Duchess Camilla has probably always hated thunder-stealing Duchess Meghan

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Before the Duke and Duchess of Sussex found freedom in America, they were constantly being accused of “stealing the thunder” of various royals. It was never a situation where “all of these royals are doing great work and we can pay attention to everyone.” It was always “Charles/William/The Queen are so disappointed that Harry and Meghan chose to breathe on this special day.” The Windsors truly blamed Meghan and Harry for being so charismatic and for getting so much attention. It was that way to the very end of Harry and Meghan’s time in the UK. Even in their You Could Have Had a Bad Bitch farewell tour in March 2020, palace officials were still in meltdown mode over all of the thunder-stealing. It wasn’t just William, Charles and the Queen either – apparently, the Duchess of Cornwall was in her feelings about how much attention Meghan and Harry got during their farewell tour:

Last year, the Duchess of Sussex sparked fury by breaking a pledge not to overshadow a long-planned speech by Camilla on domestic violence. The Duchess of Cornwall was left “very upset” after Meghan insisted photos of her at a theatre appeared on the day as she gave the important address, Royal Editor Russell Myers revealed.

Prince Charles’ wife had been planning the speech on the 10th anniversary of the Women of the World Festival in London for nearly a year. But Meghan broke a pledge not to overshadow Camilla’s vital campaign against abuse by demanding the pictures of her private visit to the National Theatre be published the same day.

Palace officials remained tight-lipped about the row after Meghan went rogue with her own secret ­arrangements. But one well-placed insider said: “Camilla’s work is very important to her and her decision to highlight the scourge of domestic violence at the 10th ­anniversary of Women of the World was a carefully thought-out plan. Over the last four years she has worked tirelessly, mostly behind the scenes but to great effect, to use her ­platform and personal experiences to highlight the issue and help sufferers. Of course it was known Harry and Meghan would be doing engagements this week, some privately, but everyone was in agreement that Camilla’s speech should take precedence. ­Unfortunately some people had other ideas.”

The move sparked shock and fury inside the Palace, with insiders revealing how Meghan “refused to listen” to the pleas of staff who she and Harry sacked when they announced they were quitting royal life. Her theatre pictures were taken by a handpicked photographer Chris Allerton, who snapped her wedding to Prince Harry and their son Archie’s ­christening.

[From The Daily Mirror]

This just serves as a reminder that Harry and Meghan are so happy to be out of that toxic environment, where they were always being told they couldn’t do this or that because it would take attention from someone else in the family. I didn’t actually remember this story, but I looked it up and we did talk about it at the time. Interesting that in the Daily Mirror’s sudden review of the situation, they didn’t mention how Buckingham Palace instructed royal reporters that Camilla’s speech took precedence over Meghan’s theatre visit, only to see Meghan’s Instagram photos lead the news that day. Meghan and Harry really didn’t give a sh-t at that point. They would leave that dusty isle a few days later.

As for the timing of the Daily Mirror repeating this particular story… why is Camilla suddenly desperate to be involved in stories about the Sussexes? Earlier this week, we heard that Camilla “won’t ever forgive” Meghan for what Meghan (and Meg alone) “has done to Charles.” Is Camilla making some kind of play here? Why does she want everyone to know right now that she also hates Meghan, and she has all of these “reasons” to hate Meghan?

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  1. Southern Fried says:

    Well look at her grown life’s work record, being as big a bitch as possible.

    • M says:

      Honestly – domestic abuse work? Someone famous for inflicting severe psychological and emotional abuse on a woman and her marriage via her affair, is an anti-abuse advocate?

      • swirlmamad says:

        It really does sound utterly insane when you put it that way….

      • AnneSurely says:

        Yeah, Camilla is going to want to be careful not to fly too close to the sun on this one. If this is even her putting this out. I’ve spent my adult life volunteering with victims of DV and folks in the older generations are reluctant to accept that cheating is a form of abuse. I certainly wouldn’t have my org working with literally the most notorious side piece of the last half century, especially when she participated so heavily in an abusive, gas-lighting campaign against her lover’s wife.

      • nina says:


      • Haylie says:

        Yup. Camilla is no friend of abused women. She is an abuser.

      • ElleV says:

        i mean, will did that anti-racism speech… sooooooo… seems like they take on causes that reflect their guilty consciences lol

      • Cisne says:

        My sentiments exactly! Basically she and Charles planned to use a teenager as broodmare to ensure that Charles had what she could not give him and for them to be able carry on their affair/relationship in the meantime. Terrorizing the poor girl through it all too.
        Domestic what? These people are just clueless. Talk about tone deafness!!

        And to Diana’s memory and those who love her and read this comment my apologies, but those are the bare bone facts any way you dressed it up. Well maybe I could use “incubator” instead of broodmare. These people and I mean the whole royal family, especially LIz, her Mother and Phillip should be ashamed of how themselves. In Diana’s case especially, they were just above Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffery Epstein level when you think about it. They provided little to no support for young Diana knowing full well what situation was designed to be….man I am done thinking about this. It just roils my stomach.

      • Tessa says:

        If she had compassion for women, She would have backed off once Charles got engaged no phone calls no meetings no nothing.

      • h-barista says:

        @Cisne, So well expressed. As for ‘broodmare’, Prince Phillip did say on Charles’s engagement to Diana

        “Good. She’ll breed height into the line”

      • terra says:

        @h-barista: Well, for once Phillip wasn’t wrong, even if it was a terrible reason to be okay with using another human being since TOB and Harry *are* tall. At least some people got what they wanted at the expense of Diana’s mental health!

      • Lenni says:


    • Cessily says:

      As a survivor, Camilla is the last person I would listen to on what I lived through and still struggle to live with. She and Charles were the absolute cause of emotional and psychological abuse of Princess Diana, I’m sure they had a very heavy hand in the abuse heaped on the Duchess of Sussex. She was and always will be a vile person.

    • MMadison says:

      Camilla Who??

    • minx says:

      I’ve never bought Camilla as this fun loving, non-fashion plate, down to earth Royal who likes her drinks. She puts herself and Charles first, last and forever. She loves the perks she gets for coddling her big baby of a husband, giving him the soothing and attentive mother figure he never had.

      • Tessa says:

        There are some reports that she spends a lot of time at Raymill to see her children and grandchildren. She may not have to “put up with” Charles all the time. Camilla I think put herself first.

    • Melanie says:

      Why are you forgetting Diana signed up for the job? This is how royalty works. They are not like you and me. The lineage must go on. Diana knew before she got married that Charles was involved with Camilla. Get over it. Everyone wants to blame someone else. It’s an epidemic.

      • Kalana says:

        Diana was a teenager. When she questioned Charles about what was going on, he called her crazy. She tried to get out of it and was pressured into going through with the wedding.

        Also, let’s not ignore that Charles was incredibly indiscreet and disrespectful. The mistress is not supposed to be invited to behave like the hostess when the wife is away. Philip wasn’t pulling those kinds of shenanigans on Elizabeth.

      • minx says:

        @Melanie, I don’t think “everyone wants to blame someone else.” They want to blame Charles, rightfully so, and not Diana, the victim.

      • isabella says:

        Also, the gaslighting was real.

      • TigerMcQueen says:

        Diana was nineteen, was immature, and was extremely (and very obviously) infatuated with Charles. Out of all the people involved, she was the most innocent. And she most certainly did not expect her husband to continue to see another woman while he was married, to have her mental health needs ignored, or to be gaslit by that vile family about how SHE was in the wrong.

        I mean, y’all can excuse the living f*** out of me, but I put the onus on that situation on the grown a** adults, all of them over 30. Not the teenager.

        And @Isabella, the gaslighting was not only real then, you can see it’s still happening now. (I mean, who cares that Charles and Camilla mentally abused Diana, she knew he’d been involved with other women before she married him, so that means their behavior doesn’t count!!! FFS)

      • Tessa says:

        Yes, she did know. However she thought Charles was a “good man” and trusted him. She told Morton as she walked down the aisle and saw Camilla she thought well that’s over. Diana should not be blamed for this, Charles knew the score and saw the lovestruck teen and the way she looked at him. If he had told her all she would have had a chance to leave the scene. She thought that since he proposed he loved her. Camilla did not leave the scene and Charles would “reassure” Diana saying Camilla was “just a friend.” Diana as the saying goes did not ask for this bad treatment. She believed in Charles and fell for his line. Charles was involved with Camilla but Diana was a lot younger and not in his “circle” the Highgrove set and did not observe C and C for years. In the early seventies when C and C first met she was 9 years old Also technically Charles did not have to produce an heir, that’s what the line of succession is for to provide a list of those who succeed the immediate heir.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Melanie this sounds a lot like what Sussex detractors say about Meghan, that she “knew what she was getting into,” and I think most of us here agree that with both Diana and Meghan, it was impossible to truly understand how horrendous it would be until they were in it.

        Neither one of them could have predicted the circumstances that made their lives hell. Diana was a victim, and Camilla SHOULD be blamed for her part in it.

  2. Scorpion says:

    Lmao at the irony and hypocrisy of Camilla being patron of a domestic violence charity when she helped gaslight and undermine a young Diana.

    The jokes write themselves 😁😁😁😁

  3. Zapp Brannigan says:

    Doesn’t seem too smart for Camilla to be attacking the wife of Diana’s son in the press. How long before Harry responds with a few home truths?

    • Wiglet Watcher says:

      The press lays off of Camilla at this point because Charles is the next king and stories like this feeds the BM Beast. I can’t see how the BM would turn on Camilla for this. And it’s not even attacking Harry. It’s attacking Meghan. Someone they separate from Harry when writing even though it’s his wife.

      • Amy Bee says:

        @Wiglet watcher: At the time, press were as angry as Camilla about it. I remember members of the Royal rota complaining that Meghan stole Camilla’s spotlight.

      • swirlmamad says:

        @Amy Bee, so funny….as if they don’t control who gets what kind of coverage. But sure, blame Meghan for the vultures rabidly descending on her event as opposed to Camilla’s.

      • Amy Bee says:

        @Swirlmamad: It was strange because they could have just ignored Meghan and focused on Camilla but they didn’t or felt like they couldn’t.

      • BayTampaBay says:

        @Amy Bee – It is like the commentariat of the Daily Fail blaming British Press coverage of the Sussexes on Meghan & Harry.

        If you do not like the British Press coverage of Meghan & Harry do not blame the Sussexes, blame the British Press.

      • ElleE says:

        @Baytampabay the Daily Mail just ran it’s 1st story on Brexit being responsible for food shortages. The DM is the 1st Brexit media outlet to do so and it is a game-changer.

        Things are getting very bad in the UK and the desperate attempts to keep the readers distracted with fan fic b!tch fights involving Camilla aren’t working. I keep saying the BRF is used to distract the public but when even the BBC is blaming Brexit for the food shortages, it won’t be long before the American Duchess is pushed out of the headlines.

        Check out A Different Bias on YT for info on the BM tactics and headline analysis 🧐 I have learned a lot about the BM from that channel.

    • Southern Fried says:

      Very soon, I hope.

    • SarahLee says:

      If she really is worried about the tea that Harry might spill in his autobiography, is attacking his wife publicly really the best play here? I always thought Camilla was smarter than that. Unless she and Charles are truly worried that between The Crown, Spencer, and Harry’s book, her position as Queen will be truly threatened.

      • swirlmamad says:

        Right? This book is nowhere near completed and can easily be modified and added to. But sure, keep poking the bear….

      • L4frimaire says:

        I actually think it’s William who really loathes her. KP are the ones always going on about Kate being the future Queen, with never a mention of Camilla.

    • GRUEY says:

      Ok conspiracy theory time. This is Bullyiam trying to get Harry to expose Camilla.

