Prince Harry: If anything happens to my kids, ‘look where the responsibility lies’

Prince Harry’s security appeal ruling was released around 2 pm in London, 9am on the East Coast and 6 am on the West Coast on Friday. Within about three hours, Prince Harry had issued a barn-burner of a statement and sat down for an exclusive on-camera interview with the BBC. Apparently, the BBC’s American correspondent believed that she was getting Harry for ten minutes tops, but he wanted to get a lot off of his chest. The interview is very raw, and you can feel that he’s close to crying at one point. Harry describes in detail what his security case was about, how Ravec operates, how Ravec deviated from their SOP when it came to Harry and Meghan, and how the purpose of his “bespoke” security arrangement is about controlling him and Meghan.

I agree with many that the larger point of this interview was “he doesn’t have anything to lose, so he’s going public with some of what’s happened and what he’s learned.” There was another point: to once again tell the Windsors that they don’t get to control the narrative, that what’s done in darkness will eventually see the light, and they don’t get to put him in this dangerous situation and expect him to stay silent.

All that being said, there’s been a cognitive dissonance within Harry which has been apparent for years – he says in this interview that the Windsors won’t communicate with him: “I would love reconciliation with my family. There’s no point in continuing to fight anymore…Life is precious. I don’t know how much longer my father has. He won’t speak to me because of this security stuff, but it would be nice to reconcile.” Okay, but he also pretty much acknowledges that Charles has made it clear that he doesn’t want to see Harry, Meghan or their children. Not only that, Charles doesn’t care how much mortal danger the Sussexes are in. This has been the consistent thread – it’s not that Harry is grey-rocking the Windsors or trying to move as incognito as possible. He’s been actively seeking reconciliation this whole time and Charles has cut him off.

I found the “duty of care” comments incredibly interesting, as well as all of the points made about something we’ve discussed for years. Which is: for Harry’s security, Ravec and the Windsors believe that security follows rank and not threat. As in, Harry doesn’t “need” to be protected because of where he “ranks” as a non-working royal. Which has nothing to do with the real terrorist threats against him. Harry also said: “At the heart of it, this is a family dispute, and it makes me really, really sad that we are sitting here today, five years later, where a decision that was made — most likely, in fact, I know — to keep us under the roof. But then once they realized that wasn’t going to work, once they realized that myself, my wife, my kids are happier outside of the institution, then please just look at the facts. Look at the risk, look at the threat, look at the impact that if anything was to happen to me, my wife, or my father’s grandchildren. If anything was to happen to them, look where the responsibility lies.” Yeah, the responsibility lies with the same garbage people you’re trying to reconcile with.

You can also read Harry’s statement on Sussex.com here. He wrote the real history of this seven-plus years security debacle, including the part where the Windsors originally wanted Meghan to have zero security when Harry and Meghan first became engaged. Harry wrote about that in Spare, and he’s spoken about and around it in interviews too.

One more thing: Harry suggests something I believe entirely, which is that Buckingham Palace signaled to other governments that they should leave the Sussexes without security. We’ve seen that play out when Harry and Meghan visited Nigeria, Germany, Colombia, and when Harry visited Ukraine last month – the palace was beyond freaked out that other governments went above and beyond to ensure the Sussexes safety.

Photos/screengrabs courtesy of BBC News.

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189 Responses to “Prince Harry: If anything happens to my kids, ‘look where the responsibility lies’”

  1. Friendly Crow says:

    Harry is brilliant. He can’t be said to be the one rejecting olive branches or turning away from offered hands. Hrs set the narrative to the truth.

    None of this means he’s been trying to reconcile, no questions asked, full forgiveness locked and loaded.

    It means that he’s open to accountability on all sides and working through and processing these situations from a place of empathy and an attempt at fully understanding the others perspective. He knows that won’t happen but that doesn’t mean he didn’t try.

    • Blogger says:

      I paused a bit when he mentioned his ability to forgive them…including the actions of the Rottweiler. He’s a better person than them.

      I’m surprised he wasn’t more explicit about his mother. It was there, implied with history repeating itself – the interviewer should have also mentioned her – but mentioning what happened with Diana’s security, her name, would have received a more visceral reaction amongst those of us who remembered 1997.

      • ArtFossil says:

        Diana was referred to–in the wrenching exchange about history repeating itself and how there was a faction that wanted that. And Harry knows all the names.

        (Of all the vile comments on the Daily Mail, the worst was the one that stated Harry should have been in the car with his mother).

      • Tessa says:

        Dm allows this in and i found they don’t remove these vile comments and let them stay in

      • DeedeeB says:

        Very true. I think Harry is highlighting how ruthless the family has been through this whole ordeal. He says he is open to reconciliation so ppl know that all he has ever wanted was for his family to be safe which is a reasonable request. He WANTED to stay and fulfill his duty, he WANTED to come back to England with his wife and children but only if his family stopped feeding them to the wolves.

        He is trying to explain that now that the situation has changed, he is happy and is no longer willing to come back to the royal household but wants to put the past behind him. He is saying that he HAS been willing to negotiate a TRUCE (nothing more) BUT his family wants to punish him for leaving even if that means putting his, Meghan’s and the children’s lives in danger.

        Those of us following closely, would understand if he said he never wanted to reconcile, but those who do not follow this as closely may think it’s tit for tat. Harry wants to make clear it isn’t and they hold all the cards… and resentment.

        Also, to think about the Heritage foundation trying to get him DEPORTED to the U.K in light of this lack of security is straight evil. It is obviously a two-pronged approach.

        Don’t know what to say about Charles… Even fighting cancer, he cannot find it in him to love his children.

        I hope that Charles being as trashy as toxic Tom brings down the monarchy and spawns Shakespearian style tales for centuries. Two men, one rich, one poor, both putting their children in harms way. Nothing says ordained by GOD better than being the most basic bitch ever despite having all the resources available to you to chose differently.

      • Christine says:

        Excellent point about the heritage foundation.

      • SURE says:

        @blogger I found it telling that H said he could forgive his father, brother and stepmother but left out K. Is it because he thinks she is blameless or because he hasn’t been able to forgive her yet?

    • sevenblue says:

      From what I understand, Harry is happy with his life. There is no anger left in him. So, he believes he can forgive his family and has peace with them. However, both Will and Charles are angry, especially Will that they lost their control, their scapegoat. Of course, they won’t want to make peace as equals. If Harry comes back begging and divorced, they can do it, because seeing Harry miserable gives them the upper hand.

      • Bqm says:

        Yeah. Gray rocking is appropriately and it works for some. See Meghan and her father. But it’s not a one size fits all and obviously isn’t what Harry wants. He’s in the “vengeance is drinking poison and expecting the other person to die’ mindset. He’s forgiven and moved on. If he’s gray rocked anyone it’s William.

    • Sophia A Nelson has a great article in Forbes that pulls no punches. I don’t know how to get the link I’m not tech savvy. It talks about how now that Harry knows all that he should move on from his terrible family. It’s a good article .

  2. Carty says:

    Charles is a sh*t human being. William is no better. To put your child and his family in mortal danger is unconscionable.

    • Blogger says:

      He’s another Henry VIII. Pathologically unstable.

      • TC says:

        Listen folks…a cursory glance at the RF’s history will give you the brutal truth of their lineage. They come from a long line of inbred, cruel, murderous clan. The 21st Century hasn’t changed their DNA. It’s in their blood. Prince Harry has broken the curse, and it makes those within the family outraged beyond measure. They will do a lot to put Harry’s family in harms way, so their atrocious inadequacies aren’t exposed in contrast to the many accomplishments of Harry and Meghan.

    • WaterDragon says:

      William is 10 times worse. I can’t remember who recommended “The House of Windsor: Death Toll Edition” by Maple L. Fields, but I ordered it and am reading it and it lays it all out. Thank you for the recommendation.

      • Jais says:

        For years, “William’s friend” has been briefing the Tom Sykes of the Daily Beast that he never wants Harry to step foot in the uk again. I’d say it’s been a plan in the making for a while.

    • Me at home says:

      William has representation on RAVEC and a helpful person yesterday said they thought Simon Case was/is William’s rep there, at least at the time when some major decisions were made. It wouldn’t be surprising if RAVEC’s decisions were down to William, but if that’s true then Charles didn’t put his foot down with his elder son, so he’s still a pos.

      • Jais says:

        Yes, Simon Case repped William at the time. As Case later became embroiled in such a massive partygate scandal under Boris Johnson’s govt., his involvement is not a good look. And I think that’s why Harry mentioned an appeal to the new govt. under Starmer as opposed to Johnson and by extension Case. Still wouldn’t hold my breath for that but oh well.
        Here’s a refresh with an excerpt from the times.

        https://www.celebitchy.com/860351/prince_williams_then-private_secretary_simon_case_authored_a_major_sussexit_memo/

        Last paragraph from times:
        An insider said: “Case wasn’t always on RAVEC but at this time he was there to do a job for the royal household as an institution. Very few people know the amount of delegated power the household wields on RAVEC. Case was a professional technocrat with a gift for navigating the awkward nitty-gritty of a situation and getting a desired result.”

