In early May, a UK court rejected Prince Harry’s efforts to gain any kind of police protection for himself and his family within the UK. The Sussexes’ security was yanked in early 2020, partially as punishment for exiting the UK and partially as punishment for Harry’s lawsuits against the British press. The withdrawal of the Sussexes’ security was never about the actual threat-level or danger they faced in the UK. Which is bonkers to say out loud – a national security apparatus has no interest in protecting individuals under extreme risk, simply because the childishly deranged Windsors are mad that they can’t control a young family. Harry correctly called this an “Establishment stitch-up,” and security experts in the UK agree. Well, when Harry was in the UK last month, a stalker came within a few feet of Harry at two of his events. Harry had no police protection for the majority of his time during the visit. So once again, Harry is requesting that Ravec order a risk-assessment:
The Duke of Sussex has revived his security battle with the Home Office by writing to the home secretary, Shabana Mahmood, about his case. A formal request has been lodged by the prince with the Royal and VIP Executive Committee (Ravec) which is overseen by the Home Office, asking for a risk-assessment process to be conducted.
Sources close to the process confirm that Harry has written to Mahmood, having previously been in correspondence with her predecessor, Yvette Cooper. A source close to the duke said that while he recognises his case will not be top of Mahmood’s priority list, he has asked for Ravec to “abide by its own rules” — that a risk management board (RMB) should be conducted for each member of the royal family and other qualifying VIPs every year.
“I can confirm that the duke has written to the new Home Secretary asking for a risk management board to be conducted,” the source said. “While he realises this will not be top of the incoming secretary’s in-tray it is something which should have happened a long time ago. We have had the can kicked down the road for quite a while now but all he’s asking is for Ravec to abide by its own rules which state that an RMB should be conducted each year. The last one for the duke was in 2019.”
Harry used his Ravec legal actions to understand how Ravec functions, to learn who sits on the committee and how they make their decisions. He’s pointing out that Ravec has failed to adhere to their own charter, their own regulations and rules. He’s once again appealing to a government official to break from the Establishment stitch-up and simply do a risk assessment. As you can imagine, this formal request has gone over poorly within the Establishment. Within 24 hours, King Charles and his courtiers (some of whom sit on Ravec) went to Roya Nikkhah at the Times with this:
The Duke of Sussex’s renewal of his battle with the government over security risks derailing his reconciliation with the King. Sources close to the monarch said Prince Harry’s decision to lobby Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, asking for his taxpayer-funded security in the UK to be reviewed “complicates things for the King”.
Harry currently receives “bespoke” protection on a case-by-case basis when he visits the UK after he lost his right to automatic round-the-clock security when he stepped back from royal life and moved to America in 2020. His letter to Mahmood, which was revealed on Friday, will once again make the King wary of contact with his younger son.
“It’s not going to help matters,” said a royal source. “We’re back to where we were.”
In September, the King, 76, and the duke, 41, met for the first time in 19 months, over a private 50-minute tea at Clarence House, following Harry’s pleas for “reconciliation” with his family after losing his legal battle with the government in May.
A royal source said: “The King cannot and will not lobby, that’s inappropriate. His representatives cannot advocate for policy outcomes, particularly in relation to his own family. The royal household representative on the Royal and VIP executive committee [Ravec], overseen by the Home Office, is not there to advocate a position for a member of the royal family. They are purely there as a liaison to the household.”
The source added: “If you put yourself in the mind of a father who is repeatedly told he should and could intervene, that is not very helpful, complicates matters and shows a lack of understanding about the reality of the situation.”
But sources close to the duke have repeatedly said he feels his father should intervene in the process. In an interview after the Court of Appeal ruling against him in May, the duke described the judgment as “a good old-fashioned establishment stitch up”, and told the BBC: “I don’t know how much longer my father has. He won’t speak to me because of this security stuff.”
Harry is only asking for a risk assessment, and this is the reaction. Mind-boggling. He’s only asking for Ravec to adhere to their own rules and the palace immediately rushes to threaten Harry with what amounts to “if you continue pursuing this, we won’t let you see your father again!” Besides which, Harry is correct! About all of it! Charles could intervene, and Charles’s courtiers could intervene and ensure the Sussexes’ security for a visit. Just like they intervened to withdraw the protection!!
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How dare he ask to be kept safe in the country of his birth!! The unmitigated gaul asking for a review of the rules and regulations that are not being followed!! I fear for his safety when Invictus is in town. I hope he will be protected.
He’s not asking them for a review of their rules.
