Thank you to the people who alerted me to these tweets. Over the past two years, we’ve seen time and time again that the British media has a complicit arrangement with Prince William specifically. It’s transactional – media outlets get a whiff of a story involving William and they go to him and he’ll give them something else in exchange. Or they yank his chain whenever they want more photos of his family, but that yanking wouldn’t happen unless they had something they were holding over his head. For the past two years, it’s been clear that one of the things they’ve been holding over his head is his alleged affair with Rose Hanbury, the Marchioness of Cholmondeley, who is his neighbor in Norfolk.
Around this time two years ago was when the affair story was just beginning to spill out into the British papers. A shady item appeared in the Daily Mail, the infamous “rural rivals” story about Kate trying to push Rose out of the Cambridges’ social circle. Then William ran to Richard Kay at the Daily Mail to whine and explicitly throw the Duchess of Sussex under the bus. William spent a lot of time threatening British media about the story. Was there an explicit tit-for-tat, where William served up negative stories about Meghan in exchange for keeping his wandering sceptre out of the news? According to Foreign Policy’s Deputy editor James Palmer, that’s something that’s pretty widely known.
the palace has been protecting Prince William from the tabloids for *years* and has a complicated relationship with newspaper editors, including alternating between sending them legal threats and effectively striking bargains with them to leak on Markle
— James Palmer (@BeijingPalmer) March 18, 2021
this is why British papers weren't even *touching* William's alleged affair with Rose Hanbury.
— James Palmer (@BeijingPalmer) March 18, 2021
While Palmer isn’t saying anything that wasn’t already known/believed in gossip circles and royal-media circles, it’s interesting to see it spill out on Twitter from a “legitimate journalist.” I genuinely believe that William and Rose’s “alleged” affair is common knowledge in British, American and international media circles, as well as common knowledge among the British aristocrats and probably the Royal family too. It’s just a matter of seeing which outlet – probably American, I would assume – will be the first one to do a major exposé. And the affair story is SO TIED to the smear campaign against Meghan too. March 2019 was when Meghan was in her last trimester with Archie. She was being viciously ripped to shreds in the British media and so much of that was because William actively made her a target in exchange for the media burying the affair story.
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William and Charles because i believe they are the ones who get green with envy should have just let the Sussex popularity play out. They were the new couple,and people had been waiting to witness Harry get married and be happy. Their hysterian and fanfare was not going to last forever. Look at all the BS that could have been avoided. I think William cared more that someone was upstaging his wife so by default made him look bad. And Charles never been interesting a day in his life at his age he really shouldnt care about popularity contests.
Charles has never really been popular and both harry and kate upstaged william. I think it is more than just jealousy. It is a ugly combination of media hacks and some household staff that genuinely hate meghan and everything she stands for + something sinister that went on behind the scenes within the royal family and had to be kept a secret. Thus they struck a bargain. Stories about meghan for glowing pieces about the other royals.
I disagree – I think their popularity would have stayed strong. Having said that, the rest of the RF played this so badly and wasted such an opportunity. ALL they had to do was say words about how supportive they are of Meghan and Harry’s work, partner with the couple every once in a while on projects for all of their various patronages and causes, and then sit back and bask in the warm glow of looking like they work hard like Meghan and Harry. Seriously. Spillover effect.
This closes the loop nicely on a thought I’ve had. Initially it was “let it play out, you’ll get all the hype back when you become King (Charles) and P&P of Wales (William and Kate). But then I got stuck on “well, I don’t think the Sussexes popularity would have died out actually.” But you’re right Izzy – C, W & K could have been supportive and benefited from the glow while continuing to be “traditional” royals. Would anyone have looked closer and see that “traditional” royaling was boring and ineffective? Probably not. But they couldn’t accept the Sussexes star power, and in trying to kill it, they’ve brought such a big magnifying glass on themselves that I think the dominoes (or house of cards?) are starting to fall on the BRF.
@Izzy – Yup. And it was clear early on there could be good PR by interacting – the reaction to Charles walking Meghan down the aisle, giving Doria his arm; and TQ taking Meghan on the train trip. Even very recently TQ got positive reactions from the video clip that surfaced of her spreading her blanket over Meghan’s knees in the car, something that was in fact brought up by Meghan herself in the interview as a lovely gesture.
Indications are that Harry and Meghan would have been happy to share the spotlight (which is not the same thing as being okay with others taking credit for their work). But people in that family are so used to being jealous over how much attention everyone else is getting, they just couldn’t see/imagine that.
The BRF squandered the “happily ever after” story. They could have turned Meghan into a Disney Princess and made it the greatest love story of all time. It would have been great PR and undoubtedly increased tourism from America.
William couldn’t even congratulate his own brother on the birth of Archie. All he could muster was “I already have a nephew.” He couldn’t even share the spotlight on such an immense, happy event. Will appears soulless. Anyone who cared would have made an effort to support his brother and his wife and child. Will booked a commercial jet just to stick it to his brother. Now the press is going gung-ho on the Will is protective of Kate angle but this affair rumor will break at some point. Meanwhile, Kate has looked miserable this week knowing that Carole can’t hit back at Meghan too hard now because everything is this close to being exposed.
My husband is Dutch so I follow the Dutch royal family a bit. Their king was at least somewhat unpopular when he was younger. He seemed spoiled and not appreciative of his privilege. Then he married a dynamic, bubbly woman and the Dutch liked her better. But since they don’t have a rivalry, she pulled him up and he became more popular not less. Also his mother retired so that he could become king at a much younger age. It is sad to see all the infighting in the British royal family. There are issues with the Dutch royal family as well, but they actually seem to like and support each other and it makes a difference.
Likewise, Charles could theoretically have taken advantage of Diana’s popularity. Early in his presidency, JFK (another man who played fast and loose with fidelity) visited Europe, and, rather than getting angry at the attention his wife attracted, is quoted saying “I am the man who accompanied Jacqueline Kennedy to Paris, and I have enjoyed it.” Like Charles, JFK was 12ish years older than Jackie (whose parents, like Diana’s, also separated when she was about seven). But, unlike Diana, who got engaged to Charles at 19, Jackie was in her 20’s when she got married, had a college education, had traveled extensively, and had a year or so of slightly more challenging work experience under her belt. And of course, though JFK grew up in a very privileged household, it wasn’t a family that believed they had been selected to rule by Providence.
I would love for this to be an exposé. Not focusing on Rose though. She could shut it down. It should focus on William’s affairs and behavior to hide them. He’s rumored to have a few mistresses and does not live with Kate and the children if you go by where he has his RPOs.
He cheats. He lies. He throws his sister in law to the wolves and seems happy about it.
They blew it with this pettiness. They could have had the Fantastic Four as the new face of the monarchy, bringing it into the 21st century. Too late now.
Having them all be popular would’ve been impossible thanks to the needs of the tabloid media. Good news does not sell. There has to be drama, and if not genuine, then created by the media.
@Harper…Yes, I will never forget that cold comment that William made after Archie’s birth. Any reference to important milestones in Harry’s life like his marriage , the pregnancy and newborn son, were met with dismissive or jokey comments from William. Kate had the grace to say that little Archie would be a playmate for her kids, even though she knew that wasn’t really going to happen.
@El, You’re lucky to have Maxima for a queen. I wish she was ours. I’d also happily take Queens, Letizia, Victoria, or Rania over Liz.
This time he’ll still say, ‘I already have a niece’ (because of Pip) when asked about the birth of a new Sussex baby.
The petty jealousy of the BRF is just mind-boggling. I mean, look at the Swedish royal family: Prince Carl Philip and his wife Sofia are the Swedish equivalent of H&M; hot and glamorous. Crown Princess Victoria and her husband Daniel, while attractive, are more staid in comparison. Yet they seem to coexist just fine.
That is a good comparison. And then the younger sister stepped down from royal duties and moved to America. She doesn’t seem to get dragged for that choice.
Families like the Swedes and the Dutch monarchies seem to be filled with at least somewhat normal, rational people though who seem to want to live with some normalcy. (As much as they can for their situation.)
The British royals on the other hand are a carnival sideshow of spectacles who all absolutely love the royal circus limelight.
Everyone of them but Harry and Meghan.
Madeleine is absolutely dragged for that choice, when stepping down and getting off the dole is what both Madeline and CP were supposed to do.
