Yes, we’re still analyzing the awkward, frosty body language between the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. The two couples were seated near each other on Commonwealth Day, at the Westminster Abbey service. Even with a Wessex buffer, the vibe between the couples was ice-cold. Well, I’ll correct that – Meghan seemed happy and FREE. She knew this was the last time she had to see these musty old fools for a while, so she was serene and blissed out. Harry looked downright angry, Kate looked like a juvenile Mean Girl and William seemed subdued. A lip reader picked up on two statements the brothers made to their wives during the service:
After exchanging words with William, Prince Harry reportedly turned to Meghan and said, “He literally said: ‘Hello Harry,’ and that was it, and he didn’t say anything more than that.”
As they sat down, Prince William turned to his wife and allegedly spoke about the Coronavirus outbreak, saying, “We can’t shake hands and we have to hold back. We will have to put loads of hand gel on afterwards.” According to The Telegraph‘s lip reader, he also added, “I am not used to it, it feels weird.”
I feel like Harry really was working himself into a STATE over the course of Monday. It would not surprise me at all if Harry had at least one shouty, angry confrontation with *someone* before he left the UK. Maybe William, maybe his father, maybe a bitchy courtier. But Harry was definitely in a mood. As well he should be. Meanwhile, Katie Nicholl at Vanity Fair chimed in with her take on the general mood on Monday – you can read the full piece here. Here are the interesting bits:
Again, the Sussexes are “emotional”: Friends say that the couple’s visit has brought out strong feelings. “It’s not been easy for anyone,” said a source close to Meghan and Harry. “I think they’re both pretty emotional.”
Meghan was nice to the Wessexes: “Sophie and Edward were happily chatting with Harry and Meghan and made a point of being very inclusive,” said one eyewitness. “Meghan said hello to them both and how nice it was to see them which gave the impression that they haven’t seen them since they’ve been back.”
William & Harry are not in touch: While Harry and William are understood to have made peace with each other before Harry left for Canada, the brother’s are not in regular touch, and the distance between the once close siblings is apparently a source of sadness for the family, particularly the Queen.
Kate seemed “glum”: “Possibly she was tired but she didn’t look overjoyed. To be honest I think Kate has taken it all badly,” said a royal source. “She, Harry and William were once such a happy trio, she thinks what has happened is all very sad.”
Lord. “She, Harry and William were once such a happy trio, she thinks what has happened is all very sad.” Kate literally thinks it’s “sad” that Harry stopped being his brother’s doormat. Kate thinks it’s sad that Harry fell in love and got married and became a father. Kate laments the fact that Harry didn’t just stay single forever so he could be the Cambridges’ permanent third wheel and they could bask in his popularity. And yes, Kate “has taken it all badly.” She has from the start. But keep your eye on the brothers, because that’s where it all originated.
Photos courtesy of Avalon Red, WENN.
Harry’s face with the 7 of them walking out says it all. He is PISSED. Don’t blame him though. I bet he burned the house down before leaving. Good on him
Yup, those are daggers shooting out at an alarming rate! And Lazy Krazy has taken it so badly, what a bunch of BS! She is thrilled that they are gone!! It will be an unending deluge of look at me, look at how pretty I AM, look how smart and hard working I AM. Oh, and look at my beautiful children who I hope to give another sibling as I work on breaking their fathers clearly stated stance of only three, but I will name him suffer! Look at ME!!! It’s ME, Lazy Krazy with all of the world focusing on ME!!
They’re not showing up for trooping the colour no? I’d be surprised if they show to Beatrice’s wedding either.. so glad they gtfo.
It sounds like Harry isn’t keen to be around Andrew.
Wow. Weird.
Harry has that “ready to beat the brakes off somebody” look.
That is some *serious* stink-eye.
What I’d like to know is who is on the other side of those daggers? The Queen or a courtier?
Harry’s still in the UK, Meghan flew back to Vancouver Island Sunday night and Harry will join her a little later in the week. There may still be some fireworks before he departs.
Flew back Sunday? She was here yesterday.
GloryS – my bad, it was Monday night
Honestly, from the video I saw, the pissed off look on Harry’s face showed up when H&M’s greeting to the Cambridges was rebuffed/ignored (and I thought William had less than pleasant look on his face when he was greeted)
And who can blame Harry. After everything that has gone down, he and Meghan show up prepared to behave in public and the Cambridge’s act like asses. If the lipreader read their statements correctly — and especially if this is the first time they have seen each other since January —- then I think it shows to a remarkable degree exactly who each brother is: Harry’s comment is about William blowing him off — it’s personal and it hurts. William’s comment — after just blowing off his brother in front of the world — is about his concern for making sure he doesn’t touch anyone. It’s business and heartless.
As to Katie Nicholl’s Vanity Fair piece on “Kate’s just taking all this badly.” Poor Kate, it has been so hard on her to give up everything she knows and relocate to another country for a man she loves and deal with 2 hostile families (hers and his) and a hostile press …..oh wait that’s actually Meghan! Ok, poor Kate, she gave up everything, married the man she loved and had a beautiful family but his family blanked her and her baby and husband so much, leaked lies about her, and then she had to deal with all that hostility and racism that it forced her and her husband to take their baby and leave everything her husband has ever known and relocate to another country…..oh wait, that’s Harry, Meghan, and Archie! Ok, poor Kate, even after she tried so hard, worked so hard and tried to make it right, her husband’s family still continued to leak lies about her and did everything they could to let her know she should never, never, ever come back with that baby of hers, but still when her MIL commanded her to, she came and was spot on, but his family still shit on her —- even in front of a worldwide audience in a house of God……oh wait, again that’s Meghan. Ok, poor Kate, she’s stuck with herself and her nasty ass karma ….yes, poor Kate. Please, Katie Nicholl — mouthpiece for Keen Kate — needs to sit down and shut up!
Not only that, but if he literally just said “Hello, Harry” he completely ignored Meghan’s greeting to him. I can see that making Harry furious.
Harry looked like he could have strangled someone and I was like WTF is going on here????
And massive eye roll to Kate’s Happy Trio. Why the hell would anyone want to be a third wheel, let alone to these two ding dongs???? And Kate is an empty headed twit. After all this and how she has carried herself – ugh!!!!
This is all very interesting because something did go down recently. It will all leak out soon enough. The story is too good for reporters to just leave it alone.
Katie Keen enjoyed the attention she got from Harry that her husband isn’t interested in giving her – Harry has always treated her well and with respect.
Plus, Harry actually held conversations with her and made it a point to be a supportive BIL.
@ DU, I am surmising that Harry probably took some pressure off of her and he helped somehow balance Will. Remember, their mother said Harry had the disposition for king not Wills. So I wonder if now that he is gone it doesn’t drastically change her responsibilities of how to handle her husband. The giant temper tantrum throwing heir to the thrown.
Those thoughts attributed to Kate are GROSS.
Agreed, Shazzbot. I have a pleasant relationship with my in-laws and we are friends but … ewww. Never, ever. And it’s insane to insinuate that Kate and Harry are anything but both upset by these turn of events, because it is sad that this family isn’t close anymore.
Shazbot, I don’t believe anyone is insinuating anything beyond the fact that Harry brought some freshness to the the dynamic when they had to “work” together. He knew how to handle his brother and that also helped Kate. Now with Harry gone, it means Wills not only has his original issues but added that his brother has left. Which will be ALOT FOR Kate to handle. Harry brought laughter and brightened up the group. Now it’s dull.
Sorry, I don’t think they’re gross because of anything going on untoward. I think they’re gross because they might as well have just added “until Meghan came along and ruined everything and now we can’t even be civil toward her because her interference in our lives has upset us so”.
As if Harry’s whole purpose in life has been to coddle Will and Kate and how dare he build a life for himself outside of them and their expectations. Though now that I write that down, omg that is what they actually thought, isn’t it? They thought he’d marry some simple little british blonde who would toe the line and not get in the way of their status quo.
I hate them all.
I don’t believe they were ever a ‘happy trio’ considering William and Kate aren’t even a ‘happy duo’. I don’t believe Harry even liked kate. Didn’t he used to call her ‘limpet’ because of her co-dependency on William? When the middletons tried to start a rumour that harry and Pippa were ‘dating’ didn’t he get so mad he issued a denial via a statement? Poor Pippa, Talk about the ultimate rejection lol! Eventhough Harry always knew kate ain’t shit, he was probably still nice to her, especially when William was treating her like crap. Also when George was very young, before Meghan came on the scene, there were never any pictures of him and Harry interacting, ever? Because William didn’t want harry to recieve possitive press with everyone calling him ‘fun uncle harry’. This ‘happy trio’ was alway BS, and yet Harry still always had their back. It’s a shame they couldn’t do the same.
Yup to all of this!
Unpopular opinion here but I have always considered Harry to be moody and I betcha Meg has to deal with a lot of drama from him. Just the impression I got from them from the beginning. Think about his upbringing. Very used to getting his way. He has good qualities I am sure but high maintenance. William too. Kate has to deal with him in that way as well.
