Why the ‘Meghan made Kate cry’ lie wasn’t corrected: ‘there were clearly two versions’

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Oh my God, you guys, guess what? We’re still talking about who did the crying at the bridesmaid’s fitting before the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s wedding! For nearly two and a half years, we heard one basic version of the story, which is that Meghan “made Kate cry” at the fitting. Over the years, the context of the disagreement and tears changed. In some versions, Kate was crying over Meghan’s general rudeness, either to her or to staff. In some versions, Kate was keenly weeping over children’s tights. In still other versions, Kate was rage-sobbing over the fit of Princess Charlotte’s dress. We were still hearing versions of “Meghan made Kate cry” just days before the Sussexes’ interview. It was insane.

During the H&M’s Oprah interview, Meghan revealed her side of things, which had been missing this entire time. In Meghan’s version, Kate made her cry by being unnecessarily rude, although Meghan did not give specifics about what was actually said. Meghan seemed to avoid specifics out of a desire to protect Kate, to avoid detailing just how bitchy Kate had been to her. Meghan made sure to mention that Kate brought her flowers and a note of apology though. Well, Kate is still really f–king mad that Meghan blew up her dumb, psychotic crying story. People close to Kate (perhaps her mother) already ran to Richard Kay at the Daily Mail once for an absolutely unhinged article about sturdy Middleton blood and how Meghan totally made Kate cry in some alternate reality. Well, Kay is at it again. He and another Mail writer decided to “fact check” the Sussexes’ Oprah interview, and wouldn’t you know, they won’t let this crying thing f–king die.

For almost a week their voices — angry, entitled, vengeful and bitter — have echoed over the airwaves. And in their wake has come the sound and fury of recrimination. Across the globe, the Harry and Meghan interview has divided families, communities and even nations. Its fallout has been greater than anyone could have imagined. We have been bisected by race, by gender and by age….Gripping television it may have been, as Harry set about his family with an at times cold and ruthless detachment, but viewers were entitled to ask — and to expect — that these assertions would be questioned.

Six months after the 2018 royal wedding, reports began to emerge that Meghan had made Kate cry following a fitting for the bridesmaids’ dresses (Princess Charlotte was one of Meghan’s six bridesmaids). But Meghan claims that, in reality, ‘the reverse happened’, telling Oprah that she was the one who had been reduced to tears, not Kate. In her interview, she claimed Kate had subsequently said sorry for the incident, too.

‘It was a really hard week of the wedding. And she was upset about something, but she owned it, and she apologised. And she brought me flowers and a note, apologising. And she did what I would do if I knew that I hurt someone, right, to just take accountability for it.’

Intriguingly, The Times this week shed further light on the episode, reporting that the day after the incident, the Duchess of Cambridge had indeed taken a bunch [of] flowers to Nottingham Cottage, Harry and Meghan’s home at Kensington Palace at the time, as a peace offering. According to the newspaper, Meghan then slammed the door in her future sister-in-law’s face. If that’s true, one can safely assume that both she and Kate were hugely upset. It’s therefore perfectly possible that both cried.

However, a third scenario is presented by perhaps the most compelling source of all: Meghan’s pet journalist, Omid Scobie. In his biography Finding Freedom, published with Meghan’s apparent approval, he confidently declared that no one had cried, saying: ‘There were no tears from anyone.’

Whatever took place during the wedding dispute, Meghan appears to have been hugely upset that the claim she’d ‘made Kate cry’ ended up in print. She told Oprah that she found it ‘hard to get over’ the Palace’s failure to then put her version of events on the record. Later, she elaborated: ‘They were willing to lie to protect other members of the family, but they weren’t willing to tell the truth to protect me and my husband.’

It’s unclear (because Oprah failed to ask) who exactly these ‘liars’ were. Or what ‘lies’ they supposedly told. However, convention would have made it impossible for royal press officers to make any comment on what was a deeply personal (and private) incident in which basic facts were likely to be in dispute. As an insider told us: ‘There were clearly two versions of the same event. Whatever the institution said would only draw more attention to it.’

Palace press officers are, of course, public servants. Unlike Hollywood PR agents, they cannot — and should not — contest every single false rumour.

[From The Daily Mail]

They’re really pissing themselves over this, aren’t they? I can smell the outright desperation to constantly frame Kate as a delicate flower, a weakling who was beset upon by an unhinged American. The white fragility to downright INSIST that Kate cried because of Meghan AT SOME POINT and therefore Kate didn’t actually lie for years… wow. As for the asinine argument that Kensington Palace never denied the story because “there were clearly two versions of the same event”… that means Kate is so ridiculous and crazy that she was Single White Female-ing Meghan and assuming Meghan’s experience and demanding that everyone know that “Meghan made Kate cry.” At least we know who was telling everyone that “Meghan made Kate cry” in the first place. Weird that KP was totally fine with only one of those versions being out there. That’s the “tell” that Kate was always the f–king source.

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  1. Eleonor says:

    When they should STFU they talk, and when they should talk they remain silence.
    It’s amazing how incompetence is the only thing that run in the Firm

    • Diana says:

      Yes!!!!! Was just going to post something similar, albeit a lot less succinctly!

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      You are spot on! Kate is and has always been a mean girl. Having never operated or formed professional relationships in the real world, she is caught in a toxic, cloistered bubble of the RF she sacrificed her all for. Now she is not fit for purpose.

    • My Two Cents says:

      So true! What I find funny is that supposedly, after Meghan slammed the door shut in Kate’s face (which if true, how amazing!), but then afterwards she threw the flowers in the garbage. So who would know that, if the door was slammed in Kate’s face?? It just goes to show the depths of lies they’re getting caught in.
      Meghan, please share the note Kate sent you!

