Post-Oprah-interview, Prince Charles has not been as melodramatically reactive as the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. Sure, Charles let it be known that he “is at a loss” over the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s interview and their side of the ordeal. Charles also let it be known that he wanted to do a “point by point rebuttal” of the interview, which sounds about right for him too. But post-interview, Charles has been happy enough to let Kate and William make asses out of themselves while he plays a longer game. There are stark differences in how Clarence House is leaking to American outlets versus British outlets too. Last weekend, this is how Charles’ allies were describing his mood and reaction:
Details of the independent inquiry came as allies of the Prince of Wales accused Harry of “hypocrisy”, challenging his claim that his father had “cut him off” financially. They said Charles was “upset and cut up” about Harry’s remarks during the couple’s interview. A source close to Charles said: “It was a surprise to hear he’d been cut off, given the bank statements. The prince continued to provide Harry and Meghan with financial support after their move to America, while they found their feet.”
A friend of Charles said: “What f***ing hypocrisy. When Harry and Meghan left last year, they wanted to become ‘financially independent’.”
In a further move against Harry and Meghan’s claims, royal sources have expressed dismay at the couple’s allegation that they received no help from the institution when she felt suicidal. Harry added he had not told his family about her mental health struggles because he was “ashamed”. A royal source said: “To throw that at the family, I just couldn’t believe it. His mental health, and hers, were such an open part of the office. Given the number of staff that worked with them, it was a very open part of the conversations generally.”
Notice Charles’ allies didn’t say anything about how Charles refused to take Harry’s calls in the winter of 2019/20 And Harry’s main beef was that Charles signed off on the withdrawal of their security. Charles was literally okay with his son, daughter-in-law and grandson dying in North America. Anyway, as you can imagine, Charles’ camp takes a much softer vibe when speaking to an American outlet:
During the couple’s bombshell interview with Oprah Winfrey earlier this month, the Duchess of Sussex said there were “concerns and conversations about how dark [Archie’s] skin might be when he’s born” within the royal family. Although they did not specify who made the comment, Oprah later clarified that it was neither Queen Elizabeth or Prince Philip.
Prince Charles “feels enormously let down” by the claims of racism made in the interview, a source close to the royal household tells PEOPLE in this week’s cover story.
“The prince believes in diversity and his actions show that,” the source continues. “He was the first person to highlight the Windrush generation [the first mass immigration from the Caribbean to the U.K. in the 1950s] and the contributions they made to British society. He has worked hard for the Muslim community. Of all the members of the royal family, he has taken this issue the most seriously.”
“It’s not a straightforward father-son relationship,” the palace source says. “He is their father and their boss, and they are beholden to him to fund their offices and lives.”
Meanwhile, Queen Elizabeth is “worried” about how the racism claims affect the Commonwealth, the 54 countries around the world which view the Queen as their monarch and head of state.
“She will be very worried about how [the racism claims] have gone down in countries she has supported and loved and given her life to throughout her reign,” says a royal insider.
While I don’t like Chuck very much at the moment, I am willing to go out on a limb and say that he probably is the *least* racist in his family? That’s not some big prize or anything – clearly, the family is exceedingly racist, so it’s like saying that Chuck is the least racist Klan member. He’s still a member of the Klan! And I’m really starting to feel like Charles probably wasn’t one of the people explicitly talking about the baby’s skin color. I think that was William. Which makes me wonder why Charles is even worried? If the blind item is revealed and it’s William who remarked about skin color, then Chuck is “cleared.” Oh, wait, that would mean his heir is a racist douchebag who is constantly incandescent with rage and Chuck actively tossed aside the better son because William threw a tantrum.
… And of course the Queen is worried about the Commonwealth. She should be.
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“Some of his best servants are Black. He even found a Black woman attractive and complimented her once!”
He can’t be racist, y’all, he has Black subjects, they even pay the same amount of taxes than the White ones to support the royal family, that’s believing in diversity and equality.
Haha. Of course he’s not a racist some of his best subjects are black. Except he forgets to mention his black PA that he allegedly allowed his white manservant to bully and call the N word. It’s pathetic how self centred and self involved he is. His lack of self awareness was talked about in detail by Diana.
Very much not a racist family thank you very much.
Just ex -imperialist, ex- colonizers, ex-theiving, ex-looting family, you know happens sometimes.
But now? Very much woke.
Aren’t they still looting from UK taxpayers and say, Canadian taxpayers for that GG role…?
Yes. Yes they are.
How woke can this jerkwalter be? He literally has blackamoor statues IN. HIS. HOUSE.
I *knew* his gambit to offer to walk Meghan down the aisle was to show “see, I’m not a racist”.
I knew it was BS then, and I still believe he’s full of BS now.
Their mental health shouldn’t have been staffed out at the Palace. It required treatment by qualified licensed professionals, not an effing secretary.
I tried looking it up; what does “staffing out” mean in this context? Addressed by? I want to respond to what I think you’re saying but I don’t want to be totally off base.
