the night before he left — his “Queen and Commander in Chief.” But it became impossible to stay based on “what he knew.”

  10. Silver Charm says:

    I think “didnt think things through” meant this all could have been handled better, not that there wasn’t some sort of plan.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      To me ‘didn’t think things through’ means ‘didn’t do what big brother demanded’.

    • notasugarhere says:

      It would have been handled better if William hadn’t leaked the whole thing, then started attacking his ‘fragile’ brother in public.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Nota, That is exactly what I thought. Harry said “ef you” because William leaked part of the exit negotiations to The Daily Fail and/or The Dim (I can never remember which one as they are so interchangeable).

      • notasugarhere says:

        Was it Shipman? Where is he?

        William wanted this chaos, he wanted them on the back foot. He thought he’d look like a hero, they’d look like idiots, and he’d ‘allow’ them to crawl back be under his boot forever. He’s always thought he was a PR genius, but he’s learning that outside the UK (and even inside it), people are tired of his saviour trope.

      • Becks1 says:

        No, I think the leak that prompted Sussexit was from Wootten.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Thank you, Becks1. There are so many RRs William has been pandering and leaking to, it is hard to keep them straight.

  11. Harla says:

    First off I don’t believe that William cautioning Harry to slow down their relationship led to this breach. As noted above, things seemed fine leading up to the wedding. Personally, I think once Meghan came on the scene Harry found someone who would support him in living a life he wanted to live. And Harry’s personal growth upset William, so of course Meghan must be to blame. Secondly, I think that Harry was seeing clearly, for perhaps the first time, the racism, classism and xenophobia in many of his friends and unfortunately in his own family. Once Harry’s eyes were open there was no going back. Lastly, I believe that the Sussex’s were hopeful that they would be able to stay and continue to work on behalf of the Queen, continue their Commonwealth work and Harry’s work with the military while not having to deal with the royal rota. Unfortunately the Firm is in too deep with the press and to cowardly to do the right thing.

  12. DP says:

    I think it’s all about jealousy and control. I think Kate and William never really accepted and embraced Megan. At best, they let the press abuse her and didn’t show any support.
    Then Andrew is credibly accused of being the disgusting rapist that he is, and most of the family supports him?
    I think Harry and Megan are doing the right thing! Getting some distance from toxic family members is sometimes necessary!
    I don’t think it was the plan from the beginning, but I do think it was in the works before Archie was born. I think Archie would have had a title otherwise.

    • Lady D says:

      You don’t think they would have discussed titling children before they got married?

      • Nic919 says:

        I think not giving Archie the junior title from the Sussex patent was the first indication that Harry and Meghan were looking to leave the family fold.

  13. Sofia says:

    Can they stick to a narrative please?

    Initially they said that the brothers had made up and the beef was with Charles

    Now they’re saying they haven’t made up?

    Wasn’t there a story the other day about how “miserable” Harry was and that he was constantly communicating with William wanting to come home and he was running to get his brother home? What happened to that?

    • BayTampaBay says:

      The Daily Fail, The Dim and The Slow will print ANYTHING to generate clicks!

    • MsIam says:

      Well, obviously Meghan and Doria have tied Harry up and are holding him prisoner in Vancouver. I expect William will be sending MI6 over any day now to free him. What with William’s special MI6 training and all, he will probably be leading the team.

  14. Brit says:

    I really doubt William cares because he and his wife have the spotlight they’ve been wanting. Let’s just hope that continues because it’s only a matter of time before the ass kissing and rave reviews start to wear thin. Also, did anyone see Emily Andrews tweets yesterday? LOL, reality has really set in for the clown rota that it’s back to the pre Meghan boredom coverage. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you. It was clear no one especially the media thought they would leave and now the revenue and checks have dried up.

    • GuestWho says:

      Emu’s tweets were nauseating…now she has such empathy! LOL. It read like an abusive spouse trying to talk his victim back home.

    • (TheOG)jan90067 says:

      OMG THAT PICTURE!!! Meghan, under a RAINBOW!!! Jesus, I didn’t even have to scroll down to find the suction of lips looking for an a$$ to kiss!

    • notasugarhere says:

      When Harry and Meghan launch a global foundation, when they are feted at Invictus Games in May, another big Sentebale Polo Cup in July? Expect a whole lot of PR spin and acting out from W&K. Lots of months of early PR for their failed yachting fundraiser, if they try to do that again.

      Those two RRs and their tweets were laughable and disgusting. Gosh, we were so supportive of her but she left anyway theme.

  15. lanne says:

    This all shows that these courtiers are short sighted idiots. Creating the situation where the Sussexes had no choice but to leave was stupid. Now, the Sussexes can make their own way, and once they launch their foundation and start working rings around the Cambridges, everyone will see what utter fools the RF actually are. What pull does the RF have over the Sussexes now? Money? Security? At some point, even that won’t matter anymore. They screwed themselves royally. The royal reporters screwed themselves royally. That’s all the royals really know how to do. Screw themselves. Royally. Have fun with Prince Andrew and the Cambridges! You broke it, you own it!

