Kay: King Charles is terribly worried about Prince Andrew’s diminished confidence

Everyone has known for weeks that all of these Jeffrey Epstein records would be released at the start of 2024. Even without the records, everyone knew about Prince Andrew’s associations with Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Andrew paid an eight-figure out-of-court settlement to Virginia Giuffre in 2022 because Andrew abused girls and women trafficked to him by Epstein and Maxwell. Even with that knowledge, Queen Elizabeth II and King Charles have done the most to include Andrew, to show their public support for Andrew, to ensure that everyone knows that Andrew is inside the royal tent, unlike Prince Harry. Charles even allowed Andrew and Sarah Ferguson to participate in the church walk in Sandringham on Christmas Day. Well, now questions are being raised about how badly King Charles has f–ked up regarding the “Andrew Problem.” Which is why palace courtiers ran to Richard Kay at the Mail:

Charles the Christian: With the benefit of hindsight would the King have agreed to include Prince Andrew in the Royal Family’s Christmas parade at Sandringham? At the time this fraternal decision seemed a typically Christian one from Charles. Ten days later as toxic new revelations about the Duke of York’s sleazy behaviour emerge from unsealed court documents in New York, the gesture seems not just astounding but possibly unwise. What is all the more baffling is that the royals cannot hide behind the suggestion that they did not know quite how bad the allegations were going to be. The prospect of more sensational claims from the long fall-out from the unsavoury Jeffrey Epstein affair coming to light, had been telegraphed for weeks.

Andrew had been bracing himself for weeks: Andrew himself had been braced for a fresh round of claims for some time and although outwardly bullish in the face of the accusations which include groping a young woman’s breast and taking part in an underage orgy, he has been crushed by the never-ending stories. As one friend of the Duke said: ‘These are not new and are, as they have been in the past, emphatically denied.’ Perhaps the more damaging aspect of the latest disclosures is the growing realisation that Andrew, 64 next month, will never escape the tentacles of this grubby saga. And while his own lingering hopes of rehabilitating his public reputation are surely finally over, the issue for the royals is one of containment.

A risk of backfire: By embracing Andrew as they so overtly did last week, there was always a risk that it could backfire. Friends of the King insist he did not invite his brother to the public element of the Sandringham festivities — the walk to church for the Christmas service — blindly. ‘It would have been easier to have asked him to stay away,’ said one. ‘But if the message of Christmas is anything, it is about family and togetherness. That’s also why he extended the invitation to Fergie as well.’

Charles is concerned about Andrew’s confidence: Another figure says that Charles may have been encouraged to act as he did precisely because he knew what was coming and wanted to throw a protective arm around his brother. ‘He has seen for himself the diminishing effect the allegations have had on the Duke over the years, what they have done to his personality and his confidence,’ the figure said. ‘He is not going to banish his brother; he feels a responsibility for him.’ It was this concern for his mental wellbeing and how tormented he has been that encouraged the King to include Fergie as a thank-you for standing by Andrew.

A promise to QEII: It is also understood that Charles had assured the late Queen that he would look after Andrew. According to one insider it was because of his affection for his brother that the King ventured the idea that he might want to move from Royal Lodge, his vast mansion at Windsor with its costly upkeep, into something smaller and more manageable. ‘He thought it might give him something less to worry about,’ the insider said. Stubbornly Andrew refused. But it has become a touch stone issue — and one, which the Mail reveals today, the King is determined to solve.

Andrew still refuses to give up Royal Lodge: ‘Forcing the Duke to give it up, however well-intentioned, would be seen as the King punishing his brother for something he insists he is innocent of,’ says a friend of Andrew. ‘And anyway he has a lease.’

How could the royals even punish a rapist? It is also hard to see what further sanctions could be taken by the royals against the Prince. He has already lost his private office, his cherished military titles and does not use his HRH style. It is four long years since he last carried out official formal duties and it is highly unlikely that he will ever again climb into the ermine trimmed robes of a Garter Knight or appear on the balcony of Buckingham Palace.

[From The Daily Mail]

“Sleazy behavior” – try criminal behavior, degenerate behavior, predatory behavior. He’s accused of raping teenagers and there are still calls for Andrew to face criminal charges, however much that might undermine his bloody confidence. The fact that Charles and the entire royal establishment believes that they can get away with positioning themselves like this is particularly galling. Oh, Charles is such a Christian, that’s why he wanted to show support for his degenerate rapist brother, you guys! Charles is worried about Andrew’s mental health! It was quite a choice for Charles to include Andrew for the Christmas walk, just as it was a choice to include a Garter-robed Andrew at the coronation, just as it was a choice to walk with Andrew on Easter Sunday. Now Charles has to live with his poor choices and he has to live with the fact that his positioned his reign as one which supports rapists and not survivors, one which supports predators and degenerates but not the girls and women they hurt.

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  1. SarahCS says:

    Oh my, what possible further sanctions could they apply? I don’t know, maybe stop funding his security and lifestyle? They were quick enough to do that to Harry. Is anyone going to mention the vast hypocrisy here???

    • Elizabeth Regina says:

      Tampon chuck is a better brother than he is a father!

      • Yes worries about his brother the pedo’s confidence . Complete and utter failure he is as a father.

      • lulubrown says:

        Charles being a better brother is bullshit. Andrew threatened to spill the beans on Charles and the rest of the royals. Giving more truth to Harry’s book and having all the royal ass-kissers having to eat crow. I would not be surprise if Charles was not one of the names redacted. Because the accusers mentioned another Prince, but the name was blacked out.

        Charles doesn’t make any moves unless it benefits him and his concubine. Andrew is more threatening than Harry. Harry didn’t go in on them as he could have, but at this point, Andrew has nothing else to lose, and Charles knows this.

      • Amy Bee says:

        @lulubrown: Andrew has made no such threats. He has remained loyal to family unlike Harry. That’s why he’s been allowed to maintain his lifestyle.