Then why does he have black bodies in servitude as part of his household decor? Charles is no different than many white liberals who see themselves as progressive and inclusive, but will judge a person of colour unfairly when they enter a space exclusively and historically meant for white people.
Yeah, he may think he’s not racist, and the family may not think they’re racist, but they all freaked the eff out when one of their own married a black woman. It sends a clear message – they’re fine with black people as props(looking at you will and kate) or as staff; they are not okay with black people as equals. That’s why there was such a push to constantly remind Meghan of her place.
Precisely. Don’t let us forget that they are so tolerant of black entertainment, singers, dancers, sports people and LOOVE blackamoor brooches, paintings, lamps etc Yes they love all black everything except all black humanity.
Harry really didn’t think he was racist until he started dating Meghan and begin seeing the way people treated her.
@Becks I know people who are perfectly fine with POC doing their landscaping or painting their houses. They might even offer the workers a cold drink on a hot day, then pat themselves on the back for how magnanimous and not-racist they are.
But these people would have a VERY different attitude if one of their children brought home a Black boyfriend or girlfriend…that’s when the true feelings would come out, but they would couch their dislike by saying things like, “I can’t put my finger on it, but there’s just *something* about him/her that bothers me!” etc. Similar to the “niggling” concern stories we got from the British press about Meghan.
I almost might believe that Charles is the least racist in the BRF because he just flat-out comes out with statements like “sending his regard to all of the ethnic groups!” and last year (I think?) when he said right to that woman’s face, “You don’t look like you’re from Manchester!”
I mean, of course he’s racist. The entire family is. But out of all of them, I believe that *Charles* believes he’s the most enlightened of them, and that it’s, idk, “charming” or something when he has these stupid gaffes.
This! He even dated black women before Diana but those are women for ‘now’ ,to step out with, not to marry. Marrying types like Diana were for later. Just because he dates black women and has good community relations with POC doesn’t mean he thought marrying a black woman was desirable thing for royalty to do. The language (‘One wonders’) used by Harry to describe the concerns over the baby’s skin colour was his. William does not speak like that.
As someone mentioned, he goes by the creed that you date black women, but you don’t marry them. How progressive!
It’s clear Charles believes that work with minority communities absolves him from any accusations of racism however, he doesn’t know what racism is.
HE SENT HIS REGARDS TO ALL THE ETHNIC GROUPS. What more do people want?
Yes! He thinks diversity is the same as equality but racism exists in diverse societies. South Africa under apartheid is an example of a diverse and racist society.
In any society where one category of people assumes superiority over different categories then that is prejudice and prejudice can lead to discrimination. E.g men assuming superiority over women.
ugh. even if charles truly believes he has never been racist (LMAO), the entire idea of his family and their “work” is extremely racist. that these cousin marrying weirdos were ordained by god to have absolute power over an entire population of people but the only way to maintain that birthright is to marry other people, usually related, also given the same birthright to dominate is extremely racist. what this tiny group of “blessed” birthright people did to the world through colonization that is ongoing is extremely racist. charles doesn’t want to be racist, he can dismantle the monarchy because it is beyond bananas that someone should be an absolute leader because of their parents, come on.
Karma is the one playing a long game for the blood and tears shed because of the British Empire. She sent a Black American to set in motion the wheel of justice.
Enjoy your ride, BRF.
I think Charles still employs Michael Fawcett who called a member of staff the n-word. The staff member is the woman who filed a complaint.
Charles is racist. He has said and done racist things. He has blackamoor imagery in his home. He centers his own feelings instead of examining his behavior and as a privileged and major public figure in the UK, he provides huge cover for other racists and white fragility in general.
White savior behavior and basic civility and manners is not the equivalent of not being racist. The bar is not so low that not becoming deranged around BIPOC is the equivalent of not being racist.
Yup, and that’s the staff member that Harry and Meghan didn’t want to work with which resulted in a whole slew of stories about them being rude to him and difficult in general.
Exactly. It is so irritating to see people telling black people who know how racism feels, smells and looks when they have no idea. They don’t know that its racist to cross the street if you see a young black man in a hoodie walking toward you. They think because they didn’t call the young man a racial slur that they are not racist. Charles and Camilla have gigantic blackamoor lamps in their homes.
It was definitely William who asked about the skin color, and that’s why its such a secret and such a big deal. If it was someone like Charles? Sure, that would be damaging, and that would hurt his image as the least-racist Klan member (love that way of putting it lol) but I feel like most people in the UK (and the world) are just seeing Charles’s reign as a temporary one on the way to William. There’s such a feeling of “well when WILLIAM is king” or “we just have to get to William as king” and that’s why I think *all of this* would be so bad for the Crown – the affairs, the cover up in the media, the blatant racism – its not something that can be brushed aside by saying “but look at who’s next!” It would lay bare what so many of us have said here for ages now – that the House of Windsor is toxic and abusive and damages all who are a part of it.
That’s the issue with the interview- the damage it is doing to william.
