A few days ago, the Daily Telegraph had an article about the formalizing of the Sussexit deal and how Prince Harry and Duchess Meghan will probably have to take off the “royal” from Sussex Royal. The point of the story was not that, though. The point of the Telegraph story was that “a door was left ajar for the Duke.” A door was not left ajar for Harry AND Meghan, mind you. But in one year’s time, if Harry agrees to abandon his wife and child and come crawling back to his bully brother and his rapist-protecting grandmother, Harry will find that a door has been “left ajar” for him to come back into the royal fold.
That’s where we are now. That’s the official messaging from Buckingham Palace and what I assume from Kensington Palace as well. It wasn’t just the Telegraph with that same message and that exact same wording either – “a door being left ajar for Prince Harry solo” was in the air and part of a lot of the Royal Rota commentary. They didn’t pull it out of thin air. For example, look at this curious statement from (you guessed it) Dan Wooten, the guy getting all of those suspicious leaks from Camp Cambridge.
More details surrounding the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s departure from the Royal Family have emerged. Harry and Meghan will formally step down as senior royals from March 31 and will no longer carry out duties on behalf of the Queen. However, the arrangements will be reviewed after 12 months with royal commentator Richard Fitzwilliams telling talkRADIO’s Dan Wootton this may be the monarch “leaving open the possibility” for their return.
Mr Wootton told his listeners: “Prince Harry and Meghan will be turfed out essentially from March 31; no office at Buckingham Palace, no staff at Buckingham Palace. But what did interest me quite a lot about this announcement is that there is this one year Megxit transition period in which it seems like there’s a little bit of hope from the Royal Family that maybe, just maybe, Prince Harry will think ‘I’ve got it all wrong, I’ve made a terrible mistake, let me come back’. I think the chances of that right now remain low.”
The thing is, I absolutely do not doubt that this is the way the Queen thinks, and the way the fussy, musty courtiers think. They truly believe that if they play it right, if they are more strategic in their bullying and smears, maybe they can drive a wedge between Harry and Meghan to the point where just Harry will come back. It’s pathetic, isn’t it?
As for the continuing conversation about the Queen taking away the “royal” from Sussex Royal, one intrepid Fox News royal commentator – Neil Sean – has a source who claims that Harry and Meghan are actually quite torn up about it:
“After weeks of talks, the queen and senior officials are believed to have told the couple the term ‘royal’ is inconsistent with their ‘branding,’ U.K.-based media correspondent Neil Sean told Fox News on Wednesday. “This has not gone down well with the couple who truly thought they were fine with… re-branding themselves. Now the queen has other plans, too, which will make the ongoing push to be [independent] harder than they first thought.”
According to Sean, a palace source told him: “They have not banked on this move at all from the queen. What she has effectively done is close down any type of royal branding. This will create problems, particularly in the U.S. where the term ‘royal’ means so much in terms of branding.”
I honestly don’t think Harry and Meghan are sitting there, crying into their Subway veggie 12-inchers, thinking about how much money they’re going to lose because they can’t sell Sussex Royal tchotchkes. That being said, I actually don’t agree with the Sussex Squad on the whole “Harry and Meghan were totally prepared for this and they’re totally fine with it” argument either. I think the Queen and her people are petty AF and the royal-brand switch-up was probably a surprise to Harry and Meg.
What was for the fairies in 2020 – part time royal, part time earner of serious money – may prove more palatable in 2021, when the Queen turns 94.
— Peter Hunt (@_PeterHunt) February 19, 2020
It’s striking that Harry’s honorary role of Captain General Royal Marines isn’t being filled for 12 months. The royal door remains ajar: https://t.co/ma09Wxm7vK
— Peter Hunt (@_PeterHunt) February 19, 2020
Photos courtesy of Avalon Red.
I really loathe the Royal Family now. Hope the monarchy falls apart after Liz dies.
They certainly seem to be digging their own graves as fast as they can. Too bad it’s at H&M’s family’s expense.
If Harry & Megan are anything like me, everything the firm is doing is just validating their decision and reaffirming that the BRF isn’t just toxic, they’re petty & vindictive enough that they are going out of their way to try to publicly humiliate Harry (not to mention make it clear that Harry is only acceptable to them if he leaves his wife and distances himself from his son). This is a very bad look for the firm unless they are banking on the RW nutjob lead attempt at the 4th Reich taking over the world and eventually getting a nice attaboy for cutting “mongrels” out of the BRF. Considering the pains the family went to distance themselves from the nazi lover who abdicated, I don’t think Liz would get the welcome she’d expect from parents when she passes if this were the case
I don’t think you’ll have to hope too hard for that one. Britain is going to be dealing with Brexit fallout for a long time, so the patience for the Royal Family’s expensive bullsh*t is going to be extremely low.
Brits are brainwashed from birth about this family. They’re not going anywhere for at least another generation or two, sadly, despite their monstrous behaviour.
Agreed Bella. The Stockholm syndrome is real. After centuries of imposing themselves and terrorizing the serfdom the transformation is complete. The torture chambers are no longer necessary. The lower classes willingly accept their position and the divine right of the Windsors to be curtsied to and afforded the greatest luxuries and privileges known to man.
I agree Bella. The monarchy is woven very tightly into the fabric that is Britain. It isn’t going anywhere anytime soon — and everyone in power knows it. If Kaiser’s analysis is right it is just heartbreaking. I put myself in Meghan’s shoes and think how do you get through standing in the same room or sitting down to a meal with the family of the man you love knowing they ALL not only want you and your son gone, but are actively doing everything they can to pressure your husband to abandon you. How does your marriage stand that kind of stress? Can it survive it? (I mean this is no private family that you can move away from and change your contact info to avoid — this family lives on a world stage and has enormous power and influence.) And what of Harry? If this scenario is real, then the numerous leaks to press about Harry’s mental fragility and subservience to his wife makes sense. They want him to see himself as fragile and having been led to a bad choice by Meghan. Harry must see that his family are going to do everything they can, use whatever they know about him to break him, destroy his marriage, and reject his dearly loved son. If they are successful, I think Harry will end up a broken shell of a human being: depressed, hard drinking, and probably suicidal. Is that really a successful outcome for the Firm? I’m not sure I can buy in to this being the Firm’s game plan because surely they would know Harry well enough to know this goal would break him. As to the ‘royal’ farandango, if the Sussexes have been surprised and saddened by this decision, I am truly sorry. As Kaiser said, they were NOT prepared for this scorched earth approach from his father, his brother, and his grandmother. Again, if there is truth in this game plan, then I pray for them as individuals, as a husband and a wife, and as parents to stay strong and not let this unbelievably toxic scenario play out. This game plan — if true — certainly takes the Queen’s public statements of their still being loved and part of the family to a whole other level of malevolence. I am just not buying this — I think this is William’s and the Royal Rota’s PRAYER – and thinking if they throw it out there it might stick. I just don’t want to go there with the Queen and Charles.
Unfortunately I think they would prefer if Harry were depressed and suicidal to remaining married to a mixed race American entrepreneur, LCL. I think they see moral fibre as a concern for the ‘little people’
Theres plenty of us Brits that arent brainwashed into believing this family is the be all and end all.
@JALowcountry, I can see your concern for Meghan and Archie but I think it may be misplaced. By that, I mean I truly think The Queen very much wants all of the Sussex s back in England or, at least, back to being working members of the royal family. The Sussex’s own website notes and underlined The Queen’s statement that “they are still a very valued and much loved member of her family”.
The Queen and Meghan as well as Prince Charles and Meghan seemed to enjoy each other very much until After Archie was born. It seems by then the Sussex s very much wanted distance and privacy. That is normal for many new families. It is also normal for a couple having wonderful but huge changes in their lives within a couple of years to overcompensate for all of the new pressures, responsibilities, and simple desire to protect their sweet baby and so many couples make rash decisions. This may not be the case with the Sussex s at all but I do believe Charles and The Queen hope that it is so that a years break may have the couple reconsidering those decisions made in a flurry of newlyweds with a brand new baby, and the world’s most aggressive tabloids watching them to him up a story whether it is there or not.
I would wager that The Queen very much wants Harry and Meghan to rejoin the family as working royals and assets to the family. I feel she will likely bend over backward to accommodate as many of their wishes as she can. I think anything from living in another commonwealth country to limiting their public engagements will be acceptable. I think the non-negotiable items will be attempting to effectively set up a separate court or monetizing themselves in any way. I think supporting Meghan doing fulfilling work is very much expected and desired as long as that work follows royal protocol (i.e. no public political statements and working with all senior royals so that no two are grabbing headlines on the same day).
@ DarlingDiana, If that is the queen and Charle’s end goal, they sure have a funny/weird way of showing it but WE. I really don’t get why grabbing headlines is such a big deal for this freakish family, just y’all do your job and work, work and work some more. The more they ALL work the more the media is gonna be spread out and cover everyone, there’s more than enough media attention to go around for everybody for crying out loud. They’all so jealous and petty about who gets the spotlight blah, blah blah, what the hell? Meghan and Harry already told them they aren’t interested in their media attention, all this freakish family needs to do is stop trashing the Sussexes and order their minions to focus all attention on them and all would be well, no? Though the way the whole lot of them are I doubt that would happen; the rest of them are duller than dish water it would take a bulldozer and then some to pull and force just one media person to ignore the Sussexes and focus all attention on the Cambridges at al.
Jessica Agreed. Wouldn’t mind if it falls apart before old Lizzie does.
I think public opinion will change significantly after the Queen passes.
There are a LOT of people who respect for the Queen and they’re the ones not looking too closely right now. Remember that there are 3 generations who have only ever known her as monarch. They won’t hear a word against her because she just IS. There are a lot of people who say “I like the Queen but have no time for the rest of them.” Even a lot of republicans who have no time for the monarchy feel like they can’t say anything against the Queen because the public is overhelmingly in her favour.
Charles though, has a bad history that people still remember and he will get a lot more scrutiny when he gets the throne. I think there will be a change loyalty from the commonwealth and republicans will get more vocal.
I agree Belli. It’s one thing to be loyal to the nation’s very elderly grandmother. Even as an American- albeit huge Anglophile- I can’t imagine turning on a woman who has devoted her life to service (as she understands it). I don’t agree with many of the values of her generation but I loved my grandparents and all they represented. That said, I have no understanding of how anyone can contemplate an RF post Liz. Charles maybe for a few transitional years, but Williams? Let’s be serious.
I couldn’t have imagined ever turning on her either, bettyrose, and then she took a car ride with a pedophile, making it plain where her deranged loyalties lay. Over 50 years of being proud of our queen and then I watch her allow the first AA member of her family to be destroyed while she beams in the presence of her favourite pedophile. It took one look at that smile to see her for what she was. FTR, I’m a little heartbroken over this. My whole life I’ve wanted to go to Britain to see the queen and her castles. I believe I’m British in my soul and British in a previous life. The changes I’ve seen in that country in the last two years hurts. The rest of the UK however is more than worth visiting.
Lady D –
All I can say is don’t let it stop you from visiting. The living history in Britain is fascinating. Walking through small villages that are culturally similar to the U.S. but with shops nestled into buildings dating back 1,000 years is humbling. I don’t yet know how to reconcile Liz’s simultaneous cold shoulder to Meghan and warm embrace of Andrew. Racism and nepotism are sadly not foreign to the English mindset, but Britain is also well acquainted with powerful women in a way the U.S. still has difficulty with. There’s a part of me that would still consider life in Britain if it were an option (oddly, there isn’t a huge demand for U.S. credentialed English teachers in Britain).
Yes, as Anglophile born in America, I’d go to Britain to visit the small villages, the Lake District and the moors. Branch out to Cornwall and Wales, with a dose of Ireland and Scotland thrown in. The town of York, the seat of the Plantagenet Yorks’ power during the War of the Roses and where Roman walls still stand. York Minster as well. The sheer history and antiquity of it all are just mind boggling to me, and the last point of interest would be anything that approaches the current day monarchy. Keep the Crown Jewels, the Tower of London and Buckingham Palace, I’d be heading to other more tantalizing places.
I kind of hope she gets to see the monarchy die, now. I used to hold her in such high esteem. Not any more.
this +1000.
I hope it falls apart before she dies so she can reap what she’s sown.
Me too, me too, me too.
I really think the commonwealth countries will start officially leaving after the Queen dies.