      • sevenblue says:

        @Amy Bee, Andrew stayed loyal because they always protected his ass. They said to Meghan they will protect her, but chose not to while doing everything they can to throw Meghan under the bus whenever an Andrew article is published. Also, Andrew threatened them through press, he was considering writing a book like Harry if they stopped funding him. That was the clear threat. We know Harry chose to cut a lot of pages from his book, Andrew made it clear he wouldn’t.

      • lulubrown says:

        According to the Daily Beast and OK Magazine back in March, he threatened to do so if Charles kicked him out of the royal lodge. Since everyone is OK with repeating tabloid gossip. In my opinion, I believe it. Charles rescinded on kicking him out and giving him Frogmore. None of us know what is going on or what’s true or not. We are all pretty much speculating.

      • Caribbean says:

        Correct me if I am wrong…but I remember Harry & Meghan’s protection and (little) funding was cut off BEFORE they even said a word…there was no book, no Netflix, no Spotify.
        And then they had nothing…Nothing…which meant they only had Meghan’s money (which would not have last 2 years because they had to pay for security) as Charles still controlled Harry’s money, right?
        So, they did not show any ‘disloyalty’ (smh at that, if they were treated well, that what they would have said, they literally spoke about their experiences) before they were punished…

      • Megan@iop.com says:

        @Carribean Harry inherited $10million from his mother and at least $3 million from the Queen Mum. They had the means to pay for security for years.

      • Saucy&Sassy says:

        Megan@iop.com, Harry has stated in the past that the Queen Mum did not leave him anything. He had the money his Mom left him, and he likely had the ability to use that without restriction–I can’t remember what the terms of the trust was.

      • Becks1 says:

        Harry said in Spare that he did have the money from his mother, but he viewed that as for his children, not for something like ongoing security costs, but he would have used it if they had to. But I think he also said that at their current level of security, they would have gone through that money very quickly. 24/7 bodyguards with the background some of theirs seem to have are not cheap.

        His spokesperson has confirmed that he did not receive money from the QM.

      • Pajala says:

        except that I’m sure it’s only because Andrew has so much dirt on him. I was so naive to think anyone in this family ever had the slightest tinge of decency

      • Kathleen Williams says:

        Charles need not worry about Randy Andy’s confidence. Did anyone note the arrogance and disdain with which he treated the small crowd of sycophantic idiots who lined up to watch these predators walk from church?

    • ML says:

      Ugh, Kay is preposterous! Maybe instead of focusing on what KC and family have been and are doing, Focus On What Andrew Has Done. Continuously! The BM is absolutely capable of reporting on this and has not been. Andrew is a sex offender and he is in a position of incredible privilege and power, and Kay’s profession has helped provide Paedrew with protection.

    • swaz says:

      Guys, it’s being written like that so the public can drag Harry’s name into it because they can’t, and it seems to be working 🙄🙄🙄 I don’t know why people think that these journalist are clueless 🙄🙄🙄this is the easiest trick to pull.

    • Ellie says:

      What a disgusting family. Harry falls in love with a mixed race woman and they are out, treated deplorably and Andrew rapes young girls and they protect him. Unbelievable !

  2. LaraK says:

    This is because, deep down, the Royal institution still believes that Andrew was entitled to everything he did. Those girls are not Royal and therefore are less deserving of protection.

    They really see this as sleazy, as Andrew sullying himself by going into this commoner world. They genuinely believe that the girls he assaulted were somehow at fault for being targeted, by being commoners, at risk, poor.

    And this is why I hate Royal institutions. They make these people believe deep in their souls that they are special. It’s revolting.

    • Maxine Branch says:

      Nailed

    • MoBiMom says:

      This tendency to view debauched and/or criminal behavior as idiosyncrasy seems to be a long-standing tradition, not just in the RF. but across the aristocracy. Revolting is the perfect word!

    • Becks1 says:

      Exactly. And not only are they less deserving of protection, there’s probably a sense that a victim like Virginia G. was “lucky” that Andrew was interested in her. So there’s no need for them to be protected because poor Andrew, what can he do when girls just throw themselves at him????

      It’s gross, and revolting, but I don’t think that perception of Virginia and the other victims is going to change when the royals are so entitled and so convinced of their own superiority.

      • Laura D says:

        I wouldn’t have a problem if she “willingly” threw herself at him but, the point the BRF and the RRs keeps missing is that she was trafficked and forced to have sex with him. I don’t care if she’s 16 or 60 if she’s not a willing participant then it’s rape.

      • Becks1 says:

        @LauraD exactly, there is no consent when someone is a victim of trafficking. And that’s without even getting into the ages of the victims involved.

      • Moira's Rose's Garden says:

        @Laura D Even if she “willingly” threw herself at him she’s a minor and he’s an adult. It would still be rape.

      • Giddy says:

        @Becks1, I agree that the Royals attitude would have been that Virginia was “lucky” that Andrew was interested in her. Why lucky? Because they would have considered her to be so far below them in social status, and very low class. They would have dismissed the rape as they can’t conceive of a lower class girl who wasn’t honored to be chosen by Andrew. They thought of her as a Nobody, therefore she had no ideals or restrictions on her behavior. Yep. She was lucky to be assaulted, lucky to be raped, lucky to need years of therapy to just go on with her life.

    • Robert Phillips says:

      I think Charles if finally starting to understand that the Royal family has no power. That people aren’t just bowing down to him like he thinks they should. And that the rest of the world doesn’t really care what England thinks anymore. All he ever saw was the way everyone treated his mom. And that was just because she was old and had seemed to always be there. And he thought that was how it would be for him. People remember how he treated Diana. And that is the only reason he clings to Camilla. He doesn’t really love her. They don’t even live together. He just got a thrashing because of Diana’s death. And he thought and probably still thinks that him marrying Camilla and the PR they push makes him look better. It doesn’t.

      • lulubrown says:

        This is the comment of the day for me. You hit the nail on the head.