Remarks about skin tone sound like they’d originate with William. But remember the other comments Meghan made about titles for Archie. Among other things, she said there was discussion about making sure Archie never had the Prince/HRH titles that should be his (at age 18?) once Charles became king (the George V convention?). That sounds like something that would involve someone higher up than William (Charles).
The titles and security are still such a weird issue IMO, because you are right, that would have come from Charles, not William. But it could have been a joint discussion – “let’s change the rules so he’s not HRH so he can never ‘compete’ with the my kids.” While it would have been Charles’s decision I can see William pushing for it. Neither of them are sterling examples of not-racist people.
Yeah, I was pretty sure the title conversation included Charles. Other monarchies has done the same, some in resent years. Had they decided on a change where only the heirs children are HRH BEFORE Meghan and Harry started dating, it wouldn’t be an issue. With all the racist articles going on, it’s a really bad PR move to chang the rules for the first mixed race “blood prince”. They are so unbelievably stupid!🤦♂️
I thought it was William at first, but I now think it was Charles. Wanting to do a point by point rebuttal suggests to me he is at the center of much of it and wants to justify and excuse away his racist behavior.
I agree, I’m sure William had plenty to say about the titles, but at that level it had to be Charles in charge. I’ve lost track of/am confused about Meghan’s comments about current titles for Archie, but wasn’t that an issue too (re: security)?
But remember, the other thing that happened is, Harry and Meghan were NOT asked to do the usual photo op on leaving the hospital. It might make sense to make changes along the lines of what other monarchies have done. As @ Couch potato says, the appropriate time to do that would have been before Harry started dating Meghan. Even in the event the decision to change how titles were awarded was made later (because Charles had more power as TQ and Philip got older) and hadn’t been made public yet, BUT and Harry and Meghan were aware of it, the time to announce it would have been before she gave birth to Archie. Instead, they allowed her to be lambasted in the press for weeks over their supposed plans not to appear at the hospital.
Charles definitely has the most say regarding titles, but I’m sure William gave a piece of his mind on the matter too. Remember the reports of him teaming up with Angela Kelly to make sure Meghan couldn’t wear any of Diana’s (crown-owned) jewelry.
I’m turning this over in my head and its starting to make sense, that it was William who was hot to trot over the titles – and while Charles may have agreed, I just dont think it would have been his hill to die on. But it would be different for W.
William pushing for the change in titles would make sense in context of “why wasnt this decided when the titles were changed for the Cambridges.” Because there never was any intent to change it, Harrys kids were always going to be HRH when Charles was king. William, when actually faced with the prospect of there being direct competition for his kids in terms of the “royal generation” (since Harry and William’s kids, under the rules, would be the last new batch of HRH, no big sprawling family of cousins etc), and realizing how popular Harry and Meghan were/are, freaked out and wanted to take them down a peg, and this was the best way to do it. In a family obsessed with hierarchy, even though William’s kids would always be higher in the line of succession, its starting to seem clear that this was a shot across the bow to remind Harry of his place.
I wonder if the change will still be made, and if it will apply to William’s kids as well – like Louis’s kids will not be HRH even if William is king if/when he gets married and has children.
Since William is the one known as the brazen racist by his RAF buddies I am confident he asked about the skin colour and likely talked about not giving Archie a title once Charles is king because William doesn’t want a non pure white HRH to deal with.
I don’t see Charles wanting to remove something like that from his own grandson because it would look incredibly racist on his end… something william doesn’t seem to care about.
Yeah, it was William! Harry pretty much pointed that out when he said there’d been talk about it early on, before he married Meghan. That’s why Harry got so mad at his brother during the “slow down” conversation. He wouldn’t have reacted that way if his brother was merely advising him to slow down.
If everything Willileaks has done over the years, even before Meghan came along, had been revealed, his public image would have been ruined. The aristos and higer-ups already know, and don’t give a shit, because many of them are just as fucked up as he is, but the grannys around in UK would choke on their tea if they knew what their golden boy was really like. They are the ones who’s loyal to the crown. I think the younger generation understands and sees more of the shitshow. They might have been completely ignorant to the RF, but the interview + the crown has made the younger generations fully aware of how dysfunctional the Windsors are. They’re going to be “the plebs” when Willileaks becomes king. They’ll be the MPs and hold government positions, and after years of struggle in the wake if Brexit, they might have had enough and take down the monarchy once and for all.
It was William. I re-watched the Oprah interview and as Harry was telling her about how awkward and shocking it was for this unnamed individual to have made that statement (actually it was several statements to Harry BEFORE he even married Meghan) about what their kids would actually look like.
As Harry spoke the camera lingered on Meghan’s face and you could see the hurt and anger being kept under control. From the way Baldy and Mumbles behaved in the church, it is clear where much of the hostile attitude came from.
Mumbles, lol.
Yup, Meghan has always seemed uncomfortable around Baldy. She seemed OK, even friendly, with Charles, which I don’t think would be the case if he had made a racist remark about her potential children.
