Duchess Camilla ‘joked’ about Prince Harry & Meghan’s kids having ‘ginger afros’

There’s this weird/funny pattern with almost all of the “royal biographies” released in the past three years. At first, the British media overhypes all of the early excerpts which are usually massively critical of the Sussexes. Then after the initial anti-Sussex blitz is over, additional excerpts come out and they usually make the other royals look terrible, then suddenly the British media doesn’t want to cover the book at all, or they don’t want to cover the book with the same enthusiasm. It happened with Robert Lacey, it happened with Tina Brown. It didn’t happen with Robert Jobson, because his book was about embiggening Prince William, and after the first excerpts made William look terrible, the British media completely ignored his book. So, we’re at the “the British media will start ignoring Tom Bower’s book” phase of things. Bower’s anti-Sussex dumbf–kery enjoyed a good blitz for a week. Now it’s time for Bower to make other royals look awful:

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle may have fled the UK, and the royal family, over Camilla Parker Bowles, according to a new book — which also alleges that Harry will expose his stepmother as “racist” in his upcoming memoir. Tom Bower claims in “Revenge: Meghan, Harry and the war between the Windsors,” out now in the UK, that “The Sussexes’ suspicion that the Duchess of Cornwall had made racist comments about [their then-unborn son] Archie had fueled their fearsome denunciation of the entire royal family.”

Bower goes on to write that Camilla allegedly made a “racist” remark about what Meghan and Harry’s future child’s hair would look like, sometime after their relationship became public.

“During those weeks, Harry met Charles and Camilla at Clarence House. In Harry’s version, the conversation alternated between serious and joking and touched three topics,” Bower writes in an excerpt obtained by Page Six.

“First, Harry was told that Meghan should continue with her acting career. Second, Scotland Yard could not automatically be expected to pay for his girlfriend’s 24-hour protection. And third, according to Harry, someone speculated about what his future child would ‘look like.’ In one version, Camilla remarked, ‘Wouldn’t it be funny if your child had ginger Afro hair?’”

Harry allegedly “laughed” at the comment, but, per Bower, “subsequently, Meghan’s reaction to that conversation turned Harry’s amusement into fury.”

Bower also predicts that Harry’s memoir, expected this fall and ghost-written by American journalist J.R. Moehringer, will further explore the divide between Harry and Camilla.

“Meghan was expected to help the ghost-writer understand the pain inflicted by the royal family on herself and Harry,” Bower writes. “Among the targets besides William, Kate and Charles would be Camilla. Meghan had identified her as racist.” Bower writes of Prince Charles: “Camilla, he suspected, would be cited in Harry’s memoir as a reason for the couple to turn away from Britain.”

[From Page Six]

If Camilla was reeling off comments like that to Harry, then that explains why Prince Charles has been banging on and on for a year about how worried he is that Harry’s memoir will be a burn book about Camilla. That’s Charles’s guilty conscience speaking – Charles knows exactly the kind of racist, derogatory and offensive comments Camilla has made about Meghan and the Sussex children. It also just sort of backs up everything Harry and Meghan said during the Oprah interview too. While I still believe Prince William was the one who said sh-t about the baby’s skin color TO Harry, I also believe that several royals were saying sh-t to and about Harry and Meghan.

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  1. Denise says:

    This is supposed to be a future Queen. She is beyond disgusting. Looking down on everyone while being primitive and trashy all on her own

    • Wiglet Watcher says:

      This is Camilla in a nutshell.
      Camilla is trashy. Sure, she’s probably great 1on 1 and maybe pretty good at socializing at private parties, but her private opinions are that of a jealous, racist woman. The more we learn… worse it gets.

      How awful for Meghan to have been exposed daily to these awful people.
      Assuming this is true. This is Bower after all.

      • Julia K says:

        @ silver watcher, ” assuming this is true ” is exactly right. Bower has written nothing but lies so why would we believe this nugget is true? We can’t cherry pick what parts we want to believe, even though she likely said some nasty things this may not be one of them. I think his ” sources” are all bogus and poking the bear hoping for a reaction.

      • Julia K says:

        Spell check not ” silver” but wiglet

      • DuchessL says:

        Im sure she’s great at socializing and at random banter. The 3 subject of Harry’s conversation with Charles and Camilla is so so so revealing of their plan. Aksing meghan to continue acting because they had enough heart not to get her penniless after they’d be done with her/after harry would break up with her. Tell Harry she shouldn’t expect security to make his and her life too difficult to continue and of course plant a seed of doubt and ridicule in harry’s head on their kids so that he wouldn’t go the distance with her. That is very cruel. Charles is an imbecile and camilla is fckng heartless. I can see how camilla would be able to say this to Harry, she is not his mother – only a stepmother’s hate could say this outloud. And i can also see how both of them would purposely make Diana’s life a nightmare just because they could.

    • duchcheese says:

      Camilla is scum, but she is not THE racist. Meghan said, there were several conversations between “the racist” and Harry in which “the racist” expressed concern about Archie’s potential skin color and what a dark skin baby would make the monarchy look. You hear these rats continuously keep bangin on about how Camilla was “the racist” blah blah blah, but they forget one thing: both Sussexes said they will never reveal the racist’s identity because if they did, the damage said revelation would do to “the racist’s” reputation would be irreparable; in like “the racist” would be toast if they were ever revealed. So no, Bower can keep trying but his wild claims are still just wild claims at best. Camilla’s reputation is already in the toilet so revealing her as “the racist” would change nothing. Secondly, there was no way Camilla would have several convos with Harry over Archie’s potential skin color, no way

      • Sue E Generis says:

        Yup. All of this.

      • Heat says:

        It’s rather ironic that they were so worried about the skin colour of the children. That family has so much inbreeding over the centuries, it’s a wonder that none of them had tails!

      • 100% this. It was William and was more or less confirmed by the palace a monthish ago that it was William. Willy has returned to his old tricks of throwing other family members under the bus to cover for his horrible actions.

      • Puppetgirl says:

        Do you think the real racist was Wills?

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        Cams is too easy a target for this – this stinks of KP and/or Carol(e) throwing her under the bus to protect the real racist(s).

        Bower has clearly been smoking sh!t as half of what he’s saying looks like it came straight from the Daily Fail comments section – #DuchessofTights is currently trending on UK Twitter with about 15k tweets, most of which are dragging Khate.

      • Cee says:

        This was my line of thought as well. Her reputation has always been damaged, at best.

        My money is on William. The Monarchy has shown time and time again they’re willing to destroy others as long as William retains his polished facade.

      • TigerMcQueen says:

        Yup. Camilla’s ‘joke’ doesn’t fit what Harry and Meghan talked about in the Oprah interview. This just proves that everyone was saying racist s*** around them.

      • MissMarirose says:

        I can see your point. It’s always easier to throw one of the married-ins under the bus, than one of the bloody royals.

        (Typo but I’m not gonna fix it.)

      • ncboudicca says:

        I think this theory makes a lot of sense. William has the most to lose if it’s discovered he’s the one who said whatever was said (and I have no doubt that whatever was said was much more aggressive than one tasteless joke).

      • C says:

        All of what everyone has said, but also the fact that in the interview, Meghan didn’t even acknowledge William’s existence. It said it all to me.

      • Whoa @Digital Unicorn you were not exaggerating!!! Kate is getting DRAGGED on Twitter right now. Everything she does backfires on her and I’ll bet Willy is incandescent with rage right now lol. First almost giving the son heat stroke just so she could play the “strict mother” and now clearly being the source of bringing up a petty feud everyone has moved on from while your country is struggling to afford food.

      • Cairidh says:

        I immediately thought this is just another attempt to defuse and deflect from the real racist conversation. They already tried saying it was Anne but that didn’t stick.

      • Yvette says:

        The very fact of royal ‘experts’ naming various Royal Family members as the culprit proves they either don’t know who made the comments, or everyone knows it was William and this is a collective ploy to keep the light off him. But have you noticed? Since the Oprah interview Prince Charles, duchess Camilla, and Princess Anne have been fingered as suspects … but not William. Even though all of the royal experts/reporters agree about the major argument between Harry and William while he was dating Meghan that caused a riff between them.

        Furthermore, wasn’t it just months ago when a ‘royal expert’ claims that Charles was the one who made the racist comment? Something about a breakfast conversation when Charles asked what the children would look like and a mildly horrified Camilla replying ‘I’m sure they’ll be beautiful’?