He’s asking them to do a risk assessment, as required by their own charter, rules. They are supposed to do one regarding him annually (as a member of the royal family, high profile person) but they haven’t since 2019.
Either way the rules are being broken by not doing the assessment.
If this situation isn’t resolved, Prince Harry needs to pull the Invictus Games, scheduled to take place in the UK. He can legitimately cite high security concerns.
So …..
The IG are being held in the UK in 2027.
Harry formally petitioned the correct governmental department for a risk assessment, both to visit and likely as a part of the lead up to IG 27. Harry is a veteran who still tops terrorist kill lists world wide due to his military service for his country.
And now, his father, the King of the entire ass commonwealth, the head of the government, and the commander in chief to the entire military says that Harry has ruined any chance of the King and Harry reconciling because Harry has asked for a security evaluation.
Harry asking to be safe and protected in his own country means the king wants nothing to do with his child. Because he doesn’t want his child to be safe or protected.
This is correct and just so sad. I can’t imagine a father not wanting his son, and his son’s family, to be safe. What the hell is wrong with Charles? Does he really want another event like what with happened with Diana? Doesn’t he realize that if the worst happened, that his reign and the monarchy would effectively be over?
Your final paragraph made my stomach turn that a parent would have no regard or concern about their child and his family’s lives. It’s the same stomach churning that happened when I heard that he removed their security soon after the left the UK, even though he knew there were credible threats of harm and worse against them and their infant son and when he made the most vile comment about how the UK wouldn’t care if something were to happen to his own son. Charles is evil and doesn’t deserve to have Harry as a son, Meghan as a DIL and Archie and Lilibet Diana as grandchildren.
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Even if Charles doesn’t care about Harry’s safety (vile, but a separate discussion), he should be smart enough to know that that monarchy might not survive another high-profile, suspicious death like Diana’s. KFC must remember how terrible the fallout was (and decades later, many people STILL suspect the BRF was behind it), and you’d think he’d give Harry — and his family — the security he needs even if it was only for selfish reasons — to prevent such a scandal during his short reign.
I still cannot believe England got the IG this year. Why were they even in the running?? With all of the cities worldwide that would be thrilled to host the games and give the Sussexes whatever security they required, they ended up back in the UK? I mean, JFC
Don’t forget the depressed American man who drove all night and made it onto the patio of Montecito house. A stalker lady was within a few feet of him 2x last week. The Queen was shot at during a parade and Princess Anne was kidnapped!!!
https://www.tatler.com/article/princess-annes-bodyguard-remembers-1974-kidnap-attempt
The Queen also had a guy sneak into the castle–Buck House or Windsor, not sure–who made it all the way into her bedroom & sat on her bed. She kept him talking until security arrived.
What a bunch of tools. #TeamHarry
Charles could have intervened a long time ago. What a petty man
I mean, Charles DID intervene a long time ago, right?
That’s WHY Ravec denied Harry security way back when, and why they haven’t conducted a review since 2019 – because Charles’s camp told them not to give him security.
That’s why they’re big mad: bc they see it as Harry trying to undermine Charles’ requests.
What they don’t realize (unfathomably; they must have their heads so far up their behinds to miss this) is that to everyone else, this reads as “Harry asks for safety and security, so Charles says reconciliation is now out the window.”
Yep. Charles DID intervene. And I wonder if part of that was when they were trying to force Harry back. But they failed. So why keep on this way? Why not come up with a fair and humane solution? Oh yeah, ego and a lack of basic humanity.
They are fools. This feels to me like Charles’s team dont really care anymore about what the king wants or he thinks, they do as they wish and as what they think will be best for themselves and lazy willy as they take over soon. I don’t think this is charles words. At his age and health position, he doesn’t give a fck about the reassessment harry asked for, if anything he asked him to do it before he kicks the can, against his grey men’s will.
Watch people’s actions not their words.
Charles gleefully pulled Harry’s security while telling the world where Harry was.
Charles evicted his son out of the home given to his son as a wedding present by the Queen. Harry had a valid lease for and was paying market value rent on the house.
Charles has blocked Harry from obtaining security while in the UK and has asked other nations to not provide Harry with the security that he needs due to his military service and his birth.
Charles refused to let Harry wear his military uniform at the funeral of Harry’s grandmother, who had been his commander in chief, while Charles and the rest of the rotten bunch wore uniforms they never earned with medals obtained for doing nothing.
Charles has created and fed a media champaign of lies and hatred against Harry since Harry was in high school.
