TDB: The Cambridges’ tour likely strengthened the case for Scottish independence

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge meet Cardiff University Students

One week ago, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge’s Keen Pandemic Choo-Choo Tour took them to Edinburgh, Scotland. It was the first stop of their dumbf–k tour and they obliviously created a major political incident. Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon had closed down the border between England and Scotland for everything except work. Enter Keen Kate and Keen Bill, who believe their nonsense busy-work counts as “work.” Sturgeon played the Cambridges’ visit with a lot of political tact, so much so that English peers huffed and puffed and Sarah Vine complained that Sturgeon was basically a clout-chaser trying to make her bones by criticizing the Cambridges’ tone-deaf corona-tour. Meanwhile, the reaction in Scotland has been a strengthening of the Scottish independence movement and a lot of bad press for Will and Kate. The Daily Beast’s Tom Sykes did a run-through of the political controversy around the Keens’ Pandemic Tour specifically in Scotland. Some highlights:

The Cambridges’ Scottish jaunt was terrible optics in Scotland: However, in Scotland, where the royals are generally less popular than they are in England, especially within the nationalist community, critics on social media were quick to characterize the trip as an irresponsible jaunt. Even if it didn’t actually spread COVID-19, these critics said, it certainly militated against the clear and cautious COVID messaging that has characterized Scotland’s response to the pandemic. The accusations entered the mainstream with even newspapers such as The Scotsman, which backed a “no” vote in the referendum, describing the trip as an opportunity to vent the “familiar grievances” of “one rule for them and another for the rest of us” and saying the trip showed the royals had “not yet grasped the public mood, at least in Scotland.”

On Sturgeon’s careful criticism: Underpinning the decidedly lukewarm reception lie hundreds of years of complicated and often antagonistic history between England and Scotland, although Professor Christopher Whatley of the University of Dundee, a well-known and widely published Scottish historian and author of the 2014 book, The Scots and the Union: Then and Now, told The Daily Beast that Sturgeon has to walk a delicate path with regard to the monarchy. Official SNP policy is that an independent Scotland would retain the queen as head of state because the 1603 Union of Crowns predates the 1707 Union of Parliaments, the act that independence would undo. But there is undoubtedly a significant strain of Republicanism in the nationalist community. However, there are also many supporters of independence who like the monarchy, he said, and the nationalists cannot afford to alienate them.

Professor Whatley on Sturgeon’s comment: “Her raison d’être as an SNP [Scottish Nationalist Party] politician is to secure Scottish independence,” Whatley said. The royal visit, although “largely symbolic” is, he noted, “unhelpful to her cause.” Whatley added: “Within certain circles there’s opposition in principle to the monarchy along with other hereditary privileges.”

Whatley on the criticism from Welsh public health experts: Whatley suggests such criticism could be an important red flag for unionists, saying: “In Wales there’s growing support for Welsh independence, which would explain the current coolness towards the royal visit. I think that Welsh politicians are learning from the Scottish example.”

Another professor’s take on the fault lines between Scotland & the Windsors: Dr. Sean Lang, a playwright and senior lecturer in history at England’s Anglia Ruskin University who specializes in the history of the British Empire and has written extensively on the relationship between England and Scotland, said: “It’s no secret that Scottish nationalists tend to be republican; Scottish nationalism took a leftward slant back in Mrs Thatcher’s day, and nationalists tend to associate the monarchy with England, despite the importance the royals attach to their presence in Scotland. Among Scots as a whole, there is much more affection, especially for the queen. It is very hard to say how Charles will be accepted as and when he becomes king, though I don’t think Scotland is wildly different from England or Wales in this respect. His reign cannot be that long, of course, and William does have a much more positive public image. But if there is a move for independence, and that seems increasingly likely, it will be much more because of Brexit and the impact of the pandemic than because of any feelings one way or the other about the monarchy.”