      • @Duchesee. ITA. It’s not Camilla. It’s The Other Brother William. This is damagingly irreparable to the existence of the monarchy. This is the reason why Harry and Meghan will never reveal him as the racist.

        Camilla is the most convenient fall guy. She’s reputationally damaged in the first place so Bower can throw her under the bus.

      • Both Sides Now says:

        @ Pink Flamingo, my bet is Baldemort as well. He has the greatest amount to lose, hence why they keep throwing names out and nothing sticks. This was ALL William hence why they keep trying to pin it on someone else!!! Willy has shown how racist he is just in this past year, his behaviour during their Cat 5 Caribbean Disaster Tour and the comments made about Africans to stop having babies is a clear cut indication that is has always been William. William is the out spoken racist, has been and will always be. Furthermore, he encouraged Harry to wait and not propose to Meghan as well. William has been against this union from the start.

        As for Cowmilla, she has nothing to lose. Her reputation is in the toilet since the ‘80’s, this wouldn’t be as damaging to her, that’s why Bowels is now declaring it’s her. It’s not Camilla, never was. Now, she certainly has no taste or filter and she is certainly racist, but she doesn’t have the balls to make comments like that directly to Harry.

      • Marychristmas says:

        Harry & Meghan gave different versions of the “concerned about his skin tone’ story.

      • Mrs.Krabapple says:

        I agree. This is most likely William deflecting negative attention to Camilla and throwing her under the bus. And/or, muddying the water so that his own actions and words are diluted as just part of the background noise.

      • C says:

        No, they didn’t, Marychristmas.

      • Gabby says:

        I very much think it’s William and/or KKKate. Charles very much isn’t going to take this sitting down. William will very much be exposed and when he does, his defense will be to throw KKKate very much under the bus. Prepare thyselves for entertainment gold!

        #DuchessofTights is beyond hilarious, and I don’t think TOB cares if his wife gets dragged on Twitter or not. He doesn’t give a f*ck about her.

      • Lynne says:

        I agree. I don’t think anyone can confirm that it was her…all speculation

      • Dollycoa says:

        I agree it was William. It must have been something big for it to have completely destroyed their relationship, and it sounds like he had been trying to persuade Harry not to marry Meghan. Its the sort of thing that would maybe come out as a last ditch attempt ( even though it was probably the main reason). He is 100% Windsor and was willing to silence his dead mother to keep the Windsors in power long enough for his children to benefit.

      • aftershocks says:

        I’m sure if it was said by Camilla, it was meant snidely and nastily. But honestly, there’s absolutely nothing f’ing wrong with natural ginger afros in the first f’ing place! Do a Google search of images. Beauty personified! 😍 Anything touched by blackness (i.e., melanin), is made rich and beautiful. Just sayin’ b/c it’s the truth.

        Sadly, the world is upside down and backwards. Haters are always gonna hate and project their nonsense.

      • aftershocks says:

        ^^ In other words, somehow ‘afros,’ which is is a naturally kinky curly hairstyle, is being equated with something negative or bad. There’s nothing negative or bad about afros. The problematic issue is that racist culture views anything related to being black and being proud of one’s physical characteristics as something to look down on, or to mock, or to be afraid of.

    • taris says:

      this entire family is trash…

      • swaz says:

        Yes they are, that’s what they do to entertain themselves in their bubble, didn’t the Queen called someone a gorilla in their documentary, saying he had a short body and long arms ha ha ha 😫

      • CocofromCanada says:

        Total trash! The Crown series will be catching up to current and we can watch this implode in real time. Verymucharacistbrother. Racist FFK.

    • Maxine Branch says:

      So agree. A 75 year old former mistress foisting herself on the public while talking about hair texture and farts. For me this sums of that charade over there in Britain.

      • SueBarbri says:

        I forgot about the Biden fart fiasco! LMAO. Even my mother (who is not a royal watcher) was OUTRAGED when I told her what CPB said about Joe. She’s so terrible. And by constantly telling us how terrible she is with the racism and drinking and adultery and gossiping about farts, they’re making Charles seem equally horrible. I don’t care how “earthy” or “horsey” she is–what kind of head of state would marry such a lousy, mean woman? She has no redeeming warmth, she is unfashionable, she never seemed to try to have any sort of relationship with H or W, she’s a booze hound, she’s lazy, she never apologized for having an affair with Charles while he was married to Diana, and she’s just all-around horrible. Charles couldn’t find anybody better than this? If we’re supposed to believe this is his soulmate, then what does that say about his soul?

      • PrincessK says:

        Yes, Camilla is very loose tongued and she has been involved with sharing gossip with friends about tightgate and who made who cry.

    • AnnaKist says:

      I couldn’t agree more. I used to say that Camilla was a trashy snake, masquerading as Diana‘s friend. The only thing that’s different now is that she is also a nasty old bitch.

    • MissMarirose says:

      Well, she wouldn’t be the first Queen to act that way. Not by a long shot. That family has centuries of royals like that in their history. She’ll fit right in.
      Another reason to abolish the monarchy.

    • kelleybelle says:

      On top of that she’s only a former side-piece who looks, frankly, like Dobbin’s bag. I swear the homeless guy on the corner has more class.

      • Both Sides Now says:


        What a wonderful comparison!!! And spot on, I might add!!

    • MakeEverydayCount says:

      Everything is a “Joke” with these people when they say things that are hurtful and hateful

    • NotSoSocialB says:

      CamSwilla strikes again. 🙄

    • The Recluse says:

      This woman has always given off a privileged, entitled and COARSE vibe. I’ve never liked her.

  2. Ramona says:

    I don’t like the author and don’t believe him… but this isn’t too far fetched for them(Camilla had blackamoor antiques all over her house ) and British ppl have a weird sense of humor… but SMH 🤦‍♀️,these ppl,they are just a disgusting bunch of entitled and useless ppl who look down on ppl who actually works and pay for their asses 🤬

  3. Enny says:

    I think this confirms that the one they referenced on Oprah was Prince PwT. It is exactly his MO to sell out Camilla for her joke, so everyone will assume Camilla was the only secret racist, and people will stop looking at him. We see you, Baldy.

    • Nev says:

      She WISHES she had a ginger Afro.
      Old trick. Sit down.

      • ANON says:

        @NEV YES. She should be so lucky.

      • Stacey Dresden says:

        As if ginger fros are something to worry about. These people are so pathetic, so worthless, so hateful…I just can barely muster the energy to comment…but to THINK beautiful, bold, generous Meghan had to marry into this so-called family

      • aftershocks says:

        LOL @Nev! Bullseye 🎯 For real! All the racist nonces can STFU and take several seats. 🤐

        Exactly@ Stacey Dresden. I said the same thing up-thread. Ginger hair is gorgeous in any texture!

    • Dot says:

      So agree – it’s definitely Wills, casting about to try and make it stick to anyone else. Can’t wait until he throws Waity under the bus when the Camilla rumour doesn’t stick.

  4. Alexandria says:

    So the palace source is KP. Too easy to put Cam under the bus.

    • Laura D says:

      That’s how I saw it as well. As soon as I saw the headline I thought that’s either the Middletons or KP. There are far to many extracts which make Kate out to be a saint and damns everyone-else.

      As many others have posted I believe the author knows most of what he’s written is a load of tosh but, wants a reaction from Harry and Meghan (preferably a lawsuit). Twitter posters have fact checked many of these headlines and found them to be misleading and/or damn right lies. I find it hard to believe a real investigative reporter wouldn’t do the same.

      I do believe Camilla would say something like that but, I honestly don’t think she meant it with malice. I agree it’s a totally inappropriate comment to make but, I think she just thought she was being funny!

      The person who had “concerns” knew exactly what they were saying and the fact Harry went on the record with the conversation shows which conversation he felt was malicious. If he/or Meghan had been hurt or offended by the “Afro” comment he would have included it with the “concerns” conversation. I have to wonder if Bowel has included the “Afro” comment to get someone (anyone) to defend Camilla’s comment by releasing the name of the “concerned” royal.

    • Bean says:

      I agree. I don’t particularly like Camilla but she’s a way too easy scapegoat. That said, I could imagine both her and William making remarks but the ones from William would hurt Harry more.
      “We are very much not a racist family”. Horse feathers!! .

      • Carrot says:

        Same. I dislike Camilla but as a ginger I can easily place that comment as a [still inappropriate] poke at gingers. Ginger jokes are pretty much fair game all the time.

