Radar just released another chapter in their epic saga of Mel Gibson’s Total and Utter Jackassery. Thankfully, it’s not yet another audio about Oksana’s “glum c-nt”. They just put up an extreme closeup of Oksana’s eye, post beating. I guess in case some people didn’t think her face looked bruised in the previous photo, the one that her dentist took. The photo is on Radar here, and here’s the story:
These are the shocking photos that provide powerful evidence against Mel Gibson. Oksana Grigorieva had deep bruises around her left eye after she claims Mel Gibson punched her in the head twice – and RadarOnline.com has exclusively obtained the blockbuster photographs of her injuries.
These pictures are crucial evidence in the investigation against Gibson on domestic violence charges and provide strong support for Oksana’s accusations that Mel punched her as they argued at his home on January 6. Oksana told authorities she was holding her baby Lucia when Mel struck her in the mouth and the head, near the left temple.
RadarOnline.com has learned that the photographs were taken the morning after the brutal confrontation. They show obvious bruising around Oksana’s left eye and also redness. The bruising extends from below Oksana’s left eye to her forehead. The area around her left eye appears to be swollen. These never-before-seen pictures are key components of three separate investigations, RadarOnline.com has confirmed.
RadarOnline.com exclusively obtained the evidence photos which are the second set of photos taken to document Oksana’s injuries in the aftermath of the brutal January 6 brawl at Mel’s Malibu mansion. They form powerful evidence for Oksana’s allegations, especially when coupled with photographs she took of her damaged mouth.
Oksana also has photographs of her damaged mouth. Those pictures were taken a day before these new ones and it is clear from the documentation that the bruising and swelling around her eye has become pronounced overnight, which is consistent with this type of injury.
The veneer from Oksana’s upper left front tooth was snapped off and the veneer on her upper right tooth was cracked. Dental experts agree that only tremendous force could cause that type of damage.
Mel denies hitting Oksana and his lawyers have told cops she tried to extort him. But these new photos provide Oksana with more powerful evidence against the man she dated for three years, especially when coupled with text messages and audio tapes, as revealed on RadarOnline.com. In addition, Oksana, 40, also has a strong affidavit from her dentist about the extent of her injuries. And, as RadarOnline.com reported exclusively, Oksana was diagnosed with a concussion after visiting Dr. Arthur Gordon, who could now be a powerful witness for her.
The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department has these images as part of its investigation into the actor for domestic violence.
It was also included in Oksana’s declaration to the court in the estranged couple’s vicious custody battle over their eight-month-old daughter Lucia — and was also presented to the Department of Children and Family Services, RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.
Oksana has told police that after Mel punched her she fell back on the bed, while holding their baby. She says he then choked her with his forearm, pressing it into her throat and putting his free hand over her mouth.
As RadarOnline.com revealed, two days after the brawl, Oksana told a doctor she started experiencing excruciating headaches after the incident.
When questioned why she did not seek immediate medical treatment, RadarOnline.com has learned Oksana told authorities: “I was unable to go a hospital that night because I had no one to care for the children.”
[From Radar]
Deniers, start your engines. Do you want me to start? Oksana probably goaded him into punching her, just because she’s such a horrible gold-digger, right? She knew how crazy he was, and she knew just what to say to “get” him to punch her. Isn’t that the talking point this month? Seriously, the deniers just compound the truly horrific nature of these stories. What should be a story about domestic abuse and a victim standing up to her abuser has morphed into something even nastier – a public relations campaign to convince the world that Oksana “deserved it.” Because of her glum c-nt.
The “teeth” photo didn’t show bruising, and it wasn’t taken by the dentist. The dentist’s photo is reported to not show bruising either, but we haven’t seen it yet. This photo was taken later after the bruise had time to develop.
he’s such a bastardizing pig.
The tone of this post led me to believe it was written by CB at first. Anyway, props to Kaiser.
I’m sure Gibson’s PR crew and Oksana-bashers will claim that “she gave herself a concussion” or ask “why are these stories coming out now? why didn’t she go to the cops?” or “but WHY oh why would she leave her children with this man?” Predictably, conveniently glossing over the fact that the poor woman was abused by a monster.
EDIT: Yes thank you Detective CathyT
When he said to her – ‘No one will believe you’ — that just chills me, because he might have been right. I can’t say her releasing all this into the open is completely responsible, yet I can see why she did it.
Now this is a photo that actually shows bruising. See, she should just stick to the facts, instead of releasing sketchy photos that make people doubt PARTS of her story.
Again why is all this evidence being release to a gossip site, this is a criminal matter. Let the justice system handle this Octosona, the public already thinks Mel is a piece of shit, think about your son and daughter and seek some theraphy.
I hope Oksana now has a protection order against Mel! When a man is verbally abusive the physical abuse isn’t far behind. I know this from experience.
I get why she’s leaking it. She has total proof and is still being blamed.
No one deserves to be hit, ever. People can learn to master their emotions, ffs.
I stopped hitting when I didn’t get my own way at a very early age. Too bad Gibson wasn’t taught the same.
I still can’t get Radar – is anyone else getting the HTTP Status 500 error?
@ Jazz
No, it may be your browser.
The pic took a while to load, but I was able to view it.
When my mother told the judge that her children had seen her beaten by my x-step father, the x-step father was like: “No! I did it insecret! They never saw that!” :/ Not the smartest man. Guess who got protection?
