Prince William thinks the royals are ‘becoming irrelevant’ because of all the ‘pomp’

Back in September, the Royalist had a half-decent scoop on the trials and tribulations of King Charles and Prince William. This piece happened before Prince Harry’s four-day visit, a visit in which Harry had tea with his father. Following that meeting, William had something akin to a nervous breakdown because Charles refuses to be incandescent with rage about Harry. Is the entire Windsor psychodrama about who daddy loves more? No, but that’s a sizable chunk of the drama. Anyway, the Royalist’s sources claimed that William has a “deep-seated resentment” towards his father. Sources also confirmed that Charles and William rarely speak directly or meet informally and “most of their communication [is] mediated by their private secretaries.”

Charles was also upset that William skipped the VJ Day memorial in August (William was on vacation), and a source told Tom Sykes, regarding VJ Day specifically: “To William, continuing to run the monarchy as though it were still an Edwardian institution feels absurd. To Charles, his son’s more casual approach can feel like a lack of respect for duty and tradition.” William thinks paying respect to WWII veterans is just outdated pomp, which William doesn’t feel like doing especially when he could just send a misspelled tweet. Why do I bring this up? Because William feels that people are “laughing at” the royals because… they dress up in uniforms and cloaks and robes. Oh honey… they are laughing, but not because of that.

There is reportedly tension within the royal family, and this time it has nothing to do with Meghan and Prince Harry.

Prince William and King Charles are at odds over how to move forward with the monarchy, with the future king worried that the institution is out of step with the rest of the world, royal biographer Andrew Lownie exclusively tells NewsNation’s Paula Froelich.

“There are always tensions between the Prince of Wales and the Monarch,” Lownie says. “They’re different, you know, there are different generations.”

Charles still believes in the “pomp and ceremony” of the royal family, while “William’s view is, actually, ‘We’re becoming irrelevant. People are just laughing at us,’” Lownie says.

William was also seemingly peeved that the situation involving his uncle, the now former Prince Andrew, was not moving fast enough.

“This is a problem that should have been dealt with years ago. They knew about Andrew. They were briefed,” Lownie says. “The queen was told about Andrew. I think one of the shocking things in my book was that she didn’t do anything about it. Diplomats, politicians and others, members of the security services, came to her with extraordinary stories about Andrew’s behavior, and she basically turned a blind eye.”

[From NewsNation]

Again, William is actually right that the Windsors are becoming/have become irrelevant and he’s right that people are laughing at the royals. But he’s wrong about why! He just doesn’t want to wear kilts or robes or ceremonial garb of any kind, and he’s reverse engineering the reason why he shouldn’t have to. “That’s why we’re unpopular, because we wear velvet robes, the same robes I hate to wear!” You know why the heir is unpopular? Because he doesn’t feel it necessary to show up for stuff like VJ Day. They’re laughing at William because of his volleyball antics, not because he wore a robe. Incidentally, William looked stupid at the Order of the Bath event earlier this year not because he wore a robe, but because his robe was wrinkled and he looked like he had just rolled out of bed hungover.

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75 Responses to “Prince William thinks the royals are ‘becoming irrelevant’ because of all the ‘pomp’”

  1. Tessa says:

    Scooter does not want to work. His father allowed scoot to drive out the sussexes

    • Lauren says:

      Indeed. They are idiots for what they’ve done.

      Also, the pomp is really the only thing the royal family has going for them. It’s the only thing that makes them interesting.

      • Lurker says:

        The second photo? Wrinkled trousers/pants and dirty shoes. Doesn’t he have staff?

        If Billy Idle thinks the pomp is outdated, here’s a tip: Attend the VJDay in a morning suit, without all your medals and explain you feel uncomfortable wearing uniform and honorary medals (which the family gives each other like candy) in the presence of veterans who actually served. The public would have loved that.
        But of course he loves all the medals and his uniforms. He just balks at the feathered hats and velvet robes. Understandable, but that’s the pomp the royalists want to see. Tradition! If he doesn’t want to uphold these traditions, who needs a monarchy?
        Our German president and his lovely wife did a great job representing our country. Great Britain can elect a president as head of state, just as Ireland has. He/she can even have a nice office in Buckingham Palace, and a suite as living quarters during his/her tenure. With this the expensive renovation of BP would still pay off.