Why wouldn’t they? The monarchy is an absurd concept in 2020, and the treatment of Meghan could certainly be seen as analogous for the patriarchal mentality toward Commonwealth nations. Finding myself so anti-monarchy right now is a weird feeling. I can’t respect anything about them at this point, and yet I’ve loved them for a lifetime as characters in a fictional drama.
Canada is too beautiful a country, our sandwiches are too great. We have them now. XO
Don’t bother leaving anything ajar. Don’t bother.
<3!
Save me half a sammy?
Just hope I’m alive when karma visits them.
Tbh, I hope it falls apart before she dies. She should see the consequences of her actions or inactions.
Supposedly, this has just happened: Jessica Mulroney registered the website sussexglobalcharities.com last Wednesday, according to the Daily Mail and now being picked up by other sources so possibly the Sussexes are going with a variation of SussexGlobal. 😎
SussexGlobalCharities
The BRF, courtiers and the RRs will be bleating about the use of the word “Sussex” next, mark my words. They’ll be cryin’ for the Ducal titles to be revoked.
And H&M, if faced with that, will probably not care a whit. Because they know every step these abusers take to punish H&M just cements the stones in their chosen path. The minute Harry says “yeah whatever take the lot, it’s not punishment to us, but if it makes you happy here ya go”, media will do their nut.
That family is a bunch of vipers. If they think taking the word “Royal” away from them will stop charity work they have another thing coming. The work they’ve done to date proves one thing and one thing only-they work hard for their charities and they’re great at it and it won’t stop because you take a word away from them. Vipers…..the implosion begins…..
But I dont get it. They dont want to live im Britian or be royals anymore so none of this should bother them. When u r gone u r gone. Like leaving a company. They didnt want the job. I dont think they even want this stuff except for Harry’s dad’s money. I would be emberaased to be taking money from my parents at that age. But then some people think their parents owe them. I wonder when his dad will have enough and tell him to make it on his own.
There’s so much tumblr and twitter script nonsense in your comment, that I don’t even know where to start. So I won’t. You don’t get it because you choose not to. It’s just not that complicated.
While there’s a whole lot of misinformation in your response that I don’t have time to unpack, here’s the deal, they have their own money and the money that they’re getting is for security. They’re not “living off their parents”.
To Thinking. Are you a: T R O L L
You clearly don’t get it and are certainly not ‘thinking’. Back to Tumblr you go
But presumably, when you were Harry’s age, you had already been working and making your own money for 15-20 years, so you wouldn’t need to take your parents’ money. Harry has always worked for and been supported by his family and has always been told he would always work for and be supported by his family. He couldn’t make his own money, being a full time senior working royal was his job, and as we keep hearing, senior royals aren’t allowed to make their own private money because it would be trading off their HRH, and a conflict of interest. His job was to be a senior full time working royal, and his payment for that job was having all his bills and expenses paid for by the firm.
Now, he’s stepping out for the first time to make his own money. With the amount of expenses he has, plus the fact that he already has a family of three to support, I don’t think it’s crazy that it’s going to take him a minute to become financially independent and start making his own private money by working. He’s just now, at his age, “leaving the nest” for the first time to be independent—a thing many of us did at the age of 18 or 22 or 25–and we didn’t have the expenses that a 35 year old husband and father has. But even then, only supporting ourselves and having relatively low expenses (a crappy car, a shitty apartment, ramen noodles), I think lots of people still got a bit of help from their parents for the first year or two after college or moving out. None of us were 100% financially independent the second we graduated college or high school. And it’s not like Harry would’ve been allowed to live at home for a year or two, working a job outside of the firm and saving up his money, like a lot of us did. He wasn’t allowed to make his own money unless he was out of the firm. Thus, they are “working towards financial independence.”
Let’s face it, Bea was hardly hired, stepping in on a VP LEVEL no less, for HER business acumen. She and her sister BOTH use HRH, were hired FOR their connections, and still do the occasionally things for/with TQ of The House of Petty.
Bullshit is bullshit, no matter where you shovel it.
To Thinking … change your name to “Not Thinking”.
This is an utterly imbecilic comment. Go back to your comic books and crayons.
@pineapple, thank you.
Harry has his own money, that he inherited from both sides of his family. Like most aristocrats and Royals, you inherit your wealth, not earn it. A huge chunk of that money is probably working for him, not the other way around. However, now he will earn additional money, with the potential for it to be big money, not tied to anyone else. Meghan also has her own money. It’s small compared to the Royals, but quite substantial by most standards being in few millions. She also gets paid residuals from her acting work. Who knows what the exact details are of how they worked out the financials with Prince Charles, but a lot of it probably involves appeasing William. The line from tv show Versailles “ you think its hard to be a king, try being the brother of a king for a day” sums it up.
Oh, you would be emberaased? ok
@Thinking is an obvious Tumblr troll, don’t even bother replying to it
Bwahahahahaha 😂😂😂😂@ Thinking (another new name) you made me ROTFALMBO. And how exactly did prince Charles come into all this wealth, wasn’t it all wealth stolen from poor colonies by his grandfathers? Where exactly did Charles or the queen or William, the whole lot of leeches work and earn all this money? I’ll wait for your response.
This strategy on the part of the royal family members underlines the fact that they do not really know Prince Harry. He always wanted to start his own family and never he will leaved them for a title or other financial avantage especially since he seems to be very happy with Meghan and Archie. He was not pedo Andrew.
It would have been easier for him if he WERE PaedoAndy. Dump your wife and inexcusably mixed-race child and come back to the fold, or you’ll be punished further. Rape, groom and traumatise innocents and get a birthday party
That sums it up doesn’t it. I used to be a fun royal watcher occasionally, but not that overly interested. Now with the exception of the “North American” branch…I loathe all of them. I hope they fail, I hope their vile racist petty family business implodes and they are left as unimportant as they wanted to force H&M to be.
Not only, is Harry not going to want to leave his wife and child, but does anyone really think that after more than a year of not having to deal with the royal rota, living in a place where the other residents actively fight off the paps for them, and being able to run his own PR and talk to (and exclude) any press he wants, that Harry is going to want to return to the RF where he will be forced to deal with the rota, and only the rota again? Seriously?
He’s not the type of guy to trade in the wife and baby that he CHOSE, for a racist, nasty, bus throwing brother, father, and extended family that he actively dislikes and has to fight on a daily basis. And he’s not the type of guy to trade in 100% PR independence and freedom from the royal reporters and paparazzi, for the royal rota that he blames for murdering his mother, that he’s had a life-long hatred for, and that he’s literally suing.
Just FYI Harry lost his case. Meghan’s is still in process. This is my understanding of where everything stands now, currently
@Shirley – Harry lost one of the more minor lawsuits/complaints he had filed. He’s still part of the bigger one about phone hacking I think.
@Shirlygailgirl, no he didn’t. The complaint in question was about a picture of a tranquilized elephant that he posted on IG which the tabloids twisted to claim that he was deceitful etc. THAT is the case he lost. Google it if you don’t believe me.
The IPSO complaint is different from the lawsuit he brought. Part of the issue is that IPSO is a shady administrative board that makes decision based on unknown standards. A judge will view things differently than a politically appointed board of bureaucrats linked to the media industry.
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I don’t think the expect Harry to leave his family to return to England and step back in as a senior royal. They do know him too well for that. I think that they are hoping that Harry and Meghan decide as a unit after experiencing their new lifestyle choice that they may actually want to become full time working royals again, although not likely based in England.
Per Tom Bradby interview after Sussex announcement …. Harry and Meghan are aware that they could possibly lose all titles and privileges and they are prepared for that and do not care.
Yeah, I’m sure H&M thought about worse-case scenarios while making their decision. Being a “royal” – even just for branding – isn’t worth the trouble.
Both Harry and Meghan are smart, savvy people. They are planners and are very strategic. I agree that they have gamed out every possibility, from best to worst case scenario. They have proved themselves to be a step ahead of BP, CH, and KP in most everything, with the exception of having to pull the trigger early on the announcement, which was due to William getting his stooge to leak the story. I have every confidence in them, in their ability to launch a meaningful foundation, and in their ability to live their best lives for themselves and for Archie. It won’t be easy, but then, these two have never shirked hard work, and they know that anything worth having isn’t just handed to you. I look forward to seeing what they do, knowing it will benefit a lot of people worldwide.
@babs, it really depends on one’s perspective . To some, especially the naysayers, they got nothing of what they wanted, while to supporters, they get a fresh start and freedom to do as they choose. This is definitely a transition for them, and some things will be great and other things will be setbacks. I do think that Harry and Meghan see more clearly who they are dealing with, while those who hate them only see a threat.
My inner petty self kinda hopes that Meghan and Harry can have a 2nd kid during the next year in Canada just to cement this royal exit.
Same. Except I’m hoping she’s pregnant now and is far enough along that we can all see when they do their events over the next few weeks. Heads and headlines will EXPLODE! I want ALL the other royals to be invisible when the Sussexes come to town.
The BRF and RRs are so stupid with the “Harry, come return to your family” bull$hit. Harry’s family is now Meghan and Archie and he IS with his family. It’s pathetic that they just don’t get this. He looks happier than he’s ever been and isn’t going anywhere! I hope the rest of those vile a$$holes go down in flames with their surveys no one cares about and backstabbing leaks about each other. Harry and Meghan are so well out of it!
I hope there’ll be another thread about the Bon Jovi Invictus song so we can laugh about how it got millions of views in less than a day and Kate’s pathetic survey only got 200k. Keep your titles, royals, I just want their insignificance to become more and more apparent.
I hope she shows up to bea’s wedding obviously pregnant just to watch andrew’s head explode.
Guestwho, and since she was already vilified for supposedly telling the family at Eugenie wedding, when we know that she did not, I hope she shows up visibly pregnant, wearing a dress that says “ROYAL baby on board” in big neon letters, and makes her announcement to the family and the press right before the wedding. She’s already “in trouble” for doing it once (even though she didn’t), so might as well get some satisfaction out of it. Obviously, I know she won’t, but it would be so deliciously petty.
@Amy Too – the only thing she’d really need to do is wear the same dress as she wore to the other one’s wedding and rub her baby bump once in front of photographers. Game on. Hell, she should do that even if she’s not pregnant.
The ridiculousness about Beatrice’s wedding is already in full swing. And the attacks are against Meghan, not Harry.
https://mydaughtersarmy.org/tales-of-two-headlines-press-clickbaiting-of-meghan-proves-they-were-right-to-leave/
She will be at Invictus a couple weeks before Bea’s wedding. If she is visibly pregnant, we’ll see then.
Oh Amy Too — the ‘Royal Baby on Board’ scenario just plays in my head. 😂. One step further would be: SussexRoyal Baby on Board. 🤯
The major Megan smear really started right after The last wedding, in Nov 2018 – Dec 2018 we had every story leaked within that month, I looked at all the posts on here tagged Megan Markle and it’s really clear that’s when it all started to snowball downhill for her. You had made Kate cry, tiargate, staff issues, brothers fighting all of it popped in that month.
As far as “royal” I have seen that term is restricted by law in U.K. if the web design was done right, this would be and easy fix because “brand” would be a class and ideally you can reset it again and again to your hearts delight. As for the paperwork filings I don’t know how that works. So maybe the queen isn’t being subjective over royal…I think it’s law and being pushed on her to enforce it. Because at 93, You tend to let most stuff roll off you. She should retire.
HA! Guest, that was my very first thought, too!!! I want her to show up with a nice rounded belly, which she holds through the entire time!! Come in wearing a cape, and dramatically throw it off, exposing a lovely new child, that she will cradle throughout the ceremony and reception. And yes, I AM this petty lol
WITH TWINS!!!
@Royalwatcher, I answered a post on Twitter a few days ago, wondering just how long it will take before the RRs and the BRF finally get it through their heads that these two are not going to be used any longer? And that they are a team and will remain that way? The Establishment simply cannot conceive that anyone wouldn’t want to be part of that life, and they firmly believe that Harry will abandon his family and come home, because why wouldn’t he? I would give anything to be the proverbial fly on the wall when the realization begins to sink in that they really aren’t coming back, and heads begin to explode!
Becky E is already tweeting that she’ll keep ‘reporting’ on them because they remain members of the Queen’s family. The RRs aren’t going to back off.
