As many of you discussed over the weekend, the Mail published a curious piece, all part of the media’s punishment for Prince William and Kate over this Forest Lodge forever-home debacle. The Mail examined, in quite vivid and horrifying terms, the past of the Forest Lodge property, which goes back centuries. First, the Mail asked if William and Kate had done their “due diligence” on the property’s history, then they revealed this (this is only a partial excerpt):
But how much due diligence did the couple do when it came to the history of their 18th-century pile before agreeing to move in? Not too much, it would appear. For I can reveal that Forest Lodge is a house full of dark secrets.
To discover what these are, we must go back to the late 1700s when the lodge was built by Sir Jeffry Wyatville, the architect who rebuilt parts of the ancient Windsor Castle during the reign of King George IV. Sir Jeffry was so taken by his creation, which was originally adorned with an Indian-style cupola, that he considered making it his own home. Instead, the Georgian mansion was bought by a rather less distinguished character, a London-based Scot called Spencer Mackay. Mackay made his money from coffee and rum plantations in Guyana, South America, in the late 18th and early 19th centuries.
Mackay’s priority was to extract as much profit as possible from his lands half a world away and, to this end, he bought hundreds of slaves. They experienced horrendous privations during their long journey by sea from West Africa and, once they arrived on Guyana, even worse horrors awaited them. Brutal whippings were common, as plantation managers sought to force the maximum amount of labour out of exhausted slaves.
In 1823, there was a slave rebellion in the Guyanese region of Demerara, triggered by a mistaken belief that the British parliament had abolished slavery and their freedom was being blocked by colonial rulers. Between 9,000 and 12,000 slaves joined the uprising, dozens of them from Mackay’s plantations. …In the process of putting down the rebellion, up to 500 slaves were killed. And after the insurrection had been defeated, a further 27 slaves were executed on the orders of the British governor, John Murray, with their bodies left to rot in the sun for months as a deterrent to any other slaves considering a fight for freedom. Despite this butchery, when slavery was abolished in 1834, Mackay was compensated for the loss of his slave workforce to the tune of £10 million at today’s prices.
Nobody knows how many died on his watch but, by the time he received the money, he’d moved on from Holly Grove House (the original name of Forest Lodge) to a smart London residence in Harley Street.
This piece of history, if William doesn’t already know it, may come as an unwelcome reminder of the troubled West Indies tour, which he and Kate undertook in March 2022. During a stop at Trench Town, the district of the Jamaican capital of Kingston best-known for being the childhood home of the king of reggae Bob Marley, the royal couple were photographed shaking hands with local children as they pushed their hands through a chain-link fence. The optics were not good as, to some eyes, it looked as if they were greeting people in a prison camp.
It was criticised as a ‘PR misstep’ and a ‘white-saviour parody’ amid the ongoing debate over slavery reparations and increasingly vocal calls for Jamaica to throw off the monarchist yoke. Indeed, the island’s prime minister told the royal couple in an awkward meeting that the country would become a republic, and a government committee in the Bahamas urged the royals to issue ‘a full and formal apology for their crimes against humanity’.
Yes, whatever is happening with William and Kate, it’s gotten so bad that the Mail is openly discussing the Caribbean Flop Tour of 2022, a tour which went so badly, Kate refused to ever travel to a Commonwealth or British-realm country again. And few royalists even speak about it anymore – it’s the Tour Which Cannot Be Mentioned (and also the Tour Which Changed Everything). As for this bloody history of Forest Lodge ownership… it’s horrible, and it feels like Forest Lodge is probably cursed. Now do the royal family’s history in the slave trade, and talk about how much stolen loot they still have.
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The Lazies wish they could enslave black people again. They really are very much a racist family. A white supremacist home for this white supremacist family.
They also kicked out a retired 80-something cardiologist who had Harley Street offices from one of the guardhouses there…they really are making themselves very popular.