CP and Sofia are a piss poor example. They are royal hangers on, clinging to their taxpayer payments when they should be out earning a living like Chris and Madeleine. The king stripping HRH from most of his grandchildren was the direct result of five political parties banding together to demand the working royal family be made much smaller. Their pity us response about it, saying they would still do charity work but were looking at moving abroad? You know the machine is moving, rightfully, to cut off any royal dole payments to those two.
The marriage happened because of a massive cleanup campaign around her history, along with her cozy arrangement with tabloids – leaking info about Madeleine in exchange for good press. When they first married, it was clear the king knew they weren’t supposed to be on the royal dole. He even tried putting her on his staff as a ‘consultant’ until it was called out.
the combination of every bit made it so toxic for Meghan and Harry! Meghan was black. Harry and Meghan were globally loved. Meghan and Harry look beautiful both. William wasnt supposed to get caught sleeping in the rosebushes, but he did and Meghan was the perfect sitting duck. william has trust issues towrad women being potentially godl diggers. The RF is racist. Some people genuinly did not like Meghan. Some people were genuinly so loyal to Charles/william and or kate and or the queen. Some people went out of their way to make Meg’s life unbearable. William and Kate are lazy which doesn thelp. Kate/william/charles/the queen were jealous. Andrew came out as a pedo, meg was the perfect distraction. Meghan announced her pregnancy at Eugenie’s wedding. Meg’s american. Meg wasnt supposed to be truly keen for work. Meg’s family wasnt supposed to be that toxic. RF were supposed to control Meg’s philantropic thirst and use pecking order to slow her down. But she didnt slow down. Harry and Meg turn eveyrhing into gold. You know, eveyrhting just made it so difficult for H&M.
@Noki: Charles’, Williams and Catherine’s jealousy, though unquestionable, is barely the issue here. Prince Henry and Duchess Meghan outshining them made them the king and queen of hearts, which raised a constitutional issue, especially at a time when the very relevance of the monarchy is at stake. The heirs to the throne felt compelled to eliminate their rivals in order to ascertain their not so legitimate position. William is the birth king-to-be while Henry and Meghan had become king and queen through massive popular plebiscite, which is disruptive to the constitutional pecking order: letting the peoples of the Commonwealth choose their next monarchs would overturn the hereditary succession rules and bring a new generation democratically elected monarchs, which means the demise of monarchy.
Willy’s ancestors used to poison their rivals. William’s moves are in keeping with this tradition: he has poisoned their lives into exile.
@Noki: Neither one of them have the maturity or the brains to do that.
THIS is why Harry and William fell out. Harry may have been used to being used as a media distraction from William’s youthful shenanigans growing up, but when he turned it on his WIFE and UNBORN CHILD with ZERO remorse, that was the final straw.
I think that was when Harry finally woke up and saw that the family would never allow him to be truly happy and would scapegoat him, his wife and future children until the end of time in the name of The Crown. That’s when he said ENOUGH!
Would add that they fell out because William was leaking on Meghan/Harry to distract from William’s alleged affair with zero remorse… an unacceptable trifecta for Harry.
History is repeating itself; William has turned into Charles and Harry isn’t having it.
Yeah, that’s what I meant.
I also think that (if this affair did happen) they might have just fell out because of the affair. I mean both boys had a front row seat to what infidelity did to their mother (tho diana was no saint in that aspect either). Harry being the good man that he is probably couldn’t understand why william would do such a thing
Wasn’t William always cheating on Kate? He also cheated with her, right? I just don’t seen how all of sudden now Harry would take a stand against Will cheating. I obviously don’t know Harry’s mindset, but it seems silly to me to be upset about something that was always happening. I tend to think that Harry was upset because William was questioning his relationship with Meghan, recruiting family members to break them up, and leaking about them. How could William have the nerve to give relationship advice when he’s probably boinking his neighbor or using Rose as cover for an affair? He’s a hypocrite and that could’ve pisses Harry off.
Yes William has a long history of cheating. It wouldn’t be that on its own even though I’m sure it dredged up some unpleasant memories for Harry.
@Cecilia — why should H care about W cheating on his wife? yes, he might remember how that affected their parents but technically it is not his business…the problem is W cheating started affected H’s family i.e H’s wife and child. His kid was called spoiled and Archie wasn’t EVEN born yet…..no way, any DECENT human being will agree to being used that way because his brother can’t keep it in his pants
@VS. I do think he cared. I think he cared because he say Kate as a friend and having just been married himself I think he experienced a perspective shift. Now it wasn’t just him either ignoring the affair or being complicit, but his own wife was watching him and his reaction. If my husbands sibling was having an affair I would seriously be side-eyeing my husband ignoring it like ‘if you don’t think it’s a big deal, that doesn’t bode well for us.’
@Cecelia, I doubt Harry is that broken up about Will cheating ON Kate (though I can imagine he would harbor some (rightful) judgment and disdain towards his brother over it, considering what happened with their parents). I’m sure he’s like, “their marriage, their business.” He ain’t caping for Kate. If anything Harry’s main concern is that his brother cruelly and heartlessly turned the woman he loves, and ultimately their child, into bait for the vicious media that he hates so much. THAT would be and likely was the final straw for him and would absolutely explain the falling out.
This is a common theme out of some extreme Kate stans, that Harry loves Kate so much he broke with his brother over the cheating. LOL.
William has always been a cheater and Harry has always known it. William using Meghan as the fall guy was the final straw, not the fact of William cheating.
As everyone says, William has always been a cheater. The only reason I could for see Harry being more bothered by an affair with Rose would be because she was such a close neighbor to William’s family in Norfolk, and that was even more tasteless than usual. But no way William’s cheating would have been the catalyst for Harry’s decision to remove himself and his family.
What lucky said. Years ago, my sibling had a wonderful significant other that she would cheat on. Sometimes she’d bring her affairs right in front of me. I wasn’t shy about telling her how wrong it was to do that to a good person and that she needed to stop. Her s.o. was a really good man who loved her and who was considered part of our family. Difference is, she’s not a vengeful, bitter spoiled prince and didn’t turn it against me for speaking the truth.
I think the main reason it upset Harry so much before it was turned against his wife is that he remembered how much the infidelities of his parents hurt him and his brother as children and how could William repeat this? Secondly, and what relates to my personal story above, I think he did/does care about Kate and didn’t want to see her or her children go through that hurt. Yes, William was always a cheater, but this time marriage and children were involved.
Of course, once the vengeful, bitter, spoiled Prince William did take that out on Harry’s wife, THAT was the catalyst in him getting his family the f out of there. He’s said as much.
I can’t stress this enough. William has ALWAYS cheated on Kate. And I am sure Harry knew this. It was using Meghan as a shield for his infidelity that made Harry snap and cut him off. Harry and Kate are not as close as the press paints them. Harry HIMSELF has said he doesn’t see them that much ( there is a video of this) and Harry used to call her limpet during the waity years. He is nice to her because she married into that ridiculous family. It’s a shame his brother and sister in law couldn’t return the gesture.
In the Book Battle of Brothers, it is said that when Charles and Princess Diana were married it Camilla Parker Bowles had a direct link to a reporter who worked for The Sun. His name is Stuart Higgin, however, he no longer works for the Sun,
How can we be sure that she is NOT the person passing information to someone in the Press about everything happening in the RF. Three days ago the following was published by Yahoo:
https://ca.style.yahoo.com/real-reason-prince-charles-cut-off-prince-harry-meghan-markle-051948667.html
Who else is so close to Charles, with the exception of Camilla and William.
Meghan was living among a bunch of vipers!!!
@ginger… i agree with you completely. William has always cheated in Kate and so none of this is new to Harry. The main difference here was that William was throwing Meghan to the media wolves to cover for this affair, using Jason Knauf to go after her. Harry actually cares about his wife and was angry that his wife was being used as cover for one of William’s many affairs.
It’s pretty obvious that even Meghan knew of William’s cheating because her defence of Kate having a hissy fit and still being a good person clearly implies she was having a rough time which is why she snapped on Meghan.
Yeah, I don’t think it was the affair itself but the fact that his pregnant wife was the sacrificial lamb to keep quiet about it. He was definitely used to being thrown under the bus but Meghan and their unborn child being sacrificed was unacceptable.