        Celebitchy does a good job of breaking it down if you go to the link. No idea who reps William now on RAVEC though. And Charles’ people were on RAVEC too so it’s probably one of the few times William and Charles have worked together.

      • Me at home says:

        Thanks, Jais

  3. Gem says:

    The reconciliation answer is a cookie cutter PR answer. You are talking about security that court has ruled is decided by your family. You can’t just say to f with my dad, I just want security. Like that won’t fly well. Harry told us his father is solely responsible for his security being yanked and that he forgave him for it. I do believe this part. But he probably did this for his own peace of mind. Harry was not confused, he spoke clearly, he was calm. He has processed what his own father has done to him, he is sad but he has accepted things and he is moving on. This interview is a historical record so they can’t twist the narrative. Its for posterity.

    • Blogger says:

      Yes, definitely historical. And they won’t be able to pull this interview down like they did with the Bashir interview. He’s out there, on record. He’s not mincing words, his life is at stake and they play with it like it’s nothing.

      The rats can dehumanise him as much as they want, but people watched this interview like they did Diana’s. Bravo Harry, and may you live a long life. 🙏

    • Lover says:

      I interpreted his forgiveness comments a little differently. He said that yanking the security was the “sticking point” that he finds it hardest to forgive because it affects him and his immediate family every day. From that I inferred that the things he *does* forgive Charles for are the things that occurred prior to 2020 (his father cheating on his mom with Camilla, neglecting him as a child and prizing William above him, treating Meghan as less-than from the beginning, the racist crap, etc.). But if security is the sticking point, then it seems reconciliation would be impossible unless and until Charles stops intervening with Ravec and allows them to do their job properly to ensure the Sussexes’ security in the UK. That said, I agree with you that there is a PR aspect to this. Personally I think what Charles has done is unforgivable, but Harry has to be careful what he says because at some level this is still a media battle, and media is part of what has aggravated the threats against them. He has to appear to be the calm, rational one, even if he’s torn up or angry inside.

      • Ginger says:

        Agreed Lover. Harry said the security issue is something he can’t forgive. There is a PR part to the reconciliation in that when Charles dies they can’t say Harry was cruel and wouldn’t let his dad see his kids. All of that lies with Charles. Charles comes out as a shit father/grandfather. Harry has his hands clean.

        It’s clear Harry was holding A LOT back and has a lot of anger and hurt with his dad. Him stating that the palace also tries to mess with their security in other countries was insane! No doubt the palace didn’t want that information out.

      • SURE says:

        @Ginger There’s a noticeable break/edit in the interview after H makes that jaw dropping comment. I’d love to know what happened there.

  4. Mads says:

    I took some time to take in the revelations in Harry’s interview; one thing that became glaringly apparent is that the Frogmore eviction was a deliberate and malicious act to ensure the Sussex family couldn’t circumvent the provision of security only being provided if invited by the RF.

    Frogmore sits within the Windsor security compound, they would have had automatic security for the house whether invited or not. It’s clear that Charles has never extended an invitation to the Sussex family to visit and why Harry states that it’s not safe to bring his family to the UK.

    Charles doesn’t care one jot for his son, daughter-in-law and grandchildren. William feels the same. Archie and Lili will never set foot on UK soil because their paternal family has no regard for their safety, and don’t want them to visit.

    • Christine says:

      The irony being that Archie and Lili actually COULD visit, because their parents have protected their identities. Harry and Meghan are the polar opposite of Charles, their kids are the very most important thing in the world to both of them.

    • Ginger says:

      Charles can’t put out to the media that he is desperate to see his grandchildren when he has done everything in his power to make sure that they will not be safe. Harry has shown us what a horrible father and grandfather he is. I hope the egg throwing and boos continues for Charles and his rein.

  5. Blogger says:

    This interview was like the sequel to Spare. You’re fighting the good fight Harry. Know that people loved your mother, hated what your father did to her, and despise what he’s doing to you now.

    I look forward to the Canadian public reaction when Chuck and the Rottweiler visit.

    Also whoever conducted this interview gave him a fair hearing. She’s not a rat. So well done to her.

    • Nic919 says:

      They will be in Ottawa and mostly sheltered from the public.

      Canadians over all don’t give a shit about the monarchy especially when it took some prodding to get any pushback after threats of sovereignty from orange moron.

      • Blogger says:

        Any indigenous MPs who can heckle him like in the Australian parliament?

      • Who Were These People? says:

        Indigenous peoples have their land protected under treaties with the Crown which currently means Charles. They are in no hurry to have the Canadian Constitution changed as a result. Some of the Cree First Nations in Alberta just invoked the treaties to remind the provincial Premier of their rights when she toyed with separatism. Canada is complicated.

      • Jaded says:

        @Blogger — Many of our First Nations’ peoples have individual treaties with the monarchy that they don’t want destroyed. There’s little trust among Indigenous nations that Canada’s federal or provincial governments, which have repeatedly failed in their duties, would negotiate new treaties that would hold Indigenous nations as peers.

      • Louise says:

        Canadian here. I’m fully team Sussex, and in any other timeline would welcome a good heckling. Right now, with the orange Menace, I will take all the diplomatic GTFOH with the 51st state bullship please.

  6. Advisor2U says:

    “The Windsors originally wanted Meghan to have zero security”.
    That was in 2017 when H&M were engaged to be married in 2018. They were racist against her from the start, but yeah, they welcomed Meghan with open arms, right?

    Harry should have shared this information in Spare where he described his conversation with Charles in the car, where he said he had no money to support Meghan, and that she should continue acting. That should have exposed this royal racist much earlier.
    Once again, this shows how much Harry has protected his deadbeat dad in his memoir.

    • Blogger says:

      Probably got cut out – I look forward to Spare Part II. Maybe in 10 years time.

    • Magdalena says:

      I believe he DID share in Spare that the royals had originally wanted her to have no security at all. They literally put a target on her back, made her an international figure of hate, then spread the word that she would have no security – until H stepped in. And remember that unlike the Wales/Cambridge children, little A had NO security at all, despite all the hate they had also whipped up against him.

      What a man Harry is. An officer and a gentleman to the highest degree.

      • Maja says:

        Meghan said on Oprah, if they don’t want to protect me and Archie, okay, but they have to protect Harry. It was already out in the open then.

    • Ginger says:

      He probably couldn’t due to the case. Lawyers and other people from Penguin Random House look at this book before sending it out.

    • BAYAREAGIRL2000 says:

      Him noting that in the letter gave more context of how long he has been fighting to protect Meghan. A lot of people, supporters or haters of the DDOS, frequently bring up the moment when Meghan tells him she’s not okay being alone and he just rushes her to the event. I have always kept my comments to myself about that moment because I knew there was context missing. I don’t think Meghan would have stayed if she was with a man who didn’t listen to her needs or protected her. It seems that moment just caught him off guard as he has been doing everything to protect his wife than him almost turning into Charles and serving his wife up for failure/harm.

  7. GoodWitchGlenda says:

    I don’t blame him for trying to reconcile. I think he thinks if they reconcile it would fix both the family mess AND his security. Do I think he’ll be successful? Unfortunately no. I think he’ll give up actively trying once his father dies, but he’ll always have hope.

    It’s really heartbreaking because he’s right, at the heart of this is a family dispute. A family dispute that’s impacted by the institution of the monarchy, a thing that shouldn’t even exist anyway.

    • Blogger says:

      I thought that was a zing from him. Chuck and the Rottweiler are going to Canada. Harry mentions Canada and their truth and reconciliation process.

      Chuck will even more starkly look like the spineless git that he’s always been after this especially if he starts praising the Canadians and their process. I wonder if there are any indigenous people on his photo-op schedule…

      • Joanne says:

        Canada’s Governor General, HE Mary Simon, is Indigenous so she will be seated nearby HM The King ,along with PM Carney, HM Queen, not sure of the seating arrangements. In past Indigenous Peoples have given blessing ceremony at beginning of Speech.

      • Who Were These People? says:

        Charles giving the opening speech for Parliament is 100% about symbolic push-back against Trump.

  8. SuOutdoors says:

    Basicly the ruling says that RAVEC is above the law. They can decide who is worth to get his risk level examined and decide accordingly. If brave enough to let the king’s son be attacked or even killed on british soil, they can do so. I’m not sure Charles speculates on Harry being really be harmed, but he very much is enjoying the consequences: if Harry wants to come to the UK and overshadow him ribbon cutting then he will have to be ready to pay the ultimativ price, so he will think twice to do so. Spotlight back on him only, and the horse, of course.