I honestly can’t imagine the Wailses caring one bit about the history of the house and connections to slavery. We already know who they are – from we are very much not a racist family to crack baby cocktails to the racist painting they had displayed when the Obamas visited to the way they treated Meghan to the concerns about Archie’s skin color to the Caribbean flop tour (and Kate flinching away from the touch of a Black woman) to them constantly using Black people as props.
I think we can safely say William and Kate feel right at home at Forest Lodge.
I’m sure Carole and Lazy are both cackling that they got the racist house.
I can’t forget the image of the true Lazy with that painting of her face. She looked evil and you can imagine her complaining about “Archie’s skin colour!”
What a loathsome woman.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_Catherine,_Duchess_of_Cambridge
Oh, that’s a terrible portrait. And I thought the cat-got-the-mouse grin in the wedding portraits was terrible.
My goodness that painting looks like an eighties v.c. Andrews novel cover
@Sara You are spot on! It’s the cover for the new VC Andrews instant classic, Echoes of Forest Lodge.
@Moneypenny424 I snorted.
The BRF financially benefited from the trans Atlantic slave trade for 270 years. They are immersed in ill gotten gains everyday of their lives. Of course they don’t care about the history of the house.
Let’s not forget the time W&K quickly threw a lamp or plant or whatever in front of that awful painting in their apartment at KP just before the Obamas visited them. Clearly they didn’t realize in enough time that they should have replaced it with something else from the RF’s vast collection of art (although why they picked it in the first place is still bizarre to me) — but they — or more likely, a staff member— must have realized at some point before the Obamas arrived that it was offensive, so they hastily tried to cover it up. These two are just pathetic.
The one instance that always sticks out to me, was from Harry’s book, I think? It was something or the other, and William was having a “””chat””” with Meghan (read: berating Meghan), and at one point during that, he pointed his pointer finger at Meghan, while sternly saying something.
Meghan was nice about it, and said something like, “Please, don’t point your finger at me,” or some such.
But I was genuinely flabbergasted at the absolute GALL that Baldy McBaldF*ck had, doing that. Meghan was genuinely very nice, and considerate, to respond in such a polite way. But the absolute entitlement, and disrespect, of that one gesture.
That is who Baldy is.
The two years that Kate allowed the press to lie, unchecked, about Meghan having made Kate cry, when in reality the truth was that it was KATE who had made Meghan cry, shows who Kate is.
He is an entitled, intellectually incurious, reactionary windbag. She is also an intellectually incurious bald-faced liar.
Do you honestly believe The Lazies care about the history muchless care about the optics of this? The only optic they care about is not looking like they’re separated and actually have a good relationship. This is all about putting Kate away for good in a house she’ll be satisfied with.
Besides, we all know that neither, Kate especially, care about black people. I honestly don’t think they care if they’re seen as white supremacists.
I would imagine a lot of houses of this era in that country have a similar history. If they truly cared they’d have a heck of a time with any old place & would have to build something new. They don’t care, of course. And that house has zero connection to the Caribbean Disaster Tour but I do enjoy how the DM brought it up anyway. 😏.
And Baldy, after Kate persuaded him to not drop out of St. Andrews after his very first term, switched his major from history, to geography. Because history was too difficult, or some such.
The lazies don’t read their briefs before events so I’m sure they have not researched or even care about the history of this house. They do what they want without a care in the world. Again I dont believe that Peg will live there it will just be Can’t the kids and a place for Ma and Pa Midds to stay for periods of time. Apparently Can’t really didn’t mind being called a racist so it tracks she could care less about the history of this house.
I believe that Camilla once said that neither one of them had ever picked up a book so I strongly agree that they could care less about the history or read about it. Past behavior is a mirror of future behavior.
Of course they don’t care and do any royal properties or royal wealth stand up to scrutiny if you go looking? Doubtful.
But what is interesting is that the press are angry and are coming up with stories like this.
Knives are out! I don’t even like popcorn – but I have it ready. Loads of it!
That’s definitely the interesting part to me as well
Exactly! The level of pettiness in this story is something we usually only see reserved for articles on the Sussexes.