      • Gabby says:

        100%

      • kirk says:

        Looks to me like Chuck had the power to take his son’s house away and appropriate all H-M’s improvements and prepaid rent. Chuck powerfully took away Harry’s security in 2020 in Canada. Pretty sure we’ll find out Chuck is the power behind the move to withhold any and all security or cooperation for H’s security in UK. Chuck continues to hold monarch right of consent for legislation in UK. Chuck has the power to run the Duchy of Lancaster however he wants — most people can’t even figure out the legal intricacies or finances of those Duchies. If I were the Republic guy, I’d start by chipping away at those Duchies.

    • Josephine says:

      yes to all of this. if you support the royal family, you are just like all of the people who looked the other way in the world’s many travesties over the years. they are being very clear about who they are and what they think of everyone who is not royal, and so many people are still bowing at their feet. wake up.

      • Christine says:

        Agreed, Josephine. It’s infuriating that they keep spouting that Pedo denies any wrongdoing, and apparently people are buying it in England. No one pays an eight figure settlement to avoid a trial if they are innocent. Who in the actual fuck thinks that makes sense?

      • Cassie says:

        Josephine I agree with every word you say .
        I will never understand why people worship this depraved family .

    • Tina says:

      And I’m guessing a good chunk of the royal men have also done things like this. They are raised to believe they are entitled to anything it’s not a stretch to think others would have behaved the same way.

    • ChattyCath says:

      Exactly. Commoners are expendable trash

    • Ellie says:

      I think you are right. You nailed it with ‘entitlement ‘. They are all the same. Look how Beatrice being instrumental in dissolving the mother of Wolfie. They changed it up to say they had known each other for years. As for me, I don’t watch our American Soaps but look forward to the ongoing saga of the British royal family. Hm what’s next?

  3. seaflower says:

    What happened to those PR guru’s Chuck and Normal Bill hired?

    • Jay says:

      I think this is them at work! This is the best they have come up with – oh, how he’s suffered, and the poor little man has lost his confidence? Dear me! And a “promise” to the still popular QEII to protect Andrew, as though Charles would do anything differently – he’s protecting himself just as much.

      • seaflower says:

        I’d be sacking them and finding someone else, stat!

      • First comment says:

        That and the insistence that this is old news 😡

      • Megan says:

        The royals lack of PR instincts is quite remarkable. The queen is dead. Charles can do whatever he wants and he chooses to stand by his rapist brother. He should own that decision instead of trying to blame his dead mother.

    • Gabby says:

      The royals lowballed them on the PR fees, so they are giving them what they paid for.

  4. Mslove says:

    Chuck is a Christian? Lol, he is aiding and abetting a pedo.

    • Chloe says:

      Lucky for them they are amongst their peers as the church themselves aren’t too unfamiliar with feeling up children.

    • Flowerlake says:

      Not the first (or second or even millionth) time that someone hides behind Christianity when doing wrong.

      Always a sign that someone is in deep shit.

  5. Chloe says:

    If Charles wants to throw a protective arms over Andrew and unleash criticism upon the monarchy and himself then I am all for that.

    Show this hypocritical institution exactly for what it is

    • Eurydice says:

      Yes, please – he should keep piling on the hypocrisy and vindictiveness and pettiness and jealousy and just plain bad judgement. The stench will follow him everywhere.

    • MF says:

      Yup. Not only does this reveal how vile the institution (and Charles) is, it also shows how Chuck thinks he can PR his way out of this crisis.

      At a certain point, no amount of public appearances or “never complain, never explain” reactions will save the RF’s reputation for siding with a rapist.

    • Christine says:

      Well said. Keep it going, Chuck, throw a protective arm around your rapist brother, in your “typical Christian” way! There is absolutely no chance it will backfire on you.

  6. Thena says:

    How else could they punish Andrew? I mean, King Felipe of Spain took away his sister’s ducal titles for much less than what Andrew is accused of, and she now lives outside of Spain where she can’t attend family events.

    I’ve always said that the best thing for Andrew was for him to leave the country and move to Switzerland. Instead, he keeps popping up at all these “family” occasions and getting photographed beside the late queen and her successor.

    • Danbury says:

      We don’t want him in Switzerland thank you very much!

      • Thena says:

        Can’t blame you! Besides, he “bought” a ski lodge but never paid for it, so he lost it. Maybe his friends in Kazakhstan can find him a nice place in a former Soviet republic.

      • Flowerlake says:

        I very much doubt most of Kazakhstan wants him either.

        Please note that they’re not as unconditionally in Putin’s pocket as let’s say Lukashenko in Belarus (even though many people in Belarus also protested against his rule and there are lots of political prisoners in jail in Belarus).

        They have sent aid to Ukraine, restrict some exports to Russia and many people in Kazakhstan are weary of Russia’s belligerence.

        Just wanting to emphasize that being a former Soviet Republic doesn’t mean everyone loves Putin or other shady characters. It’s not an attack on you 🙂

      • Megan says:

        Part of the problem is what to do with him. Maybe they can build a wall around the royal lodge where no one goes in and no one comes out.

    • Jay says:

      That’s the thing, making another country deal with Andrew seems cruel (to the public) and unwise. But the Tower of London is still there, right?

      • Flowerlake says:

        Sorry, Jay, but the ghosts of Anne Boleyn and Jane Grey don’t want him there either.

      • ThatsNotOkay says:

        @Flowerlake A+ Lol!

      • Couch Potato says:

        LOL @Flowerlake! The queen’s ghosts might’ve had some fun with it. They could’ve sendt the ghost of the polar bear after him.

      • Lara (the other) says:

        How about one of those mouldy dwellings terrible landlords are renting out in London and let him life on actual welfare.

      • FlamingHotCheetos2021 says:

        No, that’s where they have the Crown Jewels on display. Don’t want Andrew getting any ideas…

  7. First comment says:

    Andrew has definitely something huge on Charles!!! That’s my take on all this…spare me from rubbish such as “the message of Christmas is anything, it is about family and togetherness” , Christian (lol) Charles doesn’t care about family….he punished his own son for being married to a black woman and for being more popular than him…

    • Tessa says:

      And look how he treated his first wife
      . He is no Christian he is a hypocrite

    • Becks1 says:

      I think Andrew has dirt on Charles AND William, so the royal institution protects him.