Moody is a pathetic word.
Harry has been dealing with a lot of crap.
Most men dont deal with their issues.
Harry is actually dealing and not hiding away.
I’d be moody too if my family laughed and snickered through my wedding, abandoned and ignored me when my wife & child were being fed to the wolves.
I’d be moody if then when I decide to leave for my own peace of mind, they attempt to belittle and shame me by stripping me of everything, hold me to a completely different standard than everyone else and use me still to shield a literal criminal in the family.
Harry is entitled to every bad mood he feels in regards to them. I hope Meghan has his back just like he has hers.
Well, with the amount of shit that his family has thrown at him & Meghan, I am not surprised that he would feel that way. I would have gone nuclear, a long time ago.
I think you’re right. The royal brothers both seem moody as hell and used to getting their way. It would not be easy to married to either one of them. Sure, Harry is the better pick of the two, but is that really saying much?
I’m sure he is somewhat high maintenance cause royalty and rich white dude but definitely not as much as his father or brother. He is the spare and was in the military for 10 years. He doesn’t seem nearly as fussy as the rest of them.
@ChrissyMS I’m w/you. I don’t buy into the 1 good the other bad. I do believe ANYONE raised as those 2 boys were would be entitled, always got their way , spoiled, well, princes. I’m sure both women run smack into that version of their husband on the regular. I’m guessing Kate more often than Meghan
It’s not an unpopular opinion; I agree with Snappyfish that it seems likely just given their upbringing. But I think Harry has had more exposure to regular people, has greater emotional intelligence, chose a wife who seems to have her head on her shoulders and he has put in the work therapy-wise and emotionally to *not* be that person anymore.
Here’s my unpopular opinion: without knowing why he’s shooting daggers, he looks a little immature. But I look forward to the leaks in the next few weeks, months and years that tell us what happened, at which point I fully expect to say, “oh yeah! he should have shot daggers at them!”
I think Harry wanted to marry and married a woman who wanted to live in the real world.
I think Normal Bill married a woman who wanted, at the time, to exit the real world stage-left ASAP to live in the fairy tale unreal royal bubble.
I agree with you! I think both royal boys are very emotional, extremely spoiled and never told they were brats.
I think both women have to deal with a lot of their emotional baggage and it’s just a lot. And for Meghan it must have been terrible the racism from the press, giving up her entire life/career, moving and having a baby on top of the moody behavior of her husband.
Honestly this entire mess has made me think very little of both of Diana’s sons.
Harry appeared to be fine until the Cambridges arrived and gave that stilted greeting. It could have been two things that set him off. 1, As the lip reader reported, William only said hi to Harry, nothing else, and didn’t say anything thing at all to Meghan, who both said hello and waved at both of the Cambridges with a smile. 2, Kate ignored both Harry and Meghan and didn’t even look in their direction. The British Royals and British press are going to dump this all on Harry and Meghan for being emotional babies, having temper tantrums over not getting their way, oh and let’s not forget being rude to William and Kate.
Of course Harry is emotion. Even though he has probably wanted to break away since his mother’s death, he was still raised as a Prince of the Realm. He is the second son of the future King and was kept contained for half of his life because of his role as the spare to the Heir; a Heir who took his own sweet time getting married, and having his own little spares. Once George was born, Harry could finally breathe, but he was still considered a Prince of the Realm with responsibilities he’d embraced with his heart.
He may be moody, but he’s also got an emotional intelligence that William doesn’t have. I think he probably offers Meghan just as much emotional support as she does him. He seems very supportive of her and seems to deeply respect her.
I don’t think William and Kate have that “two-way street” thing that Harry and Meghan have. It’s just Kate doing all the heavy lifting and emotional labor.
No doubt Harry is privileged but the difference is he knows it. He was in the army and saw death and suffering. Why would he conceive Invictus if he had no empathy within him and only saw the negativity of his position? He is well aware he is luckier and more protected than his army mates , I recall he had somewhat of a quote on this but I cannot find it. This is the man who noticed Kate did not have an umbrella and he noticed the uneven steps in front of his wife. He is thoughtful and he cares. He is not an angry snob.
And he stood up for his wife (rightfully). That’s a good measure of a man. He is sick of the BS and he doesn’t have to put on a happy face for his family or the royal rota here. His moody face here is because of his family. His moody face at his friend’s wedding 2 years ago was because the press were intruding on him and Meghan at a private event. I’ve not seen his moody face elsewhere. He does not do that during his events and with his guests, unless a reporter triggers him. Whereas William is petulant and moody because he doesn’t get his way and he doesn’t want to do more than is needed. But that’s ok for William because he knows the heir is always protected and he milks it fully. Imagine growing up like this knowing that you will always be protected and prioritised.
This ’emotional’ tag onto the Suxxesses is simply another way to bring them down. The racist press and disgusting ‘royal’ family want to frame this family as an angry black woman instead of looking at themselves.
well, as a Canadian to British parents, I can concur that “showing emotion” is not appropriate in any situation, and you are ridiculed and torn apart for all of it. When you struggle, you are on your own. So, the family and reporters will constantly use “emotional” to dismiss them and their lives and to scoff at it. Trust me on this.
Well said @Alexandria.
I don’t think he was moody until his love, his wife (and then son) was treated like shit. If he appeared moody before, who the hell wants a pap stalking you at such a young age? Then, to have this underlying depresssion that storms like a beast when it triggers him, how would anybody react? I praise him for becoming the man he did, for changing his upbringing, for finding a strong woman to partner with and then having the courage to leave his “shelter” to find a new life, and especially having the foresight to know that this family is sinking in to a hole. That’s my opinion.
Exactly Kelly. —- with some of the comments on here today I’m waiting for one of them to tell us how MOODY he was walking behind his mother’s coffin. William walked too, but I think Harry has been honest about his self-destructive behavior and his struggles with his mental health. Harry has done the work and is a better person for it in my opinion. William I think has just stayed in his little protected royal life bubble and not dealt with his issues. Sometimes —- as I’m sure we all know —- anger is a good thing. Sometimes, it gets you up the hill. Team Harry.
I agree, Kelly. Wholeheartedly.
Harr has also spoken about having PTS from his time in Afghanistan. That’s a whole other level of emotional baggage to throw in the mix.
He said the military got all of that out of his system. His mom died when he was 11, then he had to start boarding school the same year and didn’t make many friends. Despite the wealth, he really hasn’t led the happiest life.
That comes across as a “both sides” comment to whitewash the Cambridges, specifically Kate.
The Middleton bot and troll armies are now doing the “Windsor men are bad”, and trying to paint Kate as struggling as much as Meghan… You are absolutely right, @bonobochick, full on whitewashing.
Yep. No one is fooled! It’s another gaslighting technique. Accuse the victim of doing the thing that is being done to victimize them, and then call them “emotional” or “irrational” for objecting.
We see you, Keen Krew.
Omg. I read that Kate was been weepy. I remember Harry said no one from his family has contacted him or Meghan. She is full of bs.
Harry wins for angriest. Meg wins most professional. KatieKeen and Sophie tie for snobbiest. Willilieaks for ass-iest, and Edward wins for least able to read the room…or nicest in the situation lol
I think Edward may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but he is smart enough to know that not talking to Harry and Meghan would look BAD. The side effect is, of course, that certain royal reporters can write, “See? The Royal Family still love the Sussexes despite their horrible behaviour and departure!”
You’d also think Sophie, having been in PR, would know the optics, too. But she froze them out. Guess (as a “married in) she’s not adverse to picking a side that will butter her bread.
Or Sophie knows what has really gone on behind closed doors?
Always an excuse for the Cambridges’ tacky behavior. Of course.
No swirlamad, I just don’t always believe everything I read. And Sophie is not a Cambridge!
@GloryS – or Sophie knows, since she’s no got to step up and work more with the Cambridges, that she needs to toe that line now. There is no middle ground with W&K – you’re either in or out, and we’ve all seen what happens when you displease billy and/or kate.
Someone said Edward is also into theater. Perhaps he’s just a decent human being who genuinely likes Meghan.
I can imagine him asking her about her visit to the national theatre earlier in the week. Or just trying to be kind in the face of everyone else icing her out. They can’t do anything to him so he is free to be friendly.
Maybe he’s just a nice guy?
Yes, Kate was too tired to turn her head toward Harry and Meg and nod in acknowledgement or crack a smile. That’s what happens when you single-handedly carry the Royal family.
Maybe it was the botox keeping her from turning.
@Ali …or she’s had her neck pulled so tight that if she turns her head, it’ll fall off
It must be very difficult for women to age in the public eye.
Which makes me respect Camilla all the more for choosing to age gracefully as if she was not in the public eye.
Lol
Harry is not always pro at hiding his feelings on his face, and I’m here for it. I still can’t get over how lovely Meghan looked in those videos. She is SUCH a professional, and they’re going to regret letting them (forcing them to) walk away.
Will looked weirdly dull even for him during this. He ALMOST looked like someone had put him in his place a bit, but we know that doesn’t seem to happen.