Hopefully the recent negative articles about W&K are getting TONS of clicks, ensuring that they’ll continue (:
Ironic that the Daily Fail decided to write this critical article about the racist lazies! Given their relentless smearing of Meghan Sussex over the years, that paper has a seriously racist reputation. So this article is about letting W & K know that they’re mad at them at the moment! The entire royal family’s ancestry is chock full of horrendous racist slaughter & pillage! So there’s nothing surprising there :(((
I can only imagine any response to this will be summed up as: didn’t know, don’t care.
She just needs to wear the Melania I don’t care jacket to complete the image.
Those folks do not do research, do not care. They just grab.
What a horrifying history. I’d imagine lots of old houses have similar stories though considering how all that wealth was gotten.
I was thinking this, too! I would imagine that many homes from that era were built with riches gained by the brutal treatment of slaves.
Is that not the history of all those old buildings though? I mean, their entire empire is financed through colonization and the slave trade, not just that one house done by that one guy. Lol.
Oh please, they can just spare me the pearl clutching. Nobody minded the history of the house when it was purchased for the Crown from Mackay. Nobody minded the Crown collecting rent on the property for the 200 years since then. Suddenly, now they’re all “oooh, slavery”? Absolutely not. This is an excuse to bring up the Caribbean Flop Tour – I wonder who is behind this and why.
Well at least they are not denying how bad that tour was – in comparison to the Sussexes string of successful royal tours.
I’m still 😂 that the Lazies haven’t gone on a foreign tour since that disaster. Such fragile little numpties. The more they retreat, the worse they look.
Bringing up the Caribbean tour is funny. Idk if the DM is just mad at being scooped by the Sun or what. They are getting nothing good from the Wales and they still have Harry’s case to contend with. I think Elton John and Doreen Laurence are still part of that suit as well. So maybe it’s all just bubbling up with a few extra cauldron stirs from Camilla.
I love the imagery of your last sentence!
I feel like bringing up the Caribbean tour is the media showing W&K that they are NOT playing around — that they are pissed, and something needs to change. It’s like the throwing down of a gauntlet or something.
The BM *never* mentions that tour anymore. It was W&K’s worst moment as “working” (lmao) royals, and the press typically would not want to remind the public that it ever even happened.
I imagine there are quite few gauntlets, and the Flop Carib #princewilliambreakuptour is just the first one. There will be a run on popcorn.
Lazy’s striped dress has always been my favorite of hers, so colorful. I think the horizontal stripes make her look a tiny bit less skeletal. Thanks also for the refresher on the green GWTW dress. I always thought the neckline was like boa feathers until now. Now I see it is fabric. There can never be enough Caribbean Tour reruns for me! Thank you for the outstanding photo selections. They warm the cockle burrs of my heart.
A fresh house, a fresh start to leave the bad memories of cancer behind – or is it? Another previous occupant of the house commited suicide in Forest Lodge in the 1970s. He shot himself in his bedroom because he had terminal cancer of the bladder. (This was also in the article quoted above). A fascinating link with the future lady of the house!
In this case, Kate is likely to have an “accident.”
Shades of Amy Robsart!
A few comments –
1) the Waleses just don’t care. You could probably tell them slaves had died in Forest Lodge itself and they would not care.
2) I doubt that’s the only property on the Crown estate with past owners who were also slaveowners. So back to the idea of them not caring because they have to live somewhere, right? (that’s their mindset I’m sure, not mine.)
3) the royal family itself doesn’t have clean hands when it comes to the slave trade, colonialism, stolen valuables from other countries, etc. So again, back to them not caring because they don’t. They think these things are their due.
NOW all that said – the interesting part is how hard the DM is going in on this. The press is really pissed at them – is it just over Forest Lodge? The press had to twist itself into pretzels to defend Adelaide, so now do they feel stupid again because the waleses are moving yet again? Is this about missing the VJ Day events? Is this because the press knows this move is related to marriage troubles and they’re getting frustrated that they have to keep their mouths shut?