  16. Beff says:

    Harry has the receipts. Wills would prob be wise to stop the behind-the-scenes-bullying and let it go. Once the discovery is presented in the lawsuits against the press, I wonder how it’s going to look for KP, Clarence House et al?

    • Shirleygailgal says:

      Harry lost his case against the Daily Fail.

      • aria says:

        that is minor one as photo. he still has many.

      • notasugarhere says:

        They have multiple lawsuits pending. He has two against the Sun and Mirror for cell phone tapping. She has a huge one against the Fail for copyright infringement which has not started. They have a new injunction against the illegal photos of their rental property in Canada. He lost a minor Press Complaints one against the MOS (Middleton-connected, remember) for their wording about his animal conservation work.

      • LindaS says:

        @Notasugarhere thats a lot of lawsuits and injunctions. Many more and people are going to say Harry and Meghan are sure delicate snowflakes.

      • pineapple says:

        LindaS … one could see Harry and Meghan as delicate snowflakes OR ethical and moral and not willing to compromise themselves or their values to lies and racism and propaganda. So, you know, again, two sides to every story.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I’ll go with ethical and moral, too, pineapple. If William can use EU ‘right to a private life’ laws to force the RRs to shut up about his wandering Willy? Harry and Meghan are well within their rights to file lawsuits for basic, true things like copyright infringement, illegally obtained photos, phone hacking, and blatantly racist coverage in the media.

    • notasugarhere says:

      And for the Middletons, if there is proof of any Carole collusion.

      • Liz version 700 says:

        One of the DM reporters literally Tweeted “Carole call me” after the Sussexes announced they were leaving. They aren’t even pretending to be subtle.

  17. DS9 says:

    People keep saying things were fine until after the wedding but the leaks that came out afterwards, the ones centered around Meghan’s alleged ‘poor behaviour’ suggests that’s not true at all.

    I do believe William said things to Harry, likely low key racist insinuations that Harry chalked up to class differences in those early days, things he may not have made much of as they were probably suble.

    But those subtle comments magically become the basis of the majority of the rabid press post tour. The making Kate cry business, the tiara, the comments about the wedding planning itself, etc.

    I think at that point Harry realized his brother was playing reindeer games and Kate was either helping or passing to William little tidbits that William blew up.

    The press is something else but I believe it’s been the utter lack of meaningful support from his family that’s caused the real rift. To have this structure, this family that you’ve depended on and made excuses for all your life show their true colors, to cater to your brother’s worse impulses over and over again no matter how hard you and your wife work is soul sucking.

    And that’s to say nothing of how frustrating it must be to want to work, to actively be involved in social platforms as royalty ought but to be stymied at every turn.

    • S808 says:

      “To have this structure, this family that you’ve depended on and made excuses for all your life show their true colors, to cater to your brother’s worse impulses over and over again no matter how hard you and your wife work is soul sucking.” THIS!!!! I can only imagine Harry’s frustration.

    • Becks1 says:

      I think the wedding planning was bumpy but I give a lot of those stories a pass because I don’t really believe them. I don’t think there was any tantrum over a tiara (not by Meghan at any rate), I don’t believe scenting the chapel was an issue at all, etc.

      My guess is to the extent there were issues (including William cautioning Harry about moving too fast), they weren’t major but the post wedding abuse in the press and lack of support from the family made Harry look at all those issues in a different light.

      I do agree that I think the lack of support from the family was the real issue, especially if Harry learned details about how the family was encouraging the press. I think if the family had been more supportive H&M likely would have stayed.

      • DS9 says:

        @becks1, I don’t believe the stories as written but I think they all sprout from a seed. Meghan being shown tiaras and asking after one in particular, Meghan saying something innocuous about the fit of Charlotte’s dress, the discussion of scenting the church (which is a normal inquiry and has been done for other events)…

        People run into these catty, petty dynamics all the time, especially when the son of a prominent family is marrying an “outsider”.

      • Nic919 says:

        There have also been versions of the Kate crying story being the result of Charlotte misbehaving during the dress fitting and since they were pressed for time and had more than one child to fit, someone telling Kate to control her child, possibly Meghan being that person.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Kate has shown, publicly, she cannot manage Charlotte when she acts against script in public. Likely Nanny Maria would have been there, too. She’s always hidden in the background when we’re told Kate is ‘handling all the kids’. The other nannies being home with Louis while George was at school.

      • Bee says:

        And now we’re mom shaming.

      • notasugarhere says:

        And now we’re pointing out the obvious disconnect between Kate’s PR image as a full-time SAHM vs. the three nannies and the children’s public behavior towards their parents.

      • Hope says:

        When toddler Charlotte had a moment on the tarmac, Kate handled it very well and it clearly showed that Charlotte is used to seeing her mother as an authority figure and we’ve also had plenty of moments showing that Charlotte is very comfortable around Kate.

      • betsyh says:

        I don’t believe the stories either Becks1.