  4. Jane says:

    Or is it the case that all of the other senior royals and their interactions with Meghan and Harry are so well-trodden (and toxic) at this point that this is the only alternative? Camilla’s opinion and perspective, whether it’s true or entirely manufactured by royal reporters, is one that we haven’t yet heard and had a chance to get bored of/have contradicted/have refuted. Of course, no one actually cares what Camilla has to say about anything, and it’s possible that this might remind a lot of the older royal watchers that they hate Camilla because of Diana and make them feel a smidgen of sympathy for Meghan (the enemy of my enemy, and all that).

    • Mac says:

      Or the BRF are so desperate to keep Andrew out of the news they are throwing Camilla under the bus.

      • Harper says:

        The sudden emergence of Camilla in the headlines is suspicious. Is this all CarolE has left after she and Kate got their hands slapped this summer?

      • BabsORIG says:

        This right here.👏🏾👏🏾 Camilla better watch her freakin back. Im not saying Camilla was nice to Meg, no I believe every one of those people is racist. But why now? This BRF is very well known for devouring its own. And everyone knows how Camilla is Charles’ achilles so maybe1) someone is getting back at Charles for reneging on his promise to give the DoE to title?🤷🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️ 2) someone is getting back at Charles for making demands about Andrew situation? 🤷🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️ 3) Or maybe Camilla herself pissed some people off and they decided to expose her? 🤷🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️ I mean it could be a number of options but I am very doubtful that this is Camilla’s decision to put herself out there.

      • Nic919 says:

        This seems odd because we did not have many “Camilla hates Meghan “ stories for years and suddenly they are all showing up at once. Something is going on behind the scenes and I tend to think it’s KP doing this, but if you said it was Andrew, I wouldn’t be shocked either.

      • Lorelei says:

        My first reaction to reading this — before I read any of the comments — was wow, they must be super desperate to be writing about Camilla because she generally never gets any attention at all. But they’ve beaten everyone else’s issues with Meghan into the ground for so long that we could recite them. People were tired of reading the same sh!t day in and day out, but they needed *something* to print, so here we are with Camilla. There is no other reason other than desperation for them to scrape the bottom of the barrel like this.

        I’m surprised they haven’t forced William and Kate to release some pictures of the kids or something, even if they’re on their ridiculous two-month-plus vacation. That’s usually their first move when they need new content. It’s unusual for them to blow right by that option and focus on Camilla.

      • swirlmamad says:

        @Lorelei, maybe it’s because they know that whatever is currently going on in House Cambridge is a total clusterF and it’s wayyyy past using photos of the kids as a bandage for the sore at this point.

    • Jegede says:

      Naah. Clarence House have also happily leaked anti-Meghan stories to the press from the jump.

      From the Torygpah to Tatler.

      Everyone just seems to have forgotten them.🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

  5. TheOriginalMia says:

    Who’s using Camilla to overshadow Andrew? Because since when has Camilla beefed publicly with any of the Windsors? Nah. Someone is trying to draw her in to draw attention away from the ongoing issue of Andrew.

    • swirlmamad says:

      This is my take as well. And I think we all have a strong suspicion who it is.

    • Truthiness says:

      💯 It feels like all the senior royals have been asked to trot out narratives that deflect from Andrew’s white hot legal woes. Or maybe it’s the courtiers hard at work devising a smoke screen.

      • Lady D says:

        Why would they devise a smoke screen? At the moment, they are beyond pissed at Andrew for not taking advice or sharing with them.

      • Truthiness says:

        Andrew’s problems make a very good case for getting rid of the monarchy. It’s not just sex abuse there is money corruption, Pitch@Palace and middle eastern money accepted.

    • Jais says:

      Idk it’s weird. It could go a few ways. Like Camilla is being thrown under the bus to cover for the other racist members of the family. Making Camilla seem like the jealous one about Meghan’s shine when really that’s more Kate’s vibe. Or literally Camilla has been a bigger part of the smear campaign and they’re afraid it will come out in the book. Just can’t see a reason for these stories otherwise, unless it’s just grasping for news during the august draught or distracting from Andrew.

      • L84Tea says:

        While I feel pretty certain the baby’s skin color comment came from William, I occasionally ponder if it was actually Camilla, hence the use of the word “damaging” by Meghan in the interview. Camilla had her image rehabilitated after a huge undertaking by Charles. To then have something like that revealed about her would, correctly, be very damaging after all the work that was put in to make her acceptable to the public. I might be way off, but I sometimes wonder.

      • Nic919 says:

        I don’t think Harry would care what Camilla says. It bothered him because it from someone he cared about in some form and it’s why I say it’s William.

      • L84Tea says:

        I believe it’s most likely William too, I just occasionally wonder about all the rest of them. There’s so many odious family members to choose from…

      • TigerMcQueen says:

        I think more than one person said something. The ‘concerns’ that got to Harry the most were from his dad or William IMO, but it would not surprise me at all if those ‘concerns’ mentioned other family members agreeing.

        I’ve seen this in my own life with friends who marry someone their families don’t like…”none of us think they’re good for you…” etc.

    • MissMarirose says:

      That’s what I think too.

    • molly says:

      Camilla has never gotten involved in this stuff before. This isn’t her game at all.

    • Tessa says:

      Since Charles is apparently anxious to have Camilla crowned Queen Consort, and if william is involved, certainly he would put a stop to it. I am not getting his not doing anything in light of the PR for Kate as the “next Queen”.

    • Kfg says:

      I think this is KP. But I also think something bad is going on in KP that they need Camilla to distract from.

  6. Amy Bee says:

    This is why Camilla can’t be excluded from the smear campaign against Harry and Meghan. She did react badly at the time and her anger that she was overshadowed by Meghan was tabloid news at the time. It showed just how much the Sussexes Instagram account caused so much upset among the Windsors. Furthermore the visit to the National Theatre was to promote an exhibition that was closing on the Sunday. It made no sense for Meghan to wait for the press to report on Camilla’s speech before posting.

    • Scorpion says:

      If she was angry at being overshadowed, then Campax is as delusional as ever. Diana overshadowed her in life and still does so to this day and she has been dead for almost 24 years. Did she think Meghan was going to dim her light for her?

    • Pao says:

      The “rule” that royals can’t post about their engagement on the same day doesn’t exist. So meghan did nothing wrong.

    • KT says:

      This story is bullshit.

      Camilla is well-used to being overshadowed by every other Royal. She has won the modicum of approval that she has precisely by not trying to be the centre of attention and very quietly getting on with things. The idea that she just wants to be with Charles and didn’t want attention for herself is the only thing that has made her at all palatable.

      She should fully expect every other possible news item on any given day to overshadow whatever she is doing – as it has for decades now.

      • Tessa says:

        Camilla does call attention to herself with those huge hats. She has had a habit of looking straight at the cameras as well. Camilla also does the minimum of work but that said still does more than the much younger Kate does. I think Camilla is not a shrinking violet and is demanding, Her Image is that she is “modest” and “does not want attention.” I see the opposite. I don’t find her in the least palatable. If she had been dating Charles and married someone else (and her husband passed on or they divorced) and after Charles and Diana divorced she could “rekindle” but the thing is she’s been involved with him through most of her own marriage (to APB) and also through C and D’s marriage. If she had not treated Diana the way she did, I would find her palatable. But I never will now.

      • Gigi says:

        Camilla definitely is not a modest, shrinking violet. Old old British news articles still online from ca. 1998-2005 are full of reports about courtiers hating Camilla for being lazy AF and dodging a lot of the proto-royal duties Charles kept assigning to her during his rehabilitation scheme. She was also not interested in marrying him because she didn’t want the responsibilities of being a full-time royal. Charles himself only married her because he thought that the Queen would die shortly after the Queen Mother and Margaret did, and he didn’t want to be a single monarch.

      • Tessa says:

        I think a large reason was Charles spin doctoring. He wanted to whitewash the past of Camilla being the “other woman” and created the Great Thirty Year Love Story Spin even though he was involved with other women and some he was seriously involved with. He also “outed” Camilla as his mistress and more or less forced the Parker Bowles divorce. Whether or not the Parker Bowles wanted to wait for their divorce is subject to speculation. I think Camilla did want to marry Charles and Charles “eased her into” royal duties and started even before Diana died, with a documentary about her work with osteoporosis charity. Camilla never did any real charity work before this and Charles and Camilla were expected to “go public” with his joining her when she gave a speech about osteoporosis at a conference. This had to be postponed due to Diana’s death. I don’t think Charles thought the Queen would die at that time, she was still relatively young. It was his grandmother the QM who did not want C and C wedding in her lifetime. She did not receive Camilla according to reports, after Camilla divorced and became more of a “threat” to Charles being King, since he himself divorced and was marrying a divorced woman with a living ex husband. Charles reached the point of no return once he outed Camilla. Even her father asked Charles what he was going to do now that he outed her and forced her divorce more or less. If Camilla did not have ambitions, she would never have spoke badly about Diana nor sat at the Highgrove table as ‘hostess’ when pre C and D separation.

  7. Matthew says:

    Camilla you are playing with fire hunny

    • Cessily says:

      People might start to ask if her jealousy was behind the decision of PC to pull the security of his youngest son and grandson.. the sixth and seventh in line of succession. If anyone has damaged the Monarchy this woman is at the front of the line along with PC & PA .

      • Tessa says:

        Before they got engaged, Camilla stayed in apartments at Clarence House and Charles even housed her father for a time. She got to keep Raymill and from what I understand, Raymill has royal security even when Camilla is not there and paid by taxpayers.

  8. Wiglet Watcher says:

    This is a dumb move. The BRF is running out of members to claim they hate meghan. She seems beloved or at least respected internationally.

  9. Jodie says:

    Desperate stuff. Doubt she is bothered about the limelight.

  10. Pao says:

    Camilla is jumping on the meghan hate train to become more popular. As for this story, big LOL. Meghan had to consult everybody to get mental health help and was swiftly denied but they actually think that she has free reign over something as petty as this?

    Remember last year on the keenbridges anniversary when camilla posted something on Instagram too? Funny how people never complain about “overshadowing” when other royals do things (and post it) on the exact same day.

    • Amy Bee says:

      @Pao: She was always on the hate train. She was just less vocal about it until Meghan posted about her National Theatre visit.

      • Pao says:

        Honestly, i think multiple things could be happening here.
        1. Camilla riding the “hate Meghan” campaign to make herself more popular
        2. This story is bullshit and Camilla is being scapegoated.

        Personally i’m going for something in between. I have no doubt that camilla was upset (most likely jealous) at the fact that megs pictures got more attention. But i also think that Camilla is being used to take bad attention away from others.

        Camilla being labeled “royal racist” wouldn’t be as awful as it being Charles or William.

        Its the typical “look over there” strategy so that the heirs come out clean.

      • Emmitt says:

        Camilla being named the Royal Racist absolutely WOULD be as awful as it would be for Charles or William. Camilla is the next Queen Consort and already unpopular. Her being revealed to be the Royal Racist would not be a good look for her or Charles. I doubt it was her because William, Kate or Kris Middleton wouldn’t have any hesitations about dropping that knowledge to the royal rats.

      • Pao says:

        @Emmit: it wouldn’t be as bad because she’s already unpopular. And never has been popular. William (&kate) both care an awful lot about their image. As does Charles, whose image was proper being rehabilitated. They tried the same for Camilla but it never really took off. Older people still hate her. The new generation either hate her or doesn’t care for her. If Camilla was named as the racist people would be like: “yeah thats bad but im not really surprised”. If it were the other 3 people it would do irreparable damage.

      • teecee says:


        I disagree. Camilla (or Charles) doesn’t have that kind of popularity to destroy. (Neither does Charles.) It must be William, because he’s the only blood heir with a relatively positive reputation, and people think he’s more progressive than he is because of his age.