      But, Harry knows all the dirt too, and they didn’t protect him. Maybe they knew there was a line Harry wouldn’t cross?

      • First comment says:

        Obviously, he does know some things…he has 400 more pages for spare that weren’t included…. but I doubt he knows all the debauchery they practice…he was in the army for several years and wasn’t really close to his brother or even his father…

      • Digital Unicorn says:

        Yep and I am beginning to think that the ‘make your eyes bleed’ comment about William’s shenanigans is about his predilections which are likely in the same vein as his Uncle Andrews. Remember that story that William was allegedly into the Norfolk dogging scene – to me thats just the tip of the iceberg.

        Peggy to me is another Trump type – both are stupid and protected. Both are violent and have been since childhood. I could go on with the similarities.

      • lulubrown says:

        He does and that’s why Charles backed down with kicking him out of Royal Lodge and still funding his security.

      • Tina says:

        I do think Harry has the tea on William but held back out of concern for the impact on Williams’s kids and his general (misguided) loyalty to the monarchy. He might know some things about Charles’s generations and their various misdeeds but I think that Andrew has 50+ years of stories on various members of the family (including his parents) that would be very embarassing. We know there were many affairs, probably illegitimate children, financial shadiness and probably some actual crimes. Considering some of the people in their orbit (Saville etc) theres definitely some awful stuff.

      • jemmy says:

        The Palace may seem to still support Prince Andrew because they feel the British Press / people “forced ” Andrew to divorce Fergie in 1996 despite the fact that behind close doors hey were still a couple and had much love for each other. Being divorced meant he had more time on this hands and led up to him linking up with Epstein. So may in some way they feel bad for pushing Andrew into this mess.

    • Harper says:

      I think Andrew will blow up the Wales’ marriage secrets if pushed too far. Also, big tell in the Kay article is the mention of the lease. There is no easy option today for evicting Andrew that was not present earlier in the year. It’s all bluster while the Epstein list is making headlines. They are counting on different headlines next week. Plus Golden Globes this weekend. Look for a hundred articles about Meghan attending as a diversion.

      • Flower says:

        No one cares about a failing Royal Marriage in the grand scheme of things.

        What ever Andy has is MUCH bigger.

        I do wonder however what the tipping point would be?

      • Harper says:

        I disagree that no one cares about a failing royal marriage. William’s family man image currently is the grand scheme of things for bringing the monarchy into the next generation. The narrative they are going with is that he is the anti-CRex, stable and dedicated to his family. Look at every profile of Burger King written by the rota and this is their primary selling point. Especially as William’s work ethic is factually below other working royals and his social initiatives are all DOA.

        Disentangling himself from his marriage to Kate will take skill and the delicate weaving of a narrative that they would not want Andrew to blow up.

    • Amy Bee says:

      You all don’t get it, this has nothing to do with Andrew having any dirt on the family. It has to do with loyalty. Andrew has shown his loyalty to the family by not spilling the beans and that’s why he is being protected, plus the fact that the family doesn’t believe he did anything wrong.

      • Eurydice says:

        I agree. Casting the RF as victims of blackmail, just makes them seem more human than they are. The fact is that the RF has a millennium-long history of being inhuman – literally inhuman, as in they don’t think human rules apply to them. They have their own set of internal rules – Andrew abides by them, Harry did not.

      • ML says:

        ITA Amy Bee and Eurydice. Paedrew has proven loyal to the firm whereas H was not. That is why PA enjoys their protection. More than any secrets he could possibly be paid to tell. As long as he continues his fealty, the BRF will continue to bankroll him and fluff up his image.

      • ThatsNotOkay says:

        Please explain why Harry was essentially kicked out of the family before he filed the lawsuit naming that William associate as a leaker and had his and his family’s security pulled, if this is about loyalty? I don’t think it’s as black and white as you’re doubling down on.

      • Tina says:

        Didn’t he threaten to write a tell all? That came out from a ‘source’ close to him when the rumors about Royal Lodge started. Then it was announced that he would stay at royal lodge. Honestly I hope he ends o writing that tell all cuz he knows where the bodies are buried (probably literally).

      • Eurydice says:

        @ThatsNotOkay – just wanting to leave the RF is disloyal. Supporting his wife over the RF is disloyal. Not taking abuse lying down is disloyal. I’m not saying any of this makes sense, because the whole concept of monarchy doesn’t make sense – but it’s about who plays the game, who kisses ass and who is willing to live in this transactional organization. The most dangerous person to the monarchy is the man with personal morals.

        Yes, there are all sorts of secondary things going on, jealousies and threats and rivalries, and betrayals, but they’re all about how to get ahead in the institution – how to be the favorite and gain the protection of whoever is higher up, how to be a “loyal subject.”

      • Jaded says:

        And that’s why Fergie has managed to grasp onto whatever tenuous relationship she’s had with the BRF because she has been Andrew’s main cheerleader — “the kindest man she’s ever known” — and that is why she’s allowed free room and board at Royal Lodge, the Christmas church walk and endless fawning sound bites about what a great person he is. I’ve always wondered, since the whole Epstein/Maxwell news broke, how deeply Fergie was involved with them? Yes, she borrowed money from him, and likely didn’t pay it back, but she HAD to know what was going on at some level….amirite?

      • Becks1 says:

        But those are the same things, you’re just wording it in a different way.

        @AmyBee said – ” Andrew has shown his loyalty to the family by not spilling the beans and that’s why he is being protected.”

        That’s not so different from what others in this thread are saying – that Charles is protecting Andrew because he’s afraid of Andrew spilling those beans. It’s just a different way of looking at it – he doesn’t want Andrew spilling what he knows so he’s going to try to keep Andrew as happy as possible, whether its a reward or a bribe.

      • Kit says:

        Hahaha. Loyalty vs. blackmail. Hmmm. I’m dizzy from the spinning.

        Ultimately, it doesn’t matter if it’s loyalty vs. blackmail. This is about exploitation which looking at their 1000 years history, it’s part of the BRF special DNA.

