Mel Gibson rants about “glum c-nts” & Oksana’s ex Timothy Dalton in new audio

EDGE OF DARKNESS MOVIE PREMIERE AT THE GRAUMAN'S CHINESE THEATRE IN HOLLYWOOD. LOS ANGELES, JANUARY 26, 2010. Pic : Mel Gibson

Radar has released yet another audio tape, and I realize that I’ve lost count of what number this is. Sixth or seventh maybe. You can listen to the tape here – it’s shorter than most of them, and it basically sounds like a two-and-half minute long message that Mel left on Oksana’s answering machine, although she was actually on the line with him. Oksana stays silent and just listens as Mel rages at her. Mel isn’t panting and screaming though – he sounds very calm (for him) as he goes on and on about how Oksana should go back to Timothy Dalton because Mel doesn’t want her “glum c-nt” anymore.

A seething, cursing and furious Mel Gibson rips into Oksana Grigorieva during a jealous rant about her ex-lover, former James Bond star Timothy Dalton. It’s captured on new audio obtained and released exclusively by RadarOnline.com. This is Number 7 in the headline-making series of tapes that have featured Gibson spewing racist insults, threats, profane tirades and more.

Dalton is the father of Oksana’s 12-year-old son Alexander (nickname Sascha) and has been emotionally supporting her through her ordeal with Gibson, visiting her as recently as this past weekend. In the new tape, furious Mel says: “Did you get my last message about me being a bad father, and Tim being a great dad now?”

Oksana, who does not fight back on the new tape, utters a barely audible “no,” as Gibson continues to rant, hurling some of the most hateful language yet captured on audio.

“You didn’t hear that one?” Mel continues. “Well, you should go and f*ck him (Dalton), you know, you fickle c*nt because I don’t care.”

Gibson’s anger builds and he obscenely tells Oksana to go have sex with someone else in front of her son.

“The game’s over,” Mel yells. “Okay. The game’s over. Let the new games begin so you can get it on with anybody else and your son can watch it. What is it? Number 45 he’s going to have to look at? F*cking good.”

After that repulsive diatribe, Gibson then tells her: “I’m so f*cking sorry I had a child with you.”

Consistent with the other conversations released exclusively by RadarOnline.com, Gibson heaps profanity and verbal abuse on Oksana, again telling her that she’s used him.

“I despise you,” he says with fury in his voice. “I don’t want you back. You have proven yourself to me. You’re not the f*cking woman I want. You’re a f*cking fake. You’re a f*cking sham. You don’t know what the f*ck it means to make a man happy. You didn’t make me f*cking happy., I couldn’t make you happy with the BEST I DID FOR ANYBODY, EVER! EVER. You f*cking glum c*nt! What the f-ck do I have to do?!?”

The tape was recorded by Oksana in February as their relationship was imploding. As RadarOnline.com reported exclusively on Sunday, the couple held a tree-planting ceremony on Feb. 18 in honor of their daughter Lucia but things went badly wrong when Mel flew into a jealous rage and accused Oksana of “smiling too much” at one of the workers. At approximately 6 pm Oksana left Mel’s Malibu mansion – for good.

On this newly released tape, Mel refers to the incident and yells: “You didn’t f*cking crack a smile with the tree ceremony up there, NOTHING! What the f*ck do I have to do. And remember whose f*cking roof you’re under! You ingrate b*tch!”

Mel attempted to quit smoking several times during his relationship with Oksana and often used that as an excuse for his abusive behavior. While this new argument is taking place he makes reference to his attempt to quit smoking.

With Oksana silent, Mel yells: “You f*cking ruined me! You f*cking ingrate! I’m so mad! I’m so angry! And this is NOT the nicotine, this is the truth! You f*cking don’t love me one bit and you know it, you using b*tch.”

[From Radar]

The tree-planting ceremony that Mel alludes to was on February 18, more than a month after Mel hit Oksana and threatened her with a gun. They had gotten together to plant a tree in honor of Lucia, on Mel’s Malibu property. Allegedly (or not so), Mel had a fit when Oksana began talking to a gardener, and when Mel started raging at her in person, she left. And then I guess he called her – this audio – to rage at her some more. He sounds so possessive and jealous, but so childish and idiotic that he’s going to call her up and tell her all the reasons she’s not good enough for him. Mel is the original Glum C-nt.

By the way, Timothy Dalton came to see Oksana and Alexander again this weekend. Yeah… if I was Mel, I would be jealous too. Dalton’s still got it, in my opinion. He looks good!