      • MsIam says:

        @Nic19, I can see a preschooler-toddler getting fidgety trying on an itchy-scratchy party dress and maybe even getting a little wild and restless. When my kids were little and that happened, I would immediately remove them from the situation. i did not, however burst into tears, even if someone said something. Which rarely happened because I could see with my own eyes what was going on and acted proactively. That is why this story always sounded crazy to me, that Kate would cry over this. Unless Meghan picked up a switch and started whipping on Charlotte which we know would never happen, I think that either that story was made up or something else was going on with Kate.

      • notasugarhere says:

        She was barely able to deal with her that tarmac, and couldn’t control her publicly at Pippa’s wedding or Louis’s christening.

    • TheOriginalMia says:

      Well said, DS9!

  18. leigh says:

    William suffers from sibling jealousy. He hates his role and its limitations and wants Harry to suffer those limitations in the same way. But Harry eclipsed Wills in finding real love with a truly beautiful, accomplished woman and Wills just does not have the generosity of spirit to let his brother shine. Harry can’t be both happy and popular! One or the other! Wills isn’t happy but he believes his reputation is in tact. He also believed that Harry was used to enduring bad press so Wills smeared his brother and new wife in what he thought was a playful game of brotherly one-upmanship. Until Harry called his bluff and left, dumping all the royal responsibility in Will’s lap. So yes, Wills is still mad and things aren’t good between the brothers.

    Wills is going to act out one way or another down the line. I wonder if he ever travels with Rose? She probably has access to quite a few discreet European country houses where they can meet up. Perhaps Wills will become more reckless in that kind of behavior to get back at his father for birthing him into this role?

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      Yes I agree that William will act out at some point – lets face it his father has found happiness as Harry has. It’s only a matter of time before Big Willy follows suit and takes drastic action that puts his happiness above everyone and everything else. And when that happens he will turn on Kate and the Middleton’s in the same way that he turned on his own brother and father.

      I have always said that William is repeating his fathers mistakes.

      • notasugarhere says:

        He repeats the mistakes of both Charles and Diana, this latest being he’s gotten in bed with the tabloids and is selling out access to his kids to cover his garden adventures.

    • aria says:

      i think in future, i wont be suprised if william divorce kate for rose or other woman. i think thats what kate and carole are pushing so much pr. even if that happens , kate wont have that much sympathy like diana, diana was child and liked by public. we can hardly see pople excited about kate apperances unless forced to be there because of their work. william is plotting his way out . during meghan and harry , kate was very happy because william is busy bullying sussex and managing rose bush. i dont think kate cares that william is having affair with rose, as along as she gets tiara and be future queen of consort she honestly i think she doesnt care. now sussex left , william has no one to bully, also might plot those rose in coming to same chruch as carole and kate prove that rose is very much in that circle. those are common in their circle . i think this made kate and carole in full on panick mode about their future. ppl always question how would rose leave those for royal life, maybe after her hubby died, rose is young and her hubby is old one. also william might promise that you dont have to work , like how kate manage not to work for 9 years and got away. also william might use charles pr campign for camilla to rose. honestly in few years ppl dont care about the future king divorce , kate is not diana .

      • DS9 says:

        I do not believe William would divorce Kate and I don’t believe anyone from their set would marry him, certainly not Rose.

        An aristo marrying a royal man is a serious downgrade.

        If that set was lining up at the door, Harry and William would have married one and done it sooner.

        These women have far more freedom and am abundance of anonymity that they aren’t trading for the grey men, petty squabbles, an out of touch granny, and the pedo uncles.

        What is more likely to me is a scandalous affair being leaked or William getting caught after years of increasing carelessness. Bored, unhappy men become foolish in their pursuits.

        But I doubt there will be much sympathy for Kate by the time that happens. His philandering will be expected, she’ll be seen as a fool to have put up with it, and her shitty work ethic won’t leave her with much grace.

        There will be no stories of blindsided Kate newly and living her best life.

      • Tessa says:

        Charles set the bar so the consorts became expendable. William could just, if he wanted to divorce Kate, just cite his father’s situation. Even Diana “ensuring the succession” did not mean anything, she was “out” when no longer needed. And Kate having more than two children would not necessarily ensure she is “safe.” Even if Kate does not complain, William would get more cold to her and not be shy about expressing his annoyance, if he finds someone he prefers. He’d use the “scarf routine” with Kate to snub her in public.

      • DS9 says:

        Tessa, I didn’t say Kate was safe.

        I said William isn’t going to divorce her without having another in mind and no one he’d find acceptable wants him. William may be a wanderer but he’s not a true playboy like previous scandal caught royals. He’s not having hot and heavy love affairs with magnetic women.

        Camilla has always been in Charles’s orbit. He knew they he could be with her somewhat discreetly and eventually rehab her enough to marry her. It also helped that he loved her.

        William and Kate could be forced to divorce if it gets toxic enough but Kate wouldn’t devolve into that game.