Charles went full scorched earth wild fire in the media against Harry and Meghan once Harry made it known he was seriously dating a black woman.
The focused hatred and bile expanded to include Harry’s children and to be focused primarily on his wife.
Charles could stop or fix any of these things at a moments notice. He has not.
The men in grey know exactly how Charles feels and are acting in alignment with his hatred and the destruction he wants for his son and his son’s family.
Charles is evil. Dont forget it. He acts all old and confused and torn in the media – he wants so badly to reconcile with his son! But his son keeps doing hurtful things, like being successful! And helping people! And actually making a difference! And being happily married! – but that’s simply PR. He’s the king. He can reconcile with who he wants when he wants.
Harry isn’t miserable and small and stone hearted like Charles and Charles will never forgive him for it.
Charles is a POS for sure. But he’s always been a POS who cares about his public image, so I continue to be shocked at his treatment of Harry. He must be so surrounded by Harry naysayers and constantly seeing those stupid weekly “UGov” polls that claim Harry is unpopular in the UK, so in Charles’s little bubble, he must not realize how absolutely *catastrophic* it would be for the monarchy — and for him personally —if any harm came to Harry?
It seems impossible to me that Charles couldn’t foresee how permanently damaging it would be for himself and his image, legacy, etc., (which we know is all he really cares about at the end of the day) if anything happened to Harry while he was in the UK, but maybe KFC’s age, coupled with his health problems and almost two full years of grueling treatments, have affected his ability to see the situation clearly? IDK, but I hope that Harry does whatever is necessary to keep himself safe, even if it means missing the IG this year, which would surely kill him a little inside, but if RAVEC denies him security *again*, it might come to that. Poor Harry.
Charles could solve all of this with one phone call, but chooses not to. He is such a piece of work, it’s unreal. He’s also incredibly shortsighted IMO.
DouchesofCambridge, I agree with you. I feel it’s more the people behind the scenes making these decisions and statements, i.e. Alderton, who’s also appeasing William, who will soon become King, that is really behind these machinations. Charles has always had a weak character, and now with the cancer, his body and mind is probably feeling weak as well, so he lets it happen.
The willful obstruction of standard UK security procedures by the King, his courtiers, and Palace staff continues to amaze and appall.
Tyler was right. This is how abusers behave.
Charles is an abuser. He has abused his first wife, his youngest son, his staff and his animals (there’s an old video where he hits his polo horse with a closed fist).
He is such a petty tyrant. Remember his snit over a pen? How dare that pen not work?
He punched a horse?? I can see using a whip, but a punch? Serious anger management issues for both father and first son.
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He did indeed. I was shocked when I saw the video. It was in the middle of a game and his team seems to have lost a point (or play) and he just punches his horse in its neck from his place in the saddle.
He also ripped a sink off the wall because he dropped his cufflink down the drain.
He’s a petty tyrant with no emotional regulation. I bet he insisted the pen be burnt up in a fire.
I feel so bad for Harry. He wants love…. And all he gets is “whatever that means…”
Harry got the best of Diana. William got the worst of Charles.
I didn’t think I would live to see this play out… but it’s pretty clear where it’s all going. We’ll see!
Between security for his family and not seeing his other family choice is a no brainer. Hope ravec does its job.
If this doesn’t prove that they want him silenced exactly how they silenced his mother I don’t know what does…. There is absolutely no other reason to deny Prince Harry and his family the security they deserve to be as safe as possible.
Harry won’t be able to see Charles again if his stalker manages to end his life, either. I wish he’d tell the UK to go eff themselves. And then tweet these direct quotes the next time the media pretends not to know why he and Meghan can go to France but not England.
So it’s not even just for members of the royal family, but for VIPs as well. And all he’s asking for is a risk assessment, not even necessarily that you provide him with security. He just wants you to tell him how much danger is he in so that his team can prepare appropriately, and the answer still no? Why? I mean I know why, but what reasonable reason can you give to pretend that he doesn’t deserve one as a royal nor as a VIP?
Even discounting the stalker event from a month ago, they really want us to believe that Harry is under less of a threat than some actor on a popular TV show? And that it’s such a miniscule threat level to him that he doesn’t deserve security, police protection, nor even a risk assessment? How are they saying this with a straight face.
@Dee(2) the Monarch just needs to admit they have handled this entire Sussex situation wrong from the beginning and move on. There is no way they are coming out of any of this looking good.
They should also fire their staff, both KP and BP for how thls was and is being handled and hire people who really can start to fix this whole “fued”.