  5. ThatsNotOkay says:

    Oh, but she just has a “wicked” sense of humor, people. I mean, afros in and of themselves are a “funny” hairdo, but can you imagine a “ginger” one! Two strikes right there against a kid they might have. Won’t that child look ridiculous, lol! What? Can’t you take a joke? It was meant to be lighthearted–she wasn’t being mean-spirited. She was just laughing at what she thought would look ridiculous on a human being, because she, of the horse teeth, face, and ass, is the arbiter of refinement and good taste.

  6. equality says:

    I don’t think that was all that was said. There was stuff in there so terrible that PH would not even repeat it which makes you wonder what words were used. This is just to (in the RF minds) attempt to make what was said sound like just a joking moment. He must have done most of his interviews (if truly any) with KP or the Middletons since he’s attempting to throw everything off onto Cam. Since the book is supposed to be about PH’s growth as a person, I doubt Cam gets much mention.

    • Saucy&Sassy says:

      equality, I think is this instance Cam is a convenient scape goat (I’m sure she does make racist jokes), but I don’t think she is the one having the discussions with Harry. Someone needs to correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems that I remember Meghan saying that she wouldn’t name them because it would do irreparable damage to THEM. I wouldn’t be at all surprised is the top CEO, Kingmaker, Peacemaker, etc., was part of the discussions–or some of them. That could be why KP/CarolE is throwing Cam under the bus.

  7. VivaAviva says:

    Sounds like they drank a gallon of haterade. I would have been thrilled if one of my kids had a ginger Afro, but my only redhead eventually went blonde and then brown.

    • Steph says:

      My nephew (half Black and half white via both his parents) started out with a super ginger fro, but has since gone blonde.

  8. Ally says:

    I knew it. I was one of the only ones that said it was Camilla because of the way Charles came out to bat for her so hard and all of a sudden there were articles about camillas opinion of Meghan. But what people seem to have missed out, is bower’s attempt to minimise the incident. Meghan did not say “a racialise comment” or “an offensive comment” or even “a comment about our unborn child’s hair”. She said “how DARK his SKIN might be”. That is not the same as talking about ginger afros, that is far more serious and actually racist (and colourist). Turning it into a joke about ginger afros allows Camilla to deny it, and also make it look like Harry and Meghan were overreacting and also try to obliterate from our memory that Meghan said skin colour and dark, not hair. If Twitter is anything to go by, it seems to be working. How dark skin might be is not a comment about hair. He’s trying to gaslight people. But yes, I always thought and still believe it was Camilla.

    • Becks1 says:

      Or, there was both a conversation about how dark his skin might be, and “jokes” about ginger afros.

      • Bean says:

        This – definitely this. William worried about the skin and Camilla made jokes about the hair. Easily believable.
        I do think that William making racist comments would upset and hurt Harry more than Camilla saying something racist and idiotic.

    • C says:

      No, Meghan said there were “concerns” in the conversation that was had about their baby. Camilla was not going to have a serious conversation with Harry about it. But as we saw with Princess Michael, they are all racist and aren’t beneath joking about it. So as Becks said, I think there was both a conversation and also a bunch of racist jokes.

    • Veda says:

      My takeaway from the Oprah interview was that Harry was referring to a separate, particular conversation early on in their relationship which shocked him. My guess is that it was with William and their rift deepened that moment. I think that is the conversation where Harry asked William who the hell he thought he was. Meghan referred to several conversations in tandem with Archie not being made a Prince and not being given security. I think those conversations were something like “we don’t want Meghan’s baby to be titled but we are concerned that we will be called racists if the baby is born with dark skin” 🤮 Just typing it out disgusts me.

    • swirlmamad says:

      I’m just tired of people looking for any and every reason to believe the royal racist WASN’T William. It’s very easy to say it was Camilla — she’s a dried-up raisin and it “makes sense for her to have antiquated views” (that’s according to a friend of mine who just will not believe William and Kate are not lovely people 🙄). It.Was.William. With some Kate thrown in. I’d bet on that. I absolutely believe Camilla’s boozy ass would make “jokes” about a ginger-Afroed baby, but she was NOT having any kind of meaningful discussion with Harry about what it would mean for him to have a black-presenting child. TBH, would Harry really care THAT much about what his homewrecking stepmother really thought about his wife/child-to-be/life choices? No. But he WOULD care about his flesh-and-blood brother spewing such grossness. Which is why their relationship is space and will be for the foreseeable future.

      • Jan90067 says:

        I believe BOTH of them (as well as other family members) made comments (both to and behind H&M’s backs, to each other), with William’s being the most hurtful, of course!

        But I think the one about Archie’s skin color had to come after the wedding (when they announced the pregnancy), otherwise, HOW/WHY would Harry have William stand up with him at the wedding, and during the walk about with H&W, going into the church, greeting the crowd, they *both* looked fine and happy together. There wasn’t any visible tension during that walk.

        Just doesn’t make sense if he said it *before* the wedding…? Not saying W didn’t say *some* things, but this particular comment.

      • Agreatreckoning says:

        Agree @swirlmamad. THE ROYAL RACIST everyone wants named is not Camilla.
        Can easily see her saying things. It amazes me how hard the BM/RR’s work to keep William’s name out of that conversation. I’ll just go with Alex Tiffin’s tweet.

      • aftershocks says:

        @Jan90067: ” I think the [comment] about Archie’s skin color had to come after the wedding (when they announced the pregnancy), otherwise, HOW/WHY would Harry have William stand up with him at the wedding.”

        No. M&H said there were initial conversations with Harry early on in their courtship, which Harry did not speak about to Meghan. He wanted the relationship to work. He did his best not to scare her away. They were both obviously deeply in love, so they likely convinced themselves that some of the the red flags cropping up amongst Harry’s family members could be smoothed over, and that the strength of their love could see them through anything they had to face. Listen to their words in the engagement interview — what they said takes on new meaning the more we hear about what went on behind-the-scenes.

        The initial conversations with Harry were intended to make him rethink, slow down, or end his relationship with Meghan. After they were married and Meghan became pregnant, more conversations ensued directly with Harry, which he then shared with Meghan. Wanna bet such nastiness, questioning their kids’ possible skin color and tying that to security coverage, contributed heavily to Meg spiraling into suicidal ideation! The way they treated such a lovely, kind, generous person is so disgusting. 🤮

        I think it’s clear that Harry took so long b/f publicly confirming Will as his best man b/c he was trying to figure a way out of asking him. I’m sure Harry would much preferred to have Nacho as his best man. Harry has said in interviews that as a royal, you just have to wake up and put on a public face no matter how you’re feeling. This would explain Harry being able to gracefully walk with Will to the church. Plus, I’m sure Harry was excited and happy about finally marrying his soulmate.

    • TigerMcQueen says:

      The incident describe with Camilla doesn’t fit with what Harry and Meghan talked about. So this doesn’t prove that she’s who they meant at all. It just proves that everyone in that trash family was saying racist stuff around them.

      • TEALIEF says:

        As I commented before, there isn’t one racist. There are the ones that expressed concerns, the ones that thought about it, but didn’t say it to their faces, and the few who knew that it was wrong, but were too cowardly to shut it down.

        I speak from experience. My deceased grandfather, half of my maternal uncles, and brother were and are freckled gingers who had ‘fros. As a person who went to school with people of this ilk, very little is off limits. Almost everything is a joke at the expense of the Other. It’s not easy or teasing banter as it’s casually tossed. It’s said to humiliate you as person, to make you question your personhood, and keep you in check.

    • Siobhan says:

      Agree, I’ve been guessing from the start that it’s her as well – I really think we’re going to find out in one of the books who it was. They didn’t want to say who in the Oprah interview, but I think so much has changed since then that I expect them to be scorched earth in at least one of the books

  9. Becks1 says:

    Who knows if she made that exact comment (his book has been full of so much other BS that its hard to take any of it seriously), but if she did, it kind of fits with what we’ve been discussing here. The whole family is pretty racist and Harry probably heard a lot of jokes similar to that one – jokes that some just call “off color” and then others think are pretty racist. (I mean Prince Philip anyone??)

    I do think this is part of the concern with the book – that it exposes not just THE racist who had “concerns” about how dark Archie would be and what that would “mean” for the family, but also just the sort of….everyday, casual racism of the royals, the comments Meghan must have heard, the microaggressions, etc. All of that will of course be part of the culture of the Firm, it won’t just be that Camilla made a racist joke about “ginger Afros” once, its what the staff were saying, how they were taking their cues from the royals, etc. I know stories like this will hurt Charles’ pro-Camilla PR campaign, but I think in the long run the bigger problem is that it will expose the “very much not a racist family” as being “very much racist” and not just bc of Camilla.