I hope they have another child. Meghan does not go around expounding theories about early childhood like her sister in law does. Kate majored in art history and is posing as an expert.
But she’s taken all of those “secret” meetings! How can she not be an expert?/s
If they’re ready and actively want another child then yes, hope they have that joy. But Meghan’s not petty, she has class and sensitivity; she didn’t sabotage Eugenie’s wedding and she wouldn’t actively try to sabotage Bea’s either. The claims that she ‘stole the show’ were tabloid fiction, nothing more
She read scientific journals. We don’t know which ones but she totally read them.
She didn’t sabotage Bea’s wedding but she got blamed for it anyway. What’s that expression, ‘might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.’ Meaning she was blamed for it, so she might as well do it.
I hope for her sake that she’s NOT pregnant while all this is going on. She has enough stress and anguish to deal with because of this family – adding a pregnancy to the mix will only make it harder for her.
Yeah, agreed. I also don’t think it’s fair to want her to show up at someone’s wedding rubbing a pregnant belly. From everything I’ve seen from Meghan that’s just not who she is. She’s not going to suddenly fulfill the petty dreams people have for her, because she’s better than that. While everyone would love to see these family members get some sort of comeuppance, I don’t think Meghan is going to cause that in any way other than just living her best life and being accomplished.
Agree. Meghan will go high, while they go low. Still — it doesn’t hurt to imagine their nasty faces in that imagined scenario.
The press is banking on a divorce because reporting that means a boatload of money. And Meghan hasn’t drop the lawsuit – another motivator for this new round of nasty press. The ratchet Markles are still not working. The BRF is stupid if it thinks Harry casting off Meghan is a good look for Harry or the The Firm. Meghan would have to cheat on him for Harry to have just cause. It would be another scandal hitting the House of Windsor – another the queen doesn’t want.
This Harry only narrative is coming from the press who are desperate for them to divorce as they think in some twisted way it will make their treatment of her ok.
I struggle to believe TQ and Chuck are sanctioning this narrative – William, oh yes as its obvious he does not like Meghan and wants her gone. William wants Harry back in the fold doing so that he can control Harry to protect himself.
Digital, that’s an interesting way to think about it: William is actively trying to get them to divorce just so that he can be “right” about Meghan not being the right wife for Harry. Rather than just accept that he was wrong, apologize for his reservations, and accept Meghan as Harry’s wife, William needs to make himself right by running Meghan off so he can say “see? She wasn’t royal material. I knew she couldn’t hack it.” And same with the press. If they can get them to break up, then they can justify all the horrible reporting by saying “see? She was bad news and we knew it all along. We were just trying to get through to Harry, and unfortunately, he was being so stubborn and thick headed and was so manipulated by wily Meghan, that we had to really throw our reporting into overdrive to expose her to him.”
From where the family stands, they are phrasing it as only Harry coming back simply because Meghan isn’t a blood relation. Meghan couldn’t become a working Royal again without Harry coming back too. So, the emphasis is on him coming back because he is the one with the choice. If he chose to come back then it would be up to Meghan to choose to be Royal or be like Princess Anne’s husband and stay private. Obviously, Harry and Meghan make their choices together, and he wouldn’t just decide something without her. My point is that she doesn’t have the option without him.
I do not believe William wants to control Harry for any reason. I think that he genuinely loves his brother. I think Harry loves him too although, yes, they have had a major rift. Is it because William doesn’t like Meghan or is it because Harry doesn’t feel like they were as welcoming as he felt that they should be? I really do not know.
I think the press, as usual, jumped all over the fun of pitting one woman against another. Many posters here love to do that too. I find it unnecessary. Women do not have to be alike, enjoy or excel at the same things, or want to be besties in order to do good work both individually and together.
I hope the brothers are able to mend their relationship particularly if it was over something as mundane as one brother advising the other not to wed in a hurry. That conversation takes place from one loved one to another all the time and it doesn’t necessarily speak to how the new fiancee is viewed at all. It just means that your loved one wants what is best for you and advising caution is the simplest way to express that.
I think the right wing media are desperate for them to divorce. The right wing media and government are on a power trip at the moment and seem to be on a mission to reverse the last 100 years of progression. A high profile interracial marriage doesn’t fit their agenda, so by creating the illusion that the marriage was a disaster from the start, it will hopefully put others off stepping out on their own race (which is one of the things these racists hate the most). Also Harry gets to look like an idiot for marry Meghan when everyone ‘warned him not to’, and William gets to look like a hero because he married a dull boring doormat. Also if harry and Meghan do divorce he will be so traumatised by this experience he might just have to settle for someone even more basic than Kate just to live a peaceful life. I’m guessing that’s what all the haters are hoping for the most.
@DarlingDiana. You seem like a lovely person who wants to see the best in people. And I would imagine that like me, you admired Diana and had a good opinion of her sons for all these years. Unfortunately I gotta tell you, I think you missed a lot of analysis of gossip the past few months. It’s actually not hard to see once you know where and how to look, that William is shady. Really shady.
He probably could have been a really great guy but he missed key opportunities for growth and development, being groomed to be future king, that Harry had a little more leeway to get.
The evidence for much of the negative speculation of him on this site is most abundant in how he and his wife set up the paparazzi to report he and his family were taking a budget commercial flight. The timing was suspect because Harry and Meghan were being roasted alive in the press for taking private jet flights, at least one of which was bought for them by Elton John. Also it was revealed that the flight was a total setup and actually some jet fuel was totally wasted to get the jet in place for their use.
There is so much more to unpack to explain why you’re seeing the hostility towards William and Catherine. I can’t go through it all here. If you want to keep an open mind toward them, that’s fine. But I have seen there’s definitely been a pattern of William and Kate themselves feeding the ugly press monster and in painfully obvious ways, too. And sadly they have open and obvious connections to the worst press reports against the Sussexes. And there was one royal reporter who flat out said the negative stories were coming directly from within the Royal family.
It wasn’t just a simple matter of William failing to roll out the welcome wagon for Meghan. Can’t you see Meghan and particularly Harry straining to NOT say so much? Harry has said he can’t say much.
Something a little interesting/odd. Took a look at the official royal.uk website – “the official website of the British Royal Family”. My understanding is Harry is still a Counsellor of State. Thought I recalled reading somewhere there was a stipulation about residency (six months?) and wanted to see if I remembered correctly.
This is (exactly) what the site currently says about who the counsellors are.
“The current Counsellors of State are These are currently The Prince of Wales, The Duke of Cambridge, Prince Harry and The Duke of York.”
Prince Harry – not the Duke of Sussex? Don’t know if the sentence error at the beginning indicates the item was recently changed in a hurry, or if it’s always been there and no one noticed. Not sure why it would have been changed, the counsellors are the same as they’ve been for quite a while.
Strange.
Good point Aquarius64. Also, the Rabid press (and I think William) must be feeling particularly confident as to their ability to push this as they have successfully pushed the Sussexes into the position they are now in. That’s why I think this is not the Queen/Charles — I think this is William and the RR pushing hard at Harry to encourage a divorce.
I disagree. Harry has made it abundantly clear that he will only do the things that he wants to and demanding more of him is futile. I think too that the Sussexs were not forced into any position.
As Meghan said the reality of royal life made her unhappy and unmoored. I think she, like most humans, missed her home, her friends, her lifestyle, and her voice. Harry, I think, just wants to see her happy. To that end, a partial exit from royal life was announced. That is, of course, untenable so in keeping with what is in the best interests of their family, the couple decided to continue down this new path.
No one is trying to be petty as that would be wrong and mar the Queen’s reputation. I think that if after a year the Sussex do not want to return then everyone will feel, at least, like they were given time to sort through all of their feelings and dip their toes into non-royal life. It seems to me very much what a loving Grandmother would do for one of her grandchildren. Go spread your wings and fly in your own but if after a year of you want to we are holding your position within the family business open.
A loving grandmother would have told the whole world (cause she has that reach) how disgustingly inappropriate that chimp picture was. Either of my grandma’s would have taken names and heads over a stunt like that.
@darlingdiana surely you jest. Nice try with your selective revisionist version of the events. Yet I notice never once did you mention the word Rota.
‘Harry has made it abundantly clear that he will only do the things that he wants to’. WRONG. Harry has said he wants to continue working to serve her majesty just as he has been doing his whole life.
‘I think too that the Sussexs were not forced into any position.“ WRONG. They were bullied out of there. This is Harry manning up and protecting his family from abuse.
‘As Meghan said the reality of royal life made her unhappy and unmoored. I think she, like most humans, missed her home, her friends, her lifestyle, and her voice‘. WRONG. She maintained her friendships and let her voice be heard loud and clear. You completely missed the point that it was the Rota they wanted to be rid of.
‘…a partial exit from royal life was announced. That is, of course, untenable’ WRONG. They wished to continue royal life in full without using public funds. The only way to do so would be earning their own income. There is precedent set by other members of the family.
‘No one is trying to be petty as that would be wrong and mar the Queen’s reputation.’ WRONG her reputation already stinks and is marred big time by her approach of turning a blind eye.
‘ I think that if after a year the Sussex do not want to return then everyone will feel, at least, like they were given time to sort through all of their feelings and dip their toes into non-royal life’. WRONG. The implication seems to be the Sussexes alone have feelings to work through. The family has got to face up to their role in this fiasco. They are not blameless.
‘It seems to me very much what a loving Grandmother would do for one of her grandchildren. Go spread your wings and fly in your own but if after a year of you want to we are holding your position within the family business open.’ WRONG. That passive aggressive behavior is not appropriate for mature adults. What? No wishes of success or show of support? What the eff kind of granny is that? 🤷🏽♀️
Are they playing from Trump’s playbook?
Re ‘Parasite’, Trump came out with the immortal line: “I’m looking for, like – can we get like Gone With The Wind back, please?”
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮. It goes without saying that he would pick a movie that had active slavery on it.
I know, right? If ANYTHING could have crystallised exactly how Trump and the MAGATs think, it’s that (incoherent) line
Does Harry’s family truly believe that he is the type of man that will walk away from his son? I think in his place that is what would offend me most about these leaks and stories that my own family would hope and believe I was the kind of person to abandon a child that I wanted and clearly adore.
@Zapp, I keep coming back to Harry’s statement in the Branby interview: if you knew what I know. There are so many skeletons, and so much bad behavior, that I think he’s done. He won’t be going back. He’s fed up, and he’s not going to give the family or the media one more shot at Meghan and Archie. I think if we did know what he knows, we’d be wondering why they didn’t leave sooner. I would bet there is a very dark underbelly to that family. I used to be big fans of the royal family, but that’s changed.
So now racist sources are talking to Fox News. What a surprise!
All dots connect to Rupert Murdoch who is pissed about their lawsuit.
There is a strong truth in what you say MJM. Murdoch controls multiple media outlets in Britain and the USA. This could be extreme tactics to destroy Meghan and Harry as punishment for their ongoing lawsuits.
100%
**SHOCKED**
THIS! About half of this hate campaign against the Sussex couple is due to that vile cryptkeeper, Rupert Murdoch. He holds the Royal’s secrets like leverage, and Harry was the only one to take a stand to it. He’s probably hated both by the Murdochs and his own family for having a backbone.
Birds of a feather….
I was surprised by the Queen’s decision. However, I have no doubt that they’ll still be financial successful without it. They might not make £££££, but they’ll still be making ££££…so I don’t think they’ll sweat it in the long run.
In the short term, however, I can see Harry being especially cut at how his family is behaving. He’s not naive to what they’re capable of, but it’s different now that he’s “on the outside”.
The more the royals try to curtail them, the MORE money they will make. The world loves an underdog, and the framing for this story is a piece of cake: Racist RF kicks out the only member of color, racist RF and jealous RF kicks out the only productive and dynamic members of the family, Royal Prince abandons racist family for love. The world loves a love story, and a love story with obstacles to overcome is the best kind. The courtiers are such idiots that they are literally creating the narrative that will make the Sussexes billions and make the Cambridges look small and petty. The Sussex story could be a love story for the ages. Diana became an even bigger star once she left the royal family. She dressed the way she liked, she repped the causes she wanted to (she would have never been able to campaign against landmines as a member of the RF, and that’s one of the causes she’s most known for). The wailing outpouring of grief for Diana was because people came to love her MORE once she escaped from the confines of the RF. Had she remained married to Charles and died young, I have no doubt that the grief would have been more sedate.