    • Blogger says:

      This won’t sit well because Britain has always prided itself with their advances in the law, especially when it comes to oppressive regimes, liberal democracies, High Court cases that change the law to improve liberal democratic processes.

      Nobody is above the law – except for the king. RAVEC is a committee. They are not above the law. So when Harry says RAVEC is operating above and beyond the law, that should scrutinise RAVEC’s operations further. Even if the Home Office and Starmer don’t do a thing, it’s now on record. Rushdie nearly got assassinated despite all the known threats he’s received since Satanic Verses, as for Harry, I would not want to gamble with your life Harry. Your children need you, they don’t.

  9. Magdalena says:

    We’ve long suspected, but now we know for certain, that the royals actually attempted to influence the governments of other countries and coerce them into NOT providing security for Harry and Meghan. (A) This confirms that they are STILL definitely keeping tabs on which countries H + M will be visiting and (B) We’ve now got a clearer understanding of why all of the British media were up in arms each time they saw Harry and Meghan getting top-notch security details in other countries, e.g. The Netherlands, Germany, Colombia, Nigeria, Canada and in other states, especially in New York. They were angry that their plans to endanger the lives of H+M and their family were unravelling with each public appearance.

    I’d love to know what the thoughts are re Invictus Birmingham at the moment, because that’s a lot of time for nefarious characters to orchestrate some evil. And I do agree that at this point, Harry has decided that he’s got nothing to lose, so he’s not going to suffer in silence.

    I’m also ticked off that the BBC got this magnificent interview with SO MANY nuggets and truth bombs (far from welcoming M with open arms, they never planned to provide her with security???!!!) and they cowardly decided to run with that stupid “wants reconciliation” headline, which other tabloids duly ran with – making it appear that H is pining and begging to make up with the cretins who deliberately put his life and those of his immediate family in danger. Proof that the BBC is a clickbait-chasing tabloid, just like all the rest.

    • ML says:

      Magdelena, I understand what you are saying about the BBC and their treatment (especially) of Meghan. However, foreign media still highly respects the BBC–this has gotten far greater reach than it might otherwise have had via another source, and they repeated Harry’s words in the news. It’s not a complete disaster of an interviewer choice, thank goodness.

      • Blogger says:

        The fact that she’s American, a foreign correspondent, suggests to me she’s a graduate of the old school non-Murdoch journalism. This is her Christiane Amanpour moment and I hope she savours it. I’d stay away from the UK though if I were her, too many jealous rats in London that they didn’t get the interview of the year (the way others turned on Bashir when he got the Diana interview…)

    • Blogger says:

      The tentacles reached Biden when he was President. This institution looks rotten from within and other countries have to cover up the country’s visceral incompetence when it comes to the Sussexes. Both the Foreign and Home Offices have sent out “personal non grata” missives to their counterparts and it’s unedifying to see just to please an unpopular king.

      Others take a different view but I’d like Harry to skip the next IG.

    • Me at home says:

      The BBC could have edited the h@ll out of this interview and reduced it to 5 mins, but they ran with what I presume is the whole thing, or at least a number of truth bombs. So there’s that. As for the “reconciliation” header, if nothing else it may be persuaded a few derangers to watch the interview/read articles about it, rubbing their hands about Harry in tears or something, and then they’d see the truth bombs.

  10. kirk says:

    The best thing you can do in watching that interview is to cover up the “Prince Harry tells BBC he wants reconciliation” headline. Because he doesn’t really talk about reconciliation until the tail end (past 29 min mark). Then he talks about what he learned through First Nations in Canada at IG 2025 – the goal is truth and reconciliation, and “reconciliation cannot come without truth.” He now knows that his birth family, esp Chuck, has hidden the truth, forcing him through the courts to find out the truth. Then he concludes, “It would be nice to have that reconciliation part now, [but] if they don’t want that, that’s entirely up to them.” When the interviewer follows up with if he would talk to his father, he says he doesn’t think his father would talk about it. So, I don’t think there’s really any cognitive dissonance at this point. Harry is just playing along with the britmedia narrative, ‘he’s desperate to come home’ so he sounds reasonable, not radioactive.

    • First comment says:

      Exactly! He only mentioned the reconciliation thing after the reporter asked him and I believe he answered it the only way he could! Imagine the outrage of the media if he refused it on camera! He would be the cruel son denying his cancer stricken father the reconciliation!!! Harry is brilliant and now,once again, he has it on record that the ball is on their place..

    • Ginger says:

      This. You said it perfectly.

  11. mia girl says:

    Throughout my lifetime, Charles has shown again and again that he is a selfish, sh*t human being. Petty, jealous and emotionally stunted at every phase of his life. He doesn’t care for anyone but himself – and Camilla, simply because she’s the only person who makes him feel he is the center of the world (and let’s be honest, she really doesn’t center him, she’s just convinced him that she does). He will never be happy because he’s a miserable, insecure a**hole desperately wishing he could be the main character, but such a bore of a person that he will always be a sideline character in history.

    You are better off without him Harry.

    • Christine says:

      Camilla really should give a Ted Talk for mistresses. She managed to convince Chuck he is the center of her world, all while swanning off to her own private estate he bought her to spend time with her family every single weekend. It’s almost impressive, if there weren’t actual dead bodies in her wake.

    • Tessa says:

      The queen mother doted on Charles and helped enable the egomaniac. She even let Charles use one of her homes to spend the night with camilla while both were still married to others.

      • Nic919 says:

        She also got her claws on William.

        That woman was an insecure mess despite being Queen consort. She hated that Wallis Simpson was prettier than her and she was a racist alcoholic which was covered up too.

      • Bqm says:

        The QM wasn’t insecure nor was Wallis prettier than her. Thinner, chicer, yes. But Wallis was no beauty. She definitely seems to have exploited losing power early (with her husband’s death at a fairly young age) by taking advantage of the space provided by Elizabeth’s being so busy in those early years. I’m sure it helped with her grief too and they’d gotten Charles and Anne for weeks and even months at a time when Elizabeth was in Malta. But we never hear about her influence, if any, on Anne. Just Charles.

      • Magdalena says:

        The REAL reason the queen mother hated Wallis was that she (Elizabeth) fancied David (King Edward) before she settled for his brother, who became the then Duke of York. Her interest in him was never reciprocated, and when he fell head over heels with (and gave up the crown for) what she considered to be an unsuitable woman, her hatred hit new heights.

    • JudyB says:

      The absolute worst thing QEII did was make that statement about how as queen she “shall be devoted to your service and to the service of our great imperial family to which we all belong.” No mention of her priority to her family and children.

      While she was highly praised her for dedication, frankly, she put her job over the care and loving of her two young children and the two she would have later in life. One of her first trips was a 6-month world voyage, leaving her two small children in the care of nannies and a drunken Queen Mother!

      This would likely be strongly criticized these days as delinquent parenting and possibly even child abuse. It also no doubt contributed to the coldness Charles and his siblings have felt toward family, and has shaped them as parents. Ditto for forcing Charles into schools he did not fit into and was bullied at, plus all of the privilege and “the prince can do no wrong” attitude forced by the firm, no wonder he is a mess as a person and as a parent!

  12. Becks1 says:

    Both his statement and interview are heartbreaking but I’m glad he put it all out there.

    Other countries and jurisdictions provide him security bc they’re trying to avoid a repeat of Paris 1997. It feels the UK and the royal family are actively trying for that repeat.

    It’s disgusting.

    It’s also been interesting to see how much misinformation about this is spreading so his statement is even more
    Important – the firm NEVER wanted to protect Meghan, the firm reneged on their promise to provide security in 2020, he DID offer to pay and was rebuffed, and most importantly, this is all about CONTROL.

    • Tara says:

      You are right, @Becks. Isn’t that what makes it a bigger deal than a family argument?
      We look at a family that is above the law, that calls on other governments to stop protecting their “outcast” members, this overbearing control of a family member who never had a free choice about his status (was born into the family), and to this day is not given the freedom to live life as he wishes – and in safety most importantly. And all of it in plain sight.

      Question: Doesn’t that violate Harrys human rights? And isn’t that reason enough to abolish monarchies once and for all? In what kind of world do we want to live in? – By the way, it just occurred to me that King George V supposedly wanted to save the Romanovs…

      • ArtHistorian says:

        The BRF operates not as a family or a firm, it operates like a CULT! And when members leave the cult, they are punished, persecuted and sometimes murdered. It is frankly terrifying that the British monarchy operates in this cult-like way since it has its tentacles deep in other parts of the official Establishment and it is using the full might of governmental agencies to harass at couple of private citizens simply for leaving by actively putting them in danger.

        It is outrageous that they are trying to influence other governments when it comes to the security of the Sussexes!

        Harry’s revelations really make me reevaluate the case of Diana. The fact that Charles and his courtiers have learned NOTHING from the backlash from Diana’s death is utterly idiotic! If, God forbid, anything happened to Harry, Meghan or their very young children, it would be just as bad, if not worse. Diana was subjected to a hate campaign in the press in the years before her death but when she died the reaction showed that she was loved and admired.