      • Moniquep says:

        I think it’s the stupid robes and gilded carriages that makes them irrelevant. It makes them appear as a throwback to the dark ages. They could do the ceremonies with a more modern flair. Ditch the fancy garb and gilded carriages for even the Rolls and Bentleys which they already have. I think the people will still turn out for their parades, and it would appear less pompous and in your face blood ducking thumbing of the nose.

      • bluhare says:

        I agree. Without the pomp and circumstance, they’d just be people. And people would look at them, and wonder why the hell they’re there. William needs to recognize that for better or worse, the monarchy is the one thing that has been consistent for years. I don’t think they need to do those ceremonial order of Bath and Garter things, but the rest of it, yes.

        Otherwise people like me would look and think they are not fit for purpose.

      • StarWonderful says:

        Keep the pomp, but either modernize the silly costumes or get rid of them altogether.

      • Douches Of Cambridge says:

        Totally. And Charles is right about William not having the sense of duty. Keen is the same. What a nice way to say they’re lazy. QEII’s reign was respected because she was there and worked and was seen without fail all those years. Her speech was always about duty duty duty. William and keen have nothing to offer. Nobody can say, how they make our world better. Charles has his prince’s trust, Diana has an on-living legacy, harry has invictus – william has??? Katy keen has??? Niet nada zero que dalle

    • TheFarmer'sWife says:

      Yes, all that pomp complete with voluminous robes, fake medals and multiple homes rather flies in Angry Prince’s face and his belief that he alone can end homelessness. Something about being a heartless landlord, places being in utter disrepair, seniors having to choose between lukewarm heat or food? Oh, and a huge carbon footprint from flying for his big boy awards show, plus how many vacations and flights to watch sports? There’s nothing “royal” about any of these adult grifters. Sorry, George, daddy’s making a big mess, I hope you don’t get stuck cleaning up and paying up after him. Go to trades school, become a plumber, they never go out of style!

  2. Yes they are laughing Peg and it’s you they are laughing at!! You and your one sided competition with your brother who has moved on. They are laughing at you trying to fake rizz. They are laughing at your complete lack of athleticism and they are laughing that you think you’re a global statesman. They are laughing at your lack of ability to lead or write a speech without Daddy. It’s you Peg who is being laughed at!! Also now we know that Peg and Chuckles communicate through private secretaries so the trip to Scotland, after Harry had tea with Chuckles, did not include the I’m with daddy now and we are having private meetings.

    • cosmo says:

      You’re right, if they wanted someone to play volleyball it should have been Kate. For all her faults, she is athletic. Perhaps not right now though as she is so frail.

    • HuffnPuff says:

      You are absolutely right, Susan. The king is the head of state so it’s his duty to show up to important events like Remembrance Day. If he doesn’t like the job, he should abdicate on day 1. He won’t because he and his wife enjoy the bells and whistles too much. They ultimately want what the Sussexes have without the work and with the perks that are financed by British taxpayers.

    • Beverley says:

      💯 Say it again for the latecomers, Susan! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

    • Josephine says:

      I am laughing at all of that and the robes and ribbons and participation awards. It’s all bad.

  3. s808 says:

    the institution and press will get a non traditional wfh king and they will like it.

  4. Barbara says:

    For a dorkwad with a personal valet in charge of dressing him, he always looks like he just rolled out of bed after a bender.

  5. Eurydice says:

    Reason #95 why William doesn’t want to be king. Next to hating Harry, not wanting to be king is William’s favorite subject.

  6. Snuffles says:

    Look, I don’t give a f**k about all the pomp either, but isn’t it centuries of tradition? Don’t royalists love that sort of s**t? And shouldn’t they be playing towards what their ever dwindling numbers of supporters enjoy?

    That said, I don’t believe for one second that William is trying to modernize anything. He’s trying to drastically reduce his obligations for when he becomes king. At this rate, he’s only going to leave the castle when Harry and Meghan do anything public.