      • aria says:

        @ds9 , in the end of the day william cares about william. charles successfully rehabiliated camilla into royal fold and public life. william has those same ruthless pr team. thats why kate is becmoing skinny and carole is pushing endless stories about how only kate can save the monarchy. her fake smile is very obvious from the photos. honestly whatever rf does in future , it will be no way near andrew crime. william knows no matter what he does , kate will turn blindeye for tiara and title. thats why he divorce her not the other way around. windsor men put their happiness above all. divorcing kate might not be unacceptable if harry didnt marry divorcee and be in line to throne or beatrice didnt marry hubby with son. the public and rf accept these, they will accept william divorcing. its one of the reason why we are seeing kate more and more in public , remind public that kate is william first wife very much alive. otherwise no one in cares about her other those crazy stans of kate. also his brother found happiness, now its time for william. i always love her stans push they are so in love when william doesnt bother even look at her, sometimes leave her behind. for this her stans will makeup fake protocol that wife should walk behind. i mean cambridges are the one pushing that story of moderzing the rf then what the hell in 21 century woman should walk behind his hubby?

      • DS9 says:

        Again, my argument isn’t that divorce wouldn’t be allowed. The majority of the royal family is divorced.

        I maintain William isn’t hopping out of the image of the proper married royal heir family without another to take its place.

        And I do believe he’s attached to Carole as a mother figure. And Carole knows the image and stability of family even if just in appearance is important to him.

        William doesn’t strike me as someone who could be satisfied by marrying for grand passion. At minimum, he would need to find someone a bit like Wallis Simpson sans the Nazi connections.

        For all we talk of Wallis, and their grand passion, her primary appeal was that she was willing to handle everything to make his life easy, including managing his emotions. She ended up having to mother and nurture him for the rest of their lives.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        Aaria – I do not think Rose will ever leave her husband, David Rocksavage. I definitely do not think Rose would leave her husband for a loser like Normal Bill and all the micro-scrutiny by The Daily Fail, The Sloe and The Dim.

        @DS9 – Could William possibly be in love with Carole Middleton??? LOL! LOL! Carole is really just another version of Wallis minus the Nazi connections!

      • aria says:

        baytampa you never know. if her hubby dies , he is old , how she will protect those estate from other preying people? plus her kids are young and if she wants quite life afte this scandal , she should not be seen in public. instead she was with william and kate in chruch outing. i mean after public scandal, if she wants normal life why on earth she was spotted with cambridges? she can easily decline queen invition to chruch . her hubby is top in food chain than the queen. maybe not rose , someone else might be in picture. remember charles have two mistress. maybe she has thing for those tiara and title who knows. now camilla doesnt have any scrunity by those rr because ruthless pr by charles. william will do the same if the situtaion arises. he didnt do anything for kate but in twitter there is no rose hanbury hastags or tweets. rose hubby doesnt care any of this because many rumors is that rose is beard in that realtionship. david is always in paris alleged bussiness partner(life partner)which is not accepted by their circle by their circle accept spouses cheating on eachother.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I wouldn’t be surprised if William is unhealthily attached to Carole. That’s what has always been part of that relationship. Kate is the bedmate, Carole is the counsellor, pillow talker, comforter, mother figure, person who keeps W&K together by keeping the peace.

      • MsIam says:

        I still believe Kate and the Middletons days are numbered. And I think that “power behind the throne” story about Carole was the first shot. Either Carole pushed that to embiggen herself at William’s expense or Charles put it out there to make William look weak. Either way, I don’t see how a big, fragile ego like William’s would tolerate that.

      • Tessa says:

        I have seen with the Charles and Diana situation that in the end “only” Charles happiness counted and I noticed some media comments about how “happy” Charles is now. Never mind his ex wife’s feelings. If Kate and William breakup and he moves on it will be the same thing, Kate will not get sympathy of course in the royal PR but William “looking happier” will be celebrated and be the main thing.

  19. janey says:

    Harry and Meghan put more thought into Sussexit than Kate put into Early Years and the Struggle Survey” – I put more thought into my outfit this morning than Kate put into that sham.

  20. S808 says:

    Anyone who thought they’d made up were deluding themselves. They probably have a lot of issues that may never be resolved. Some that have to do with these past 3 years and some that have probably been festering since childhood. What The Firm did to Meghan and Archie is unforgivable imo. If I were Harry I’d communicate with them on a “absolutely have to” basis only. I see them completely breaking away once the Queen dies. I think Harry’s plan was always to have a more muted role once the Queen died anyway.

    I truly wonder what the final straw was….if discussion started early 2019 then I wanna say when Archie was compared to a monkey HOURS after being born and no one said anything. But Meghan had also experienced and unprecedented amount of abuse by then….Idk. I feel like there were so many instances where they could’ve been like “fuck y’all and fuck this. We’re out.”

    • Guest says:

      Archie being compared to a chimp and also a spoiled brat in less then 9 months. The fact that charles or William couldn’t stand up and defend archie over the bs I think showed harry just how awful his family really is.