    • ThatsNotOkay says:

      So very well put. All of this.

    • Anners says:

      I could def see this. The whole family (and all their various hangers-on) have snobby, outdated views on everything (especially what passes for humour) and seem set in aspic. I fully believe that they are casually racist in everyday conversations and need to be called out. There’s a part of me that would love for them to see how hurtful and disgusting they are and to change their behaviour, but I’m not holding my breath. I just hope this hastens the fall of the Mountbatten-Windsors.

    • Nic919 says:

      I don’t understand who would tell bower this conversation though. It’s not Harry because he does not speak to any of these faux authors and would Camilla really tell on herself like that?

      It just seems to convenient for this kind of story to come out and divert from the skin colour comment that William likely made and was referred to in the Oprah interview.

      It doesn’t mean that Camilla might not have said a racist joke, but this entire book has been full of lies so this seems like a diversion from the duchess of tights thing.

      • Becks1 says:

        Yeah, that’s what I think too. This is just a very convenient story to make Camilla look like THE racist, and we know this story would not have come from Clarence house or any of their usual go-to sources, so either bower just completely made it up (possible) or its a leak (direct or indirect) from KP to deflect attention from the Cambridges.

      • C says:

        I think this particular story is true and it comes from William, yes, in a bid to divert attention from himself.

        It would make sense he would be mad after all the Jubbly “reconciliation” overtures that he was distinctly left out of.

      • Jan90067 says:

        Any of the serving staff in the house could overhear at any time and be a “source” for the extra income. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Remember the old saying, “The walls have ears” lol

    • SarahCS says:

      I would not put money on her being The Racist but I have every confidence that they are all very much a racist family and regularly said racist things and committed microagressions without the slightest idea that what they were doing was racist. That’s how they roll.

  10. Joan Callamezzo says:

    First rate educations and the ability to travel the world a hundred times and this is the royal mindset. They’re all trash. Ugly inside and out.

    • Moneypenny424 says:

      First rate educations to be sure, but only gained because of who they are, not their actual intellectual capabilities.

      Ugly inside and out and not smart.

      • Jan90067 says:

        And it’s only a few, not all are educated well, starting with Liz. Also, let’s face it: how many “passed” the courses on their own merit, w/out “help” from others or the schools for the prestige of having a “royal” student.

  11. Selene says:

    I feel like I can’t pick and validate Bower’s claims without validating the rest. He was already shown to be a liar, so he remains a liar on everything. Even if he comes out with something positive about MM, I choose to not believe him.

    • Becks1 says:

      Yeah I said something similar in my comment. He’s been full of lies and BS thus far, but because this is something negative about camilla people want to believe him. All this really confirms for me is that KP is feeding Bower a lot of the lies, it explains the damn crying story we talked about yesterday.

    • C says:

      I would say that too except they’re trying to paint it, like he painted Harry’s friends, as just joking around and Harry and Meghan overreacting.

    • N. says:

      Selene: I agree with you. I don’t want to cherry-pick what to believe about somebody else when an author has alleged such a huge mass of patently false stuff about Meghan and Harry. It’s safest to say everything he writes is unreliable, as much as I suspect Camilla as being capable of making such ill-intended jokes.

  12. Ann says:

    TRASH. To think that is horrific but to say it out loud too? Trash AND stupid. These people!

  13. Jessica says:

    This surprises me only because I always thought it was William that said it. It is interesting to me that Harry wasn’t offended by it and didn’t have a negative reaction to it (per this account) until he spoke with Meghan.

    • Becks1 says:

      IF this story is true, my theory is that it was “just” one of many racist jokes the royals made and thought they were hilarious. I think this is separate from THE conversation about skin color. It was very clear from the Oprah interview that Harry was appalled by the skin color conversation when it happened.

      But this is Bower so who has any freaking idea what actually happened.

    • North of Boston says:

      You thought that William said what? As folks pointed out, the comments Meghan and Harry mentioned weren’t about skin color, so “ginger Afros” jokes wasn’t what they were referring to.

      Also, this guy has already been shown to make stuff up and lie, so anything he claims about anyone is suspect.

    • Puppy1 says:

      It’s bullshit that Harry had minimal reaction until Meghan whipped him up. That’s just their way of making Meghan bad (as per usual).

  14. Lolalola says:

    I doubt very much that Harry laughed.

    • Dee(2) says:

      That comment was added to give Credence to the,”even Harry thinks these things aren’t big deals until that evil Meghan gets her hands into him”. They’re doing their best to normalize these microaggressions as people just joking around and having a good time and Meghan is just so uptight and can’t take a joke, and everyone is having a good time until she ruins everything. They refuse to see how these comments are based on negative stereotypes and prejudices because that would then make them need to change their behavior.

      • Becks1 says:

        also, sometimes people laugh not bc something is funny, but because its just awkward and uncomfortable, and you think “holy eff did they just say that, how do I react” so you laugh but its not because you thought it was funny.

      • TigerMcQueen says:

        @Becks1 exactly. A former supervisor once bemoaned the fact a Black contractor had been hired by saying, “But what about all of the qualified contractors we didn’t hire?” She said this and several other racist things linked to the contractor hire to several people in our office, and we’re a diverse group. Uncomfortable laughter was the reaction by many. Sometimes jaws literally dropped and stayed open. But the overall reaction was ‘holy eff did she just say that how do I react’ and people just kind of doing or saying whatever they could to end the conversation so they could get away from her.

      • Both Sides Now says:

        @ TigerMcQueen, my therapist had a wonderful statement regarding laughing at uncomfortable statements. We laugh as a reaction to deflect from confronting the atrocities committed, stated or performed. It’s human nature to laugh as we are trying to digest the comments as they are harmful and hateful comments. Until we learn how to react properly, we will revert to uncomfortable laughter. That’s how my therapist explained it, which made sense to me.

      • aftershocks says:

        ^^ Exactly. Case in point: Will Smith initially tried to put on a show of laughing at Chris Rock’s nasty joke about his wife Jada’s baldness. Seconds later, after seeing Jada’s hurt reaction, Will snapped, walked up to the stage and slapped Rock across the face. I think Will’s unexpected reaction had something to do with his repressed guilt over not being able to protect his mother from domestic violence. Will discussed these family memories and emotions in his autobiography. Plus, of course, Chris Rock had been baiting and harassing Jada and Will with public, unfunny mocking ‘jokes’ for years.

  15. Lily says:

    WTF is their collective problem, seriously. It’s like every royal remaining on the island is hellbent on being as awful as possible in each and every way. How did she even come up with that ”joke”, how on earth would it be funny.

  16. Lusaka mummy says:

    My only question(s) is how many books need to be written? How many books can one read on the royal family and their dirty laundry? How many books should be written about Meghan without people getting tired of it all. Or people just get excited that Meghan will be exposed in one or another. What happened to living your own life? How can one live their life as a hater and gleefully wait for one woman to be taken down.


    • Xinjiang says:

      If the market value is there without risk of libel lawsuits books will keep coming out. But I think this will be the last big one about Meghan . Unless something big happens irl

    • PrincessK says:

      It really is getting boring now. Nasty Bower is just dragging out old stories that were known about and twisting them to suit his own wicked agenda. He pretends to love the monarchy but is happy to contribute to its problems to satisfy his own narcissism. Bower is totally out of touch with the mood of the younger generation who will decide the fate of the monarchy.

  17. Noki says:

    Charles is so freakishly over protective of Camilla, wife or not he really coddles her image as if she is some delicate flower. That energy should have been on an innocent 19 year old used as a vessel for your children.

    • Tessa says:

      Charles hired a spin doctor to create the great love story of c and c which is belied by his having many women in his life

    • Digital Unicorn says:

      That is why I think Bower’s book sources where Carol(e), KP and the Daily Fail comments section.

      I wonder how Chuck will react to this.

  18. Merricat says:

    Yep, the entire House of Windsor is a racist mess–Harry, too, until he stepped outside himself, saw it for what it was, and made himself a better man (and more power to him). I can’t believe this is a surprise to anyone. Just because they won’t admit it doesn’t mean it hasn’t been obvious from the beginning. Their fading “empire” rests on the shoulders of their racism.
    Welcome to the 21st century, you ridiculous pretenders to “nobility.”