      • Jais says:

        It does operate like a cult and also like a state-funded mafia, putting anyone in danger who tries to escape.

    • First comment says:

      CONTROL! That’s what they want! They want to control him, his wife and children and know in advance his movements in order to set their narrative at the press and give them exclusives as an exchange for their silence on other much more important matters..and if something happens to them, that’s even better! They can’t stand him for outshining all of them just by breathing…

    • Nic919 says:

      There are old stories coming out about Pippa getting security for a few events. And of Kate getting it as early as 2008. So it looks awful to not protect Meghan in 2017 when they are engaged.

      • BeanieBean says:

        I noted how Harry said it wasn’t until he found out WHO was behind that decision that they reversed it. Wanna bet it was William? And Harry could spill that at any moment, hence Billy Boy’s near-constant incandescent rage?

      • Becks1 says:

        @beaniebean I think it was William as well. It’s been clear that Harry has some big bombs re William that he hasn’t detonated yet. I think that’s one of the big ones.

    • BeanieBean says:

      Can you IMAGINE asking other governments not to provide security??? The utter GALL!!! The EVIL behind that. And yes, I’m glad Harry made a written statement as well as sitting for that interview, because my god, the twisting of his own words from that interview is truly mind-boggling.

    • JudyB says:

      Harry and Meghan have the ability and experience to make money and support themselves. Consider all the future, current, and past royal family members who do not have that ability, because of education or other reasons.

      H&M are the tip of the iceberg. While some members of the family have married people with jobs who can support them, others are pretty much stuck under the control of this firm or cult. We do not hear about this because they are financial and mental prisoners, but consider what it must be like for Charles’s siblings and their families to have to ask for every penny that they need to live.

      The real power of the king and the soon-to-be-king is control, not having multiple castles and homes, and all the gold-plated fixtures in them. Charles is an evil bully, and William is showing that he is a bully also. Would YOU want to depend on either of these two for money or freedom in your personal lives?

      • Jes says:

        Its the weirdest thing, the most authoritarian, king-like behavior they get to exercise (and they do) is just over members of their own family. From entire nation, empire, to just their own family.

  13. ML says:

    Well done for putting up a fight and not accepting being treated as lesser because you are a “Spare,” Harry! Cockroaches thrive in darkness, so it’s great that Harry shone light on what went on. May he, Meghan and their children stay safe and enjoy life🙏

    • BeanieBean says:

      Yes, I love that Harry is putting this all out in the open. None of this closed door government-secret stuff. Or mysterious grey men stuff.

  14. Jais says:

    One thing that struck me as particularly cruel is when Harry said that regular members of the public whose lives are threatened can even get tax-funded security if the risk is high enough. But he is not even allowed to be treated as a regular citizen. So he’s not a working royal but also not treated as a citizen so he’s in this liminal space. He has not been given a risk assessment since 2019 bc the royal household members sitting on RAVEC, the ones meant to be representing the royals, are advising against it. Harry’s appealing to the govt. to step in but I’m betting they won’t. They should all be ashamed. Every single person.

    • Magdalena says:

      I agree with you. He’s not being treated as a royal, yet not as a citizen either, even though he IS both, and even though the threat levels for him and his family are far higher than many people in the UK. The man went to war TWICE to fight in the name of queen and country and THIS is how they repay him. Let that be a lesson to other veterans.

    • sevenblue says:

      Salman Rushdie never worked for government, never did any public work. He is a writer and he got years-long taxpayer security because of death threats. He is right, any citizen who gets that kind of public threats, they are provided with security from the government.

      • kirk says:

        Liz Truss, whose PM stint couldn’t outlast a head of lettuce, gets lifetime security.

  15. Mayp says:

    Yes, the bit about the Royal family and/or household telegraphing to other countries to not give the Sussexes security was, for me, the big revelation in this interview.

    While many of us have suspected that the royals / household had a hand in Canada pulling their security, it was really nice to hear it said out loud. I also thought it was weird that, out of the blue seemingly, Charles traveled to Germany shortly before invictus. At that time, I thought that Charles May be wanting to put some wrench in the Invictus works, like impinging on security.

    Now it is out in the open, and what is so great about that is that this really evinces just how spiteful and hateful the Royals are, and that they really do want physical harm to come to the Sussexes.

    • Blogger says:

      And they’ll do the BS performative pomp is something does happen.

      As that actor playing Tony Blair said along those lines in that movie: “They really don’t know what’s good for them!”

      So embedded they are in their pettiness, they are one event away from losing the Crown.

    • Nic919 says:

      Canada didn’t pull it. In Spare Harry said there were RPOs with them on Vancouver island and they were ordered back.

      Plus Covid restrictions were closing in.

      • Mayp says:

        They also had Canadian police assigned to them and they were being pulled. Remember the huge kerfuffle in the press and government when all of a sudden people (mostly the tabloid press) were clamoring to remove the Canadian security from the Sussexes detail? Ultimately, the Canadian government then said that they would not be providing security for the Sussexes which they had been doing since their arrival. So yes, the RPOs had been pulled but they still had the local security for a period of time.

      • Blogger says:

        Thank God for Tyler Perry and explains so much why he hates the Windsors. May Tyler continue to be blessed.

      • Nic919 says:

        All the pulling away stemmed from the UK foreign office though. Canada wouldn’t have initiated that process unless they were told something by the UK.

      • Mayp says:

        Yes, and that goes to my point. Would the UK foreign office have requested this if the Royals didn’t want this to happen? I don’t think so. I think this is likely a perfect example of the Royals / Royal household exerting pressure, by way of the UK foreign service, upon a foreign government to deny the Sussexes protection. Because, seriously, why else with the UK foreign service have even otherwise cared?

    • Startup Spouse says:

      When you phrase it like this, it sure sounds like conspiracy to commit murder.

      The royals are engaged in a conspiracy to murder Harry and his family. That should be the headline.

      • Mayp says:

        Yep. But, as I indicated below, the UK press has not reported what Harry said about this. It also ties in with what Harry said about history repeating itself (the UK press have reported this). They know it looks bad. Very bad.

  16. Shanta says:

    I wish that I actually knew him at this point. Because a would tell Harry to F-k them and everybody that looks like them. Drop your patrons, move invictus, and become a US citizen. Drop the titles…. All of them,for yourself and the kids. And if you want to show your kids England….. Find a you tube video. Hunny, not everyone gets a good parent.. The only thing that you can be is a good parent. Leave them…..and all of that drama behind and continue to live your life.

    • Tara says:

      But that wouldn’t change a thing. He lived his life in public, the world watched him growing up, grieving his mother, growing up to be this impressive man he has become. Tabloids reported all details of his life so far, and during the last years steered up hate against him deliberately. I mean, I am reading all news Sussex. I just got wiser in choosing my sources, but that is just because I am not ill intended.

    • Tessa says:

      Immigrants left their homeland and some could not ever go back. Harry needs to realize this and the kids don’t need the abusive treatment they’d get if they went back.

    • LM says:

      @Shanta: not everyone gets a good parent really struck home with me (it’s 50/50, my mother was the best). I wish Harry happiness and peace of mind. I know what it feels like to mourn a living parent because the relationship has deteriorated past the point of no return while also having experienced the real loss of a loving mother. It sucks, it hurts, and one of the meanest things is how closure is so hard to come by. Poor guy.

  17. koko says:

    I know that no parent is perfect, we all try to do our best. But when I read/see things like this, I give my Dad a call or send him a text. I want him to know, he’s been the best Dad to me and my siblings. I can’t imagine how painful it is to Harry, to have a Dad like this. It’s unreal.

  18. Maxine Branch says:

    My hope is Meghan will be able to offer this dear sweet husband of hers the consolation he needs at this time.

    In regard’s to the Windsor’s many of us have long suspected they were the ones controlling security for Harry in the UK. But reaching across borders to harm this couple’s ability to continue with their philanthropic work while placing them in harms way is a new low even for Harry’s birth family.

    • Cassie says:

      Meghans podcast last week telling everyone that Harry is her great love and protector ties in with this judgement in my opinion .
      They are pretty savvy with their media .

      I know Harry will cop more negativity because of his interview but as others have said , it’s there for posterity .

      I wish the Sussexes well , they certainly are fighters for justice .
      It’s been a hell of a battle.

    • Blogger says:

      She’s posted a black and white photo of Harry with the kids. 😍

  19. Wow. Warning shots across the bow!! Harry is speaking the TRUTH and it is not going to be good for Chuckles and company. Harry has layed it on the line. He knows who is responsible! Maybe Harry will do another book and add the 400 hundred pages left on the editing room floor. Maybe this time if he does the money will go to his security budget!! I feel for Harry with all the information he has which now proves to him who did what! He now has to come to grips with the fact that his family cares not one bit if he is killed and they are facilitating it!