Totally agree. I think Harry’s a good person but I don’t think he’s going to slash and burn his relationship with his brother because his brother cheats on his wife…that stuff happens in those circles all the time from what I hear. When Harry’s WIFE AND CHILD paid the price is when he justifiably went nuclear.
Exactly. I believe Harry’s stance became, you want to cheat on your wife, fine, it’s your life. But my wife and child are NOT going to pay for your f**k ups.
100%. The racist comments about Meghan created tension (obviously) and M&H tried to distance themselves from william while still getting on with their work, but once Harry saw that william was mercilessly using Meghan as his scapegoat for media coverage, that was the final straw. And, that confirmed his previous suspicions that william was behind a lot of negative coverage of Meghan from the get-go; he probably had an inkling before but couldn’t prove it, but william literally sacrificing Meghan to the media to hide his own misdeeds confirmed a pattern of behavior, and Harry was done.
This is what I think. i dont think it was the only reason for the falling out, I think their relationship had been rocky for years by that point, but I think it was the tipping point that made Harry say, “I have to get out.” Once he realized it was never going to stop, and that his wife and children were going to be used as scapegoats for his brother and his family – he knew he couldnt stay.
That would also explain why, when Meghan asked the palace to correct some stories, they refused – that would break the bargain and protecting william was the #1 priority.
It just goes to show how little William understood his baby brother, that he thought Harry would be okay with the Palace smearing his wife. Harry had been very vocal about wanting to be a husband and father. He put out that love shield when he and Meghan first started dating. There was no way in the world that Harry was going to let them continue to smear his wife and child. It brought back to many memories of what Charles and the palace did to his mother.
@Elizabeth Kerri Mahon – yes, “memories of what Charles and the palace did to his mother” is exactly it. When Harry said he was “worried about history repeating itself” he wasn’t just talking about the media hounding a beautiful charismatic royal woman to harm – he was talking about a royal in the direct line of descent (was Charles now William) using their power inside the palaces to cover up their infidelities (was Camilla/Kanga et al, now Rose and who else?) by throwing people Harry loves (was Diana now Meghan) under the bus of the tabloids.
Just…wow.
Robert Lacey’s book supposedly claimed they weren’t as close after the “Harry partying” pictures always came out and William, who was doing the same things, was protected.
@Snuffles: Let’s also bear in mind that Henry having publicly promised Meghan he would “give her the family she never had”, he’s been feeling deep down the embarrasment of finding himself unable to keep his word, as he came to the brutal realization he himself barely had anyone to call family. His alpha male pride as an emotional stabilizer must have been terribly hurt. He offered Meghan to extend his support system to her but… There was no support system. Therefore, I suspect exiling his family was his decision and the easiest he had ever made at that.
Honestly unless they have some sort of conclusive proof, I don’t see this ever coming out as a real story. I’d suspect William would have them in court pretty quickly.
not to mention the lady involved and her family
That’s the thing I don’t understand. If it wasn’t true why threatening to sue or strike a deal with the tabloids. If the tabloids printed this false story he would have had the same stance as Harry today the tabloids are bad. I refuse to believe the tabloids would have succeeded turning the general public against both Diana’s son if they were united.
Because, as I always say, members of the RF do not ever, ever think things out rationally and long term. They just REACT like a lightning bolt saying whatever they think in that moment with no regard to their words possibly coming back to haunt them one day. They do it every single time.
That’s the “funny” thing about this – if you go back and look at the CB posts about this, the reaction to the first “rural rival” story was kind of like, “huh?” there was one person I remember who said something like “does anyone else think this is about William sleeping with the friend” and some agreed but at the time the story just seemed kind of random.
Then the Richard Kay article came out and we were all like, ohhhhhh so definitely an affair. Had William just kept his mouth shut, I think the rural rival story would have blown over. But nooooo, he’s the master of PR, he couldnt just sit quietly by! So then it became something bigger that he can still control, but barely. In return he had to offer up his pregnant SIL and his kids whenever the press wants to see them.
I think for many untrue and probably true stories too, all the Royals just ride them out but something as big as cheating, I think he would sue either way, as long as he was sure there was no proof.
@Becks: and why are the courtiers permitted to run roughshod over the actual monarch (I’m thinking of the Queen’s canceled lunch with Harry, which was clearly not her decision), but when it comes to William, they let him do whateverTF he wants, even though they MUST know how damaging some of his actions are??
right, they’d have to have written correspondence between william/his staff and the reporter/publication, or someone would have to go on the record to speak and that will literally never happen. However, we know these tabloids have zero morals, so if they have photos of will & rose they could arrange to have those leaked and then cover the story as if it’s the first they’re hearing about it, connecting the dots through weeks of coverage – first all about the affair, then all about how kate is a pillar of strength etc, then all about how curious the convenient timing of some of the leaks against meghan they received was in retrospect. They could absolutely manufacture a rollout like that; the problem is, in doing so they would completely destroy william’s reputation and tank support for the monarchy after charles, so even though they *could* i doubt they’re willing. If a non-UK journalist breaks the story, they’ll try to ignore it as much as they can in the UK just like they did with the Prince Andrew bombshells.
Or they have staff at Houghton willing to go on record about William and Rose’s frequent ‘intimate dinners’ and ‘long country walks’.
I couldn’t work out why the media didn’t just go for it anyway. They didn’t hold back on Charles’ affairs and he’s still the heir so the monarchy clearly can survive them all sleeping with people they’re not married to. But then I realised how much more useful it was to the media to not report and have the leverage over William. If they’d broken the story there would have been much kerfuffle, months of coverage and then nada. THIS way they have had years of stories to keep them going courtesy of the Daily Will.
@The Hench, this makes SO much sense. Great point about them uncovering Charles and Camilla back in the day — why not just do the same with Will now? But with the way they’re dangling the carrot with Will this will ensure they have him right where they want him for years to come.
I think the Camilla story was first made public via Diana in Andrew Morton’s book, which the palace didn’t know about before it was released.
As far as I remember there wasn’t anything before then other than the vaguest of hints, despite it being an open secret among the aristocracy. After that, looking back it seems like all bets were off in the press.
So it might be similar for William. They’re trying to hold back the tide.
I recently listened to the You’re Wrong About Diana podcast, and it was mentioned that the press knew about Charles’s affair with Camilla for years, it was just not reported on. I guess when Diana made the affair public the press had no other choice but to report on it at that point.
So, the press holding back on the heir having an affair is nothing new. Maybe something major has to happen to finally open the floodgates in order for the press to report on William’s affairs. It’s just a matter of time.
Belli, the C and C relationship was an “open secret.” Princess Margaret was said to have told someone she hoped Camilla would let Charles go or words to that effect. The royals were complicit in it all. Diana believed Charles was going to stop seeing Camilla. Morton never came out and said she was mistress or they had an affair, she was just ‘a friend.” It gave so much “wiggle room” for Charles friends that they could say they were only friends and there was no affair. Charles himself outed his relationship with Camilla in 1994, forcing a divorce of the PBs.
I could see an American or Canadian publication printing a story about the rumors, as a way to get around having to provide specific evidence. Especially if social media keeps buzzing with speculation as it is now.
If you go online there are loads of non-UK sites reporting the affair with a quick ‘Allegedly’ or ‘reportedly’ thrown in to cover themselves. Googling Rose Hanbury basically fills your page with “affair with Prince William” immediately. I don’t know what the print coverage at the time was like but it seems to be pretty open ex the UK.
My thinking too. They really only have the same level of litigation power over the press in the UK. @Hench, the story could be much bigger than just saying alleged if a media outlet outside of the UK chose to dig into it. They could interview lots of anonymous sources for more details which would give a whole other level of credibility to the rumor.
@Golly Gee – yes! I wish they would. I’d love to see this whole thing blown open. Perhaps a Ronan Farrow expose of another small man who has let power go to his head?
@The Hench: absolute same! I could *not* understand why the UK papers didn’t run with the Hanbury story, because that clearly would have been such a huge moneymaker for them; even if they were fined over it, it probably still would have been worth it for them, financially speaking.
IIRC, William used a human rights provision of some EU law to halt the publication, but after Brexit, that won’t be an option, so it will be interesting to see what his next move is, especially since there have been more rumblings about Rose again recently, at least on Twitter.