But seriously, men are bigger than women. They just are, unless you’re Chyna or Khloe Kardassian. Bigger older people DO NOT hit younger smaller people. ESPECIALLY you DO NOT HIT WOMEN! Boys learn this in school. In the south, it isn’t tollerated at all. You can beat another man, but you better leave a girl alone. It’s hard to feel sympathy for one who doesn’t walk away from her abusers until you have seen it in your own family, or from a friend.
I loved my step-father, even though he beat the crap out of my mom. You make excuses for them, you rationalize it, you think you deserve it–and the sad thing is, other women who don’t understand think so too 🙁
Thus the cyle of abuse continues….
@Kaiser: Because of her glum c-nt.
Actually, he did not call her C*NT glum, he is saying SHE is a c*nt who happens to be glum. Apparently because she didn’t smile enough while watching a tree being planted? Or smiled at the wrong person? Or smiled when she wasn’t scheduled to smile? But yeah, just wanted to stand up for this woman’s c*nt today, since the rest of her has taken a pretty good beating. It’s the least I can do.
I’ve not been a fan of her methods, and some of the pics have been questionable, but she really does look like she got a good shiner there! If he really did hit her while holding a baby…wow…I pray he can get absolution from his god, cuz no one on earth will forgive him.
If you’re going to document physical abuse, WHY in god’s name wouldn’t you make sure the photos are well-lit and in focus???
Again why is all this evidence being release to a gossip site, this is a criminal matter. Let the justice system handle this Octosona, the public already thinks Mel is a piece of shit, think about your son and daughter and seek some therapy.
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I agree with this. It’s all too much now. Another day, Another Oksana leak. We are weeks past her “exposing” Mel. That job is done and then some. We get it. I think she is LOVING the spotlight and attention is something she has been craving for years or even decades. Like Octomom, and Spencer and Heidi, Hailey Glassman and so many others, she probably thinks any attention is good attention or she is trying to completely crucify him. Either way, I’m sick of hearing about both of them.
Also, this proves to me that she/her sister/lawyer is still leaking info. If Radar had this photo from the beginning, it would have been released before now. At some point, she will have to move forward and stop trashing him or she will ruin her daughter’s life. That little girl is going to have a horrible life growing up with a crazy father and vindictive mother who can’t stop publicly trashing her father.
Well I guess I’m still not satisfied with the evidence against Mel, call me a denier, or abuse apologist, or an evil self loathing woman hater, I really don’t care. When Rihanna was attacked by Chris Brown there was no doubt about it, her face was completely swollen and bruised and she look like someone kicked the sh*t out of her! How long after the attack was this photo taken because I just don’t see the evidence that she says fits the crime? If Mel really attacked her like she said, there would be something to show for it! So far I think it’s a lot of hype and exaggerations…Sorry for offending anyone with my opinion, I am not saying domestic violence is acceptable, and I think that it’s very important to educate the public and help people who have been truly victimized, but I also think it’s possible for someone in the public eye to exaggerate the situation to gain sympathy or to possibly win a custody battle and that’s exactly what I think Oksana is doing. People have done far worse to get attention and I guess I’m just a skeptic because something about this story doesn’t ring true.
@Whatever: If Radar had this photo from the beginning, it would have been released before now.
Eh, not necessarily. Tabloids will want to milk it for all they can, and sending out a piece at a time keeps us vultures coming back for more. But I do agree that enough is enough. I still think her methods are not the best, and I do still worry about those kids. At least though, I don’t see any actual interviews w/ Oksana – she really doesn’t seem to be putting herself in the spotlight, just kind of letting all this crap pour out. So far, she hasn’t really been media-whoring. My guess is that she is being barred from discussing any of this directly – which makes sense since she is in the middle of an ongoing investigation. Speaking of which, with all of this mudslinging going on, has anyone heard anything about where the police are with their ‘investigation’?
Who cares. She may not have gotten what she deserves but she certainly got what she wanted. Do you people honestly believe she had anything … ANYTHING else planned? 1. OOps! pregnant! 2. Leave your wife and marry me. 3. push his buttons get him to blow his well known angry top just happen to tape it all and …viola!…get rid of the old dirtbag and get lots of money! ta daaaaa! She oughta write a book “Golddigging in three easy steps”
Just a comment – I am confused on why the photos that keep coming out are of such poor quality. She is a new mother, I am sure she has a camera. If she wasn’t home SOMEONE had to have a camera worth a crap.
This whole tired story is sad, disturbing, sick and confusing. IMO.
@Squirtle – Right on! I was going to say that it’s a nice shiner, but doesn’t look like she had major blunt force trauma to the face. Certainly not something so horrific as to make her bite her own teeth off and cause a concussion. But I wussed out because I have taken a LOT of heat on this site and didn’t want to be called a “denier, or abuse apologist, or an evil self loathing woman hater”.
It stinks, because there are SO many woman who cry wolf, that it really makes it hard for actual victims to get the help/support they deserve. Some of the stuff this woman has done DOES make it hard to believe the veracity of her claims. It’s so easy for a woman to say “he beat me!” or “he raped me!” and it becomes a tool for women to get what they want. Or get revenge. A very good friend of mine spent three years in the pokey because a girl lied about her age, had sex, and then got mad at him – so she called the cops and said he forced her. Since she was underage, and he was an idiot who didn’t check her ID, he went to jail. Done. Now his life is pretty much ruined – all because some lil ho-bag thought she was playing a game and teaching him a lesson. Women have a LOT of power against men, and it is sadly wielded for revenge and amusement MUCH too often.