    • Cassie says:

      Meghans podcast last week telling everyone that Harry is her great love and protector ties in with this judgement in my opinion .
      They are pretty savvy with their media .

      I know Harry will cop more negativity because of his interview but as others have said , it’s there for posterity .

      I wish the Sussexes well , they certainly are fighters for justice .
      It’s been a hell of a battle.

  20. Advisor2U says:

    Charles’ lie about wanting to see his grandchildren has been brutally exposed – he doesn’t give a damn. This so-called bespoke security arrangement is on an “either-or-no invitation” basis – meaning Ravec will only consider proper royal/MET protection at the invitation of the royal family/for a royal event. Charles never invited Harry’s children and wife. That facade has been exposed in this interview. Thank you, Harry.

    If Harry goes to the UK for reasons other than a family event/invitation, he will not have adequate security – he will only be given a phone number to call and the lowest level of security will be considered, which Harry deemed completely inadequate/risky. What a terrible father/monarch.

  21. Dee (2) says:

    This interview and this statement, made me wonder how they were even able to look people in the face in that family. Truly despicable behavior from the start. And none of them want to ever take accountability so I’m sure they tried to pretend they didn’t have anything to do with this reprehensible behavior from people that are supposed to love and support you. I’m glad that Harry is able to get not only all of this out in the open, but able to set the narrative that they clearly want to control.

    The part of the interview about them using security to control other people in
    the family in case they want to do something different is the part that I hope that a lot of people in that country internalize. That little girl who you were wishing happy birthday yesterday if she doesn’t do exactly what her family wants her life could be at risk. You would find that horrific if it was a religion doing that, why don’t you find it horrific that her entire livelihood is controlled by her father and then her older brother?

    Also I agree that the reconciliation part is not him actually being like I wish that my father and brother would be friends with me, it’s him understanding that he has to give a very generic answer that makes it seem like he’s open to talking to them. Otherwise it does present as well why are you trying so hard? I don’t think that he really wants to reconcile with them, he was visibly and clearly angry when the interviewer asked him who was the person making these decisions and he said I’m not going to say who it is. It’s clear that it’s William. He’s been pretty consistent about William for years including when he said 4 years ago that their relationship is space. Him giving a communication expert approved answer about one of the reconcile with his family does not mean that that’s what he’s actually pining to do at home.

    • Nic919 says:

      Yes Harry also mentioned that this also traps people in as much as it keeps them out. If someone in that family does something the monarch doesn’t like then ravec is a shield to cover the fact that the monarch has control over them. Charlotte and Louis be warned.

      Also once William is king he can do the same thing.

    • First comment says:

      Very well said! I also believe William is equally despicable as is their father! All this time we have articles showing him incandescent with Harry, Meghan…how he would treat them even more cruelly than his father (if that’s possible!). The press knows very well William and they are trying to get the truth out there in a way that they wouldn’t lose access to the royals…as far as his own children are concerned, he seems to protect them much better than his father did and I’m pretty sure that having be raised in an environment where they believe that they are much better than others (a notion that both the Middleton and William have for themselves and the the value of their titles), they probably wouldn’t want to be outside the institution… look how the rota prepares the future role of Charlotte (another Anne) … and even if they would, I doubt they would be treated as Harry by their father…

      • sunnyside up says:

        Perhaps it is a good thing that Charles doesn’t want to see his grandchildren, Archie is 6th in line for the throne and under British law the King is officially his guardian and William will be officially guardian to Lilibet when he is king as well.

      • Tessa says:

        Sunnyside William and Charles will never be guardians to harry s and meghans children. Charles is too aged and William and Kate never had anything to do with those children.

      • Nic919 says:

        That guardian thing is incorrect. The monarch cannot control any children that aren’t their own.

      • BeanieBean says:

        🙄 People on here are always acting like the King of England has any say over the lives of American citizens–Harry & Meghan’s children, in this case– quoting all these laws etc., etc. Nonsense.

    • Jais says:

      Yes, when Harry spoke about how the court case has now set up a precedence, it was clear he was referring to the Wales kids. At the end of the day though, RAVEC could just approve security for the Wales kids in ways they haven’t for Harry. As long as William’s people sit on the committee. That said, if ever Louis or Charlotte does something that is not in line with their father’s vision, well, all bets are off. And Harry better than anyone knows William. William seems to love his kids but he’s also a vindictive and terrible person and who knows what the future will bring.

      • Nic919 says:

        Once William is monarch he controls security for his kids and for Kate. She is not as protected as she may think.

  22. Over it says:

    The interview and statement made me get into my feelings. It was gut wrenching. I wish for Harry to get where Meghan has been for years in regards to her bad dad and his children and close that door for ever and never look back. He did more than anyone has a right to expect from him in trying to be a good loving son to Chucky. I draw the line at those people willingly being fine to put his wife, himself and especially his children in danger and not giving a f. That’s a no for me . I can’t and won’t ever care what happens to any of them after I knew that . Period

  23. Maja says:

    This eternal and mouldy argument that he shouldn’t have resigned, then he’d still have everything, is so wrong it hurts. Harry wanted to keep working for the Queen, to become an honorary and financially independent, to escape the argument that as long as the taxpayer is paying for him, he has to put up with all this mean and nasty press protecting the heir to the throne and the Queen, to rake in money with fake, lying scandals and surveillance of the ‘spare’ instead. They have offered no compromise, they have not recognised what the press has done to him, his wife and his child. They threw him out, didn’t they? And then they blackmailed him for good. I just can’t understand why this country and its government tolerate these kinds of contracts that are made over a child’s head that then put the adult’s life in danger forever if he doesn’t submit to these contracts that he never signed.

    • Blogger says:

      The media in Britain is very ill. They gave Brexit, Sussexit…I hope republic is next.

    • kirk says:

      Chuck has always known “what the press has done to him.” Chuck made sure his ‘spare’ son got sacrificed to the media when the reputation of his horsy mistress needed to be rehabilitated.

    • Lover says:

      I agree. The idea that the royal family is “working” for their money is laughable. The money is theirs even if they do no work, and how much they receive is not tied to how much they work — no one imagines that Princess Anne who does the most engagements is getting more money than the lazy Wales family. The issue is not money, but control. The monarch controls the money but also the security, living arrangements, and (via the media) the reputations of every individual RF member. The monarch also gets to control how each family member earns their livelihood, whom they marry, how their children will be treated, and how far they are allowed to operate outside of the institution. If any member strains against this control against the monarch’s whim, however unreasonable that whim is, the monarch can punish that person using any or all of these control mechanisms. It truly is run like a cult.

      • Maja says:

        Does Harry have any rights at all? Or is the king allowed to do whatever he wants with his sons?

        “Forgiveness only comes with the truth” is a very good sentence.

    • Me at home says:

      Andrew gets security but is banned from “work.” Don’t Beatrice and Eugenie get security? And what “work” do they do?

  24. MSJ says:

    “Harry suggests something I believe entirely, which is that Buckingham Palace signaled to other governments that they should leave the Sussexes without security.”

    This played out since they were in Canada in 2020 soon after the Sandringham agreement was announced and when they moved to the USA in 2020. There was extensive media coverage and social media discussions about who would pay for their security. Officials in Canada weighed in if I recall well. Even Donald Trump weighed in. So yes, they were signaling to governments since back then when their UK security was pulled.

    It seems Harry is separating the courtiers’ actions from his family’s actions and somehow convincing himself that the actions taken regarding his security are the courtiers’ heartless machinations and that his family somehow cares for him but is influenced by the courtiers who control him. I think he needs to come to the realization 💡 that the Windsors (his family) are co-signers to the stitch up and that they don’t care to have a relationship with him or his wife and kids.

    I don’t know if he will ever realize that the royal family is essentially a mafia. You’re either in, agreeing to the shit they conspire to do and condone, or you’re out if you disagree. Look at how they treat Andrew who has shamed them time and time again, Charles who has shamed them time and time again, Prince Michael of Kent, Lord Mountbatten, Princess Margaret, Prince Edward. The list goes on. You are in the fold if you’re willing to play the game and be controlled, stay quiet. Princess Diana was not protected because she did not condone their actions.

    I hope if he ever comes to the realization that the Windsors do not care about him that he somehow finds peace because I think the pain may be emotionally devastating. 😢

    • Nic919 says:

      Canadian officials didn’t cut off the RPOs with Harry. They were from the UK and told to leave. Then Charles revealed their location in Canada and they had to leave especially as Covid restrictions ramped up and made trace, difficult.

      That a stranger to them, Tyler Perry stepped up to help was not in the royal plan.

      • MSJ says:

        @NIC929 They did have Canadian security also. It was an extensively covered topic after the Sandringham Summit when the Sussexes were in Canada. It’s also why they couldn’t stay in Canada. They were sitting ducks on an island.

