The Sussexes hope 2021 ‘can be a time of healing… for their family’

Commonwealth Service at Westminster Abbey on Commonwealth Day

The one-year anniversary of the Sussexit came and went yesterday with little fanfare. We were paying more attention to the aftermath of the terrorist attack on the Capitol (which is honestly a more important story). Prince Harry and Meghan did get the cover of this week’s People Magazine, and People released another excerpt online. The gist of the cover story is that M&H are… fine. They have no regrets. They love their California life and they love that they’re away from the incessant grind of bullsh-t from the palace, from the Windsors and from the British media. But do they want to have some kind of reconciliation with the Windsors? Possibly.

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are staying positive as they enter the New Year. As the Duke and Duchess of Sussex mark one year since announcing they would be stepping down as senior members of the royal family, they’re “hoping 2021 can be a time of healing not just for the world, but for their family,” a source close to the couple tells PEOPLE in this week’s cover story.

Prince Harry and his older brother Prince William’s already fractured relationship suffered more when Harry fell for Meghan in 2016 — and William wasn’t afraid to voice his reservations about the romance moving too quickly. However, with Meghan and Prince Harry’s relocation to California in March 2020, insiders say the royal siblings will make amends in due course.

“Family disagreements tend to lose heat with distance and time,” says the source.

While the coronavirus pandemic has prevented Meghan, 39, and Prince Harry, 36, from revisiting the U.K., it’s believed that they’ll make the trip across the pond this year for some special family occasions. Insiders say Harry will take part in celebrations for the 100th birthday of his grandfather, Prince Philip, in June. And in July, William and Harry are expected to team up for the long-awaited unveiling of a statue of their mother, Princess Diana, in Kensington Palace to commemorate what would have been her 60th birthday.

[From People]

I enjoy the fact that sources in the Sussex camp aren’t making this into some big promise to reunite or bury the hatchet or anything. They’re basically like “if it happens, it happens, we’re not super-focused on reconciling.” The Katie Nicholl camp of the royal commentary class is stuck between insisting that William and Harry Zoom all the time and everything is better OR that Harry is the one who must return to England to beg for his family’s forgiveness. From where I sit, the Windsors still seem BIG MAD at Harry, so much so that the Queen brought in the New Year by reminding everyone that she hates her grandson, she hates veterans, and she hates the military community. Meanwhile, I think it’s become very clear that William doesn’t even want Harry and Meghan to come back – he has the spotlight all to himself, and his marriage is better (lol). So yeah… it’s going to be a holding pattern for a while.

Commonwealth Service at Westminster Abbey on Commonwealth Day

Commonwealth Service at Westminster Abbey on Commonwealth Day

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  1. Snuffles says:

    Yeah, not buying it. I also believe the Windsors are still pissed. If/when Harry (and I firmly believe it will be just him) returns it will be for the Diana event and for Invictus. I think Queen Petty will block him from any royal events.

    • JT says:

      The royals have only one defense: attack. They remind me of how Scientology retaliates to be honest. Once you leave, they will continue to gaslight and harass. You immediately become a suppressive person to be crushed, or have your “wings clipped.” They are still holding a grudge 25 years after Diana has passed; they allow their petty grievances to consume them. I imagine the feelings toward H&M will be no different especially as they become more successful.

      • Snuffles says:

        Excellent analogy! I think they do view them as “suppressives”. Because them leaving and being successful weakens the image of the monarchy and might give other members ideas of leaving too.

      • Elizabeth Regina says:

        I fully agree. They were still talking about clipping their wings a few weeks ago.

      • Interesting comparison, JT. It’s “one for all (supposedly this is the Queen’s role) and all for one (everyone else in family and aristos for Queen). I think, Eugenie and Jack staying in Frogmore Cottage and suddenly exiting and now supposedly moving in with parents, was a flex by the family to make sure they sent a message to the Sussexes that NO ONE in family will publically show they have anything to do with them. I don’t imagine a pregnant woman wants to jump around moving house several times while she’s pregnant. Thus, I think she was forced to leave Frogmore as soon as “someone” in the family found out they’d moved in.

        I can’t think of any other royal in recent British history that has successfully made their own way without any financial assistance except the Sussexes. You surely can’t say EDWARD VIII was successful as he sucked from the royal funds all his life and was desperate until the day he died for Wallis to be given an HRH. The Sussexes don’t want anything and are 100% financially independent and thus the royal meltdown. They are a threat to the monarchy because they did walk away.