    • notasugarhere says:

      It may have started even earlier. Who leaked the Frogmore Cottage scoop to that RR, after all the Meghan-bashing stories around the wedding? Once Meghan saw W&K had no real interest in charity work, and she saw the shambles of the finances? Rumors of Household split and Foundation split were late 2018. This has been coming for a long time.

    • TheOriginalMia says:

      I’ve wondered if one of the children said something to Harry. Something that a child might have overheard his parents/grandparents saying and repeated it innocently to Harry. It happens. I’ve done it. Outed a friend of my dad’s affair by mentioning the mistress to the wife. Something happened after the wedding to make the situation between the brothers worse.

  21. Guest says:

    The British media know nothing about harry and Meghan anymore. Their sources cany give them info anymore. Harry and Meghan have been gone for a few weeks now and kate and William arent bringing in the attention out side the royal reporters and British tabloids.

    Harry was smart to walk away. Let his dad and brother duke it out for the attention.

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      This rush of recent public engagements from the Cambridges is short lived – they usually go on holiday with the Middleton’s at this time of year and once that happens we won’t see them for a while until the summer calendar picks up and we get Trooping etc..

      It will be interesting to see what happens then, when the tabloids have no royal news to generate clicks with – Big Willy’s Rose trimming tips might make the headlines again.

      • Nic919 says:

        They really have not done much more than in recent years though. As usual with them it will be the end of year numbers that show if there was an actual increase.

  22. Awkward symphony says:

    The last paragraph saying “Perhaps [Meghan and Harry] didn’t think things through exactly as they could have, but they wanted to be happy,” adds the family friend. “Who can blame them for that?” 👈 is clue to to this being another Kensington palace spokesperson pushing for this. The cambridges have used this magazine for years especially giving access during their US tour(where kate was photographed chatting with Rees Witherspoon). The Sussexs used that precedent to their advantage to counter Thomas’s lies but unfortunately people want to push it as a Meghan friendly mag!!

  23. Scollins says:

    I wonder if the truth about this will ever be revealed. I doubt H&M have any desire to blab, it just doesn’t seem to be their style. I have a feeling their treatment by the royals was worse than we think.
    Maybe this has been discussed already but Kate’s light blue dress would be lovely except for the sleeve length. Also, I’m really so sick of her same-same dress designs. Stop it! It’s 80s school teacher dresses.

    • Becks1 says:

      I agree that I think their treatment by the royal family must have been a lot worse than anyone knows. Remember the comments about how “things were said that cant be unsaid” etc. I don’t think we will ever know what really went on but my guess is that it was bad. There’s a reason Meghan went back to Canada almost immediately.

      • GuestOne says:

        They keep dancing around the “are you sure” comment leading to issues with the brothers.

        Think there’s more to it then that. I also think the narrative about Harry coming back with no reference to Archie makes me wonder if any sense of care for Archie. It’s pretty gross

        Someone found Charles communication guy’s tweets (he’s now gone private) and he has history of liking derogatory tweets about Meghan, race& even this Dim article about Meghan’s rear end. Doubt it was healthiest environment for her.

      • Hope says:

        What if the Are you sure? comment and the “concern” that they were rushing things was meant as a way to justify not speaking up against the abuse. -He’s made his own bed, let him lie in it.- And that’s why the family felt justified in not saying anything. And that’s why the fallout happened after the wedding.

        So that way it would be true that concern about rushing into things was part of the reason for the fallout. The other part being the the family was encouraging the leaks and bad press.

        They feel like they didn’t need to be more inviting because they were angry she was there in the first place so they did the bare minimum and then let the press know they wouldn’t say anything in her defense. The press knows they’re not going to be scolded so they run mad.

        The BRF never supported the marriage but knew Harry would leave if said no so they gave him what he wanted and then helped make it horrible for him. They’re banking on him not being able to thrive outside the family and would probably even aid in that happening.

        Why would that family ever welcome a biracial divorced actress? They’re probably furious that Harry has subjected them to this.

    • S808 says:

      I think it was worse than we’ll ever know tbh. Harry’s haunting “if you knew what I knew” comment during the SA tour documentary tells us there’s probably a lot of horrible shit we’ll probably never know about.

  24. dynastysurf says:

    Wait wait wait, is this not the same magazine we were talking about yesterday when we said the Sussexes go there when they want to get their side of the story out? Re: a different portion of this same story??? But now suddenly we can’t trust any of it, because it’s all William’s people. Got it.

    • DS9 says:

      You don’t know how People magazine works, do you?

    • Guest2.0 says:

      People magazine is friendly to whoever will give them news. People is not wedded to any one camp…they’re always willing to print both sides from whoever.