Plus, stalkers’ behavior generally escalates over time. She might not have had a weapon THIS TIME, but the fact that she was able to get that close to Harry (twice!!) is terrifying. I’m all for gun control because I live in the US which is obviously an absolute shitshow on this issue, but I do think people like Harry’s private security team should be allowed to be armed when protecting someone so high-profile. “Body-blocking” this particular stalker might have worked this time, but there’s no predicting what another stalker might try, or what might happen if this woman is allowed to get so close to him AGAIN.
I’m so frustrated even typing this, I can’t imagine the frustration Harry feels — especially knowing he’s in the right, and his own father is the one purposefully perpetuating this danger.
These are not people who admit to mistakes.
I don’t know why I am always shocked when new information comes out that highlights what a terrible father, grandfather, and human being King Charles has turned out to be. Of course, he took their security and left them high and dry in Vancouver Island in 2020. If he can’t control them, it seems he’d prefer to have them attacked.
@Beana, hard same. It’s so antithetical to how most parents would do anything to protect their children.
I remember articles from 2020 that said Elizabeth intervened so Andrew could keep his security. Charles is well known for lobbying government officials when he was Prince of wales so to say the RF can’t intervene is next level gaslighting!
With the release of more of Andrew and Epstein communications it should be brought up that the Crown both lizzy and Chuck, have protected the pedo Prince since day one and he still has his lease.. it was the Monarchy and its minions protecting him while vilifying the Sussex’s.
Fortunately because of Harry’s court case, we also know that it was the Queen who issued a personal request for their security to be reinstated. That tells us that not only did she not make the decision to remove it as monarch but she also knew more than anyone that it wasn’t inappropriate for her to advocate for their security to be returned.
I cannot believe that Royah Nikkhah or the courtiers are so dim that they do not understand what Harry is asking . The only other conclusion is that they are deliberately twisting the facts to manipulate public opinion. I hope people can see through this tactic now.
Harry is asking RAVEC to do their job nothing more, nothing less. He ask RAVEC to do an up-dated risk assessment. Harry did not ask his father Charles or his representative to intervene. In regards to tax payer funded. This is unfortunately the system. Harry offered to pay. Taylor Swift probably did not pay when she got a police escort.
Charles could break the system but he does not want to. This is security for his son daughter in law and grandchildren. Charles is as cold as ice
@Tessa Charles probably could intervene on Harry’s behalf but Harry does not ask for this contrary what Royah Nikkhak reports. Even before the last court decision about Harry’s security Harry clearly said that he is not asking for his father or his representative to intervene but to stay out of it and let RAVE do their job.
Harry is his son
It should be a n0 brainer that Charles provides full security for him and his family. Charles made camllla non negotiable so why not harry
Exactly! They’re flapping their mouths in outrage that Harry’s asking his father to intervene, catastrophizing about how it’s an awful thing to do.
Meanwhile, that’s NOT what Harry requested. He didn’t ask Chuck The Frail to do anything! He simply asked that RAVEC do its normal annual risk assessment on him, something it’s failed to do for 5 years.
So that’s 2 strikes on Chuck and his team 1) they’re lying about what Harry asked and faking outrage over it and 2) they’ve done nothing to ensure that Harry even is getting an honest, required risk assessment from a board they sit on never mind advocate for him to actually be granted protection based on the results of the assessment
And actually, likely 3 strikes, because there are plenty of signs that team Chuck has *already* been intervening – for years – to make sure the King’s son doesn’t get protection, or the ability to hire his own security and have them be able to coordinate, share info with UK law enforcement, security.
They all understand what Harry is asking – they’ve always understood it. And they also understand that Charles has already intervened in the process by denying Harry security in the first place, which is why they’re twisting and deflecting. I wonder if this isn’t part of the larger tug-of-war between BP and the government. The security expert said he would have voted in favor of Harry. Let’s see what the new government has to say.
It’s not stupidity, it’s evil.
Royah is just doing her job as propaganda spreader. She is telling the readers directly what the palace wants her to write. She’s the messenger like all the rot assigned to these newspapers.
But if you watch them and listen closel, the rota is scared. All of them think this security thing is stupid of Charles. I think they’re also scared for their jobs because William and Kate don’t like to work much and they have very very very little to work with. Plus the public is generally on to them as being pr for the royals. They get no professional respect among their journalist colleagues. They barely even get the perks of Royal tours around the world anymore.