    • Tessa says:

      I hope he brings his wife and Child. Archie is also a grandchild of Diana not just the Cambridge children.

      • Snuffles says:

        Absolutely NOT! I don’t think it’s safe for Archie and Meghan to be at any public event for the foreseeable future. Not should they be around any The Firm.

      • JT says:

        What’s funny is that even Scientology has enough sense to not be as public with this behavior anymore, especially with a high profile person like Kate Holmes. The RF are using a playbook that is outdated even for Xenu.

      • JT says:

        @lowcountry You’re right. Nobody in the RF have been able to capture the success of Harry and Meg. Nobody. Even the ones with careers like Zara, Eugenie, and Beatrice, not to mention the dozens of others that nobody really cares about. I imagine that fact is a sticking point as well; they all claim the royalty opens the doors for success and popularity but none of them have attained it outside of the crown or with it. The queen is only popular because of longevity and a photo of her “being a mechanic” 75 years ago. W&K’s popularity is PR, charles is nonexistent. Harry is the only one who could’ve done it. Having to work outside of the RF for sentebale, Invictus, etc gave him the connections to be independent. Remember that Gale King said that Harry has connections that nobody even knows about. Meghan’s hustle and drive further elevated their power as well as her beauty and intelligence. (People love and attractive couple). Good King Henry indeed.

    • Lorelei says:

      I wouldn’t be shocked if Harry didn’t go back until there’s a funeral, most likely Philip’s. Covid isn’t going away anytime soon, so that will buy the Sussexes plenty of time.

      Obviously this is just me speculating, but considering how they’ve continued to be trashed on a daily basis even from 6,000 miles away as they live their own lives without even ever mentioning the BRF — and *especially* if the story about the Betty and the wreath is true — I can’t see Harry wanting to go back to see any of them until absolutely necessary. He can continue to support his charities via Zoom just as he has been all along.

      Sure, they would smear him in the tabloids for any missed birthdays or whatnot, but they find a way to smear him every single day anyway, and it seems like he’s learned to ignore it. He’s too busy for their BS at this point anyway, and clearly much happier the farther away he is from all of it.

      And my personal hope is that Meghan and Archie never go back; the family doesn’t deserve a moment of their time. But who knows…time will tell.

  2. JT says:

    I don’t believe that H&M are holding out hope for a reconciliation. Not with the outrage over their deals, financial independence, the house, the wreath debacle, Archewell, and the fake extension news parroted by the palace. To add on top of that, the news that it was queen’s idea to deny a vet just shows that the RF is still trying to act punitively. I think H&M are just trying to move forward with their lives, family reconciliation be damned. The royals can’t be trusted anyway.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      The Windsors have form for never forgiving or forgetting. They have never forgiven Diana for being popular and speaking out only AFTER Charles did. They will certainly never forgive Harry for standing by wife and leaving and Meghan for taking one look at their dysfunction and leaving. Lastly, the financial independence of the Sussexes makes the RF look very very bad and they and their attack dogs will do all they can to torpedo any future deals regardless of what their propaganda mouth pieces might say.

      • JT says:

        Exactly. As I stated upthread, the RF only has the same old playbook. It doesn’t work in this age anymore. At this point H&M being seen with the royals will only help the monarchy not themselves. Harry and Meghan have a brand now and the royals penchant for excusing the worst elements of their institution, Prince Andrew, will only harm the Sussexes. In the real world people get dropped for supporting alleged pedophiles. Upholding the queens values means the opposite of what the RF think it does. I suggest H&M support the royals “privately”, like the RF does for them.

      • Snuffles says:

        That’s the beauty of them living and doing business in America. All their smear attempts might scare off British opportunities, but Americans LIVE for this shit. Just look at the Kardashians. They are millionaires and billionaires profiting off personal drama.

      • Another excellent comment, JT; especially, your last sentence.

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      Absolutely. How the tables have turned. Now the RF are the ones more in need of the good optics of being associated with Harry and Meghan. With Brand UK damaged and the RF not wanting to give up the paedo, it will be interesting to watch it unfold. To be honest, the rota rat reporters are just scrambling right now with every story being more outrageous than the last. Even Piss Moron after Wednesday’s debacle instigated by his best friend will have to watch himself.