Whatever it is……I haven’t seen the press tear the Waleses apart like this in quite some time. I think the India/Bhutan tour and then william’s dad dancing in Switzerland was the last time we saw this kind of negative onslaught.
Even if they did care there would be nothing they could do about it. As you say, it’s in the history of the entire family and all its possessions.
But you know who else doesn’t care? The Daily Mail. And I’m with you on wondering what’s behind all these attacks.
I hope it’s their MIA at VJ80 because that would mean the military establishment were and are furious with them.
They are their hard core supporters – if you lose their support, the Windsors are fucked. How can you expect service personnel to respect Willy when he can’t be arsed to attend an important event for them? Leadership comes from the top and Willy is no leader. Jason should have pressured him to appear.
I agree the story is not the racism but the DM digging that up. Also the suicide because of cancer is quite the dig too.
That Toby guy who works for Charles comes from the DM. I wouldn’t be surprised this was a Camilla special.
@Becks, ITA, and imo, the reason for the negative coverage isn’t just about the move or about them tweeting instead of attending the ceremony last week, but about years of passive aggressive bullish!t from W&K finally adding up enough to piss off the media.
The Waleses simply aren’t giving them *anything* to work with anymore. Kate rarely travels with William anymore, or does “tiara events,” and they routinely skip events like the BAFTAs, which in the past would have ensured the tabloids glossy photos for their front pages. (She doesn’t even attend friends’ weddings with William, fgs.) They haven’t done a proper tour in *years*, and it doesn’t sound like they plan to resume them anytime soon, if ever. Clearly, Kate is going to use the cancer or a “bad day” to get out of doing anything she doesn’t want to do going forward.
And I’ve mentioned this before, but they even started posting stuff like the kids’ birthday photos themselves on their own social media accounts, when they used to give those photos to the BM as “exclusives.” Continuing to give those photos to the press would be such an easy win for them, but they’re depriving the tabloids of absolutely any content. Same with Kate’s ridiculous videos.
The press was extremely…generous when W&K both disappeared for basically an entire year because of Kate’s illness, and they made all sorts of excuses for why William *also* had to take a freaking year off. But by now, when Kate has shown she’s fine to go on numerous ski vacations and sit out in the sun at Wimbledon, they can’t hide anymore how angry they are. W&K aren’t keeping up their end of the bargain, at all.
As you said, the BM has twisted themselves into pretzels for years now with all sorts of excuses for W&K’s laziness and failure to deliver, claiming the need to give them “privacy,” including still referring to them as a “young family” even though W&K are in their mid-forties, ffs, and insisting that Kate is “still learning” and “coming into her own,” blah blah. But the more time that passes, the more obvious it becomes that W&K do not intend to EVER step up and do more— I mean, William has flat-out said that he plans to be a work-from-home monarch! They’re doing less than ever, even though they’re getting more ££ now than they ever used to. And that leaves the press screwed. Especially since the repetitive Sussex-bashing articles have gotten old, and likely garner far fewer clicks than they did five years ago.
Even though W&K aren’t super young or glamorous anymore, they’re the best that the BM has and everyone knows it. So they’re finally lashing out a bit. It will be interesting to see how W&K react. Something tells me that stubborn-ass William will not want to allow his behavior to be seen as dictated in any way by the press, and will only dig his heels in further, but who knows.
@Lorelei I think this is pretty spot on. When the Waleses were lazy but still showed up sometimes for the glamorous events – BAFTAs, Ascot etc – that at least gave them something to talk about, even if it was “look Kate is wearing another lacy doily.”
They’re not even giving them those appearances anymore. Now that I’m typing this out – I’ve been saying its the one-two punch of missing VJDay timed with the new house announcement that is setting the press off – but I wonder if this started back with Kate missing Ascot. No one really cares about the minor royals at Ascot outside of Tatler. The press thought they were getting Kate – they’re experts at this point at writing 20 articles about one appearance from her – from her buttons to her hats to her superiority over Meghan (lmao) to festive glances to how William must adore her because he didn’t run screaming from the carriage when she appeared.