I do see what you mean about the value in holding it over William’s head. But how long can that work for? There are only so many photos of the kids and “Granny Diana” type stunts he can pull (and weren’t the Diana cards released directly on KP’s IG? So the ROTA probably didn’t directly benefit much.). All of his other brilliant ideas (the Covid Express, entire family maskless on a red carpet for that panto show) have gone over like a lead balloon and backfired in his face.
I guess William figured that with the Sussexes there, he’d always have plenty of ammo to give to Wooten and whoever else he needs to keep quiet, but Sussexit really threw a wrench into his plans. With them gone, that well has dried up, and he no longer has any access to anything they’re are doing. Which explains why he’s constantly in a rage, but the fact remains that he needs to provide something to the UK tabs, and at this point, what does he have left?
William certainly has found himself in a pickle!!
You can’t sue someone for telling the truth. That’s what this editor is saying. The press has stories on William, not just gossip, and they are putting them aside to get attack stories on Meghan.
I’m hoping that some big newspaper or legit reporter will pick this up and run to the fcking hills with it. Meghan has had to endure too much suffering because of this ahole.
Honestly i always feel Celebitchy are the only ones reporting the stories that count. So many stories that could ‘vindicate’ Meghan are burried or never seen by the rabbied haters.
I have an online friend who is as upset about the treatment of H&M as I am, and we’ve been discussing the interview and fallout in the past weeks. She hadn’t even heard of the William affair rumors! A quick Google search pulled up enough info to get her up to speed. She was appalled and thought it was completely plausible. Just an example of how many people out there who aren’t even aware of what’s really going on — that’s how much of a stranglehold W has over the media…but I agree they’ve got hands around his neck, too…hence why poor Meghan has had to be hounded and harassed all these years.
The day before yesterday, Global News did a Canadian poll. Eight out of ten Canadians backed Meghan and Harry after Oprah, and 66% of Canadians don’t want the monarchy to have a role in our country after the Queen goes. (an increase of 6% over 4 years) I read this news this morning and went to the DM to see if they are reporting such shocking news and guess what? Radio silent.
It’s interesting that this tidbit keeps being mentioned by editors. Where there is smoke, there is fire. Am i a bad person for wanting harry and meghan to expose william?
No you are not. I want them to, too.
It’s basically an open secret by now. They all heard the rumors and all got the threats to never write about it. Many on social media know the rumors and frequently joke about it. It just hasn’t reached mainstream news and the general population yet.
I once saw another journalist on twitter say that it was a well known fact among media personalities that william was a bit loose when it came to women. Im pretty sure there WAS an affair tho with whom and when it exactly happened will remain a mystery
I feel like Harry keeps a lid on it because of George, Charlotte, and Louis.
Anyways once a cheater always a cheater so I imagine Will will cheat again and one of these times he won’t be discreet.
Harry knows it’s not his place to speak publicly about William’s private life. He would never go there.
That didn’t stop William, Bren.
I don’t understand what is so important about this particular story/affair. Kate knew William would cheat, she advised someone Harry was dating to expect cheating – what makes this particular affair so special?
And if the affair is related to the never-dying story about Kate crying over tights, what are they BOTH so eager to hide? I mean, if the affair with Rose was big news, I don’t think there would be so many leaks about it; it’s like that situation where a reporter knew about Meghan’s mental health, but didn’t dare report it because of legitimately fearing they’d be sued and it’s only now in retrospect that we dug up those comments. Otherwise the media would have had a field day.
I feel like we’re missing some key piece here, because it’s not just William who wants the story gone. The whole neverending Kate crying thing – which many have pointed out looks like is related to Kate learning about the Turnip open secret Rose affair – I think means that Kate also has a stake in this.
It must hit some kind of reporter sweet spot – damning enough that it would be a risk to publish it, but is technically not illegal to publish and would be a huge payday. And damning enough that William and Kate know this to the point where they bend over backwards to fulfill their end of the Invisible Contract.
It’s important because to cover up THIS one he chose to throw a pregnant and vulnerable Meghan under the bus, with GLEE. It made her SUICIDAL. William was willing to destroy Harry’s entire life and happiness just to cover his own ass, AGAIN. Before it was just Harry getting thrown under the bus and Harry tolerated it for The Crown. But the moment they came after his wife and unborn child, he was DONE.
Kate and Carole have a stake in William staying married to Kate. If a Rose affair was serious, to the point of William pulling away from Kate? That’s the Kate/Carole cue to start talking Kate up in the news. They started it right away, before the news of the affair even hit, with that ridiculous story of Mummy of the Year Kate swimming in full makeup and pearl earrings.
So what do you mean, what’s the big deal about this affair? Like whats so big about it that the royals are so invested in covering it up?
In general, I think this affair story is problematic for William because it has a name and a face. Its not just “William cheats on Kate.” It’s william cheats on Kate with THIS woman, who also has young kids, who lives in THIS house, and THIS is her husband, etc. The idea that he’s cheating on Kate with someone in their circle, forces her to do things like go to church with his mistress, etc – if it was ever confirmed it would be a very bad look for William.
I also think the affair is or was a lot more serious than we realize, and thats part of the problem.
Because if this was ever actually confirmed, the whole house of cards comes tumbling down. W+K’s very identity, the perfect happy family that is the face of Britain, is smashed to pieces. And all the aspects of Charles, who the public has shown to dislike and disapprove of, will indeed move along to the next generation in Will, and then they are stuck with a proven legacy of terrible people serving as monarch for lord knows how many years to come. If that’s the case, once Liz is gone I really don’t think the House of Windsor would survive it.
The problem here is the survival of the monarchy. The BRF can’t deal with another cheating scandal especially not where there is a heir involved. Charles was never particularly populair but it pummeled when he admitted to cheating. And then some more when diana died.
Exactly, if you boil it down, for the monarchy to continue the public must support it. For that to continue, William’s reputation must be kept intact.
Charles’ reputation is a lost cause by this point, but with his age the public will be more willing to put up with him because it won’t be that long until William ascends the throne. If William’s reputation is in tatters though…
I think part of it is that this affair was going on while Kate was pregnant and had very little kids at home. The Camilla Charles thing came out once the boys were much older and Charles could say that he started with Camilla only after he had been committed to Diana all through the early years of the marriage and when they were having their babies (even if that might not necessarily be true). This affair story was about to come out when William and Kate had a newborn at home and children under the age of 6. And it the story broke that he was having an affair “last year” even if he wanted to claim it was all over and done now, it would’ve been known that he was cheating with someone else while he was conceiving Louis and while his wife was very sickly with her HG during the pregnancy. He was putting his wife at risk of not just emotional damage during a pregnancy, but physical damage (STIs) while they were trying to conceive Louis. That all makes it a lot worse in the public’s eyes than Charles and Camilla having a “chaste” emotional relationship throughout the marriage and only sleeping together once he was done having children with Diana and he and Diana had both determined that their marriage was irreparably broken. Kate was not going to come out and say that their marriage was irreparably broken when Will’s affair began because she was still actively making babies with him at the time of the affair.
Charles was seeing Camilla during the early years of the marriage to Diana. They met up at the hunts and were in contact. Diana saw that Charles would not stop seeing or contacting Camilla. Diana did not totally give up on the marriage until ca. 1989 when Charles refused to have more children with her and reconcile. Kate would not complain about Rose publicly she waited 10 years for the ring and will put up with whatever william does. As I see it anyway.
To a handful of Diana fans, Charles’s reputation is bad. To most people in the UK, there is little care about the monarchy. For those who do follow monarchy, a failed first marriage 30 years ago is not a big deal. Far more concern about his black spider memos than any affairs.
The monarchy can survive divorce, this is 2021. 40 percent of marriages in the UK end in divorce, it is not a big deal. The Church of England was created so a cheating king could marry his latest mistress FFS. With big declines in membership, it isn’t like CoE is a thriving concern in everyday life either.
If Charles shares his parents’ longevity? He will be king for 20 years.
LaraW, I understand what you’re saying. I agree that the affairs would be terrible for W and would have serious consequences, I also keep thinking there’s something else there. It may involve others (Charles?) in the family, but it just feels like there’s something that’s not being said, but attention is being directed away from it. Or, I’m seeing conspiracies where there are none. Just a feeling I have.
Tinnfoil tiara theory: he wasn’t cheating with Rose, he was cheating with Rose’s hubby. That’s why they’re so desperate to cover up the affair. I know it’s far fetched, but you guys talking about redirecting and covering up something else makes my tired mind go that way.