      • JT says:

        H&M now have to be even more scrupulous than the royals. They will have to vet those around them and working with them extensively from now on to protect their brand. They are on the way to becoming media moguls; they have to be very careful. I read from Forbes or WSJ that H&M can be a billion dollar brand in a few years if they play their cards right. The monarchy can hurt their plans with their Tom foolery. They have to careful with their interactions regarding the RF.

  3. Becks1 says:

    Of course Harry is going to return to the UK at some point – whether it’s for Phillip’s birthday celebrations, the reveal of the Diana statute, whatever – they made it clear they intend to return to the UK at various points. It IS still Harry’s home country and he still has family there (presumably he likes SOME of his family, since he let Eugenie live at Frogmore albeit briefly) and obviously friends and charities. But they no longer have to interact with the royal rota so it will be interesting to see if/when we learn of their returns (as in, maybe they go back in May and stay for a week before Invictus and no one knows about it.)

    And none of that means there will be a strong reconciliation between the brothers.

    • JT says:

      With the way COVID is going, I doubt they will make it for the statue. They’ve already stated any travel plans will be made with the pandemic in mind. And isn’t Invictus happening in the Netherlands? I see no reason to stop in the UK at all especially with the new virus variant. And I fully believe either Charles or William told Eugenie to vacate Frogmore as it’s now being claimed that she is moving in with her parents. If she wanted to be with A&F she would’ve went to Royal Lodge in the first place. She was forced out of FC.

      • Amy Bee says:

        I believe Beatrice was forced out as well. I think it was Charles.

      • Becks1 says:

        I agree that she was forced out of Frogmore – I think someone realized it sent a “Harry and Meghan are never coming back” message even though the Sussex statement said they would continue to use it as their UK base.

        I mean, obviously COVID is going to impact their travel decisions, so who knows when they’ll come back. I just think the talking point for many Sussex fans that Harry is NEVER EVER EVER going to return to the UK EVER for ANY reason is just simply not true. Of course he is going to go back. Maybe it will be for an official family reason, maybe it will be for a friend’s birthday, maybe it will be for a polo match, whatever. But he’s not going to avoid the UK for the rest of his life.

      • Smices says:

        I think if he flies over for Invictus Games then he’ll stay for the Diana unveiling. He reportedly was very involved in the development of that statue. I also think he wouldn’t go to Invictus but then ditch his grandfather’s 100th. It will be all or none.

      • Ginger says:

        I agree Becks1 The talking point of Harry and Meghan never going back is ridiculous.
        Meghan will go back. Not as much as Harry but I’m sure she will for various things. They know this situation better than we do.

      • JT says:

        I just don’t think going back to the UK at this point would be prudent. They would already have to quarantine for Invictus and for entry into the uk. Might as well save the hassle for their own business. H&M don’t need the messy “flouting the rules talk” that follows the Cambridges everywhere they go. The press will go batshit when they return trying to their licks in before they leave. They should just think hard about that decision. Even the queen’s garden parties have been cancelled for now and H&M don’t have the benefit of the press forgetting all of their mishaps like W&K.

  4. Amy Bee says:

    I think the Sussexes are very philosophical about the whole thing. If the Royal Family want to reconcile with them, they will be open to it but they’re moving on with their lives regardless. I don’t think Harry and Meghan are going to actively seek a reconciliation with the family.

  5. S808 says:

    If it happens it happens, if it doesn’t, it doesn’t. I don’t think they’re gonna go out of their way to reconcile and I don’t think they’re losing sleep over this either. *shrug*

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      The talk is changing to reconciliation because the political climate is changing in America and The Crown have made people remember how the House of Windsor eats its own. If had Trump won a second term, and the Sussexes had struggled to find their feet, there would be no talk of reconciliation.

  6. Myra says:

    I wouldn’t make amends with someone who conspired to incite hatred against my family which in this kind of environment could literally result in physical harm. Not even time and distance would make me forgive someone who attempted to cause reputational damage to me so that he could be portrayed positively in the public eye.

    • steph says:

      I wouldn’t either. And I think if there is a reconciliation it will be at Meghan’s encouraging. I think she is the more laid back about it and Harry is still angry. The way he broke protocol on multiple occasions to defend her tells me he’s more likely to be really angry still and not on some “it is what it is.”

      • Alexandria says:

        Did he really break protocol when the palace can defend Andrew openly? The palace is really full of crap. Harry has more honour and dignity in his toenail than them.

  7. Faye says:

    I like how the People article just casually slipped in the part about the “brothers’ already fractured relationship suffered more when Harry met Meghan”. This is new info correct?