      • Mrs.Krabapple says:

        I mean, EVENTUALLY Meghan must have thrown the flowers away, because they’ll turn brown and die? So “technically” they’re correct! That way they can re-run the claim “Meghan threw Kate’s flowers away” and insist it’s “true.” Same with “slamming the door” — I’m pretty sure the door was “closed” after Kate left.

        I also note how the tabloid uses “wiggle words” such as it’s “possible” that both cried; “the newspaper reported”; “if it’s true”; “her version”; “reports began to emerge”; “likely to be in dispute”; “it’s unclear”; etc. They want to continue to slam Meghan but seem to be afraid of lawsuits. So they bash her without actually reporting ANYTHING substantive. But again, the racists are gonna hate Meghan without any substantive reason to do so anyway.

    • dc says:

      uh??? There are 2 versions???? So why did Kate send Meghan flowers and an apology note? Yes, the flowers are dead, but the note is still very much around.

  2. erni says:

    First, Kate made Meghan cry.
    Then, Kate cried once Kate realized she must now buy flowers and apologize. It’s all because of Meghan, you know???

    Ergo, Meghan made Kate cry.

    • February-Pisces says:

      I think kate got mad when Meghan showed Kate her dress. Kate had always dreamed about wearing a white wedding dress to harrys wedding lol!

      • Seraphina says:

        Now that was funny.

      • Merricat says:


      • Becks1 says:

        LOL that’s funny, but I actually think you are on to something here. What if Kate told Meghan what she was wearing, Meghan was like “really? you’re wearing white?” and Kate went full on Karen in a very “I WEAR WHAT I WANT, I’M FUTURE FUTURE QUEEN, YOU CAN STOP ME” kind of way and that was the reason for the tears?

      • Lorelei says:

        @Becks I said exactly this in one of the threads last week! I forget which day (it feels like there’s been a post about it every damn day since these people won’t drop it). I said something like “maybe Meghan cried because Kate told her she was wearing a WHITE DRESS* to Meghan’s wedding.”

        I know, I know, some people insist it’s pale yellow, but if it was light enough to ignite this much debate, it was too light imo!

    • Yvette says:

      @erni … “Then, Kate cried once Kate realized she must now buy flowers and apologize.”

      And no matter how they try and gloss it over, this is the crux of the incident: Why would Kate buy/bring Meghan flowers and a note of apology if Meghan is the one who made her cry?

      Over the past two and a half years, whenever the royal reporters have defended the Royal Family’s treatment of Meghan they’ve portrayed members of the Royal Family as being nothing but kind to Meghan and claimed every one had reached out to help her. And the royal reporters have always included some form of this in those articles: “Kate was always extremely kind and helpful to Meghan, she even brought her flowers!”

      So, there were definitely flowers and Kate brought them to Meghan. British media and royal reporters know the true version of the story, but they’ve been covering for Kate all this time.

  3. Lauren says:

    They are really ignoring that whole elephant in the room being the note.

    • equality says:

      When Meghan produces the note it will be hard to sustain that “she slammed the door in Kate’s face” story.

      • Ginger says:

        I don’t buy that Kate even delivered the flowers. They have staff for that.

      • Oh_Hey says:

        Yes! Meghan keeps the issue of receipts front and center. She subtly talked about it. She sent Janina out to talk about it. She must have had oprah get gayle to say it loud and clear when she understood folks still didn’t get it.

        Very email, letter, note, and text. I bet good money she has it all. I guess we’ll find out the next time there’s a suit.

      • Jais says:

        Ha! That’s true, ginger. But how can Meghan produce the letter without it being a copyright issue?

      • zinjazin says:

        I guess she can have a trustwirthy person ( like Oprah or a lawyer forexmaple)
        look at it and verify its content?

      • LULU wang was robbed says:

        Meghan is from the world of screenshots and getting things in writing, like her friend Janina said, she has receipts and I bet she’s fully prepared to provide them if/when prompted AS SHE SHOULD

      • Mac says:

        Since the palace is so fond of investigations, they should hire a law firm to get to the bottom of this.

      • Steph says:

        It isn’t a copyright right issue because it’s hey personal property to do what she wants with it not a third party reproducing it without permission or context.

    • GrnieWnie says:

      I would say the elephant is their style of dress. I was in a Christian sect (akin to Mennonites) growing up that had very particular ideas about Christianity. This is exactly how we dressed, hats, pastels, and all.

  4. Elizabeth Kerri Mahon says:

    William possibly cheating on Kate was a personal matter wasn’t it, but KP or other palace sources couldn’t wait to run to Richard Kay to deny the story or the stories about Kate using Botox or hair extensions, but stories involving the biracial Duchess are suddenly too personal to comment on. Have I got this right? Is this really the hill that KP wants to die on?

  5. Nic919 says:

    They continue to pretend that Harry and Meghan wrote Finding Freedom despite stating many times they weren’t directly involved and Omid stating the same. That the crying story was wrong would prove this assertion except these racist bigots continue to doubt Meghan’s own words and imply she’s lying.

    Kate permitted a lie to remain uncorrected for years to boost her profile. They can’t spin that away.

    • Amy Bee says:

      I think the Oprah interview confirmed that Harry and Meghan had nothing to do with Finding Freedom, in fact Omid just repeated a lot of the tabloid stories with a few amendments or additions from people at the Palace. I’m not sure that many friends really talked to Omid except for the person who talked about Meghan’s father.

    • Becks1 says:

      I can see Omid getting it wrong about the tears if he asked someone who was there and Meghan instructed that person to just say the story was wrong, and not to specify why it was wrong. So Omid hears “the story is wrong, Kate never cried” and just assumes that no one cried.