@ Couch potato: I’ve wondered this myself.
I have a working theory that Jason Knauf has a crush on William which is why he’s gone so hard against Meghan with the fake bullying stuff, and getting involved with the DM and trying to help their case.
(Heidi Moore has a Twitter thread calling out Knauf and his use of bits to go after women who openly support Meghan).
If it’s really rock savage who is the participant in the affair, I could see Knauf thinking he has a chance.
Glad to see “whole” truth beginning to come out and see the light of day.
Oh! To have Dominic Dunne back and writing for Vanity Fair. I hope Tina Brown is still writing a book on the Royals.
Is she writing a second book about the Royals?!
Yes! I’ve been bingeing the “You’re Wrong About” podcast series on both Diana and the O.J. trial and both of these writers feature prominently. That would be sublime.
Wow, BTB. I haven’t thought of Dominick Dunne in a long time but you are so right that he would have been perfect for this. And last I heard Tina Brown is still working on that book.
Tina Brown’s book on Diana, is the best book of all on her. So if Tina brings out another book on the RF I will buy it.
William selling out Meghan to cover his affair would have obviously been hurtful to Harry, but so would Harry watching William sell out his young children to cover his affair. One of the major things William and Harry had been aligned on was that the media was the enemy and protecting their children from the media in a way they were not. William selling out his children also made it that much harder for Harry to protect Archie’s privacy. And we see with the recent Granny Diana cards William has continued to exploit his children to cover his ass and has to expose them more and more because of diminishing returns. What once was only two to three photos a year being released is now cards to a deceased grandmother they never knew being exposed to the world.
Harry is never going to care more about William’s children than he cares for his own. Harry’s motivation was what William, Kate, Carole, and the tabloid media were doing to Harry’s Wife during her pregnancy.
Exactly this. I don’t know why people keep pushing this notion that Harry cares SOOOO much about Kate and George/Charlotte/Louis. I would bet he does not approve of or cosign what his brother is doing, and feels some compassion/sadness for his nephews/niece (unlike his coldhearted brother towards HIS kids) but he’s not going to fight that hard or burn anything down for any of THEM. Meghan, Archie and BG Sussex are his #1 priorities and always will be.
Harry did not play musical countries and houses and lose his security and financial support just because he thought William shouldn’t cheat on Kate. That means Harry bases his actions on what is happening to Kate, and not his own wife and child! I understand that there are a lot of people who believe in the William and Kate fairy tale and believe William is this cardboard cutout of virtue. Look a little closer and you will see two people who do not seem happy together. Yesterday there was this very telling photo of William holding an umbrella over himself leaving Kate out in the rain and oblivious to that fact. That is the true image of the Cambridges.
@swirlmamad — thank you for saying it so clearly……I don’t know why people think H should care that much about K and W’s kids especially when his own family is thrown to the wolves to protect W…. where is that even coming from? Meghan, Archie and baby #2 are his priorities; not K and W’s kids
I can’t wait for the real story of the “alleged affair” to break wide open..,.
No need to expose Cain, he will cheat again, and with Brexit he can’t go running to E U Court.
Probably the only good thing to come out of BREXIT!
This isn’t going to change. With all the bigger stuff they’re trying to deflect from (mysterious Uncle Gary, mysterious party business, mysterious farm, Andrew, the mysterious Jersey and Panama Papers, Rose etc. – I lost count), I am so so glad Harry got his family out this early. And it’s going to be worse. With all of the above, and scheming grandma, grandpa, mother and father, Charlotte and Louis do not have an easy road ahead and do not have good role models at all. Someone has to replace Harry to play the Palace Fool and that someone’s mental health will be challenged. Harry I’m pleading with you, if you’re reading this, please keep far far away from the Windsors and you don’t owe the UK press any pictures if you have to visit.
Caitlyn Flanagan is desperately chasing attention using Meghan and it’s not her first time doing this. Deliberately playing on racist sentiment and conveniently ignoring anything the Palace did is qwhite a career choice and she hides behind being of Irish heritage when anyone calls her out on it. She’s like a mid-level Ann Coulter.
She sucks and the irony of her saying Meghan “didn’t do the work” while ignoring all the concrete work with real-world impact that Meghan did during her short time as a working royal AND confusing Desmond Tutu with the pastor from the wedding (aka not ‘doing the work’ for her own petty article) is just too on the nose.
I was trying to remember who she confused Bishop Michael Curry with – right, it was Bishop Desmond Tutu.
The whole thing is just a sad attempt to zing Meghan with zero substance or insight. I think I was being too complementary by calling her a mid-level Ann Coulter when she’s more a half-step above Andrea Peyser.
I saw a screenshot of one of her tweets from January 2020 where her prime concern after Harry and Meghan left was how “Princess Kate” was going to take the blame. So she already exonerated the white woman from any potential culpability, while actively promoting the idea that Meghan, the jezebel, made Harry leave the family. Also, for someone who claims is not a monarchist, she sure has a low opinion of working people, deriding the fact that Harry is now a podcaster. Maybe she would look up to him if he was selling arms or something. Princely behaviour, you know.
Yeah, it’s a very particular audience she’s chasing of implicitly supporting a lot of the messed up behavior represented by tbe monarchy while pretending she doesn’t take it seriously. The monarchy represents white power and domination and control but cleaned up as 1000 years of tradition plus tiaras and cute babies and a lot of people like that.
Glad y’all are bringing the author up. I read that article last night and was really angry and grossed out. I was also baffled by the fact that the picture with the article is of the author’s face? Caitlyn Flanagan has written a few articles for the Atlantic since the interview and I really despise all of them. Racist gaslighting but written in a “highbrow” way so people can pretend it’s not.
Oooh can I join the Caitlin Flanagan is annoying club? I hate so many of her takes. She and Bari Weiss can quarantine together forever.
Flanagan’s shtick is “what is the (young, empathetic) public saying?” And then “here’s why I believe the contrary- but not just because I am contrarian” when she is, in fact, just a contrarian, who also has a ton of internalized misogyny.
Yes, join the club! I had no idea who she was until these Atlantic articles but find her writing on Meghan so offensive. Why does the Atlantic let her write the Meghan coverage? At the very very very least at least have another writer with a counter viewpoint?
@Jais Forget “why does the Atlantic let her write the Meghan coverage, let’s talk about why the Atlantic keeps her on staff at all. Her BS is damaging their brand when they should be able to ride on the esteem of their best features like Ta-Nehisi Coates’ masterpiece “The Case for Reparations”.
Never could stand Flanagan. Her defense of the Twilight series alone was fucking insufferable. “See, this proves modern girls think old-school abstinence is better than sex—and they still want men who will always be their heroes, no matter how controlling and creepy.”) And she so transparently longs for the days when white girls were delicate, cosseted, and protected, it’s sickening. She (and the equally irritating Maureen Dowd) are essentially more-elite/“sophisticated” Karens.
I can’t wait to see William exposed
This definitely isn’t new but a interesting omission from someone in his position. I firmly believe it too. I think the smear campaign had already started because they were jealous but got worse and arguably violent when Meghan was further along. When the “Rural Rivals” story dropped.
I agree; I think that Harry and William’s relationship was already tenuous because of the racial comments William (it was definitely William) made, and I think Harry was suspicious of everyone in general because he knew the stories were coming from *somewhere*, but I don’t think Harry had definitive proof that William was the one briefing the press and giving the OK to KP staff to brief the press until he used Meghan to coverup the affair.
Perhaps the reason Kate was attempting to freeze Rose out of their circle is because Rose was making Houghton Hall available to Wm for his trysts with other, unnamed women. Complicit, as when Anmer Hall was the residence made available to Charles for his alone time with Camilla back in the day. Allegedly. The big question is, who is the other woman and what else will they do to keep her name out of the tabloids.
Woman or women? This is a good working theory. Both that there is a convenient relationship between Rose and William (when her husband is out of town), and that Houghton is where William can do whatever he wants with whomever he wants.
This is something I’ve had in my head for the past two years as well – that the affair isnt with Rose, or at least not just with her – but William uses Houghton Hall. The next question though is, who is the affair actually with? If I’m Rose, I would be ticked if I was being used as cover for someone else. It makes me think the “someone else” would be very problematic if her name (or his name) came out.