        Also, Harry reaction was one of personal betrayal. Camilla would not evoke that. It would have to be Charles or William or both of the men. Combine that with the “damaging” comment and it must be William.

        (That doesn’t mean some or all of the others are innocent. I am absolutely sure they are all involved in this.)

      • Lorelei says:

        @Emmitt I don’t think Camilla is necessarily the one who made the comment, but I agree that it would be just as bad because of the how protective Charles is about her; he’s spent decades working on her “image” because he so desperately wants her to be Queen without a fuss from the public, and if one of the Sussexes ever did out the skin color commenter and it was Camilla, it would send Charles into a rage that would be just as bad as it would be if they claimed it was him. IMO

      • Lady D says:

        I don’t actually have a problem with Charles being in the rage to end all rages? He is a devious, cruel, jealous, and spiteful little man who thinks he can, and does use people any way he wants. He put an international target on his son’s back to solve his problem but helps hide his pedophile brother. Chuck is a piss poor example of a father and husband. He deserves a taste of his own medicine.

  11. Oh_Hey says:

    Just a theory but I think the BRF and the RRs are outing the royal racist themselves. Camilla was totally excluded from this narrative, with the exception of the speech kurffufle, right until Harry announced his book. All hell broke loose with Camilla and her feelings after that.

    If feel like they are trying to get out in front of it and say it’s revenge for Camilla and her courtiers “sPeAkInG tHe TrUtH” about Meghan.

    • Pao says:

      Nope their covering for charles. This is the palace machinery doing its work. Protecting the heirs. And Camilla is the one paying for it. Tho im sure she was jealous as well.

      (Btw, i think the “royal racist” is william)

    • superashes4 says:

      Yeah, I stand by my theory that she was the skin color culprit (or at least one of them).

    • goofpuff says:

      That doesn’t make sense. Why would Harry bother protecting Camilla?

      Its either Charles or William. They are the only ones with something to lose. And in this case, more William than Charles.

      • superashes4 says:

        @goofpuff – I think Meghan and Harry only protected the record as to the Queen and Phillip because of Phillip’s background. Beyond that, I’m not sure their silence meant it was Charles or William and they were protecting them. I could easily see it having been Keen or Camilla, and Harry and Meghan still trying to protect them as well. I think on the whole, for as much as the BM clutched its pearls from the Oprah interview, that Meghan and Harry really held back as to the whole lot of them.

      • Lorelei says:

        They definitely held back a LOT in the Oprah interview. Which is part of why I’m bewildered at the fact that they continue to antagonize Harry on a daily basis, because he could easily decide to destroy any one of them in his book.

        I’d be keeping my mouth firmly shut if I was a member of this family, but they keep provoking Harry; it’s as if they *want* him to put some details in his book so they’ll have something to bitch about for the next few years. But they don’t seem the least bit concerned about Harry’s ire and how it could affect them. We know they have poor PR instincts, but this is so blatantly going to backfire on them.

        @OhHey: I think your last sentence is a very plausible theory! It makes the most sense to me. There are likely many things at play behind the scenes, but it is entirely possible that they’re using these slow news days of August to lay some groundwork for Camilla’s eventual defense if she’s outed in the memoir.

      • Lila says:

        Yup! I’ve said it before, but this was obviously someone who was close to Harry and someone high up who was also having discussions regarding Archie’s title and security.

  12. Tom says:

    WORLD, shut up and sit down on September 15. I’m moving and it’s a big deal. I want all my Facebook fam and friends to focus on only me that day.

    If you dare post on September 15, I won’t ever forgive you for stealing my thunder.

    • Debbie says:

      You think that’s bad (as do we all), claiming a day as yours. Well, how about those leaking courtiers and the RR preemptively claiming the whole year of 2022 because it’s the queen’s jubilee. Harry shouldn’t write a book or publish that year (from a continent away) because the queen’s doing a… thing.

  13. Jmj says:

    Or she could have embraced Meghan and worked with her, since it’s an issue Meghan’s also supportive of . What an idea! It’s almost as if this is about having the spotlight for Camilla herself and not about putting it on the cause. Hmmmm…..

    • L4frimaire says:

      That would never have happened. Camilla would never work with Meghan. These people believe in rigid hierarchy and have never been team players. This is why there is so much fuss about will they or won’t they attend the jubilee or even be invited, because if they show up, all eyes will be on them and everyone knows it. If I recall, Camilla’s story and event was published first, and Meghan’s didn’t get any press. It was only after the photos turned up on Instagram that the tabloids decided to make a stink, but it never happened the way described above. No one was pleading anything with Meghan and I recall that the National Theatre were upset they weren’t getting the publicity from the event they thought it merited, due to this royal embargo. As for Camilla hating Meghan, she seems to hate any charismatic woman, same as she hated Diana. She isn’t built for the spotlight, never was, never will be. Always the side chick, and acts like it, to this day. She also needs to learn a thing or two about the quiet dignity they seem to constantly espouse.

  14. ModeratelyWealthy says:

    This is all about Kate and William.

    Notice that Kate´s PR when regarding Meghan went from ” She made ME cry” to ” We talk all the time now, we are so close” in the past three months?

    and notice how William´s letting out his opinion on Megha- that she is the worse, a sociopath- did not make the audience start to believe in the bullying allegations one bit, and it was actually met with disdain or silence?

    Then, out of a sudden, we hear how Charles is afraid Harry will say about Camila and how Camila is mad at Meghan.

    NOW- not when Sussexit happened, but NOW.

    This is William and Kate using Camila and Charles as proxies, just like the Royal Rota rats use THE QUEEN as proxies IMO, hoping new names added to the smear campaign will make Meghan look bad.

    Since the Sussexes do not tell them anything these days, they cannot leak, hence the recycled old news being blown out of proportion…

    • Jegede says:

      Why does the narrative persist that it’s all Kate/William.

      Do people believe no one else has it out for them, but the Lamebridges?🤨

      I mean the whole “what Meghan wants Meghan gets” narrative – setting the newcomer up as a diva b!tch- came from a sanctioned CHARLES’ biography.😶

      Or Chuck’s friends going to Tatler with the heirs fears about Harry marrying Meghan.

      Has everyone forgotten OTHER family members expressions on the wedding date?🙄

      What about the now-scrubbed incident of Zara Phillips bitching nastily about Meghan at some horse racing event?🙄

      Trust the anti-Meghan factor goes far beyond Will & Keen.

      The whole “Harry come back alone” stories we’ve been having from Charles’ supporters like Penny Juror, & Hugo Vickers are not happening in a vacuum.

      • Scorpion says:


        Whats this about Zara Phillips/Tindall complaining bitchily about Meghan?? I must have missed this….

      • ModeratelyWealthy says:

        @jegede Absolutely others can be actors in this farse- absolutely.

        But, what it really makes me suspicious is the over the topness of this. Charles/ Camila camp could have definitely leaked the ” she will never forgive Meghan for what she done” because it was vague enough, did not place Charles as an active actor, painted Camily in this defensive, good wife light, and it was a one time thing.

        Charles is much more subtle in his attacks, I noticed. It is all about his ” dissapointed father” image, half lies about he was still paying for their security, how ingrateful they are…

        Now this story is much more dramatic. KP is insistent in this narrative ” Meghan does not listen to advice, she wants all the attention, she is a bully” and this is the story here. It is a complaint Kate and William constantly have with Meghan and , as I said. I completely believe Camila felt tjis way at the time and leaked, but this re-purposed bit of news is not their style- it is William´s.

        Could I be wrong? Yes!

      • Jais says:

        Hmm @jegede. That’s an interesting point about always thinking it’s the Cambridges and, must confess, that was my first thought. You’re right in that it could be anyone lol. I think maybe the Cambridges were just so obvious in their past smears with the crying story and flybe that it’s hard not to go there.

      • Amelie says:

        Jegede, I never heard anything about Zara going off about Meghan. When was this?

        I do think this bit with Camilla is an attempt to try to bolster the bullying allegations since no one seems to believe them. Although as always there’s really nothing to any of their hatred for Meghan beyond petty jealousies.

      • Amy Bee says:

        @Jedege: I agree with you 100%. The smear campaign didn’t only involve William and Kate but it was the entire family, particularly the senior royals. I don’t know why some people are intent on letting them off the hook and placing all the blame on the Cambridges.

      • Mac says:

        I think a lot of smears came from Andrew’s camp to embiggen his daughters.

      • Jegede says:


        A font on here actually linked the post, way back when.

        It was this guy Quentin Letts who tweeted something about Zara’s snide remarks about Meghan. He deleted it with a quickness.

        But left his other tweet about Betty banning guests from discussing the Sussexes in a private audience, to stand funny enough.

      • BabsORIG says:

        @Mac, you joking, right?🤨

    • L4frimaire says:

      Whether it’s Kate or William, or Camilla or Andrew, none of this is being done with the Sussexes consent. These people are once again using them. Who cares what the angle is here, how pathetic are these people that they have to constantly harp on the Sussexes to get their name out there? This is hoping to influence whatever narrative they think Harry will write and who they think he will focus his ire on. These people put out these stories ‘ owing no one will respond, and just run with it. It’s pathetic.

    • ModeratelyWealthy says:

      I really think, while the family, as a whole and for different motives, saw bashing Meghan as an opportunity to either embigen, deflect or sabotage the Sussexes.

      However, the only constant narrative has been William´s efforts in painting Meghan as a bully and as someone who refused help and was out there to destroy them since the beginning.

      He has been doubling down on this for a while. Charles and Camily leak theri one piece, then go quiet. William is the dog that cannot let go.

      ALSO, don´t you all think all this nonsense behind Camila lately sounds a lot like they are baiting Harry, daring him to say something about Camila? Charles does not want that. William, on the other hand, would love to see Harry throw Camily under the bus. His hands would be “clean” and Charles would obviously take Camila´s side and cut Harry off forever.

      • Lorelei says:

        @ModeratelyWealthy ITA that each of them had their own reasons for smearing Meghan. it’s like a bad game of Clue…here we are, trying to figure out a reason for (insert whatever headline) and the truth is that they ALL contributed, for their own selfish reasons.

        It’s farcical— I can imagine each royal reporter getting the same tip re: something to write trashing Meghan, but from like five different sources with different motives.

        My god this “family” is a MESS. I’ll never understand why Kate wanted in so desperately; no amount of jewels or servants or Bentleys is worth having your personal life dissected like this by tabloids and random strangers all around the world. Imo!

        @Jegede do you know if anyone grabbed screenshots of the comments about Zara before they were deleted? I’m so curious now!

  15. Stephanie says:

    I remember when this happened, and to be honest, it was one of the few times I thought that the Sussex photos were in poor taste to release at the same time. Being such an advocate for women, I think it would have been great for them to repost or show support for Camilla’s speech. It was an issue that deserved to be highlighted and the Sussex reach could have been used to help support it. Obviously too many bridges burned by that point. Another example of joint good work that could have been done if others weren’t so salty.

    • Jan says:

      Next you will be saying that people can’t walk and think at the same time.

    • Sofia says:

      Why is the onus always on the Sussexes? Why should H&M be the ones to reach out? Why couldn’t Camilla reach out if it was a good idea? It’s not like she didn’t know Meghan champions women’s empowerment.

    • Amy Bee says:

      @Stephanie: So people can only pay attention to one event at a time. Crazy.

    • Linda says:

      Sooo it’s never a problem with other family members post pictures on the same day or have events on the same day. BUT it’s a problem for Meghan 🙄
      Do you not see how ridiculous this is? Everything little thing Meghan and Harry do overshadows the rest of that family. That’s not Harry and Meghans problem.