[From The Daily Beast]

Basically, “the royals cannot be POLITICAL” was just a convenient cudgel for Prince Harry and Meghan specifically. William and Kate stupidly caused a massive political headache for Scottish-English relations, and now everyone is openly discussing the idea that when Scottish independence happens, Scotland may not want “King Charles” or “King William” as their head of state. That’s how awful and tone-deaf the Cambridges’ Pandemic Tour was: they strengthened the movement against the royal family and they gave red meat to independence-minded republicans.

Also, this clip of two Daily Mail commentators fully criticizing the wisdom of the Pandemic Tour is something else.

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge visit Holy Trinity Church of England First School

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge visit a food bank

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  1. Elizabeth Regina says:

    Talk about the law of unintended consequences. Miss Karma jumped on board that train wreck of a tour.

  2. SomeChick says:

    That tag #AllabitEmbarrassing on the video clip says it all.

  3. notasugarhere says:

    Between these two idiots and Brexit, of course Scotland wants out. I expect Charles to end up king of England and Wales, everywhere else having dropped the Windsors by then.

    • Hyacinth Bucket says:

      I sort of predicted that after Brexit. But I called it Wangland. Charles, King of Wangland has a nice ring to it.

    • Seraphina says:

      Ironically, in his efforts to stream line the monarchy he really is streamlining it – in more ways than he could imagine.

  4. Becks1 says:

    I know we talk about the Netflix show The Windsors a lot (I think its a Channel 4 show in the UK?) but omg. Sometimes I really think its more accurate than we realize. Cant you just see William in that show saying, “what does the public need right now in the midst of a pandemic? They need to see US! we will wave from our train!” and Kate saying “my many coats will bring cheer to the entire land!” “yes yes Kate, that’s very good. And I….will not wear a mask.”

    I mean, it really would be a perfect plot line.

    • T. Tommy Reed says:

      @Becks1 YES! That show is everything and I love that they’ve stopped being polite. Season 3 was gloves off on Andrew and I’m hoping for more of the same for everyone else if it comes back.

  5. Mcali02 says:

    I can’t believe taxpayers are okay paying for this crap.

  6. Lucy says:

    “Scottish nationalism took a leftward slant back in Mrs Thatcher’s day, and nationalists tend to associate the monarchy with England, despite the importance the royals attach to their presence in Scotland.”
    The whole last part of this sentence is what jumps out to me.
    Nationalists don’t like the monarchy, they associate it with England for some reason (literal lol for me, where else should it be associated with).
    The kicker is that the ROYALS attach great importance to their presence in Scotland. Scotland should be so grateful, according to this attitude. They really can’t read a room to save their life.
    Will might get to be King of England only, if he somehow doesn’t cock that up in the next twenty years.

  7. T. Tommy Reed says:

    This is so interesting because I was just reading (why do I do this to myself?!) a super pro-Kate blog that I mentally flog myself with, and that idiot was gushing about how helpful the train tour and panto visit were to British morale and how amazing the Cambridges are. She’s not British, so I don’t know how she thinks she can gauge the morale boost- I guess from reading the Daily Mail?

    Anyway, I think most people are indifferent to the tour either way, but the majority of people who are aware of it think it was a mistake. So I find it so funny that there are fans spinning it into a super positive when it very likely *did* help the Scottish independence movement, especially if a referendum comes soonish.

    • Sofia says:

      In their defence it was helpful.

      Helpful for the Scottish Independence Movement that is

    • Kalana says:

      Sean Spicer vibes. The train tour was great! Period!

    • Nic919 says:

      Most of the pro Kate people are white American pro MAGA women so they have no clue about what goes on in the UK, especially Scotland because they actually believe what the court stenographer RRs tell them. What I find interesting are the pro Kate anti Meghan women who hate Trump but don’t seem to understand that William and Kate have basically acted no different than trump and melania with their super spreader ego tours and spending excessively without remorse.