  19. OriginalMich says:

    What kind of nonsense is this?

    “…he suspected, would be cited in Harry’s memoir as a reason for the couple to turn away from Britain.”

    They didn’t “turn away from Britain”. They were forced out and then made the best of it.

    • North of Boston says:

      Yeah the continued spin and lying about how things happened and are happening is obnoxious.

      • Both Sides Now says:

        As well as getting old. We were all there when it happened and all have a very long memory. No matter how many lies Bowers, or Piss Morgan, spatter on about, we all saw with our eyes and ears as to what actually happened. There is no gas lighting this scenario of Harry and Meghan leaving.

        Bowers seems to be forgetting that Harry and Meghan offered a half in/out option for the BRF, which they promptly declined. So Bowers had better remember that they didn’t run away. Harry and Meghan CHOSE to leave, end of story!!

  20. girl_ninja says:

    Weren’t there some folks on here talkin bout “I don’t get why no one likes Camilla. She seems like a hoot. I’d love to have a drink with her!” Yeah, go have a drink with that ole witch and her lazy daughter in law. Trash.

    • SueBarbri says:

      I’ve never understood that line of reasoning, either. Why would anybody want to have a drink with CPB? She looks like a witch.

    • Tessa says:

      Step daughter in law

    • equality says:

      Well, maybe if they’re buying. It would be a good chance to ask them a few choice questions. I bet they’d expect you to pick up the tab though.

  21. Tessa says:

    Bower is making Camilla look really bad to say the least

  22. Gigi says:

    I read Tom Bower’s source list at the end of the book (yes I p*rated, IDGAF) and he cites mostly Daily Fail and Sun articles, Scamantha, Sperm Donor, Camel-Toeminey, DanWoot and nearly a dozen other of KP mouthpieces.

    I do believe Camilla is racist, but I don’t think she is stupid enough to be an in-your-face racist. This book is a hatchet job courtesy of your friends at Kensignton Palace.

    • Harper says:

      Same folks appeared on Tina Brown’s source list as well.

      • PrincessK says:

        You cannot compare Tina Brown’s book with Bower who is a total rat and 100% biased.

      • Harper says:

        Tina Brown’s chapters on Meghan were incredibly negative and slanted, and her credits pages were full of all the usual rota. Her book was garbage too.

      • @Princessk says:

        I agree that the same old stories were trotted out but Tina Brown acknowledged the racism and despicable behaviour by the press. Brown also has an understanding of the culture clash between American straightforwardness and the British way of not saying what you actually mean. Tina Brown did not appear to get any sources from the Sussex side and so she as a journalist has to keep her sources from the Cambridge KP side happy. Reading between the lines I felt Brown has more empathy with the Sussexes and this may not be the last word from her on the matter. Trust me the tables will eventually turn on the Cambridges who are being over protected and Brown knows it.

      • @Princessk says:

        The Guardian in the past has reviewed books by Bower but appear not to bother with his latest piece of trash.

      • aftershocks says:

        ^^ I disagree with you @PrincessK. Tina Brown (TB-1) wrote a sensationalized book for-profit very similar to Tom Bower (TB-2). They are both broke leeches, clout-chasers, and liars. Granted that TB-1 is probably a better writer and more well-established. Yet, she has still demonstrated a lack of integrity. Bowels is not worth anyone paying any attention to. His own downfall is the one he should be looking out for.

    • Moneypenny424 says:

      @gigi I disagree. Camilla is stupid enough to be in-your-face racist. Because these people think these are “jokes” and that they’re not being racist. These people are the kings of micro aggressions from the top to the bottom. They think if they aren’t literally saying “I hate black people” that they aren’t being racist.

      • LizzieB says:

        This. Absolutely this. They think racism is based on hate only and not also ignorance. I can tend to forgive shit like this is when you point it out they are mortified and apologise, but I suspect when it as pointed out, Camilla rolled her eyes and talked about thin skin, because that’s exactly what the British upper-classes do when they are caught being bigots.

  23. C says:

    I can see this happening. Because the unfortunate fact is that the people who are ready to believe this book would be very quick to laugh at this as a joke and say the Sussexes were being poor sports. This guy called the UN a center of hot air and people were on his side – why would the racists who hate Harry and Meghan find this “joke” offensive? Bower knows his target audience at least.

  24. Pauline says:

    What’s funny about having a ginger afro🙄?

    • JanetDR says:

      Right?! Harry could have one with some length and a pick.

    • PrincessK says:

      Harry must be sick and tired of ginger jokes, even though he is forced to laugh at them.
      I hate the term ginger and prefer red .

      • The Recluse says:

        Me, too. For the longest time we called such people red-haired, but then somehow this annoying British term crept into American lingo. I hate it. I still use red-haired. They can keep their cutesy, vaguely insulting term.

    • Gobo says:

      I spent a good bit of my childhood in England with a red haired sister. They are weirdly and quite extremely prejudiced about it. It’s bad for girls, but God help you if you are a red haired boy. The tormenting is relentless, and doesn’t stop at adulthood. A common phrase was ginger minger. Minger= ugly person. It’s a commonly held idea that being red haired makes you ugly by default.

      • aftershocks says:

        ^^ Uh oh! Then it’s a doubly good reason for the Sussex children with their red hair, and their beautiful WOC mother, and their ginger-haired royal spare Dad, to be faraway from Salty Isle! Growing up in beautiful, balmy Montecito near the beach and the mountain vistas, is so much healthier.

  25. TheOriginalMia says:

    William asked Harry directly about Archie’s skin color. That’s why Harry pays him dust. William is the racist. I can believe Camilla and a few others made comments or jokes and thought nothing of their impact. In spite of that, she isn’t the reason they fled the UK. Nice deflection, KP. Won’t work. William is still the racist. He still enable and encouraged all of the malicious abuse H&M suffered.

    • SueBarbri says:

      Absolutely. They’re trying to deflect by dragging CPB through the mud, but this tactic is old and backfiring on all of them. I don’t think Kate or CPB or Sophie or any of the women in the RF (besides *maybe* the York girls and Fergie) were particularly kind to H&M, but they weren’t the actual cause of the William/Harry/Charles fall-out. Any royal watcher with half a brain can see that there was something acrimonious bubbling between William and Harry long before the wedding day tights conversation and the “red afro” comment and whatever else they’re trying to pin on the women. Yes, wives/girlfriends can complicated family relationships, but the fact that they keep trying to pin this whole thing on CPB demonstrates that the RR would rather do anything–and blame anybody–to avoid having to truthfully dissect what caused the estrangement between the two brothers. I’ve been an avid royal watcher since 1997, and I don’t believe there’s anything CPB could say or do that could get under Harry’s (or William’s) skin. They don’t care what she thinks. They never did. She could have shouted racist tropes and laughed at red afros for days on end, and M&H would have ignored her completely. But I’ve always believed that Harry genuinely felt let down by Will and Kate’s behavior with Meghan (whatever they did or said), and the fact that his book might contain details has the entire royal apparatus running scared.

      • @ Subarbri. ITA. Harry wouldn’t have cared and wouldn’t have been hurt at all if it was Camilla who stated a racist comment. Her opinion doesn’t matter to him. He was deeply hurt and disappointed because it was his brother William who made the racist statement. For all the support Harry gave William he didn’t give him any at the time he needed it most. He let him down and left him all by himself.

      • swirlmamad says:

        @SueBarbri agree totally and I said similar in a prior post. Harry wouldn’t give a rat’s behind what Camilla thinks nor put any energy into letting it upset him, but he absolutely WOULD be hurt by the betrayal of his brother saying such a thing. The one person who should’ve had his back no matter what and been thrilled at him finding love and happiness after having shared the same trauma and heartache of tragically losing their mother as children. William is the royal racist and a POS.

  26. Scorpion says:

    😂😂😂😂 Oh dear oh dear!!!

    The book is the gift that keeps on giving. So many people are now looking to distance themselves!

  27. MY3CENTS says:

    We all knew that there was not one exclusive racist in that family.
    This is not suprising but very much disgusting.

  28. ROAA says:

    Cowmilla is a racist without any doubt, but the real racists who hate Meghan and her kids are BULLIAM and his ugly wife.

  29. Sofia says:

    I have no doubt she said some comments but H&M specifically referred to skin color. Now it’s possible she talked about both hair and skin color though.