      Either way, I think Omid has a few Sussex friendly sources but he is not and never has been the Sussexes mouthpiece. The RRs are just mad because he can actually call the Sussexes spokesperson and get a statement directly and the Sussexes wont deal with the tabloids anymore, so they all have to wait for someone like Omid or CNN or whoever to get the statement. It doesnt mean Omid is calling Meghan on the regular, it just means that he hasnt been cut off from their press office since he doesnt work for a trash tabloid.

      • Totally agree AMY BEE and BECKS1. The Royal🐀Rota may want to spin and make believe that ‘Finding Freedom’ was some sort of unofficial autobiography but I have never believed that. I think Scobie has good sources, but I think the real problem for the 🐀s is that FF did not join the scorched earth, smear Meghan bandwagon, so they smeared the book to try to frame it as coming directly from Meghan. However, I also think the Oprah interview proves the Sussexes were not involved with his book.

        And as to Kate, and this almost 3 year CRYING story….Girl, you need to Sit. Down. And. Shut. Up. because you’re embarrassing yourself over this. How small and petty and miserable does Kate truly want to reveal herself to be? This is worse than high school mean girling; this is throwing a tantrum in the kindergarten playground. Geeze! 🤦🏻‍♀️

      • Lorelei says:

        Love how they’re all complaining now when all they had to do was treat Meghan fairly, like Omid did. Omid never pretended that Meghan was perfect, but he was always FAIR. The rest of them acted like juvenile, lying, raging pieces of sh!t for four years and now they’re pouting because they have to face the consequences.

  6. Seraphina says:

    So we heard Meghan made Kate cry and now there are two versions to the story. Gotcha. There are always two versions to the story. Even the abusive husband has his own version. Bottom line is that fact that it was Kate who was the catalyst. And yes, they still are pissing themselves over this because not only is Kate at fault – but they lied and perpetuated the lie. And what is delicious is that they keep trying to do damage control. They know how bad it is.

    • Myra says:

      It’s damage control because people were calling her Karen Middleton. So now instead of admitting they were wrong, they have twisted another version where Kate still cries. She would still be a Karen for making demands at another person’s wedding when that person was dealing with a difficult family matter, played out in public days before her big day. She was rude and insensitive. Her apology is meaningless because she then let a false story play out in the media without correcting it. A story which encouraged white people to launch hateful attacks against Meghan on a daily basis.

      • Feebee says:

        “Karen Middleton” LOL

      • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

        I’m so glad I scrolled before posting, because Karen was the first thing I thought of upon seeing the title and reading the body. Jfc. The quintessential Karen.
        I shall forevermore refer to her as Karen Middleton/ Duchess Karen.

  7. Tiffany says:

    Kate was told no for the first time in her life from someone other than Willileaks and she didn’t know what to do with herself.

    That is all this is. She really thought she could tell another bride what to do at their wedding and she has been a douchebag every since.

    • Seraphina says:

      Exactly this, Kate has probably had her rear kissed on various degrees by various entities ever since she began dating Willy. And now, this must be a slap in the face. Reality is the one doing the slapping and Karma is cheering her on.

  8. JT says:

    Good Lord. Let it go already. The fact that they continue to hang on about this is just making people believe Meghan’s version of events. (I believe Meg by the way). And still they have not released an official statement through KP about it, but continue to hide behind sources and aides. If Kate’s version is true, say it with your chest then. Meghan got up there on national television, in front of Oprah and said Kate lied. That gives Meghan more credibility than all of the whining coming from Kate. She wasn’t hiding. Kate needs to take the L and the out Meghan gave her and move on. Damn.

    • The Hench says:

      Also every time they repeat what Meghan said about Kate her reasonableness and kindness toward Kate jumps off the page.

      • Amy Too says:

        They set it all up by claiming that Meghan and Harry’s voices were “angry, entitled, vengeful and bitter,” and then when they actually tell us what she said it’s very measured, incredibly diplomatic, overly kind, and sympathetic towards Kate, making excuses for how it was a hard week for both of them and Kate was upset about something else, and forgiving.

        I hate the way they editorialize these stories. People who didn’t watch the interview for themselves are reading that Meghan and Harry’s voices dripped with vitriol as they coldly and systematically took down each and every member of the royal family who are now crushed, shocked, blindsided, upset, and may never be able to forgive Harry and Meghan for their vicious and unprecedented attacks on poor Kate and the Queen.

      • Anna says:

        @Amy Too Exactly.
        “angry, entitled, vengeful and bitter” as is always how things are framed when Black women speak or even stand up for ourselves the least little bit.

    • Emile says:

      Exactly. The fact that they keep on going back and harping on this story shows they have no credibility (and perhaps they even know it).

      According to CBS, more than 61 million* people have thus far watched the interview globally; for many who were unaware of this story and/or have not followed the RF for the last few years, Meghan’s version is the definitive version. Meghan’s version also carries more weight precisely because, as you point out, she was willing to say it on television in front of everyone – she has nothing to hide. TIME actually has a great article about why H&M openness (contra the Palaces communicating via anonymous sources) will in the long run make their side of the story the only credible version worth listening to — see here https://time.com/5944946/oprah-meghan-harry-interview-effective/

      *I actually think more than 61 million people watched it. I watched it via a Zoom call with more than 20 other people since a friend streamed it, shared her screen, and then we even chatted in the chat box. I assume many more people watched it this way or via other, unofficial, channels that aren’t counted in the official ratings.

      • Amy Too says:

        And the fact that Meghan’s story hasn’t changed. She said it once, on international television, out of her own mouth. Whereas vague and unnamed “palace sources” have gone to basically every single tabloid to present sketchy and vague slightly different versions of what happened over and over again for nearly 3 years now. Neither Kate nor KP have ever officially made a statement about what happened or even IF anything happened.