Americans LOVE the “us against the system” story. So many of our films follow this trope, and now the Sussexes are fitting into the same pattern. It’s a gold mine waiting to happen. Look at how rabid the press is for any crumb of information about the Sussexes. H and M are NOT going silently into that good night. Nope. And if they die in an “accident,” (which William might be dumb enough to hope for–and he wouldn’t be the first royal to want that) it’s curtains for the RF. Utter disgrace.
I’m not sure you can call two extraordinarily rich people, one of whom is a prince of a country, exactly underdogs…
Yep. They are underdogs within the context of the power of the royal family, which is the context of this discussion.
@James, Trump is a billionaire yet he called himself an underdog. A whole lot of people bought that too. It’s all in the spin. IMO though, I think their story is closer to Cinderella. Ask Disney how much people love that story, lol.
If this scenario is true, then his parting speech makes even more sense. He is truly saying goodbye to his family.
Sentebale Fund Raiser , London, 1/19/20 speech by Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex
….”Before I begin, I must say that I can only imagine what you may have heard or perhaps read over the past few weeks. So I want you to hear the truth from me, as much as I can share, not as a duke or prince but as Harry, the same person that many of you have perhaps watched grow up over the last 35 years but now with a clearer perspective…”
“The U.K. is my home and a place that I love. That will never change. I’ve grown up feeling supported by so many of you and I’ve watched as you welcomed Meghan with open arms as you saw me find the love and happiness that I’d hoped for all my life…Finally, the second son of Diana got hitched. Hooray.”
“I also know that you’ve come to know me well enough over all these years to trust that the woman I chose as my wife upholds the same values as I do. And she does. And she’s the same woman I fell in love with. We both do everything we can to fly the flag and carry out our roles for this country with pride…”
“Once Meghan and I were married, we were excited. We were hopeful and we were here to serve. For those reasons, it brings me great sadness that it has come to this. The decision I have made for my wife and I to step back is not one I made lightly…It was so many months of talks after so many years of challenges and I know I haven’t always gotten it right but as far as this goes there really was no other option. What I want to make clear is, we’re not walking away.”
“I hope that helps you understand what it had to come to, that I would step my family back from all I have ever known, to stake a step forward into what I hope can be a more peaceful life. I will always have the utmost respect for my grandmother, my commander in chief, and I am incredibly grateful to her and the rest of my family for the support they have shown Meghan and I over the last few months…I will continue to be the same man who holds his country dear and dedicates his life to supporting the causes, charities and military communities that are so important to me.’
Sorry, I meant to put in the unedited, full version of his speech.
I think one of the key lines of his speech is right at the beginning:
“. . .as you saw me find the love and happiness that I’d hoped for all my life”
This is why Harry will never dump Meghan as if she’s some “fling.” With Meghan he finally found a “home” and “true love.” Harry is going to hold on to that as tightly as he can, and he’s gonna fight for it–which he has. He told a whole country to F**k right the hell off and if they didn’t like it, too bad.
I think that both Harry and Meghan having dysfunctional family members out to get them, that they are each others ‘safe haven.’ Not to be overdramatic about it, but when you find that someone who you know is your “ride or die” partner, taking on the world (Literally) seems a lot “easier.” I put that in quotes because obviously, what they deal with is BS on an extraordinary level, but to know that at the end of the day they can see each other and be with lil’ Archie makes it bearable.
The BRF has severely underestimated Prince Henry Charles Albert David. Harry’s affable nature to go along to get along in the past, doesn’t mean he’s a pushover or weak. He’s said it himself (paraphrase), “People think they know but they don’t.” That also includes his family, and especially his brother. Harry has already shown some of his grit and determination to leave his home and his country (another thing he has in common with Meghan) for his happiness, and for the love he’s “been waiting for his whole life.” He will continue to be that stand up man, and he’s strength and determination will carry him through, and he, more than Charles and definitely more than William will leave a lasting mark on history–just as his mother did.
It really is an extraordinary speech. He’s already shut that door and moving on.
@What…Now, hear, hear!!! You’re exactly right. The have totally underestimated their “spare,” and while they are still attempting to treat him as such, and cram him back in the box where they had placed him, he grew into himself and has basically said, to hell with all y’all, I’m outta here with my wife and my son. See ya.
Can’t even tell how disgusted i am by this « family » . They donne think about Archie and Meghan as Harry and Meghan’s family they want them to break up.
I fell bad for Meghan. The level of disorder and the subtle insults are out of control.
She deserves better than that.
Their marriage is an indication that the royal family aren’t classy peoples.
But a bunch of entitled racist and disrespectful lazy parasites
What I can believe about the word “Royal” is that they were initially told they could use it, and now there is some serious backtracking and that’s annoying/upsetting. I think if they were told at the get-go they couldn’t use Sussex Royal, they would have been okay with that.
Anyway, the whole “door being left open” thing is interesting to me because I think it is being spun exactly as DW says – Harry is going to realize he made a mistake and is going to run back into his family’s “loving” arms, sans Meghan and Archie. That’s not going to happen; everything else aside, Harry isn’t walking away from Archie.
But, I say its interesting bc of Peter Hunt’s tweet, which is what I’ve been saying for a while now. There seems to be this sense that next spring things will be different, and I don’t think they just mean that Harry will change his mind. His tweet doesn’t seem to be saying that Harry will change his mind, it says that the royal family will change their mind and give H&M what they originally wanted. So maybe after a year of will and kate and sad struggle surveys etc, the royal family may be more willing to negotiate.
I hope the BRF is more willing to negotiate or cave completely in a year and the Sussexes still tell them to go f-ck themselves!! I can’t see how or why they’d EVER want to come back after how that family has treated Meghan. And the abuse of Meghan around Bea’s wedding has already started. I hope the Sussexes never return (to the royal fold).
If QEII and Charles III want to see the Commonwealth of Nations remain intact for handover to William V the BRF must understand that Meghan and Archie are the most precious assets to obtaining this goal.
It always throws me off seeing QEII in terms of the literal queen, haha. QEII is a hospital in our provincial capital and they run a charity lottery for it as well lol. So I’ll see that and jump to sickness or home lottery before thinking of it in terms of the namesake.
I do hope that they come to that realization. I really think playing the long game is wise, and I think M&H are doing a pretty great job of that so far. I certainly wouldn’t blame them for saying ‘hahah, screw you guys’ even if the BRF was going to cave and give them what they wanted, but I’m not positive that they’d do that. I think that as long as they had boundaries in place they would consider becoming more involved again, though that depends a lot on who is doing the ruling at the time.
@Baytampa…they appear to be tone deaf to this reality or maybe they know and are grasping at straws trying to keep a dying institution afloat. The “Tampon King”, followed by the “Rose Bush trimming king, with the “king of paedo” thrown in. Yeah, that sounds like an institution on firm grounds once Lizzie moves on.
Erinn, we have a city called Prince George in the north of BC. The last time I was there it was all pulp mills and it really stunk.
He’s only the Prince of Paedo.
The part I find most fascinating Becks1 is the new storyline that Harry’s honorary military appointments will be left vacant for a year. If this is true, that is also an extreme reversal of the original decision. Harry stated publically how deeply saddened — and surprised — he was to be stripped of those roles. Now the Firm has done a semi-aboutface. Makes me wonder what is really going on in the ongoing negotiations between Harry and the Firm and I’m sure a group of lawyers.
The Queen and Charles knew about the Sussexes plans in general, but gave them the run around when it came to the details. So, I don’t think they were told they could use it. I don’t think they were told anything until after they were forced to make their plans public. They had been building that brand since their wedding. I think they were being honest in what they wanted to do on their website. They were very clear in still wanting to represent the Queen sometimes and such. So, keeping Sussex Royal made perfect sense when they thought they would be able to continue being working Royals. The reason it took so long to decide about the word Royal likely had to do with the Queen wanting to see where parliament would stand on the issue without it ending up a public debate. The Queen didn’t just wait and decide to be petty about a word weeks after the fact for no good reason. I actually think the Royals, at least Charles, may have even been on their side. Otherwise, it would have been decided much sooner.
Just curious – do the lawsuits play into this as well? Aren’t they being heard this year? Maybe H&M and the RF are also waiting to see how that plays out, as part of the one-year re-evaluation idea.
@Becks1, have also been thinking along the lines of your last paragraph above. Leaving was what H&M needed NOW, especially after William leaked their plans, and the stonewalling by courtiers etc. They’re out from under the Rota, have space and privacy, and can get on with their future foundation plans. But from what’s been said, this abrupt break wasn’t what H&M originally had in mind, there were ongoing discussions over months. The RF’s hand was forced through their own dumb fault. Whether it’s ultimately the ideal situation for both parties remains to be seen. Personally, I’d be out of there permanently, but maybe Harry, especially, hasn’t totally come to that conclusion yet. And the fact that the RF is walking back things like the military appointments makes me wonder if there’s a sign from Harry that the door isn’t completely closed.
Also, Will and the RRs may be rooting for the Sussexes to fail, but Charles of all people should know that kicking popular and charismatic people out of the family doesn’t always have the outcome one expects.
It also looks like a warning. The royal family is going to bully Meghan as much as possible through the press and everything in their possession to force her to leave her husbdand with her son.
Then they don’t know her at all. Charles’ nickname for her is Tungsten, so they already know, or should know, how strong and determined and steadfast she is. They just don’t believe it, but they are about to find out.
Has no one learned the lesson by now that if you back Harry and Meghan into a corner they will fight, rather than submit. The tabloids did their usual blackmail thing where they go negative so hard that the person comes running to those very same tabloids begging for positive coverage. Instead Harry and Meghan fought back. The Palace kept trying to diminish them. They fought back, rather than submit under pressure.
It’s the Thomas Markle playbook, except more insidious – they’re trying to abuse / hurt H&M into giving up and acquiescing to royal demands. It’s…..an interesting choice.
I think he got the US part wrong, in the US PH will forever be Royal. His mothers title change didn’t matter at all in the US.
Yeah I guess this is what I don’t get. “Royal” is a statement of fact, it’s not status granted by a monarch (like the ability to hand out HRH’s). The Queen can ‘ban’ them from using it but it’s not enforceable. What, is she going to start denying royals in Spain or Denmark or Bhutan from using “royal”?
And if the argument is that this will dilute the Queen’s brand (for what it is worth, and on the decline), couldn’t they just require some sort of disaffiliation notice from the Sussex’s to state the independence of their foundation from the queen, and a guarantee that they would only use “royal” in a non-profit setting?
The trademarking of Sussex Royal is a legal matter. It’s being done to protect their brand. According to an article on the World Trademark Review’s website there have been 13 challenges to the use of the name Sussex Royal since Harry and Meghan decided to no longer be senior royals. According to the article all 13 challenges are likely to fail. If the Queen has any objections to the use of the name Sussex Royal, then her lawyers need to file legal documents or she needs to shut up. Just stating that she doesn’t want them to use the name doesn’t hold up legally. The Queen knew they were using Sussex Royal back in June 2019 when it was publicly announced that they were trademarking Sussex Royal so what changed in the last few weeks? Perhaps the royal family was rattled by the JP Morgan speech or Harry’s future dealings with Goldman Sachs. If Harry and Meghan decide not to trademark Sussex Royal, because at this point legally the ball is in their court, then that leaves the door open for a third-party to trademark the name. A third-party applicant may not care about upholding the royal brand and may decide to put Sussex Royal on tee shirts, beer mugs, or condom packages.
In June of 2019, the Queen knew that they were going by Sussex Royal as working Royals. She knew they were unhappy, but also told them to work it out with Charles. Charles gave them the run around, I assume because he never thought they would just announce they were leaving publicly before hashing out the details. So, by his math, if he never finds the time to really discuss it then they never leave. It was announced after all the talks after H&M left that being able to use the Royal in Sussex Royal was still being debated. Sussexit happened really close to Brexit. They couldn’t exactly see where parliament would stand on something so minor during something so major. That’s why it’s taken a few weeks. Parliament made the rules around cashing in as a Royal not the Queen.
Honestly feels like they don’t know Harry at all. I mean I can’t say I do either but do they really think he’d up and leave his wife and child? The wife and child he fought to get out of the country and out of the position that was causing them all so much stress? After all the gaslighting do they really he think he’ll come running back one day?
👏🏽 Yes, this! No way is he leaving Meghan and Archie…you know, his FAMILY!