I agree with the theories that Harry brought receipts to his Granny and she finally laid into William and Kate. I think she and Charles just severely underestimated/didn’t fully understand the additional layers of racist bull crap heaped on Harry and Meghan, and intervene for that reason. I also think they were willing not to entertain the idea that William is responsible for the leaks to the extent that he was. And god knows what other stuff he got up to privately to hurt Meghan and Harry.
So I think Willnot finally got a talking to.
I don’t think anything is settled.
I’m here for this theory.
@Erinn I nearly always agree with your comments but sadly I can’t agree that they will regret letting Meghan go.
This is a sweeping statement but Posh British society generally doesn’t appreciate and accept “outsiders”. It doesn’t matter how polished, how educated, how brilliant, talented, professional etc you are you will still find yourself up against the “you’re just not our kind, dear” mentality.
You can be the classiest person in a situation (like Meghan was yesterday) and still be sneered at for your lower class status.
The irony is astounding.
Harry and Meghan clearly recognized it wasn’t ever going to change and made the decision to get out. I doubt they will ever acknowledge what Meghan could have delivered.
Unfotunately, Your Cousin Vinny, I agree. I think there is probably a huge sigh of relief today amongst most of Harry’s family that the Sussexes are a thing of the past. Now they can relax and get on with business as usual. Sad to all of us — and probably extremely painful to Harry — but not that big a deal to most of them. There’s been this huge wall of silence towards and non-inclusion of Meghan from almost all of them from the moment Meghan came on the scene. And nothing that has gone down seems to have changed that.
I think Charles has the sense to regret they’re walking away, though he may be the only one. Have said before, I think he knows deep down Harry’s his true successor when it comes to the work, and respects Meghan’s accomplishments. I don’t buy that Charles is the same jealous guy he was in the Diana years. He’s got his legacy, he’ll soon be king, and knew he needed them to support his monarchy, because Will and Kate do very little, and that little, not well.
So I really don’t get why he didn’t do more publicly to support them, counteract the repulsive narratives in the press, not to mention set the tone within the RF and reign in the obnoxious behavior of the family members on display as early as the wedding.
Maybe he thinks there will be time later to address all of this, when he’s close to the throne. But if so, he’s going to find that ship has sailed, both in terms of any possibility of Harry and Meghan returning, and especially in terms of repairing the exceptionally bad picture the RF has now presented to the world. They’ve shown their asses, and intelligent people won’t forget.
Yeah, in different ways I was happy to see Harry look displeased at the nonsense, and Meghan look unphased. Don’t wish this on them at all, of course, but it was nice to both see he thinks it’s nonsense and she won’t let them see her upset, if that makes sense.
Kate in her ugly coat dress.
And those buttons, WTF will all the buttons? Was their an enormous button manufacturer that held a fire sale, so Lazy Krazy ran down to buy ALL of their buttons?
And her Russell Stover hat. lol
LOL
I know —- the Valentine Day box.
“Kate in her ugly coat dress.”
Cathy Cambridge knows what her stans want to see. The Cathy Stans want to see her decked out every day in a different version of what she wore to the 2020 Commonwealth Service. Unable is dressing for her public.
Looking like a giant middle aged Madame Alexander doll. All she needs is a muff.
I swear I saw a muff but I must have hallucinated it
@gatorlover – she has definitely worn a muff before with similar style dresses, so that’s probably what’s in your mind.
OMG I just can’t unsee that now.
Some serious sh!t has gone down to be sure not just with the Cambridges but with Chuck and TQ. Sides have been taken – history will show which side was the ‘right’ one as the Cambridges has been up to some seriously shady sh!t that I have no doubt will find its way into the public domain at some point. Several journo’s in the know have said as much – they can’t talk about it due to legal restrictions but its obvs that it has to do with the tabloid lawsuit.
I have heard the same as well. I heard if the reason for the rift gets out everyone would sympathize with Harry and Meghan.
Ooooooh, so perhaps the lawsuit would reveal what the Cambridges did? That would be so satisfying.
And of course the Fail had an article photo tracing the “cooling” between Meg and Kate. Lol… it’s the brothers that are beefing. If Kate has changed it’s cause she’s upset over losing Harry as a buffer/scapegoat.
Also I vote Charles The most Useless
I think Charles is playing both sides against the middle, if you know what I mean. He is just waiting to be King. I don’t think he cares about anything else.
+1, where is he in all of this? IMO his motto must be divide and conquer.
Charles is a true narcissist.
I truly he was a part of the smearing for a little while but stepped back then things got out of control. I think he let the brothers make a mess of it and then is probably planning to swoop in and “fix” everything in a year when the situation cools down.
Charles showed us who he is with his treatment of Diana. He is useless and complicit and egocentric to the point of damaging without care his sons.
i always try to remember when I judge actions of the future Charles III that the DM commentariat (which carries weight as it drives the British Tabloid Media) do not want a Charles III and/or Queen/Princess Consort Camilla. The DM Commentariat want the throne to go directly to Cain & Unable.
I know this will never happen as it cannot happen under British Law but there is large portion of the UK (read English) tabloid reading public that favor this scenario. The Daily Mail has no problem with this delusional mentality and is actually whipping this horse with all the energy it has to drive click$ for revenue.
We must remember this is a PR game played by all people in power. A USA president and presidential family only has to play the game for 8 years at the most and then the game re-sets with fresh new players and old the old mistakes by the old players is forgotten.
The British Royal family has been plating this game with limited re-sets since the Norman Conquest of 1066.
Charles sikked his good friends like Penny Junor on Diana, calling her unstable and mentally ill in public. All for daring to be upset about him screwing around on her. I have no doubt he would go after Harry, Meghan or anyone else who got in his way.
My guess is that he already didn’t want to be there and then W&K(especially Kate, who he’s defended before) acted an ass in public for the world to see. Another straw on the camel’s already broken back.
Well, the Queen had told everyone and had it leaked to the public that she expected everyone in family to play nice. I find it extremely interesting — within the power structure of the SENIOR royals —- that William and Kate felt strong enough to ignore the Queen’s command and not play nice. We’re not talking even several hours here of putting on a show here. We’re talking maybe 5-10 minutes before ceremony began and during which the Cambridge’s put on quite a performance and publicly jerked Harry’s chain as hard as they could.
Although it seems pretty clear that Kate ignored M&H, I have to say that William looked the most miserable of the four. He had that tight lipped expression – that we often see on him – throughout the whole period he was on camera.
Why is ET CAnada being credited for the lip reading? I thought it was the Telegraph who hired a lip reader?
Maybe the lip reader who specializes reading royal lips is on the payroll of both media companies??? LOL!
Nah, ET Canada is too cheap for that. They just regurgitated what the Telegraph said.
Kate just looks so, so worn out all the time. Comparing her look to Meghan’s absolutely glowing face makes me feel sorry for her in a way. She always looks like she’s putting it on and that life isn’t much fun for her.
Not that I feel bad for her really, she made her choices and is living with them. But it’s clear she’s not happy or particularly healthy in her relationships or outlook.
She looks perfectly fine when she’s out interacting with people and there’s plenty of video of she and William laughing and looking happy in each other’s company. I’m not a Kate fan but the narrative that she’s miserable just seems farfetched.
Well said MaryContrary -people have a habit of seeing what they want to see and what fits their narrative.
Anyone see the photo of Zara at the Races in a very buttony coat – she looked fabulous!
I agree with you Hellohello. She has moments of smiling, but her resting face is… defeated. On the one hand I can’t feel too sorry for her as I believe her to be a participant in this, even if only passively, but on the other hand, she’s still a human, and we all make bad choices sometimes. Her original bad choice was marrying Will.
If she had a better marriage/was in better control of herself and didn’t need to rely on her mother she could have defended Harry and Meghan, pushes back against Willy’s stupid plans. She had to have known of these as they occurred.
Meghan is way more gracious than I ever will be. Good on Edward for acting like a human being. The other “royals” can f**k off.
Agreed on both counts.
And Sophie did not engage with them either, which I found odd. I didn’t know she was playing for the other team, they should all act as they are Switzerland!
I’m sure in Sophie’s mind she’s supporting the Queen and that she sees their leaving as a betrayal to her.
“Sophie and Edward were happily chatting with Harry and Meghan and made a point of being very inclusive” Exactly – Sophie did not even acknowledge them. Edward was the only one who seemed to want to make them feel welcome. He looked so smiley and happy. I think I have a new favorite senior royal hahaha
@MaryContrary: If being spectacularly rude to a member of the family in public is supporting the Queen, they’re in trouble.
Supposedly there is lots of video of Sophie and Edward talking with H&M. And it does look like she spoke with them briefly in one of the photos from an earlier post.
And yet several reports, including this Nicholl’s article take pains to say that Sophie did engage with the Sussexes before the arrival of the Cambridge’s. Did anyone see this on video? I sure didn’t see her look there way at all. Like Kate she made a glaring effort to never turn her head in the Sussexes direction.