      • Excellent article. Thanks for the link, EMILE. Agree with you and AMY TOO. Meghan is smart. She did not know that Oprah would ask about this incident. But, Oprah asked, and Meghan responded. I’m sure this will be Meghan’s only comment about this incident.

        Note to Kate’s inefficient PR team and mouthpiece mother: If it’s important, get your facts straight, say it one time, using your own name, then shut up.

      • Donna B. says:

        Also, there is a picture on twitter, which confirms Meghan’s story about the Queen sharing her blanket with Meghan. The reporter/journalist got the picture from someone of the public, which shows two pictures; one of the Queen/Meghan leaving/getting ready to get into the care; & then inside the car with the Queen sharing the blanket with Meghan. I’m saying this because it shows everything that Harry/Meghan spoke of, physical evidence is coming out to back what they states. It’s quite a cozy picture too.

  9. Mina_Esq says:

    I’ve cried after I’ve made someone else cry because I felt bad. It’s possible that BOTH of them cried. What is horrible is that the palace chose to protect only one of these women, when it was so easy to shut down the entire “controversy” and avoid those toxic attacks altogether.

    • Drun says:


    • Amy Too says:

      If that happened, I think Meghan would have said it. Unless you mean Kate went home and cried about it later when she was no where near Meghan.

      • Mina_Esq says:

        Amy: That’s what I mean. If we give Kate the benefit of a doubt, the only thing that changes is that BOTH of the women cried. Meghan was being an adult about it by refusing to discuss it publicly. Finding Freedom had the right approach by basically saying that there was no crying. The whole storyline is dumb. It infantilized Kate, and it vilifies Meghan.

      • Mina_Esq says:

        Amy: That’s what I mean. If we give Kate the benefit of a doubt, the only thing that changes is that BOTH of the women cried. Meghan was being an adult about it by refusing to discuss it publicly. Finding Freedom had the right approach by basically saying that there was no crying. The whole storyline is dumb. It infantilized Kate, and it vilifies Meghan.

      • LynnInTX says:

        My BFF cries when she is angry. Even *if* we give KP the benefit of the doubt that KM cried, who said they were upset/remorseful/sad tears? I don’t see Kate crying because she upset Meghan – either at the fitting (and Meghan said she was the only one crying there, and I believe her) or later on. I could absolutely believe that she shed angry tears though, while raging about both the situation (how dare *that girl* not bow to the FFQ’s wishes!) but also about how she would be expected to apologize.

        Because at that time, if the story had leaked that Kate made Meghan cry and didn’t apologize – it would have put a huge dent in her façade. Louis’ birth didn’t generate nearly as many positive stories as the last two. People were talking about we shouldn’t expect her to do much work (again) for the next few years because of it – that they were seeing a pattern. I saw a Lazy Katie moniker thrown around in a few places. There were already grumblings that she wasn’t helping Meghan out the way people thought she should. IIRC, we already were starting to get the stories about Rose flying every where at that time as well, and about how she was trying to ice Rose out of their Norfolk social circle. Her reputation took a hit. It would have taken a much bigger one if the story came out that she made a bride-to-be cry – not only during the lead up to the wedding, but with the bride was experiencing horrific family stress and situations. A lot of the public was swaying to her side at that time because of Toxic Tom. Even the D – a place I used to love until they became utterly vitriolic over Meghan – had a ton of support for her during that time.

        So yeah, I can see Kate crying angry tears over an expected apology. And when the story didn’t leak, I can see the “brilliant” minds at KP deciding to say “Meghan made Kate cry” to set fire to the gas-soaked logs the tabloids had already put there. And this story exploded and we are still seeing the effects in 2021.

    • Lizzie says:

      Meghan said everyone in the institution knew kate made her cry and that she did not make kate cry.

      • Lorelei says:

        I would think so much more highly of Kate if she’d just spoken up immediately when the “Meghan made Kate cry!” story came out; set the record straight, confirmed that there was some sort of upsetting incident in the stressful days leading up to the wedding (which anyone would understand), but that she’d apologized, Meghan had forgiven her, and they’d both moved on.
        We never would have had to hear about it ever again; it would have dropped right out of the headlines after one day. And Kate would have come out looking good.

        Some people seem to think that apologizing makes them look “weak” or some nonsense, but I cannot stand people who refuse to apologize, ever. If I’m wrong I will absolutely say I’m sorry, and the fact that Kate just can’t bring herself to publicly admit that there even *was* an apology back in freaking 2018 has made this whole thing so much worse.

        I’d have so much more respect for her if she would just own her actions. Every single one of us has fcked up at some point and had to apologize — but I guess since we’re meant to believe that perfect, regal Kate has “never put a foot wrong,” so it would be off-brand for her to admit she’d had an “off” day, even if she’d had handled it well and it was all in the past. These people, jfc.

    • Gina says:

      Can you imagine duchess Karen crying out of remorse? Regretting that she made some woman cry? Being empathetic and understanding other woman’s situation? Especially the beautiful biracial woman who is going to marry Prince Harry? Never.

  10. superashes says:

    Ok, and no one is wondering what, if this version was actually true, would have been so bad that it would compel Meghan to slam the door in Kate’s face?

    That is a lot of words from the Press to basically say, “yeah, sure Kate made Meghan cry, but when Kate dropped off my apology flowers Meghan didn’t accept the apology with sufficient grace, and it hurt Kate’s feelings, she might have even teared up a bit”.

    If this version is accurate, the only thing it undermines where Meghan’s efforts to try to make her look like less of a bad person.

    • NotSoSocialButterfly says:

      You could be onto something here. I could imagine Meghan simply saying “thank you” to Karen when she apologized then Karen expecting an apology from Meghan as well, as she is so incredibly entitled.