It’s interesting that some of these royal experts were on twitter asking for respect when the news about the Peter& Autumn broke but the same experts are relishing idea of Harry& Meghan splitting.
I’m curious about the parameters (if any) around this one year review& if there’s anything similar for Andrew’s inevitable return to royal duties. Also curious who was the senior royal quoted in the Times about Meghan being a degree wife. Seems it could be a shared view.
And yeah I very much doubt Fox has sources in the Sussexes camp or royal sources generally. Their info is probably rehashed from likes of Wooten, as they are all part of the Murdoch empire.
The double standards continue to piss me off. Empathy, privacy, hellotokindness, royal perks, etc. are for every other member of the family except the black Duchess and her son. I hope karma comes for them all. HARD.
I’m almost certain that senior royal was Andrew. Seems like his brand of nasty.
If Andy said it karma came back on him with a vengeance in the form of Jeffrey Epstein.
While I dont think they were prepared for this – I do think that they were prepared for a lot. I really do think that even during wedding planning they were going “naaaaah” about the situation with the Firm.
That having been said, I think they will pick themselves up from losing royal branding just fine.
I do believe that the “year” is more about the Queen than H&M. I think the year portion is more about in a year the queen may possibly step down. I think Charles is trying to convince her to step down because he doesnt want to this distance between him and H&M to remain. But that’s just my tinfoil tiara moment.
Because at the same time he could have at any time come to the defense of them to the media, and didnt. Oddly enough the only joint statement we got was that weird one from Will and Harry about them using the word “Bully” (which was useless and completely beside the point.)
@Cidy – I completely agree with your tinfoil tiara moment. If Charles III was sitting on the throne all of this would have been handled very differently. The result may have been the same but the process would have been more positive for all involved.
I believe Future-Future King Billy Keen has QEII’s good ear and Chucky has the other ear which is missing a hearing aid.
@bay you are on fire today. Too funny.
@cidy – I’ll share your tinfoil tiara. I know I keep bringing this up, but remember there was that weird story a few months ago about how the queen was going to abdicate/step back officially/name Charles regent (SOMETHING) around the time of her 95th birthday? That would be next spring. And Peter Hunt basically says that (he has her age wrong, she’ll be 95 next year, she turns 94 this april) – that this situation will look very different when she is 95. The combination of the “re-evaluate next spring” with Hunt’s tweet with that random story about the queen re-evaluating or whatever at 95 – it is all interesting in my mind, but you all know I love a good tinfoil tiara.
I do think Charles could have and should have come to their defense earlier and didn’t. I know people blame him for the smear campaign, but I don’t think so beyond a few little tidbits here and there. So I cant figure out why he DIDNT do something – public engagement with Harry (I know they did a few, but I don’t think any after the birth of Archie). Heck even putting his hand on Meghan’s shoulder for a minute at the Trooping would have gone a long way.
It makes me think there is a lot more going on behind the scenes and the inner workings of that family are very ugly .
I think Charles still wants harry and Meghan to represent them that’s why I agree for one year term. Because Camilla is old, Cambridge are lazy and they wont do much work. That’s why Charles wants Sussex tow work for them but I don’t think Sussex will return though.
Becks – I remember that same article! That’s what makes me think this. Honestly.. I’m starting to wonder if TQ told certain folks not to engage with the media and let her “handle it” which was letting them run wild. She doesnt ever step in for the media, it’s up to the partner of the person to stick up for them but in this instance she just looks like an a$$ because it should have been the entire royal family standing up against racism.
Remember when Kate and Will first got engaged and then married? Kate was dragged all the time, people taking inappropriate pictures of her, accusing her of eating disorders and being “crazy”? Well William dealt it by playing bat with the media, “write nice stories about my wife and I’ll throw you a bone every once in a while, a baby picture, an inside scoop etc.” Meanwhile I think Harry just said “No – this shiz is racist and I’m not playing games with you or putting up with it.” With no support from his family and especially TQ. The media has done more damage to Charles’s family and Andy is literally a pedophile and
TQ goes to bat for him and not for Charles or Harry.
I think Charles sees how tabloid media has destroyed his sons, their relationships and their mental health and I think its straining his relationship with TQ, which is probably already strained because Pedo Andy, his son, daughter IL, and grandson cant come home because of the situation, and she behaved appallingly during the death of Diana, didnt she not issue any words for days afterwords? I definitely think there is a big power struggle between them that Charles is going to win.
More tinfoil tiara.
This is in response to Cidy statement no. 18 re “bully” press release: I’m not sure why it’s way down here as I hit reply in her comment. 😎. So, re Wm / Harry — bully statement: I still think that was a negotiated statement and that Harry got something he wanted in the negotiation process in return for agreeing to the joint statement.
Charles is out for himself. I don’t see anything “heroic.” He often threw Harry to the wolves. He enjoyed the benefits of “helping” Meghan down the aisle but he made no effort to do anything for them Now he’s all buddy buddy with William and the two are shown “giggling” together. Where was he when his grandson was likened to a chimpanzee. Not a sound came from Charles nor any reaction.
Maybe just go with –
“Sussex getting shit done”?
Love it! Or Sussex Forever 🙂
So I read this twice. I don’t think that anyone is encouraging Harry to leave his family or that Meghan isn’t welcome. The door was figuratively left open for both of them, even though only Harry’s name was mentioned. I don’t think it’s going to happen, though.
They are not wording it as blatantly as that. What they are banking on is that Harry will want to come back out of a sense of duty and Meghan will say “Oh hell no, but you can buy a ticket”.
To me this is no different than not having H&M’s picture on the queen’s desk during her Christmas speech. Of course you are part of the family, of course we meant to include your wife, it was just an oversight on someone’s part.”
I think the royals actions speak a lot louder than their words.
The spin was that it was only the “heirs” that were in the photo. Totally bogus. Camilla, Kate and Philip are consorts not heirs. And all three of the Cambridge children were shown. A new great grandson was born that year yet he was totally left out.
I still think that the trademarking of Sussex Royal was in part to prevent the use and abuse of their names and images by others. They should just re-brand as Sussex Global and be done with it. It’s a much more powerful name in any event and better suited to their projects.
I agree, I thought it was more about protection than business opportunities.
Agree. The trademarking is done by ALL Royals to protect the name and prevent its use and abuse by others. No one cared when the Cambridge’s did the exact same thing.
People tend to forget the Cambs filed for trademark protection as well to prevent anyone else from “taking” the name. Yet, funnily enough, there was NO outrage at that. Hmm… I wonder what the difference is… I wonder… I… nope.. I just can NOT see what the difference is!*
*Yes.. this is sarcasm.
they can’t brand to “Sussex Global” I believe the University of Sussex owns that trademark for the school of global studies there
@ Kaiser, There’s so much treachery in that family. According to the latest info on H&M website, they had already been told they cannot use the ‘ Royal’, in January, so tthey decided to tell us on their website, but the Palace prevented them from doing it, only for it to be leaked to daily mail, just to humiliate them, it would have been good PR for the sussexes, if they had been allowed to release the info themselves, and that is what the palace is afraid of. I just learnt that, Michael Gove; attached to Duchy of Lancaster, handled the business about the ‘SussexRoyal.’ Well folks, Michael Gove is married to Sarah Vine, a complete nasty piece of work, a real Meghan hater, who works for Daily Mail. So now we know who has been leaking to Daily Mail via her husband. As Keir Simmons said, there is a lot of jealousy in the family, and royals and courtiers are briefing against H&M. I won’t be surprised if the Queen in her twilight years, is being bamboozled into making some decisions. It will all come out, when she is gone, mark my words. Probably slightly senile and forgetful, I am only speculating.
Ah the biggest sin of the black woman; existing on her own terms. I hope the BRF crumbles to dust in the next few decades.
The BRF attempts to gaslight H&M and it hasn’t worked and won’t. I’ve mentioned, I hope Meghan is pregnant soon and new baby is born in North America. I’d also like to see Harry apply for US citizenship. Easy to obtain, legal marriage, child with a US citizen.
I honestly hope they have submitted PR and subsequent citizenship applications for Canada.
Me too.
Quick check, Canada, US dual citizenship possible. We are known in Arizona’s southern border with Mexico for Canadian snowbunnies spending winter months there. Canada allows 180 days on visiting permit, (visa?) for Americans, and we offer the same 182 days to Canadians. One day out, return, count begins again. I’d love to see them live in and enjoy both countries.
Me three!!
Keen kate fans love to point out that Sussex are like Wallis and Edward, in that case, Wallis and Edward didn’t get divorced and they stick together in the end. Queen’s mother was horrible to Wallis, margate pay the price for her mother karma. Like princess Beatrice is paying for her father’s sin, I wonder who will pay for Cambridge sin? which child? The more they bully Meghan and Archie, the more harry is going to fight for them. It’s like forbidden love. The more they separate them the more the love is going deepen.
I worry because the obsession with Charlotte is already ramping up and she isn’t even out of pre-k.
My prediction is that Charlotte will become almost a carbon copy of Princess Anne, The Princess Royal.
You can already see the same feisty and independence streaks in Charlotte that Anne also possessed as a child.
Will she be as rude, condescending, and impolite as Anne? Oh what a joy.
The way they have reset the system? That means only George will be a working royal. Any other W&K children will go out and earn a living with rules about using HRH and their titles. And Charlotte will be used as a scapegoat for anything George does.
baytampabay but Anne was not spare like Andrew to Charles. She was way down the line. But charlotte will be bullied for her choice of a husband like harry, even worst she might compare to George’s wife and praise her how beautiful she is, well educated, manners, etc because in the end brf protects the heir and his line. charlotte and Louis’s life is writing on the wall. Louis will also have a hard time like harry, the media love bullying. already it was well established that none of the UK women wanted to marry into brf. I’m sure after Diana and much like Meghan where the world is exposed to rf and their bullying, Cambridge kids will be lucky to have a wife. In 21 century marrying a prince is not worth it and that’s why Harry had time finding a wife in the UK, Meghan if she knows well about media and rf dealing with married in, I bet she might back down from marrying him. In the end, tiara and palace are not worth the shit they throw at you.
@nota – I hope she does not become as rude as Anne but she may have to in order to ward off and dodge $hit thrown at her by her family.
It’ going to be much worse for Charlotte than it was for Anne. Had Anne been in her youth today, she would have been slut shamed up and down social media for her dating life in her 20s. All the artistos dating each other in the 70s were behind the media’s curtain of discretion–the “gentlemen’s agreement” that in the US prevented the public from leaving about JFK’s affairs. In the social media age, Charlotte’s life, I fear, will be quite difficult. God help the poor girl if she doesn’t grow up to be pretty and thin. She’s going to be compared to her mother and to Diana her entire life. Her best chance is to become Zara 2.0–a horsey girl with horsey aristo friends who fits within the confines of dull, aristocratic mediocrity. If she has spirit, intelligence, depth, or compassion, the media will be there to mock, shame, or bully it out of her. Especially if she dates anyone they deem “unsuitable.” Or if she’s a lesbian/bisexual. Louis might be better off. He could become another Andrew as easily as he could become another Harry. The sad, pathetic thing is that the RF and the BM would probably prefer Louis to become Andrew 2.0, pedo and grift and Fergie included, than Harry. What shitty people the RF is.
Look at how the media treated Beatrice and Eugenie and amplify…. it won’t be pretty for Charlotte. (I’m using coverage pre pedo Andy being public knowledge )
Anne was protected by the media for the most part because her affairs did not get the same coverage as they would now. And by the time the tabloids got bolder, she was older, further down the line and living a mostly boring life, with her second husband.
Charlotte won’t have that luxury.
I would LOVE to see Charlotte going full “Eleanor” from “The Royals” (TV show starring Liz Hurley). That would be SO FRIGGIN’ AWESOME, and a FULL FRONTAL kick in the ‘nads to William! 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Oooo, the royals, that show is a hoot!!!
A drunk, drug addicted mess that sleeps with random strangers from bars? It’s a fun show but that seems an odd life to wish on a toddler.
Three different times now harry has come out swinging against the royal reporters and his family about his wife. Do they really think he will eave her because he wants to come back into the palace? For years we’ve heard harry wanted out. Now he had a way out, his wife and son. Even if him and Meghan split, hes not going to leave archie.
I doubt they will split. Wallis Simpson is more like Camilla than Meghan. Camilla though got all the marbles.
