A few weeks ago, Richard Eden at the Daily Mail claimed that there had been a sighting, in Norfolk, of Prince William and Carole Middleton having a drink together at a pub. There were no photos, just vibes (and lies). The pub sighting was just one piece of Eden’s column though – he also claimed that the Middletons deserved titles, given that their daughter will one day become queen consort. This is not the first time the Middletons have publicly pushed for titles through one of their favored media figures. It used to happen all the time… before Party Pieces went belly up. But nowadays, given all of the weirdness around the Princess of Wales’s disappearance and the Middletons being exposed as grifters and frauds? It’s an especially weird moment. Well, Hello Magazine sort of bandwagoned on this discussion, and they got their royal expert to pontificate on why the Middletons will probably never get those pesky Earl and Countess of Bucklebury titles.
As parents of a future Queen Consort, and stalwart supporters of the royal family it begs the question: will Carole and Michael Middleton receive official royal titles when their daughter becomes Queen?
HELLO!’s online royal correspondent, Danielle Stacey, has weighed in: “It’s very unlikely that Carole and Michael Middleton will be given titles, despite being the parents of a Queen Consort and this is all down to the rules around peerage titles. A dukedom is a hereditary noble title which is the highest rank of peerage in Britain, and titles can be passed down from a parent or granted by the present reigning monarch. When Kate married Prince William in 2011, Queen Elizabeth II gave them the title of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge.”
So while they could be awarded titles, it would be an unprecedented move. According to Woman and Home, Cecilia Bowes-Lyon, the mother of Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother, was awarded titles of the Countess of Strathmore and Kinghorne because “her husband inherited it from his father and was a member of the aristocracy,” rather than to reflect her status as a Queen’s mother.
Queen Camilla’s relatives are also titleless. Sadly, her parents passed away in 1994 and 2006, but when it came to her children, Tom Parker Bowles and Laura Lopes, they were never awarded titles. The one exception is Camilla’s sister, Annabel Elliot who is known as one of ‘the Queen’s Companions’ which are the equivalent to her ‘ladies in waiting’. Kate could appoint her mother and sister as her ‘companions’ but this title would be different to an official royal title or aforementioned peerage honour.
From what (little) I know of the British peerage system, it would be possible for King Charles to simply “give” certain titles to the Middletons or whoever he wanted. Just as it will be possible for “King William” to give his in-laws titles when the time comes. The mention of Camilla here is interesting though, because it’s sort of a parallel conversation – will Camilla’s Parker-Bowles children ever receive titles? It definitely feels like Tom wants one. And if they open the door for the king’s stepchildren to receive titles, what’s stopping William from demanding the Middletons get an earldom? Granted, I don’t think William cares that much anymore, but if Tom Parker Bowles gets a title, William will throw a fit and demand something for the Middletons out of jealousy. At this point, the monarchy is too invested in whitewashing the Middletons too, and it’s not for Kate’s benefit. They just don’t want to admit that William got honey-trapped by Kate and Carole, and that he married his stalker. The Middletons might get a title simply to cover that up and put a bow on this sh-tshow.
PS… what’s the over-under on Tom Parker Bowles getting a title this year?
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- Kate Middleton (M) waves to the crowd outside the Goring Hotel in London, Germany, 28 April 2011. She is accompanied byh her Sister Pippa (L) and her mother Carole (2nd to L). London is preparing for the royal wedding of Britain’s Prince William and Kate Middleton at Westminster Abbey on April 29. Photo: Frank May,Image: 506265729, License: Rights-managed, Restrictions: NO GERMANY, AUSTRIA, SWITZERLAND – NO 3RD PARTIES – Fee Payable Upon Reproduction – For queries call London + 44 (0)20 7421 6000 , New York + 1 646-329-6242 or Hamburg + 49 (0)40 530 240 5959, Model Release: no, Credit line: Frank May / DPA Picture Alliance / Avalon
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I think TPB (toilet paper bowls?) will get his title next year. Give him 12 months of supporting the QC in her hour of need.
This was NEVER going to happen no matter how hard Carole hustled for it and no matter how many stories she plants in the media demanding one cause she thinks she’s entitled to it. William will never give her one and she’s clearly delusional if she thinks Chuck will give her one.
Well the thing with these peerages is that the title needs to come with a piece of land. Please correct me if i am wrong but i don’t think Buckleberry was ever a dukedom. Ergo, the title duke of Buckleberry simply does not exist and it can also not be given.
No, the title itself can simply be granted, there doesn’t have to be any land involved. And it doesn’t have to have been a previous title. The last time it happened for a non-royal was in 1984 when they made Harold Macmillan (a former PM) Earl of Stockton. It’s never going to happen for the Middletons though.
My understanding is that royal titles have different requirements than mere peerage titles.
Neither royal nor non-royal titles need to come with land. Edward was made Earl of Wessex, Earl of Forfar and Duke of Edinburgh, all without land. The main difference is that they are unlikely to make up a new title for royals but would look back into history (sometimes very far back, the previous title holder of Earl of Wessex died in 1066).
That’s one of the reasons why DoE was only given to Edward for his lifetime – George and Louis will need dukedoms when they get married, assuming we haven’t got rid of the monarchy by then, and there aren’t many left. (York will revert to the Crown barring any tragic late in life sons from Andrew, and other than that there’s just Clarence).
The dukedom of Windsor is available too.
Pretty sure they can get life peerages (i.e., does not pass down to offspring) without land. Don’t know why anyone is batting about dukedoms, it could be far less than that, just Lord & Lady Whoozis.