I agree, MF1. I don’t think Meghan would have agreed to Charles walking her down the aisle, nor do I think she would have seemed as comfortable as she did around Charles if he made the comments. I mean you got stories about M + H going up to Scotland to spend time with him and Camilla and Charles giving her that nickname “Tungsten” or whatever about her being so strong. (That’s a story for another day.) You are 100% spot on when you say that Meghan has always seemed uncomfortable around William. It’s clear as day when you look back at any pictures of joint engagements/appearances and he rarely, if ever, interacted with her directly.
I agree that it was most likely William who actually made the comment to Harry about the skin color.
But the fact that the family was unable to immediately and forcefully deny that any such comment had been made by any of them? That is — or should be — a huge fcking problem for them.
Most people automatically assumed it was either Charles or William. So either way, the heir to the throne is a racist. Some “expert” claimed that if Harry had explicitly come out and said that it was Charles, that the monarchy would be done for. But I’m not so sure. I do not think all Brits are racist; not at all. But enough seem to be; *someone* is buying the Fail and the Sun and taking part in those stupid polls, so it seems there’s definitely a segment that would be fine with it.
ITA with Becks that Charles is likely viewed as so temporary, a quick stopover before William’s reign, which is why keeping William looking good is everyone’s highest priority. But they can only keep up the facade for so long.
If William is actually a serial cheater with a short temper who terrorizes his staff (and likely his wife as well), I don’t think they will be able to keep that hidden from the public forever. William will be his own undoing, imo. His anger and jealousy issues are so pervasive that they seem to override everything else about him.
I know Chuck isn’t well liked here; I just don’t see him as the worst player in this whole drama (William). He is a human, and sorry, I can see him taking Meghan and Harry at their word that they wanted to be financially independent. From the perspective of the Crown, M & H were FAAFO.
He probably does have a lot unexamined racial biases, or possibly even examined but not totally resolved, and I think the ongoing existence of the Royal Family, perhaps one of the most racist institutions in terms of actual harm done to numbers of people around the world using race as an excuse, is a huge blind spot for him, but he’s put in the work. He really has done a lot of charity work with other groups that previously the Royals would never have deigned to work with.
But that wasn’t Harry and Meghan’s word and he knows it. Their manifesto said “work towards financial independence” not jump off the cliff. He wanted to make it hard for them, thank god for Tyler Perry. But Charles knows that makes him look shitty, hence these claims from friends about “bank statements” and what not.
Exactly. Charles shoved them off a cliff to make it SO hard for them that they would come crawling back. While Harry hoped for a grace period to get himself settled. Charles refused.
Charles wanted to change the rules regarding titles so that Archie wouldn’t be entitled to one when Charles became King. Why would he want to do that with Harry’s children?
From everything I’ve read, I don’t think that’s accurate.
@Betsy. He *didn’t* want to change the rules (the Letters Patent) – which would impact the family universally. He and others wanted to refuse only the children of Harry and Meghan titles and security. Three guesses as to why, the first two don’t count.
Also, he may have taken Harry and Meghan at their word about financial independence but nobody forced him to cut them off while proclaiming to the world he was still supporting them.
No matter what his charity work has been in comparison to other Royals, he assisted in bullying his pregnant suicidal daughter in law and endangering his own son.
Because the likelier person to want to remove titles from Harry’s kids is William. Charles is probably the usual boomer type who doesn’t think he’s racist but has a lot of biases. William has been outed as a brazen racist and by RAF guys, not known to be the most progressive or politically correct type of guys.
Harry was pretty clear about his issues with Charles and they related to money.
I think it was Charles and William together. If Charles is indeed handling the reins of family business, then as the next heir I see no reason why Charles would allow William’s opinion on how the titles/security in the family would be distributed or restricted so much traction unless he himself was going along with it.
Charles doesn’t have biases. He’s racist, even if not as loud about it as William.
Diana.
@Nic ITA that William would have been the one pushing for the change in title/status.
But if Charles is so weak that he can’t see how awful it would be to make that change JUST in time for it to take effect for the first biracial member of the family, and too ineffectual to shut it down no matter how much William wanted it, I don’t know how he can inspire feelings of confidence in anyone. How can anyone take him seriously as a leader if they know he’s essentially being bullied by his own child?
I’m sure Charles is just thinking “it’s just protocol, nothing personal.” That still doesn’t change the fact that Harry and Meghan’s security threat was still sky high. Harry clearly wanted a grace period and time to find his own security before he got cut off and Charles didn’t give it to him. He’s probably also pissed at Charles for not doing anything to curtail Kensington Palace’s dangerous leaks. That whole family is letting William run riot.
As far as racism goes, I’m sure Charles brand of racism is far more subtle vs William’s which is, by all accounts, blatant and in your face. Just because Charles thinks he’s some sort of white savior and that minority communities should be grateful for his largess, doesn’t mean he doesn’t have unconscious biases. He still thinks he is divine and superior by birth. He still thinks nothing of his family’s brutal colonial history and does nothing to acknowledge or confront it. He still enjoys the spoils that his family pillaged and pilfered from black and brown nations. He’s still just staggeringly ignorant about the black and brown communities he claims to support.