    And H&M said multiple conversations so I really do think it could have been more than 1. And the fact that you could make a case for almost anyone from Charles down to the Kents is not good in general.

    • Jan90067 says:

      I DO think most of them made comments, macro AND micro-agressive. HOWEVER… Harry said he wants to reconnect with his father. With WILLIAM the relationship is SPACE. That speaks VOLUMES to who made *that* comment.

      This is VERY MUCH a racist family, thank you very much! (fixed it for W).

    • aftershocks says:

      I disagree @Sofia that a case could be made for all of the Windsors to be responsible for having direct conversations with Harry on such a sensitive, triggering topic. Comments and jokes behind his back, perhaps. But M&H made it clear about the specificity of the skin color conversations being tied to titles and to security protection.

      Notice that it’s only William and Charles who will be King, and who are both Harry’s closest biological relatives as brother and father. They are the only two with power, leverage, familial intimacy, and a former measure of influence over Harry to talk with him in such a way, to betray him so harshly, and to hurt him so deeply.

  30. Jais says:

    Just can’t believe bowers on pretty much anything. Sure, this sounds like it could be true. But since it’s from him, I don’t believe it.

  31. Stef says:

    This checks out for me and I believe there were a lot of insensitive jokes made about the skin, hair, and looks of the unborn children. Camilla is the type to make such a comment and then laugh it off without even considering it’s offensive and wrong.

    This family has been so up their own arses for decades that they likely don’t even realize their way of thinking is archaic, especially the older royals. It falls in line with the article about Harry’s friends casually saying racist and bigot things in front of Megan during their hunting weekend. If these people have never been held to task for their cruel “jokes”, why would they think they’re being offensive. It would take others calling them out for any sense of awareness to crystallize and potentially create change.

  32. Amie says:

    I can see this being true. Or that Camilla said something. But I don’t believe this because there’s too many mistakes that we already know about.

  33. Kit says:

    William the terrible or dd Middleton’s gave this joker that information to detract from him, maybe Camilla did say it, either way this really does not look good internationally on her or Prince Charles !!!

  34. Harper says:

    Over a year later and the British Media has yet to write an article wondering if Prince William was the royal racist. This is why Baldimort is the perfect nickname for him–he who shall not be named.

    Will be interesting to see if Camilla throws Baldimort under the bus in exchange for this tidbit.

  35. Julia K says:

    Poking the bear worked! Buckingham palace says this is false, Camilla said no such thing! News flash!

    • C says:

      LOL they can’t stop telling on themselves!! So they CAN comment, huh?

    • Rapunzel says:

      Bower better watch his step if he’s upset PC and Cammy enough for them to launch a denial. He’s making enemies of the Sussexes and the BRF.
      He might find himself sued.

      But hey, maybe that’s the point. Get sued, launch discovery, get dirt for more books.

  36. fani says:

    this is their first try at getting ahead of the story – a pre-emptive strike of sorts.

    i wonder what they will try for their second iteration.

    it’s very sad that that the Queen spent so many years building this thing up and it is currently eating itself alive.

  37. aquarius64 says:

    Someone went public and said this was not true. Making comments about a African American’s hair is still a major sensitivity. Black people who wear braids and lock in their hair are look down on in the workplace; some companies use to put in the dress code no Afro centric hairstyle because it looks “unprofessional”. There’s a lot to unpack but that’s part of it.

  38. rawiya says:

    Well, she did say she wanted to be more like Philip.

  39. MsIam says:

    Camilla a bitch?! Shocking! Never! Said no one. I’ve never been part of the “Oh she looks like she’d be a boozy old hoot!” fan girl club.

  40. Rapunzel says:

    Someone is out for Camilla. Will and Kate are clearly the most likely suspects. But why are they gunning for her? Are the Cambridges distracting from Will and/or Kate as the racist Harry/Meg mentioned? Are they peeved she’s gonna be Queen Consort (I think Carole is…could she be the source?)? Are the trying to smear Cammy in hopes of causing outrage against Chuck to wreck his reign? Do they just have a grudge against her?

    The motivation behind this is what is most interesting.

    • Becks1 says:

      I do think that someone – William and Kate, the Middletons, someone on that side of things – is peeved about the Queen Consort thing. i think the midds obviously wanted Kate to be the “next” Queen and i think William wanted his wife to be the next queen. I think they were betting on camilla being princess consort. My guess is they knew a year or so ago that charles was going to get the queen to announce that Camilla would be QC and that’s why we started seeing all the stories about how camilla didn’t like Meghan, or “what will Harry say about Camilla in his book?!?!?!?!” which made everyone speculate on how awful Camilla must have been to Harry, etc.

      Looking back, I think all of that “speculation” was coming from KP and was basically trying to smear Camilla with the only real thing left – that she was horrible to H&M. (we know all her other secrets and misdeeds), as an attempt to stop the QC announcement. That would line up with Bower writing this book.

    • Agreatreckoning says:

      “The motivation behind this is what is most interesting.”. Agree @Rapunzel. Along with the Queen Consort theory- The RR’s/BM/BRF flipped their shit at Meghan correcting the crying story. Why? They all have failed (on purpose) to address the obvious overt racism against Meghan in the British Media Harry brought up. The BM knowingly failed to recognize/discuss how Harry & Meghan separated the family from the Firm. The BM has always put out someone else’s name as the possible ROYAL RACIST other than William. Sheesh, they threw Princess Anne under the bus. I’m just surprised they haven’t named a corgi as the racist yet.

      The fact that within less than three weeks after the Oprah interview, Bower announces he is writing a book about Meghan is very sus. Again, Meghan correcting the crying story really set the British Media/RR’s into overdrive. Obviously, it didn’t play into the Meghan bully bullshite. On the other hand, the peacemaker rock of the monarchy, Kate, doesn’t look good if she complained about anything regarding junior bridesmaid dresses.

      Deflecting from the future futures bad behavior is a favorite game. No wonder Harry got his family the hell out of Dodge.

  41. Slippers4life says:

    Curious who Bowers sources are. He claims to have spoken to about 80 people….which sounds to me like a kid saying “I got like a bazillion and five!!” Going to assume he spoke to 1-an aid from Clarence house. 2-Carole Middleton, 3-Uncle Gary, 4-Angela Levin, and 5-some rando who owns every royal commemorative plate.

  42. Snuffles says:

    Here is my theory. There was plenty racially insensitive jokes going around amongst the family, but the “royal racist” comments were unforgivably horrific. Probably something about Meghan’s black DNA polluting to royal blood line. These Megxits/Derangers have been hammering on ENDLESSLY about how they believe Meghan never actually gave birth to either Archie or Lili. Apparently there is some clause that an heir must be “born of the body”. That’s why they are trying to prove Meghan never gave birth so they can remove Archie and Lili from the line of succession.

    • Rapunzel says:

      The royal racist comments likely involved the N word.

    • SnoodleDumpling says:

      Ah, yeah, British law regarding titles is a bit antiquated regarding surrogacy (who am I kidding, it’s just antiquated). It might be tied to the fact that under UK law the surrogate is the one with automatic parental rights to the child and I THINK the biological parents have to go through the adoption process to actually gain custody of their child?

      It’s a legal mess, and you would think that since it’s primarily the wealthy that are suffering under the current law that something would be done to change it, but alas. Boris Johnson and his fake-straight-banana-outrage at Brussels is more important.

  43. Lucylee says:

    Bowel Movement has received overt or subtle pushback from Vanity Fair writer, Buckingham Palace about the Queen, and now from Clarence House about Camilla.
    All of his references are the usual suspects: tabloids, Markles, and royal reporters.
    The references and acknowledgements are very revealing.

    • Rapunzel says:

      What was the pushback about TQ?

      • MsIam says:

        @Rapunzel the pushback from BP was that the Queen didn’t say she was glad Meghan didn’t come to Philip’s funeral. Or she wasn’t likely to have said that or however they phrased it. They will pushback on anything that makes one of the Unroyals look bad but of course throw Meghan and Harry to the wolves.

  44. Siobhan says:

    Who knows if this was the actual/particular comment that she made, but my money has ALWAYS been on Camilla being the one to have made the infamous comment about skin color referred to in the Oprah interview. It fits with her overall personality, she speaks before she thinks and is irreverent. Also remember the video from Harry and Meghan’s wedding – a lot of the royals had some interesting reactions to the pastor but hers was one of the worst, especially for such a senior royal that knew she was being taped – Kate was giving her side eyes while she was openly snickering and making comments.