Edward Young, TQ’s former private secretary and basically Charles’ mole at BP, was made Baron of Old Windsor on his retirement and has a seat in the Lords. I know “baron” is at the bottom of the hierarchy, but otherwise don’t know how something like that fits into the scheme of things mentioned above. But, perhaps, Baron and Baroness of Buckleberry?
I doubt Peg would throw a fit about the Midds not getting a title if Camilla’s children got them. He probably wouldn’t be happy about it but not for the Midds sake. Maybe he could use it as a bargaining chip to get out of his marriage.
I doubt Peg would throw a fit if the Midds didn’t get a title but Camilla’s children did. He wouldn’t be happy about it but I don’t think he would go to bat for the Midds. Maybe he could use it for a bargaining chip for something else.
I can think of a few well deserved titles….none of them positive
LOL, Post of the month, easily!
the Middleton’s owe His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs hundreds of thousands of pounds (not to mention the small / family businesses who got royally (ha) screwed by party pieces). it’s a non-starter.
Exactly. I would be shocked if they got titles after their scams have been revealed. Before, I do think it was possible, but not conferred by Charles. You just know that Camilla despises the grifting, climbing Middletons. The late Queen EII only tolerated them.
It depends on Charles and the real prognosis for his health. If it’s dire, then we could see TPB and Laura be granted titles within the next few months and, let’s face it, Charles won’t care about William’s tantrums if he’s terminally ill and he will want to do it for Camilla.
As to the Middletons, could Charles be petty enough to award them, as a personal gift, a knighthood and annoy William?: yes, yes he could.
I only hope he’s set up watertight trusts for Archie and Lilibet and ensures a substantial inheritance for Harry which William cannot revoke.
“I only hope he’s set up watertight trusts for Archie and Lilibet and ensures a substantial inheritance for Harry” – nlikely from the guy who evicted H&M!
I think they should all be give titles.. I personally want to see the reaction.
Lmaoooo messy queen
What, no Earl and Countess of Flat Brokingham and Bucklebury Flops?
I am inconsolable and utterly heartbroken.
Titles don’t stop them being imbeciles.
Kate marrying William didn’t stop them being exposed for the grifters that they are.
That very thing may have been their undoing. Before Kate began with William, no one had a clue who they were. Since Carole and Gary couldn’t abide being nobodies, they were exposed for the world to see. Fantastic for the ego, but ultimately not for grifting. No one will convince me that the RF not intervening to cover up that scandal was anything but setting the scene for their eviction from the RF. It had shades of what happened to M & H, except M&H didn’t have anything they could use so the vultures were sicced on them harder. Just you watch.
I think Tom PB will get a title from Charles in 2026 if William hasn’t ascended. If Chuckles kicks the can before that, I don’t see it happening.
I occasionally wonder if Wills might strip Camilla of any titles after his dad passes.
Kate did provide 3 kids, so marrying her wasn’t that foolish. I don’t think anybody could live happily with Will. Kate at least does supervise the raising of the kids.
I beg to differ. The nanny, Maria, does the raising.
What world do you live in? The Palace says she’s keen and hands on. But there’s copious evidence that she doesn’t. Photos of the kids with Maria more than her, her own awkward interactions with them. Clearly having no clue how to deal with Louis’ acting out despite him being a toddler and having had the time to get to know him enough. Then there’s how the children tend to react to her. They’re clearly closer to William. Even Charlotte, the most well behaved and discreet of them, makes clear with her body language that she prefers her dad. That all points to her being more detached, at best.
Ha, ha, someone high up at the palace must have read my numerous comments about the Middletons calling them con artist grifters, inter alia. LOL.
How could they possibly expect titles after leaving creditors, including the UK government, to the tune of millions of pounds in their wake? They are lowlife scum who have traded on their daughters’ relationship to the royals since it was revealed that Kate was William’s girlfriend.
@Kaiser: glad you told it like it is re William marrying his stalker, Kate, and he was honey-trapped. I think it was the Middleton’s sell as a home-spun family that won him over.
None of these people are getting titles because that would only stir up the anti-monarchists. The Royal Family wants to keep as much of the public on their side.
That is very true and in light of Harry and Meghan leaving and the PA scandal, it would not look good. It puts the blowtorch on the supposedly slimmed-down monarchy. They are really trying to close ranks and giving the Middletons titles runs counter to that.
I think if they were going to do it, it would have been after George or Charlotte were born. Especially not now after the grift scandal. It’s okay for the nobility and peers to not pay their bills, that doesn’t apply to social climbing middle class.
She’s such a Mrs. Bennett.
Marquess of Pembroke? Dust off the Boleyn titles, since they aren’t using them.
Sadly, the 10th creation of the Earldom of Pembroke is has been going strong since A.D. 1551.
The 18th Earl of Pembroke (and 15th Earl of Montgomery {1605}, 18th Baron Herbert of Cardiff {1551}, 15th Baron Herbert of Shurland {1605}, AND 7th Baron Herbert of Lea {1861}) is William Alexander Sidney Herbert, born in 1978. His heir apparent, the Hon Reginald Henry Michael Herbert, styled Lord Herbert, was born in 2012.
***All of this is according to cracroftspeerage.co.uk. The wikipedia pages for the Earldom of Pembroke and for the 18th Earl specifically do not have ALL of this information, and none of his titles beyond the Pembroke one have a wikipedia page.
That so-called expert’s so-called explanation doesn’t really explain anything at all.
Duke and Duchess of Bankruptcy works for me!
It would be hilarious if the BRF gave them a baronetcy: the Baronets of Bucklebury.