    We were always fed they line that HWK were the three musketeers until Meghan, but that line alone says they weren’t close before Meghan. Which is obvious since KW were mostly in Norfolk, and Harry was doing his thing traveling and in London. They probably were mainly around each other for engagements.

    • Snuffles says:

      Yup, and Harry HATED being the permanent “third wheel”.

    • steph says:

      Yeah, I noticed that too. I’ve been following the royal gossip for as long as Kaiser has been covering it here. I’m not sure i ever picked up one beef between them but nothing said they were close before Harry met Meghan.

      • equality says:

        I think William is the one who tried to give that impression with the “Harry raiding his fridge” quotes and the nonsense about “putting his arms around him.” I don’t know of anything Harry has said that gives that impression.

      • Oh says:

        Lol, Harry said about that top CEO that she the big sister he’s never had, and he defended her more than once (maybe more than her husband) and he laughed with her in engagements like a clown .. also Harry said about his dysfunctional family and Meghan that “the family she’s never had” LOLOLOL

      • Kalana says:

        @equality. It goes back a long way. William wanted to be given public credit for Harry being taken to visit a rehab even though he literally had nothing to do with it. Instead it was his influence that led to Harry drinking heavily at a young age because he would let Harry party with him and his friends.

        William also tried to get out of sitting his exams when Harry’s nazi costume scandal happened claiming to be too distracted to study. The university rejected this and made him take his exams on schedule.

        Also Miguel Head, who worked for William, told this bizarre story about when Harry returned from Afghanistan. Harry was made to talk to a reporter immediately upon getting off the plane which is already strange. William was in the room and when Harry who was clearly tired and upset began to falter, William ended the interview. Head told that story to demonstrate that William is a protective older brother but I thought the whole thing sounded creepy, manipulative, and very controlling. Why was Harry made to do this, why was William overseeing this and who gave Miguel Head permission to break his NDA and tell this story?

    • Tessa says:

      I think William wanted to give “his permission” for Harry to marry someone, if he gave permission for a marriage at all. He seems to be a control freak, and maybe he would have “let” Harry marry some distant cousin of Kate’s.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Tessa: lol at William thinking he has the least bit of control over who Harry married. I don’t doubt that Bill thought that, but where he got it from is beyond me. He’s not Harry’s keeper, and Harry is a grown man FGS.

      • JT says:

        @lorelai Will wants to be just like the queen, in that she controls her siblings and extended families lives. He wants to be like petty Betty calling all the shots on who to divorce and when (Charles and Andrew), where to live on what property, what jewels to wear (Meg being banned from the collection was Will’s doing). He’s tryin to behave like he’s the current monarch when nowhere near it yet. It’s interesting that knowing one’s place doesn’t apply to William considering his machinations. Harry not giving a fuck through him for a loop, because Harry is the only working royal he could’ve controlled. Slimmed down monarchy means slimmed down power. Hence, the incandescence.

      • William being a control freak makes sense given that during his childhood BOTH of his parents were out of control privately and publicly and William had the humiliation of that and no control over them. Sure, he has his own personality as he grew up, but his unresolved anger and control issues are Psych 101 to me. He was the oldest and the one Diana really leaned on when he was to way to young to be her rock. Plus, he lives his life in a small bubble of aristos and Crownie psychophants and it just allows his behavior to grow even worse over time. Harry, got out in the real world and lived and worked with real people and got significant counseling cording to his own admission. Harry has worked hard to be a better man.

    • Ann says:

      I never got the sense there was tension between them before Meghan, but then I didn’t follow them really. I thought that had been fairly close.

      • Nic919 says:

        Harry was either serving in the military or else living at Clarence House so he wouldn’t have been that close once William married Kate and they lived first in Wales and then in Norfolk and KP. Harry didn’t even know Kate was pregnant with Charlotte when an RR asked him about it. Harry did show up to the occasional engagement with them, such as when the Olympics were in London or some of the WWI or WWII anniversary ceremonies, but they act like they were seen hanging out beyond engagements and they simply weren’t. Of course Kate always seemed so happy that Harry was there because her husband generally ignored her in public, but Harry was living a separate life from the married couple. He was dating Chelsy and then Cressida during a lot of that time and they were not seen doing things together outside of weddings. It was another media story to try to create something that was never there.