      • MsIam says:

        @Simone, if what you say is true then why are the Cambridges “allowed” to overshadow Charles and Camilla all the time? And before Meghan came along Kate, William and Harry always overshadowed Charles and Camilla in the press. It wasn’t an issue, at least not publicly until the charismatic black woman came into the picture. Then it became all about “pecking order”. I’m so sick of people defending this trash family with made up rules that only apply to Meghan and by extension Harry.

      • equality says:

        @MsIam Not to mention that Sunshine Sachs was ONLY working on Travalyst and put out a statement saying so. How is anything the anonymous palace sources say considered credible “public record” anyway.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Msiam, obviously I totally agree with you about there being an entirely new and ever-changing list of rules when it came to Meghan, and it was so gross to see. But my guess (and this is just a guess) is that Charles didn’t object to the Cambridges getting more coverage than he and Camilla did because William is the heir…I’m sure that deep down, he was a bit jealous at times and it probably irritated him if he made an important speech or something, and all of the headlines the next day were about a dress Kate wore or whatever.

        But Charles knew that’s just how it works, and that public’s interest has always been in the younger, more “glamorous” family members. He appeared to be happy enough with how well his Camilla rehab seemingly went, and was much more mellow than he’d been back in the day when he used to get so jealous of Diana. He understood William needed to be popular since he’s the heir, and at the end of the day, the survival of the monarchy is all these vile people truly care about.

        I do think Charles might have reached his limit a few times and decided the Cambridges needed to be put in their place, and that was when we saw some of the bad press they’d gotten pre-Meghan, stories about Kate being lazy and William “throne idle.” But as soon as Meghan came along, Charles and the Cambridges were united in their hatred and blinding jealousy of her, so they began working together— or maybe not “together,” but both working to attain the same goal — on the smear campaign, and all of a sudden, the “lazy Cambridge” stories stopped immediately and all negative coverage was about Meghan from then on. “Kate is the most perfect, regal, elegant English Rose who never puts a foot wrong and will save the monarchy and also reunite the brothers” was the new narrative, and even though that too probably bothered Charles to some extent since it glossed right over him and Camilla, he seemed content as long as he had Harry and Meghan to throw under the bus, especially as the Andrew situation worsened.

        So when Harry and Meghan peaced out, something no one in the family ever thought would actually happen, both Charles and the Cambridges freaked the fck OUT because their scapegoat was gone; trashing the Sussexes to cover up their own bad behavior and scandals had been their long-term plan. Ever since, their PR has been all over the place, so cartoonishly incompetent that it’s almost funny.

        It seems like there’s more sniping amongst the three of them now, and in any case, since the Sussexes left, the palaces’ comms offices have been a hot MESS— even worse than usual since they were shellshocked about Sussexit and scrambling. First we were bombarded with the Saviour Kate articles, the Pandemic Express tour was a colossal failure, the attempt to make literally anyone care about Sophie or Edward quickly tanked (“Magnificent Seven” my ass, lol), their reaction both before and after the Oprah interview — complete with the fake “Meghan is a bully” claim that they’re now trying to make everyone forget about by postponing their “investigation” 🙄— was so awful that it only served to damage them more right when the eyes of the world were on them. Poor Jason got the boot, the funeral coverage was a total sh!tshow, William forbade Kate from attending the statue unveiling, we learned that both the Queen and Charles felt that Kate had embarrassed the monarchy on the world stage with the Jill Biden fiasco, then we got some more obviously-from-the-Middleton-camp articles, with CarolE so desperate that she apparently decided that even Uncle freaking Gary should speak out…just an utter mess. And that’s without even mentioning Andrew! I could go on and on, but this comment is already too long.

        This is just my speculation, though— based on the timing of everything, it seems to make sense to me. But these people have zero loyalty to their own spouses and children, are beholden to the likes of Dan Wooten, and will do whatever it takes to make themselves look better regardless of who it harms, so who even knows. I am so glad that Harry and Meghan GTFO and they did it at exactly the right time imo.

    • Amy Bee says:

      @Simone: If what you’re saying is true, you have to ask yourself why the Palace refused to give Meghan permission to do the things she did? And why did they set out to undermine her from the start?

    • MsIam says:

      And when Meghan did the things she supposedly had “permission” to do and did them well, like the Oceana tour, they were mad about that too. So f*ck them and any other gaslighter who thinks that somehow Meghan is responsible for this. Camilla and all the rest of them are reaping what they sowed. She can be mad while she eats Meghan’s dust.

    • Pao says:

      @simone: i call bullshit on this and even if its true then she most likely did it secretly because courtiers made it impossible for her to work.

      Im sorry but do you actually believe that? They took her keys, driver’s license, and passport but she was able to go to the hubb kitchen, vogue head quarters etc to discuss these projects all without courtiers knowing it? Not to mention that some of her staff had to be involved for the projects to he even established and for the cookbook the royal foundation was even involved. Again, i call bullshit on that.

    • ABritGuest says:

      This is silly as royals do things on the same day all the time. Nobody said zip when Charles had a big climate change speech same day that Kate launched her big survey. people do have the ability to focus on a speech and a few photos on the same day. And if it was so important to the palace that Camilla be the focus they should have told their press buddies to focus on Camilla’s speech/ have it on their front pages. The royal rota always say how much they love Camilla, how friendly she is& a good gossip so sure they could have called in a favour& accommodated her.

      I still find it hard to believe Camilla/palace officials were really that pressed about an Instagram post. If they were then they are more pathetic than I imagined.

      • Pao says:

        @simone Meghan expected to be treated equal not better. Which isn’t a wrong thing for her to expect. This whole idea is that there is an “order” of royals doing things based on hierarchy is utter nonsense as royals have posted and made announcements on the same day before. This whole “overshadowing” thing was never an issue until it was meghan who overshadowed everybody else simply because she’s more interesting. Thats not her fault. Meghan isn’t fame or attention hungry like u seem to be implying here. The rest just needs to get over themselves

      • Lila says:

        @ABRITGUEST I totally get what you’re saying and I would agree with you if we were talking about any other royal.

        Courtiers have admitted they hated Meghan and were incredibly childish when it came to her (they joked about Harry being her hostage, called her damaged goods, said she wanted to play the victm) and one of Charles’ men was caught liking Piers Morgan’s tweets disparaging Meghan. For that reason, I can believe they were actually mad.

    • ABritGuest says:

      Simone only time I’m aware of Harry making announcement when he shouldn’t have& overshadowing another royal was when Charles was on tour & Harry released the statement about press harassing his then girlfriend Meghan. Hardly a history or pattern of such behaviour.

      the palace literally had Harry postpone an engagement in Amsterdam clearly because it could get more attention than an event Charles & William were doing the same time so if Meghan was just ploughing ahead doing what she wanted with the cookbook, SmartSet etc they would have cancelled these projects too & they would have leaked that she was doing unauthorised work same way they leaked everything else.

      From Oprah they clearly did have to respect hierarchy even with respect to getting mental health support. Plus from Meghan’s court case against the Fail, KP comms instituted a directive of no comment on stories. If she was just doing what she wanted with a focus on building her brand surely she would have tackled the character assassination & got her side out on stories like making Kate cry from the start rather than after she had left.

      Also Meghan specifically thanked KP staff at the Together launch for helping bring the vision together so yes they did know about it. Reports of her using Sunshine Sachs only emerged in 2019 after Vogue launch.

      Lacey used scenes from Suits to write about Meghan’s approach to the Sandringham summit, Omid& Carolyn’s book was found to be inaccurate on certain stories in court & both of these books have conflicting stories on whether Harry talked to his family after Philip’s funeral so hardly reliable sources.

    • Amy Bee says:

      @Simone: I believe Meghan brought in people from Sunshine Sachs because the staff at KP refused to work with her not that she wasn’t given permission. The cookbook was promoted by KP and BP. By the time of the Vogue magazine and the clothing line, she was already abandoned by the family. I do believe that CH refused to fund Meghan from beginning and even before Meghan Harry was having difficulty getting funding from Charles. Harry was already going outside of the Royal Family for funding for his projects. There was no problem when he doing joint projects with the Cambridges but his own projects it was a struggle. Them wanting to be financially independent is a testament to what was happening at the time. I think Meghan and Harry respected the hierarchy and knew their place the problem was that the Royal Family’s jealousy caused them to undermine and restrict Harry and Meghan in every way. This talk about that they didn’t respect the hierarchy and wanted to be bigger than the other royals are Palace/press/royalist talking points.

    • SunRae says:

      @Stephanie It’s funny that even as ‘passing’ as Meghan is, she still cannot escape the magical n*gro trope. Knowing what we know about how these people almost drove her to suicide, we’re still positing whether she owed them consideration.

      She was always made to feel she wasn’t one of them but should’ve insisted nonetheless, abandoned all dignity to run Insta posts past people who didn’t care if she died. Before this event there were reports that NO ONE in the royal family supported them. But saint Meghan was supposed to be above all that in order to give a woman who it now seems loathed her from the beginning, the spotlight. You yourself aren’t capable of this kind of benevolence.

      Also, the protocol that royals must coordinate posts doesn’t exist. Debating whether she missed a mark that was invented specifically for her by hateful, jealous people is weird.

    • Calibration says:

      Any post that starts with, ‘I’m a Meghan and Harry fan but’ is always bs. Nice try though.

    • Sofia says:

      I know I’ve already responded but this whole comment thread smells of the “Meghan didn’t know her place” talking point spouted by certain people but with the OP trying to make it more “palatable” for Sussex fans.

      • Stephanie says:

        Wow, all I said was that I thought this was the one time it would have been great if the focus had remained on the issue of domestic violence and if the teams could have coordinated so that the real message was out in the media forefront since the media will always focus on the Sussexes over any other story. As someone else mentioned, this is an area both woman could have rocked at championing together. Obviously due to all of the crap going on it was never going to be the case. I love the Megan and all she stands for and agree 100% that she has been gaslit and f***ed with. Way to take an honest opinion and spin it as someone being unsupportive.

      • Sofia says:

        @Stephanie: It seems I am mistaken and I should have put “@Simone” instead of putting the point of the hierarchy on you. I’m big enough to admit where and when I’m wrong so I do apologise for blaming you for a point you didn’t make but my second paragraph is towards you and it stands.

        As I said above, why is it always on the Sussexes to reach out? Why aren’t you saying that Camilla should have reached out? You’re trying to put this on Meghan when you can and should be directing your point to Camilla.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        @Sofia..I’m smelling the same thing. Sunshine Sachs, “hierarchy”, “fame hungry” are things said amongst a different faction than Sussex fans.

        The Queen is the hierarchy. When Harry left the army to go back to royal life, he was very clear he was doing it as his duty to her. He was needed back due to all the Derelict Duo’s lazy ass stories. If someone wants to pound on ‘hierarchy’ they need to remember that Harry was born a royal. He is in line to the succession. Kate would not have had hierarchy over Harry as a married in. No matter what she, CarolE or anyone else thinks/thought.

        It’s not about hierarchy. Racism and jealousy is what it’s all been about.

    • Snuffles says:


      So, Meghan was supposed to hold back giving MUCH NEEDED HELP to some UK CITIZENS because it ruffled some egotistical feathers? Do you hear yourself?

      If the royal family truly was about service, they would have backed and supported every project Meghan did because they were roaring successes and continue to make a difference to this day.

    • rawiya says:

      If Meghan had to wait for the Palace’s “permission”, nothing would have ever been done! And if it had, it would have been leaked before the ink dried on any contracts.

    • nina says:

      @Simone> And there it is. As you so clearly state PWT was the one who ran to the Press and his mouthpieces to complain.
      Trying to defend the indefensible and twisting yourself into a pretzel, in doing so.
      Might want to see a chiropractor for that crick in your back and neck

    • A says:

      I could get behind this point if not for the complete chaos of the royal system itself. When Harry and Meghan were there it had 10 working royals including them, and three households. When they left Kensington palace and went to Buckingham palace based on the current royal system they became the second most important people behind only the queen herself because Buckingham palace is a separate household. So the idea that Baldingham, Chuck, and their wives could reasonably expect the Sussex’s to corroborate schedules is not only unfair it literally undermines the system itself. If Balding wanted his brother gone he should have accepted the consequences that came with it (i.e. no control of his schedule) and likewise with the chuck and the gang.