More and more of them are turning to other sources of income like podcasts and the weekly never ending channel 5 Royal documentary rehashing the same stories over and over.
Exactly. My understanding is that Harry wants Charles to NOT intervene, as previously he DID intervene in order for Harry to not get proper security. By Charles NOT intervening, presumably RAVEC could do the assessment objectively and give him the proper security. (But this is probably assuming too much, as there are probably other anti-Harry royalists on RAVEC who are out to screw him over no matter what.)
@Monika, I absolutely believe it’s the latter. They know the truth, but their marching orders are to parrot the narrative coming from the palace, so that’s what they’re doing. They can’t all be that stupid. They know their charge is to manipulate public opinion by twisting all of the facts around any story involving the Sussexes.
I wonder if the ROTA will look any different once Becky English isn’t running the show anymore. Dare we hope that someone more fair-minded will take over? (Doubtful, but a girl can hope)
How embarrassing for the UK. The son of the King basically having to beg just to be kept safe. It’s clear that Harry will keep returning with or without security. Eventually there will be an incident and it might not just be Harry that is hurt. The fact that the Uk government won’t intervene when a vip and its citizens could be injured is mind boggling. The royals are trash. What a god awful group of people.
@Tina, this! This exactly is what I don’t understand! Regardless of however Charles actually feels about Harry (and Meghan, and the kids), it amazes me that he doesn’t realize how bad this makes him look to *the entire rest of the world*. And as you said, how poorly it reflects on the UK as a whole.
It’s unbelievable, really, that so many people are letting their own personal vendettas against Harry dictate how they do their jobs.
Harry needs to not risk his life to see his father.
This is the sad part. Harry wants to see his family, his country, and his charitable causes so much that he is risking his life. It is heartbreaking.
It breaks my heart, too. I wish Harry would tell KFC to go to hell, and write him off once and for all.
But Harry only has one parent left, and I can see how he doesn’t want to totally cut off all contact, no matter how awful Charles is to him. Especially since his father is sick. But it’s still upsetting to watch Harry try and try, and consistently be beaten down and treated like dogsh!t.
HOW did the media find out so quickly that Harry had written to the new Home Secretary? Did that person’s staff leak it? Or did the usual suspects at BP and KP request to be informed of any contact Harry makes with the government, under the guise of “their need to know what members of the royal family are doing?” Because although Harry had indicated that he would be doing exactly what he has done, it is clear that he and his staff did NOT put this request out in the media. So this is definitely William’s staff at KP and especially Charles’ staff members (Alderton?) who are now curry-favouring with William trying once again to derail any chance of Harry and his family independently visiting the UK, but using Charles’ name to express “disappointment”, much as they did when they wanted to drive a wedge between the late Queen and the Sussexes, at least in the public’s consciousness.
My guess would be the usual suspects at BP/KP. They’re disgusting people.
“Sources close to the process confirm that Harry has written to Mahmood, having previously been in correspondence with her predecessor,”
That sounds as if it should be covered by the Official Secrets Act. The fact that he has written shouldn’t have been announced IMO.
So Chuck can’t have a relationship with his son if the son is safe and protected in the country he is king? Does Chuck expect the son to be willing to sacrifice his life just to meet with him? Is Chuck so afraid of being overshadowed by the son doing charity work in his kingdom that basically he is trying to literally exile him? Is Chuck asking the son to make a choice between him and his wife, children? Is Chuck trying to influence and lobby the government and interfere with their decisions re the son’s security by briefing the royal rota that he doesn’t want his son to have security? These are all rhetorical questions of course. Roya is the chosen rota rat for institutional gaslighting.
Yes. He wants him to choose all in and leave his family
In his BBC interview Harry was saying that he wanted the Palace to step out of the way and to let the process go ahead. If Charles truly had no say in this RAVEC would do the threat assessment.
More so, I think the latest statements from former protection officials are that without royal input the government would in fact provide protection for Harry and should. In fact the statement that Chucky does not want to lobby on this opens the door for the home office to take charge of this without interference. I would not be surprised if the Home Secretary suggested that Harry petition for the review so they could do the right thing now with ou palace involvement.
They don’t want to do the threat assessment bc they don’t want to acknowledge – even internally – how much danger Harry and his family are in when traveling to the UK.
There’s that, but there’s also the added criterion of the person’s importance to the UK’s public relations. Admitting that the assassination of Harry on UK soil would be a HUGE problem would go against the BP narrative that he’s of no importance.
Right, of course, but you don’t even get to that realization unless you know he’s at risk.