But the Waleses are depriving them of even those appearances. Kate attended one garden party this year – in past years she would have attended maybe 2 (not all of them, but more than one.) Neither she nor William are giving the press anything and there’s only so many ways they can stretch out Wimbledon from almost two months ago.
W&K are NOT holding up their end of the bargain – they haven’t ever really but its just so much more obvious with H&M happy and thriving over in California. The anti-Sussex hit pieces have lost a LOT of weight thanks to Meghan’s social media presence, and because sales numbers don’t really lie. People know she’s successful and doing well. So is Harry. So while the Edens and Tomineys of the world are going to try really hard to defend W&K and hate on H&M – the hits aren’t landing the way they used to.
So what else do they have to write about? The Edinburghs? No one cares about Sofiesta – that was the entire point of that comment.
So the press may just finally have had enough with the lack of content from the Waleses. I wonder if we’ll get a Back to School picture with all three of them on Wednesday?
TBF all the British Palaces, Castles and Mansions have deep connections or are built on the profits with/of colonialism, slavery and probably hiding a lot of bodies of the families living in these residencies. Following the DM’s logic of the DM Willi and Kate or even none of the other royal family member can ever live in one of the Palaces such a Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle and so on because all of them are built on the misery of other people. Where should the royal family live according to the DM?
The DM is very selective in their history lesson. They are still p***ed off that Willi and Kate lied to them and that they did not get the exclusive. Willi and Kate are breaking the contract “we pay, you pose”. The DM reminds Willi and Kate that they still need the press to support their future as King and Queen.
That’s what I was thinking. Many fortunes were made through plantation slave labor in the Caribbean and Latin America in the 18th and early 19th centuries. The slave owners were compensated when it was abolished, and the money that they had already made was certainly not taken from them. I am sure that plenty of people in Britain today are still benefitting,, in some way or another, from the wealth that was generated by slavery.
I feel second-hand embarrassment looking at those flop tour pictures. And I’m really surprised the press is not easing up on them. Blow after blow, really.
@Smart&Messy, it couldn’t happen to a nicer, more deserving couple 🙃
Yikes — I wonder if this Lodge IS cursed. With that type of history and this particular family moving in, who knows what sort of bumps they will hear in the night.
Woww, no mention of H&M or “Kate’s ancestor actually freed Meghan’s ancestors 😭😭”, it looks like Daily Mail is really angry with W&K.
LOL yeah I remember when they said Meghan should personally thank Kate for what that ancestor did. Also, that “ancestor” never had children so Kate is not her direct descendant. And she didn’t free anyone, all she did was attend a dinner party that happened to be attended by someone else who actually did something about slavery. But typical Middleton move to try to claim credit for work they didn’t do.
WHAT? Somehow I missed this positively inane-sounding story 😭
@Lorelei , lol. Have fun, check out the tweets in the article too 😭😭
https://www.celebitchy.com/813064/dm_princess_kate_cant_be_racist_because_her_distant_relative_was_an_abolitionist/
That house seems perfect for them and right in keeping with their values. The press is pissed at them but the BM have no one but themselves to blame. They coddled the heir no one cares about – he’s lazy and boring and uninspired and so is his wife. They ran out the Royals who were interesting, dynamic, and making a difference in the world. Now the press are left with nothing but misplaced jam criticisms and regret so they are turning on Will and Kate. We’re to believe all of a sudden the press cares about slavery or Black people. GTFOH.
The BM have no one but themselves to blame. May it be a loooong ass lineage of boring bland gluten and sugar free mayonaise and “Sophie is the secret weapon and star of the family” coverage. Perhaps they shouldn’t have had their knickers in a twist over invented and imagined broken protocols when the beautiful, accomplished, hard working and competent Black Duchess showed up on the scene… Enjoy your mayonnaise assholes! I hear it’s great on porridge. Dumb asses!
Maybe they can move over to Forest Lodge that nice painting that’s been hanging in the living room in 1A at KP. Given FL’s history, the painting would fit right in.
Exactly windyriver! This is precisely who they are.