    • ABritGuest says:

      @Simone so proof of Harry not respecting hierachy is what William/his friend/staff allegedly told Lacey for his updated book after the Oprah interview where sources called Harry damaged goods and Meghan a bitch& sociopath? Seem like reliable, unbiased sources.

      We’ve seen Harry walk behind William& Kate for years, defer to his brother in interviews, refer to the queen as his commander in chief etc. I don’t recall reports of him not respecting hierarchy before Meghan. And fact is when they say didn’t respect hierachy they mean Harry & Meghan were getting more attention than the heirs were comfortable with especially given Harry‘s position as 6th in line.

      And back to Meghan doing projects she wanted I do believe some in the palace were uncomfortable with things like Vogue or Together cookbook but more because of their success & others fears of comparisons rather than because the palace didn’t know about them. The palace definitely would have leaked about being ‘blindsided’ about these projects if that was the case.

      And we know how much stories like ghosting her father or making Kate cry bothered Meghan so if she was just going around doing what she wanted on projects doesn’t explain why she didn’t just challenge those stories from 2018 when she clearly wanted to. Doesn’t add up.

    • L4frimaire says:

      @Stephsnie, I think you’re dead wrong on this.

      • Stephanie says:

        @sophia- thank you and I do think that since it was Camillas event then she should also be reaching out to Megan and her team as something they can approach together. Again obviously history and circumstances of BS didn’t lead to that. It shouldn’t always be one sided which it’s become. I think I’m just too naive to think that for everyone involved the projects themselves and their impact should be first and foremost before all of the competitive BS. Megan always makes her projects about the project not her. For DV, it seemed like Camilla made that a focus of her work and it’s shame when everything is overshadowed regardless of who’s doing the overshadowing or not giving it the airtime it deserves. That was the point I was trying to get across.

    • Tessa says:

      I hope Kate is not ‘flattered’ by Camilla and has her eyes wide open. Camilla looked like she was “friends” with Lady Diana. Kate also has her own family and does not need to rely on Camilla who only married Charles after William and Harry were grown up. I am wondering why Camilla is apparently tolerating the spin of Kate as the “next Queen.”

    • Lorelei says:

      @Snuffles I think you’re actually giving the BRF too much credit! Obviously your comment sounds preposterous on its face, but I think it’s 100% true. This family is not all about service, and I absolutely believe they would have forbidden Meghan’s projects even though they were fabulous projects that helped tons of citizens in need. All they saw was that Meghan was getting more attention and growing more and more popular, and in their minds, she needed to be stopped and “put in her place.”

      I think they are that petty, that their egos come first, and their “charity work” is only a halfhearted attempt to justify their continued existence. Sure, maybe Charles truly does care about the environment (everyone should at this point), but the rest of them? Imo it’s all PR and if they could get away with doing nothing, they would.

      Meghan, on the other hand, wanted to work MORE even though she was specifically told to tone it down and do less, because imo she genuinely saw her position as a platform to help others and she had great, creative ideas as to how to go about it.

      If Kate was given explicit permission from the palace to not work, like Meghan was, she would never go behind the courtiers’ backs to get things done anyway because she was so passionate about them. She’d be super relieved she no longer had to pretend to care about the early years or capturing the suffering of the British during the pandemic via photos, and she’d jet off to Mustique for half the year.

      If what Simone is saying is true, I actually admire Meghan for not allowing bureaucratic bullsh!t to stop her. Harry didn’t need to develop Invictus or Sentebale; all the family wanted from him was to basically tag along after the Cambridges and take bullets for them and their shenanigans in the press. IMO he formed those organizations because he actually cared about the issues and wanted to use his platform to help others. Which is a large part of why I think Harry and Meghan are so perfect for each other. They’re not doing the work they do for a photo op, they’re doing it because they truly want to. imo.

  16. Merricat says:

    It’s the narrative they’ve built, that they ALL hated Meghan for being American, being Black, being fantastic. Blame one, blame all. And I do, I find every single one of them culpable.

    • Liz version 700 says:

      This 100%. All of them are terrible!

    • Over it says:

      Well they also hate her because she is smart, black and beautiful. And yeah wrinkle free

      • Liz version 700 says:

        Absolutely! Meghan is stunningly beautiful. As my mom would say Camilla is at best a handsome woman. She sure didn’t mind being a catty witch to Diana so Meghan was fair game especially since she wasn’t fluorescent white.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Liz imo your mom is actually being way too charitable with the “handsome woman” comment!

  17. Emily says:

    Meghan or no Meghan, nobody was ever going to care about a Camilla speech.

    • L4frimaire says:

      This right here. When has anything Camilla done outside of creeping with Charles garnered more then a blurb and a tweet by Royal reporters?

    • Lorelei says:

      @Emily I just went back and skimmed the comments from the original post on this, and it seems that what happened is 100% the opposite of what the palace is claiming; most of the commenters said that the only reason they even knew about Camilla’s speech was because of the whole “Meghan overshadowed her!” nonsense. Meghan’s actions ended up giving Camilla’s speech WAY more coverage than it otherwise would have received.

      • L4frimaire says:

        Precisely. No one was paying any attention to this event, and the first time I heard about it was the headline screaming Meghan “ overshadowed ” the speech with her Instagram pic. This narrative is utter nonsense and it’s only written so they can say that Camilla hates Meghan.

  18. swirlmamad says:

    Shit-stirring, thy name is Cambridge.

    Really seems like someone is trying to throw the scent off their tracks. I can’t actually believe Camilla and Charles are this dumb to drag Cams into the mix NOW.

    • Amy Bee says:

      If you read Kaiser’s previous post on this, you’ll see that Camilla was very much part of the mix. She made her jab in at the end of Meghan and Harry’s stint as working royal.

      • swirlmamad says:

        Oh, I have no doubt that Camilla had it out for Meghan just like the rest of them. And we know if she’s loyal to anyone it’s Charles. But it just seems bizarre that she would show her hand NOW after flying under the radar all this time. Just seems like someone else is outing her to deflect from a bigger story. But honestly, who knows with these people — they’re all snakes.

      • Nic919 says:

        I’m sure Camilla disliked Meghan once Charles said it was okay for her to do so. It is just out of character for her to out her jealousy in the media like this and she’s never done it before. She must know that a segment will never forgive her for breaking up the marriage with Diana and as such she’s been low key and done things like promote her gardens. If she was going to leak negative stories she would be far more vague about it. And she probably has done that but this is too ham handed and specific and follows the obvious Cambridge method.

    • Tessa says:

      C and C are not exactly the most popular with some and maybe those that don’t like them would side with Meghan and Harry.

    • isabella says:

      This quote sounds so much like William, his usual snark:

      “Of course it was known Harry and Meghan would be doing engagements this week, some privately, but everyone was in agreement that Camilla’s speech should take precedence. ­Unfortunately some people had other ideas.”

      The comment about staff being “sacked” when H and M changed continents also sounds like William, always whinging about staff. And it’s so ridiculous. When you change continents, you naturally change staff. That’s not a sacking.

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      ITA@swirlmamad. If ‘everyone was in agreement that Camilla’s speech should take precedence’, why did the Cambridges post photos to their IG that same morning and featured in the media outlets the same day? Or why did Harry’s Silverstone Experience get so much BM coverage if there was some kind of “pledge” or “agreement”? The RR’s would have known this if it was the truth. There was no pledge or agreement. And who are the staffers pleaing to Meghan? It was widely covered they were layed off in February. Were they still lurking around the palace grounds after being let go? It was a BS story the first time around and still is. It’s just another opportunity to regurgitate negative words/stories about Meghan again. Who exactly did Meghan make demands to? No one.

      Russell Myers is also the guy that went with William on the trip to Israel/Palestine and wrote glowingly about him.

  19. MsIam says:

    I wonder what they mean by using her “platform and personal experiences” to highlight the issues? At any rate, if the tabloids felt a few pictures of Meghan on Instagram were more important than domestic violence, then that is on them. And didn’t Camilla have years before that to champion herself as this big advocate for domestic violence against women? I mean she’s in her 70s! Is she just now “finding her voice” too? What is she doing or saying about it now? These people are the in-laws from hell, if this is how they truly feel.

    • WithTheAmerican says:

      Yeah that caught my eye too. So Charles is abusive? Hahahaha thanks, Cam.

    • nina says:

      Every time shit like this gets published you realize how toxic and soul destroying that family is.
      Good on Harry and Meghan for getting out. You also realize that Harry was never going to marry the kind of woman that would have made the RF happy.
      He was done with them for a very long time. Marrying Meghan just gave him the strength to finally taking that leap

    • Tessa says:

      She wrote to him in a letter to “ignore that ridiculous creature,” the letter came into the public domain. At the very least these two have no tact and don’t think that some would recall her situation with Diana.

  20. The Hench says:

    Mmm. So many questions. Why was that post released on the same day? It wasn’t time sensitive. It would have made no difference if it had gone out the next day and, from what we know about Meghan and her considerate nature, even to a**eholes, it feels against the grain.

    Was Meghan so exasperated by this point that it was just a big FU? Was it a genuine accident? Was it actually done by a staffer to further undermine Meghan, knowing that it would anger Camilla? Was it done by a staffer in support of Meghan and to undermine Camilla?

    I’m inclining towards the last two – possibly even the malicious staffer seeking to make trouble. The article refers to the Palace “pleading with staffers” not pleading with Meghan so this probably had nothing to do with her but, as per, she got the blame.

    • swirlmamad says:

      “Was it actually done by a staffer to further undermine Meghan, knowing that it would anger Camilla?”

      Of all your theories, I’m gonna go with this one.

    • MsIam says:

      Didn’t the guy who was in charge of the Sussexes Instagram go to work for the Cambridges shortly after? So it wouldn’t surprise me if it was him who posted those pictures at the request of “someone” to cause trouble. But again, the media chooses what to report on. Based on this being such an important subject shouldn’t they have highlighted that and put Meghans pictures on the back page?

      • The Hench says:

        Good point – yes, someone did transfer to the Cambridges. But any new pictures of Meghan would overshadow Camilla – the only way to avoid that would have been to not post them – and since they didn’t NEED to be posted that same day I’m leaning increasingly towards deliberate sabotage by a staffer.

    • WithTheAmerican says:

      This seems like a stretch, Meghan isn’t a helpless infant, she would have taken down anything she didn’t agree with.

      She posted the pictures because she wanted to, and frankly it’s her Instagram- the palace asking her not to post anything on social media for a whole day so Cam can get good press while they drag M through horrifically abusive press is ridiculous.

      • Jais says:

        Did someone upthread mention that the exhibition Meghan instagrammed about was about to end? Maybe it was time sensitive? Also maybe it wasn’t and she just posted what she wanted on her insta as they were done as working royals and could post what they wanted when they wanted.

      • MsIam says:

        It was not “her Instagram” @With otherwise they wouldn’t have been told they couldn’t use it once they left. And funny that you think Meghan is out here on her phone posting pictures, lol. They had a staff person who did that, and that staff person went to work for the Cambridges immediately after the Sussexes left.

      • WithTheAmerican says:

        @MsIam, yeah, no one thinks she actually posted the photos, but my point stands. She could have asked to have them deleted or delayed if she wanted to.

        She didn’t.

        And as I wrote, why should she have to? You seem to be picking apart words to prove it wasn’t her Instagram. I really don’t care, but it seems a ridiculous point because no matter what if she wanted it deleted, or whoever was in charge wanted it deleted, it would have been.