And it’s one thing to occasionally come down from your ivory tower to do something nice for “coloured” people and quite another to welcome one of them into your family, mix blood with them. His inaction when the tabloids came for Meghan spoke volumes because deep down, he didn’t think she was worth protecting.
@Snuffles
Ive said this before and I’ll say it again: its loooooong past time that folks should stop talking abt “unconscious bias.” Theres. No. Such. Animal!!
If, as you say: “Just because Charles thinks he’s some sort of white savior and that minority communities should be grateful for his largess, doesn’t mean he doesn’t have unconscious biases.” …this is a diametrically opposed sentence. You concluded that charles has unconscious bias after pointing out the ways in which he is consciously biased.
Racism is a very simple concept to understand: it occurs with the belief or behaviour that individuals belonging to a particular race should not be granted the same natural rights/privileges/benefit of doubt as those of another race; where those rights/privileges/benefit of doubt could be as ordinary as: if the cops stop a black person and ask for his/her driver’s license WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE, you believe the black driver should “just show it to him to avoid conflict/obey the cops;” even tho, if the exact same scenario played out with a WHITE driver and said white driver refuses to comply, with all onlookers being righteously outraged at the blatant “police state!” behaviour, you wd be on the side of those said onlookers.
Stated simply: if a white person wouldnt wish to be treated like black folks are routinely treated by institutions of the state i:e schools/school districts; hospitals; all apparatus of justice/law enforcement; social services; etc. (lets forget individual bigots for the moment) then thats because you recognize racism when you see it.
See: all the videos of Anti-Racism Educator Jane Elliott.
+1
Unconscious bias is something like thinking a younger person is automatically a better choice to do a coding webpage than an older person.
Making comments about different ethnicities, his actions toward Meghan, etc etc – this is outright racism not unconscious bias.
He probably DOES believe in diversity – for his inferiors who should stay far away from him in close personal or professional settings, not for himself and his world.
I personally believe it’s William. Meghan said that it would be very damaging to that person. Charles already has a damaged reputation, despite all the good he has done since. Plus, the rift is between the brothers and even Tom Bradby said that certain things were said before the wedding that couldn’t be unsaid. He is also the first one to say the family is not racist when the racism of the family is very well documented.
It’s definitely between Charles and William. I think the Sussexes were using male pronouns so that eliminates the females. They also said its not HM or Philip. “Damaging to their reputation” sounds like that person not only has a good reputation in general but is fairly well known so that gets rid of the Kents, Gloucesters, “minor royals” and possibly Edward himself as not many know he even exists. Andrew already has a shit reputation so nothing is going to damage his anymore. Hence Charles or William are the only ones left.
I said this before but the fact that you can’t for sure say it wasn’t Charles/William doesn’t look good for either of them
It’s definitely between them and now I find it funny that Charles may be hinting it’s William. It’s true that Charles charitable work promotes diversity and marginalised communities. William, on the other hand, was the one who made the eugenicist speech about Africans.
M never said : “damaging to their reputation.” She said: “It would be very damaging to them.”
What do you mean by the facts they did not name the person it doesn’t look for them? Regardless of how painful was for Harry, they are still a close family member. Not to mention that HArry does not want to hurt the family business.
I think Charles shared the same concern as William but William was the one who broached the topic with Harry.
Same. I wouldn’t be surprised if Charles had similar “concerns”, but William is the one who actively tried to deter Harry from marrying Meghan. William couldn’t be bothered to fake happiness for Archie’s arrival and declared he was already an uncle. Out of all possible suspects, William is easily the one whose reputation would be most damaged and who would have the most to lose.
“Of all the members of the royal family, he has taken this issue the most seriously.” I love how they throw everyone else under the bus with that line.
But this could still be an attempt to say ‘yeah, it was Charles who talked about Archie’s skin colour but it wasn’t meant to be racist, because Charles doesn’t identify as a racist and therefore can’t be one!’ Or it is Charles’ way of declaring it was actually William.
“I’m not racist! My best serv- I mean emplo- I mean friends are black!”
Yep. There is no way that he sees any black person as an equal. Probably not any white person either but you know that some people are more equal than others (apologies as I probably have my Animal Farm quote not quite right).
Yeah, see this whole business here is why I feel like now everyone is using racism as a go-to escapist discussion point. It’s debatable. Fact: Charles stopped speaking to his son. While the alienations and lack of security and support for H & M persist, everyone can now start arguing as to whether they are racist. And how hurtful it is to be accused of being a racist. And here are pictures of the RF interacting with POCs. And how angry everyone is about H & M mentioning racism. Instead of the RF doing the right thing and re-establishing ties with H & M, starting to heal that relationship, listening, acting like family.
I am just sick for H & M that their extremely brave and last attempt at trying to shake some communication out of their family has led to this.
He sounds like those homophobic people who say: “I am not homophobic I have a lot of gay friends! “
EXACTLY.
Chuck and Bill are equals. Their households worked overtime to drive Harry and Meghan out.
Soo, they admit H&M mental healt was talked about openly and everyone knew, but no one helped them get the help they needed? Instead they run to tell the RR? Is THAT their defence when it’s revealed a family member struggle to the point of suicidal thoughts?