The key words out of all those hate-filled rants are “no one will believe you”… That is what a typical abuser says, along with all the verbal abuse he dished out. He can cry extortion 24 hrs a day, but those 5 words speak volumes… No matter what she did, nothing deserved being hit or called all those vicious names. She is still a human being, and the mother of his child. I do not believe his first wife when she said she never saw any of this behavior, I just don’t. I picture a Mel temper tantrum every time anything didn’t go his way.
All the mouthpieces defending Mel have my sympathy and sincere hope that they never have and never will be in the position that Oksana was and is.
But if they are being paid for their public denfense of Mel’s actions, I hope they rot in Hell.
the photos/tapes speak to people’s emotions. they don’t necessarily present the facts. i’m reserving judgment until the facts are presented. i understand that people will read this and decide i’m a denier or someone who condones abuse (believing the abused person ‘deserved’ it). i see a woman with a black eye in the picture. it has not been determined how the injury occurred. i hear a man ranting on the tapes and making apparently self-incriminating statements. it has not been determined whether or not the tapes have been manipulated. we, as a society, operate more on emotion than on reason. the reasonable thing to do in this situation is to wait until the investigations are completed and the results are made public. until then, all we have is speculation and emotionalism. it’s a facet of the current climate of emotionalism that those who adopt a wait-and-see attitude are besmirched. i don’t know what really happened. none of us does. i have my suspicions. but, until the facts are made known, that’s all they are–suspicions. we would all do well to remember that what we have at this point is assumptions. at some point, we’ll know the truth. but that point hasn’t arrived yet.
Squirtle wrote: “I’m still not satisfied with the evidence against Mel…”
I must ask, do you discount the audio tapes where he threatens her, doesn’t deny alligations that he hit her and even said she ‘deserved it’? Not only that, do you think it is acceptable to speak in such a manner to someone you love/d? Personally I do not, to be fair we all have opinions as to what is acceptable behaviour. I understand that people get mad as hell, but a simple ‘go f*ck yourself’ and hanging up the phone gets the point across, hours of ranting and panting, making threats and acting like a maniac, well that strikes me as terribly abusive and scary. Perhaps you find that ok, but do understand many others do not.
Yeah Mel Gibson’s team is paying people to post on Celebitchy…Right! Of Course that must be it! Couldn’t be that someone could actually have a different opinion or perspective on the situation. *sigh*
@Squirtle
Obviously people on Cele|bitchy aren’t being paid for their opinions. It’s the allegation that Robyn defending him for a pay-out and that his team is making a pact with the anti-Semetic devil that I’m talking about.
And maybe I’m in the wrong for jumping in to defend Oksana. Violence against women always raises my hackles, and I’ll fight to defend the woman even if the story doesn’t ring entirely true to others. As a woman who has had a similar situation as is being described by Oksana and released in tapes, I’m not objective in this at all, and I’ll be upfront about that.
I believe her, and until something comes out PROVING she’s crying wolf, I’m sticking with my belief.
Thanks pookie! That’s my thought exactly and that’s why I am worried about the amount of attention this story is getting. I have seen some women do pretty scandalous things to get attention: faking pregnancy to get a guy to stay with them, faking miscarriages to get sympathy, saying they were verbally abused when they didn’t get their way! I am not talking about the women who are truly in violent/abusive relationships that need help. Then when it comes time to help out those women that really need it, they don’t get it because there are too many attention-whores taking advantage of peoples good will and sympathy.
I know people hate me for this….but this whole thing is still very sketchy to me. Who is this dentist and why isn’t she giving the police the “evidence” rather than Radar online? Abuse is not something to joke around about make light of and in my opinion this is really disturbing to me on both ends of the stick.
I realize bruises take on all shapes, sizes, and colors, but I’ve never seen someone’s bruise look so veiny! The whole bruise looks veiny too me, maybe the way she was hit broke a vein or something? It looked weird to me, like not enough sleep coulped with her face being very veiny.
I’m confused why the teeth photo was leaked as if it were from the dentist, and then later denied by the denist as being his. If she didn’t want to take a picture at the Drs office, why take pictures outside of the drs office?
@Taylor B – I think some of us are looking for evidence that goes *beyond a reasonable doubt* that Mel has physically abused her in the manner in which she has alleged. Just because he rants and raves and says horrible awful things to her, it does not mean he hit her. Just because he is a womanizing bigot, it does not mean he hit her. Just because she says it’s so, it does not mean he hit her. The pictures presented are not proof positive that Mel Gibson hit her. I am sorry, they aren’t. They only way they could be, without a witness to add to the veracity of Oksana’s claims, is if he was in the picture hitting her. I agree with Tiki’s post – very well stated.
hello all call me crazy but this is not bruze of beating these are laser and injectio mark ..thats what looks to me speacially in that area i knew moment when i saw it i had it many time there , i had birth mark in the same area she has , those laser to tightskin and injection to hide her vines ,,,im not sure 100 % but as i said before it looks so much like when i had it
Is it wrong that I just do not care about the situation any longer?
please don’t hate on me , im not the judge but thought to share from my lil experiance its man wife issue so god bless them n thier kids .