I love how Meghan is unbothered by it all…at least that’s the way she made it look…which is beyond cool. My face always betrays me.
I was looking at photos of Meghan and Kate through the last couple of years (an article about how they were friends then it went south) and I have to say, Meghan pulled off Royal modern chic beautifully. I love her style.
Kate is pretty and polished but stuck in the past. Snooze fest.
Harry’s face walking out says so much. He didn’t look that way walking in. He looks tense, yes, but also ticked, which I think was aimed at the Cambridges and their petty behavior.
I love how people are falling over themselves to excuse that petty behavior too. William at LEAST said hello. Kate couldn’t even do that. There is no excuse for that. None. And any excuse the press tries to give makes them look worse – they couldn’t say hi, they were in church! Kate is angry Harry is no longer the third wheel! etc.
I’m leaning in hard now to the theory that H&M were somehow behind W&K not being part of the procession. I’m not saying Harry out and out said “if we cant walk in they shouldn’t either,” but that someone realized how bad the optics were, or the Queen wanted to slap the Cambridges down for some reason (ahem Willileaks) – because it was definitely a slap. Anyway whatever it was, William might not have actually cared all that much, but Kate did and was pissed. To me that would explain why William at least said hi (because there are significant problems there, but not necessarily something that came up yesterday) and why Kate didn’t, because she was pissed at being forced to sit before the queen walked in.
Just my Tinfoil Tiara Theory of the hour. I’ll have another one shortly.
Becks1, you are spot on!! Lazy Krazy has always been angry that Meghan has consistently out-shined, out-worked, speaks brilliantly in public, created meaningful charities and programs since before the wedding, worked while she was pregnancy and my favorite, is that Meghan was invited to Sandringham before H & M were married where as Lazy Krazy was NOT extended an invitation until she and Wil were married. I know that TQ has totally dropped the ball, but it was nice that she invited Meghan on that tour via the train and insisted that Meghan get in the car first. I can assure you that Will heard an earful that night and the subsequent night after for quite a while!
Oh, you better believe Kate and the Midds have been keeping tabs. Betty showed her Petty side again by using Duchess Meghan with that train ride when she had not extended the same to the ffq. Why pit them against each other? Sit down with Will and Kate and let them know what is expected of them in an adult, civilized fashion. Perhaps, just maybe, your shaky institution will survive.
And in Kate’s mind, she had to literally work at it 5 times as long to get Big Blue. Meghan got Harry down the aisle and had a child with him within 2 years. That already was the beginning of the end for Meghan in Unable’s mind.
Kate’s probably been extra mad this whole weekend after those H&M photos, lol. Plus H&M going to church with the queen too? And not just for Christmas or Balmoral? Even if it wasn’t photo-opped it was still widely reported. So I’m not surprised Keen didn’t have much to say to Meghan or Harry.
Doesn’t it also seem, in retrospect, that the Queen didn’t start rewarding Kate until all the Rosebush stories started appearing? Since then, William, the Queen, and the RR have slobbered all over her. I think she had William and the Firm by the balls there for awhile. However, time has past and she might be loosing a bit of the upper hand.
I wonder if Kate got tipped off to Meghan’s school visit. One of those gloriously cheeky kids quoted that when they saw all the hair they thought it was Kate but were stoked that it was Meghan.
So between that, the viral sensation it became, Aker being all kinds of adorable and also being adorable in his interview that even Piss Morgan had to shut up for a minute, that PICTURE and Kate’s patrons in trouble or flat out closing down, yeah, she salty and knows that another shoe is about to drop and it will not be about Rose trimming.
I am so disappointed as I was looking forward to the dissertation on Rose Trimming.
I think that young lady’s comments being picked up by the BBC ticked off Kate and Carole. Has there been any positive stories about Kate being nice in school? I only heard mean girl stories about her which were scrubbed off from the net. Or her mooning the boys in school all the time (this probably explains her flashy royal incidents). The interesting one was Kate kept copying somebody else’s homework. Or her changing schools so that she could bump into William. She only sounds desperate, dumb and immature. If so she deserves the petulant King.
I hope at some point Harry has spoken to Kate on how Meghan has been treated by then after he was loving and welcoming towards her.
My eyes are pretty good and I didn’t see Sophie say a word to either Meghan or Harry. Edward seemed polite and chatty with both of them. William and Kate came in and took their places in the row in front of the Sussexes and the Wessexes. William seemed to barely acknowledge the Sussexes presence. Meghan greeted them both. Kate totally iced her out, wouldn’t even turn around and acknowledge her presence. Meghan was polite and gracious to everyone. Kate looked like a sullen brat.
What really intrigued me was, why were Kate and William bumped from the procession at the last minute, after the order of service was already printed? Somebody was being put in their place. If the Queen wanted to really humiliate Harry and Meghan, she could have placed them at the very end of the procession, behind Kate and William. Instead, all four were bounced. Maybe Liz had finally had enough of the intrafraternal shenanigans and sent them all to the sandbox.
If Harry & Megan had been included in the procession they would always have been behind Kate & William. The procession goes in Order of Precedence. The Queen, Prince of Wales & Duchess of Cornwall, The Cambridges and then the Sussexes. The fact that the Cambridges were originally meant to be in the procession and then were bounced means that something major went on behind the scenes. These things, once set in place are almost never changed.
Right, H&M walking in behind W&K would have been normal (like they have done the past two years.) But like you said, the fact that the Cambridges were cut last minute is significant.
I thought (the normal) Procession went lesser to highest rank (with Petty Betty brining up the rear post, always coming in last, as “most important person). So it would be: H&M, then W&K, then C&C, then PBetty. Am I wrong?
Yes, the Queen walks in first and the other senior royals (or whoever) walk behind her. I’m only sure of that bc I saw a picture of the program, lol. And in the shot where Meghan is curtseying to Charles, the queen is ahead of him.
@(TheOG) jan90067 – I am with you as I always that QEII is the last to arrive and the first to leave with the exception of weddings. I guess the Commonwealth Service is different for some reason. Hopefully a knowledgeable Brit will enlighten all us savages Yanks on arrival & departure protocol of the BRF.
so as I understand it, the queen IS the last to arrive, that’s why the other royals (in this case just Charles and Camilla) wait around for her at the church entrance.
then as they process in, it makes sense for the queen to go first – the crown goes first, and the “lessers” follow behind. It gives people a better view of the queen, and the queen can go straight to her seat without waiting for Charles to get out of her way. Same thing when leaving, she exits first and the others have to wait for her.
I don’t know what the actual rules are, but that’s why it makes sense in my head.
I wonder if it could have been the negative comment on MSNBC about Meghan which generated a feud between Harry and William the Terrible. WtT refusing to defend Meghan in the press.
Mr. Petty and Ms. Bitchy win the prize for most negative, tyrannical. 🙂 Harry’s anger is understandable, normal reaction to abuse. Meghan smiling, remaining strong and supportive of a good man. (Yes, I am biased for good reason. 🙂
What was the Negative comment on MSNBC and who made it?
A former royal reporter grasping for relevance said Meghan was five ticks up from the trailer park. The interview quickly ended.
It was insane! Some old petty biddy who said she worked for Vanity Fair travel said that Meghan was “5 steps from trailer trash” and that she gave Kate a knife for christmas?!?
The interviewer cut her off immediately and Vanity Fair had to issue a statement that she hasn’t contributred to their magazine since 2018, and she was never a full time employee. . .
The news station did confirm Meghan gave Kate a knife though. The reporter said it. Maybe it was a butter knife? A letter opener?
Meghan didn’t give her a knife for Christmas ( I heard she gave her a journal) the knife thing was from a sketch the BBC ran last year. It was highly racist.
We’ve heard before that Kate likes cooking, right? Fancy kitchen knives are a lovely present for a keen cook.
@DD, that is nonsensical. Who confirmed that? The anchor said that is not confirmed. Who gives people knives unless they’re a serious cook or it’s on a bridal registry? Got a nice set of Wusthofs for my wedding. Sorry, that lady was pure poison and lies.
@DD is trolling with some noise.
Meghan was the most poised and professional, bless her. Harry was plain pissed. William was constipated, as usual. Kate was just butchy for no reason, it seems. Bless Edward, he seems so kind and caring.
Did Sophie talk to Meghan? A clip I saw showed them looking at each other, then Meghan looked at her program and Sophie either looked away or down. I was hoping Sophie would be an ally for Meghan, seemed like they had a lot in common. If this is how Kate acts in public imagine how she is behind closed doors. I might be wrong but I believe Kate, Sophie and others were trying to mean girl Meghan behind closed doors. Sooner of later the truth will come out.
I saw KatieKeen and Sophie talking, but neither included Meghan…not that I could see. Perhaps Meghan tried to *join* the convo and was frozen out/ignored?, hence the looking at her program.
There IS a picture out there where it does look like Sophie & Meghan are looking at each other, and possibly exchanging brief conversation. It wasn’t anything near the little gossip fest Sophie and Kate had, though. It’s hard to tell if it was just a glance or they actually spoke to each other. Regardless, Sophie certainly didn’t show the friendliness that Edward did.