This is how this reads we go and help black and brown people so we are not racist. This whole thing is just a huge demonstration on white fragility.
Just the discussion of I cannot be racist and here is why proves the point.
Yeah, no chuck. You let your grandson be called a chimpanzee and you said nothing. Your “diversity” initiatives are performative only. You don’t want your grandson to be a prince when you become king. You cut off your sons security when they needed it most. You’re worse than an open racist. An open racist stands up for his beliefs, proudly. You want to be thought of as non racist while maintaining your racist beliefs. Your actions shout much louder than your words. You have to walk your talk, Chuck. But even your talk sucks.
“Least racist KLAN member.” hahaha best comment of the week Kaiser!!
Charles is okay with black people working for him but not marrying into his family.
Maybe he’s not racist?
Nah, he said to an Asian from Manchester, he met her at a Commonwealth event, that she didn’t look like she was from Manchester.
Maybe he thinks he’s not.
I don’t believe that Kate thinks she’s lazy, either, but it doesn’t change the fact that she absolutely is.
ITA. I don’t think either of them are terribly self-aware.
And maybe the moon is made of green cheese. He’s as racist AF and so is the entire BRF. They built their empire on the backs of people of colour, they turned the countries they colonized into money-making empires and the people into indentured slaves. Things don’t change in a generation – that kind of built-in, inherent racism may be less obvious today but nonetheless as toxic as ever. Look what that family did to Meghan…Charles sacrificed his own son because of racism.
We need to stop giving rich old white men so many passes and excuses… even when a Black woman — Meghan — has been clear how she was gaslighted and harmed and sidelined and stabbed in the back by the family Charles leads, you still don’t believe her? You want to give Charles — CHARLES — the benefit of the doubt over a Black woman’s word? Why?
This is the same dude who, at a [totally pre-planned and not at all reactionary pr stunt] engagement at a Black church last week basically said ‘GIVE MY REGARDS TO ALL THE ETHNICS!’ and expected the Nobel Peace Prize for it. I mean come on. Clueless at best, and as future head of a multiracial commonwealth, clueless is shameful and unacceptable.
lmao!! Remember how they reacted when a black pastor gave his sermon? They were snickering throughout. Even after the ceremony had ended, he and William were still laughing. But some of their best entertainers are black so they can’t be racist.
Yes, as if the woman from Nigeria he was speaking with knew every single person in Nigeria.
So many salient posts. I tend to believe Charles has unconscious bias, which Harry has spoken about at length. He’s right. I have white friends now who truly don’t believe they have a racist bone in their bodies, but who flinch when a black man comes in their vicinity or say you speak so well for a black person. That’s who I see Charles as. William…not so much. He has an air of superiority about him that I’m sure comes out very plainly as racist. He’s protected as the heir, so not many know the truth about him. But there are stories out there. Social media can’t be controlled like the British press.
Unconscious bias is such a beast. I don’t defend your friends’ unconscious biases, or my own (I know I have them! I keep working on them, but they’re there), but I don’t think any white person really wants to admit, especially to a non-white friend, that they’re racist. They are beastly to talk through though. We talk a lot with my dad about them. It’s an uphill battle, but I think that’s the responsibility of White people to keep having those conversations, clunky and awkward though they are.
I’m nosy, not disbelieving: what are the stories about William? I agree with your assessment. I think Charles really tries to learn and work and move past his stuff (not that it’s successful, but he’s trying) but William gives off strong Laurence Fox vibes.
@Betsy, on Twitter there were a few posts from guys who worked with him that stated he was blatant in his racism. Shockingly so. Another said it was well known within his unit. But he was protected because he’s the FFK.
I think someone on here said a few days ago that her uncle worked with him – either in Wales or Norfolk – and said that he was one of the most racist people the uncle had ever met or something along those lines.
Of course this is an anonymous comment section for an American celebrity blog, anyone could be saying anything, but it seemed to fit with what has been rumored on twitter.
What I dont understand is – if he is such a racist, why is he trying to make “racism in sports” his issue? It’s just going to call attention to how racist he actually is.
To date there are at least two different people linked to William at the RAF saying he was brazenly racist while there.
@Becks, re: your last question— I think that’s William’s arrogance coming through. He’s so sure that he’s not racist (or at least that he’s convinced the public of it) that he feels totally justified in making this one of his “signature” issues. It’s no coincidence that it started at the same time he and his family were treating the first Black member like trash.
I also wonder how the Cambridges can go out there as mental health advocates now and expect to be taken seriously. HOW? After all we know about Meghan’s experience? But you can bet they’ll still carry on with that “work,” either genuinely not seeing the hypocrisy or not caring.
We saw very clearly last week with Kate’s “private” visit to the vigil that these people seriously underestimate the public’s intelligence.
Charles can say he supports diversity all he wants, but why doesn’t he have ANY diversity on his senior staff? Or any senior staff across the three households? The only POC in a high ranking role was an Equerry to the Queen and this was a temp assignment. Why don’t they want diversity on their senior staff? Seems like they are ok with diversity, just not in their home.