@Pookie and Squirtle: What makes you experts on what qualifies as ‘blunt force trauma’? It’s been asserted already that the shiner was not from being hit in the eye, but rather from the orbital bones shifting from being hit elsewhere on the head (happens all the time). It’s also been stated that the mouth photo we have seen was taken before the bruises had time to develop, but was rather to illustrate the damage to her teeth.
It seems pretty obvious to me that she got battered about. Mel even admitted to hitting her twice in the face with the baby in her arms. What more do you need?? Good Lord.
Toto
Are u serious? lol!!! I mean you made a good point, but your grammar 🙁
btw the worst man on earth is the drunk man and woman , they don’t know what they say the don’t know what they beat and its not only the moral or physical pain a person can get from drunk people but also the sorrow to see your love ones so humilating themselves by drinking this way . boycot alchohol seriously.
@K: Sorry I misunderstood. It seemed to me like you were talking about the commenter’s on this site. There were others posting comments that Mel’s team was paying people to spin the story on sites just like this, and I just thought that seemed ridiculous.
@TaylorB: I have listened to the audio. No, personally I don’t think it’s acceptable to yell and scream obscenities at anyone, especially the person you love, and certainly I wouldn’t stand for it, but does that mean he beat her like she’s claiming? I’m not sure. I also think that the tapes sound like they have been edited. Oksana’s voice sounds strange in the tapes and it seems possible to me that they could have easily edited her voice out of the original conversation and then have her re-record over it to make it seem like she was calmly talking to him when he was screaming at her. I
english is not my language im sorry dear thats why i comment from time to time sorry
Mel for prez 2012
his slogan will be ”He hates everybody equally!”
Pookie,
Are you ok with the things he said to her? Is that not at the very least verbal abuse, which I personally feel is terrible on its own. I guess we all have limits that we set, and for me he has crossed the line even if he did not hit her in the face as you claim… frankly he lost my respect and trust at ‘sugar tits’ and blaming the ‘jews’ for all the wars in the world several years ago. If you are fine with such antics, then that is your choice, I for one am not. But to each their own.
@Crash – I am not an expert in anything, which is why I choose to question what I see rather than accept what someone else is telling me to believe. I see her eye is bruised up, but I don’t see anything on the side of her head. And having been hit on the side of my head (my brother had the genius idea of putting me on the back of his Big Wheel and kicked me square in the head) – I can tell you that it leaves a HEINOUS black and blue mark and it was visible within hours. I am just saying I really don’t see MUCH in any of these photos that have been released. And even if she did have bold marks of trauma, it still does not prove who inflicted it, does it? I can go smack myself in the head or fall down a flight of stairs, take a picture the next day, and say you did it. Would that make it true?
@toto: Some people on this site need to get off their pedestal and stop correcting other people’s grammar, it’s just rude! It’s a celebrity gossip website not an English class. You shouldn’t have to apologize.
@Taylor B – No, I am absolutely NOT ok with the things he has said to her. I find them loathsome and bone-chilling and at some points, horrifically sad. BUT, saying those things should not put him in jail. The question here is whether he beat her – the verbal abuse I don’t think has ever been debated. I too question the authenticity of the taped phone calls. The voices are at distinctively different volumes and clarity, which is strange, and there are parts that didn’t seem to match up. But even that, I am willing to toss to the wind, because he did still say those horrible awful things. My guess is they could have altered the recordings to make her sound like a demure angel, and him a stark raving lunatic. Which he really does seem to be, but yeah, probably so she can have the ammo to get full custody of Lucia. Anything that makes her look better, makes him look worse by comparison (not that it would be hard to do!)
@ Squirtle
Com’ on you can’t tell me that wasn’nt funny? I thought Toto was joking. Still think she is. YOu guys could enjoy a laugh here. This thread is insane, I gave up on these Mel/Oxy posts already. I just drop by to read them from time to time. They get way out of hand really quickly.
ty squirtle 🙂 its ok
joking about what denis? i do have birth mark and i do get laser treatment ,with argon and get injection in my face and if u sea me u will say iwas hitten by train u would never believe these were of laser or injection after session mark..
@Pookie: Forget it. It’s like beating my head against a brick wall and I have far better things to do. He’s admitted to beating her. That’s all I need to know. If you want to run circles around the evidence, that’s fine by me. Have fun.
@denise: It seemed to me like toto was defending herself, but maybe she is joking. I’m just making a statement in general; I know you’re not the only one who has made comments like that. In fact, every time I post something I have to re-read it to check for grammar because people will be so intent on pointing out what someone else has misspelled they miss the point of what they were trying to say entirely!
@ Toto
You are just what this site needed today 🙂
I don’t mean to offend you, sorry.
But yes, you are right. The bruising could be from injections, or it could be from a hit. Given Mel’s recent behavior, it may be a shiner.
@ Squirtle
I dont ever post on grammatical errors and such, this was my first time. Spell check would be nice though
🙂
He’s done and his shrill-shills only make him look worse with their transparent and ridiculous attempts to shift blame on the victim and divert attention away from him. Actually they have helped focus the issue of domestic abuse and blaming the victim tactics. Hopefully abuse victims who read articles and comments on this heinous situation will gain strength from recognizing the same bullying tactics and reject them.
Just a note for those talking about what they see as a swelling issue:
Back in 2005 I was physically assaulted on a night out by some guy who really wasn’t a fan of strangers in burger places. My face took a couple of days to swell to it’s full size (which was pretty damn massive, it has to be said). I was hit full on in the eye (cracking my ocular socket- the frontal process part and scarring me facially), but the bruising took over most of that half of my face. It could be that she wasn’t hit directly in the eye, and this is just the edge of a very large bruise.