        Trafficked underage girls isn’t the problem for the royals. Common laws don’t apply here.

        The only thing these royals care about is public opinion. And well, the money. At the end of the day, they are very human and the more that has been given to them, the more nasty they are about keeping their goodies.

      • jemmy says:

        Fergie has been around the royal family ALL of her life – since she was 8-10 years old She literally grew up with Andrew. Her Father was a Horse Racing manager for QEII

    • Mary Pester says:

      @FIRSTCOMMENT, yes he does have something very big on Charlie, and it starts and ends in Paris!!!

    • MF says:

      Agree. I don’t believe Charles gives a flying f*ck about Andrew. He does care about his reputation and the reputation of the throne, and it makes sense that Andrew would know where the bodies are buried. So now Chuck has no choice but to protect Andrew if he wants to protect himself.

      This, btw, is what happens when an alleged public servant doesn’t live a life worthy of their office. Their misdeeds spiral into corruption.

      • LuLubrown says:

        Exactly, I guess some forgot about Prince Andrew trying to kick Prince WIlliams ass but instead he kicked Prince williams Aids ass because he tried to come in between them. When Andrew was asked about it, he didn’t deny it. this was back in 2020-21. That also got swept under the rugs fast after his threats. William ass fell in line real quick.

    • HuffnPuff says:

      Andrew definitely has receipts that Harry doesn’t have. Watching the RF prance around as if everyone still believes they are appointed by God reminds me of the scene in the Wizard of Oz where Toto exposes “the wizard”. We all know what’s going on here. This family/institution is a joke and no one should be supporting them or bowing down to them.

    • TybeeLucille says:

      Tampon was in the papers also but redacted. They should release ALL the names so the world can know who the pedos are.

  8. Tessa says:

    Charles evicted his son daughter in law and small children from their home and has the gall to say he practices Christian behavior. He does not care about the trafficked girls and just wants to rebuild Andrews confidence. The monarchy needs to be abolished

    • Miranda says:

      Right? I mean, even the stingy Bethlehem innkeeper at least allowed Mary and Joseph to use his f–king barn.

    • Lady D says:

      I seriously doubt Charles gives a flying fig about Andrew’s self confidence. He just wants him to shut up. Andrew should maybe avoid hunting trips with his brother.

      • Harper says:

        @Lady D I agree that the next step may be to shut Andrew up, but it wouldn’t be Charles with the rifle on the hunting trip. Misfiring is a job for the Duchess of Edinburgh, who is their useful stooge when mishaps and accidents need covering up.

  9. Harla A Brazen Hussy says:

    Where are Charles’ “Christian” feelings about his youngest son and daughter in law? Where’s his concern about their “confidence” and “mental health”??? I just can’t with this man and I hope that the British public can’t either.

    • First comment says:

      Where are his Cristian feelings for those girls/ children that were raped? He’s as despicable as his brother…

  10. Ariel says:

    “He has a lease” 🤪
    I love how they say all this straight faced- ignoring the treatment of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.
    Charles is a Christian- he forgives – isn’t that wonderful.

    I guess in the uk where there is no real journalism – just palace pr- they don’t worry about the GLARING hypocrisy- and the weighting of Harry’s crimes – marrying a black woman, not letting the institution abuse and gaslight them – as heavier than Andrew’s child sex trafficking guilt

    It’s not like Andrew’s victims were royal or aristo- so they don’t matter.

    So very gross

  11. Miranda says:

    I think the most grotesque thing about all the family support for Paedrew is this: We all know just how deeply dysfunctional the RF is and has always been. We all know they’re an incredibly jealous bunch and none of them can bear to share the spotlight with a sibling or even a son. We all know that they will turn on each other at the drop of a hat, and sell each other out. They will allow dangerous lies to spread, and quite often they actively invent those lies themselves. They will throw a son and his wife and their babies, against whom there are known serious threats, out on their asses and force them to rely on the kindness of a stranger for protection. This family is fucked up beyond all comprehension. Most of them cannot stand to be around each other…until one of them commits what is arguably the most vile crime of all. Suddenly. they close ranks and fret and wring their hands over the wellbeing of a disgusting, remorseless, oxygen-wasting piece of shit who rapes children.

    Abolishment doesn’t go far enough. To the silence mill with all of them.

  12. Hannah says:

    From Kaiser:

    “… he has to live with the fact that he’s positioned his reign as one which supports rapists and not survivors, one which supports predators and degenerates but not the girls and women they hurt.“

    Isn’t *his* side piece an allegedly huge advocate / activist AGAINST female victims and survivors of abuse, assault and violence?

    • seaflower says:

      Everything they all do is performative. Camz doesn’t care about female victims/survivors of abuse, assault and violence – it’s just something to tick the box to make them look good.

    • Brassy Rebel says:

      Since the article admits that Charles’ handling of this issue has not been wise, we can now give him the appropriate title—Charles the Unwise.

    • Gabby says:

      Hannah and Seaflower, you bring up an excellent point with Camilla’s advocacy regarding violence against women. Regardless of whether it’s performative or she buys into it, Charles’ protection of Andrew really sabotages Camilla’s credibility here. That will anger her deeply and he will be made to pay.

      • Lady D says:

        I seriously doubt she cares in the least. Honestly, I’m not trying to be contrary, I sincerely doubts she cares about anything other than her (not Charles) family. She’s set for life and like the rest of them, doesn’t have to care.

      • Christine says:

        Agreed, Lady D. It’s like Kitty and the performative caring about the arly years.

    • Jaded says:

      Yes, and didn’t Camilla’s support and advocacy work so well with Ngozi Fulani. After the shocking treatment from Susan Hussey and Ngozi going public with it, her work with Sistah Space was suspended for supposed “financial improprieties” and they had to shut it down for a while. I don’t know if it’s managed to get back on its feet but Ngozi paid for her telling truth to power with her career and reputation.

      • PrincessK says:

        I know. The way Ngozi Fulani was brought down was despicable. Meanwhile Hussey is back in the fold carrying on as though nothing happened.
        Criticising anything to do with the RF can be dangerous….