  8. vertes says:

    Chances are better for reconciliation after Lizzie is gone, either by abdication (unlikely) or death. I think Chuck will be more klikely to offer an olive branch to H & M, if for no other reason than I believe he really does want to see Archie.

    • MyOpinion says:

      @ vertes, I agree with you. I don’t think that H& M will make a concerted effort except for certain circumstances. In regards to PWT, he is the one that should be groveling at Harry’s feet, not the other way around. But they have allowed his bullying nature for too long and old dogs don’t learn new tricks. Has anyone alerted Keen that their marriage is better? As I find that ridiculous beyond words!!
      As for CharLes, he would extend an olive branch. Harry is his son and I don’t think he is as petty as Betty is.
      I would love to know who these sources are in regards to PWT and Harry!!

    • molly says:

      I think this too. Charles has tried to stay out of the thick of things (at least in the public), either out of self-preservation or a genuine love of the Sussexes. Too bad QEII could easily live another 5+ years.

      • Sydney says:

        Charles don’t deserve to see Archie. He’s no different than Thomas. He allowed people to run his son out of the country, what type of future king allows others to run their son out of the country because he simply wanting to work without being held back. Spineless.

    • Wiglet Watcher says:

      CH is getting attacks from KP all the time. I think Charles is foolish, but not dumb. He sees what H and M are building and their success. He sees what W and K are floundering in and might extend an olive branch to the brighter couple for his own popularity.

      • Lorelei says:

        I think Charles will have no choice but to try and bring them back in some capacity once he’s king because he knows he needs them, but imo the family has burned that bridge with Harry and Meghan for good this past year.

        If Charles wants to see Archie, I’m sure he’s welcome to come to California to visit, but after the way they’ve been treated, I don’t think the Sussexes owe anyone in that family anything.

        Plus, they know that no matter *what* they do, the ROTA will trash them, so they may as well just keep living their lives and ignoring that petty nonsense.

      • equality says:

        Charles may see the kinder thing as letting them be free of it all and privately supporting them.

  9. ABritGuest says:

    The anniversary of their insta announcement is today. That was a fun day on SM. They’ve accomplished a lot in the year since which was funny as when they were quiet the rota claimed their LA dream had gone sour & Katie Nicholls said they hadn’t been able to earn income 🤣😂. Sure it’s been extremely challenging too with the sad miscarriage news, ongoing lawsuits& briefings by his family.

    all the rota are out discussing the irrelevant royals’ step back announcement. On sky news Ingrid Seward (we thought Harry would marry an English rose) was saying Meghan didn’t invite the ‘public’ (aka the press) in & how Harry should have told her to show Archie like Diana. Eye roll

    It would be nice if people in the firm could stop being bitter & stop briefing against the Sussexes. The only winners of this ongoing drama have been the press. but whether they can remains to be seen. They talk about the damage the Sussexes have caused but certain people in the firm started this mess& now should try move on from it.

    • JT says:

      Lol. It’s so hilarious to see the RR all doing their year in review the H&M as the focus instead of the RF. None of them were taking about the queen’s speech, the choo choo tour, the Cambridge kids, or Charles’s activities. Poor Sophie doesn’t even exist at this point. It’s all bout Harry and Meghan. Still. I know you’ve mentioned the royals should move on, but move on where? To what? They’ve literally got nothing going on. Lol.

    • L4frimaire says:

      I really hate how people like Seward act like all Meghan had to do was show off Archie for everything to be good for them. It’s sickening the way they position this child as a bargaining chip to appease them and get forgiveness. The few times Archie has been shown, attacks on Meghan ensue, with insults aimed at the baby too. It’s disgusting and the Sussexes don’t owe them one glimpse of a hair on his head. The day she went on maternity leave, was barely visible, there were daily attacks after attack on her in the papers, outrageous stories. They were saying she was arrogant to think she could show off the baby at the Lindo Wing or whatever, then they demanded he be shown or they would be mocked. The press openly threatened them, and the Royal Family gave them carte blanche to. Still angry about it almost 2 years later.

  10. Melissa says:

    Somewhat OT but has anyone else ever paused to imagine the hilarity of William or one of his aides scrolling through the comment section here and realizing that his nickname is Penis With Teeth?