    • Chloe says:

      Bingo. People that want the monarchy gone, will want the royals gone regardless of the pomp. But royalists LOVE it. Take it away and what exactly would be the difference between having a royal family and having a president? Except that a president is actually democratically elected.

      Might as well do away with the whole thing.

    • EveV says:

      Bingo. William doesn’t care about modernizing the monarchy. He just wants to do less work and have zero expectations for him to do any kind of work.

  7. Jferber says:

    Kaiser, you have my sincere thanks for pettily not letting go of the volleyball pics. They are gold and you are working them spectacularly.

  8. Becks1 says:

    Look I think the robes are stupid too. But I think if you get rid of the ceremonial aspects of the BRF, then you have to ask what you’re left with. People who support the royals LIKE the pomp, they like the robes etc.

    It just feels like the slimming down argument – okay so you’re reducing the number of working royals. How does that reduce the money? How does that benefit the taxpayer?

    Here its okay so you’re getting rid of the Order of the Bath ceremony or whatever. So what does the public get instead?

    William is just trying to find more excuses to not work.

    • Eurydice says:

      That’s the thing. The answer to “Why the monarchy?” is never “Because they’re out there helping the people.” It’s always about being a symbol of a nation, the protector of history and culture, a tool of soft diplomacy, a vital tourist attraction. A William monarchy without the pomp is just a scruffy guy with ill-fitting trousers and bad teeth.

    • Sunniside up says:

      Without the pomp the royals are nothing, I don’t even mind the uniforms, but what I do mind is the chocolate medals, Charles Anne and William have never faced enemy fire, they shouldn’t have any, Harry and I hate to lump them together, Andrew are the only ones alive who have, so only they should wear them.

      • Bqm says:

        Millions of people serve full careers in the military without facing enemy fire. The medals the royals wear aren’t military ones by and large. And some military ones they wear were earned legitimately. Even Anne only wears a few military ones, like her Canadian Forces one, and they’re bestowed in line with regulations of that service for honorary appointments. People can complain about other ones, like the military ones bestowed by foreign countries for just being royal, or wearing a uniform when you’ve only had a honorary appointment, but the wholesale discounting of them is getting silly.

    • bluhare says:

      Agree 100%.

      And I lied earlier. I think Britain should become a republic.

  9. Maxine Branch says:

    The less the U.K. royals are seen, the more the public will be curious to why they are needed

  10. Tessa says:

    I wonder if George will be delegate to stand in for his,lazy father.at 12 years of age he already substituted for him
    Scoot will take many vacations and acquire more properties and watch sports

  11. Hypocrisy says:

    Truthfully the best part of the BRF is the Royal Hogwarts robes they wear without the robes willy and the other leftovers offer nothing the public wants.

    • Barb Mill says:

      Exactly this. Isn’t the tourism the royals bring in a big reason given for the level of funding they get. No pomp and fancy robes, parades, horses, balconies and the tourist argument is gone. Tourists can go to most European countries and see castles and palaces, churches full of history and heritage. The pomp and ceremony is what the royalists still have.

  12. Julia says:

    They are laughing because the institution looks shambolic. They lurch from one PR disaster to the next. From Andrew, to the mismanagement of Harry and Meghan’s exit to the weird handling of Kate’s illness and disappearance last year. The royals are now just celebrity gossip and people who stage photo opportunities to get maximum likes on social media. The whole thing has turned really weird. I think people actually like the pomp and ceremony but are increasingly starting to believe that the royals should fund a lot of their lifestyle themselves.

  13. Pretty says:

    Transparency over the finances and tangibles about how they help people that’s all they would need to get the public on their side. William and Kate took on as their pet causes, topics where they could be vague about and that’s their issue, not the robes they don’t wear those everyday.

  14. Blujfly says:

    There is a *chasm* between “these robes looks like costumes and are out of touch” and “why do we need to commentate VJ Day, the end of the second war in which parts of my country were utterly destroyed, nearly 100,000 civilians were killed, and .5 million were killed in total.”