  13. Anonymous says:

    This article reveals the immorality, racism and hypocrisy of the British media, British Royal Family and the British society.
    The sympathetic tone and care for which Andrew is written about, reveals the absolute coordination in the attacks against Meghan, with Harry as a convenient collateral damage.
    No one, has ever worried about Meghan’s diminished confidence or mental health. Yet this man is keeping Charles awake at night?
    That country, its media and leadership is despicable.

  14. Laura D says:

    Un-f**king-believable! KCIII is more worried about his brother’s diminished confidence at being outted as a sexual predator but, was happy about Harry being killed because it wouldn’t have much of an affect with the public! What kind of twisted logic is that? The only thing I can come up with is given the flack KCIII constantly receives about his lack of compassion and forgiveness towards his youngest son. KCIII was trying to portray the “look I’m a good guy really” image, in the hope people would forget how awful he is towards Harry and his family.

  15. Maxine Branch says:

    @larak nailed it. #ThatFamily,” ties with pedophiles goes deep. For them what the sexual deviant Andrew did is nothing because the young women were nothing. The only difference is now with social media it is no longer hidden and the world sees him for what he is, a rapist, and pedophile. All those folks are concerned about is optics, not his deeds or the victims, just how this is reflected on the monarchy. Their attitude reflects they are not living or thinking in the 21st century and this will assist in their downfall.

  16. Tessa says:

    Charles would not even attend the christening of his youngest grandchild. Lily. Or bother to travel to the USA to visit his second son daughter and two grandchildren. He must fret about Andrew and even brings in Andrew s ex wife to show family unity. Charles is so ghastly

  17. Sophie says:

    Out of all this drivel, the only thing I believe is true is that “the royals cannot hide behind the suggestion that they did not know quite how bad the allegations were going to be.” They knew, and the only thing they did was to show a united front by inviting that man at church, which is a sacrilege by itself! They just don’t care atp, because no one is pointing fingers. If there was sufficient pressure (either from the government or the opposition or the media or the society), they would be forced to react, but now, no!

    • Laura D says:

      As leader of the opposition he doesn’t carry much weight but, Keir Starmer said on the radio this morning, if the evidence is there, then it should be investigated. Starmer has made reducing violence against women and girls one of his major polices pledges if he gets into power. So, he might be able to put pressure on the Home Secretary to investigate the allegations (again). Let’s not forget the last time the Met investigated Andrew they said there was nothing there and closed the file.

      • Sophie says:

        Yeah, I’m not holding much hope that Keir Starmer will do anything when in government, as he has reneged on other pledges too. I’ll have to see it to believe it!

  18. Brassy Rebel says:

    “And anyway he has a lease.” Tell that to Harry and Meghan who, along with Charles’ grandchildren, were summarily evicted from Frogmore where they had a lease. And absolutely no one is worried about their confidence. Smh.

  19. Becks1 says:

    So Charles can forgive Andrew and extend public support and privileges to him (like keeping his house, like the christmas walk, royal protection) because he only……sexually assaulted trafficking victims…..

    but he cannot bring himself to forgive his younger son or to extend public support or privileges to him (cough royal protection) because he…..*checks notes*….defended himself and his wife against an abusive and racist press campaign enabled and encouraged by the royals.

    Yeah, that makes sense.

  20. Mario says:

    Uh, if KFC couldn’t be bothered to prioritize or consider the “mental health,” or respect the existing lease held by his own son (the one he was closer to!) as a father, Christian or otherwise, I guarantee you those aren’t considerations for KFC now, as brother.

    Same with the “he’s respecting QEII’s wishes/he promised his mother” bit…we know how QEII felt about Harry and Meghan and what her wishes were and Charles has no issue urinating all over them, metaphorically.

    The deference and accommodation given Andrew (who would be living in silent luxury with Fergie in France or someplace in any other scenario) is a deal with the devil to protect Charles and/or the BRF in general. Period.

  21. Amy Bee says:

    All this handwringing by the press and the Palace is performative. In their eyes, Andrew did nothing wrong and he’s being blackmailed by these “prostitutes” as Camilla Tominey described Virginia in one of her screeds. Charles is hoping that the interest in the list will die down and Andrew will be able to continue to live his life as does at present. It’s interesting that the family and press can forgive Andrew for his criminal behaviour but can’t do the same for Harry and Meghan who’s only crime was refusing to be abused by the royal system and the press.

    • ChattyCath says:

      Prostitutes are human beings too! I get so mad when anyone treats these women as lesser and available to abuse and possibly murder. And Maxwell and Epstein are pimps.

    • kirk says:

      Camilla Tominey, who’s tasked with giving BRFCo verbal blow jobs on the daily, called a trafficked underage girl a prostitute? 🤮 Yuck!!! Is she still harassing Montecito civil servants? Would hope they’ve blocked her & the rest of her BRFCo Associates by now.

  22. Oswin says:

    “And anyway, he has a lease.”

    So did Harry and Meghan, and that didn’t even put a pause in Chuckles evicting them.

  23. SueBarbri33 says:

    Their supporters are now saying that KCIII didn’t want to keep Andrew from his family on Christmas. But I’m confused–don’t we always hear about the elaborate royal Christmas holidays featuring multiple meals and traditions and ibble dibble and everything else? Those activities take place out of sight of the public. Andrew could still participate in all of those things without also parading in front of the public for the ten minute walk to church. Come on.

  24. Mary Pester says:

    Oh my good god, there should be dead canaries everywhere with the amount of gaslighting in this load of drivel.
    Charlie is worried about Andrew the pervs mental health? What about his VICTIMS mental health, because that’s what they are, his VICTIMS, and what about their families who are reading this sht. And his confidence, there is fk all wrong with his confidence. He is a strutting peacock.
    But what about your daughter in laws mental health Charlie you sht, what about her confidence? What about your sons mental health? What about the fact that you snatched away THEIR home that they had a bloody lease on, and what about the security of your son and his family that you snatched away you poor excuse for a man? Because while you are briefing your tame little toads about “poor” Andrew. Two white supremacists who wanted to kill Megan and Archie because of their race and called them abominations, AND said your son should be executed as a traitor to his race and called for it to be done, were sentences to 10 and 11 years today, so where is the press screaming about that.