  11. one of the Marys says:

    Meghan has more experience dealing with an abusive family member than Harry. They’ll never reconcile because they have to maintain careful boundaries to ensure their safety. When you stop dealing with an abusive family member it becomes harder on the ones left behind. Those family members direct their anger and whining at you because *you’re* the one causing the problems. You can dip a toe back in, be civil and calm at family gatherings but the relationship will only be as deep as a puddle. Harry would have to see a lot of sincere moves on his family’s part to reconcile with any of them. So yes Harry will appear in the UK and be calm and respectful and nothing more for a long, long time. I really wonder when Meghan and Archie will appear in the UK. If it was me it would be never.

    • lanne says:

      I agree. I wouldn’t have Archie set foot in a country where the media has weaponized a baby. The UK is not a safe place for Meghan or Archie. Not because of the UK citizens, but your toxic media. The media would have to make some seriously conciliatory statements for Meghan to return. If I were Meghan, I’d be thinking, you want me gone, I’m gone.

      Maybe the “olive branch” Charles may extend would be giving them some kind of royal award badge when he is king. Because William sure as hell never will. I could see Charles giving them a commendation as a way to “make up” for all of the ill will.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Lanne ITA. I can see Harry wanting to help his dad (even though Charles doesn’t deserve it) when he’s needed once Charles is king because Harry is actually a good person, but the fact remains that William’s reign will be next, so imo they’re going to stay away from the UK and the family as long as possible.

        And I don’t know how the Sussexes are processing it, but if it were me, it would take a very, very long time to get over the fact that no one in the family ever spoke up in their defense — not even once, not even Charles, their baby’s grandfather ffs, and not even when the media compared Archie to a chimpanzee.

        The family made sure to let H&M know exactly where they stood, all the way up until the end, at the Commonwealth service, and the Sussexes received the message loud and clear. The BRF and the media can regret it all they want now that they’ve seen how successful the Sussexes are going to be on their own, but they made their bed.

        Imo the Sussexes have realized they’re better off as far away from these people as they can get. I’m sure Harry might be sad or wistful about it at times, but then we hear a story such as the one about the wreath and I go right back to thinking they should stayTF away from all of it. The family doesn’t deserve to see them.

    • Wiglet Watcher says:

      I disagree
      Harry has equal or more experience with abusive and dysfunctional family than Megan. He has literally every family member and a tragic death of his mother. There’s so much there. Megan has her father and a half sister.

      Just because Harry stayed civil and respectful in his family doesn’t mean he didn’t realize what was going on.
      Not to mention his family had the BM to amplify the drama and chaos.

      • CC2 says:

        Yep. Meghan’s relationship with her dad only soured when she was royal adjacent/a royal. Or at least based on what we know.

        Meghan’s leaked letter, i believe, mentioned her half sister and even then it basically said that she doesn’t even know her. Samantha can’t even describe a proper encounter because they rarely meet.

        But while Harry has more abusive relationships than Meghan, it just means that Meghan can clearly see the BS for what it is. The joke about Harry being shook that Meghan doesn’t have to set an appointment to call Doria is there for a reason LOL

      • February-Pisces says:

        I agree @WW Meghan has sh*tty siblings but she was never around them. She was close to her dad until he betrayed her, but she was never really around that energy. Harry has grown up with generations of toxic behaviour. He would need years of therapy to heal from it. People love to claim Meghan ‘cuts people off’ but why the hell shouldn’t she, toxic people do not deserve your time and energy and will only take from you. Harry stuck around his abusive family too long. He was the one who was betrayed during this whole smear campaign by the people that are suppose to love and support him the most.

      • Prof Trelawney says:

        as someone reckoning w similar issues, I may be projecting but I really think Harry didn’t fully see it, was prob v confused by mixed messages and weird double binds, but once w Meghan, seeing the way they treated her and his son, was eye-opening. And prob deeply, surprisingly emotionally bonding for them.

        Once you see it you can’t unsee it. I think he’s done. He’ll be polite, maybe even loving at a higher level, but he sees it all and is free of it now. I find it sad but inspiring. And I think H&M are just at the beginning of an awesome growth path, with heart and a true desire to make a positive difference.

      • Kalana says:

        @Prof Trelawney. It’s a common story that people finally respond when they see the abusive treatment directed at someone they love. As long as the abuse stays on them, they continue to make excuses but when they see it directed at another loved one, that’s when it becomes clear and they act.