Do you know the nice thing about MY assault, though? The people who diagnosed and treated my injuries were educated in medicine. How many of you are?
pookie, you’ve gotta be either a paid poster, an abuser yourself, or a sad nutcase. it’s impossible to take your ravings seriously.
There is nothing she could have done to deserve the treatment she received from him. But from the dawn of time, women have been taking the blame (Adam and Eve anyone)
@denise: You are right though, this thread is way too intense!
Everyone bruises and swells differently, even the same person from day to day will bruise and swell differently. The photos of OG are shocking, but just because a woman hasn’t bruised to your satisfaction doesn’t mean she wasn’t abused. Life is not like the movies.
i wish radar had posted this new photo with the original dentist photo. of course she tried to cover it with make up (to be in public) but without this current photo it was easier for some to doubt the bruising.
Pookie and Squirtle,
I guess we shall have to agree to disagree. You have your opinions and I have my opinions. Personally I don’t think it is ok to behave as he has, and the fact that he did not deny hitting her is very telling, but the obvious verbal abuse is enough at this point. There are many levels of abuse, all of them valid, to dismiss verbal abuse as less harmful than physical abuse is very dangerous. A smack in the face lasts a day or two, being treated like crap and verbally abused can last a lifetime.
Again, we must agree to disagree.
@Crash – I don’t know why it’s so hard for people to accept that others have different opinions – and that doesn’t make them evil buttholes or having an agenda. I am not running circles around the evidence, I am just stating my opinion on what I see. Sometimes I agree and sometimes I don’t.
I will say this though, if you are completely convinced of a man’s guilt based entirely on him saying “you deserved it” in what may or may not be an altered phone recording, I hope to hell you never serve on a jury. You’d probably have your guilty verdict ready before they start taking lunch orders on the first day.
@Taylor B – Agreed. 🙂 Thanks for being civil – this is a hot topic, and I should really just stop reading/commenting at this point. Just for the record, I do NOT condone ANY of his behavior, and I do not believe he should have custody of any child. I think he needs some serious therapy and medication. I just don’t know if he has committed an actual crime or not. And I do feel bad that she has endured all of this – I hope she is able to get help and keep her and her kids safe.
“Just because he rants and raves and says horrible awful things to her, it does not mean he hit her. Just because he is a womanizing bigot, it does not mean he hit her. Just because she says it’s so, it does not mean he hit her.”
Does the part where she asks him why he hit her and he replies with “you deserved it” mean he hit her?
In a way I get where some posters are coming from. Having photos of your bruised face doesn’t automatically mean someone beat you and caused them. But he flat out admitted on tape that he hit her with that “you deserved it” comment. Wtf?
@KsGirl: Good luck with that.
@Pookie: Please don’t call me Crash, as there is another poster by that handle, and I don’t wish there to be confusion.
Sure, you are free to your opinion. Just as I am free to point out the holes in your logic.
IMO, this woman is a solid golddigger. She seems to get her jollys by stirring the pot and egging Mel on until she gets what she wants, including getting hit. IMO, There’s something really smelly about this entire story and it’s coming from her.
I don’t believe anything Oksana throws out there. Go Mel! – I’m rooting for you!.
good i made someone laugh but everything i said true :)about me at least but don’t know about melksana peopel.
thoug i have one question , if i love someone and have kid from him why would i go puplic humliting myself and the father of my baby rather than let the the whole thing i got against him in the hand of ploice to protect me from him.
the woman who does all these steps is not weak i like what she did smart and great defensive way in law terms but i stoped liking it when it started to pop up in media .
if it was me and if he was talking to me like this i would make of him a recording tape slice him till he mowan smoothly hehehe i’d do it ,, i will not wait till he hit me .the man or woman are what word they hold under thier tongue .she let him do that to her and her baby smash him with baseball bat and end of story.
I’d find this more convincing is Kaiser didn’t seem to be baiting people.
I think the tape’s better evidence than the photo and the documentation is lousy.
@Taylor, thank you for not wishing people who disagree burn in hell, accuse them of being paid sock puppets, domestic abuse apologists etc.
Kendra wrote: “She seems to get her jollys by stirring the pot and egging Mel on until she gets what she wants, including getting hit”
So by your logic she wanted to get hit?
Really?
Toto-
In my opinion, nothing could hurt Mel more than damaging his career. Plenty of people have been involved in similar situations and the police have dealt with them, only for their careers to resume as normal once they get out of jail or pay the fine.
This way is a pretty good way of ruining his chance of ever making a successful movie again, because the public will boycott him in their thousands, perhaps millions (of course, not all of them).
This could be untrue, all I know is if someone had punched me whilst I was holding my baby they’d be lucky if their career was the only thing I tried to ruin.
OMG are you people for real…this is a comment section and everyone has a right to their opinion and if someone can’t spell Who really cares, are we in school now? WTF people…I think this whole situation should just go away already, let the cops handle it.
Yeah, Mel’s a real sweet guy (NOT).
@ TaylorB and Crash2G02 –> Right on.
To all of the people who want to cry about their grammar being corrected:
It isn’t rude to correct people’s grammar! You should welcome it. If my grammar is incorrect, I fully expect and welcome all corrections/style suggestions. Learning something new and improving one’s skills is a good thing.
The movie Idiocracy should be required viewing for everyone.