I’m pretty sure Camilla and kate regret their role because this is not day to day job where you can get retired at age 60. I bet Camilla regret leaving her hubby and kate envy Pippa life. In most photo Camilla looks very tired and exhausted, kate is very stressed that she has to do this for at least 40+ years. How she is going to keep up?
Camilla did not leave her husband.
Andrew-Parker Bowles left Camilla.
Camilla never wanted to marry Charles back in the day. She and Anne were competing over APB and Camilla won. Later on, APB was proud his wife was a chosen mistress of Charles. They all remain great friends, with rumors Anne is now stepping out on Tim with APB.
@nota – The part about Anne & Andrew Parker-Bowles is something I have seen alluded to quite often over the last two years.
You are correct, they are all good friends which is how it works in that set (which is what Katie Keen did not understand but that is another story and another post).
Anyway back to polo-hunting-Jilly Cooper set, Andrew Parker-Bowels left his wife then almost immediately married Rosemary Pittman, his mistress-confident-whatever, before Charles married Camilla. I think Andrew Parker Bowels pulled the plug on his marriage to Camilla because the publicity got to be too much.
@BayTampaBay “Parker-Bowels” – love it 🙂
Once Camilla was outed, there wasn’t much choice. Quick divorced, all still friends, stay in the same circles. He even gave her a cartoon for Christmas one year that was mocking Kate’s topless photo scandal.
@notasugarhere l just google APB he is an 80 yo senior! l doubt Anne would have anything to do with him!
I’d be very very shocked if they ever split but yeah. He’s not abandoning his son and protecting Archie means protecting Meghan.
Also, they keep acting like Harry is going to come back because he’s going to miss royal life. Please. He’s going to have a much better life. they’re going to be/are rich, well-connected, with a wide circle of good friends who protect them. He doesn’t want to go to the annual diplomatic reception. they’re going to live in a mansion, they’re going to travel, Meghan is going to buy whatever damn clothes she wants, Harry is going to play polo in charity tournaments, they’re going to mingle with various big wigs – their life is going to be privileged without the added hassle of being a working royal. I cant really think of one aspect of Will and Kate’s life that is going to be better, except that Kate will have access to some serious bling, but I don’t think that’s a factor for H&M.
Harry will never leave Meghan. He would never leave the mother of his child because of what happened to him. I could see them having a Jolie-Pitt relationship that seems perfect from the outside until it runs its course but that will be when everyone least expects it, maybe ten or fifteen years from now.
For ten years, Harry’s ongoing theme has been, ‘I want out’ Literally a decade he has made this part of his conversations. He got out, he’s not going back. There is no way in hell he will allow himself and his family to be dragged back into that mess. There is no incentive they can offer him that will make him want to come back to being Willy’s whipping boy again. Just think, in ten years Will can throw Harry under the bus to protect George, although I’m positive William would find Archie fair game too, prick that he is.
Harry will never consider returning unless the royal family makes wholesale changes around its rules of engagement with the royal rota. That will never happen which probably means Harry will never return. Harry has always been consistent about his feelings for the royal rota and the exploitative media. Meghan & Archie was Harry’s motivation needed to finally walk the walk.
The 12 month review = ‘I can still pull Sussex titles back if I am not happy’.
That’s certainly the impression they are giving. Jeebus, they are just awful people.
Ps off topic but Gloria Aldred has a yellow bus driving around BP with her contact details for Prince Andrew https://twitter.com/delmody/status/1230842898012364800?s=21
I am screaming! Brilliant and absolutely the birthday gift he deserves. It has made The Guardian online too.
I love the Guardian.
The paper of record for progressives and anti-monarch republicans.
BTB – love the Guardian too. It’s nice to see it referenced here for a change instead of the Fail or the Sun!!
OMG… D.E.A.D!!!! BEST thing I’ve seen this morning!!!
Absolutely BRILLIANT! It’s what the pedo deserves! Karma is doing her job one step at the time!
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😂😂😂😂
OMG!!! This is the best thing I’ve seen in years!!!
Heh! Heh! Heh!
Oh my God that is funny. Do you think Andrew will finally get the message that the FBI is still waiting for his callback? Hope Gloria gets to make at least one pass around the Victoria statue in front of BP before they shut her down. And a big —- HOORAY — to the Guardian for putting it in their newsfeed. Y’all know this is going to go WORLDWIDE viral. Happy birthday Andrew — let’s all sing a chorus of: the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round….🎂🥳🚌 seems there is a Karma bus after all. 😎
This is just awesome, I love it.
That is amazing! So funny and perfect for the Birthday boy.
I can’t imagine the heartbreak of realizing your own family is complete and utter garbage. Both H&M. I’m so happy they have each other.
I’ve been thinking that too, how alike the two families revealed themselves to be in their abuses of H&M, and how quickly H figured it out, but how hard that must be… At some level tho, maybe he knew it all along, esp given the way they treated his mother…
I’m really and truly over the royal family at this point. I’m not British and have no connection; but this whole business with how they’re treating Meghan has completely turned me from setting alarms for royal weddings and cheering on their charity efforts to being furious and disappointed at each new headline. I’m just really done with them. Let the whole institution die out at this point.
I agree Abby! I have long desired to visit England and do the whole royal-touristy thing but now I have no desire to go see anything connected with this awful family. Imho, every member that stood silent while Meghan endured appalling abuse and hate is to blame but my special brand of fury is directed at the Queen, Charles and William. When that horrible chimp photo came out, it would have been the perfect opportunity for the Queen to remind the British public and press that they should be better than this, that this type of behavior is abhorrent and shouldn’t be tolerated by any sector of the public. I believe their silence will in the end be their undoing, people have seen it, can’t unsee it and now are left wondering what does the royal family even stand for.
omg i have the same feeling too. I even reject that university as an option to study there. thank god I’m not alone. I absolutely hate to see Cambridge face every day in the newspaper. I also hate to spend my money on them as a tourist but I will visit Scotland.
I wonder what impact this debacle with the Sussex’s will have on tourism to GB this year?
@ Lady — the strength of the pound will likely affect tourism more than anything else, if it falls in the wake of Brexit travel is more affordable.
@Lady D “l wonder what impact this debacle with the Sussex’s will have on tourism to Canada this year” I hope for the best!
Me too. Especially about visiting or buying royal stuff or watching royal weddings or magazines with their pictures in them. And the stupid thing is, the people who hate Harry and Meghan right now and are “on the RF’s side” aren’t the type of people who will proactively work to uplift the BRF. They don’t donate to charities, or take struggle survives, or buy magazines, or travel to the U.K. and visit the palaces, and buy Duchy Originals goat cheese and tea towels. They’re motivated by their own hate and get off on spending all their time and energy trashing the people they hate, whereas the people who like and support Meghan and Harry, are absolutely actively supporting them: buying vogue, buying SmartWorks, donating to charities, doing the baby shower.
You can’t motivate people to do good things that benefit you when the motivation is hatred against someone else. It’s like an election where there were all kind of people who hated Hillary Clinton so they just didn’t vote for her, they didn’t actually go out and vote for trump. They just stayed home trashing Hillary on social media. The RF isn’t getting any new fans that will actually help them with their work. Where are KP’s millions of Instagram followers when it comes to Kate’s survey? They’re not taking it Bc they don’t care about Kate and her work, they care about hating Meghan. Do you think all the people who hate Meghan and Harry and support the queen in her ruthless and petty decisions are going to start a charitable campaign in the queens memory once she dies? Absolutely not. But if Meghan and Harry get pregnant again, there will be a massive Sussex global baby shower take 2.
So the RF is just losing fans, losing support, losing tourists, losing money, losing media coverage. Why on earth are they doing what they’re doing? I kept thinking they were giving in to the very loud portion of the public who wants H and M punished, but why? It’s not going to help them gain new fans and it’s going to drive away the type of fans who actually have a conscious and do things like donate and support with their money.
@Amy Too ——- Wonderful comment! I have said something similar here……..the haters don’t spend money to support “those they supposedly like causes”. They are only there to hate H&M.
I am a Meg supporter, I will always support whatever she does and I suspect a lot of people who like Meghan or couldn’t stand the obvious bullying, xenophobic attacks, racism and sexism against her are like me.
Unfortunately for the RF, people like me couldn’t care less about the others. I will never do ANYTHING to help anyone else in that family; NEVER even for a charitable cause; I might as well just support my mom at this stage even though she doesn’t really need it!
Those who like the Cambridges or the Yorks should support their causes and initiatives but we all know they won’t. It is more important to hate Meghan
Someone on twitter suggested they use the name: The Ragland Spencer Foundation. Can’t take those names from them.
That’s so sweet and loving.
Pure genius. It would also leave the RF foaming at the mouth, which I love just as much.
That’s my favorite part.
Invert it, Spencer-Ragland, and they get to keep any ‘SR’ logos already created.
Good idea!
Genius!
Boo-ya! Great idea!
WOW… BRILLIANT suggestion, Guest!! Put it out on SM. Who knows, maybe it will get to them through some channel?
@ TheOG – I am NOT that clever. It was someone on SussexSquad on twitter. I really hope it does get to them. It would be totally on brand to honor their mothers in that way, it would drive the RF bat-shit insane, and if, as notasugarhere suggested, they reverse it, they can keep their monogram. Win, win, win.
How do we get this to them? 😉
Hmmm. Keep the door open if you leave your wife. Now where have we seen this before? Oh yes, pedo Andy who agreed to divorce lady Sarah to keep his privileges. He did it even though he still loved her and remained, I am guessing, a friend with benefits afterwards.
Mistake they are making is Harry has been through therapy, which forces you to look in the mirror and really look at yourself. Once it’s clear who you want to be, the choices come easy after that.
Right! This is their m.o. They’ve done it before so I absolutely believe they want Harry to leave his wife and child.
Why are you surprised? It’s the same what happened to Edward and Wallis Simpson. He abdicated for her and left Britain. He wanted to return, but Lizzie papa, king George, threatened Edward with money cutting if Edward and Wallis would return to England. But if Edward abandoned Wallis, obviously divorced her, royals would let him to return home at least. Message clear: they don’t like outcomers, because they are the highest level of ArIstOcrAcY, but if you are willing to admit and confess your sInS (Lizzie is a head of church, lol), you will be welcomed home and by family.
(Yeah, they were Nazis, or sympathised Hitler at least, but it’s not a point of the story).
Turn the Crown off. Edward was never abandoned by the family. Even after the files were released. He was still invited to come back as long as he got the monarchs permission (and I don’t think she actually said no)
He even got an invite to Charles’ investiture
It happened later with Lizzie and,like you said, Charles.
His brother was really salty about all this situation.
It was during the second world war. Europe was in a mess, Edward had made it clear he was in favour of appeasement with Germany and cozying up to the Nazis. Can you imagine what the UK would look like today if he’d allowed them to run roughshod all over Great Britain? Hitler had offered Edward his position back as Sovereign if England capitulated and he was determined to have the throne back with Wallis as Queen Consort. As a result, King George had to hustle his brother out of the UK as quickly as possible, so he and Wallis were sent to the Bahamas for the duration of the war. After Germany was defeated he was allowed to come back to visit but they chose to live in Paris as they leased an estate for a nominal fee and he was notoriously cheap.
Wallis was allowed to visit the UK with her husband at an unveiling of a plaque to Queen Mary.
The one thing Harry hates most about being royal is the Rota. If the Rota doesn’t adjust their sleazy reporting I do not imagine he will return to senior status.
Agree Lowrider. What planet would any rationale person have to live on to think the toxic British tabloid press will EVER tone it down. In my opinion, they just helped drive a very vulnerable public figure to suicide. I hope there is some Karma coming on their involvement there. Ms Flack’s family has just released a statement that she had wanted to post but her lawyers talked her out of it. The statement is pretty clear that the toxic media stories are breaking her. It is heartrending to read given that she has now hung herself.
They’re going to continue it unabated. Becky English is already stating it flat out on twitter.
Well English would keep going after them full throttle as she and Piers Morgan are in it up to their necks when the phone hacking part 2 legal action hits the courts. As we know this is the class action lawsuit that Harry joined and according to ByLineInvestigations.com, they could both be looking at possible jail time.
ETA: Apparently the troll comment was deleted.