  11. MsIam says:

    I read that article, unfortunately. This just shows how stupid Kate and her mother are. They kept pushing the crying story after Finding Freedom came out. They left it in that Tatler revision. Omid gave them an out to drop it. If they had, I doubt Meghan would have brought it up again.

  12. Amy Bee says:

    Kate had many opportunities to correct the story or to deny it outright and she didn’t. In fact when she forced Tatler to remove paragraphs from their cover story on her she left in the story that Meghan made her cry. Now she’s desperate to not be seen as the bully and a Karen that she is. I’m so glad that Meghan got to tell the world the truth about that story. This is why the press and the Royal Family didn’t want Meghan and Harry to do the Oprah interview, they knew that they would be exposed for the liars and racists that they are.

  13. STRIPE says:

    The only thing I’ll say is interesting or new to me here is what Omid said: that nobody cried. I wonder how he got they wrong in the book?

    All for the rest of this, ugh. And I’m sure we have months more of rehashing the same story to go.

    • Amy Too says:

      Meghan did say in the interview that this was a story she never would have talked about as she wanted to protect Kate or at least just not tell the story since it had already been resolved with Kate apologizing. So I’m guessing whomever omid talked to told him that there’s no story here, there were no tears. That way the Meghan made Kate cry would be refuted but she wouldn’t be starting a whole new thing by saying Kate made her cry.

    • ABritGuest says:

      In Meghan’s court case it came out that Finding Freedom got quite a few verifiable things wrong eg where they stayed on a Botswana trip or that Harry had met Doria in LA pre engagement. Those stories came tabloids, and from extracts I saw of FF and even stuff about Meghan’s letter to her dad was straight from the Mail’s articles on it.

      Who really believed that Harry& William fell out because William referred to Meghan as “that girl”? So FF seemed to me like a sanitised version of what happened which you would expect from a fluffy royal bio. This is why the firm was said to be relieved it wasn’t that bad. I thought the stuff on the courtiers was the most accurate about it. What was also interesting was the attempt to pre-empt or react to FF also exposed a lot of sources of the original smears.

      I think the biggest sources for the book were palace staff & only a few friends on all sides contributed to that book.

    • MsIam says:

      My guess is that Meghan told her friends not to talk about it or to say nothing happened. I believe her friends would have had to sign NDAs but Meghan and Kate wouldn’t. So the truth would have to come from one of them.

  14. Tom says:

    There must be a Kleenex box on every table at the palaces what with all the tears and crushed confidence we keep hearing about.

    I understood Meghan’s explanation to Oprah to be mean she has receipts (the apology note) and she’s not afraid to drop them.

    If necessary, Kate.

  15. Sunday says:

    They’ve got a lot of nerve calling Omid ‘Meghan’s pet journalist’ – take a look in the mirror, you sycophants: the only pet journalists around here are you.

    Also, it’s almost as if Meghan’s story conflicting with Finding Freedom is further corroboration that she and Harry did not work with Omid on his book. The mental gymnastics it takes to twist every single little thing against the Sussexes instead of using basic logic are really astounding.

    • MsIam says:

      I bet Omid is laughing all the way to the bank. This sounds so butt hurt, lol. What will they say when Finding Freedom II, the lawsuit edition,comes out!

  16. rosehanbury says:

    In the above wedding photo, where everyone looks at something but keen kate is looking at meghan. From that alone tells you a story.

  17. Izzy says:

    My goodness. Kate is so fragile! I don’t see how she could be strong enough to be queen. 🙄

  18. Petra says:

    Someone please put a head shake emoji for me. I don’t have the energy.

  19. Lou-Anne Farrell says:

    It is quite possible that they both cried. Given the tension around weddings and the fact K. had just had a baby, I’m thinking probably they were both upset with each other in the moment, but that on reflection K. realized it was “her bad” because it was M.’s special day, and brought the flowers. If it wasn’t for the malicious press, no-one would have thought twice about it since.

    • Carrie says:

      Kate wilfully and deliberately did not correct the absolute shitstorm that was created against Meghan for the lie.
      Total bitch.

      • Gingerbee says:

        @Carrie, yes to everything you stated. I cannot believe people are still trying to make Kate a victim, when it was Meghan who was vilified for two years with that lie. Why didn’t Catty, the so called early childhood advocate spoke up. Catty is not a nice person.

    • Nic919 says:

      You are assuming the malicious press weren’t given the story by the malicious sister in law. Why would Kate correct a false story that she put out in the first place? It remains the most obvious reason for why it remains uncorrected.

  20. Becks1 says:

    They just need to let this go. If they keep hammering at it, someone is going to spill the beans about what really happened, and my guess is that it does not make Kate look good at ALL, that’s why the palace is so desperately spinning this.

    As I said a few days ago though – the issue for me at this point isnt the fact that Meghan cried, its that the palace let the lie go on for 2.5 years and never once corrected it, and this WAS something that was often used as evidence that Meghan was a heinous bitch – she made the perfect white duchess cry. and it sounded like that was Meghan’s issue with it too – not the actual incident, but that this lie was allowed to stay out there for years, and even as recently as the Tatler article. I think that’s why she specifically called it out – bc it was clearly never going to go away.

    • Snuffles says:

      Look, at the time, I assumed the whole crying story was just about Kate being post partum and sensitive and just the usual wedding tensions running high but times a thousand because it was an international event Meghan was going through some intense shit with her Dad. Like, no biggie, everyone will get over it and move on.

      But GOOD LORD, Kate’s camp clinging to this story as if her life depended on it just exposes how SINISTER her intentions are.

      • windyriver says:

        @Snuffles – and that’s the thing – if Kate’s camp had put out an article reminding people that Kate had also just given birth to Louis, they’d have gotten the sympathy they’re apparently looking for, and the whole story would likely have dropped.