  25. THEREALME says:

    So…’s not like any of us actually know anything about how this went down but here is my two cents. I agree with posters who think Harry has wanted out for years. I think he has found it very hard, like anyone would, to deal with the fact that the order of the birth made William an heir and him a spare. Because of this he has had to play second to William, not in the hearts of the people, but in all the other ways in the family. He also loathes the media. I do believe that William cautioned him and Harry is very emotional and he was in love and it made him angry. I think the wedding was stressful and did not endear Meghan to the family at large. I think she may have been a bit of a bridezilla. In all honesty though, I think that the family was furious at the other wedding when they announced the pregnancy. I think they felt the couple tried to upstage their moment in the sun. I think that things were very messy. Between all this and the press I think they decided to leave. Honestly I think it is the healthy thing for all parties and good for Harry. I don’t think however it was well planned I think it was rushed and that they felt that by announcing early they would get more of what they wanted but that worked against them. I think they just could not wait to leave. I think that they are very fortunate to have all the money behind them or this move would be very stressful. They would have to start to hustle right away to make money except they are in the 1% so they are fortunate. I think they will do well but I also think that once the anger starts to lessen Harry will become a bit homesick. It’s hard to leave country, friends and family all behind.

    • Nic919 says:

      Mike Tindall confirmed that they all knew about the pregnancy prior to Eugenie’s wedding through their group What’s app chat.

      Besides she was visibly pregnant and couldn’t hide it at this point. There was no announcement.

      • leigh says:

        The Yorks were angry that Meg’s pregnancy announcement hit the headlines two days after Eugenie’s wedding. The Yorks were probably looking forward to a week’s worth of residual good press/navel gazing about Blood Princess Eugenie and whomp! Meg’s pregnancy sucked all that newspaper inches the Yorks waited for and felt they deserved. They got only 1-2 days of press coverage before being usurped by Megs and that was what triggered them.

        We’ve all seen up close what a self-centered human being Andrew is …. so I don’t think we can discount the Yorks’ feeling overshadowed or their hand in smearing H&M.

      • Tessa says:

        Leigh, the Yorks should have been grateful to Harry and Meghan. He unlike his brother extended an invitation to Fergie to his wedding. William did not invite Fergie and Fergie complained to the media. I don’t see there is any rule that a pregnancy can’t be announced by a relative at the time of or near a wedding. I have seen it happen at weddings I’ve attended where the sister of the bride or another relatives makes the announcements. People are happy and don’t grumble and grouse over it.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Harry has always known he was the spare, and he has never wanted to be king. He has no jealousy of William’s position and never has. But William? William has always hated his role, always hated the idea of being king. Now his former scapegoat brother has gotten out, with the love of his life, and is free to do whatever he wants. William’s jealous fit and descent into worse behavior has only just begun.

    • HK9 says:

      This think about William cautioning his brother….Harry is not 21, or 25, he’s a grown man in his mid 30s. He’s had many relationships and knew what he wanted. There was no need to date/cheat on/breakup with and date again as William had done. William is a typical self-centered older sibling who thinks their way is the right was simply because that’s the way they did it and that they did it first. We all know there’s no ‘guidance’ coming from William.

      • Yeah and this “cautioning his brother” always makes it sound like William just uttered a simple, one sentence statement in a normal voice and that Harry went so ballistic over it that their relationship imploded. I’ll bet it was an ugly, loud argument where some truly nasty things were said byWilliam about why Harry needed to take it slower. That kind of argument would make more sense. I think it’s William’s team that has pushed the BS that William made one little concerned comment and Harry blew it all out of proportion. Harry and Meghan had a fairly normal timeline for engagement. They dated pretty seriously, and fairly anonymously for a year before they went public. Then engaged then married. William’s decade long courtship while he broke up constantly and seriously went after other women is the weird one to me.

    • GuestWho says:

      You think all of this based on what? What the tabloids tell you? What tumblr tells you is the day’s narrative? None of this makes sense when you look at her ACTUAL reputation – you know the one she had before the BRF and the RRs decided to destroy it. Nothing in her past suggests she would be a bridezilla – just the opposite in fact. And the information that continues to come out makes it sound like it was far more than a gentle warning to slow down from brother Cain. Sounds a lot like the racist crap started there and then.

      They didn’t announce the pregnancy at Eugenie’s wedding. That’s a fact that has been confirmed by members of the family. Again, you’re saying that because you are either immersed in the tabloid culture or the tumblr/twitter culture that hates Meghan. It just isn’t true, and it doesn’t matter how many times you say it – it will never be true.

      They announced early because William’s team leaked the information to Dan Wootton who gave them a 10-day deadline to comment. The announcement was their comment. Billy wanted to be able to stear the narrative, and that was taken away from him and so he threw his usual tantrums and made his common threats to ensure Harry was punished for not falling in line. H&M still won, because ultimately they wanted their freedom and safety, especially for their son.

      How concerned were you when Meghan left country, friends and family behind – and was then viciously attacked by the Megxit scum on twitter – you’re using their narrative – and by the UK press as a rabid pack? I’m guessing not at all, because you seem to be one of those people who don’t see her as fully human. Wonder why…

      Stop getting your information from tabloids and twitter.