Let me fix this for you:
People who have never been in a loving, supportive relationship think Meghan is calculating and lovebombed Harry to climb the ladder. She went in fully prepared to do her duty as a royal, and succeeded beyond anything more seasoned royals have.
If the queen is leaving it open, it’s because she doesn’t understand loyalty to one’s spouse and children because it’s not something she’s ever experienced. Her husband was a well-known adulterer, and she ignored her first two children and then smothered the third so thoroughtly he became a rapist who has no understanding of consequences. She actually believes that a title is more important than loyalty because she lacks values and is shocked that Harry would actually support the woman he vowed to love, honor, and cherish.
Meghan has a wide variety of friends – both people she’s known since college and people she’s met and befriended in the decades since then. They are loyal and have shown that they will stand by her even when racists and morons continue to lambast her reputation with fiction.
Now, go back to tumblr.
Guest, your comments are on fire today!! I so enjoy reading what you write 😊
If Meghan really was a social climber she did it all wrong. No one marries a prince hoping to secure the bag just to wind up with an unemployed house husband who mooches off his wife’s hustle. Seriously, it’s gotta be love at this point.
I read the door being left open for Harry as an admission that Meghan is considered insignificant in the royal family. Whether she wants to go or stay means nothing to them, their relationship is with Harry. She’s the perfect person to blame (especially in the press) if they’re mad at Harry but she’s ultimately of no real concern for them. They don’t care if she’s happy, they don’t care if she’s miserable – she’s a cardboard figure in their family scheme and if she isn’t comfortable with that, totally not their problem. I think they were utterly shocked that Harry didn’t play along with their traditions and they think he’s going to tire of her at some point. Ha! I don’t think he will … good for him and good for Meghan. They’re both so creative and dynamic, they’re making the right choice for their lives.
Yes Nan. —— As if Duchessing while black wasn’t bad enough, now Meghan is breathing while black. What a lovely message this sends to the Commonwealth.
JA LowcountryLady: Right? In Meghan & Harry, they had the best ambassadors possible for many Commonwealth countries and women and people of color. It sends a terrible message and it can’t be erased.
Harry loves his wife Meghan the way the other men in his family love their longtime mistresses.
I’ve said this before but Chuckie told us all loud and clear what kind of scum he is by betraying Diana with the Rottweiler. In fact his refusal to speak up for H&M and that adorable baby just amplifies his inner filth. Forever on my name for Buckingham Palace is Buckingham Sewer. As for TQ, she is the same kind of filth. No sympathy for that racist, pedo-rapist defender, idc how old she is.
Camilla is an outsider who got to have what Diana had, up to a point…She never had royal children. The Queen never did anything to help Diana and made nice with the mistress and even gave a toast to her at the C and C wedding. Totally disgusting.
Are you for real with this comment? Duty to being royalty but not a duty to be a decent person? To not run to the press and smear your own family? And both Harry and Meghan have fair weather friends AND family which is a shame. But Sure, Jan. Carry on.
ETA: Well I guess that troll and her comment are out of here….
These people are truly delusional. And with each lie, smear and petty a$$ move they only further prove to Harry and everyone else that he and Meghan made the right choice.
It also proves that none if his own family actually KNOW him all that well. Having a wife and family has been Harry’s dream forever. They actually think he would abandon his wife and child for THEM?!? LMFAO.
I never felt one way or another regarding royals, but this debacle, along with Andrew’s handling, has me tipped to a profound hatred for the establishment and anyone inside that ridiculous bubble. I love the history. Human history has an amazing capacity for hope in spite of its inability to escape cyclical repetition, but if there was ever a reason to vacate those royal houses and flush the royals, it’s now. There should be consequences. Remaining quiet wearing a stiff upper lip while condemning equality and praising child molestation and human trafficking should require eradication. Dissolution. Abdication. Any of it. All of it. I haven’t read any news item regarding the royals other than Harry and Meghan since they moved. I’m done. I’m team H&M. To hell with the rest.
I’m with you Mabs A’Mabbin. In a perfect world we’d see a course correction, but I don’t think it will happen in Britain anytime soon. Seems the world has caught fire — look at the last few years here in US. The hatred, the violence, and the bigotry is truly horrific and growing.
Even more proof of this “family” being a toxic BULLYING pedo apologist den!!!
I think people are overhyping this. I keep thinking about the daily fail article reporting Meghan’s friend janina following an account named Archie foundation.
I really think this is damage control by courtiers and bitter bill,lizzy and chaz! The Sussexs also had a chance to rename their foundation after that idiot doctor objected or something!
Meghan was a lifeline to Harry! She has offered him life and joy and love and a new family. They are not “exiled” in Canada like the fuddy duddy Duke and Duchess of Windsor. H&M’s life is full of possibilities. They will create a new home, take care of Archie and any siblings with loving care, do meaningful work and have a wide network of interesting friends.
There is a reason Harry never married any of those aristocrats … his intuition saw a different future for him and he luckily waited it out until it arrived. And there is no Royal Family for him to return to as if there is one happy family compound with a loving family awaiting him. The Royals lead separate lives … he’s not going to move in with the Queen or Charles or Wills or Eugenie.
Harry changing his mind and returning to the big nothing that England has to offer is not going to happen, no matter how many headlines and stories these editors dream up.
Agree. I don’t think there is any comparison between the Sussexes and Edward/Wallis…..and that’s what has the Firm chasing its tail. The Sussexes are going to explode on to the world stage come April 1.
I think there are lessons from the Edward / Wallis experience that are applicable (Eg, you don’t get to call the shots and change the monarchy the way you want, even if you are king FFS) but the key difference is Edward never wanted to abdicate and didn’t want to be exiled and he railed against both for years……whereas Harry really chose it when he didn’t get what he wanted.
Chose it when he didn’t get what he wanted? Way to twist it.
All he wanted was his wife to be treated with respect.
I honestly think that H&M were more ambitious for A more sustained spotlight than the “spare” ever really gets with time. Youth and beauty grabs spotlight yet fades, but power lasts. They knew they’d age out of the spotlight when the next generation came along in 10-15 years and William would onLy get more powerful. They needed to create their own sustainable gig if that was the wind beneath their wings. 🤷♀️
It’s more complicated than that. When the door was repeatedly shut in Edward’s face, for very valid reasons, that he could not marry a twice-divorced American with a shady past and Nazi sympathies, AND who clearly had her eye on being Queen Consort despite what she portrayed, he chose to abdicate. He was hustled out of England during the war so he wouldn’t foment plots with the Nazis. He had no other choice but to take the Governorship of the Bahamas.
H&M were not trying to hog the spotlight, they did such a great job with the roles they were given that William got jealous. William clearly disapproves of Meghan for a variety of reason, not least of which is she is bi-racial, but she works rings around Kate and William, as we all know, is a petty, self-righteous little prick and threw them under the bus again and again. And continues to do so. That’s what booted the whole mess off and good for them for turning their backs on such a poisonous atmosphere.
The Wallis and Edward situation is totally moot. Since then the Queen’s sister, and two of her children got divorced. Now her eldest grandson is getting a divorce. It’s not the thirties anymore. Camilla would have not gotten anywhere near the throne back then. Camilla is the comparison to Wallis, her husband was even called Mr Simpson when Charles was involved with then married Camilla.
Leigh, that’s a really good point you made about the different families within the RF living separate lives. From previous reporting, we know that Harry and Meghan rarely saw their royal family members even when they were living at Frogmore. They’d see them for the big royal events like trooping, garden party, Easter, Christmas, weddings, and baptisms. It’s not like all the members of the royal family were acting out episodes of Modern Family, getting together constantly for pizza Friday, and Sunday dinner, hanging out with each other at their kids’ sporting events, all going to Charlottes ballet recital, taking vacations together, shopping together, and babysitting each other’s kids. They weren’t all in the delivery room when each other’s kids were being born and Harry’s own brother didn’t see Archie for weeks, right? When they did have events together that made it seem like they were hanging out, they really weren’t: they’d arrive separately, nor at each other, and immediately split up to shake hands with different groups of people before getting back in their cars and driving away again. Remember the polo game that both Kate and Meghan were at with their kids? They didn’t even acknowledge each other. Harry said that he was looking forward to getting to know Kate AFTER she and will got engaged and had been dating for 10 years. It’s obvious the family rarely saw each other anyways, hardly spoke even on the telephone (again from previous reports), organized stuff through their secretaries when they had to do events together, and sometimes couldn’t see each other even when they really wanted to (Harry was barred from seeing the Queen to talk about sussexit). So while the RF can make it seem like they super miss Harry and he’s missing out on the whole family aspect of being a royal, he’s really not. It sounds like Harry and Meghan will still be going to at least some of those big family events, starting with commonwealth services, they’ll just be spending the time they usually spent away from the family in Frogmore, away from the family in Canada. The distance doesn’t matter since no one was visiting them anyways. The in between family events times seemed to be the bulk of their time in England. So why not spend that time doing the same sort of work they would’ve been doing (charities, patronages), in a country with stricter press laws, surrounded by residents who respect their privacy, much closer to the members of their family they actually do talk to and want to spend time with (Doria), and not have to deal with the racist British tabloid press that made up the royal rota?
This isn’t really new news if you’ve been paying attention. The “you can keep but not use HRH “ was the major tell. The BRF is playing the long game, and if H&M go kaput as a couple, he will slide right back in. The question really is about whether or not that will happen. Two folks coming from dysfunction get together, crazy ensues, yeah…..my money is on that it won’t be a forever marriage, sorry. It just may take longer than the BRF thinks 🤷♀️
Betting on (and hoping for) people’s eventual unhappiness. Nice.
Looking at the odds, i am likely right. That doesn’t mean I wish for it. Your performance snark is duly noted.
Not performance snark. Actual snark.
Encore !🤪
Eh, we constantly speculate about Willy dumping Waity for Rose Who.
The crazy isn’t ensuing from H&M, it’s ensuing from that horrible family and the cesspool of Rotas and garbage media that they are feeding.
You people keep wishing divorce on this lovely couple and yet it’s your good white royals whose marriages are falling apart one by one. And William and Kate will crumble long before the Sussexes do, hun. But keep it up with the nastiness and ill will towards H&M, because the more you wish for their downfall the more likely we’ll see Queen Rose in 25 years.
Being pragmatic about the odds isn’t the same as wishing for the outcome. No where have I said I wished for it, but let’s also be honest. Marrying into this family hasnt worked out well for anyone since Phillip, and he was damn sure miserable for his first 50 or so years too🤷♀️
Scorpio, I don’t believe for an instant he will slide right back in. He’s gone and with or without Meghan he’s not moving back into that hellhole family. I think he would stay in Canada first.
You may well be right……what I should have said that is more accurate of my thoughts……he can slide back in IF HE WISHES
Scorpio – what THEY wish. He and Meghan are partners and anything they attempt will be done in concert. My guess is they’ll take up permanent residence in Canada.
Jaded, the premise of this whole thread was that the BRF was keeping a pathway for Harry to return If the marriage didn’t work out, at least that’s how I read it, so my posts here were Made within that context.
The BRF is playing a long game they’re going to lose. Harry isn’t leaving Meghan, no matter how much you tumblr escapees wish it.
Too old for tumblr, too young for life alert😎
Apparently not, as you seem up on all the tumblr themes and tropes.
Playing devil’s advocate for a minute… Say Meg was the absolute worst most toxic person in the world. (Which she clearly isn’t and I don’t think she is, but let’s play.) Don’t they know that if you come after someone’s partner, they cling together even if it is wrong? But the royal family doesn’t even seem to know Family Hating the Partner 101.
Tell me my partner sucks and I’ll defend him to the grave…
Shouldn’t Kate be worried—I would be if I were her. This would lead me to believe I would be disposable and not protected at all.
Kate is so worried she agreed to go to church with her husband’s mistress on her birthday weekend. She knows the deal.
With a big smile on her face and her mother was right there too, literally to catch her back. What a family!
I don’t think it’s a matter of being worried she’s next on the chopping block. Kate is simply unable to deal with her life in the BRF at all. She’s painted herself into a corner with her marriage to a philandering, petulant man-child and affiliation with a toxic family. She doesn’t have half the talent and focus Meghan has to make something of the chances she’s been given, and now the BRF are busy giving themselves black eye after black eye trying to blame it all on M&H and protect a sexual predator. The only thing she can do to protect herself is give in and that’s exactly what she’s been doing all along.