        Most important, Meghan didn’t say that Kate lied. She said the story wasn’t true, and put the onus on the Firm, not Kate, for not putting out a correction. Said Kate was a good person. She also said, she would never have made the incident public herself out of consideration for Kate. It was clear she knew what the “things” were that Kate was going through – possibly William related?

        Apparently, Kate/her people don’t see any of this. They only see the possiblity that Kate looks like she’s lying, which tells me, a lot of people have guilty consciences, and Kate most likely is lying.

    • MF1 says:

      Yup, if these idiots don’t STFU, Meghan is going to release those receipts. I got the sense she’s 100% done having her good name sullied by the RF and Middletons.

    • EllenOlenska says:

      Not to mention if Kate was in tears at all, the likely reason was Rose bush trimming making her upset….and nobody wants that coming out…

    • Nic919 says:

      I think we need to reframe the real issue. We are using the the word correct as if it was someone else who reversed the facts of the story. After years of letting this stand, it is obvious that the false story was planted by Kate or Carole. This was never an innocent mistake because at this point Kate is silent because she wanted the false story out there. It would not make sense for her to reverse her original attack and the tabloids would end up calling her out for giving them a false story in the first place. So she will double down on the lie.

  21. Snuffles says:

    So, is like the “Meghan made Kate cry” the cornerstone of their entire smear campaign? And if it is disproven, the rest of their smears and accusations will fall like dominoes?

    Because I can NOT fathom why this mutha fuckin’ story WON’T 👏🏽 DIE👏🏽

    • Emily_C says:

      And it’s such a spongey cornerstone. Even if it had been true (which it’s not), it just makes Meghan look like a little bit of a bridezilla on a wedding day that was far more stressful than most of us can imagine. Then it started coming out that Kate was supposedly crying over children’s tights. But we’re supposed to feel this was something absolutely unforgivably terrible that Meghan did to her?

      When Meghan didn’t even do it. If she had, it would not be a big deal, but she didn’t.

  22. Aurora says:

    Is Kate really that insecure and image obsessed? It seems like there is a desperation in all of the embiggening and attempts to portray her as a victim.

  23. Case says:

    “For almost a week their voices — angry, entitled, vengeful and bitter — have echoed over the airwaves. And in their wake has come the sound and fury of recrimination. Across the globe, the Harry and Meghan interview has divided families, communities and even nations.”

    I genuinely thought this came from The Onion.

    Re: who cried, who is more likely to cry the week of the wedding? The sister-in-law or the bride-to-be who is dealing with shenanigans from her dad, unprecedented amounts of pressure, living in a new place with new rules, and trying to prepare for a highly-anticipated, televised wedding? I wonder who…is more likely to cry…

  24. Merricat says:

    “Karen Middleton” is the funniest thing I’ve heard today. I might use it always.

  25. Feebee says:

    As my mother would say “I’m starting to get annoyed now”.

    If there’s a way to make a story worse, KP appears to know how to do that every time. By keeping this story alive and the rather bitchy tone of Richard Kay, it’s making Kate look really bad, like “all this shit is coming from her” bad. Far from being someone who needs being protected and she’s doing as she’s told. No, she appears to be in the director’s chair.

  26. Sofia says:

    I’ve said it before but KP could have put this story to rest by saying “The Duchess of Cambridge was only a few weeks post-partum and The Duchess of Sussex was highly stressed due to planning a wedding to the scale of a royal wedding and issues with her family. A simple disagreement turned emotional for them both because of their circumstances. They have both apologised and bear no ill will towards each other”

    • Carty says:

      But did KP leak the story to begin with? Where did it come from?

      • Sofia says:

        It doesn’t matter who leaked it in the first place or why it was leaked. Although the original story came from Camilla Tominey either in the Times or Telegraph.

        KP works for Kate (and William) hence why I said that they should be the ones releasing the statement

      • MerryGirl says:

        And Cameltoe Tominey is the mouthpiece for Carole Middleton so it’s Kate who leaked the original lie and let it stand. She’s now embarrassed that she’s been exposed to the globe for the liar that she is. Simple.

    • ABritGuest says:

      Exactly. Common sense says it was probably a stressful time for all with Kate just a few weeks post partum & Meghan getting ready for a big wedding with her father giving updates on his attendance or health via TMZ. There was no need for this story to ever have come out.

      The story was leaked after the Oceana tour as part of operation take down Meghan. Don’t forget the original story suggested that Meghans strict demands about Charlotte’s wedding dress made Kate cry.

      Not only did they make Meghan seem like an aggressive diva bullying a post partum mother & her young daughter but there was zero empathy for what Meghan was going through that week. Plus history of how white women’s tears has caused violence can’t be overlooked& I can only imagine the trolling and threats Meghan might have got because of this story. She went from being a victim to the perpetrator. No doubt that& fact it clearly came from people who were meant to have Meghan’s back& was never , is likely why it was so insidious to Meghan.

    • Gina says:

      @Sofia For what exactly Meghan has to apologize? If she is telling the truth, she has nothing to apologize for. If you think she is lying and she made Kate cry, than say it directly. There’s no place for convenient (for Kate only) compromise like both made each other cry.

      • Becks1 says:

        Sofia is a pretty staunch Meghan fan, so I dont think she’s saying Meghan is lying. Rather, I think her point is that there was a way for KP to spin this and not lose face – “both duchesses were emotional” etc – KP was never going to say “no, that’s not what happened, Kate was the one who made Meghan cry.” The closest it was going to get was a “both duchesses” kind of thing. And KP couldn’t even do that.