      • WithTheAmerican says:

        @Jais, that’s a great point.

    • goofpuff says:

      I mean a normal human being wouldn’t think that posting something the same day would be a problem – she’s not a narcissist. It’s not Meghan’s fault that the British Press are more interested in her than Camilla. Blame the press not the victim. Its silly to expect people to curtail their life around somebody’s insecurities. Especially someone who treats them awfully.

    • Lorelei says:

      @TheHench: it just shows how insane this family is that *every single one* of the scenarios you suggested are totally plausible! It could really be any one of them.

      @Msiam I’ve also always found it so strange that the Sussexes’ IT/social media/whatever guy moved on to work with the Cambridges after Harry and Meghan left. Something about it just felt “off” — hadn’t Meghan been the one to recruit him? I remember the first photos we ever saw of him were of he and Meghan exiting a restaurant together.

      Considering everything that’s gone down over the past few years, I have a hard time wrapping my brain around someone wanting to work with both the Sussexes AND the Cambridges. He got a close-up view of how viciously Meghan was abused, and it was common knowledge that William and Kate were at the root of a lot of it.

      Clearly the guy was talented and could have easily found a new job with the work he did for the Sussexes on his resume, and likely a reference from them — so why on earth go to the Cambridges? Especially since the salaries paid by the BRF are notoriously low?

      I guess it’s possible that he secretly grew to loathe Harry and Meghan when he worked for them, but that’s a bit hard to believe considering most of the other people who’ve worked with them have nothing but good things to say (I’m not counting the palace employees coached by Jason Knauf to trash them, but *real* colleagues). And even in that case, why stick around when you could go somewhere else that pays much more?
      Idk, but I’ve also always wondered about how it came about.

      • windyriver says:

        I think the lunch photo you’re thinking of was Meghan with Christian Jones, which is another whole story; IIRC he started as a joint comms person, became William’s private secretary, and was moved on some time back (to a suspiciously cushy outside position, in finance?), as did Simon Case before him, and now Jason Knauf. Pretty sure someone else was working more directly on the Sussex Royal social media/Instagram stuff, and that’s who went over to the Cambridges.

      • Lorelei says:

        @WindyRiver, thank you for the correction, those photos were exactly what I was thinking of, but somehow I got those two dudes confused! At least it makes slightly more sense now.

      • Lorelei says:

        @WindyRiver, I just read Lainey’s analysis of this whole thing, posted below by @AGreatReckoning, and now I’m insanely curious as to why on earth People was made to change their headline on that story and remove any mention of the employee’s name. WTF?

  21. Jan says:

    I think Jabba had a story about Charles inviting Meghan over to view his art collection, but he didn’t tell Meghan it was going to be televised, when she found out the same day, she cancelled the visit.
    Jabba said Charles was livid, no one cancels appointments with him the same day, reminds me of when Meghan asked the Queen, “what is your preference” on which side to get in the car.

  22. damejudi says:

    Who cares if Meghan picked a specific photographer for her theatre event?

    It’s not like it was a family funeral.

  23. Sofia says:

    Highlighting domestic abuse is needed and I’ll give Camilla credit where credit is due for picking a topic that is very serious and not typically “royal” work. But unless you’re a royalist or one of the people Camilla is highlighting in her speech, no-one is really going to pay attention to her. That’s just how it is, Meghan or not.

    • Tessa says:

      I thought it was totally inappropriate for Camilla to highlight domestic abuse. Even that one sentence that came in the public domain “ignore that ridiculous creature” written to Diana’s husband, should have disqualified her. She should stay with promoting stray dog adoption and gardens not be a spokesperson for helping women who experiences domestic abuse.

      • WithTheAmerican says:

        Seriously. Cam is at the very least the cheerleader of abuse. The benefactor. The inspiration even.

  24. Lili says:

    Oh Camila you’ve been set up! Don’t You find it strange that at the same time there are reportS of the Windsor’s not being well received in the states stories are coming out to further add to this. Umm I wonder who that could be . I smell William behind this

    • damejudi says:

      I do, too.

      Particularly strange is focus on the photos and photographers, especially after it’s been widely noted how orchestrated (and inappropriate) the photos of Prince Philip’s Chief Mourner, Duchess Keenbridge were.

      Smells like a double hit for the Cambridges-put Camilla in the line of fire while still taking shots at Meghan.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        It is very strange. I could see Camilla getting ‘very upset’ if she were drinking a cocktail called Thunder and Meghan ran off with it. That sounds more on par with Camilla.

  25. ABritGuest says:

    I’d like to think this is press manufactured as the other royals aren’t visible currently whilst they are away on holiday and/or at Balmoral shielding Andrew and royal reporters need to fill column inches etc. So funny how in recent years we got so many stories about what was happening at Balmoral but conspicuously quiet this year.

    Bradby said that apart from Liz& Philip other royals could be unfriendly and jealous so fear of being overshadowed was clearly a firm wide issue. I just find it hard to believe that Camilla would be so upset about an Instagram post or that BP told David (who ran SussexRoyal) not to post the photos. Plus why would BP not CH be instructing Meghan about Camilla’s speech ? I Don’t believe Myers.

    I remember the press accusing Meghan of trying to upstage Camilla’s speech last year but THEY are the ones who chose to focus on an Instagram post for event they weren’t even invited to & treat Camilla’s speech as an after thought. I just think the press like to blame Meghan for their own obsession with her & easier to blame her ‘attention seeking’ than admit they find the other royals boring.

    • Pao says:

      All of this. Also (and i know im sounding annoying at this point) the rule that royals can’t post things on the same day or make announcements on the same day doesn’t exist. It all of a sudden became a “rule” (manufactured) simply to bash meghan with.

      • EveV says:

        @Pao Not annoying at all. I appreciate you repeating that it’s a freaking made up rule!! These people are absolutely ridiculous and I can’t believe anyone thinks this article rehashing this stupid shit from a year ago was a good idea

    • Eurydice says:

      Of course, they focused on Meghan – she’s beautiful and glamourous and this was her farewell tour. Any tabloid editor would choose her image over Camilla, whose cause is of no interest to the tabloids and whose scandal value has reached zero now that she’s married to Charles and in her 70’s. And of course, Meghan would focus on her own visit to one of her patronages – she was showing “I’m still here and still alive and I still care about service.” After the split why would Meghan give a rat’s ass about Camilla? It’s not like she’s one of Harry’s favorite relatives that she has to placate.

      What is a total lie is the part that Meghan demanded that her photos supersede Camilla’s. She didn’t need to demand anything; whatever she did would be first choice for the tabloids – and she’d never talk to them anyway.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        But at that time, H & M were sharing diddly squat with the BM-so Meghan wasn’t (and hasn’t) demanding anything from anyone. Yes….it’s a total tie.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        Meant…Yes…..it’s a total lie. Not tie.

      • Lorelei says:

        @Eurydice, can I co-sign this entire comment? I agree with everything you said!

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      @ABritGuest, True. The same morning (March 6) of Meghan’s IG photos, guess who else posted photos to Instagram!? and was only accused of/heralded for a ‘romantic moment’.


      @Pao, yes, it seems the new-made-up-as-they-go “rules” only apply to Meghan.

  26. Eurydice says:

    Hmm, if this is coming from Camilla, then she’s late to the party. The fashion now is to talk about how the RF is reconciling with H&M behind the scenes. She should be talking about how she loves FaceTiming with her step-grandkids while she and Meghan drink tea and do needlepoint.

    • Tessa says:

      I doubt Harry lets Camilla “facetime” with his and Meghan’s children.

      • Eurydice says:

        Sure, but the fashion in stupid stories about the BRF and H&M have been trending towards reconciliation, like the stupid story about W&K facetiming H&M while cooking dinner and making tea. In real life, I doubt they think about Camilla at all.

  27. KW says:

    Camilla who?

  28. Ann says:

    Camilla will always be the other woman/mistress. It’s a stain that can never be removed, but extramarital affair partners always think they’re a special exception to that rule. They’re not.

  29. Janethetrain says:

    This is her placating to Charles.

    • WithTheAmerican says:

      Now THIS rings so true. She does anything to coddle the man baby.

      • Liz version 700 says:

        Yep! I feel bad that Harry still hopes to reconcile with his nasty father. Harry has grown more since leaving, at this point it would be like trying to reconcile with Will…who do you think taught Will how to be incandescent. Let these folks go if you can Harry. You are a man, your father is a preschool tantrum raising child. Your brother is barely past the terrible 2’s

  30. Amy Bee says:

    I think the reason why all these Camilla stories are being rehashed is to prime the public for when Harry’s book comes out. The press thinks he’s going to talk about their relationship. I think Harry’s going to barely mention her.

    • Lorelei says:

      @AmyBee, they never learn, do they? They did the same thing, freaked the hell out about what could possibly, maybe be said about them in advance of both FF and Oprah, and both times, only ended up giving themselves away.

      All their panic does is provide us with proof that they did in fact treat Meghan badly, and now they’re afraid of it coming out. They keep reinforcing it over and over again with their overblown reactions, while the Sussexes take the high road.

  31. lanne says:

    I don’t know. I think this is all manufactured BS. I think Camilla’s smart enough to know where she stands, and like an astute 2nd wife, the wise choice is to stay out of family drama as much as possible. Second wife is a lose-lose position–she’s an easy target for anyone with an axe to grind. I think this is KP using her as a proxy. They are trying to drum up hatred against Meghan by any means possible–if 1 tactic doesn’t work, let’s try something else. I expect to see “we hate Meghan” and “Meghan did me wrong” from every minor royal and royal aide. Maybe, the courtiers and the ratchets are desperately hoping, SOMETHING will stick, from the sheer volume of attacks. Perhaps the British public will think, if every cousin, Corgi, and aide was stung by Meghan in some way, then Meghan must be a bad person. Face it, Camilla’s an easy target, and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Charles is the one directing these attacks. It’s something else he can “protect” her from no matter which way the wind blows. If the attacks resonate, then he’s “supporting” his wife, and if they don’t, and people say mean things about Camilla, then he can “protect” her from the meanies.

    These people don’t know how to adapt and change. They do the same thing over and over again, desperately hoping for a different outcome. They feel so threatened by Meghan that they want, more than anything, for the world to hate her as much as they do.

  32. Miranda says:

    Camilla didn’t think it was fair that Meghan should be so readily accepted, when she endured years of being reviled as the horse-faced homewrecker who nearly destroyed Diana. Sure, she could’ve recalled her own experience with the vicious tabloids and members of the RF who didn’t think she was a worthy bride for a future king, and maybe tried to be a little reassuring to Meghan and stood up for her, even if only privately. But no, all female members of the RF have to be the jealous, nasty bitches from every lazy ’90s sitcom joke about LOL WOMEN BE CATTY, and went right along with the others, wanting to make Meghan just a miserable as she had probably been. In other words, generational trauma.

    Wow, she and Charles really WERE made for each other, huh?

    • Tessa says:

      I don’t think Camilla would speak up for Meghan.

      • Miranda says:

        Oh, of course she wouldn’t! But she COULD’VE done. It would’ve been the compassionate, adult thing to do. But the RF is full of grown-ass women acting in ways that would shame a high school mean girl.

      • Lorelei says:

        At least the press and public had a good reason to dislike Camilla— she put herself into that position with her own poor behavior. So for her to compare her “entry” into the family with Meghan’s is disingenuous at best.

        Meghan never did anything wrong or gave anyone a reason to dislike her like Camilla did. All she did was outshine the rest of the family by breathing, and did so as a biracial woman. Nice try though, Cammy.

  33. SH says:

    So she didn’t care about Harry having an event the same day as her speech? Only Meghan?