The same people who defend Mel no mather what and blame the victim trying to find faults or motivations about her making him do those things as to belittle the crime in itself are often among the ones (for most) who want that equally basterd Polanski prosecute for that second rumored and not proved yet abusive act.
They go in full force against that psychopat peadophile Polanski, not asking proofs whatsoever, not blaming the parents whatsoever or asking the parents to be deprived from their children as the bad parents they are (compared to the Mel case where they even question the validity of the tapes ir the authenticity of the voce) for that criminal act which is not yet as documented as the MEL/Oksana one.
Same psychopath abusers who need jail time in a special cse for animals their genre and no excuse whatsoever, Same victims who don’t need a second abuse by people who blame them, one proven verbal abuses of epic proportions with hints of sexual derogatory words thrown at children and possibly physical abuses, the other sexual abuses through and through , one of which has yet to be investigated and proven.
Two basterds, scum of society, two totally opposite different reactions from people in terms of treatment towards the victims (Women and children in the case of Mel) while sugarcoating and excusing by blaming the victim one abuser but not the other.
Sickenning double standards.
‘@Pookie and Squirtle: What makes you experts on what qualifies as ‘blu,nt force trauma’? ‘
@Crash2Go2 Thank you! So many abusers get away with abuse b/c the first thought is not to believe them. And marks come in various shapes and forms. When CPS took pictures of my body at 10 yrs old I had round bruises down the back of my legs. It was from a run in w/a hairbrush and my step father. My mother told the counselor the bruises were from me poking myself with the lead of a pencil to get my stepfather in trouble.
As a young teen my father hit me upside the head and my jaw hit against a metal bar. It didn’t even leave a bruise however it left permanent damage to my jaw. I am now in the process of getting my jaw fixed to stop the constant head/neck pain. Again that blunt force trauma left NO bruise, but it did cause TMJ (or made it worse).
The fact that Mel admitted to hitting her and then said ‘no one will believe you’ is enough for me. If my ex had accused me of hitting him (especially with my child in his arms) I would have denied it repeatedly.
fae @This could be untrue, all I know is if someone had punched me whilst I was holding my baby they’d be lucky if their career was the only thing I tried to ruin .hahahah
hahaha very true thats what i meant excatly in such moment not all his carrier not all his friends or dfamily would stop me from defnding my child screw any man who abuse any woman verbaly , and women please don’t let any man use bad words with u , the moment u let them they will never stop its the way they r raised so i believe all women should immdiatly leave the verbal abuser before geting worst .
i really don’t know how a respectable woman would live with somone talks to her like shyt !!!
Sigh, i dont really care at this point whats going on, but….. why cant any of these women afford a good camera!?!?!?!
I clicked on the link to see a photo and all I get is a blurry mess, its hard to tell what Im looking at. I hope she dont plan on using this photo as evidence. My little Kodak takes better pictures than that and I bought it at Wal-Mart for $135. If she took the photos as proof, spend the extra fifty bucks on a good high res camera!
@cantbelieve – The fact that Mel admitted to hitting her and then said ‘no one will believe you’ is enough for me.
–if that is enough for you, that’s perfectly ok, and no one here is trying to change your mind (ok, at least *I* am not :-)). But some others don’t feel it’s enough evidence to convict. And if that truly was rock-solid indisputable evidence, then wouldn’t he have been arrested by now? Is that enough to arrest someone? I am not trying to be snide, I am honestly asking. And if your only response is going to be that all of the police and district attorneys in California are puppets to the stars, I just don’t find that terribly convincing. I need to hear if there has been any other criminal case brought against someone based solely on those pieces of evidence. I would think if this was enough to have him arrested, there would be a dozen women’s interest groups pounding the doors of the DA’s office in Cali, demanding justice. At the very least, there would be someone out there saying something to that effect right? I mean, Nancy Grace would have a six hour marathon dedicated to it! 🙂
@(& Crash2GO2) – sorry for amending your name, didn’t know there was another using Crash and I was being lazy. I am not trying to bait you, but what exactly is the hole in my logic? I am honestly curious as to what you are referring to, because even though we disagree, I enjoy your posts.
@cantbelievethis:”My mother told the counselor the bruises were from me poking myself with the lead of a pencil to get my stepfather in trouble.”
Oh. This just makes my heart ache for the little girl that was you and the fact that your own mother didn’t protect you from abuse. 🙁 Thank God you have risen above that with your own child.
@pookie – So your expert opinion on the signs and presentations of bunt force trauma is a purely anecdotal and specific event from your childhood, involving a Big Wheel? You are like the House M.D. of CelebBitchy.
The amount of bruising that occurs, and the time it takes that bruising to appear, is directly proportional to the amount of force causing the injury, the location of the injury, the nature of what caused the injury, etc. If the force was sufficient enough to traumatize the body’s deep tissues, it will take LONGER for the bruise to appear, because the blood from the injured deep tissue and broken capillaries must travel farther to reach the surface of the skin enough to be visible. That is why barking your shin on a coffee table will show a bruise within an hour, while if you are in a car accident, it may be a matter of a few days before the full extent of bruises resulting from the traumatic force are visibly presented.
‘And if that truly was rock-solid indisputable evidence, then wouldn’t he have been arrested by now? Is that enough to arrest someone? I am not trying to be snide, I am honestly asking.’