Neither Sophie nor Kate acknowledged the Sussexes. It’s weird reading media accounts claiming the opposite.
I can’t help but see a form of, let’s call it karmic cycle in this family. Not saying that Harry is Margaret but if she had more stamina and wasn’t as tied up with security of priviledged life, her choices and life could have been different. It’s like they’ve never learned anything from the history of family dynamics and are now finally having to face them. This is a toxic family, wrapped in their fake “sense of duty” and protocol. I can’t even imagine their private life but it looks utterly unhealthy. The only reason I see for them being so petty is just pure jealousy.
Insightful comment. They are practically born knowing what number they are in the line of succession because it’s reinforced by their parents, the courtiers, the curtseying, the order they walk into a church, etc. It must affect them in ways we cannot comprehend.
Kate walked into that church looking like she was ready to spit nails. Meghan isn’t stupid, she must have noticed how sour Kate looked. I wonder if she set Kate up by deliberately being charming to Kate to provoke her into being a bitch in front of the whole church. It’s delicious to think maybe Meghan set a trap for Kate and Kate walked right into it.
I know I should find that petty if she did, but it would be *so* deliciously petty.
I agree they with the exception of Meghan and Edward behaved bad and childish. How can you be a good diplomat if u cant put on a fake face for a few minutes.
To me Kate looked like she had had an argument with her husband in the car on the way over. Or even like she had been fighting with him since she saw the umbrella photos. She was fine later in the day at the event she did by herself…
I thought that too, but then it didn’t keep her from being pleasant to Sophie, only Harry and Meghan. And she was talking to William. I think Kate was pissed at being told that they wouldn’t be in the procession at the last minute. She decided to take it out on them, but really it was the queen or Charles decision to sit them down, not H&M.
The BRF are a bunch of petty assholes , excluding Meghan and Harry.
I’m so happy so see those pics of Meghan looking beautiful and radiant and Kate looks Like her face is melting.
That last photo is entertaining in the sense of you can see that the BRF is used to the pageantry and the crowds whereas Meghan is used to knowing where the camera is.
Just a random observation that I’ve noticed in photos more than once. Before anyone jumps on me for an imaginary implied criticism, there is none.
Meghan is aware of the cameras and she has a good game face. One of the RRs commented on that around the time of the South Africa tour/lawsuit/Harry’s statement – that Meghan would sit there, waiting to give a speech or whatever, and she would have that very serene expression on her face or give a slight smile to the cameras or something, while Harry would just glare at the reporters. And someone else said that….I think it was one of the photographers, but could be wrong – that she made their job easier because she looked at them and smiled when arriving at events, or would sort of station herself so they could get a good picture of her outfit, stuff like that.
I don’t think any of that is criticism, it shows that Meghan understands some aspects of royal life better than the royals.
Diana 100% understood all of this too!
It’s a bit like Stage Actor vs Film Actor, isn’t it?
Meghan understands being in front of the camera in a public way – that was her job. She was trained for it. Hollywood training (and I don’t mean this in a bad way – just the opposite) where she had to be gracious and pleasant no matter who interviewed her and no matter what her co-stars did or said. Walking into interviews where you are viewed as a piece of meat but have to keep the smile on and do it all over again the next day.
Meanwhile, Harry was just born into privilege. He has anger towards the media (rightfully so). He knows the tabloids are buzzards waiting around for him to fall.
Going forward, if Harry could pick up some of Meghan’s serenity that would be good for him. Don’t give them anything to latch onto. Without the backstabbing of his family I hope this happens for him.
They should’ve loved having an actress in the family rather than people acting like it was the Victorian era and an actress was one step up from a courtesan. Royals are supposed to have game face. Shouldn’t matter if you’re tired or PMSing or bored or having a bad day. You suck it up for an hour or two at most. Look like you’re glad to be there and all the people and info are so interesting. That’s the whole bread and butter. You could count on someone who previously got paid to do just that and for a lot longer. She could’ve given some of them some lessons. Plus she actually DID seem engaged in so many of these things.
@Becks1 – possibly more than one person said it, but a commenter here some time back who was in the (newspaper) business did say that, that the photogs really liked Meghan because she made sure they were able to get the shots they needed.
I think when your doing an engagement like, every single movement is a still image. One wrong move or tiny expression like a frown and that’s what will be captured, used and talked about. Meghan is always prepared, she has a ‘ready for it’ resting face. Kate understands too, but she tends to be all over the place and drops her focus so she goes from manic smiling to looking like she’s chewing a wasp.
That is such an old tired criticism. Of course she knows where the cameras are, they’re right in front of her face. And the only pictures we see are the ones published with her full face. Those probably sell the best.
I think it’s just really sad that it’s come to this…what a force they would ve been for the Royal family in the UK going forward.. ..it’s a real loss for th country and the monarchy.
“She, Harry and William were once such a happy trio, she thinks what has happened is all very sad.”
If this is true Kate sounds like an ex-girlfriend who is mad that her ex now has a new partner. This isn’t normal.
She’s immature. Infantile. Coddled by her mum. Brought up to be a Stepford wife.
I think that Kate just flat out saw Meghan as a threat to her popularity. From what I read, she was cool with Chelsy so it sounds like she would have made more of an effort with her than she did with Meghan.
Really, I heard the opposite: that Kate never cared for Chelsy. I also read that some of the negative media attention Chelsy got for being a party girl came from the Middletons, as Kate was actually the bigger partier of the two but got portrayed as a more serious and stable choice for a partner.
The tabloids are pushing this narrative of harry “fuming” using those two pictures when it was NormalBill and Dolittle who had a smug grumpy attitude throughout the service. This is also to shift the focus from them for being rude to the Sussexs.
Sophie also had that butchy face probably knowing she’ll be thrown under the bus along with her kids to prop up KeenKueen & NormalBill!
If I was the York girls, I’d be avoiding the toxic duo, too. I’m sure they’re next on the list. Kate is going to need someone to tell what to do and it looks like Sophie is positioning herself to be Kate’s future ass-kisser.
Honestly just sad all around, Diana would be devastated. Harry and Meghan deserve to be happy. I think Meghan has made Harry happy, he’s been thru so much heartbreak during his life. AGAIN DIANA WOULD BE DEVASTATED
IMO Diana would have welcome Meghan with open arms and spoken up about their treatment.
and would have correctly and expertly managed Pappy Markle.
Or Diana might have been jealous
I agree that Diana could have been jealous of Meghan, but she also wouldn’t of stood by and watch that family treat harry like this. She would have been devastated at what he’s been going through.
If Diana had been alive, William would not have turned out the way he did. Perhaps he would have at least grown up with some amount of empathy towards others. Diana bore the brunt of the exact attitude William is displaying towards everyone else–that atrocious, imperious attitude where he’s the most important person and everything he does and says is acceptable, even when it isn’t. She would have nipped his need for constant adulation at the direct expense of others in the bud, probably.
Kate loved them as a trio
What passive aggressive shade at Harry’s wife and mother of his child, yes why couldn’t u just be single and play the role I want u to play? Jesus could u be any more selfish?
I do not think Kate was salty. She looks tired.
So sick of that narrative, “she’s just tired.” FROM WHAT?? Laying on the couch while the nannies run after the kids? Maybe, having to lift a fork after the chefs prepare the meals? Be more specific to justify your claims. smh
Bamaborn, though I tend to agree, clearly you have NO idea how much the forks at KP weigh! A snack can send one to the showers in sweaty exhaustion.
She looks tired aka smokes too much and eats too few
For a bum-flashing lazybones Keen sure has a high opinion of herself.
ETA: “they were such a happy trio” GIRL Harry does not exist to pander to your vanity. He has his own family.
I love the photo where Harry looks like an angry, red-headed panther ready to rip out a throat!
I did not expect Sophie to be such a bitch. She always seemed to be the fit in where She can type, but being an iceberg to H&M Was not right.
So, Sophie is canaceled.
Definitely. Camelia and Sophie have some female related causes between them. But they are complicit in this bullying. All of them are disappointing!
William looked constipated and just generally tightly wound throughout. Yes, I’m sure Harry is pissed, and he has good reason to be. Kate was ungracious, Sophie even more so. Edward was nice. Kate’s behaviour given her future role was very rude and childish. Oh, and Meghan looks ten years younger, and Kate ten years older.
I also said Wills looked constipated (as usual). They all need some prune juice.
I thought Megan was delighted to see Prince Charles, Harry lm not too sure, it looked like Camilla smiled at both of them but both Harry and Megan lowered her heads….lm sure CamIlia is upset with them both for leaving as Charles seems to doth on them both and probably she sees how it’s affecting him as for De other two , l think William looked Def subdued but his lovely wife that’s another story ! Behaviour was very Un Kate normally she puts on De Middleton face for everything but not today so def something has gone down, interesting they met de Queen on Sunday and shortly after procession was changed soooo unLizzie !!!!
Had he really doted on them he would have done something to pull the press back from smearing his daughter in law, especially when she was pregnant with her first child.