    • February Pisces says:

      When people say they announced the pregnancy at Eugenies wedding, do they actually imaging Meghan interrupting the best man speech and standing on a table shouting it down a microphone?
      Whenever you go to a family wedding all anyone asks you is when’s it your wedding (if you not married) then when are you having a baby (if your married with no kids yet) then it’s when are you thinking of having a second baby (if you already have 1). If she’s past the 3month mark and people are asking when they are going to have a baby, why not tell them.

      • Emmitt says:

        Yes, they actually believe Meghan got up on the dais, snatched the mic from the best man/Beatrice and shouted YO I’M PREGNANT!

  26. Margareth says:

    The Royal Family is garbage, the Cambridges are snakes and the Sussexes did the best thing that he could do going to Canada. This is the truth at the end

  27. kerwood says:

    I don’t believe Harry was sweating what William said about moving too quickly with Meghan. I think a sibling WOULD say something like that, even a good sibling. Harry probably set William straight and moved on. Things went south between the brothers when Harry and Meghan became international super-stars. THAT’S what set William off, aided and abetted by Ma Middleton and her media contacts.

    I don’t think that BRF thought Harry would actually DO IT. He’s been talking about getting out for years but he never did anything. His family didn’t realize that things had changed. Harry had never witnessed or experienced the kind of racist abuse his wife was subjected to. He had a family to protect and most importantly, he had a partner who loved and supported him. It’s a sad commentary about the rest of his family that none of them understood how much of a difference love and support was and what it felt like to sacrifice for someone you love.

    • notasugarhere says:

      I never cautioned my brother about moving quickly with my SIL, 10 happy years and two kids later. Not everyone needs 10 years to chase all other opportunities before settling.

      I don’t think the BRF thought Harry would leave either. The underlying message that keeps coming out is, Harry is welcome back but Meghan and Archie do not exist.

      • kerwood says:

        @notasugarhere, and they send this message out because they KNOW that Harry will never leave his family behind. So the BRF can PRETEND they’re waiting with open arms. The evil of these people is incredible.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I don’t think they knew that about Harry until he walked out the door, then stepped off the plane on the tarmac in Canada a happy free man. They have all been surprised by the Harry that has emerged in the last five years. Seeiso knew it, knew people didn’t know the real Harry, but the royals underestimated him for three decades.

      • Liz version 700 says:

        Not sugar here that is so true and so creepy. The constant “Harry abandon your son and come back” comments and overtones in stories. Like we can just erase that wife and child if you come back…. so so gross and gives you an idea of how sociopathic this family is regarding their children (like they are decorations that can be boxed up and put away).

    • Tessa says:

      A good sibling gives his brother space and not play “guardian” and that he knows “best.” William I think got above himself in this regard. It was none of his business.

    • Emmitt says:

      I think William’s “are you sure?” comment probably had a subtext of racism:

      William: Are you sure?

      Harry: Yes, I’m the luckiest guy in the world!

      William: But are you sure?

      Harry: Yes, I’m sure. Why do you keep asking?

      William: Because she’s, you know…

      Harry: She’s what?

      William: You know…

      Harry: No, I don’t know.

      William: She’s not one of us.

      Harry: She’ll adjust to living in the UK, she’s amazing and can do anything she puts her mind to.

      William: We don’t marry people like her, you know.

      Harry: Grandfather said you don’t marry actresses, you f**k them. Well, I’m marrying Meghan and that’s that. I know we come from different backgrounds but we love each other and want to make this work. I can’t give her up, I love her.

      William: Oh. Ok.

      I don’t think William said anything outwardly racist about Meghan to Harry but I think Harry’s probably replayed that conversation in head a thousand times and realized William’s “Are you sure?” was referring to Meghan’s race.

  28. anon says:

    Good morning!

    I’ve said right here on these pages that it wasn’t The Queen or Prince Charles. It was William who pulled the lever, and who outed himself as the squeaky-leaky.

    The People article confirms all this, but the phrase that identifies KP here is “didn’t think things through.”

    That is pure Dull Bill. Right there. That is the Easter Egg that will only serve to fuel the fire in this feud, because it continues the blameshifting narrative that needs to stop.

    William the Teller was Jlo’ed (and by Jlo’ed, I mean, he was given proprietary information that could only have come from him, and then he went to the DS, thus proving what his brother had suspected for months – he’s a shady leaker using the press for his own gain). Trust was betrayed, and H&M hence pushed the eject button.

    Since their departure, they haven’t said a word, so there was no reason for this piece, other than to push the pretense that the brothers are “talking.”

    They are not.

    • morrigan01 says:

      Ah, so Harry gave Will false info and he ran to the tabs with it? Yikes.

      I was under no doubt that the two hadn’t made up and weren’t speaking. Frankly, all the RP saying they had or were just “sounded” like William to me, you know? There was no touch of Harry in it or about it. Especially those press releases about them being okay, or William not being a bully.

    • February Pisces says:

      @anon What about how the rest of the RF think of williams actions towards harry. They seem to just sit back and watch him ruin the monarchy.

      I wonder if William will ever get exposed for what he’s done.

    • The truth is none of us knows if they are speaking or not.