@Becks1 – I think they do acknowledge the risk internally. They have access to all the reports and they monitor Harry constantly. What they don’t want to acknowledge is that Charles doesn’t care. The security expert we heard from the other day made it clear that even if someone was at risk, RAVEC would rule against security if that person wasn’t important enough. No one would say the king’s son isn’t important enough – no one but the king himself.
I fear that you are right about that.
I think that if Harry was shot it would bring down the monarchy, however successful the hate campaign has been in Britain the idea that a man could deliberately allow his son/brother to be shot would be too much for most people.
If anything were to happen to Harry, if that doesn’t bring down the monarchy, in the UK, it would strain relations between the UK and non-White Commonwealth countries.
Their goal is simple: they want to limit Harry’s presence in the UK as much as possible. Because he outshines both the King and his heir.
They have convinced themselves that Harry’s popularity is not good for the Monarchy. AND they’re very irritated that Harry doesn’t accept the quasi-banishment. Because let’s call it for what it is: the lack of security is their tool to banish Harry, and his family, from the UK.
@Bisynaptic, ITA with everything you said, except I would switch the word “strain” to “decimate.”
Of course, William will be king soon enough, and he clearly doesn’t care about those countries anyway, so. In fact, I think he actively resents them, because he knows how they feel about *him*.
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Neil Basu did an interview with Victoria Ward from the telegraph and he was clear in saying that Harry’s risk assessment would warrant VVIP treatment. He was on RAVEC as part of the committee and even as far back as 2019 he said his risk assessment warrants it. Plus he said neither he, as head of counter terrorism at the time and the head of police thought Harry’s security should have been pulled. He said it was either the government rep or the rep for the head of the royals household aka Clive Alderton.
It’s crazy that Harry can’t have the full suite of police protection guaranteed on UK soil. But, the one saving grace is that he does have that security by default when visiting his father.
If there’s a mechanism have the UK Invictus Games pulled and have it hosted in another country. It was a mistake for IG to go to Birmingham and this proves it. But they can’t pull the Games without backlash.
Invictus is totally different. The terms and conditions would have been part of the bid process and security would obviously be included. No way it wasn’t negotiated back then.
There’s zero reason for Harry not to get a risk assessment. Just like anyone else. Zero.
Taylor Swift had armed security when she flew in for interviews. I know she’s a target, but not more so than Harry!
She got police escorts for her Wembley concerts.
It’s the epitome of “if they wanted to, they would.”
Wow, and yet, the UK taxpayers didn’t scream about TS, who is a celebrity who can afford her own security. Also, I believe that Kate Moss hired police for some event? Not sure about that, my brain is a bit fried at the moment, lol.
Charles is beefing up security around and for all his beloved palaces in the face of perceived threats of heightened terrorist attacks etc. He goes out of his way to protect his structures of cement but will not bother to protect his own flesh and blood, Harry his son and his young family?
Despite his cancer and that of St. Catherine, despite his heir’s obvious mental struggles, the man still does not see that it is karmic effect upon him, them, his heir, his wife his entourage. And Harry seems to truly love this POS of a father. Don’t understand.
The writing is on the wall anyway.
We just wait and see. Can’t for the life of me say I feel sorry for those evil, vile people.
You can have a complicated, conflicted relationship with a parent and still love them, especially as they get old. In Charles’ case, it appears that he does not that long to live. I can understand Harry, who is his mother’s loving son.
That statement that Harry asking for a review “complicates things for the king” makes no sense. Charles is claiming he can’t be seen interfering in the process, well if that’s the case he should let the review proceed and stay the hell out of it. It won’t be his decision, it will be from RAVEC. This article seems, to me at least, like its coming from Team William and not from BP. If RAVEC decides that Harry is entitled to security, then its no skin off Charles’ nose, but William’s nose will be highly out of joint.
It makes no sense – why would Harry’s case “complicate” anything for the King of, as has been repeatedly stated, he has nothing to do with determining security arrangements? It’s the exact same stupid thing the rota has reported about how Harry’s lawsuits against the British tabloids make things difficult for the Windsors. None of the palace sources have ever been able to adequately explain why Charles and William should feel so personally attacked by these lawsuits or tried to get Harry to drop them.
It’s kind of a tell, isn’t it?
It has no proper legal basis anyway because the monarch has no real power. It’s all ceremonial. We still use “the Crown” in the law and elsewhere, give Royal Assent to our laws, amongst other things, but it doesn’t mean anything in reality.