      • Prof Trelawney says:

        thanks Kalana, that’s really helpful, it’s v v hard, but freeing too…

      • L4frimaire says:

        What happened to Harry is very common when someone marries outside their race. The royals went along begrudgingly because they are so public but once she got pregnant and their popularity surged, the gloves were off. Their family they thought loved and supported them, freezes them out and cuts them off. Benjamin Jealous, former NAACP president, father is from a whiteupper class family who basically cut him off when he married Jealous’ mom. He never met his paternal family. I remember a NYT wedding announcement of a mixed couple, both respected professionals in their field,late 30s. The man, who was white, had a prominent father, some professor from an old WASP family. They mentioned in the announcement that the father would not attend the wedding. This crap happens all the time. Even in my own family, a relative broke an engagement because her father would not accept the guy because he was another race. We have all the royal noise, but this, sadly, is very common.

      • Nic919 says:

        This is a couple that has a painting of a slave boy in their living room. They can’t use being old as an excuse because they are millennials. And we have not seen them with close friends who aren’t white. So they are likely quite racist. Maybe they don’t toss out the n word but their actions strongly suggest they are sheltered and ignorant about racial issues.

    • CC2 says:

      I think Meghan would come back to the UK for her patronages, especially The Hubb. They’re not her close personal friends, but I think she would want to be more active and involved on the ground. I can’t imagine her being happy with conducting everything on Zoom, especially since The Hub ladies have been extremely kind and supportive of her.

      I think her visits would be secret and we would know once it’s published, like her last visit to Mayhew.

      • Keen Kate says:

        I would love Meghan to make a secret visit too, with information released afterwards. Especially to ‘minority’ organisations.

    • Alexandria says:

      If it were me I would appear in the UK for special family occasions only in private. For example if Phillip dies, I’m quite sure there will be a private session for family other than a televised funeral. So I’d attend that. Same with birthdays.

      For supporting patrons and the military, then I’ll just appear in front of cameras.

  12. AnneSurely says:

    My god, I had forgotten how chic Meghan looked in that ivory and blue outfit. She really was showing everyone that you can be modern and still appropriately attired.

    • SarahCS says:

      That’s what I was thinking looking at the two women side by side there. Such a contrast of style.

      • AnneSurely says:

        Some folks have style and taste and some don’t. Having bad style and taste isn’t necessarily a character indictment, but not acknowledging that you have bad style and taste and throwing good money after bad on 10 years of inappropriate and unsuitable clothing is. The RF could have had a properly-attired professional working on their behalf. More’s the pity.

  13. L4frimaire says:

    Have to admit, was actually glad world events and Trumps treason overshadowed the one year anniversary of the Sussexes stepping down. It would have been a major overdrive and nasty blame cycle in the British press, so glad real world events took over. Was such a tumultuous event and the attacks on Meghan were so hate filled and vicious. I really liked them in their royal role, they were so good at it, and miss their public role.I was hoping things would have gotten better when they had returned, but there lives are so much better for them now and they are no longer sitting ducks at the mercy of the British press and taxpayers being used as a stick to beat them with. It’s the Royal family who seem unable to really pivot and move forward with grace, nor am I that interested in them. Brexit Britain is a right wing cesspool who decided to diminish themselves to boost some nationalistic myth, and it’s sad. The times and the news cycle has shifted back across the Atlantic The UK press and royal family will continue to hold a grudge and not admit even the slightest responsibility in all this, but it no longer has the same impact. I’m happy for the Sussexes now. They really are a dynamic couple who really want to roll up their sleeves and not only get to work, but make a real contribution. It’s strange how they are both less visible but we still hear more from them.

    • Lorelei says:

      @L4Frimaire, could not agree more with all of this. As awful as Covid has been in every possible way, the one tiny silver lining for the Sussexes is that it bought them a ton of time during which going back to the UK was off the table and it wasn’t their decision.
      And it’s nowhere near being over with and safe to fly, so they’ve still got some time to figure out exactly how much contact (if any) they want to have with the family.

      • Alexandria says:

        Yes, not to mention having space to grieve for the miscarriage away from the awful people (not even sure they are humans, NO decency at all).

  14. Southern Fried says:

    I’m not giving Charles the benefit of doubt as he’s not once spoken out to defend Harry or Meghan or their child. House of Petty are all hideous people, not worth the dangers of going back to reunite with the royals, especially not Meghan and Archie. Harry is honoring Diana already with his life’s work, Archewell, so missing a statue dedication is meh. If Harry ever does goes to visit it should be in the upmost secrecy.