Whilst I think that Rose is not the only woman, I think both that there was an affair with her and that it was more potentially serious than his usual flings – hence the fuss. M’lud I present as “evidency sort of stuff”
Rose is Kate’s double – both tall, skinny, brunette – very similar physical types
Rose is also a commoner married into aristocracy but seems to be better at it/more accepted than Kate
Rose has her own title and enormous pile, as well as a cool, stylish image – she probably makes Kate feel inadequate
It seems like the affair was going on for some time – the Toff neighbours were all au fait and there were reports of cosy dinners and long walks with Rose.
There is a lot of evidence to suggest that Rose’s own marriage is one of convenience – her husband is much older and appears to spend a lot of time with his French, gay lover.
Mama Hanbury is another Carole Middleton. She would absolutely love to see her daughter snag the future King.
Ergo – Rose was, possibly still is a real threat to Kate.
Rose’s own brother confirmed to someone after a few drinks at the club that Rose was keeping William company and that it started because they had shared dinners together while Kate was away. Then, oops! Those facts were conveniently omitted in the updated version of the story but enough people saw the first version.
Who knows what Kate being away meant other than the possibility that she was in London while the kids were in school and Will was doing his thing in Norfolk.
Hench — agreed. Although Rose is from the aristocracy, not a commoner. She’s more accepted because she was born one of them.
@The Hench – Rose’s paternal grandmother was a bridesmaid at Elizabeth and Philip’s wedding so she’s naturally more comfortable in these circles than Kate.
I agree though with what you say; and Rose is the kind of woman Kate has always wanted to be, in terms of comfort and acceptance among the titled, posh home, posh style, etc.
Thank you @Elizabeth and @Maria for the info on Rose’s background – clearly she was very well connected then even before her marriage – so yes, even more of a reason she would make Kate, who is so desperate to be accepted by the aristo set, feel threatened and insecure.
If anything, Rocksavage would be bisexual IMO. If it was simply a marriage of convenience, they’d have married then gotten pregnant a year later. A shotgun marriage wouldn’t have been in offing. When R&R are together, they are Together. When he is away, she has her own amusements.
I tend to believe Houghton Hall was William’s convenient playground for his affairs. I’m still not convinced Rose is the other woman, as much as she’s an aristocrat and that’s what they do for other aristocrats. Amner Hall was Charles’ playground for his affairs with Camilla and others. Like father, like son.
@Fani …You hit the nail on the head! The pictures say it all. Kate looks very pleased with the situation. Rose looks worried. Meanwhile William is smirking and sneaking a look at the two he is bedding women kissing each other. These pictures are priceless.
I don’t think William is smirking. He looks as if he’s thinking his wife and mistress talking is really awkward.
In the top photo Rose looks mortified and Kate looks like the cat that swallowed the canary. William seems to be more attuned to Rose’s husband than Rose- perhaps he is relieved that Rose’s husband showed up for these make nice photos. There are people in toxic, unhappy marriages. They suck people into their drama and then spit them out when they are done with them. It is all so unfortunate.
I think Rose actually set up the event, so she probably has other things on her mind outside of keeping Kate entertained. Since Kate didn’t have to do anything but show up and smile to take credit, she’s probably having a ball.
Rose and her husband have an “unconventional” marriage. It’s alleged that he’s bi (he lived with a very dicey guy in Paris before Rose came into the picture) and that their relationship is open. The aristo crowd have a pretty loose attitude when it comes to affairs so I can totally see William and Rose entering into an affair without batting an eye. Why not? It’s convenient – they’re practically next door neighbours. His marriage to Kate has never prevented him from playing around and she was pregnant at the time. He strikes me as the kind of dickhead who doesn’t find pregnant women attractive and with a couple of toddlers and a baby on the way he probably wanted to get away from the responsibility of parenthood as he does with his responsibility to work. Rose strikes me as a much more “interesting” person than Kate – she’s artsy, very philanthropic, and has a “boho” vibe about her. Kate…well we all know she’s as bland as tapioca and despite doormatting for William, when the rumours started to fly she’d had enough. Which leads me to the spat with Meghan – I’m sure Meghan is aware of what went down with William and Rose and understood that Kate was very stressed out, having just given birth as well, and that’s why she was so conciliatory about the so-called crying scene.
Uncle Gary was known to have announced that William liked women with small boobs, hence why we see Kate do a rapid weight loss after each delivery.
I think it will eventually come out. Maybe not now. Maybe not in 5 years. Maybe not even in 10 years. Maybe not even with Rose as the other woman.
But eventually, something will come out. Even if it’s just in little drops like the Rose story.
In a world of global social media, this will only stay quiet for so long. And already the murmurs are getting louder. William throwing Meghan under the bus to hide his cheating will not grant him sympathy when the truth really does surface.
William’s only hope against the press is to stop all affairs from this point on. I don’t see how this won’t eventually reach critical mass otherwise. There will come a point where he has nothing to barter with. The kids won’t be as little and cute, Harry and Meghan are gone, even Andrew won’t keep the press satisfied forever.
If he started to be completely faithful and managed to keep them at bay for a few years, it might be far enough in the past to be a smaller story when it eventually breaks. If it’s still going though, or happens again, the press will demand more and more and more to keep it quiet.
Or they get a divorce.
I’ve never been on board with the divorce theories because William is a lazy man who enjoys the easy pr he gets from Kate’s homemaker and middle-class imagery but he will absolutely use her to save his own skin.
This might be how William throws Kate and the Middletons under the bus.
He won’t and can’t stop. Mainly because of his massive ego and overbearing mindset that he is the most important person above anyone else, and also cheaters don’t tend to just “turn it off”. That would require him having a conscience, which I absolutely do not think he has. At all. Also, his father couldn’t and wouldn’t give up Camilla. Why would Will be any different when he’s in the exact same position Charles was back in the day?
William’s last card to play would be to accuse Kate of having her own affairs. Just like Charles.
I mean it’s not crazy to think about. Will is popular with the right wing crowd. If he really wants to, he can throw a whole social climber-gold digging-cheating wife angle and it can actually stick. Kate is never going to sit in front of a camera and the Middleton PR machine will grind to a halt because the papers would rather cover William imo. Now, I don’t think William loves anyone enough to throw away Kate-she’s his ride or die. She will support anything.
The affair drips, while embarrassing for Kate now, can actually be a guardian angel if/when the time comes. If I was the Middletons, I would up my shade/tea against William slowly.
William is complete trash, just as bad or worse than Charles because Kate looks absolutely miserable! His dirt will come to light, it’s on the horizon. Somebody’s going to have the guts to out him, probably in the US, and I can’t wait
I still find it frighteningly telling that there are pictures of Kate and Rose being cordial as hell post affair but Kate froze Meghan out at that Commonwealth service I think it was.
The only defense I will give Kate is maybe the timeline is off and she didn’t know yet at the time of the event…..often times affairs happen right under our noses and we don’t see it because it’s a “family friend.”
I’m referring to church pictures that were taken after the Rose story was out there
Well that is because Rose 🥀 allowed Kate to have power over her. They did a church photo op where Rose was following behind Kate and Bill. What a chump.
Cordial? The church pictures I saw had the two women distinctly separated in their own camps without any interactions. To me it was clear that both of them were forced to go along with the photo op. Though Kate did put up a happier, more nonchalant front than Rose, who looked rather annoyed to be there.
I think the real reason William is “distressed” about the US reporting on the Royal Family is he doesn’t want the US press to start talking about his affair.
It would look bad if it is an american outlet who spill the tea. People would assume Harry and Meghan are behind it as retaliation.
Ha! This site is living proof that this has been being talked about long before H&M would have any reason to retaliate.
Rose who?
So W and K are behind all negative stories in UK press? That’s a lot.
So what? If William or the British press made a stink about it, they would have to mention the rumor in question, getting it out to mainstream British coverage, which is the opposite of what William wants.
Eh, all it would take is for the reporting to note that the rumors started in 2019, while Harry and Meghan were still in the UK. People would connect the dots fairly quickly, especially with the coinciding increase in the smears against Meghan.
There is documented discussion of the affair before Harry ever set foot in the US. That won’t stop someone who has solid confirmation of this story. No one other than Kate supporters will blame Harry and Meghan if a story about William cheating comes out.