    • MsIam says:

      Harry and Meghan said the comment was made during a conversation in reference to Archie’s title and security. And that it was several conversations. This was not some snickering joke about “skin color”. This was a serious conversation. I don’t doubt that Camilla is an asshat but the Sussexes were talking about something different. I wish Harry would detail it in his book instead of trying to protect the persons reputation.

      • PrincessK says:

        Remember Harry has a three book deal and l would expect this one to concentrate on his years before Meghan.

      • Siobhan says:

        Oh I have no doubt that what actually happened will come out in one of those three part books – now will it be in the first is what I’m wondering!

      • swirlmamad says:

        I forgot this is the first of 3 books!! Plenty of opportunities to get the juice lol. If they keep pushing him they are DEFINITELY gonna find out by book 3!

  45. Shawna says:

    If this is really coming out of KP, Charles set himself up by leaking all his “fears” about Harry burning Camilla. All William had to do was finish what his father started.

    • Siobhan says:

      So amongst other things, the huge push to cement Camilla’s position and reputation as of late has been one of the things that has me convinced that the palace is expecting some negative things about her to be said in upcoming books by Harry – they’re proactively being defensive on it. Granted some of that would have been natural to happen around now given the queens health, but I think something else is at play – there is a push to elevate Camilla and simultaneously discredit Harry before what they know is to come in his books, interviews, etc. And I think that they know the gloves are most likely coming off (on all sides) after the queen dies and that Harry and Meghan know where the bodies are buried.

  46. jferber says:

    This bitch. The f-cking gall. That is no joke, but straight out racism against two babies that are her husband’s grandchildren. She has not changed a whit since her villainous hounding of Diana. And Charles is fine with it ALL. He was no passive party in the Diana tragedy and we will never know all he did or did not do to destroy her. Harry and Meghan need to break ties with all of them (except Eugenie and her family). They are truly evil and that’s not a phrase I use often.

  47. Steph says:

    1. I don’t believe this conversation ever happened. I don’t think a conversation would still be light enough after just telling Harry that Meghan still needs to work and that she won’t get protection for a discussion about what his future family would look like.
    2. If this conversation did happen, I need context. The quote by itself isn’t racist. It’s pretty normal to discuss what a future baby might look like and even more so when it’s mixed race. In the interview they were very particular in their word choice. They said “concerned” not “curious.” Camila seems like a piece of work so it could be either but I need more context.

  48. Puppetgirl says:

    I think William was the one who said the racist comment and he’s trying to detour attention from him to Camilla and maybe his dad

    Christopher Anderson who wrote Brothers and Wife’s (some sort of book about the Cambridges and Sussexes) said it was Charles who made the skin color comment but then it got debunked rebuffed by Clarance House, I wonder if William is throwing the other royals under the bus because it will be revealed in Harry’s memoir that he was the one who questioned Harry’s future children’s skin color

    I think William said something racist about unborn Archie and that triggered Harry and Meghan to leave the UK

    • swirlmamad says:

      I think William is quaking in his boots that Harry will reveal him to be the one who made the comment (or word things in such a way that it will be impossible not to identify William as the culprit). I don’t think Harry will detail things specifically but he certainly may touch more on that incident. William has no idea what Harry will do — and that’s what scares him. Why he keeps poking the hornet’s nest though, I have no idea. It’s almost like he’s daring Harry to out him.

    • Siobhan says:

      Oh I’m sure they’re all quaking in their boots and probably all said inappropriate things at one time or another. I do believe this though – I don’t think William and Harry have been close for a very long time – predating Meghan. I also believe that whatever William may have thought and said to others around him – I think he’s a little more guarded in general. Camilla is I believe the opposite. Irreverent, open, sarcastic, putting her foot in her mouth willingly and just not thinking it’s a big deal and expecting everyone to move on and get over it. I honestly do think that making comments about the skin color of a child and wondering aloud what they might look like, whatever her intentions might have been with a comment like that, have always been the most up her alley more than any other senior royal (and it was always clear it was a senior royal based on Harry and Meghan’s comments re: how much divulging the identity would damage that person). One hundred percent I think they were referring to her, and I think it triggered an even larger rift with Charles as he is now in defense mode protecting Camilla. I really want to be right on this becaue I have been telling everyone since the day after the Oprah interview (even before Prince Philip was in the clear) that’s who my money was on!

      • Becks1 says:

        Nah. It wasn’t an irreverent comment or a joke. Someone had “concerns” about how dark the baby’s skin would be “and what that would mean” and it would be “very damaging to them” if the name of the person was revealed. Camilla’s reputation, even after the charles’ 20 year PR push, is still pretty much in the trash. If it came out that she made the comment, people would shrug and say “of course the 75 year old white british aristocrat is pretty racist” or “that’s just camilla, she’s so irreverent and sarcastic!”

        Do I think Camilla made racist comments that she probably thought were hilarious? Yes. Do I think Camilla is the one they were talking about in the interview? No.

      • swirlmamad says:

        Totally with @Becks1 on this. Yes, it’s 100% plausible that Camilla made the ginger afro comment and more than definitively held prejudiced views and made offensive “jokes”, but she is not the one H&M were referring to in the Oprah interview. By their own words – WILLIAM is the one who would be damaged by it being revealed, not her.

      • aftershocks says:

        @Siobhan: ” I really want to be right on this because I have been telling everyone since the day after the Oprah interview (even before Prince Philip was in the clear) that’s who my money was on!”

        What’s up with betting on this mess, either literally or figuratively? While Camilla certainly could have said things to Charles about M&H’s future children, she is NOT in any position to have ever directly confronted Harry.

        Camilla has no power or leverage to have ever had direct conversations with Harry on matters relating to his children’s possible skin color. Much less would she have any direct control over titles and security protection.

  49. Erika says:

    She’s hideous inside and out!

  50. Bex says:

    That’s funny how he’s like “oh, Harry laughed. He didn’t get mad until Meghan got mad” is the type of BS people always trot out to blame women for decisions men make.

    IF Harry believed it was all jokes, why bring it up to Meghan at all?

    • Amy Bee says:

      Bower doesn’t know that sometimes when people laugh at jokes they do it to avoid conflict. Harry laughed but it’s clear that he was upset about what she said. He just didn’t confront her at that time.

  51. MonicaQ says:

    The rest of his book is made up and while I can believe that, I’m not going to cherry pick and say “This is true” when I don’t believe the other nonsense he’s written.

    Now to I like Camilla? Hell to the no. Wisdom and kindness eludes her in age just like beauty does and in my opinion always has.

    I still think William is the one that said the “holy crap really?” racist stuff discussed in the interview with Oprah and why Harry wouldn’t pee on him if he was on fire.

    • Well Wisher says:

      Thank you for a precise and succinct statement. All the factual evidence points away from Camilla.

  52. Ceej says:

    1. Who on earth believes this man knows “Harry’s version” of anything??

    2. Yeah she probably said it. This is exactly the type of joke to expect from those with good intentions and limited exposure to people of colour. I expect my in-laws to make similar jokes (because the British don’t think racism is anything other than overt and malicious) but I also have a better relationship with them than Camilla does with H&M so while I will side-eye the comments, it’s not going to come across as poorly as whatever she said because they aren’t also leaking stories about me to the press.

    3. The press is desperate for Harry’s book to just mention Camilla so they can finally spill all their tea under the guise that “Harry thinks” and I hope they don’t get the satisfaction.

    4. Everyone knows the person who’s “jokes” were meant to be malicious was William. Stop trying to make fetch happen Bower!

  53. L4Frimaire says:

    Camilla is a vulgar woman. I act think she could have said something like this, whether or not the actual quote is accurate. Note when he claims she said it. When H& M were still dating, before any marriage or pregnancy. There is a clip from a Westminster Abbey service where Camilla is smirking at Kate and rubbing her stomach, within sight of a heavily pregnant Meghan (M is in the white pillbox hat), mocking her. But like Meghan said, there were several conversations so don’t think this is necessarily the royal racist that everyone is trying to find. Here’s the thing, this guys book is so anti-Meghan, so whatever insights he may have is buried under vitriol. He actually said something interesting about the Oceania tour that conveyed the Sussexes frustration, but had it buried in outlandish anecdotes and tried to negatively frame it as being so bad that they dared to be upset at how they were treated. Who knows if this is an actual Camilla quote from a real source or just gleaned from Twitter and gossip. This writer has been so blatant with his motivations to take down Meghan because he considers the Sussexes such a threat to the monarchy. Any legitimate analysis this book might have had is buried in blatant lies and ridiculous distortions.