    • Alexandria says:

      This is true. Cutting a ribbon for a Diana memorial or statue and staying for 30 mins is artificial and easy (I’m looking at you Willnot). Honouring her legacy through Archewell is an even bigger tribute and form of respect. It’s nobody’s business how Harry honours Diana now, especially when he had to walk behind her casket openly!

  15. Liz version 700 says:

    In other words, they will never speak negatively about his family, but they are moving on and have no interest in the games.

  16. Kalana says:

    I think William is totally thrown off by Harry marrying Meghan and then leaving. He sounded like an unhappy ex in that story about carrying on as if nothing had happened. He’s looking for his post breakup glow up with the Covid train tour and Earthshot. William is essentially lazy and self-centered but he’s currently struggling to demonstrate he is living his best life without his brother but I don’t think his Tory buddies and photo-ops with Charles or the Wessexes make up for the loss.

    So at this point the stories about the brothers staying in touch seem to be untrue and just put out there to deflect from what actually happened. There’s a bizarre story in Yahoo entertainment about the Cambridges possibly going to California which seems like such a creep move. The Sussexes won’t engage so the Cambridges will try to leave their stink on the Sussexes’ lives in California.

    I guess no one can get through to the Windsors that fighting with your family like this in public is not very regal. And they’re fighting with Harry because they’re incandescent they couldn’t choose his wife for him and couldn’t abuse his wife and marriage until they caused a divorce while using her as a scapegoat for their scandals. Are they not aware that people can easily see what happened?

    • JT says:

      That yahoo story threw me for a loop. I expect there will be more to come when things finally get settled in regards to COVID. Everyone hates on H&M for being too Hollywood, but Hollywood is where the Cambridge’s want to be. They don’t want to be doing bread and butter engagements, they want the glitz and glamour of meeting celebs and being the talk of pop culture…like H&M. When things get better Harry and Meghan will be allowed to host elegant galas and dinners for their foundation. Attend red carpets for their Netflix projects, host major talks because of their deals with Harry Walker agency. Host charity polo matches in Beverly Hills and Santa Barbara. They can travel worldwide for humanitarian projects without restrictions. They’ve already got those trips lined up because of their partnership with Jose andres. Meg can dress however she wants and now designers will be clamoring to work with her that amazing farewell tour. The RF will be more incandescent than they already are, but they will want to benefit from their shine.

  17. gm says:

    I wonder if the BRF, especially Cambridges have mixed feelings, there is jealousy (then of the attention , now of the increased freedom) mixed with regret (hopefully W truly misses his brother, and decreased ability to scapegoat Harry and Meghan, recall the plane performance as IMO they still try to scapegoat them but it seems to me public interest in the Harry/ Meghan has diminished- don’t get mad CBers! Its all a mixed bag some decreased attention but more freedom). I could tell them the future, forget Harry and Meghan, you will have plenty of drama as George, Charlotte and L grow up, noone will care much about middle aged Will and Harry (look at history from E and M , the Charles, Anne, Andrew, Edward)

    • lanne says:

      I think political events have overshadowed Harry and Meghan for the moment, but the royals are a global soap opera, and when things get back to normal, it’s going to be Sussexes vs Cambridge’s. It’s the only card the media has to play, as they lost their meal tickets through their utter stupidity. I suppose we’ll see less sneering about wokeness from courtiers as well. The royals have a major image problem—the terrorists in DC will likely make the image of right wing politics distasteful around the world. The media will have to watch the way they talk about Meghan, I believe. The royals are right wing racists, but they don’t want anyone to THINK that’s what they are.

      I don’t think Harry and Meghan will be forgotten because they are still part of Diana’s story, and the world loves an underdog, and Harry and Meghan are the only glamorous people in the RF. It’s incredibly sad to me that the rota will be waiting around for the Cambridge kids to grow up. In this age of social media, I think the scrutiny is going to be horrible. When the kids go through their awkward stages, their teen years, their early twenties, they will be major targets. No one in that family has given a thought to protecting them, just as no one protected Harry. Those kids will learn, as Harry did, that the esteem of their country and media is utterly conditional on them doing/behaving EXACTLY as expected. Who will advocate for them? Not their parents. They likely won’t know aunt and uncle Sussex very well. And so the story of the spoiled heir and the dissatisfied spares continues.

    • Southern Fried says:

      I feel like what has diminished is the amount of (nasty) press from the British media since they no longer get so many palace insider leaks. H&M’s press now is mostly by their own design and just the sort of press anyone would make anyone proud.