      • Sofia says:

        If you’ve read the comments on this site for the past year, you’ll see that I’m a pretty big Meghan supporter, as Becks notes

        And I did not say Meghan should apologise or that she did anything wrong. I just said that this would have been a way to safe face for Kate because, as Becks notes again, they’re not going to say “Yup! Kate made Meghan cry!!!”

    • Nic919 says:

      The answer is that KP can’t reverse a story they put out in the first place because then the tabloids would have more leverage against the Cambridges for putting out false stories about Meghan. The tabloids know that if KP suddenly tried to deny the story, they would counter with… well why did you lie in the first place.

      • windyriver says:

        Still, the smart move post interview would have been to say nothing. Meghan didn’t blame Kate for the original story, didn’t blame her for the fact it wasn’t corrected. Made it clear Kate had some of her own behind the scenes pressures, and complimented the fact that she followed up in exactly the way Meghan would have. Frankly, it’s the best PR Kate’s had in, forever – because it wasn’t some RR kiss ass piece fake-embiggening her, it was an on air statement by the sister-in-law she’s supposedly been at odds with, giving her props.

        So, who decided to blow all that up by bringing the who-made-who cry saga up, yet again? Kate/Carole? KP staff? The media?

  27. Ann says:

    Good Lord, I can’t get past the melodramatic tone of the first paragraph. Forget the crying thing, the interview has divided nations and families, people! It’s the shot heard around the globe! He makes it sound like a damned civil war. No, it’s just the fallout from one toxic family’s bad behavior toward a newcomer.

  28. Pamuk says:

    Kate has really been toppled, my young niece, 14, said that kate has become the symbol of a school bully, her and her friends think she’s horrible. A week ago, they wouldn’t have know her if she paraded in front of them. My niece spent our Sunday zoom call pointing out all the reasons she dislikes keen. It was not my place to disagree, i certainly wouldn’t want her to think keen is anyone to emulate. The younger generation is firmly camp sussex and even if the lambridge kids have charisma, their parents are so vile no one will care.

    • Anna says:

      lol love this! Listen, the kids get it, at least the majority of them do, I’d like to think (until they are indoctrinated by white supremacist parents in both overt and covert manner). Reminds me of the memes of 2020 babies giving side-eye minutes after they’re born. 🙂 This generation…I’m hopeful that they are coming into it eyes wide open and into a world so deeply f-ed that they simply do not have the time to indulge any b.s.

  29. Commonwealthy says:

    “Or what ‘lies’ they supposedly told. However, convention would have made it impossible for royal press officers to make any comment on what was a deeply personal (and private) incident in which basic facts were likely to be in dispute. As an insider told us: ‘There were clearly two versions of the same event. Whatever the institution said would only draw more attention to it.’”

    Royal Press Officers comment on whatever they want to comment on! We have so many comments! On so many things! All they do is comment! And, Kate let this deeply private lie for so long, why should Meghan keep the truth private? What the hell kind of upside down gaslighting is this?

    Anyway, I’m glad to see a wider audience of mostly Americans starting to question the bias of British reporting on the royals, the sudden rise of pro-Kate bots, and the fact that Kate’s press is mainly “how elegant gracious tall thin mute” she is, rather than on the orgs she visits or their work.

  30. Mel says:

    Everyone needs to be quiet now, ESPECIALLY Kate and her team. Meghan has her receipts. I noticed how she always mentioned she sent a letter /email or received a letter/ email. As anyone knows who has dealt with dysfunctional nonsense, you create a paper trail so you have back up when it hits the fan. She has Kate’s letter of apology, do they really want to keep pushing it so she can release it and put them on mega blast? I don’t think so, let it go.

    • Farfromreality says:

      I get the feeling they are NOT registering the fact that Meghan has receipts. Which is pretty consistent, given the intelligence of the people we’re talking about.

      • Becks1 says:

        I mean, they must be dumb as dirt if that fact isnt registering. Meghan said it, Janina said it, Gayle King said it. And my guess is that Janina and Gayle both know for a fact about the “receipts,” and that Oprah knows as well – I would not be surprised if Meghan showed her some things off camera or after the interview to back up some of her claims.

        *receipts here obviously being Meghan’s very careful paper trail.

  31. February-Pisces says:

    Kate’s only USP is that she’s “nice”. That’s it, she has nothing else. Meghan is smarter, more articulate, accomplished, more glamorous and has more star quality. So all kate has is “nice”. Expect that she doesn’t even have that. That is why so many keen stans are desperate to believe kate is really ‘nice’ and that Meghan is a ‘manipulative liar’, because they can’t have Meghan surpass Keen on the only thing she has.

    When you build you image on being a wholesome ‘nice girl’ there is no room for controversy, their image won’t survive, because once people see through the cracks then they will never see you the same way again. I mean would anyone give AF is Madonna or cardi B made someone cry, no. But when someone like Taylor Swift who create their image on being ‘wholesome’ and ‘nice’ , got caught lying about Kanye, people don’t really look at you the same way.

    The cracks have appeared, now watch it break.

  32. Chelsea says:

    This past week has made me wonder: did the Brits invent gaslighting? Because my GOD are they good at it. Area “reporter” who wrote an entire article about how OFFENSIVE it was to insinuate that Kate fell out wirh her ‘rural rival’ Rose wants to talk about people being mad at a false narrative being out about them and having pet journalists? LOL

    Also: if palace aides never get into stuff like this where tf did this story come from in the first place? The only people at that fitting were Meghan, her goddaughters, her goddaughers’ parents,who were all long time friends of hers, Kate, and staff. Is he just blatantly admitting that Kate started this story? It obviously didnt come from Meghan’s side and he is also gaslighting on the response Meghan wanted. I think the corection she wanted was what was in Finding Freedom: to say there was no fight and to move on. I don’t think she wanted Kate to be unmasked for the bitch she is at that time; she just didn’t want her good name tarnished. But instead of leaving well enough alone they’ve continued to defame her even after she left the freaking country.