        Here is one source for reference.
        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51636835.amp

      • Advisor2U says:

        Canada did offer them security, in combination with UK MET bodyguards.
        The British tabloids, The Fail in particular (they were the once who exposed their whereabouts on VanCouver Island), appealed to the right-wing politicians to force parliament/government to stop their contribution to H/M/A’s security.
        These same politicians then, a few mounts later, forced the government to give a breakdown of the amount of money spent on H&M&A’s security (which they received and sent to the press, the Fail in particular) when they were in Canada (between November 2019 (before Thanksgiving) until mid-March 2020, when they had to leave in a hurry, because their MET-security was pulled, and Tyler Perry sent his plane to pick them up, and offered them security and his house in California.

    • BeanieBean says:

      Oh, no, I think he gets it. I really do. He’s very good at media, though, and he’s just not going to say outright ‘I hate my father’s guts for what he’s done’.

      • MSJ says:

        @Beaniebean

        I hope you’re right. He looked rather forlorn in the interview. However, when he spoke about reconciliation it’s as if he truly believes his father cares but, preferably, does not know the depth of machinations happening within his Royal Household. He hinted that his father may not want to face the truth so there will likely not be a reconciliation because his father does not take his calls. Although, Harry spoke about truth and reconciliation, I don’t know if Harry is prepared to accept the truth of his father’s feelings (lack of love or care) for him, his wife and his children.

  25. Sharon says:

    It’s really sad his family couldn’t let him be in a “half in/half out” situation like H&M originally suggested. He was never going to be King, so what was so bad about the idea? Because it gave them some freedom? It seems ‘control’ is the main issue here. If they couldn’t keep them in the institution under their control, then they wanted to effectively banish them from the kingdom. Stripped him of all his military honours, kicked him out of his home, gifted by QE herself, removed his security, & left them to fend for themselves at a severe disadvantage. Is this how you treat a loved family member? This was also before any interviews. All because the INSTITUTION wasn’t a good fit for him? But he was still a member of their FAMILY! The RF couldn’t separate the FIRM from the FAMILY itself. Would you not want your son happy & thriving, even if he wasn’t working at the family company? There was no need for the ruthlessness of Charles. He created this mess. Harry, like anyone really, just thought his family would support him finding true happiness, even if it lay outside the kingdom. In the interview, he’s processing this awareness, coming to terms with the reality that they don’t care really if he lives or dies. They never liked his wife, they didn’t want to protect her or support her financially. When tabloids were ruthless, they said nothing. (Again, before any interviews they can use as an excuse for punishing them). Charles forgot he’s not just a King, but a father. He put the firm & his own ambitions over family, lacking any humanity. If he had only wished Harry well, and offered security when Harry & his family visit, then all would be well. It really does read like a Hans Christian Andersen fairytale, which were always dark. And to top it all off, they expected Harry to accept all this & not say a word about it. And now want to punish him further for exposing them, saying he can’t be trusted with their secrets.

    • Blogger says:

      What secrets? There are no secrets in Planet Windsor! There’s always an unnamed source blabbing about their activities. And probably handsomely paid for it and the access.

      But I do get your point. What was that saying? If you keep quiet, they think you enjoyed it?

      So I’m glad Harry is out there – speaking out. They can’t control him any longer. Let’s not forget, he was the most popular royal after QE2. The firm is scared of his popularity because the popularity should be with the monarch or the heir, not the spare.

    • Maja says:

      “The Girl Without Hands” may be from the Brothers Grimm and the miller sells his daughter to the devil for power and wealth, but it also applies to sons, and the daughter who loses her hands and gets silver ones until she finally has her own is the story of overcoming harm by parents who act without conscience and without love.

      https://www.grimmstories.com/language.php?grimm=031&l=en&r=de

    • Daisy says:

      I so agree with you Sharon
      We actually feel so very sorry for Harry.
      We think William and Kate are acting so selfishly and they should be a family to Harry as after all he was in the military and earned his medals.. What has William done …very little in our opinions…except moan about doing Royal duties.. They are very good at having many holidays and not doing their quota of Royal duties.
      We think Harry should come back from USA as he is a really lovely person who has been subjected to a lot of trauma.

      • kirk says:

        “We think Harry should come back from USA…” — Just Harry alone? Notice there’s no mention of Meghan, Archie or Lili.

  26. Tessa says:

    Harry needs to keep addressing how Meghan had been abused. She is in danger as well as the children.

  27. First comment says:

    I watched the interview and I read his statement and I feel for Harry! He fights the good fight! But I can’t believe how much short sighted his “family ” is! Their jealousy and sense of entitlement are beyond compare! And Charles has in Britain the son he deserves! That’s his punishment…

  28. Laura says:

    Have you looked at the Mirror, the Sun etc? They are humiliating Harry when it seems so obvious that what happened should bring discredit on a father and a brother.

    • Tessa says:

      So the dysfunctional royals own the media.

      • Me at home says:

        If nothing else, Charles could have instructed the media to lay off his younger son and Black wife for the past five years. He didn’t.

    • Nic919 says:

      In normal world a father looks to protect his kids and grand kids. What Charles is doing is the opposite.

      All the media coverage reminds me of how Diana was covered from 1995 on. Harry lived this and he knows they will protect the monarch and heir at all costs.

      • Iolanthe says:

        This is pure evil. Not just to shun your own flesh and blood but to put a target on the back of a lovely daughter in law and two babies . Such cruelty has consequences ..Harry should be at peace and surrender everything to the universe which works for your greatest good . It may take five , ten or twenty years but the Windsors will pay for this unnatural behaviour . In fact it seems to be already happening . All the security in the world hadn’t saved them from other threats..like cancer

    • Jais says:

      No, bc I don’t go there and click on those sites. I’m happy to comment on excerpts here but that’s it. And what they think is humiliation does not translate. Harry looks like a warrior protecting his family who also has the ability to discuss reconciliation. Meanwhile, the king hides behind his tabloid cronies and refuses to care about his son and grandkids. So who really looks like the bigger and kinder person despite the silly tabloid headlines? It ain’t the king that’s for sure. And remember, Harry dog walked both of those papers in court. So they’re happy to make him look bad. He cost them money.

    • BeanieBean says:

      Harry won’t be humiliated. They may be attempting that, but he won’t.

  29. sevenblue says:

    They are playing all these games in this age of social media. Can you imagine what they were doing during Diana years? What really happened to Diana in France? Did France get some words from BRF about how they should handle Diana visiting there? Like it was said before, BRF isn’t a family, it is a death cult. You either accept all the abuse, so they can protect their precious heir or they do everything in their power that you die. Living peacefully in another country isn’t an option. That is why they moved their propaganda machine to USA.

    • BeanieBean says:

      My guess the ‘other governments’ Harry spoke of would be the commonwealth nations, so Germany, Colombia, etc. are outside of that & therefore beyond Charles’ reach & that made him apoplectic ’cause he couldn’t do anything about them.

      • sevenblue says:

        But, there were reports that british diplomats were calling Biden’s office about H&M and demanding stuff. I don’t think, they only try to control commonwealth countries. They have trade relations, ambassadors in every country that they can send their request with thinly-veiled threats about relationship between two countries.

      • Magdalena says:

        No, I believe he meant that they contacted pretty much ALL countries with which they have relationships, embassies, etc. That’s why the royal family and their media handlers and contacts were so FURIOUS when H+M got such high-level security in Germany, Colombia, The Netherlands, New York, Canada, etc. That’s why they kept (and still keep) counting the number of cars in the convoy, etc. And that’s why they keep trying to find out where they are staying and how much it costs and who is paying for it. They did that with Colombia, for example, trying to get local politicians riled up about it, but they were soundly slapped down.

  30. QuiteContrary says:

    This interview was gutting, but also brilliant on Harry’s part. He’s laid it out: If, God forbid, something happens to him or Meghan or their children, the world will know who’s responsible.

    And everyone will know it was by design, not just a tragic accident. That there were some in the Royal Household that wanted it to happen.

    I really think the IG board needs to pull out of Birmingham. They shouldn’t want to risk something happening to their founder.

    • Eurydice says:

      Yes, I wish they would pull Birmingham. At the same time, it’s not the veterans’ or the people of Birmingham’s fault that their king is a sh*t.

      • Maja says:

        I think he should have a roaring Invictus celebration in Birmingham with all the veterans behind him. I just hope the Invictus board realise what’s going on and do everything they can to protect Harry. He will come as a fighter and leave as a fighter. With all the pain the country has inflicted on one of its finest sons.

        Heroes are not those who feel no pain, who show no pain, but heroes are those who serve others with their own pain. Prince Harry is a hero. A deep bow.

    • sevenblue says:

      I remember, on Diana’s death anniversary, the morning shows there would usually get a former royal protection officer, telling that if Diana had the royal protection, she wouldn’t die, but the silly woman refused it, because she was paranoid. As you guess, this kind of program stopped when Harry’s security issue got public. We now know there is no way Charles would give royal security to Diana, his ex-wife when he is not providing it for his own son. I hope, all the lies told about Diana hunt their asses.