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      SH, you make a good point. Whether it was Camilla, some other member of the BRF or Myers creating his own dramatic story for clicks, the story supports Harry’s fears that media were never going to leave Meghan alone in the smear campaign (and they still are at it). Harry did have the Silverstone Experience the same day as Camilla’s speech. Lewis Hamilton drove him there. The Royal Family Channel uploaded a video of it the same day and the BM covered it. No mention of overshadowing Camilla.

      The night before was The Endeavour Awards. Early am, on the 6th, local news stations and major global news outlets, on air and online, were showing those glorious photos of H & M with the umbrella. And people are suppose to believe some IG photos of Meghan “overshadowed” Camilla.

      Kate & William were finishing their 3 day Ireland tour on the 5th. They were probably feeling overshadowed by The Endeavour Award photos. But, Kate needn’t worry, her B@tch face and behavior at the Commonwealth Service a few days later, overshadowed that event. Much like her performance at Philip’s funeral.

  34. Emmitt says:

    Sounds like Camilla is telling on herself. First with the “we’re concerned about what Harry is going to say about Camilla.”

    Next with the “Camilla won’t ever forgive Meghan for what she did to Charles.”

    Now with the “Camilla won’t ever forgive Meghan for overshadowing her on her special day.”

    Camilla did something to Meghan and what she did is going to trickle out.

    Also, you mean to tell us Meghan had the power to tell the Daily Mail to publish pictures of her event on the same day as Camilla’s even but didn’t have the power to stop all the endless negative stories the Daily Mail ran on her every day all day? Really? You think we’re that stupid?

    • Lorelei says:

      @Emmitt, ITA. Unfortunately for Camilla, even hard-core Sussex haters either don’t care enough about her or they actively dislike her, so no one is going to get too worked up and run with stories like this.

      If in fact this is coming from Camilla, she should realize no one cares, cut her losses, and go back to being relatively silent most of the time.

  35. Reia says:

    It’s like at work everyone wants the spotlight but when shit happens
    nobody wants it anymore. C unfortunately is too forgettable and does not emit enough charisma to carry a whole room. The blame cannot be placed on Meghan for that.

  36. Julia K says:

    Perhaps Meghan DID request the photo release be delayed a day, but papers released it anyway at yet another attempt to make her look bad.

    • Amy Bee says:

      No the photos were posted to Instagram. It’s not clear if the press knew that Meghan was going to visit the National Theatre but they were angry that the press was not invited to cover the event. I must point out that they knew Meghan was doing some embargoed events and there was a press pool for the school visit.

    • MsIam says:

      Meghan and Harry had already stated at this point that they would no longer be communicating with the tabloids plus she had already filed her lawsuit against the Mail. So she didn’t tell them sh*t. This is either on the tabloids or on the social media guy that was hired by the Cambridges from the Sussexes team. Maybe he was pissed at them for leaving after they lured him from Burberry and this was some petty revenge. Or it could be it was at the direction of his new boss at House Cambridge which I guess would have been Sir Jason the Malicious.

      • Lorelei says:

        @AGreatReckoning, thank you for posting that link! Now I’m dying of curiosity as to why People had to change the headline and remove any mention of David’s name. What the…?
        I swear to god it seems like every single thing the Cambridges do is sketchy in some way.

        And correct me if I’m wrong, but while this family never stops the whining and complaining, it’s rare that they actually pressure an outlet to make changes to a story that was already posted. I know they do it from time to time, and the most notable example was Tatler’s “Kate the Great” cover story. They’re judicious in the way that they want changes something that people have already read, so it stands to reason that they’d only do it when there was a very good reason for them to want it removed. So why this time? What are they trying to hide (or minimize) here? It’s bizarre.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        @Lorelei, it is bizarre. A few other articles did come up around the same time regarding Watkins that contained a link to his LinkedIn page. I don’t know if my not being signed up with LinkedIn was the problem, but when I clicked on the link an error message came up. Last week?, when I looked up the NHS people that were suppose to be crisis managers and who are now the Communications Secretaries for KP & CH (Victoria O’Byrne & Simon Enright), their LinkedIn pages were viewable.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        @Lorelei, it is bizarre. A few other articles did come up around the same time regarding Watkins that contained a link to his LinkedIn page. I don’t know if my not being signed up with LinkedIn was the problem, but when I clicked on the link an error message came up. Last week?, when I looked up the NHS people that were suppose to be crisis managers and who are now the Communications Secretaries for KP & CH (Victoria O’Byrne & Simon Enright), their LinkedIn pages were viewable.

        ETA: Interesting too that in that Lainey story she links to the NYT article by Caity Weaver regarding whether or not Cambridges were buying bots. Lainey did mention ‘overshadowed’ in her post and how that William was called ‘a little grand’ by Jobson. Different post about the Caity Weaver story by Lainey.

  37. Aria says:

    Camilla being an advocate for abused women is like Melania Trump being against bullying. A slap in the face.

  38. BnlurNforever says:

    I hope the Sussex Squad doesn’t fall for this obvious attempt at distraction in an effort to redirect ire from TOB and his wife for their obvious leading of the smear campaign against Meghan. Now that everyone with any sense is aware how awful they are and they are attempting to rewrite recent history, this woman abuser (of Diana) is being thrown out to wash the stench off the others. God, I despise every member of this hateful family who lives over there and that goes triple for that BM.

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      @BnlurNforever. Agree. It is an obvious attempt at distraction and it’s working. Why else would the Mirror re – release a story from a year and a half ago? Even Russell Myer’s original story (from time stamps-pretty sure he was the first of the rota’s) didn’t really show that much interest in Camilla or her speech. He faked a bit. The Mirror felt so bad for Camilla in the original article they included every picture of Meghan from the theatre.lol I don’t believe Camilla gave or gives two shits.

      Maybe deflecting from Andrew. More likely that the bullying investigation is dead in the water and Camp Cambridge is still active in their smear campaign.

  39. Lizzie says:

    Meghan didn’t force the dm to put her ig in the headlines. Sorry, not her doing.
    Keen and Camilla both felt the same way about Meghan, they both knew they compared poorly in both substance and style.

    • L4frimaire says:

      This part. It’s so obvious. What have they done since Meghan left? Kates 5 questions and home-office institute are sputtering along and we saw how she was with Jill Biden. Where are Camilla’s groundbreaking speeches on the effects of Covid isolation on domestic violence? Why isn’t the Rota giving it the attention it deserves? There is nothing stopping Camilla from doing and saying what she wants so if she’s still sore about her landmark speech being overshadowed by some Instagram pictures, where was the follow up to give it the attention it deserved?

  40. Zut Alors says:

    For folks whose motto is supposedly “don’t complain, don’t explain”, they sure do a LOT of complaining and explaining.

    • nina says:

      Say that again so that those on here defending Camilla and company and arguing that Meghan should have followed protocol, can see how ridiculous their arguments are. Isn’t “never complain, never explain” their motto and therefore part of their protocol?

    • rawiya says:

      You’re so right!

  41. AVEA says:

    Camilla has thunder to be stolen? Huh

  42. EllenOlenska says:

    Much like Katie Keen we are also hearing about “ tireless behind the scenes efforts”. And maybe Camilla has been putting in enormous efforts. But the Queen and Anne were knocked off the news by Diana and Fergie and so it will be, on and on…

    There are good and bad things about the 24 hour, minimal-vetting news cycle that impacts everyone, politicians, movie stars and regular people. The royal family should have hired competent pr managers to handle the flow and scheduling. And sometimes, despite your best efforts, something else grabs center stage. I used to work for a very large corporation that was in the news for both good things and bad things. Some days you hope something bigger takes your stuff off the front page. Some days you wish it didn’t. Maybe Megan shouldn’t have released her instagram photos when she did. But the media picked what it wanted to highlight. The same way they are shredding Megan now (Who has barely appeared in public in the past 6 months) and NOT asking “where are Kate and William”.

  43. L4Frimaire says:

    It’s August 2021. This took place in March 2020. Obviously someone is still bothered about it,lol. She was never, ever, going to get that kind of attention. She can never give another speech again, I guess, the poor little thing. They can stay dragging that woman and her bad, home wrecking ways. It wasn’t enough to go after Diana’s marriage, she had to go after Harry’s and Meghan’s as well.

  44. JT says:

    The Royals are just incompetent. Period. There are three households competing and briefing against each other on the daily. If they actually cared about coordinating schedules so people wouldn’t get jealous and everyone’s work could be highlighted accordingly, they would do that. But that is not how they operate and it’s another reason why their PR is constantly in shambles. In what world would Meghan decide to defer to the palace to hold off on her event by that point? She and Harry already left. They didn’t need to play by the one sided rules anymore and the family wasn’t either, hence the stupid commonwealth procession shenanigans.

    Also nobody gives a damn about Camilla. They never have, so all of the people think that it’s Meg’s fault for stepping on Camilla’s speech should remember that Tampon’s wife has been getting overshadowed by a dead woman for 25 years. The only one who couldn’t overshadow Camila is probably Sofiesta. Blame the Windsor’s besties, the BM, for people forgetting about old Cams.

    • Oshin says:

      I am not British so I do understand why taxpayers have to support 3 households. Anywhere else only head of state and spouse.

  45. Athena says:

    I remember reading an article why back at the beginning of the smear campaign against Meghan that Camilla was aware of all that was going on there was going on behind the scene and she was staying out of it. It was one of those strange out of the blue articles that didn’t get any traction. Camilla’s son is also on record in support of Meghan, so it makes no sense that Camilla would bring attention to herself in this drama.
    I know the main suspect for the baby’s skin color comment is William but I’ve always suspected Camilla, so I wonder if the recent articles about the Sussexes wanting to name the culprit has got her spooked so she’s trying to discredit Meghan in some way, it’s like the bullying story all over again.
    Russell Meyers is the one who “broke” the Meghan stole Camilla thunder story in the first place. That story gave him some relevance as a RR, so not surprise that he brings it up. He’s a mediocre writer with no royal access, just a courtier feeding him stories.

    • swirlmamad says:

      What did Camilla’s son say in support of Meghan? That is very curious indeed. I don’t doubt that Camilla also was on board with the “is the baby going to be dark?” comments but I still don’t see why she would out herself like this. Then again, nothing these people do makes a lick of sense.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        December 2018 he was on GMB.

        ‘carry on what she’s doing’, says Camilla’s son Tom Parker …https://www.thesun.co.uk › news › meghan-markle-is-wo…
        8:43, 18 Dec 2018; Updated: 9:17, 18 Dec 2018. MEGHAN Markle is “wonderful” and should “carry on what she’s doing”, Camilla Parker Bowles’ son has gushed.

    • Jegede says:

      I have NEVER heard of Tory-supporting ‘man about town’ Tom P-Bowles, saying anything in support of Meghan.🤨🤨
      If anything Tom P-B is as establishment entrenched as they come with the Tories, and would likely see Meghan as a ‘woke Yank’

      His sister Laura Lopes is the one who is incredibly low key and stays out of it.

      • Emma says:

        In 2018, Tom said he thought Meghan was “wonderful,” and more recently he said, “I stay out of it, that’s nothing to do with me,” when asked about the drama and Sussexit.

    • L4frimaire says:

      Why would Camilla the that interested in what Archie’s color is, besides the usual ghoulish fascination with mixed race kids? Is she really that invested in him? Harry’s not her son and she never seemed all that close to him. She has her own grandchildren.She has never given the impression she is even interested in Will’s all- English children. Camilla always seemed about Charles and only Charles. Unless she’s speaking for him and her views, it seems her main issues would be the attention the Sussex children would get, because it would overshadow Charles.

      • Lorelei says:

        @L4Frimaire, this is an excellent point. I doubt she cares enough to have made an issue over it.

  46. Chaine says:

    Why is everything a competition for these people? If your job is being royal patron the publicity should not matter, just be happy for each other that you are visiting and interacting with your patronages!