Yes, but instead the palace denied Kate’s botox/hair extensions and Andrew’s having met Virginia with lies. The vicious lies that Meghan was faking her pregnancy and that she lied in a Commonwealth speech were met with silence.
This!
Imma say it again, Katie Keen has ‘resting thunder face’ down.
Having a RBF does not mean you can be rude. It just means you look unapproachable or upset. I have the same problem but hell I can be civil and friendly to my in law, smile and say hello. And then go back to my RBF.
Kate has always been a mean girl and I find it hilarious most are now realising that. Seems people forgot about The Long Wait aka The Dating On and Off, Cheating Years.
Meghan never stood a chance.
Why is people saying Harry brought reciepts and that’s why they’re angry, if that was the case wouldn’t both Harry AND Meghan look angry, and wouldn’t William and Kate looks sorry for doing such a thing. People are making things up to justify WK petulant behaviour. They were rude, hell they never treated Pedo Andy like that, what has Meghan done to deserve this, especially since she spent all this year across the pond??!! NOTHING!! I swear I have seen mothers of victims of murders behave better to their child’s killer. They think they can walk on water. And I hope next time paper-thin-lips woman opens her tiny mouth on post partum depression she gets slapped. Maybe the British people are okay with being blind, but the rest of the Commonwealth is not!! And those saying KP will reprimand them for this behaviour, I think you give your royal highness too much credit, she is old and tired and doesn’t care, hell she probably thinks this is noble of William and what a fantastic job he did of picking a woman.
“Why is people saying Harry brought reciepts and that’s why they’re angry, if that was the case wouldn’t both Harry AND Meghan look angry, and wouldn’t William and Kate looks sorry for doing such a thing.”
I don’t know if Harry brought the receipts or not, but I hope he did to justify to the queen and Charles the reasons why he decided to leave. Meghan didn’t look angry because she knew after that service she was out that bitch for good, so she smiled and killed them with kindness. William and Kate aren’t sorry because they are ruthless.
Bullies get mad when you refuse to play their ridiculous games, the games made in their favor only they can possibly win. Harry refuses to play. Only neandrathals think they are better than someone else because their higher lot in life and withhold common courtesy. Kate and William need to go back to their caves.
Meghan is a professional. She sized up the situation and put on a charming face to make William and Kate look like spoiled brats in comparison. Although Harry did look like he was ready to punch somebody out. The tension in that church must have been thick enough to slice through with a machete.
Kate looks uncomfortable. It’s probably really hard to look Harry and especially Meghan in the eye after everything that’s happened. Like, she can’t look at them. She can’t face the music. It’s easier to pretend to be angry and make it seem like she’s a wounded party, which she probably is to an extent, than to actually try to unpack what has happened and atone for it. And if this is her first time seeing Harry? It’s probably really awkward on top of it. They should have all gotten together and game planned the entrance, so as to not make this such a catastrophe. Meghan is the only one professionally trained to fake emotion. She knew that looking gracious and happy was a much better play than looking bitter and constipated. Kate looks so bad here. She should have faked an illness rather than look so sullen.
She’s playing the, you’re not the victim I am, game. Come on, karma.
How is Kate a wounded party in any way? The press has been stealing Meghan’s accomplishments and style, and even her glowing skin, for months, and attributing them to Kate, who frankly looks like oatmeal beside Meghan. Wounded party?
Of course shes the victim and wounded party. Look at ALL the WORK people expect now! Like, maybe more than once a week! Impossible expectations! /s
From the latest batch of trolls and media minions, she’s the suffering one.
@kellebelle, I think you misunder-read what Originaltessa wrote.
Ahh, gotcha. I see what you mean. Now she’ll have to actually do some work with substance (and tangible results), other than buying books, gardening and bearing heirs.
Yes wounded animal theatrics. Sometimes people act that way because deep down they know they’re guilty. The only emotion they can project is anger because they are angry they can’t suppress the guilt. Or they are angry that the other party caused them to act in this way. It’s all your fault I have to be this way! It’s you!
Sorry, don’t think Kate feels the slightest guilt, or shame, for that matter. She was brought up and worked the last 20 years with the single goal of being in her current position, and she’s angry that she’s not getting what’s she thinks is her due. Some woman who’s been in the family just two years is (somehow) responsible for she (her?) and Will being kicked out of the royal procession. And that’s on top of Meghan’s huge PR impact returning to the UK, pulling attention from a dismal Ireland tour, among other things.
She’s acting like a victim because she BELIEVES she’s a victim.
The Wessexes were chatty and supportive? No. Edward was. Sophie was ice cold and didn’t give Meghan and Harry the time of day.
After Meghan was snubbed Harry said something and did a head flick that seemed to me to say ‘let’s go straight away’ lol. He seemed pissed.
I think the display by the family was SO unprofessional all around. Everyone except a few looked so moody for what is meant to be a happy occasion.
They call it the Firm but this was a business fail& really took away from the event. The Queen/whoever is in charge really should have been knocking heads together a long time ago.
And nice fan fiction from Katie Nicholl.
This was a service for the Commonwealth. The Commonwealth wants Meghan on the job. Meghan showed up and did a spectacular job paying homage to the Commonwealth.
Meghan was the only one (other than maybe Charles & Camilla) who acted as if they really wanted to be there and were honored to be able to attend such an event in an official capacity.
Yeah I think the obvious snubbing of Meghan pissed him off cause he was fine before then. I think he expected them to at least act civil in public but he was expecting too much.
The pictures are really miss leading. If you watch the actual footage of the ceremony it doesn’t come off the same. The Sussex’s didn’t look bothered by the Cambridge’s and the same is true of the reverse. I do believe there was drama behind the scenes but the footage shows they handled things well. This one is purely media hype and BS. The photos are same blank faces the Royals usually have and Meghan is glowing as usual….because she knows life is much better outside of that family. The rest don’t because of birth and Kate because she spent her young adult life waiting instead of enjoying
I read somewhere on Twitter (so take it huge amount of salt), that H&M were never supposed to be in the procession and were to be seated just as they were next to E&S. It was Charles who ordered W&C out of the procession for some reason. Maybe as a flex to warn FFK William to shut it.
Kate is all about the status. She apparently didn’t show up to Lady Gabriella’s wedding because William wasn’t there and she would have to curtsey to all including E&B. Remember, all the Midds were there.
She was also supposed to walk behind Harry at last year’s ANZAC day into the church but didn’t.
Only when she is with William does she retain his rank if I recall correctly.
There’s always been this flex among the Keen Stans that Meghan has to or will have to curtsey to Kate.
Maybe Charles decided that this wasn’t the time to push it.
I don’t think H&M were ever supposed to walk in the procession – I feel like we heard that rumor a while back, but could be wrong. but even if it was decided last week, the W/K change is the big deal bc that was obviously last minute and they were not happy about it. Interesting that the rumors are that it was Charles.
Of course it was Charles and I said so yesterday. He is the only person who can put William in his place. Charles is the de facto king.
And I wouldn’t be surprised if he made that decision WELL before the print deadline, but kept it to himself…ergo, the supposed last minute smack-down piques everyone’s curiosity even more so. “How bad could it have been to make a post-print change?!?!”
Yes, believe it was Charles who snapped the Keens plans into. When he looked specifically for Duchess Meghan and she smiled and curtsed to him, that was definitely a telling moment to me.
I think Harry is most disappointed in Kate. As people who were outside said, Kate went out of her way to wave to onlookers upon entering and exiting WA. She was also “cheery” talking to dignitaries and flower girls. It was only when she was near Harry and Meghan that she was salty. She clearly did not want to turn around. When Sophie leaned in to talk to her William had to get her attention to turn around. I had my doubts about her wanting star power, thinking she just wanted to home with the kids. Not any longer. She wants the attention that she feels Meghan gets. Unfortunately she doesn’t have the skills or the “it” factor to get it. Just being married to William or the FFQ doesn’t cut it in the real world.
Rude-gate is now a two day story due to the petty Cambridges. The change of narrative by the press proves they are scared of the perception outside of the UK and fear that the Sussexes will set up a rival court. Pathetic.
Is the press changing their tune and siding with the Sussexes?
New passive-agressive excuses for the Cambridge rudeness, mostly… but they’re not ignoring it as they would before.
The Sussexes are definitely setting up a rival court and I love that. Moreover, I think the rival court may outlast the actual British monarchy. Harry and Meghan’s line could be superstars in North America and global ambassadors, and will probably give the Royal Family a shine for generations that it wouldn’t have otherwise, because they will be famous for being descended from that family when the majority of the planet no longer gives a s–t about them.
Kate most definitely wins the prize for saltiest. I’m convinced Meghan’s weekend long amazing press did a number on Kate. Nobody cared about her green Ireland clothes or her tour. Instead, all eyes were on Meghan looking trim, radiant, sexy, and confident. There were no boo’s or rioting. Instead, the vile BM couldn’t even look away. She wore amazing clothes. We got a now iconic photo of H&M looking in love. We saw Meghan with school kids who were clearly in awe of her. Meghan elicited 48 hours of nonstop magic that Kate could never dream of conjuring up. I believe Kate’s ego took a massive hit with their visit and she showed it in the church.