  31. Me at home says:

    This is a little beside the point now, but why didn’t Harry’s lawyers advise him that RAVEC is outside the normal judicial/legal system? That would have saved him lots of time, money, and public agony. Did Harry and his team want to learn from the discovery process? Is this the next step to asking for government oversight of RAVEC?

    • MSJ says:

      @me at home
      RAVEC is not outside the normal/legal jurisdiction. The appeal was dismissed because the judiciary agreed that RAVEC was justified to make the decision they did specifically for Harry’s ‘bespoke security arrangement’; to pull his security without a Risk Management Board assessment, although they did not follow their SOP, for the reasons the judge listed. The judge gave 4 reasons in his ruling.

      However, the discovery process was helpful for Harry to understand the fullness of the process, other individuals (the cohort) who receive security under RAVEC oversight, as well as the parties involved in the decision making process and who made the decision to craft a ‘bespoke security arrangement’ for him.

    • BeanieBean says:

      Harry needed info & the only way he was going to get it was through the court system. He laid bare & brought to the light all the skullduggery of the BRF.

    • ArtFossil says:

      Because there was no precedent for such a ruling.

    • somebody says:

      Maybe his attorneys didn’t know. The panel that decides for royals seems to be a secretive type thing that bows down to the monarchy. If it is controlled by the monarchy, then it would be outside the judicial system. If they are saying he can’t ask as a regular high-profile individual then they are confirming what they are trying to deny, that he would still fall under royal protection, even as a “non-working” royal.

      • Jais says:

        I don’t think they did. Bc at one point in the interview Harry says he wouldn’t have spent so much on lawyer’s fees had he known. While we weren’t necessarily surprised, I think Harry might have been a little bit shocked. Bc he was asked about a SC appeal and he basically said that there’s no point.

      • MSJ says:

        The attorney and Prince Harry did not know there were Royal Household representatives on the RAVEC committee, however, RAVEC is not outside the normal/legal jurisdiction. The appeal was dismissed because the judiciary agreed that RAVEC was justified to make the decision they did specifically for Harry’s ‘bespoke security arrangement’; to pull his security without a Risk Management Board assessment, although they did not follow their SOP, for the reasons the judge listed. The judge gave 4 reasons in his ruling.

        What seems unusual in his view is that decision about his security (‘bespoke arrangement’) is controlled by the Royal Household recommendations although he is no longer a ‘working Royal’. He said that the RH is his representation on the committee. He said in the interview that he will write to the government to look specifically at his security arrangement instead of through the Royal Household representatives since he is no longer a ‘working Royal’. He now wants his security assessment and security arrangement to be treated like other people with risk who are not royals. The current ‘bespoke’ arrangement denies him a RMB assessment and he is pushing to have them do that for him.

      • Jais says:

        But he is royal, albeit not a working one, so what’s stopping the govt. from just saying no and kicking him back to RAVEC? Seems like a never-ending loop that he’s been thrown into and the court approved it. He was not born a private citizen and they are not treating him like one. And even if an RMB assessment is done, that still doesn’t mean that RAVEC has to follow what it says. They still don’t have to give him security just bc he’s high risk. So maybe I’m misunderstanding.

      • MSJ says:

        Yes, REVAC is the decision maker and will still ultimately decide whatever it wants to decide for Harry. However, Harry is leaving no stones unturned in his pursuit for safety when visiting the UK. He wants the world to see the extent of the stitch up if he still winds up not getting effective security when in the UK. Also, when his children grow up, they will know that he fought for it. His children hopefully will not be gaslighted like he was regarding his mother’s security/safety by those in the establishment who should have borne some responsibility for her death at the hands of the paparazzi but never were held responsible.

        Because of Harry, this is the first time there has been public insight to how RAVEC works. Security for the Royals have always been shrouded in secrecy. No one quite knows the fullness of Andrew’s security arrangement under RAVEC 😏 . Freedom of information requests around the cost of security for Royals have been denied to the media at all times. Harry actually gave some valuable insight around costs that was intentionally falsely reported by tabloid media in the past. An exorbitant amount of £20m is what Harry said was reported in tabloids which he said was ~19x higher than the actual cost of his security. Harry’s pursuit is providing some transparency for the public to view what goes on with RAVEC and Royal security.

  32. s808 says:

    Signaling to other countries to not protect your own child is insanity and extremely evil. Out of everything said, that was the most damning thing. I’m glad other countries are not listening and looking out for themselves cause that is INSANE and if something to H,M or their kids, these countries would be responsible. That would be a nightmare!

    Just…wow. I’m not sure what’s going to happen with IG Birmingham but at least H can close this chapter with everything on the record. He can say he tried and history will have the accounts to back it up.

    • Mayp says:

      Totally agree, and, as I indicated above, to me this was the really big revelation that came out in the interview. Not surprisingly, I have not yet seen any British newspapers bringing up this point. They know that this puts the Royals in a very bad light.

    • Beverley says:

      This astonished me! It’s bad enough to refuse the Sussexes protection in the UK, but it’s completely evil to try to pressure other sovereign nations to leave Harry and Meghan open to mishap and danger.

      It will be difficult for the palace to explain this atrocious direct action of the king against Harry and Meghan and the king’s grandchildren. But at the very least, now it’s obvious to everyone that the king and the British government do not value Harry’s life. And if Charles doesn’t give a damn about Harry, we all know how little he feels for Meghan, Archie, and Lilibet.

      • sevenblue says:

        @Beverley, the former PM, Boris, was praising H&M and how massive of a loss it was to UK when they left, while selling his book. His government was fully supporting this behavior, probably hoping that Harry comes back to continue doing his brother’s job. They know Will won’t do sh*t for UK’s interest apart from saying weird things during official visits. It was interesting that Harry emphasized in his statement that all this happened during former government’s watch.

      • Mayp says:

        💯 Unfortunately, I don’t think that the British Press will hold them to account. Hopefully, the foreign Press will and it is now out there that the vindictive actions of the Royals toward the Sussexes extend beyond their borders and that they mean them harm, at the least enough to try to force them back to the UK for safety and at most their deaths.

        Wow, I never really believed in any of the Diana Was Killed by The Royals conspiracies before but now I do! They may not have outright caused it but they certainly may have sicced the Press on her and set her up to be without adequate.protection

      • s808 says:

        By pressuring other countries to leave them without protection, the BRF are trying to set H,M and their kids up to hurt or better (for them), killed.

        I now have no doubt they did the same to Diana in hopes that what did happen, would, and are hoping for the same ending for the Sussex family. It’s very clear now, especially when the only explanation as to why the Sussexes can’t have OR EVEN PAY for their own security is “we don’t want them to”.

        I’m sure that’s what the purpose of the police chase was about and New York said not on our watch and they’ve gotten adequate security ever since. It must piss off the BRF and BM to no end that they don’t know the Sussexes moves. Can’t cause chaos or set up a hit when you don’t know where the target will be.

  33. Maja says:

    For me, “the other side” is in quotation marks because it is a complex system that does not tolerate any deviation from its members.

  34. ABritGuest says:

    Like in any situation I’m sure there’s stuff Harry could have handled better. BUT this situation has reeked of bias & double standards from the palace initially not wanting Meghan to have security when every senior working royal has this, to immediately yanking Harry’s security contrary to the sandringham agreement whilst Andrew maintained taxpayer security for three years after stepping back (and I wouldn’t be surprised if he still has it in secret). Meghan was treated terribly by the press with the palace’s encouragement- the press themselves said they got nasty stories from them & the palace refused to help when Harry asked for support. We’ve all seen the palace is perfectly capable of pushing back against nasty press/defending its principals. So this is part of why H&M decided they wanted to live elsewhere but still support the Queen when called upon. It was the palace who said half in half out wasn’t permitted- despite the queens cousin doing similar. So please do tell where was Harry at fault in this?

    • sevenblue says:

      Everything the media is crying about is done by other members of the family. Using their titles while not working for the firm, being financially independent and working for the firm when requested, getting taxpayer imbursed renovation on royal property. It is probably more shocking to Harry, because he was inside the system watching other people enjoying all these benefits of being royal, while everything H&M did was headlined as scandal in the media. It is so annoying.

  35. somebody says:

    Brilliant write-up by Harry concerning the issue. He needs to sit down and write another book or 2.

  36. Rita says:

    You just have to check the thousands of YouTube comments on the interview video to confirm the level of vicious and dangerous hatred the British public has for him. I’m so glad Harry put his version out there for all to see, an historical and unerasable document. Amazing interview. Authentic, calm and collected. Be safe, Harry. And try to forget those losers.