    • Candikat says:

      Totally. They both have (allegedly) used this tactic to gauge their friends’ loyalty for years. Kind of hilarious that William fell victim to his own game.

  29. Awkward symphony says:

    “Wait wait wait, is this not the same magazine we were talking about yesterday when we said the Sussexes go there when they want to get their side of the story out? Re: a different portion of this same story??? But now suddenly we can’t trust any of it, because it’s all William’s people. Got it.”

    You’re basically proving my point. Cambridge stans/RRs and mgxt crowd likes to make it as Meghan’s outlet when in reality just like the Christmas break/Not attending sandringham walk of shame it was a PRECEDENT set by others and the magazine is HEAVILY used by the cambridges. I mean princess Anne even became their cover girl in the year of her attempted kidnapping!!🙄

  30. David says:

    The story about moving too soon is silly. In close friend/familial relationships, these are some normal discussions.

  31. Deeanna says:

    It is a real shame that what with all the advanced treatments available nowadays William never sought out hair replacement when he first began losing it.

    • BayTampaBay says:

      I have always thought that part of Normal Bill’s attitude problem toward the world in general is that he lost his looks at fairly young age.

  32. JJ says:

    I think the real falling out was over Meghan’s hard work and numerous ideas at the Royal Foundation which Cambridges wanted run through them for approval first so that Kate could have first dibs to use for public appearances, share with Kate, or otherwise tamp down to not steal Cambridges thunder. That explains the separation of the Foundations and also the rift.

    • notasugarhere says:

      I agree, Meghan showed up to work not for PR photo ops like W&K. When the dodgy finances and the laziness of W&K became apparent, the Household and Foundation splits were inevitable.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        When did the story about “dodgy finances” come out? I missed that one.

      • notasugarhere says:

        They first started coming out right after the success of the Together cookbook. Harry and Meghan were bringing in the only money, which was shown in the financials a few months later. And the public article about ‘ringbarking’ the Together funds so they couldn’t be misused by the rest of the Foundation.

    • Yeah. That ‘Fab 4’ interview is uncomfortable to rewatch. I think there were some real issues even then. William’s reactions and body language whenever the focus is on Meghan is telling.

  33. SJR says:

    All this ongoing drama in the BRF makes me realize again that the only difference between my family and The Firm is that my family has no money or press connections. But, the drama, fighting, bitching and moaning at every turn is most certainly the same.

    I stopped speaking to2 of my brothers over 20 years ago simply to preserve my own sanity.
    Control issues, constantly being bullied, etc. Hey Harry, I know how that goes, brother.

    William has some issues he got directly from Diana..she treated him as her therapist not her child, he has bonded with Carol Middleton as his mother replacement, and I do think William married the Middleton family much more than he married Kate.

    Face facts The Firm will end shortly after Liz passes.
    William, Harry and their children will still be victims of paps/public attention.

    • Scollins says:

      I don’t believe that about Diana using Wills as her therapist. Ridiculous

      • Tessa says:

        That is propaganda from Penny Junor about Diana, unfortunately some don’t consider the source–Junor can’t stand Diana and openly says she has soft spot for Charles and Camilla. William has a lot of issues from his father, he lacks the warmth his mother had and is self entitled and tends to blame others.

        William was nobody’s therapist. His mother was known to call him out when he got above himself. She did not want him to grow up as entitled (which he ended up being so since she died when he was in his early teens) and would give him chores and not let the servants pick up after him.

        I don’t think Carole is a mother replacement for William.

  34. Soupie says:

    Well don’t they look like a happy bunch! 🤯This old photo has new meaning now.

  35. paddingtonjr says:

    I think William needs to realize that he needs Harry more than Harry needs him. William will need someone to turn to as he gets closer to the throne. TQ had her sister, her mother and Philip. Charles has Anne whom he can trust to do her own thing and stay busy, the Wessexes to cheerfully do the grunt work while keeping up the Duke of Edinburgh Award Scheme and Camilla by his side (to whatever extent works for them). Without Harry, who does Normal Bill have? Kate, who seems to do whatever William or her mother tell her to do?

    I do think the “Fab Four” could have worked, despite the separate offices and patronages. Had W&K made some compromises and stood up for H&M, they good have been great together.

  36. aquarius64 says:

    For those of us who suspected date night at the BAFTAs was not a good time had by the Cambridges

    So W & K don’t like being clowned in public? A big departure from the “sourceless” backbiting via media flunkies. The clause for their appearances at engagements is really ridiculous ; it shows how thin skinned they are. The Cambridges- the less crass Trumps with titles.

  37. blunt talker says:

    I read from a magazine that is not a tabloid- that Harry told a very good friend he had an exit plan from the spotlight. This was reported in Dec. 2018. They have been getting this plan together all of 2019. They tried talking to the royal family about their plans but was pooed about it . When the queen made her statement about them leaving-she said this was being discussed for many months-all of 2019. The royal family was trying to get them to change their minds but to the Sussexes the damage had already been done and was left with no choice.