BINGO.
There was apparently a booer on the blue dress night but he was a lone voice shouting into rain and likely drowned out by the camera flashers,
Probably Piers Morgan.
Yup and her and Will being kicked out of the procession probably only pissed her off more cause at least then she would’ve had SOMETHING to lord over Meghan after her and Harry’s amazing tour.
Perfectly stated!
Now this theory makes sense. I bet it will be a while before we see Kate in a turquoise outfit again:)
This. I honestly don’t think Will cared much about being out of the procession. He was salty about having to do his duties instead of playing in the rose bushes. Kate, on the other hand, clearly loves her status and was the saltiest of them all. I’ll throw my tin foil tiara on here and say that I think W&K had a row before this event, too.
I opt for this theory. Jealous Kate probably also fought with William in the car about this but William maybe did not give a damn as much as she did. Perhaps both were unhappy but Kate was raging with jealousy. She skips events where she has to curtsey to anyone else besides the Queen. She is all about the status. Queen Bee indeed. Damn I never comment this much on Kate, the rudeness just made me mad.
Thumbs up on this one. Throw in the fact that Meghan and Harry were clearly coordinating their outfits and I think it sent old girl right over the edge. Old girl and her mom and sister too.
Perfect summary L84Tea regarding those two boors. The sourpuss are not ready for the world stage, when compared to their counterparts. Even the other minor European royalties are way ahead of the Lamebridge.
Absolutely. The European royals all run circles around her. Mary, Maxima, Letizia, Victoria…those ladies work!
^This. Kate’s fragile ego took a pounding after seeing how Meghan swept in on her weekend of glory and the bitterness and rivalry just was too much for her to contain when they were in each other’s presence. And given her competitiveness with other women, she does not like to be left in the dust. So l hereby nominate Salty Kate as the saltiest of them all.
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I think Cain and Unable got some sort of severe dressing down from future Charles III. Cain just shook it off to the best of his ability as he has done before but Unable was clearly rattle.
Interesting…Meghan was the only one to curtsey to the Queen in the cathedral – which means the others had seen Q earlier in the day – possibly for the dressing down. I’d like to think so.
@GuestWho the Queen shoved them out of the procession. Maybe Charles weighed in on it but we all know who holds the royal scepter and makes the decisions. The curtsey thing proves it.
I too believe that’s what went down BTB. Future king C is the only one who can put Cain in his place. He flexed his muscles that day and reminded him of who his father was.
The Middletons stand to lose a lot with this. Charles can make their lives harder as King… Will will try to undo it, but Charles can sink their reputations. (If they were involved in this)
@Kacy – oh you bet your booties they stand to lose a lot. Ma Midd has her fingerprints all over this, she has the Fail on speed dial. She’s the classic ‘stage mother’ who manipulated a totally unprepared daughter into what now has become an unhappy marriage with a backdrop of deceit, adultery, leaking and a whole pile of royal tea that, hopefully, is going to be exposed. The BRF is getting a terrible black eye over this and the Andrew situation which will not go away, no matter how much QE tries to protect him.
@Jaded – I sometimes wonder what William would’ve become had the Middletons not crossed his path. Possibly still not much; being always surrounded by sycophants, and protected because he’s the heir, doesn’t build character. But I think the (Carole) Middleton influence, him being so cosseted and pandered to, especially when younger, magnified his worst tendencies. Thus he’s an insufferable pill and overall nasty person who thinks he’s terribly clever, and better than everyone else.
Possibly at heart he really is just another useless aristocrat who’d be perfectly happy as a wealthy, landed gent, with a rosebush hobby. But he seems unhappy, resentful, with no depth or real direction. If he’d run into a woman with some self-awareness and strength of character, that he really cared about, maybe he would’ve learned to see himself and his life’s possibilities differently. I don’t know much about the other women he was interested in; perhaps this was what he was drawn to, but he didn’t have the skills to attract any of them.
Maybe I’m giving him too much credit. But this happened to Harry, with Meghan. Granted, Harry was already doing self-work, but connecting with Meghan gave him a vision for his future. That also seems true for Charles, with Camilla. Can’t tell if Will ever felt that way about Kate, but at this point, certainly the most visible role for her and her family seems to be reinforcing Will’s worst petty, jealous tendencies, to the detriment of the RF as a whole.
The Cambridge’s were just rude. They never tried and after they airplane stunt, their pettiness and backstabbing was full on display. So much for Kate never putting a foot wrong. Yesterday’s news.
I’m positive that during their meeting with QEII Harry and Meghan had decided, as pretty well their last chance, to give her a synopsis of what happened to drive such a huge and obvious wedge between the brothers. We all know Wm isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, in fact he’s a bumbling idiot who leaks to the press, gets caught schtupping the neighbour and consistently puts his foot in his mouth publicly. So Harry, Meghan, Liz and possibly Charles have a heart-to-heart about the financial abnormalities in the foundation money, the constant leaking, the racist bullshit Meghan’s had to put up with, the utter malicious lies from the tabloid press and the blatant lack of support from the BRF they’ve had to endure. I bet Willileaks and Catty got a dressing-down they won’t forget and yanked from the procession, hence the evil eye and lack of friendly conversation at the church. In yet another massive fail, Wm has proven that he’s a malignant, immature twat who behaves like a toddler throwing a tantrum and of course Catty is, like always, right beside him doing her best passive-aggressive thunder face for all the public to see. Well that was a really stupid lack of judgement and given that Harry is still in the UK for another few days, things may get even more salty before he leaves for good.
Welcome back to Vancouver Island you two!!!
Since Will at least said hello to Harry – makes me think even more that Kate and the Midds have been behind most of these attacks. And Harry brought the receipts. Someone up thread noted only Meghan curtsied to the Queen meaning the rest must have seen her earlier in the day.
I believe all the women curtsied when Ol’ Betts walked in…Kate and Sophie curtsied first, as QE came in closer to them, then Meghan a few seconds later when the queen came into her line of sight.
EDITED: Trying to find video…it was from the back of the church. The only one I can find now cuts in after the two would have already curtsied, so really, I have no idea. Ignore me.
I agree. I think Kate realizes now how much they could be reigned in under Charles… The Middletons have gotten away with a lot under TQ.
The bitchiness was palpable with Unable. I have a feeling the Sussexes told the family they would be down for the last time in a while and tried to arrange lunch or some sort of social. The Keens said sorry they will be in Ireland and then they have tons of engagements. I feel Harry extended the olive branch and the Cambridges turned away and shunned him and Meghan. I think they were shocked by the treatment but Meghan was prepared. Poor Harry still holds out hope for that godforsaken family.
I have to give a ton of credit to Meghan: she knows how to maintain an expression so that any picture of her shows her looking very pleasant. That has to be grueling given these difficult circumstances. Kate just looks bored and old. William, as always, looks like a toe.
You’re correct. This couldn’t have been pleasant for her – everything is clearly kind of a mess – but she looks like she’s idling away a pleasant afternoon.
The whole world was able to witness Kate and William rudeness to Meghan and Harry while Meghan and Harry were polite to two people who helped making three years of their lives a living hell . All because keen Kate and William the jerk were jealous and couldn’t handle the spotlight not being on them Kate couldn’t handle not being the alpha female it’s amazing how Kate supporters are coming up with all this excuse for a her downright rude nasty attitude towards Meghan and Harry . Kate is always innocent it’s always a excuse she a mother she can’t be bother to been kind to Meghan or she tired that’s why she rude to Meghan yesterday Kate always gets the benefit of the doubt. The Cambridge’s have their favorite reporters on speed dial to spin their side of the story they want the public to believe them instead of the public seeing with their own eyes their petty behavior on display. And I see the narrative now is to places blame on Harry for being so called moody he smile at both William and Kate they act like he didn’t exist that’s why his face changed. If anyone was emotionally or Show rude behavior it was the Cambridge and their follower Sophie
Lol. Poor Kate. I totally believe she thought she could marry William the disinterested bore, have some heirs and then keep Harry nearby for emotional support (and more) without having to lift a finger in his defense.
Kate is taking it badly because she’s realized that she’s completely alone in that family now. The mean girl doesn’t have an ally in sight. She wanted the attention and spotlight, now she’s got it.
Harry has every right to want to burn them all down. They got by on his work & popularity for years and years, used him as William’s shield, the wild spare was supposed to be the next Randy Andy to be used as the whipping boy for years to come. But he grew up, fell in love and dared to be impactful & powerful.
Run, Harry. You saw what they did to your mother. Take your wife and child and stay away. And watch your back. They’re not going to make it easy for you.
She has Sophie!