  15. Dee(2) says:

    They could easily modernize without losing a lot of the tradition, the issue isn’t the actual robes. He could have shown up in a bespoke suit to honor the vets. People are laughing at you because you don’t work and when you do work you are clearly in competition with someone that does modernity better.

    And he wants all of this to be ended while constantly briefing to the press how much he hates his brother, hates his father, his mother’s paranoid, and how he’ll do everything better just less of it with more money. While people who are his age and younger are struggling to survive.

  16. Me at home says:

    More than the robes, it’s the unearned, chocolate medals the royals keep awarding themselves.

    But mostly, the joke is watching him pretend to care about the environment and homelessness as he takes private jets to meet his paid celebs at Earthshot, takes multiple luxury international vacations each year, and takes helicopters between his multiple homes. He has a huge carbon footprint. Meanwhile, everyone can see that his “modern monarchy” means less work and VJ Day-type events for him, while he will continue to take the same huge sums from the sovereign grant and the duchies and return nothing to HM Treasury or the people. If “slimmed down monarchy” meant that his fewer engagements translated to less of a drain on the public purse, maybe people would stop seeing him as such a laughable hypocrite.

    • Lucky Charm says:

      They need to make the monarch and family live, work and entertain in Buckingham Palace (they can keep Sandringham as their country home) and return all other properties including both duchies to the government. Taxpayer funded security and an annual salary. Once their children are 21 they are responsible for their own housing and finance.

    • Meredith says:

      Queen Elizabeth had those red boxes helicoptered to her daily when she was on the royal yacht or otherwise out of London. Hopefully they now use fax (very secure) or email and if so, their overall carbon footprint might indeed be improved despite how they travel.

      • BeanieBean says:

        No, they still use those stupid red boxes. And FAX is only secure if there’s a monitored FAX machine on the other end. A FAX machine just sitting in a mailroom/copy room isn’t all that secure.

  17. Amy Bee says:

    The royalists love the pomp so William is out of touch with his own fans. The real reason why they’re unpopular is because the public is not interested in these people, they lack charisma, don’t do meaningful work and they brief against each other and are a drain on the taxpayer.

  18. jais says:

    William! Your dad is very sick and is likely not going to be around much longer. Let the man have his pomp, jeez. Seriously, if William wants to change all this, he can…when he’s king. Why is he making tensions over his sick dad about this? Patience. When it’s his turn, he can get rid of the dang robes. I don’t think it’s going to have the effect he wants but whatever. The point is why is this even a thing right now. Let the sick man wear his robes. This is actually so disrespectful.

    • Meredith says:

      Lesson: If you are a terrible father, your children might not care about your feelings about clothing when you are dying. That doesn’t mean said children don’t care about you, because people tend to love and need even terrible parents.

      • jais says:

        Ha! That’s true. But the BM gets so sensitive about Harry disrespecting Charles over any tiny thing and yet here we have William briefing about how he’s having issues with his very sick dad…over clothes. Like come on. This is comedy.

  19. CM says:

    Agree 100% with this. The Pomp is what I DO like!!

  20. Lady Digby says:

    Guess again Will about why we are laughing at him!

  21. Jas says:

    The pomp and circumstance is the only thing they’ve got going for them. It’s their job to look princessy and glam and take part in all the rituals and pageantry.

    Take that away and you’ve just got unreasonably rich people living on the public’s dime.

    William’s right that it’s kind of silly, but he’s completely failing to recognise that the real function of the royal family is to be visible symbols of Britain, of its history and traditions, and its values and beliefs. If he does away with that out of ignorance or carelessness or laziness, he’ll eventually find out that he’s also done away with the royal family as we know it.

    • Me at home says:

      Agree, the fancy robes (when ironed) are what’s interesting about the monarchy. The public is, however, growing cynical about the chocolate medals they award themselves, those are actually laughable. And all the posturing about the environment and homelessness from a guy with multiple homes, uber-helicopters, private jets, and who does very little work (see: VJ Day) while taking multiple luxury vacations for unreduced income.