He visits the colonies all the time you guys! geez.
All the BRF are racists, even Harry was a racist. I just feel sorry for Meghan, she doesn’t deserve all this shit.
Why does everyone think that the baby-colour questioner is either William or Charles?
It could just as easily be Kate. I’ve long thought that she was more than a little miffed when Harry and Meghan became serious, because that effectively broke up the William/Kate/Harry “three musketeers”act she seemed to enjoy so much.
She was happy to allow a black woman to be blamed over wedding drama she herself caused.
She and her family excluded Meghan from Pippa’s wedding.
She pointedly ignored Meghan on several occasions.
She wore either white or the palest yellow/almost white to H&M’s wedding.
She’s been nothing but disrespectful and mean.
I don’t think it’s Kate at all. In the interview, Meghan said that Kate was a “good person”. She’d never say that about someone who had “concerns” about how dark Archie would be. Plus, it seemed to me like she went out if her way to say Kate was a “good person” as a way to eliminate her from the lineup, making it more obvious that it was William or Charles. Plus, Kate is trash but she does love babies.
@Nyro – Kate may not have communicated concerns to Meghan about Archie’s skin but it’s not implausible at all that she dislikes/resents Archie and tacitly if not outrightly supported those racist comments: her reactions when asked about Meghan’s pregnancy/delivery at different events, that polo match where Kate completely ignored both Meghan AND Archie even though Louis was trying to interact with Meghan, she didn’t take her children to meet their cousin Archie till two months after his birth, and let’s not forget both William’s and Kate’s clenched-sphincter faces at Archie’s christening.
Pretty sure they referred to the person who raised the skin tone question as “he”.
Rewatched. They said “them”.
And again, even if it was a he, that does not mean Kate didn’t support it.
Remember her hanging out with Emma Sayle who joked about mass murdering immigrants in East London.
And we all saw how she reacted to Lebron James.
Since the issue was raised with Harry directly, I don’t believe he speaks to Kate on her own. He only sees her at engagements with William. That’s mostly why I rule her out. I’m sure she is racist as hell, but she is unlikely to speak to Harry on that issue.
+1
Not Kate or the irrelevant royals with no real power. Meghan was talking about how that conversation was linked to Archie’s security. It had to be the royals who actually had some sort of say regarding this. Kate wasn’t even involved in the Summit, she’s just the sidekick.
I agree with everyone else who said that Kate 100% shares the feeling, but she was not the one who actually brought it up with Harry.
She could have made the slightest effort to show some interest in Archie at the polo match, but she pointedly ignored both Meghan and the baby.
(Although I think that could have more to do with run-of-the-mill jealousy than active racism.)
Oh I believe oth Charlie, and willie discussed skin color as there was several meeting by them was the quote. Charles throws rocks and hides his hand. Whose the more dangerous ?.
I suspect Charles is using William to do his dirty work. William isn’t very bright, he’s all rage and emotion, easily manipulated.
Charles is the one constant in grotesque evilness from Diana to Meghan. William is a fool. Charles is a cold hearted puppet master.
This is exactly what I think. Charles raised William to be the way he is, and happily uses him as cover.
Have these friends seen Charles’ bank statements? I don’t show my bank statements to friends. Maybe Charles was funneling money somewhere else and trying to make it appear it went to Harry and now Harry talking could blow his scheme. And I am curious in what way the Queen has supported and loved those she rules over.
Yeah, because no one’s ever heard of a NIMBY racist. Or maybe in Charles’s case, it’s more like NIMBL: “Sure, diversity is fine for the peasants, but what’s this? Oh no! NOT IN MY BLOODLINE!”
All these not racist takes are making them seem so backward& not helping at all. prime example on why the conversation on race in Britain is so behind.
Chuck what did you do to support Meghan&Harry when they faced racist attacks? Did we even hear a palace source express concern with those men were jailed for wanting to murder Harry as a race traitor or say the chimp tweet was offensive/disappointing? As MLK Jnr said we remember the silence of our friends. Another expression: silence is violence.
Has anyone from the firm even said now they were troubled by the coverage that Harry & some journalists have admitted was problematic?The firm’s social media accounts probably still has racist slurs up whereas CH shut down comments after the Crown’s latest season aired.
It also doesn’t help that a few books that came out last summer said that retrograde elements of the palace did look down on Meghan& there were various quotes that staff thought “who do you think you are” when asked to do something by Meghan & didn’t want to work for an American TV actress. Are these staff still employed? Will the review the queen announced look at the firm’s policies on discrimination etc? Oh I forgot unlike the bullying review concerns from the interview will be handled privately
When you look at what they actually did & not what they are saying now- it’s not convincing. Charles & co need to know you also need to be pro actively anti racist.
Also the friend and the person talking about bank statements contradict themselves. Either he was supporting them & statements are proof (although Sussexes said in Meghan’s witness statement & in various articles that they weren’t being funded by Charles) OR he let them go off to be financially independent in line with their wishes as the friend suggests.