I’ve worked in a completely unrelated security field but determining security level is the same basic process across fields, so let’s clarify some details. There are 2 parts to any security level determination, 1 part is the security risk assessment Harry is requesting, the 2nd part is an assessment of impact should the worst happen.
Ravec has agreed with Harry that his security risk is at the highest level so the impact assessment must be the lowest possible in order for Ravec to decide Harry doesn’t need security from the government.
Based on reporting from the court case and Harry’s interview because he is royal the Palace’s are determined the impact assessment. I can’t find the quote but this is where the palace saying if Harry died it wouldn’t be a big deal comes in. That is an impact assessment and as long as the Palace keeps insisting that Harry’s death or attack will not impact the UK’s reputation because Harry isn’t a “working royal”, he won’t get police protection
Okay, I had forgotten this part. Harry is asking for a risk assessment but let’s say he gets one, sure. That still does not mean he gets security bc they won’t see anything bad happening as having a huge impact. At least the risk assessment would be on record though. But wow, who is deciding that something happening to Diana’s son on uk soil would not have an impact? Sounds like some inept officials from both the palace and the government. Or if not inept some colluding officials.
Yes, who would dare say the death of the king’s son would have no impact? Only the king would say that.
Let’s not forget that Harry is also Diana’s son, the beloved princess whose tragic and violent death almost brought the BRF to its knees. A death that is still surrounded by theories of conspiracy 30 years later.
Diana died because of extreme press intrusion and lack of proper security. Imagine what would happen if her youngest son is hurt (or worse) on UK soil because his father denies him adequate security despite a very high threat level. Then imagine if British civilian are hurt or killed in an hypothetical attack on Harry in the UK.
Charles and his courtiers are deluding themselves if they think a successful attack on Diana’s son on UK soil would have no impact. Despite their hardest efforts Harry is popular in the UK. His latest visit proved that in abundance – and that is exactly why Charles and William try to keep him out of the country by denying him security. They are effectively trying to exile him and his family.
Someone should conduct real polls in the UK to see what the public would think of the monarchy, if Harry were to be harmed on UK soil, under those circumstances.
Neil Basu who was the counter terrorism rep on RAVEC said in his recent interview with Victoria Ward of the telegraph that there would be a significant impact should anything happen to Harry. He was on the committee back in 2019 and said he believes Harry warrant security then and still does now, in fact it might be more needed.
No rule of law keeps Andrew and Sarah on the island and pushes out the prince who married a mixed race woman.
Obviously marrying a mixed race woman and putting mixed race children into the succession is a far worse crime than sexual abuse of a trafficked minor.
Sarah is divorced wife of Andrew and decidedly not a working royal. Since she is allowed to stay at andrews.mansion does she get protection that harry has to fight for
I like that Harry is doing this. Thanks to his RAVEC lawsuit we now know an annual assessment is integral to getting adequate security and one hasn’t been done for him since 2019. I truly believe UK govt is growing tired of the embarrassing and unprofessional Windsors. While the Windsors remain consumed with pettiness the UK govt must be aware of what it says about their “democracy” when Harry can’t get appropriate security in his home country but can get it everywhere else in the world. The King is breaking the rules to endanger the popular Prince while breaking the rules to protect the reviled Prince. Charles came to throne old, tarnished and unpopular. That was always going to be an issue when trying to perform soft diplomacy and protecting Andrew from the constant drip drip of more information about how involved he was with Epstein isn’t helping matters.
Elizabeth is gone and I don’t think anyone really enjoys what Chuck and Camilla on the throne says about Britain.
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This isn’t about Charles not doing this because of it being inappropriate to be done by a family member or a monarch because the late Queen, as Monarch and family member, made a point of writing a statement to the courts to request that their security be reinstated whenever they are in the UK. The late Queen as the longest reigning monarch didn’t see it as being inappropriate and she didn’t see them suing the media as reason to stop communications with them during any of the time after they left the UK. Charles not communicating, advocating or supporting Harry, Meghan, Archie and Lilibet has nothing to do with him seeing it as inappropriate, because that would mean that he sees his mother, the late Queen and wiser and more respected monarch as being inappropriate and wrong for intervening, continuing to have a relationship with all of the Sussexes and for making sure that they had a safe home in the UK. This outrage and argument on Charles’s behalf only confirms to me that he never has met Lilibet in person, purposely took their security away to force them back regardless of risks, took their only safe home away because they wouldn’t allow themselves to be bullied and has no real love or concern for any of their wellbeing, safety or happiness. Charles is a dog sh*t father and monarch. He will never be his mother and the dog sh*t son he has left will be an even worse king than him and I love that for him and William.