    • MoxyLady007 no says:

      Holy hell. What’s this about people threatening Meghan and Harry and their kids???? Enough to get prison sentences????

      In the USA we don’t even hand out sentences like that to violent rapists. Which should be weird considering we have 25% of the worlds prison population. But we don’t even run our rape kits. Just let them molder and rot in warehouses by the thousands. And private citizens raise money for them to be processed.

      • Mary Pester says:

        @moxilady, They are called Gibbons who got 10 years and Patton Walshe who got 11. They were white supremacists who had a podcast and were trying to cause race wars as well. Two vile disgusting men who deserve all they get, it was a very small peice in the Daily Mirror today!!

    • MoxyLady007 says:

      Thank you!!!

  25. Lau says:

    “It is also hard to see what further sanctions could be taken by the royals against the Prince”, I don’t know prison maybe ?
    Also Charles’ concern for someone’s mental wellbeing seems very selective.

    • georgevna says:

      But… he won’t get to wear velvet and ermine again!!! 😱😱😱 (jk, he’ll be in Garter Robes again inside 18 months, don’t worry!)

  26. Jais says:

    I’ve barely been able to comment about this bc it’s just so so…ugh I don’t even know what to say. It’s just deeply disturbing. Scotland Yard needs to haul Andrew in and question him. He needs to answer the FBI’s questions. Not saying its going to happen. Charles pays for Andrew’s security while doing everything to keep it from his son. And his son’s grandchildren. So miss me with all this family togetherness at Christmas crap.

  27. Gabby says:

    King Tampon isn’t worried about anyone’s mental health, nor is he magnanimously protecting his brother. Charles has been jealous of Andrew forever, since Andrew received all the parental affection that was denied him.

    The recent embracing and protection of Andrew is likely based upon some combination of trying to keep Andrew from releasing compromising information he almost certainly has on C&C, while publicly trying to make Harry jealous – “look, this could be you walking with us to church on Christmas” – in which the entire royal family did function as animals in a zoo. Harry of course is laughing his ass off in Montecito, while simultaneously pitying his “father”.

    King Tampon’s reign is starting to look as good as his teeth.

  28. @BelizeEmpower says:

    So the mighty King feels responsibility for his brother but not his son, Harry, ‘He is not going to banish his brother; he feels a responsibility for him.’

    Speaking of Andrew’s Lodge…‘Forcing the Duke to give it up, however well-intentioned, would be seen as the King punishing his brother for something he insists he is innocent of,’ says a friend of Andrew. But evicting his son from Frogmore, which provided him security, was so much easier while paying 3 mil pouncs for Andrew’s security. Make this make sense.

  29. B says:

    To Christian to hold your brother accountable for predatory and criminal behavior but not to Christian to evict your younger son and his family from the home your mother gave them because he wrote a memoir.

    The Church of England produces the kind of Christians you would expect from an organization that was founded by a cheating man who wanted to divorce his wife to marry his mistress and then went on to kill several of his later wives.

  30. Mary Pester says:

    @KAISER, I know you are really busy, but check out the bullsht story on line from the mirror, that says how Charlie is having back door negotiations with Harry to try and bring him and Megan home.

  31. Cersi says:

    I wonder why he has no concern for his son Harry who committed no crimes? I think he’s more concerned that Andrew may spill more family secrets if pressed. Andrew knows where all of the family skeletons lie. If only someone could get him to write a book.

  32. Chelsea says:

     ” it is highly unlikely that he will ever again climb into the ermine trimmed robes of a Garter Knight”

    Um, wasn’t he just in these robes at Charles’ coronation a few months ago despite the fact that he had to pay off an Epstein accuser a couple of years ago and hasn’t been a ‘working royal’ for years? And please do tell: if Harry could be evicted from the house he paid millions to renovate that he had a lease on why exactly would it be seen as an admission of guilt for the same to be done to Andrew?

    They keep telling us that no Charles isnt a cruel dog***t father and grandpa; Harry’s family had to be evicted because he’s no longer a working royal’. So why can’t Andrew be evicted? Is it because ye knows too much and they’re afraid of him or is it because Charles is a POS obsessed with punishing his son for choosing to protect his mixed race family? Porque no los dos I guess

    • roooth says:

      Chuck is a petty sadistic malignant jealous prick. He kept Harry from Liz’s deathbed and snatched Liz’s gift of Frogmore away from Harry as soon after Liz’s death as he could because he was always jealous of Liz and Harry’s obvious affection for each other. Like Diana, Harry has always been more popular than his dogsh*t father, even Chuck’s mother liked Harry more. Chuck has done everything he can to punish Harry for being a better human than he is.

  33. Blubb says:

    Reading this I just want to vomit. Nothing about this king is Christian. A protective arm around the rapist brother, but to hell with the ex-wife, who could spent her last Christmas alone, and the son and his family. Their mistake just was and is to have ever met this king.

    • Justjj says:

      I am shocked how many people I know still defend this family and their legacy. Seriously, may the Andrew thing be the thread that unravels the whole BRF sweater in the court of public opinion and beyond. By the sounds of it, they not only had an inkling they let Jeffrey Epstein himself hang around for years… wtf. Burn it all to the ground, Harry and Meg.

  34. QuiteContrary says:

    The royals and the royal rota act as if this all happened TO Andrew … as if he just fell on a trafficked child and raped her because he had no other choice.

    Epstein catered to Andrew and Andrew likely committed crimes because he believed this was all his due as a prince.

    Burn it down. Burn it all down.

    • kelleybelle says:

      Epstein catered to Andrew because he knew he wasn’t that bright and wanted British military secrets to sell to the Israelis. That’s what Epstein was after. Poor dull Andrew though … “Jeffrey is my friend.”