Annoys me this talk about the Queen giving her life to CW countries. What tangibly did she do for them? Things like concentration camps in Kenya happened on her watch.
Who’s going to admit they don’t “believe in diversity?” I mean, the royal family is collectively dumb as hair but even they aren’t THAT stupid.
Because the dirty little (not so) secret of institutional bias is that you can claim as much personal enlightenment as you want and still be a big fat racist.
“I believe in diversity” is just a slightly less clueless way to say “I can’t be racist because I have Black friends.”
White people need to learn what racism actually is. We don’t understand all the ways racism manifests itself, and that it’s not just whether you “like” POC or not. I think that’s why so many racist white people refuse to accept that they’re racist. They may not feel racist, but they are doing and saying racist things, whether they realize it or not. Part of White Privilege is never having to think about even notice that.
Agreed.
Charles was upset that Harry was a redhead. There is no way he’s not incredibly racist. I don’t know why anyone believes anything that comes from his team. He’s just cold and calculated, whereas William is a hotheaded idiot. Will being impulsive and ragey serves Charles very well, too, as it takes the heat off him.
I agree with you that the skin color “concerns” were from William. When they said the revelation would be damaging for “them” I always assumed they were talking about the RF en masse. What could be more damaging then the revelation that William, the supposed “future” of the Monarchy, is so bigoted he’d worry about his future nephew’s melanin content?
As for Charles’ bank statements, I find the way these leaks are worded interesting. You’ll notice they don’t say what the date is for those bank statements. Just that they exist. Harry never said Charles didn’t give him money in 2020. Harry said Chucky cut him off in the first quarter of 2020. The first quarter ends on March 31, the exact day Harry and Meghan moved to California.
“Them” could also be Will and Kate as a couple. Especially if some of the conversation was about not wanting their white children to share the HRH title with a nonwhite child. Anything that involved the Cambridge children and concerns about whether they should be on the same level or elevated above a mixed race child people would likely assume came from both parents.
Or it could just be that William said whatever he said and it would reflect badly on Kate because she’s married to him and one would assume she shares similar values. Or because they’re a package deal as FFK and FFQC or because they’re the only two representatives left in the family from their generation, as in: “we thought things would be so much better once we get to the new generation—Will and Kate—since they’re so modern and kind and likeable, but now we’ve found out that even this generation is tarnished and gross and fully Windsorized.”
I have a question. If Charles becomes king and Archie and Montecito Baby Girl become HRH, can Penis Head change that when he becomes king?
Yup, and it’s probably the first thing he’s going to do as king. Then he’ll take Frogmore.
It would be the equivalent of the Queen (and Parliament) removing HRH from everyone except a monarch’s own children and the children of the direct heir. If she did this it would remove HRH from Andrew’s daughters and the right to use HRH from Edward’s children. It couldn’t be aimed at particular people. It would have to be a relationship to the monarch. So if William did this it would also remove HRH from any children of Charlotte or Louis.
If Charles took the same action it would leave Harry with HRH but not his children and it would remove HRH as above from Andrew’s and Edward’s children.
Maybe it was Camilla…
As usual, I read the comments and didn’t post anything because y’all said it so elegantly, but one thought couldn’t leave my mind. The RF’s main gig was Colonialism right?? Where white men went about raping black slaves producing mixed race people, right?? So figuring out peoples skin colour and racism shouldn’t be that hard right?? You see, I know they’re mean and racist-it’s the stupid I can’t get past. They truly don’t realize that refusing to accept Megan, and not giving her child a title, means you’ve written the RF is racist in the sky for everyone to see. It also means that the only thing Charles and Willnot actually understand is the line of succession. They don’t understand what their family actually did, and how their current actions remind people of the worst of history. Charles doesn’t understand that he’s just cut off his nose to spite his face.
I am not sure who implied that he is racist, but it will help if he become aware of his self pitying behaviour and dial down on the passive aggressiveness.
It seemed that he had a decent relationship with his son, and ultimately chose the other son due to ??
This is something to be dealt with in private. He can start by listening. Just listen. He has a responsibility towards the survival of the monarchy, future monarch in 16 countries and that of father to BOTH sons.
Prince Harry did not get a choice in the matter and needs to be supported by him. This is about psychological support. Charles can acknowledge his feelings, but this in not about him.
If he truly wants an adult relationship with his son, he should respect his choices and not limit his options. It is time to listen, understand and validate. Some relationships are salvageable. This can be one of them.
In terms of the Commonwealth of nations, I will look to the West Indies/ Caribbean, in terms of Barbados, the UK had a presence since the 1600, does anyone think that they are unaware of the RF and UK government?
This crisis gives the Commonwealth and the constitutional monarchies time to think through their situation and best viable options in a critical manner, although many would be sympathetic to the Sussexes, I suspect that future decisions will not be based by narrative crafted by the BTM.
I cannot see William be head of that institution by getting 100% of the support like his grandmother and father. They will have to find another unifying element, Murdoch’s puppet will not do.