    • Tessa says:

      Bower is not going to accomplish his goals because imo he is making peoplelike charles,camilla,Kate and will look mean and petty in the process

  54. Rnot says:

    I’m sure Camilla is racist but I don’t believe she’s THE racist.

  55. The real racist is William. That’s why he’s shaking in his boots and will never forgive Harry and Meghan for saying publicly about Archie’s skin color. He knows the dire consequence is the death of the monarchy. He will never become king. Kate is out. Carole to the dogs.

  56. BeanieBean says:

    My god, how they’re still vilifying Meghan. It’s Harry’s memoir, so why would they expect Meghan to influence the ghostwriter? They’re also implying that Harry was ‘just one of us’ & laughed at Camilla’s ‘ginger afro’ comment until mean ol’ Meghan set him straight. Will this guy be embarrassed at all when Harry’s memoir comes out & doesn’t say even half of what he says it will? No, I’m thinking not. Nor will the DM point out all the excerpts that got it wrong.

  57. Janice Hill says:

    I wonder how Camilla would react if Harry or Meghan joked about Camilla’s kids having babies with horse faces, just like their grandmother.

  58. SuzieQ says:

    I’m just enjoying the fact that so many people are like, “Eh, that checks out.” Despite Charles’ efforts, Camilla has a terrible reputation, so true or not, a lot of people — me included — are willing to believe she has said a lot of racist stuff.
    Like others here, however, I don’t think she was the racist to which H&M referred. Camilla’s rep is already in the toilet.

  59. RiaH says:

    I haven’t seen my brother in seven years. We exchange texts of happy birthday / Merry Christmas and when our parents are sick. Have I forgiven him for the things he’s done? Yes because staying angry would give him a place in my heart. Will I let my children around him? Never.

  60. Linda says:

    She proved who she was 40 years ago when she decided to gaslight an 18 year old girl. People can chose to forget what she did to Diana, but she got away with it and I can only imagine what a spite b**** she is behind the scenes.
    Thank God H&M got away from this horrible family.

  61. Mrs.Krabapple says:

    But didn’t William say the family is 100% not racist? What’s funny is that the royal family are an institution built on the inherently racist construct of superior blood. How can they NOT be racist when they believe that?

  62. Kathryn says:

    Yeah agree, think it’s pretty clear William made the skin color comment when you look at who they speak to most to least. The Queen, then a very distant two, Charles, and then to W+K not at all. As an aside, tbh I don’t think Harry and William were ever super close, they seem to have very different personalities and interests and I have yet to see one story about how this rift is all that shocking it’s not like they were best friends.

  63. Mabs A'Mabbin says:

    Wouldn’t it be funny if Camilla was out in public shaking hands and she accidentally shit herself?

  64. Sondra Jackson says:

    Harry is not like “them” so I seriously doubt if his memoir will be all about bashing his family. They want so bad for him to just be miserable and broke, but he is neither. He is happy and very much in love with his wife and two beautiful children. He is also free of that antiquated prison they call the Monarchy. I believe his book will definitely touch on his family, but only so much as it pertains to his life. Harry is above slinging mud unlike his family.

    • Well Wisher says:

      Well said.
      May I add that there is no way can he, having received therapy remain in a place of perpetual bitterness the anathema of healing.
      It is a little bit like religion where one have to focus on clarity and reality, be clear of one’s interpretation of the events that occurred.
      It diverts after the clarity is established to the necessary treatment available for the symptoms like trauma and chemical imbalance in the brain etc.
      Then reconnects in the sharing as of in testimonial-style very much in tuned with a memoir.
      Harry seems results oriented, rather than wallowing in the d’jour dysfunction.
      Hopefully, he continues living his live as he wishes with the perfect understanding that he does not need any one’s permission to be at peace nor having to wait for a normative situation to prevail.

    • Lizzie says:

      Even at Harry’s relatively young age I think his life could fill two or three books and they would be fascinating. I’m hoping this one will be wonderful stories about the people, famous and unknown, who have had the greatest impact on him.

  65. Amy Bee says:

    It’s interesting to see how fast Camilla ran to the press to refute these claims. Yeah, there were several members of the family that were racist, no doubt. But I think when it comes to Camilla, it didn’t just start with Meghan joining the family. I suspect that Camilla ill-treated Harry for a long time. I think Camilla was allowed to be disrespectful to members of the family because she’s married to Charles and that he did nothing to protect Harry from her snide comments and disrespect. This is what Charles fears will come out in the book. Omid says Harry’s not going to attack the family but I think he will tell the truth about what went on and will try to explain why the family behaved the way they did. He mentioned in the Dax Sheppard podcast that he had compassion for his family because of the way they were brought up explained some of their behaviourand I think this will be in the book.

  66. Lizzie says:

    Maybe Camilla should hire someone from Page Six next.

  67. @Princessk says:

    Bower is on record saying that he is out to get Meghan and hopes that she will be destroyed by his grubby little book. Meghan has nothing to fear. Bower has written nasty books about Blair, Corbyn, for which he was sued, Branson and Prince Charles, and all of them survived his malicious intent.
    Bower is a very nasty character through and through. He has many enemies and is gathering more by the day which will be his comeuppance.

  68. Liz says:

    I have relatives who are from Camilla’s generation and this exact same thing happened in my family, When my cousin married her black husband they all wondered (out loud) about afros and skin color. I’m not defending Camila (or my relatives). I just think that the whole generation is racist and they don’t understand that these comments are so hurtful.

  69. Noor says:

    The mud that Tom threw at Prince Harry and Meghan to bring them down, splattered instead on the Queen, a grieving widow saying “Thank Goodness” her granddaughter in law is not at the funeral, and on Camilla, future Queen of UK and the Commonwealth with her joke on ginger afros predictions.

    • Well Wisher says:

      It is digging a pit for one person and..
      Or simply projection from another royal house?

  70. Joan Callas says:

    Camilla’s people have pushed back on this. It sounds like it came from Kensington Palace.

    • Well Wisher says:

      Not unsurprising, the assertion makers no sense. It is not that she could not have said that, but not as a joke to Harry’s face.
      It was inserted for another reason, just like the alleged comment from the Queen and all the Canadian stories.

  71. Alexandria says:

    Anyone read Meghan Misunderstood? If that’s a good book we should buy it to teach these fake writers a lesson. I am already standing by to buy Harry’s book.

    • Well Wisher says:

      I hope this book have a wider audience, Bower’s book is mainly for English consumers. There is fact checking being done in the US. All the Canadian references are twisted and reported as untrue.

    • swirlmamad says:

      I downloaded this on my Kindle last year and really enjoyed it. I thought it gave a fair-minded look into who Meghan the woman was, and really humanized her. I figured it didn’t get much traction as there was a lot of bigger money in trashing M (and still is), but I’m really glad to see it getting a resurgence now that the SS is becoming more aware of it. Push it way out in front of Bowel’s heap of fireplace kindling!

      • Julia K says:

        The big money has always been trashing Meghan . I read this recently( maybe even here) that the destruction of Meghan is a billion dollar business, making a lot of liars a lot of money. It is not going to end soon. There is too much profit at stake to not keep this going.

  72. Tessa says:

    I am horrified at the bower book and the daily fail Diana got the same gaslighting treatment this could all backfire on the royal family

  73. aquarius64 says:

    The push back is strong on Twitter. People are finding multiple discrepancies in this book. An unintended consequence is Kate’s past coming back to haunt her with Marilyn moments, Britney shots, and apparent stumbling out of the club pics. I thought these pics were scrubbed. They have been up on Twitter for also two days. As counter programming a positive book about Meghan called Meghan Misunderstood is being promoted and it’s trending.

    • Laura D says:

      It’s probably just coincidence but, I see Kensington Palace are looking for someone to manage their social media accounts. It will be VERY interesting to see how someone will be able to keep the world updated on Will and Kate’s events with so little material.

  74. Katie Beanstalk says:

    Camilla should write a book. Everyone else is doing it…

  75. Lolo says:

    These are some of the fugliest looking humans alive today— and they look like that with ALL OF THAT MONEY!! They are so jealous of a beautiful, non-inbred woman joining their “family” (whatever floats your boat, you sad incestuous beasts) that they cannot will not shut the f up.

  76. DevinALoveland says:

    Sharon it’s Devin. please baby get a hold of me somehow…