I don’t like that the narrative is “Meghan looked professional” it kinda makes her seem like a schemer. Meghan has mentally extricated herself from the situation and knows her husband has her back. She looks serene because she is, not because she’s a biracial Tilda Swinton giving a performance lol
Who said she’s a schemer? I’m personalizing this obviously, but even if I know I’m I the right, if someone is being a mega-b to me, I’m not great at masking that. Even if my full self is serene, my face betrays the moment. It’s not an insult, just deep respect for people who are good at, you know, being face grownups. It’s a skill I lack.
?? Saying she was professional and looked serene does not mean she’s a schemer. Keeping your game face on like she did when someone is so blatantly rude to you is a skill. That’s not a criticism of Meghan. She has a very good “resting face” – as opposed to others who have RBF (I admit that I am one of those, I often look mad when I’m not.)
Being professional despite how you feel about someone or how you know they feel about you is a skill, not scheming. Many a business deal is signed when the parties act in a diplomatic and professional manner, that’s the art of the deal and how things are accomplished. That doesn’t mean you have to like each other, just to behave in a civilized and cordial manner to get the job done. When I worked in business, I certainly didn’t care for everyone I worked with, but I was very professional in order to get along with them and do my work. And I don’t consider myself a schemer by any means. That’s where the future future king and queen fell flat on their faces. They were rude, undiplomatic and unprofessional and let their sloppy behavior be known on the world platform. Meghan brought her game face to a highly fraught and stressful situation, knowing how the others felt about her, and she dealt with it with all the poise and aplomb she had. That’s the height of professionalism and we should all have such a valuable skill at hand.
Meghan was professional. William, Kate, Sophie and Harry were unprofessional. As future heads of state, William and Kate will be having engagements with people they don’t like and doing engagements they don’t want to do, but they can’t have a sour face while doing it. Now’s the time to start practicing.
Looks like the only non-British member schooled the British on how to not show emotion. I don’t think Meghan was acting either, this is just her disposition, some people are just less bothered by trivial things, don’t blow things out of proportion, I admire that. Watching the clip I found it sad that after Meghan gave Charles a nod quickly looked down before Camilla met her eye, I don’t know how I feel about Camilla, but if I were her I would’ve said “Hello Meghan” and gave her warm smile to show a little support. It’s really tasteless how these “woman” behave.
William & Kate were fine coming out of the church. Jovial and chatting with everyone. They looked constipated and pissed coming in. Kate was downright rude to both Harry & Meghan. If William directed his greeting to Harry only, I can fully understand Harry being pissed. Even with the exit, William can’t help but be as ass towards Meghan.
Charles loves his son and the Firm. He wouldn’t blatantly snub Meghan to her face. He understands optics. He was cordial with Meghan as she curtsied.
I’m glad of all the awkwardness at the ceremony; at least it blew the lid on any pretence. I loved how smiley and unbothered Meghan was. For all the talk of her breaking protocols and not behaving like a true royals, she was the only one that acted with any class.
On a more interesting note… I came across an instagram post of a photographer; Laura McCallen. She was standing outside the church taking photos of the royals as they were coming and going. She said press pack around her were disgusting. They were saying really nasty things about Meghan and blaming her whole drama. And a TV crew from a UK channel was photoshopping her pics with a witch’s hat and broomstick (I reckon it was ITV; Chris Ship is really snarky about Meghan). I wish she named names, or even better secretly recorded them.
After the Vice documentary; I would love an expose of the Royal Reporters and everything they’ve done. They are so used to dissecting and scrutinising others but are never held accountable.
I’m with you, I’d love to see anyone do an in-depth look at the British tabloids and all the lives they’ve ruined.
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On the plus side, today Harry and some other people in the public eye have won the first round of legal proceedings against the Mirror News Group in court for historic phone hackings, so *fingers crossed*
Excellent news Ruby. Can’t wait to read more about it. Just be patient Sussexes.
I think it’s totally fine when petty, jealous, mean, racist and sexist people get riled up, because it usually means that the target of their hatred is winning. I think that’s what’s happening with Meghan vs. the royal reporters. The fact is, she’s gorgeous, smart, well-educated, happy, in love with someone who’s in love with her, rich, world-famous, beloved by a millions of fans, mother to a lovely baby boy, and broke away with her husband from his toxic family. Not one of the royal reporters has anything close to what Meghan has: not her power, not her prestige, not her money, not her looks, not her independence and self-reliance, and probably not much of her smarts or education, either. No matter how you look at it, Meghan is winning and that’s why they hate her.
Everything I saw seemed like the Cambridges were mighty upset…and I’m here for it. I’m hoping information comes out and soon about their part in everything. Something I’ve wondered about is another aspect of H/M leaving to make their own money. Does anyone think it’s because Harry feels after TQ dies their income would have been compromised?
I think money wise, H & M would’ve been fine until William took the throne. Then he would’ve controlled them via the money. If William was trying to banish/exile/control them now when he is 2 clicks from the throne, he would’ve been an absolute terror when he got on the throne. I figure Harry & Meghan decided to leave now while Archie is young and make their own way so their livlihoods/lifestyle wasn’t dictated by William 10-20 years from now.
Exactly Emmitt! Which is why when people talk about the Sussex’s coming back into the role fold when Charles is king, all I can’t think of is Don’t Do It!! Charles might treat them fairly but his reign will probably not be long and then they’ll be under William’s thumb that won’t end well.
Harry & I share a birthday & I can confirm that no b*tch is as salty as a Virgo b*tch! He stewed on the disrespectful greeting and the fact that his wife was completely ignored & he was ready to pop off! Kate is a boring snob. Always has been, always will be.
Some Royal Reporters are trying to spin this as Harry is stressed and upset about leaving the BRF. Like Meghan is holding a gun to his head and he really doesn’t want to go and I dunno… be with his baby!
This one guy was saying that he’s willing to bet that they’ll back with the BRF in 6 months time. And if not both, Harry definitely, implying that they might split up and Harry comes crawling back. What is wrong with these people? Hoping a man breaks up with his spouse and the mother of his child?
Why are these people so gleeful to see a divorce and a broken family? It’s just disheartening and gross.
Does anyone know if they have now left the UK? Are they back in Saanich?
Meghan is back in Saanich, Harry will join her in a few days. I wonder if we’ll get some more reports on the ongoing battle of the brothers? If I were Wm and Catty I’d keep a low profile for a while, they basically shot themselves in the foot. Again.
Thank you for the reply Jaded. They must have missed their little one like crazy. Lots of Face Time no doubt. Glad Harry will soon be back and they can get on with the rest of their lives. I don’t think they will stay in Canada beyond the year. I truly believe they will end up in LA. What do you think?
Basically Meghan came along and exposed them for the assholes they really are. Through it all she never stopped being kind and friendly. Amazing woman.
Meghan looked like Cruella De Ville with that cape ha !!!!
I feel sorry for them all having this played out on public. People seem to feel like they know these people and what is going on. William looked sad to me more than anything. I also feel for Meghan and Kate being pitted against each other in terms of what they wear/how they look. Neither were fashionistas before.
I don’t feel a damn bit of sympathy for either William or Kate. They got what they wanted and were given free reign to inflict damage on Harry and Meghan, and get away with it with no consequences. They are knee deep in the mess and were the prime drivers for the leaks, smears and attacks. All must put the heirs first, regardless of the human wreckage. To willfully try to destroy a woman and her reputation, because she dared to marry and take a giant leap is unconscionable.They’re only upset they didn’t get the spotlight during the Sussexes last week as working Royals.
Oh please!! You know this since you are so close to these people??! There is absolutely no proof Kate/William had anything to do with this – but since you have this proof I would love to see it. They had a new baby themselves and 2 young kids to worry about. They are the heirs so don’t need to worry about being outshone – at the end of the day they are the ones who are supposedly more important. The brothers always seemed close . It is sad that something has occured between them that none of us know anything about. If Harry really does go and fall on his own 2 feet without the financial help of the Royals/UK and Commonwealth then I will be pleased for him. Man life must be hard living for free on a beautiful island in Canada.
Meghan looks like an unproblematic angel and I’m here for it!!!!!!
Harry should be angry. He has the privilege to express it. His wife does not. Meghan knows exactly what would happen if she didn’t smile for the camera. I hope he realizes that and made certain some of that anger was for her.
Meghan was killing them with kindness which Will/Kate played right into with their frosty greetings and the whole world saw it. The British tabloids will continue to malign Harry and Meghan. The deal will be how much pressure they will put on the other royal family members to do what they say. Most members of the royal family appear to be spineless -they have no backbone to do the right thing. If they truly felt they did not want a poc in the royal family-why didn’t they pressure Harry with all their might to stop seeing Meghan. He said when everybody discovered he was seeing her, he wondered if she would end things and run off-because that usually what happens when he is dating someone. His family and the media runs them off. There is something eerie about the royal family-and I can’t quite put it into words. They don’t act like a real family-but like little clicks fighting to preserve their positions-will destroy anyone who gets in their way.
What makes me sad is how sad this would be to Diana. She would have loved Meagan I think. But her heart would be broken that her two beloved sons are estranged. If she were alive, I bet she could have made things better.
I think MM is up the duff. She looks glowy and knowing