    • Christine says:

      Exactly. William cannot accept that he is a mascot. That’s it, nothing more. His only worth is in showing up, which he is proving to be incapable of. What is the point of him then?

      • Hypocrisy says:

        Mascot is the perfect description of what the king and his heirs are to the institution and country, but instead of being a Greek gladiator named Sparty he is a robe wearing figurehead King who’s job it is to preform to increase tourism.

  22. Sharon says:

    I never minded the robes etc when QE was around. It did seem very royal. But after she passed, seeing Charles & Camilla & the rest in these robes & pretend medals, very much looks like tacky costumes now. And with Camilla, the adulteress, being Queen, it’s just lost all the magical appeal to me. If she can be Queen, then what is so regal & honourable about it? Just looks like a bunch of stuffy old people putting on heavy jewels & being snobs. I feel when QE passed, it was time to turn a corner and modernize. And I know Charles waited so long for the title, too long in my opinion. But he should have dropped a lot of the pomp & ceremony immediately, it really belongs in the past. Look how gaudy the whole visit with Trump was, with the golden carriage. There was nothing regal & noble about it. So tacky.

  23. OriginalMich says:

    For years, the argument for paying a fortune to keep the monarchy has been that the pomp and ceremony earns more than it costs because it draws tourists and is part of Brand Britannia.

    What value does William think the monarchy brings to the table without that? Without the “show,” what point does it serve? What would be the point of him? Senior statesman?

    • Me at home says:

      Tourists come for the buildings and overpriced tours with gift shops at the end. It’s not like they expect to see William or Kate in front of Buckingham Palace or doing couple’s night at a Kensington restaurant. Few spectators even show up to see William wearing a pink or black velvet robe, if recent shots panning the outside of these events is any indication. France draws many multiples of visitors to places like Versailles, and we know what France did to its monarchy.

  24. Maja says:

    That’s ridiculous. The costumes are an expression of detachment from reality, lack of transparency, global exploitation, arrogance and intolerance. If he really said that, it’s a prime example of him thinking people are stupid, or of his own stupidity. It cannot be ruled out that someone put these words in his mouth. Are we really supposed to believe that he thinks people don’t recognise what’s wrong with the monarchy? And that they are like stupid dwarves who only think the clothes are wrong? It’s actually unbelievable what the press wants us to believe. Or maybe it’s him. Or this whole clan and the press.

  25. Ohwell says:

    He is right… they look ridiculous in the archaic outfits, riding around in carriages and wearing suits full of medals like they were on the battlefield!

  26. QuiteContrary says:

    It’s not the pomp that makes the royals ridiculous — it’s their sponging off the public dime, while returning so little on the public investment.

    And it’s not the ceremony that is going to turn off younger generations … it’s the plundered and hoarded wealth. Why not give that back, Willy, if you really want to modernize the monarchy?

  27. Elo says:

    He’s not wrong, the robes look stupid.
    The only way to modernize the monarchy is to get rid of it completely. This way of living- the whole elevation due to being born into a family, or marrying into a family is stupid and archaic. If any of them- and I mean any of them had interest in modernization they would release every single title, return all hoarded wealth and retire from everything except philanthropy and personal projects. No kings, no princes, no dukes, no queens, princesses or duchesses. No line of royal succession. In 2025 the whole lot look like rich spoiled fools playing pretend.

  28. Meredith says:

    A broken clock is right twice a day, and I think William is both an ass AND correct that wearing antiquated clothing does not help their cause. I also think the antiquated clothing barristers wear to court should be abandoned. People should do their jobs in professional modern clothing, not costumes.

  29. GoodWitchGlenda says:

    He’s not *totally* wrong. The whole thing is ridiculous from tip to tail and the outfits are a part of that. But mostly, its 2025 – hereditary monarchies should have been left to the dustbin of history long ago.

  30. Advisor2U says:

    I’ve heard Lownie live, saying these things like a gossiping tabloid hack, in a few US interviews/podcasts.