Kate will always worry about being dispensable, this is her life. Her every action and decision is based on cementing her position. She lives like this. It’s not natural. She is at William’s beck and call.
Then comes protecting her kids as best as she can, which I’d argue is natural. It doesn’t mean it’s always the best though i.e. Andrew the rapist.
Naw, she doesn’t have any power in her marriage! That’s all her fault. Women need to be independent and have their own before marriage. Lazy, waity Katie couldn’t even prevent her husband from selling their kids to the tabloids in exchange for not speaking of his affairs and misdeeds! Wow, I wouldn’t want to be in a marriage like that when I can’t even protect my own kids! Kate made her bed, she must lay in it!!
She is disposable.
I tend to agree. There’s a clear distinction to being blood of the family and simply marrying into it. They’ve shown us that repeatedly.
If Diana the people’s princess could be disposed of, then Kate sure can be as well. Kate doesn’t have the social power Diana did and if William did want to divorce her, he would do so and likely get away with it too. Even if he was the cheater. Most who support the monarchy also support patriarchy and the married ins are always disposable. Henry VIII was cruder in how he got rid of his wives, but he didn’t lose any power because of it.
The Royal family sure is doing a lot of complaining, with not enough explaining. They need to get over this and stop making themselves look pathetic and so obviously desperate. Harry you, and only you, and not that wife and kid of yours , is always welcome to be a sad, robotic ribbon cutter. Getting sick of this nonsense. The Royals need to get a grip. They may have to leave that door open for the next 18 years. Meghan is going to be 39 this year. You know they’ll be trying for baby number 2 after Archie hits his first birthday, and that takes work.
I believe the Royal in Sussex is important to them because it helps their branding, not because of personal reasons. Good branding is essential for their philanthropy work. If they can’t raise funds and network, it would be difficult for them to continue supporting their chosen causes. So this is petty AF. And it doesn’t explain how Beatrice and Eugenie can still do private work with HRH in their names. So yes Queenie, Charles, William and all of you royals and royal reporters, you all look dumb and petty. And I used to be indifferent to them. They are so disgusting now. Don’t tell me they can’t allow it due to Parliament or inconsistency. Cos you know if the Queen wants something she can make it happen. And he’s royal. By technical dictionary definition he is part of the royal family and the son of a future King, unless he disowns them legally.
If HM can’t support their causes anymore I think they will just live off their inheritance quietly and happily. Tell Dad to continue paying off their security costs if not, they would write a book about everything. I’ll buy it just to give a big FU to those disgusting racists.
Not to get ethnocentric and all, but can someone explain what these descendants of German and Greek “royalty” have to do with British identity?
@ Gatorlover…………….well since Charles II, born 1630 at St James’s Palace, London, only two British monarchs have been born outside Britain ( but in Germany) – George I (great grandson of James I and VI) and George II born 1660 and 1683 respectively. That was because Charles II daughters died without heirs so they had to go back up the line to the next eldest sibling of Charles II to find the next in line, which was George I . George III and all eight succeeding monarchs (if you include Edward VIII) were born in Britain. Is 8 generations enough? 😆
Philip is a great great grandchild of Q. Victoria as are half the royals of Europe!! She married her multitude of kids around the continent!
Hope this helps.
Actually it doesn’t. I could see romanticizing a lineage from the Tudors as being something truly “British” and worth preserving, but the rest of otherwise the arbitrariness of these royal machinations becomes clear. In one branch of my family, the 1600 is only five generations back – seems quite recent.
But thanks for the detailed response
Also while Prince Philip was a Greek prince, ethnically he is of German and Danish descent. The Greek royal family was a fairly new entrant is to European houses ( 1830s) and many Greek nationalists always regarded them as outsiders
James II had to abdicate because he was a catholic. The line could have continued but the desire to have Protestant monarchs lead the search to Hanover.
I recall that many f the wives were of German blood, too, not just the monarchy line, but the relatives they married were very much preferred chosen within the German pool.
Thanks for that as well, L4frimaire.
The whole notion of a “royal family” representing something intrinsically “national” seems pretty silly when you look at these details. It’s more like they’re major league ball players being traded around – but then again the citizenry does manage to develop attachments to the players in “their” team!
Well I thought 9 generations would be enough, sorry. 😆 But I’ll go back a bit further. There were English or Danish by conquest kings in England (which only became one country under Aethalstan in 927) before 1066 then William I, a Norman bastard son of the Duke of Normandy, became king by right of conquest. Since then all English/British (since 1603) monarchs were born in either what is now France but was at the time part of the English Crown territory which was extensive there at the time, Wales (3) Scotland (2)then the two I mentioned earlier who were born in Germany as the direct descendants of previous kings did not produce a living heir. I think that takes us back around 30 generations. 😆
Of course, the children of monarchs were traded around – that is what it was all about when monarchs were rulers, unlike now, and it was important to make friendly alliances with other countries, daughters got married off all over Europe, poor devils. But now the British monarch is not a ruler and governments make the trade agreements so royal marriages are no longer arranged as they once were.
End of history lesson!
I don’t think legally the RF has a leg to stand on in saying Harry can’t use “Royal” in his branding. They are always going on about bloodlines and blood princesses and line of succession and who must curtsy to whom. They can’t have it both ways…if it’s birth and blood, they can’t take it away.
I can see the Queen being able to control using HRH or such, but NO ONE can dispute Harry’s royal birth. So, Sussex Royal should be his to use. It’s a descriptor, not an honorific. I think they should use it anyway and make the jackals sue them over it. And win.
If this is remotely true, it’s disappointing and pathetic.
Ha! Harry is not going back, even if he left Meghan. He is the most unroyal of them all, even more so than meghan. I don’t think you can be a good person and be apart of that family, it’s impossible. There is nothing respectable by living in the lap of luxury off the backs of hard working tax payers, when you’re perfectly able bodied. Harry has got too much integrity to be a member of the brf.
It was announced later today that the Sussexes will form a nonprofit organization without the use of the word “royal ” .
These are people who do not want to deal with no toxicity – not from certain family members nor the feral beasts of tabloid Fleet street press.
Just noticed this article about leaving a toxic relationship.
There is a social cost for leaving a toxic relationship, in this case leaving vital pieces of human experiences.
There is a financial cost also. Financial abuse is the most insidious of tactics and is involved in 99% of domestic violence cases- one-sided haggling about the use of “royal “.
Peace of mind is worth any cost, living your best,most peaceful, most authentic life is absolutely worth it.
As iterated by Jason Pure your best life maybe at the end of a major status quo shift.
Congratulations to Harry and Meghan!!
You can always have a streaming service for your upcoming events. No matter what the outcome, Prince Harry will no longer be a “foot soldier” nor a third will to any other couple.
God Bless.
John Candy’s character in “Cool Runnings” has a great line explaining why he cheated at the Olympics: “If you’re not enough without it [medals], you’ll never be enough with it.” It seems many members of the BRF are caught up in the mystique and medals; they think they are “better” and that everyone envies them and they can’t fathom that someone would be happy without the trappings of royalty. So, they think that if they take everything away from Harry, he will give up Meghan and possibly Archie to come back into the fold.
But they haven’t been paying attention the past four years. Despite the current stresses, Harry has been the happiest he has been in a while since he met Meghan. He and Meghan are obviously in love and in sync with how they see their life together. They are both besotted with their son and committed to raising him to be a happy, healthy little boy. I cheered watching Harry’s wedding and his announcement of Archie’s birth: in both videos, he looked like a man who had suddenly gotten everything he’s ever wanted and can’t believe his good fortune.
Cool Runnings has so much to teach us! Love John Candy.
Spot on analysis, though – I’ve never seen Harry happier.
It is reasonable. Harry is the Queen’s grandson and the future king’s son. If he thinks in a year or two or whatever that he took a bad decision, It is logical that he will be able to return to his role in the Royal Family, the one he should never have abandoned. His wife doesn’t want to have any work in it, if things come like that, she will do what she wants to do or what is more economically suitable for her.
And I think that the Duke of York should lose his HRH and all his titles and live as a private citizen. He has commited a fault, a big one. His mother can love him, he’s her son, but he doesn’t deserve Royal Titles and patronages. The door should be closed for him forever.
I respect Queen Elizabeth and I’m very sad that at the end of her life she has to suffer this kind of things.
Why do you lump PaedoAndy in with the Duke and Duchess?
Andrew – groomed, raped and discarded vulnerable minors
The Duke and Duchess – tried to work hard, but were abused for it; got sick of the abuse and racism flung at them by the Mail et al and left the country to keep their sanity.
I don’t know where you got the idea that Meghan didn’t want to work. She DID work. She got three big projects completed in two years, plus tours, multiple visits around the country, a pregnancy and post-partum recovery (certainly not helped by the tabloid vitriol). If you really think there’s any comparison, I’d like to introduce you to something called a ‘category error’. I’d also direct you to Kate’s record. Nine years to come up with a survey whose questions she cribbed from the first chapter of the APA introduction to developmental psychology does not speak to a good work record.
Oh – and Andrew was Brenda’s favourite child and had the most time with her. If there’s any blame to be laid for how this monster turned out, it’s the absolute lack of accountability taught him by his mother
@LadyAle, I want to get this straight, so I’ll quote you. You say “he will be able to return to his role in the Royal Family, the one he should never have abandoned.” Then, go on to say, “His wife doesn’t want to have any work in it.” Reading it for the second time, I’d said that’s some not even half-slick TROLL commenting, but you knew that. That “Royal family” you speak of is nothing more than a collection of hereditary grifters, bigots, racists and snobs and, as @Andrew’s Nemesis said, the DoS did work and wanted to continue to work. So, you’ve done your part for the hater cause today, now take you trolling somewhere else.
I am Asian and a longtime fan of the Sussexes. My interest in the royal family has long died with Diana and was only resurrected with the entry of Meghan. In fact, I am scheduled to visit UK in December in the hope that I could be close to my idols even if it is only by visiting their country. But because of the unfortunate Megxit and the impression that the Brits are racist against non-white, my family and I are thinking to pass up the opportunity. I still wish the Sussex family huge success in all their endeavors . Bless them ‘
Some Brits, Marivic. Certainly not the majority of us; only the ones that shout the loudest. It has been stated that the majority of the anti-Meghan trolls were actually multiple pseudonyms run by 20 women, at most, in North America and Australia. The big problem for us, and the reason we need Levenson II urgently, is the tabloid press. We have the unfortunate distinction of being the nation who has one of the worst, if not the worst, gutter press and a number of feeble minded people who believe what they read. The Daily Mail in particular has had its metaphorical knives out for the darling Duchess since very early on. Aided and abetted by the Royal Reporters (and probably the communications team in Kensington Palace) they spin tissues of lies to keep these feeble minded sewers hooked and to increase their circulation. They must be stopped.
But please don’t not visit us; let us show you what a lovely nation we CAN be. I’d be glad to show you around London, if you like!
As a Brit this makes me sad you feel this way. You will be welcome in the UK as it multiple cultural nations. We welcome all people from all walk of life, so do not be afraid to visit as you will be greeted warmly and openly.
There will always be racist arseholes but please know that they don’t speak for the majority of the people. xx
Meghan and Harry she NOT go to the engagement with the family. Lizzie the petty Queen will use her final dagger and stab them in the back publicly
@Andrew’s Nemesis – I am glad to hear and read that some in the UK are not Co-signing on this garbage from the press; but frankly these media monsters act as if they are speaking for all Brits. They are giving the UK a black eye and so is the BRF in the way it has handled the Sussexes and Andrew.
I hope the couple go back only for their own chosen events instead of dancing to TQ’s nasty tune. And then they should not waste precious time with any of the RF who’ve been ugly to them which means nearly all as far as I can tell. None have stuck up for H&M. Seems too stressful a situation for the baby/toddler and all their safety is most important. The RF is likely to leak when, where they’ll be. It’s just too risky imo.
I hope Great Britain doesn’t require any military help in the future, since they can’t seem to accept our American Princess.
Once again, please be advised that the great British public is a totally different entity from the obnoxious British press.
If you are concerned about racism:
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2019-08-15/police-shootings-are-a-leading-cause-of-death-for-black-men
What aboutism. The US has a long acknowledged race issue. Guess it’s time for the UK to acknowledge and face their own issue.
I wonder how passionately everyone here would be defending Meghan if she wasn’t American