Personally I would think his admission would be enough to arrest him, however he has alot of legal muscle behind him to pull every legal trick in the book. Therefore the DA is going to want an air tight case. A loss reflects badly on a DAs record and right or wrong, they tend to only want to try cases they know they can win.
Heck even in my case, CPS had solid evidence that a crime had been committed (they had not only bruises from the hairbrush but from a belt and an eyewitness). No charges were filed. We were taken away for awhile and then stepfather had to sign a paper that said he would only
hit on the buttocks with an open hand. Even with everything that happened he doesn’t have a criminal record (although he should’ve spent a LONG, LONG time in jail).
It isn’t just CA or celebrities. The justice system isn’t perfect and investigations take time and sometimes nothing substantial is done.
Crash2GO2, it looks like there’s now a faux crash. Maybe same troll that took over kittens name. Troll baiting and name stealing became a fine art during the 2008 dem primary. The young Obama flacks would hit the Hillary sites and take over the posters names just for the fun of it. I have no doubt that mels flacks have paid commenters all over the web. All you have to do is look at tmz & e. Also, this is a very popular site, so I would be amazed if there weren’t paid trolls here. I’m done trying to argue with them. Say whatever stupid anti-woman, abuser-loving thing you want, trolls, I could care less. The commenter that suggested she tasered herself was really funny. Mel’s pr are obviously pulling out all the stops to salvage his reputation, a lost cause, I think. The fact that he obviously hit her hard when she was holding their tiny baby will hopefully make a strong impression on cps. What a pig. She could’ve easily dropped the baby and it could have died.
@Crash2GO2 Thank you for the kind words. Surprisingly I am okay, there was a lot of abuse my mom either refused to believe or blamed me for. I only share the stories now b/c I hope that maybe it will help someone either get out of a situation or understand that bad things can/do happen.
I think when you grow up in a relatively ‘normal’ situation it is hard to understand how common abuse is and how devastating (physically and emotionally) it can be. It is also easy to think “I would do this” or “if it really happened the police would do something”. It just isn’t always that clear cut and the world isn’t always fair.
Just because people believe Oksana was setting Mel up doesn’t mean they support him. He’s obvious psycho and she’s taking full advantage of that. Whether it’s for her child or money nobody knows accepts her. But I can’t believe that people don’t think she’s the one releasing these tapes and photos. And when I say she that includes her team (lawyers, family, etc).
The commenter that suggested she tasered herself was really funny.
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Someone actually said that? Oh my.
I feel badly for her, her children, and anyone who is put in a scary, abusive situation like this. Mel deserves to be chained in a very smelly sewer. But why not call the police right after it happened and have them do the official photo taking? I don’t understand her handling of the situation, it seems to be killing her credibility and giving Mel’s team ammo against her.
When asked by authorities why she didn’t seek immediate medical attention (except to go to the dentist?!), she said there was no one to watch the children. Well good grief, wouldn’t that be the time to pack up the kids and get the heck out of there??? Especially since the baby was allegedly hurt? Maybe wait until he’s in the shower or asleep and run for it? There must be more to the story, because otherwise something just doesn’t add up here. Team Lucia and Alexander!
dlisted has a good post up about mel pigsons latest weirdness. Look for the post under the pic of the baby kangaroo. He says that during the tree ceremony, they also buried the baby’s placenta! He also says that pigson was interviewed by the LA Cty Sheriffs (Sheriffs-to-the-Stars!) and took the fifth amendment. tmz says that mel always buries the placentas of his kids and gives the further info that mels talk with the Sheriff-to-the-Stars was not about the custody or domestic abuse angle of the case, but was about mels extortion complaint! Mel supposedly gave evidence for his extortion complaint, but took the 5th Amendment when asked about his own actions and statements!?!?! Hilarious! Oh, tmz also offers up the info that mel wasn’t drunk during his rages and hasn’t touched alcohol since his ’06 dui arrest. I’m going to take mel at his word & assume he wasn’t drunk, that he is just the biggest sh%thead in the world.
@jane16: I don’t think that is a faux Crash. When I registered here, I tried to take that name, and it was already taken. So, unfortunately, we have a legitimate apologizer here.
@cantbelievethis: Excellent point about Mel’s legal muscle. The DA is going to be very careful with this case and make sure they have all their i’s dotted and their t’s crossed before they bring about any formal charges. And with all the tapes made public, you’d better believe Oksana doesn’t have to worry about being buried in the rose garden anymore.
The fact that she has or not released the tapes is not only irrelevant but a distraction for those who want us to forget the main crime : Mel Gibson absues.
The fact that she didn’t went right away to the police is irrelevant when you know that you don’t have enough evidence to make sure he doesn’t strike back. The fact that people have to keep on using that as a claim of ‘guilt’ in Oksana’s persona while on the otherhand they don’t ask the same quick reaction from people who years after the abuses talk about their abusive past (as in the latest rumors of the Polanski case)is again a distraction from the main crime aimed at belitteling and excusing Mel’s criminal acts.
Mel is the criminal one, Oksana and her two children are the victims of his abusess. Ain’t nothing gonna change that, not even blatant cynical distractions to shift the guilt of that crime from the offender to the offendees.
@elvisgrace – I never stated I was a professional anything, and I was giving a story (as many others here have done) of my own experience w/ that kind of bruising. Again, I am simply questioning and curious about ALL of it and not just taking everything that is listed as “shocking evidence” on a tabloid site as gospel truth.