Its only a matter of time before the full story gets out. It was the same with Charles and Diana. First stories of screaming arguments, then stories of them not being seen together, etc. You can only keep a lid on a boiling pot for so long before it explodes. It could be one of the women involved who blows the cover, who knows? Harry and Meghan were right to get away and stay away before that bunch in the UK implodes.
Exactly. Rumours are swirling that Wm spends most of his time at Sandringham now and Kate at Anmer, they only get together when they do their silly Zoom calls.
I wonder what their setup is like now that they’re back in London. Maybe William just flies back to Norfolk after these recent appearances.
Hence the big tree fence at KPto obscure who takes helicopters and when, more secretive now, as they are elsewhere.
Connecting massive Apartment 1 (formerly the Gloucesters) is now empty. He could be staying there.
Imagine being told all your life that you are master of all you survey. Then, when you finally get ready to take a wife, all the eligible bachelorettes in your circle turn you down and run for the hills. You then end up having to marry down. The horror. No wonder PwT is always so incandescent with rage
Kate has to hang out with her husbands mistress. Hahhahahaaaa….lmao.
Seriously, that is gross.
But Kate willingly tossed her respect and dignity in the trash for status and money decades ago. Definition of a gold digger.
Kate and Rose have never been friends. The only women in Kate’s circle are her mother and sister (her rival since birth) and the couple of women she used to get in to William’s circle. Rose has always been her society rival, because the Toffs like Rose and don’t Kate.
Also, happy Rural Rival anniversary Celebitchies! Insane how much has happened in the royal world and nonroyal world in the past two years.
The hamfisted way William has gone about protecting this affair makes me think there’s either an illegitimate child out there or he caught feelings. I still don’t buy it’s Rose. She has a far better life as lady of Houghton Hall, than FFC. She has freedom and money to do as she pleases without the press being in her business 24/7. She’s beholden to no one, except her hubby. She’s involved and she’s a convenient cover. It’s not as if her husband doesn’t hold a substantial position in the Royal institution. She, like Meghan, would be expected to fall on her sword for the Crown, to protect the heir. If William truly wanted to protect her, he could. Her name would not have leaked. We know William has cheated with other women and their names have never been revealed, so why is Rose’s name out there? Because of Kate and her mother leaking that idiotic rural rival story. Now, again, William could have shut that shit down, instead he threw Meghan to the wolves and had Richard Kay come out with that story that elevated Rose into the conversation even more. Very suspicious. There has to be more to the story. It’ll come out eventually.
Anyway, Harry is never going to forgive William for harming Meghan and putting her and Archie’s lives in danger. People trying to tie Harry’s anger into William cheating on Kate are centering her and her kids over Meghan and Archie. Stop it. Harry’s life is his wife and child. They take precedent over everyone else.
Oh damn — an illegitimate child would DEFINITELY be the smoking gun that would explain why all are SO desperate to keep this under wraps. Even Charles wasn’t that low. But that means it definitely isn’t Rose (or only her)….but there are also plenty of rumors of unnamed women out there and something like that could be covered up if we never find out who those other women are.
I’ve always assumed the whole lot of them have bastard kids every where. But maybe there is a baby mama itching to talk.
If you go through the replies to the tweets Kaiser posted, someone on there says that the rumour is that the Hanbury’s youngest might be Will’s. Don’t know if the timings work btw so this could be rubbish. I’m off to google now!
I don’t believe that. I have seen pictures of all the children and they look like their father.
Word is that Rose herself or someone with her permission leaked the story about the falling out to get the rumors going but not an outright accusation in order to slap Keen back. More like a subtle warning.
Then Prince Cain, the Incandescent, completely overreacted and went running to the press. Rose and/or others did not expect it since that’s usually not how things are done in those circle. Cain and Keen were supposed to take heed and move on.
But here we are.
I still think Rose is/was one of his mistresses because she fits his type (slim brunette) and she’s conveniently accessible to him (location and social circle).
This is interesting, and I hope we learn more about how these deals work.
At the same time, it must suck to have the media aggressively prying into your personal life to the point where you have to get lawyers involved. Regular people who cheat on their spouses (or get cheated on) get to process the shame and consequences without the world watching… So I have some sympathy, I guess.
I’m saving my sympathy. Regular people don’t have to worry about media prying but they also would not have the resources and clout to pay attorneys to threaten would they? Plus using a vulnerable, pregnant relative to distract from the affair? Gross!
I can only imagine how enraged Harry was at the thought his pregnant wife was put through all all that for Wills to protect his affairs. The stress on the baby too. WOW.
And on a shallow note, in the pics above where Kate and Rose are walking together – Kate looks alarmingly thin even next to Rose and Rose is a think woman too. Makes me think that stress is also involved here.
@hench Hanbury’s youngest was born in 2016. So that would predate Kate’s pregnancy with Louis. But it would still be a possibility of he’s been having a long term fling with her. Maybe something Kate even knew about. But maybe said paternity didn’t come out until 2018.
Well, I’d imagine it’ll be pretty easy to see if Rose’s youngest is Will’s… Just look for GIGANTIC teeth and an egg head! Those Windsor genes are pretty damn strong… Just take a look at Beatrice and Eugenie.
Except Beatrice looks like a Hanover and Eugenie like a Bowes-Lyon
I found a picture of Rose’s youngest child – she looks nothing like Willileaks, but resembles her mother.
@Snuffles – thank you. I fell down a Rose rabbit hole on google which was stuffed full of “had an affair with William” stories but the one thing I did not find was the youngest’s birthday! Sooo – 2016. As you say, perfectly possible that it had been going on for years but I would have thought that rumours about the child’s paternity would have been rife from birth rather than two years later if all the Toffs knew about it. Unless of course Brain of Britain William absent-mindedly responded to Kate’s pregnancy news thus:
Kate: I’m pregnant with your third child!
Wills: Fourth actually.
*awkward silence*
“I already have a third child.”
All the Rocksavage children resemble their father, they do not belong to William.
I don’t see Rose ever having William’s child. If there was a mistake she would have taken care of it. Legitimacy is a big deal in those circles and with DNA tests now there is no point in trying to pass of his child as another.
If there is an illegitimate child out there, it is likely linked to one of the more anonymous women mentioned, like the American lawyer that some claimed he had an affair with in 2017. Or a banker who lived in London. Not being part of the aristo crowd they might believe that carrying a child of the future future king even illegitimate might provide them a future. Similar to what happens with athletes.
I always find it interesting that when Harry gets unfavorable press there are many people who have day to day experience with him coming to his defense. The same cannot be said for William. The only times, at least that I have seen, when people come to William’s defense it seems forced or to combat what another person(s) with day to day experience with William have called him out. He doesn’t seem to be a very likeable person. Even though William was attractive when he was younger, all the articles describe him as being awkward, letting everyone know his future role while Harry was always the more likable and effortlessly “cool.” Power or perceived power can be damaging. If this story doesn’t go mainstream, another one will. All is not well in Camp Cambridge. Even though they don’t like the masks, they should wear them for as long as possible. Right now all we can see are the dead eyes.
You’re right, its always anonymous “friends” or palace sources, never anyone with a name that speaks up for him, or Kate either for that matter. It does seem odd, doesn’t it?
I always found it interesting how many of Diana’s famous friends are exclusively friends with Harry. Like Elton John sang at Harry’s wedding but William had to book Ellie Goulding to sing at his. And Ellie wasn’t even a world-famous pop star at the time yet.
Yes ans Harry is more closer to the Spencer’s than William. You see him at their weddings but never Will.
Harry and Elton John also have a bond through shared work around HIV/AIDS.
It’s super creepy how similar Rose and Kate look in these photos.
Whenever I post a comment in the DM that refers to Willie and Rose in any way, shape or form, it never makes it to be published. Not even the comments that are supposedly not moderated. So, yeah. There was a deal for sure.
The only thing I’ve never understood about the affair is the issue of William’s security. I doubt anyone in the RF can move for security these days. I know it was pretty lax in previous decades, but I can’t see William losing his security officers for a couple of hours of how’s your father with the woman down the road. Maybe these people are paid enough to ‘look the other way’ and not feel anything for his wife (I suspect both Kate and William have the same security team). I’d feel so sorry for Kate if I knew what was going on. What a position to put your staff in, making them slightly complicit in this way. And, if none of this is actually about Rose and about some other poor woman, I really feel for Rose. If she is staying silent while facing rumour after rumour, she must be made of strong stuff. And let’s not forget her husband. If this is all rubbish, he surely must want to put the record straight. Maybe I’m being too kind here, and their silence is what is speaking volumes.