    • Lorelei says:

      @Chaine, Right? How are they unable to see how petty they appear to the rest of the world with this kind of nonsense?

      Jealousy is the only thing that drives them, and they seem to live in a neverending popularity contest. Competing against their own spouses and children!! Meghan must have felt like she was back in high school, with the way these grown-ass adults behave.

  47. Jane Wilson says:

    Since Diana’s death, the only Royal whose work I’ve EVER been interested in is Harry’s. His humour and empathy and obvious interest in wounded warriors, children and his naked honesty about depression, anxiety and substance abuse were a revelation. He was and is real.
    Meghan is similarly emotionally committed to her work.
    The idea that anyone would be interested in watching or listening to that phoney old bat walking around like every other boring royal, acting royal, shaking hands, feigning interest and wearing a big hat is ridiculous. Even if she does care about DV in some vague, aristocratic way, nothing about her reads passion, empathy or caring – and I can’t imagine a picture of her in the paper attending an event would register as anything more than “some royal doing something – and hey, how much do we pay Charles and Camilla for faking interest in the plebes?”
    Diana and Harry and Meghan just being themselves and doing what they think is right is more electric and real and important than anything the rest of that crusty, salty bunch of whiners have or could ever do.

  48. Here4Tea says:

    Its just as well Camilla has a fleet of Land Rovers ™ tI chose from because someone is clearly doing their best to grow her under the nearest bus. I suspect camp Cambridge is behind this, it’s been mighty quiet this summer. I am still of the view that if Camilla was responsible for the speculation regarding Archie then William would have outed her by now.

  49. Demi says:

    At what time will the tabloids stop rewriting old stories about once at a time when Meghan Markle was a working Royal? it’s been years since then the world has changed so many important things are happening now M&H live in the US it’s truly pathetic and the audience for this b** are more pathetic.

  50. Margaret says:

    People please don’t leave Sophie and Edward out of the getting even with Charlie and cammie, no title episode. Also I recall cammie being pissed at meghan after the her appearance at fashion week, her mean girl face when Charlie would grin and blush when speaking to meghan. Also don’t forget her prison stop when the female inmates kept praising meghan.
    Someone wanted to know what Zara said, ” nobody likes meghan”. All the ugly mean women in that group where do they all come from?. Answer: the BRF, and the carnival of royal experts.

    • Debbie says:

      Camilla had an event at a women’s prison and the inmates brought up the subject of Meghan to Camilla? See, this is why I wish Camilla wasn’t so forgettable. I would have LOVED to read that story. I wonder who or what even prevented the BM from highlighting that Camilla event?

  51. Jaded says:

    Normally Camilla flies under the radar with her opinions, but she made two tactical blunders that revealed her antipathy towards Meghan. She was openly smirking and sneering at Meghan’s wedding ceremony — she seemed to think it was vulgar and laughable and “too American” (read “black”). Then when she was asked by Chris Ship at a visit to Prospect Hospice if she’d miss Harry and Meghan she again smirked and said “hmmm…course”.

    It’s obvious she resents Meghan’s star power, thinks she’s a grasping parvenu who lured Harry away and showed up William and Kate (not a difficult thing to do actually). But Meghan and Harry pulled the curtains back on an ugly, spiteful and racist family mired in “tradition” which is royalspeak for ransacking the colonies and disdaining the colonials, especially if they’re POC. As a result, KP, BP and CH are all turning on each other via courtiers and tabloids and self-destructing while the Sussexes are living the good life in Montecito with their babies, good works and 97 bathrooms. Must be so satisfying to sit back and watch the carnage unfold.

    • Tessa says:

      Camilla made more than two tactical errors and not just involving Meghan. One was her doing an obvious stunt “taking Kate to lunch before the wedding of W and K” and going to a restaurant and talking very loudly giving Kate “advice.” That appeared to backfire. The other I can recall is when she and Charles were on tour and some singers representing a specific culture sang, she started smirking and giggling rudely. I don’t think Camilla can even overshadow Kate however bland Kate is. She and Kate perhaps use each other. I don’t get why Camilla is not upset over Kate being called the Next Queen on some media sites. Camilla is lucky she got in. What if Charles was given the same choice that Edward VIII got, mistress or throne, I think Charles would have chosen the throne. He studied carefully the situation (legally) before he took the plunge and got engaged to Camilla.

      • Nic919 says:

        Camilla will always be above rank to Kate even once William is king so I don’t know why Kate is pushing the future Queen stuff while excluding mention of Camilla. It’s a dangerous game and Charles will make sure his consort is treated well.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        @Nic919. All of Kate’s, Carole’s and Uncle Gross’s future queening stories about Kate – from recent months- would p*ss off Charles more than an IG post from 1-1/2 years ago. The Kate Future Queen and her husband(haha) would bother Charles too.

    • Lorelei says:

      @Jaded 👏👏👏

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      @Jaded, I love the idea that KP, BP, and CH are turning & telling on each other. Along with the BM & courtiers. They are so busy pointing fingers at Harry & Meghan that they don’t realize that people see all the fingers pointing back at them. Whether it’s the intention or not with the BM and invisible contract, the BRF are looking like another version of Game of Thrones. A game Harry & Meghan aren’t playing.

      Like you said, they’re living the good life with their babies and in my projections, The Eagles Peaceful Easy Feeling is playing in the background.

  52. Kristin says:

    Meghan coming into the family must have been Camilla’s worst nightmare. Even before she married Charles, she always complained that Diana would forever overshadow her and take all the love and glory from the people. She finally starts getting a little more acceptance, and WHAM! Here comes Diana 2.0, but worse. With social media, lol! Camilla must have been throwing a tantrum to Charles about that, ha!!

    • Tessa says:

      Camilla was Always over shadowed even now after Diana’s death, she did not have the next generation of royals, Diana did. Diana will always have that advantage.
      . Camilla was not worried about Diana because IMO she did not think she and Charles did anything wrong. She and Charles even cooperated with Penny Junor on her books (Junor said so) which included out and out Diana bashing. I don’t think that people who never liked Camilla to begin with would all of a sudden like her. The Crown Season 4 really made people aware of her role in the marriage. Camilla really should mind her own business considering that she is not a saint to say the least.

  53. paddingtonjr says:

    So everyone gets a day and everything except that person’s “thing” has to stop? I would think, as the BRF is an “institution” supported by the taxpayers, the more engagements they are seen doing, the better. I always thought of the BRF was more important as an institution than the popularity of any of the individual members. Certainly I thought of Diana as a member of the institutional BRF until her divorce as I thought of H&M until “Sussexit”. I know now they are too dysfunctional for this, but they really should be more concerned with the future of the monarchy rather than whose day it is to breath.

  54. Tessa says:

    Camilla is the stepmother who married their father when both of them were grown. She never raised them She should just keep quiet, she is not one to preach. She should look to her own children. Her son and his wife split and should worry about them.

  55. AmelieOriginal says:

    At this point, Celebitchy writers could just use scenes from the show The Windsors to show Camilla lol, she is turning into a textbook villain. Just watch this trailer from the first season where the actress playing Camilla is jealous of Kate and Will for being the most popular royals ever (the show started airing in 2015 I think before Meghan came on the scene): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GvHVCguMS0

  56. RoyalBlue says:

    Camilla is joining in to let us know who she supports. She is the last one to join the fight, but as expected, she is siding with the school yard bullies and throwing a few nasty jabs.

    She is sending these missives through while the royals are on their 75 day summer holiday. Much needed rest after all their hard and dutiful work to the hundreds of charities they serve.

    It’s all so unbelievable. We have not seen a zoom call in months.

  57. The Artist Formerly Known as Valiantly Varnished says:

    No one paid attention to her event before Meghan. Because, like her husband and his egg-headed elder son and daughter-in-law, she is about as interesting as sawdust. It’s not Meghan Cammi – it’s YOU.

  58. L4frimaire says:

    I don’t know why old girl is so presses about something that happened 18months ago, especially when the UK press chose to ignore her over Meghan. They were talking up her speech, then decided to ignore it when Instagram posts were more important than this “ groundbreaking “ speech which I’ve never seen a quote of. She’s about to be overshadowed once again by Diana once the Crown, the Spencer movie the Diana musical (?!) all come out. Diana is having a moment and she’s not even here anymore. Mama needs to sit this one out because Meghan has never been, and never will be her problem. Camilla has all the charisma and charm of an old gym sock.

    • WithTheAmerican says:

      This whole Camilla whine is so absurd. What could she have to say about domestic violence that is groundbreaking?

      Newsflash Cam: as much as people pretend to care about it, no one reads articles about domestic violence speeches. They will read articles about the topic of it involves celebrities or dead people or sensationalized violence. But no one GAS what some crusty mean girl had to say about it.

  59. Melanie says:

    Old women don’t spend their time being jealous of young woman. Age has certain advantages. And Camilla is going to be queen. What is she jealous of anyway?

    • Kalana says:

      Camilla has blackamoor imagery in her house. Racists feel pretty incandescent when a biracial duchess gets more attention than them.

    • Tessa says:

      Camilla was born 13 years earlier than Diana. IMO she was very confident she could control things. She IMO wanted what Diana had.

  60. ennie says:

    This story smells, or stinks, I am no Camilla fan, but could it be someone younger and taller throwing her under the bus?

  61. myjobistoprincess says:

    So the notorious-abuser-queen-consort-name-begger is incandescent with rage because what? Her thunder was stolen? B*itch please, to steal some thunder you gotta have some in the first place.

  62. Noor says:

    Oh Camilla , to shut down this type of toxic article, just let the media hyperventilate by supporting Meghan’s 40×40 mentorship programme.

  63. Nita says:

    It’s like Eugenie ‘advocating’ the trafficking of Women. Really? As if her father’s aledge participation in Epstein’s sex slave trafficking is something different. The thought proces of these UK royals is sickening.t

  64. Fascinating Fascinator says:

    IMO Russell Myers is a pot-stirrer. He often gets a pass on things because he is young, good looking, popular, and just aware and feminist enough that he seems like a huge improvement over the other stale pale male commentators. But actually – Russell is even worse because he acts like he’s sympathetic and then publishes and says super harmful and damaging things. I used to listen to a podcast he was a regular on – only time I’ve actually shouted at a podcast. I had to stop subscribing because he is SO egregious. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Just another reason why I love this site and always want more/better/fairer Royal coverage!

  65. Well Wisher says:

    Comments #30, 49 and 60 are spot on. Camilla possibly voiced her disapproval of Meghan privately, why two articles about Camilla and editorial about climate change from her husband in a known climate change denier rag? The fail needs the endorsement, what does the Prince get in return? Is it a swap? It is public knowledge that Charles want Camilla to be Queen Consort. Does it mean that his sons will have to sign off on it when the time comes? If so, why would Camilla’s displeasure about Meghan is now exposed?
    Could it be that the recent reduction in staff at KP, indicate a step back at the prompting of the Queen to her son to yank the chain? The recent joint trip to Scotland a subtle way of indicating this is how the Tory prince is supposed to be doing engagements?
    TOB was told point blank that Harry is more productive than he was? Harry works harder and has charisma.
    The established pattern for pettiness is briefing to a tabloid, even if it is recycled with a new angle with the intent that Harry will take note and get back at Camilla. I hope it fail, if that is the intent. Any disapproval to Camilla as QC has to be rooted in legitimacy to maintain Harry’s integrity.

    • Fascinating Fascinator says:

      Yes to your comment but also – some of these stories is the media being the media. They don’t JUST serve their Royal masters – they are out there getting clicks and money. Never forget that the media is loyal to themselves FIRST. It is a BUSINESS.

  66. Marie says:

    Sometimes I just stand back and think, “These people are f*cking babies. Shut up!”