    Andrew Lownie, who brands himself as a historian, is blabbing a lot of rumours and unverified claims in many of his appearances. All he’s been doing lately to boost the sales of his book (he’s in the US promoting his self-published Yorks book over there, after his US publisher dumped him last minute, after his libellous claims about Melania T. and Prince Harry appeared in the UK version of that book), is to do outlandish ”new revelations”, and to repeat Tom Sykes and the UK tabloids’ gossip and talking points. The Waleses, the tough leader Willy in particular, are the monarchy’s saviours, according to him. But he has great contempt for the Sussexes, for Meghan in particular, and he repeats all the tabloid labels put on them. All this because he’s trying very hard to suck up to William and his camp (remember, till now, none of the royals or their households wanted anything to do with him, because of the previous books he wrote about the royals). And that’s not gonna change soon, since he screwed matters up lately; he repeated the “William-Rose Hanbury cheating story” in one of his Substact pieces, which he had to delete quickly and apologise for thereafter. Again, he took the gossip route to impress.

    He should stick to disclosing/exposing the (historical) facts about royal scandals and corruption, if he wants to still be taken seriously, or as a real historian.

    • tamsin says:

      This Lownie character has been all over the media with his Andrew and Sarah exposes, and after listening to him on a couple of interviews, I can conclude that he is a complete KP mouthpiece. In addition, he seems to be a self-righteous little prig and smears the Sussexes, and is while being nauseatingly sycophantic towards William. He is just odious.

  31. MsKrisTalk says:

    It’s not the pomp. It’s the laziness. It’s the idea that you think that you’re better than everyone else. It’s because you’re charging your citizens to live in cold, mold and mildew ridden homes while you’re traveling between castles. It’s that you’re greedy and don’t care about others. It’s because you lie. It’s the jealousy. That’s why you’re irrelevant.

  32. jferber says:

    The royals will become irrelevant because of William. That is very clear. He is not king material and hopefully it will all fall to pieces when he “ascends.”

    • Meredith says:

      They’ve LONG been irrelevant. People just had no memory of life before QE2, and she was really good at PR for the firm, so they didn’t question her status much. Nobody will have nostalgia for Charles when he’s gone, so the irrelevance is already baked in now.

  33. Krista says:

    The pomp is literally the only thing this family gets right. I mean, except when they use it to further abuse the DoS. William has spent a lifetime without anyone speaking truth to him. I truly hope this results in a resounding indictment of him as King and his loss of the stature he only has because of his place in the line of succession.

  34. Plums says:

    Speaking of irrelevant, I was watching Jeopardy today, and one of the clues everyone got wrong was asking what royal couple got married in 2011. The 2 Americans guessed and got wrong first Harry and Meghan, then William(!) and Meghan, and the Canadian didn’t buzz in at all. Ken had a fun rejoinder to the William and Meghan guess, saying how scandalous that would have been. Meanwhile I’m watching at home screaming Will and Kate and left feeling like a nerd for even knowing that because this is apparently obscure information, lol.

  35. therese says:

    OK, go ahead and show another of the volleyball pictures. I’ve stopped being really embarrassed by them, and I laughed out loud. He is so unintentionally funny. Wish I had some sort of channel. That is so parody worthy.

  36. Isabella says:

    That woman bowing to William like he’s a deity. So creepy. And he’s too lazy even to look at her.

    • BeanieBean says:

      Yeah, bet he still likes that part. The bowing, the scraping, the ‘sirs’ & the ‘your royal highness’ crapola.

  37. Nic919 says:

    If they want to be modern they need to drop anything relating to curtseys and bowing. It is dumb the way they do it.

    They also need transparency in terms of their finances.

    William isn’t going to do anything but work less.

  38. martha says:

    Without the pomp, there’s only circumstance. He ain’t interested in that either. Lazy sod!

    I doubt tourists are gonna line up to watch a bunch of guys in ill-fitting navy blue suits stepping in + out of cars no matter how fancy the cars.

  39. therese says:

    I do like their brown car. Don’t know what make. If Will quit everything but the bare necessities, all the pomp, but had a keen sense of philanthropy, and somehow built up a bunch of other people’s money that he didn’t mind giving away, or even just tried to raise money for entities he really cared about, he would get more grace, and less razz for hiding out.

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