I’m shocked that no risk assessment has been done for Harry since 2019 – if true (and I believe that Harry and his lawyers know their business) it seems like shoddy work by the people in charge of determining security, RAVEC. It also indicates, at least to me, that they are afraid.
After all, if they were fully in Charles’ pocket, they could get someone to lie and say that the threats against Harry and his family are all in his head and he doesn’t need protection, he’s paranoid and a liar etc. But it seems they didn’t do that. It seems instead that they are afraid that any updated investigation will put in print what we can plainly see is true – that Harry is in need of and deserving of protection, maybe even more so now because of his family’s actions. I guess I am choosing to find comfort in the idea that RAVEC apparently doesn’t believe that their people will lie or cover this up for them, or they would just have put out false reports every year. Instead, they chose quite deliberately to NOT find out, which I think is quite damning, but it also gives me some hope that they might finally be forced to do their jobs.
Harry really ought to look up the 18th Earl of Pembroke if he’s ever back in the UK & compare notes. They’d probably get on a lot better than he does with this other brother.
Isn’t that another fake story about harry re pembroke.
Nope. Replying to @Tessa. In fact it’s impeccably sourced & attributed to authors & friends with direct & personal contact with all involved. & it would explain *a lot* — but what do you mean by other fake stories? It kind of sounds like the way Trump calls fake news.
As to the question, who has the shittiest father, Meghan or Harry, Harry wins hands down. Thomas sold his daughter out for money. Charles has openly said that the death of his son and son’s family would have no impact on the monarchy. Thomas wants a paycheck. Charles is okay with planning funerals for his grandchildren.
He even encouraged other countries to avoid giving the Sussexes security. That is so, so terrible. Charles is a failure of a king because he’s a failure of a father. Who wants to bet that his Horse’s Ass’s kids have royal security, and they aren’t working royals. Is there any journalist willing to bust that story wide open, or is journalism completely dead?
Both Camilla and Kate got security before they married into the House of Windsor – but the King’s son and his young family cannot get protection. It is fucking gross.
Yeah, it’s fucking gross. I suppose in some ways it’s the epitome of primogeniture. The king and the heir’s families are protected. The spare’s? Not so much. And yeah it’s gross and barbaric.
Is Journalism dead? yes, dying from too many clicks on nasty stories about Harry and Meghan.
Good for Harry. He probably knows more about Ravec now than its own members. I’m glad he’s pushing it to follow its own rules.
As for Charles, he’s a despicable low-life, despite his royal station. A father who doesn’t protect his children is pond scum.
Why in the world did Birmingham, England win the IG games for 2027 if Harry’s appearance there would risk his life? And it would. Harry should not have to choose between hosting his own charity or death. The f-ck? Charles is a barbarian. Cleopatra had her own family killed. Charles is trying to kill half his children and has already killed half his wives. Cleopatra did what she did to gain and keep the crown. This bastard Charles has NOTHING to gain by getting his son killed. Unbelievable.
Charles is a bad parent. He was not attentive to his sons doubt he spends much time with his grandchildren. Except possibly George. He let william behave badly to harry. Will is ill prepared to be king . He gaslit Diana and treated her badly. And it is horrific how he denies full security to the sussexes
Harry has taken this out of the palace staffers hands and turned it over to the security experts. Given that he and Meghan and Archie had actual threats and plots against them before they left England and that several of the plotters are in prison, this isn’t theoretical but real and more than the other royals have faced. This would be a no brainer without the grey suits getting involved.
Remember in the Harry and Meghan doc-series when Doria said the things that Thomas was doing to his daughter was not what a parent does, that’s Not parenting, that’s not love . Well let’s just say that the same thing applies to Charles . . This is not love, this is not how a parent behaves.
If Harry gets assigned security on a “case-by-case basis”, then wouldn’t it be helpful to do a risk assessment to help determine what level of protection is needed? There’s just no logic to any of this.
So British, the sclerotic passive aggression *eyeroll*
everybody screaming crying throwing up because….harry asked them to actually follow their own internal rules and policies. 🙄
right? that’s exactly what has happened.
Harry’s dad is a royal jackass. He doesn’t expect his son to put his life and his family’s life at risk in order to see him. Rather, he knows that he can blame their lack of time together on Harry.
It breaks my heart that Harry has any love or respect for Charles.
Harry tried but After a certain point and things don’t change it is time to move on