    Yet the big issue is that not only did the palace refuse to put out a statement they also refused to give a correction obackground which we know they’re capable of doing or to allow her friends to give comments on background. That last part mig3hr actually be the biggest issue here; they refused to let the people who love Meghan defend her when she couldn’t defend herself. Those people like Janina have not forgotten that and theyre still pissed about it and the other things they bore witness to. The Firm should tread very carefully.

  33. HK9 says:

    The stupidity of all this is astounding. Megan has receipts-don’t they understand this??

  34. Murphy says:

    It’s believable because Kate has a history of this. She did it to Beatrice too.

  35. Scout says:

    Some points stay the same. Meghan was the villain and Kate was the victim. Meghan attacked and Kate defended. Meghan was morally inferior while Kate was morally superior.

  36. ennie says:

    So, maybe they both cried.
    I am a big girl, but my waterworks are really out there. Usually I cry because I get upset, others but people can also cry if they get really angry. Which was which?
    I am willing to say that Kate made Meghan cry AND then she might have cried too, because she saw what a mistake she’d made.

  37. Merricat says:

    KM is the Sharon Osbourne of the royal family. How dare we make Meghan’s wedding about Meghan, when KM has THOUGHTS and also FEELINGS about it?

  38. Clementine says:

    At this point, to me, the so called “royal” family are in the same league as the Trumps. Penishead is just a younger Trumpelstiltskin with a better skill to pretend at being normal. The racism, the entitlement, the disregard for anyone but himself/themselves, the misogyny, the grifting, the lazyness, the petty vindictiveness, the utter lack of true empathy, the willingness to endanger others to get what they want…. Actually, the Trumps wish they could play in the grifters Premier League like the Windsors. I wish the House of Windsor to crash and burn. Hard, hard, hard. They need to be over and cancelled. Forever. It’s long past their time.

  39. Anna says:

    Why does it have to be that they both cried? Why is Kate still being given so many chances? See, this is what it’s like for Black women the world over. We are mistreated, we have the receipts to prove it, but people still want to be like “well, there’s two sides”. No. Call it like it is. KM was out of pocket as she has been in the past, tried to hide it, and now that it’s come out, she wants to re-write history as it seems others here want to do, no matter how supposedly well-meaning. This is why there is never justice for Black women and girls. Even when we’re 100% right with receipts, we still have to fight for sympathy space and to simply be believed, with the “maybe they both cried” nonsense. I’m sorry but I’m just so tired of this.

  40. Tess says:

    Omg they all need to stop beating this dead horse, no1curr. They could’ve both been crying. Maybe Kate was already upset and snapped and that made Meghan cry and then Kate cried too. Maybe Kate was bitching about something and Meg’s already frayed nerves had enough and Kate cried first and then Meg cried too. It was still Meg’s wedding and you don’t stress out the bride just out of basic decency because it’s not about you it’s about her/them. Even if she’s being a bridezilla and making you completely miserable, you try to just extricate yourself as discreetly and politely as you can muster because it’s not the time or place to bring her down a peg.

  41. Annalise says:

    I completely believe Meghan’s version of the who-made-who-cry, but is it true that Finding Freedom stated that NO ONE cried after/during the pre-wedding incident?? I haven’t read FF but I have to admit I’m a bit bothered by that possibility…….while I don’t necessarily think that H&M directly gave info to Scobie, certainly they INDIRECTLY provided info……I guess I should read FF to find out if the assertion is true in the first place!

  42. MerryGirl says:

    I cannot believe how many people are both siding this issue. Kate was not cooperating at the flower girl fitting and her behavior made Meghan cry. Meghan accepted her apology and put the matter to rest. However, the issue that makes Kate a Karen is that 6 months later after the Oceana tour, Kate revises the story and leaks to the press that Meghan made her cry and everyone knows that when a white woman cries, a black person is in danger. Kate ‘Amy Coopered’ Meghan and let that lie stand knowing Meghan would be viewed as the angry black woman. KP refused to correct the story and Meghan nor her friends were allowed to clear her name until now. Let that sink in how evil the smear campaign was to let Kate be the good white duchess and Meghan be the villain….built on a LIE.

  43. Dropbear says:

    This. William and Kate really are the Douchebag and Douchebaguette Cambridge with this ongoing victim mentality overdrive and serious lack of self awareness

  44. Well Wisher says:

    I am at a lost as which trope the reporting of this incident is following ,but cannot help to note that Kate also made Eugene cried an a former occasion, when she turned up to a 60s-themed party dressed inappropriately because Kate omitted to inform her about the specifics of the dress code.

  45. SMS says:

    I think the DM blackmails royals and celebrities by threatening to release unfavorable stories if they don’t leak or if they deny a story. The DM is clearly invested in the Kate cried story which has a huge number of deranged anti-Meghan comments. Could they have some inside info on the Middletons? Maybe they know about affairs, tax cheating, royal bailouts? There was a rumor of this happening in the war of the wags. One was forced to leak stories to keep them from publishing something nasty about her husband. I think Diane and Fergie also leaked about each other when they wanted to cover something up.

  46. Payal says:

    I can’t be the only person weary of this story of how two almost 40 year old women may or may not have made the other one cry over a toddler’s dress. I would be embarrassed to admit it

  47. Elegant says:

    I think MM’s comment about “she was upset about something” refers to prince William cheating on Kate. He supposedly cheated on her during third pregnancy and she had just given birth so maybe just found out about his infidelity and that’s why she snapped

  48. Billie says:

    I hate that peach outfit from Trooping the Colours so. Much. On her, and just in general. I usually like her looks, but I loathe that one.