It’s amazing that they had their pick of the RF’s enormous art collection and they picked THAT painting. I mean JFC
Spot on Lorelei! yep. No coincidence they chose that one.
It’s a nice enough painting of horses and dogs, pretty typical of it’s era and type, and my theory was, that’s why it was selected (so aristocratic). Probably that’s all W&K saw, horses and dogs, and didn’t cross their minds there could be a question around the young boy holding the horses. Likewise, apparently no one was bothered by the very specific title of the picture on the plate affixed to the bottom of the frame. At least, not until the Obamas came over to visit, and someone realized it was a good idea to shove a plant in front of the title plate. Because that made everything alright. Note too the title has officially been changed to something more benign in the listing in the Royal Collection index.
My alternative theory was, they chose the painting because they needed something big enough for the wall space. With W&K, that’s as likely as anything.
Just because we haven’t heard them say the n word doesn’t mean they aren’t racist as hell.
Anyone thinking the painting especially with the name plate was acceptable is racist.
The skin colour comment from kate only confirms it. Plus she actually recoiled from the touch of a black Jamaican official. And Kate has never done a tour on the African continent and the flop tour was almost a decade into the marriage.
This house’s history is yikes. Will their next forever home be the LaLaurie House in NOLA?
This blowback is definitely about the VJ80 absence, but also, I think the journos definitely know something is up with the marriage itself.
I wonder if Charles is directing this? All the “William is too normal to live in a castle” might have Pa mad. Especially if William secretly stays in the castles without Kate.
Spencer Mackay lived in Forest Lodge for 25 years out of its 250-year history. The problem isn’t the house – it’s Mackay himself and the British government that paid him 10 million pounds in reparation. That’s something the RF can’t escape no matter where they decide to live.
Honestly, I hope that Charles has something to do with it— it would be the most backbone that Chuck has shown in decades, if so.
I’m very surprised that the Mail actually mentioned the payout Mackay got. The Brits hate mentioning the fact that they paid out millions to SLAVE OWNERS when slavery ended; it doesn’t jive well with their “we ender slavery so we can never be racist” bs. It also makes the way they, other Europeans, and white Americans get so offended at the thought of reparations to the descendents of the enslaved look even more ridiculous. They must be really pissed at Work Shy Willy to go there.
They’re so full of s**t honestly. They and other white Europeans brought chattel slavery to the so called “New World,” including the United States, but refuse to acknowledge their role in its persistence in their former colonies for several decades after they abolished it. In the scheme of things, those 30-something years were not very long. And they didn’t give up the money they made from slavery and even got paid back for the human being that they owned who were “taken” from them.
Daaaammmmm the Mail is PISSED at the Waleses for something to run a piece like this. And WLM season 2 is our today and everything.
The difference in Kate’s face in 3 years is astonishing to say the least.
Bringing up the flop tour is an interesting move. Those photos remind me of how weird she acted the whole time. Was that when they figured out she needed to be medicated? Or was she self-medicating because she had to be around Peg? The move to Adelaide was after the tour, so it was certainly the start of whatever is happening now.
That daily fail excerpt legit made me laugh. Like, all the gory, horrific history of the original owner, the reminder of all the generational old money wealth being ill-gotten gains from the evil slave trade, to the abrupt, unsubtle segue to trolling Will and Kate directly by bringing up the disastrous colonial cosplay Caribbean flop tour.
These people depend on one another for their livelihoods as much as they hate each other. It’s so toxic and petty and hilarious when they are fed up enough to form a circular firing squad.