      • February-Pisces says:

        I think the pro Kate/anti trump fonts you see on twitter must be bots. It’s just like the kate stans on twitter using pics of black people for their profile picture, they want to pretend they are a minority that way they will get away with a lot of racist sh*t they say. I think KP know that the Keens are heading into MAGA territory hence why they want to project the idea that liberals love them too, they don’t.

      • Nic919 says:

        Omg, the black avatars for the Kate stans are so obviously fake. I know there was a brief story on bots being used by KP, but considering what we now know what Johnny Depp does, there should be more of an examination into this.

      • Kalana says:

        The fake black avatars are so creepy and racist.

        I’m not surprised there are white anti-Sussex stans who think of themselves as liberal. White feminism and white saviordom. Meghan was not supposed to marry their white prince.

      • Wiglet Watcher says:

        Go to any KP instagram comments and click on a profile. Majority I’ve found are bots following a lot and have no followers or women from… Texas, Kansas, Tennessee and any other red state.

  8. Qtpi says:

    The Queen must see the writing on the wall. I think the monarchy is headed to the dustbin after she dies. Good riddance.

  9. Steph says:

    Hey, can anyone drop some links for me to show why the Royal Train is the most expensive form of transportation? I live in NYC and trains and buses are the most cost effective and cleanest way to travel. I get that their train isn’t public but with cost of fuel and housing for other modes, is it really more expensive?

    • windyriver says:

      @Steph – commuter bus and rail is heavily subsidized through government money. Haven’t had time to do a deep dive on current cost ratios, but IIRC from years back revenue from passenger fares generally covered only about 30% of operating costs. That’s how expensive it is. Those costs would be fuel, maintenance, garaging, employee salaries, etc. Then there’s additional things like capital costs for new bus and rail rolling stock, and in the case of rail, track maintenance costs.

      At least, one bus or rail car in a major city would likely carry dozens or hundreds of passengers in a day. The Royal Train as used on this trip was I think nine cars, with maybe a dozen or so people aboard for three days. The total mileage reported was, I think, 1250? Plus, those train cars date from the 1970’s, so are likely heavier and less efficient than more modern vehicles.

  10. Nina Simone says:

    In the words of the great Nene Leakes: you never can win when you play dirty.

    Kate and William made their bed, now they have to lie in it and wake up to a vastly diminished “empire” when they finally inherit the throne.

    *cackles

  11. Christina says:

    As an American who grew up near where the Duchess of Sussex grew up, I am delighted that this blew up in their dumb faces. Call me petty as I sip my tea…

  12. MA says:

    Who said the Cambridges were useless? I’ve been feasting on their foibles the past few weeks!

  13. WintryMix says:

    Forgive my ignorance of this, but if Scotland became independent, would they then be able to join the EU as their own country? From across the pond it seems like that would be amazing upgrade!

    • Cecilia says:

      For them to be a a state they need to recognized as such by other states, which would most likely happen so yes. They could join the EU.

  14. Mina_Esq says:

    Will and Kate give the worst return on investment of all that taxpayer money. Their antics will be the downfall of the monarchy.

  15. February-Pisces says:

    I’m from and live in England. When people think of the British royal family they think of England. I don’t think they benefit this country at all, especially when they chase the profitable royals out of town. They only argument they have for their relevancy is tourism and doing charity work. But that’s mostly in England, so what benefits do other country’s who share our monarchy have. What’s the point in Scotland having a royal family that’s not even in Scotland. What’s the point in our queen being queen of Australia or any other country, she’s not even there and represents nothing about that country. I just don’t understand. Barbados had the right idea.

  16. Thirtynine says:

    Very interesting that Victoria made a point of commenting that the RF are not completely independent but that they are a branch of the government and work together with it despite people not realising this. And Richard saying ‘a wise counsellor ‘ would have foreseen this and suggested ‘not now’- which implies that the Cambridges just don’t have anyone like that in their camp, and didn’t work it out for themselves. I’d love to know where the idea really came from.
    I hope I live to see the day Australia becomes a republic.