And honestly, by your logic, a LACK of bruise is now evidence of abuse? Why not take pictures then when there is actually something to be photographed? I am sure it’s possible that the tabloids are holding out on bigger and better photos, cuz they are scuzzy that way and want to milk the publicity day by day. But if this is all there is as concrete photo evidence, I am sorry, I just don’t see it.
My only stance here is wait until all the FACTS are in before making absolute judgments about people and being ready to burn them at the stake. If you feel that saying the things he said, regardless of ‘physical’ abuse, is worthy of a lynch mob reaction, so be it. That’s absolutely your choice. But my motivation for thinking the way I do about this and commenting the way I have is because Americans constantly run the risk of using their emotion to decide guilty verdicts. Take the case of Melinda Duckett – this woman was harangued by Nancy Grace to the point that she committed suicide. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/06/nancy-grace-interview-con_n_381846.html
It’s realities like this that make me step back and say wait, let’s weed through the gossip and BS stories and mudslinging and get to the TRUTH of the matter. There are some sad souls here posting some horrible accusations at Oksana, and putting the blame on her, but that is NOT what *I* am doing. There is a difference between people that are spewing hate at this woman, and myself who is just asking reasonable questions after seeing these articles/photos.
It’s looks like a vein. Check out this pic from September 2009.
http://celebritybabyscoop.com/2009/09/22/oksana-grigorievas-london-bump
Am i the only one who opens different photos on clicking on the link provided above? please someone give me a direct link of the bruised photo.
@ Kendra, would you please shut the feck up? I might not agree with Pookie but at least s/he is backing up her beliefs with something solid. You on the other hand are about as real as a paid whore’s moan!
Listening to Mel Gibson’s tirades seriously makes me ill
I feel kind of sick because there’s another commenter with my name. She supports Mel Gibson. Gross.
Much props to those commenters who are fighting the good fight (you know who you are!)
As for me, I’m all set with the “back and forth” with commenters regarding the issue of Gibson’s domestic abuse.
It always seems to come back to people questioning Oksana’s past and her motives etc etc. It’s like asking “What did Nicole Brown Simpson do to cause OJ to murder her?” I don’t care about what led up to the incident in question, all I care about is the result. In this case the result is documentation of this man’s mysogynistic rage and (alleged/probable) physical abuse towards the the mother of his child.
I’ll let the rest of you dissect the victim’s past and analyze her actions during the nightmare that has been her life with a rageaholic monster. I’m really not sure what you all get out of it by judging her…
“If you feel that saying the things he said, regardless of ‘physical’ abuse, is worthy of a lynch mob reaction, so be it.”
@ pookie: if you think this is a “lynch mob” then you should read a little american history, or better yet visit a civil rights museum and educate yourself. this is not even close to a lynch mob, and people like you using such inflammatory terminology are showing your ignorance every time you post.
@pookie – I am not saying the lack of a bruise is evidence. I am speaking as to how the bruising could be more pronounced in this photo, which follows the broken tooth photo by >=24 hours.
Additionally, in these phone calls, Oksana has REPEATEDLY referenced Mel hitting her while she was holding the baby, and he has not once denied it. When I say multiple times, I don’t mean multiple times in a single call, I mean multiple times over a series of calls.
The absence of Mel’s defenders is pretty telling too… I’m sure I’m forgetting someone, but I can only think of Robyn, Whoopi “Rape-Rape” Goldberg, Mickey Rourke, and….*crickets chirping* Roman Polankski had more (additionally completely unjustified)support.
There is only one way in all of this in which it is NOT Mel Gibson’s fault. It’s not because of Oksana’s motivations or her fake tits. It’s not because she was either a glum cunt or too smiley with placenta-burying gardeners. It’s not because he’s an alcoholic or having nic fits as he quits smoking.It’s not because she failed to meet her mandated blow job quota. The only f*cking way Mel is a victim here is if he has some undiagnosed massive brain tumor that’s taken over his cerebral cortex like kudzu. Because this man is insane, and violent, and that doesn’t just happen out of the blue. The way he talked to her is not ever acceptable NO MATTER WHAT. And no matter what Robyn said to the court, I’m pretty sure he did this exact same shit to her too when they were married, seeing as he actually believed he was going to heaven b/c he’s catholic, and his wife, and the mother of his children was going to hell because she is episcopalian, and that he also refers to 12 year old boys as pussies.
Oh Christ,someone of you sound like you sh@t bonbons..record sometimes yourself when you are raging mad and then listen back the things you might say,i curse very often while driving cause bad drivers make me mad,do i mean that the slow guy in the left line is a d@ck,not really.The woman is gold digger and is not at any help of women who are really being abused,she just wants cash and will do anything to get it.
p.s. how come non of you stood up for Tiger Wood,when Elin attack him with the golf club,ha!?You are just blind defending someone only based on gender,shame on you,use your logics sometimes.
@ ks – If it had been as documented, and the injuries as severe, I would have. However, my sympathies were more for Elin, because Tiger’s insane, dangerous, and careless multiple & unprotected hook-ups with numerous, numerous partners ( that Elin was completely unaware of) exposed both Elin and her 2 very small children to diseases, not to mention public scrutiny and potential baby-mama drama. Tiger brought that shit into her home, and it was not a molehill of shit, it was a Mt Kilimanjaro size mountain of shit. To be frank, I would have done far more than she did, and was impressed with her restraint, both during that single incident, and ever since her discovery of his fuck-wit-hood.