Many commentators have already pointed this out but it bears repeating that the royal family itself has an ugly history with the slave trade, not to mention the ugly history of colonialism. And it’s safe to assume that none of these expensive properties they own which go back centuries are free from taint. So, the DM is deliberately trying to embarrass them over this property. I’d say they’re beyond embassment on this subject. However, William will be incandescent with rage anyway.
this is to reply to @Chelsea, above. Yes!!!! Sam Knight wrote a piece about this for the New Yorker a few years ago, in which it was revealed not only that the UK paid reparations to the slave *owners* but to their descendants, and that these payments were made by instalment (such was the value of the slaves who were “freed” by an act of Parliament throughout the Empire) that those payments continued until….. 2015. That’s right, 2015. I think the original legislation was passed in 1807 or 1830 (fuzzy, apologies) ….which means that the descendants of the descendants of the descendants of the descendants, etc., were *still* receiving compensation for having lost “their” property — the slaves — long after anyone might have ever conceived this debt in good faith. To constitute restitution for ownership of another human being. I mean. Really. And it does set an astonishing parallel precedent for reparations. I mean. If two centuries were the term of the debt due to slave *owners*, how long would it take to pay off the descendants of slaves? And how would you trace their lineage? I always thought the most fascinating thing about a reparations project would be the due diligence, like, trace the family tree to the present day of every African enslaved person. It would eat up a good chunk of the reparations budget, but it would restore the humanity and individual identities of the people involved. That would be worthwhile. As would reparations. IMHO.
Payment to the slave owners and their descendants was how the British even agreed to ending the slave trade in 1834.
And it wasn’t instant abolition either.
I had no idea the payments went on for that long. Bloody hypocrites. I know there is persistent and pervasive racism in the United States but the way the Brits try to sanitize their own history is really something else.
I’d be too terrified to sleep there, let alone reside there with my children. I’m getting Rebecca vibes, I feel like something bad is going to happen.
I’m getting Nottoway Plantation vibes, actually.
I hope Forest Lodge is haunted … Kate and William deserve to be haunted for their treatment of Meghan.
And yeah, the DM has its knives out for the Waleses. I’m so here for it.
It’s way past time that the knives came out, imo. The BM has been covering for these two arrogant layabouts for years and years, and it’s been tiresome to watch. It’s about time they faced some consequences for their behavior.
But what the hell? Didn’t Trump say “slavery wasn’t so bad?” They will have that to talk about when he comes for a state visit next month. Also, the mass enslavement of Black people is really nothing compared to the time Kate had to go on the same event as Meghan. And the poor sausage was even forced to lunge at Meghan in hatred and fear. Kate’s horrible experience with Meghan is EASILY worse than slavery in the U.S. or anywhere else!
This is rich coming from the DM given that they have refused to acknowledge the British Government and Royal Family’s role in slavery in the past.
I’m willing to be the only “research” they did was checking that the place had X number of bedrooms, a tennis court, and was sufficiently remote enough to hide the fact that William is never going to be there.
Wow. 😧 That was just like the hit pieces they used to do on Meghan😂
It’s appalling that they didn’t take down the painting before the very generous visit of the first black President of the United States. I wonder what Michelle thought about the whole thing in retrospect. I dunno, clueless two. I’m reminded of Jill Biden’s confusion when she and Kate visited a school together and Kate was vocalizing but not making any sense. What truly is their purpose?
As others have pointed out, it’s not the only grand old house in England that was built, owned, or financed slave owners and their descendants, who were able to keep all of their blood money and were even paid back for their lost “property” after emancipation.
I like Jane Austen as much as anyone, but it can’t be denied that at least one of her romantic heroes probably made his money through slavery. Colonel Brandon in “Sense And Sensibility” was a second son who went to the Caribbean and made his fortune there. It wasn’t from military pay. And how did the hero in “Persuasion” make his money? Wasn’t he a sea captain who built a fortune and then returned to the heroine?
Sorry, I digress. That’s what comes from reading “Longbourne.”
This DM article wasn’t just about a slavery/racism connection. It also detailed a suicide by gunshot and a link to Princess Margaret’s breakup. The DM is stirring the rumour pot.
The knives are well and truly out at the DM. You could say most of these things about all of the properties on the Windsor estate, or any properties owned by the Crown estate from the 18th or 19th centuries. They all have dodgy pasts. They are digging this up to take another blow to W&K and are continuing to ride the ‘They’re lazy, they don’t want to work and they’re hiding from their responsibilities’ wave.