    • Proud Mary says:

      You are so right, QuiteContrary, about Andrew being afforded victim status, when he’s the abject abuser of children. Charles is suddenly concerned about an adult’s mental health; far be it from him to have been concerned about his pregnant daughter-in-law’s mental health when she was being tormented by the British media. I truly believe that neither Charles, nor his mother perceived that what Andrew did was wrong. That is the character of that disgusting family. Not one ounce of empathy will ever flow from them to Andrew’s victims; because to them, the worst thing that’s happened, is not that children were raped, but that poor Andrew has lost his confidence. I thank God for the Sussexes having the courage to leave.

  35. L4Frimaire says:

    Andrew should have been criminally prosecuted years ago. They were happily going on about him and Fergie on that Christmas walk and how welcome they were in contrast to the Sussexes. Fergie is not married to Andrew so she could be compelled to testify against him if it came to that. He is disgusting, the royals are disgusting for giving him cover and trying to foist him back on the public, and the fact that this hasn’t been subject to a criminal probe shows negligence on the part of law enforcement over there.

    • Jaded says:

      Fergie knows what went on with Epstein and Maxwell, but her desperation to still be considered a quasi-member of the BRF is the most important thing in her life, not the fact that her ex-husband/current BFF was an active participant in their depravity. The Met has stated that Andrew will not be investigated again — Charles and his Tory puppet masters have managed to quash any further pursuit of that vile POS. The whole lot of them can rot in hell.

    • Lady D says:

      $50 says they got married two years when this first surfaced. Or maybe it was recently, hence the church walk? They think they’re clever.

  36. MinorityReport says:

    I’m so mad these MFs said he can’t be forced to vacate Royal Lodge because he has a lease. Prince Harry would like a mfing word.

  37. Proud Mary says:

    This entire episode has me so incensed! First of all, Kaiser, we are not just talking about teenagers here. Go and watch Virginia Guiffre (sp?) last interview with 60 Minutes Australia. She disclosed that some of the girls who participated in that St. James Island orgy with Andrew and Epstien were as young as 8 years old! Those were infants(!), not teenagers. Do you recall how young you were at that age? Second, I have news for you, Charles is not a Christian. He’s at least a spiritualist, and at most, a religious universalist; not that I have any problem with it, given that some of the nicest folks I know fall squarely in the former category. But for Kay, acting as BP’s mouthpiece, to use Charles’ alleged Christian faith as basis for his coddling Andrew under these circumstances, is the height of hypocrisy, and a bald face lie! What Christian believes that Harry’s alleged misdeed–fighting for his and his family’s safety— deserves punishments, but that Andrew’s–raping children, does not? The idea that Charles’ faith and familial loyalty compels him to put his arms around his non-repentant brother, but conversely compels him to remove security from his son, take away the property his son devoted millions of dollar to renovating, and otherwise collaborate with his son’s media tormentors, is beyond the pale. I, who used to be an avid anglophile (to this day my favorite movie is Brief Encounter), have now officially lost complete respect for Britain. Puck off forever UK.

    • L4Frimaire says:

      I’m absolutely disgusted how they’re trying to use faith and Christian charity as an excuse to enable this disgusting man. Especially when you see how nasty the entire BRF, especially Charles, is towards his youngest son and his family.

  38. phlyfiremama says:

    “and anyway, he has a lease” on Royal Lodge is what gets me. Harry & Meghan had a lease on Frogmore Cottage,and no one had any problem breaking THAT lease for no valid reason whatsoever. There you go, UK, their is your “royal” family in all it’s ugliness. Aren’t y’all glad you can’t buy petrol or groceries easily anymore, have housing problems out the wazooo, skyrocketing utility payments, etc., but hey, the pedophile gets taken great care of on your dime!!

  39. Macky says:

    1. I think this is coming from Andrew’s camp. Remembe,r technically he would still owe people favors. They would want him rehabilitated.

    2. I was essentially proven right. Charles and Queen Liz 2 had a deal regarding Andrew. It just makes sense. Everyone knows he has always wanted to kick Andrew out. This was his ultimate chance.

    3. Call me cynical but I think Fergie got to go so chuck could use her for pictures. Also, he thinks the contrast makes him/camilla look good.

    4. The main point of this article is Andrew is not moving from Royal Lodge!! CHUCK, Andrew wants you to stop trying to force him out and he wants the press to quit asking. Lol. I hope Andrew knows that won’t happen.

  40. Renae says:

    Perhaps Charles could, at the very least, cut off Andy’s Viagra supply.
    (instead, give him a little belladonna).

  41. Patricia says:

    So, perhaps we should refer to this “family” not as the House of Windsor but as the House of Perverts or perhaps the House of Pedophiles. Seems reasonable to me. It is the greatest hypocrisy the Charles and Andrew should be the means that takes down this corrupt, immoral, disgusting family. Philip always predicted this. Looks like he may have been right.

  42. VilleRose says:

    If Andrew is still alive when William is king, William will most likely ban Andrew entirely from appearing in public at family events. It won’t matter if it’s a funeral, coronation, wedding, Christmas walk, or Ascot. We know William hates being associated to any scandal (see the pushing out of the Sussexes out of the BRF and how that story has been a thorn in his side ever since) and will not want to be tied to Epstein in any way. I’m not sure why Charles is being so lenient anyways, I thought he and Andrew didn’t really get along?

    • Tessa says:

      I doubt William will do anything about Andrew. Supposedly William thinks he’s about family values and family ties. He’ll also be too obsessed over the sussexes to bother with andrew.

  43. JaneS says:

    Andrew should be digging himself a bunker to hide in.
    Away with Andrew, friend of Epstein.

  44. kelleybelle says:

    Kay is an idiot that’s about par with Dickie Arbiter … probably worse.

  45. Over it says:

    Dog sh-t dad chuck strikes again. You care so much about your brother and his mental health and wellbeing after all the things your despicable brother has done but could not muster up an ounce of that for your own son and his family who have done nothing but exist ?The fires of hell aren’t hot enough for chuck yet.