    • sevenblue says:

      They are bots. They appear under every video about H&M. Thousands of hate comments in a short amount of time don’t happen. Youtube is one of the platforms the royal bots are used massively.

  37. ParkRunMum says:

    Charles and William are just so…. Loathsome. It’s like that Police song, “in the theatre that is my soul, I always play the starring role.” They thought that they could paint harry as a kind of petulant entitled man child but that’s actually a fairly accurate description of Charles and William. Elizabeth knew Charles would let the side down. I guess she held out hope for William, for a time, but most likely gave up on him too. One bad king, you can kind of shoulder. Two in a row? Who join forces to vilify their own son / brother? Call it a day. Charles looked like being a consolation prize king — and he looked reconciled to it, after all the drama his marriage inflicted on the UK. But no — he wants to be star of the show. Problem is, William was groomed to be star of the show. It’s like watching two decrepit divas tussling over a tiara. And the one person who was never party to this undignified infighting — Harry — is the only one who actually looks like he would take it all in stride, doing the right thing, being of service to the less fortunate, consoling victims of disaster, raising his kids not to be nitwits, etc. William and Charles are not just loony, they’re evil. They both have Princess syndrome. They’re jealous even of their wives, to say nothing of Harry’s wife, which is just ….ick. Ick. Ick.

  38. Kate says:

    “Yeah, the responsibility lies with the same garbage people you’re trying to reconcile with.” Exactly and this is why I will be forever confused. His dad hates him, hates his wife and would love her in the ground and he goes and says that, and that is the headline, that is now fact for the next round of Meghan awful and he’s miserable and wants to come home. Yes they will write it either way but it’s one thing to write it without proof, it’s another when he hands it to them. I see people saying that’s not what he meant. I see people say it’s his family, yes and they hate him and want his wife dead. Please! You can not say this is serious, there is danger, it’s coming from the royal household, then say oh but my pa! Your Pa is not separate from this! I want to understand him and what saying this means, or what he hopes for it do it. Also why not name the name? I’m guessing its link to willy.

    • somebody says:

      He may know more than we do about where the real power lies and that may not be with the monarch. He made excuses for QE also and some things done in her name weren’t on the up-and-up.

    • kirk says:

      Harry was obviously exercising discretion for his own reasons in not releasing names. But there were also a couple of times where he said he had to be careful with nonpublic info. The pat phrase w/b ‘national security’ reasons. Pretty sure Harry was coached by his attorney and her team before the interview.

  39. SURE says:

    I don’t think H was ” close to tears”; he just had a cold .

    As for reconciliation, imagine the reaction if he’d said he didn’t want it? “He doesn’t want reconciliation with his dying father? Then he doesn’t deserve full security!” H’s not stupid.

  40. PJ says:

    How awful to think that you can clandestinely make a decision to strip the security from the son of the current monarch and his family AND then be outraged that other governments don’t blindly follow your lead. If everyone else can read a threat assessment of a former solider from a prominent family and his wife and kids, then I’m sorry RAVEC–you’re just petty and evil.

    I’mSO sad for Prince Harry 🙁

  41. slippers4life says:

    The BM is on an absolute “you can’t have it both ways”, tirade. This HAS to stop being the narrative. The Windsors said that Archie was not going to get security EVEN when they were working senior royals because he would be “too dark” for Charles and Kate. There are plenty of retired politicians, pop stars, dignitaries, etc. who get police protection in the UK because of the threat against them. If there was a specific terrorist threat against any private UK citizen, theyd have police protection. And finally , Harry offered to PAY for this! So basically Charles and Camilla and William and Kate, don’t care if Hary Meghan and their children die and they are successfully gaslighting the UK public to believe that by quitting royal life, he and his family deserve to die and shouldnt be allowed to pay themselves to ensure they don’t die on UK soil. Also, they were totally fine with Archie dying when they said he wasn’t going to get security even when they were working royals. Honestly give your heads a shake and end the monarchy. It’s just evil

    • somebody says:

      They are the ones wanting to have it both ways in not treating him as a regular VIP or as a royal when it comes to security.

  42. Tuni says:

    Harry is so cued up to have done a fantastic interview and write his fantastic response for all to witness 3 hrs after the decision was made public. hot doodly damn class A response. Harry cut everyone off from speculation on his take, Charles response etc. Gave his exact take. The truth is not favorable world wide to RAVEC, the ‘crown’, the brf, monarach, and monarch in waiting – William or Charles. It is downright violent and embarrassing , fraud, abuse of tax payors money. The culpability harry just now outed, of the now transparent violence the brf does to manage its image is so high the fumes are smelled world-wide.

    I heard harry say in the interview and the letter: [my wording] If Harry knew that Ravec is a tax payor funded hit squad, that answers to the monarch and monarch in waiting, he wouldn’t have appealed the RAVEC decision the way he did, he would have gone to the government to challenge Ravec’s actual role at the beginning. It sounds like no one, government /charles on down, was owning up to this or talking about this but the appeal forced disclosures. Now, After discovering the truth , Harry is asking the government to look into Ravec. Called it a problem of the old government. As the government should, since it’s a tax payor committee and should not be a personal hit squad for the monarch and monarch in waiting.

    For years they argued that tax payors can’t pay for Harry’s or Meghan’s security but then the same they’s: the BRF , the old government and RAVEC, force tax payors, to pay for Charles and williams, personal-pocket-hit-squad, RAVEC. Harry’s response is necessary. the tax payers should also insist on getting an answer and force the government to put checks and balances in place on RAVEC. As their government, RAVEC and those judges all work for Charles when needed , not them.

    What harry outed actually answers so much hidden violence the BRF does. Kudos Harry’ for explaining the truth and being transparent immediately after the decision. For your own safety and for the record

  43. GrnieWnie says:

    Truth and Reconciliation Commissions are an instrument of conflict management. They’re used to create an official record, a single history, of the conflict. The aggressors are given immunity in exchange for providing the truth of what occurred to the victims of aggression. Once the truth is established, a reconciliation process can be developed and implemented.

    The US needed a TRC after its civil war. Too bad they didn’t exist, and the absence of a single history — the continuation of revisionist history — has harmed the US.

    Anyway, Harry is absolutely correct: first truth, then reconciliation. But the truth should come from the aggressors, which in this case is the royal family. Naturally, the institution holds itself above the law. It has no place in a liberal democracy, and I guess Harry is feeling the sting of an institution that has long outlived its function.

  44. Jazz Hands says:

    Apologies if this has been posted already. It’s the BBC interviewer’s perspective on Harry.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg9079v13lo.amp

    • Blogger says:

      Thanks for that. And glad to find out her name. She’s been propelled to Martin Bashir-like fame and with it will come some notoriety.

      There’s still hope for the BBC!

      PS the rats will be scouring for the home where there are peacocks. They are such stalkers.

  45. AC says:

    This is a hard interview to watch. Even more disturbing that theyre telling other foreign govts not to give HM security. I’m glad that these countries gave the palace like a FU(which also shows they have no power or influence outside the UK- as many countries are going above and beyond to give HM protection). To me this is a big sign to just move on from the toxicity of that family in the UK. It’s a very big let down now but things happen for a reason and eventually does come around.

  46. ML says:

    Reading a bunch of voices saying Harry is rich and can pay for his own security. The British Royal Family has been wealth hoarding for centuries, has off-shore accounts to increase their wealth, has a say in Parliamentary laws to protect their economic intetests, and they own property which adds to their coffers as well. They far eclipse Harry in wealth–why is there no conversation about making them ALL pay for their own security? And why is there no conversation about atandards?

    Also seeing a lot of people commenting on Harry having left the UK with his family and with a complete lack of intelligence or empathy, they feel like he deserves not to feel safe and be able to return with his family to his homeland! Just flabbergasted at this: If you ask someone if they can leave their friends and family behind and flee without being able to return safely, most people see that as a hardship. I honestly don’t understand why Harry and his family are treated as different. There is a safety issue.

  47. Maja says:

    The photo of Prince Harry with his two children on Meghan’s Instagram channel in black and white.

    So painful, I’m so sorry – he can’t even visit the country anymore. He has to turn away again from what is destroying him – it looks so painfully like his hope for fairness and justice has been destroyed for good.

    And these people who have done all this to him will realise very clearly what it means when a man, a warrior, a good person, a lover turns away. The palaces and the country have failed miserably and definitively.

    He only asked for safety. Only for safety. They have unleashed a year-long hunt, a year-long hatred against him, his wife and his children. What a bottomless failure of these people.

    A big bow and a hug from many people Prince Harry. The world has seen what has happened.

  48. aquarius64 says:

    I haven’t seen the interview but from the excerpts I’ve read it’s heartwrenching. The Windsors are monsters. I hope the karma comes back on the BRF starting with the visit to Canada. Charles is King of Canada and did not stand up to Trump’s Canada becomes the 51st state BS. Trump’s visit to the UK this fall where Charles will dance to Trump’s tune should be fun.

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