Their security staff are there to protect them for threats, not from themselves. Even when younger, I bet their security wouldn’t be able to stop them from risky behaviour unless they were asked about it by Charles, their father, for example.
Ennie, you’re right. But my point was more, can you imagine being a security officer hanging around waiting for someone to see his fling? I suspect they must know that William was visiting her alone and her house had no one else in it. It’s pretty grim for them. And I wonder whether W would have the cheek to put them through it.
Security did the same for his father.
Imagine being Andrew’s security, having to hang around pedophiles? Because Andrew’s security accompanied him when he visited Epstein.
Robin, the security staff (and hotel staff) were made to hang around while Kate was changing bikinis on the sundeck facing a public road. And when W&K were engaging in an ‘intimate act of marriage’. I’d hate to be a security person.
I want receipts! Harry mentioned an “arrangement” with the tabs, I certainly believe it exists, but my impression is the general public won’t believe it until there’s proof.
As noted above, try posting a comment about Will and Rose on the DM and see if it gets published. It wont, thier is your receipt.
I think all the keen kingmaker Kate stories are from mama Middleton. Will doesn’t like Kate. You can see it. I think if and when more negative press comes out, will is going to throw Kate away and find a 2nd wife to be happy with. Kate embarrasses him. Seeing Meghan speak without having to read off of a paper, be able to command a room made him angry and jealous so he began to try to destroy the relationship. Now he wants someone who is more interesting and useful.
That’s a very interesting theory in terms of the self-sabotaging of his relationship with Kate. I’m having trouble pinpointing when exactly things appeared to have gone cold between them. Like I was saying yesterday on another post, it was obvious that in the first few years of their marriage, their relationship looked visibly pretty healthy. Both of them seemed like happier people. But the last few years, it’s obvious to anyone with a brain that they are miserable together. However, I’m still not 100% convinced William will ever divorce Kate–she’s too much of a convenient doormat for him, plus he’s determined to ride that “wholesome family man” image into the sunset. But, just over a year ago, none of us ever really believed Harry and Meghan would move to California either, so stranger things have happened.
They looked amiable when they got married but not in love. I’ve said this before but their wedding was so telling. He didn’t even turn around to look at her when she walked down the aisle. Her father lifted her veil. When he held her hand for the vows he dropped it immediately. He didn’t help her into the carriage or try to till he spied cameras on him.
He doesn’t wear a ring, which is not in itself a huge deal but combined with everything is consistent with this behavior (not to mention the articles he put out at the time of the wedding that spouted a fabricated story about it being common for royal men not to wear them when that’s not even true).
The Olympic embrace was absolutely PR.
He married her for dynastic reasons, convenience, and probably to get some of his inheritance.
That said, yes, they were much better at putting up the front in years past despite the stories of her living in Anglesey being a lie (she was papped in London several times a week during these times) and the story of him hiking around with the ring in his knapsack stolen directly from an engagement story of another aristo who proposed to their partner weeks before (they were documented to be in London during that fabled Kenya proposal trip).
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Imo the Olympic embrace was not for pr. Maybe more of caught up in the excitement? It looked awkward as hell because I don’t believe they are physically affectionate much. Even they through KP and RR stated they are not going to show physical affection in public because “protocol” which is complete bs as every other royal does it.
The Olympic ‘hug’ looked like PR to me, with them staring right at the waiting camera to pose.
They were better at pretending affection in public in the early days. Now they can’t even be bothered.
I think things really changed around the time she was pregnant with George. He wasn’t around much at that point and she was staying at Buckleberry instead of Apt 1 and Anmer.
She was living with mummy or in the London flat the majority of the pregnancy with George, then with her parents for 5-6 months after he arrived.
They didn’t move to Apartment 1A until 2014, the year after PGTips was born. They were still at NottCott when in London and pretending Kate lived in Wales on the regular. They didn’t moved to Anmer until spring 2015, right before CC arrived.
William’s face in that first photo- look at me I am shagging them both lol
You know what…I really want that story to break out. I really want to see William getting caught up in his own web of lies. This man is awful.
I saw that you were speaking about other RF in Europe, yep they all seem pretty normal. Yes there are problems I guess but family wise everything seems pretty normal. The Norwegian Prince Haakon married a divorcee with a child and his wife has a pretty wild background. But it’s seems that she was excepted. Today I saw something about the Luxembourg RF and their Queen was explaining how happy she is with all of her grandchildren and how the royal families should show that they are together as families because thats what makes them closer to people. I think she was throwing some shade there lol It’s the BM that produced bullies, pedophiles and jealous little men.
I hope HM had receipts about Willie affairs too and release it on US medias.
My god, I never thought I could actually HATE someone I’ve never even met, but I swear that the more that comes out about William throwing his pregnant sister-in-law to the wolves to protect his wandering dick, the more I activately hate his guts.
Sorry all I still don’t understand what is so detrimental about alleged affair or affairs involving William. That idiot should have just let the stories slide. Does the average person really think an heir and future King would be faithful? Really? Even if an affair was exposed, males generally can get through with some good PR. Just trot out a good apology, some family PR, Kate saying she forgives him blabla and everything goes back to normal. People would sympathise with Kate and turn on the other woman (which the royal family do not care about). People won’t accuse Kate of being a doormat, they have never cared about her personality or workload. We’ve seen it before. I think the possible harm of an affair to the British monarchy is overrated but all these denying and then throwing HM under the bus is making things worse. Indirectly it has led to accusations of racism which is an even bigger issue than accusations of infidelity. That undermines your position within the Commonwealth and your minority subjects in the UK. In summary, William fucked up.
The bigger issue that average people would care about (besides racism – and we all know white people still let it slide) is if the monarchy harbours an alleged pedophile or is allegedly money laundering / evading tax or cooking its books. It’s much more difficult to come back from that and white people would also be enraged.
Charles has been the most successful Prince of Wales, hundreds of millions raised in charity funds. William will never touch that amount of work or success. All William has over his father is pretend ‘fidelity’ and happy family PR. If it is openly known that William is not only lazy but cheats constantly? All the PR power ends up in Charles’s hands.
The royal family has to care about this other woman. Her husband’s family has an official role to play every year around Parliament. This generation it is Rose’s husband. During Charles’s reign it rotates to another family. William’s reign, should it happen? Rose’s husband or her eldest son will fulfill that role. Every year at opening of parliament, Rose and her husband will be there.
Fair analysis Nota but I still maintain (to me) it is overrated. A very good PR team for the rich and famous can tackle infidelity for their clients, especially male clients. It’s not a rare PR crisis. Allegations of financial misconduct of taxpayers money splashed all over the legitimate media and tabloid? That’s not going to be easy to fix.
I don’t think infidelity is a PR crisis, merely that the monarchy won’t freeze out Rose or her husband over any affairs. That won’t happen.
The public hasn’t shown enough interest in Andrew to repeatedly call for his arrest and extradition. They haven’t continually demanded the removal of his security, HRH, or title. They’ve shrugged over the money scandals related to Duchy of Lancaster, the missing upkeep money for Buck House requiring an additional 600 million, etc.
I have two words why the BRF will survive this: Stockholm Syndrome. While the rest of the world is marching on to the future, the British public and the BRF still cling to the myth that the sun will never set on the British Empire. That is why the commonwealth is so important to them. As long as the commonwealth exists they can continue to pretend that they still are still a force to be reckoned with.
William has benefited for 20 years as the palace swapped stories against Harry. There is not so much certainty as to when he started to actively leak/brief against his brother and later included Meghan.
The tabloid’s definition of accountability is 2 fold media intrusion and syncopation. To gain access they will write negative articles get invited to the palace-get a meeting the give better press. This has replaced the inscrutability. The Queen has mastered this technique, until 1969, the RF kept up with tradition, then the documentary.
They are thoroughly modernised. They give into swapped stories, leaked items to provide drama and gossip out of fear.
William took it further when he sided with BTM against Harry and Meghan, with the daily fail openly boasted about the fact that Harry and Meghan will not listen to them and that they were ‘exiled’ because they no longer want the RR as they did their duties.
Now he has to do what they say.