Former James Bond actor Timothy Dalton appeared flustered by the cameras as he arrived at ex-wife Oksana Grigorieva s house to pick up his son Alexander Dalton on July 24, 2010 in Los Angeles, CA. The 12 year-old Alexander Dalton has been named as the key witness supporting Oksana s accusations of domestic abuse against ex-husband Mel Gibson, whose recent telephone blowout revealed Gibson numerously threatening both Oksana and Alexander. Along with Alexander, Timothy Dalton has stated his full support for his ex-wife in the filed restraining order against Gibson and was reported saying that he does not want Mel to come within 10ft of his son. He has also stated support behind her battle for custody over Lucia, the eight-month old daughter between her and Gibson.  Fame Pictures, Inc

Former James Bond actor Timothy Dalton appeared flustered by the cameras as he arrived at ex-wife Oksana Grigorieva s house to pick up his son Alexander Dalton on July 24, 2010 in Los Angeles, CA. The 12 year-old Alexander Dalton has been named as the key witness supporting Oksana s accusations of domestic abuse against ex-husband Mel Gibson, whose recent telephone blowout revealed Gibson numerously threatening both Oksana and Alexander. Along with Alexander, Timothy Dalton has stated his full support for his ex-wife in the filed restraining order against Gibson and was reported saying that he does not want Mel to come within 10ft of his son. He has also stated support behind her battle for custody over Lucia, the eight-month old daughter between her and Gibson.  Fame Pictures, Inc

Former James Bond actor Timothy Dalton appeared flustered by the cameras as he arrived at ex-wife Oksana Grigorieva s house to pick up his son Alexander Dalton on July 24, 2010 in Los Angeles, CA. The 12 year-old Alexander Dalton has been named as the key witness supporting Oksana s accusations of domestic abuse against ex-husband Mel Gibson, whose recent telephone blowout revealed Gibson numerously threatening both Oksana and Alexander. Along with Alexander, Timothy Dalton has stated his full support for his ex-wife in the filed restraining order against Gibson and was reported saying that he does not want Mel to come within 10ft of his son. He has also stated support behind her battle for custody over Lucia, the eight-month old daughter between her and Gibson.  Fame Pictures, Inc

Wearing a cross and a saint necklace, Oksana Grigorieva, ex-girlfriend and mother of Mel Gibson s child, made her way into yet another attorney's office this afternoon in Los Angeles, Ca on July 23, 2010.  Fame Pictures, Inc

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  1. CathyT says:

    I feel horrible for Dalton’s son.

  2. RHONYC says:

    mel.
    o.j.
    ike turner.

    to the wood chipper with ’em all, i say!

    🙁

  3. Fluffy Kitten Tail says:

    Man, Timothy Dalton looks bad these days.

  4. a says:

    that poor boy looks so sad. shame on gibson… it’s funny that in all of his movies the most famous bits are when he’s yelling about something… and we thought he was acting.

  5. Lesley says:

    Dalton’s hot. The dude is over 60….he looks super fine.

  6. Whatever says:

    Ugh, I read this weekend that she said she had phone messages and I just knew she would be releasing them. Enough Oksana, you’ve proved your point and we don’t want to hear any more. Now, she’ll turn over the messages, one at a time of course, to stay in the spotlight and collect more $$. Gross.

  7. Jazz says:

    Dalton’s probably just glad he got off easy.

  8. OXA says:

    @whatever
    Radar has said that they did not get the tapes from Oksana, they came from another source and Radar did not pay for them.

  9. Green Is Good says:

    Why is Octosana continuing to release these tapes? For more media attention? Why? We get it. Mel’s an abusive assh*le.

    By amping up an already volatile situation, Mel is never going lay a settlement on her. Not without a messy legal fight.

    And despite Mel’s insane, horrible behavior, the only thing the gold-digger is entitled to is child support. She was Mel’s mistress, NOT his wife.

  10. Cirque28 says:

    Repulsive diatribe is right.

    Gibson’s kind of freakier when he’s not panting– his verbal attacks sound so deliberate.

  11. Green Is Good says:

    Additional: I feel so sorry for Alexander. Poor little kid being in the middle of this kind of insanity.

  12. meme says:

    I think Mel would be good for Hohan. They should hook after she fails rehab again.

  13. LOVE ANGELINA says:

    Radar is releasing the tapes not Oksana, they are cleverly letting each one go, one at a time. Got them tons of publicity to. Frankly I am tired of the tapes to. I can’t listen to him call her a c*nt anymore, his crazy possessive behavior, and his awful tone of voice. I feel bad for Oksana. Poor woman has been through a lot. Her son looks really sad in that picture, he must have witnessed some hellish things. Poor guy. I really hope Oksana can get full custody of their daughter because she doesn’t need to be exposed to this.

  14. Patricia says:

    I think Dalton looks very hot( for 66 years old).He aged better like Gibson.

  15. mimi says:

    Shame on Oksana for allowing any tapes to be released that mock her son. Good Lord woman..have a heart.

  16. Fae says:

    @Fluffy Kitten Tail

    a) he’s in his mid 60s.
    b) watch Hot Fuzz. He’s far more attractive than when he was Bond, IMO.

    Where’s Eli Roth when you need him? A nice bit of Bear Jew’s just what Mel needs most.

  17. Whatever says:

    @whatever
    Radar has said that they did not get the tapes from Oksana, they came from another source and Radar did not pay for them.

    Um, ok, I believe that. First HER recordings off HER iphone, now HER recordings from HER answering machine. Yeah, it can’t be Oksana. Please. All Americans are not stupid, Oksana. Even if it was her sister, as claimed, it STILL came from her.

  18. Lindsay says:

    OXA- Radar has said that they did not get the tapes from Oksana, they came from another source and Radar did not pay for them. I have a hard time believing that, maybe they didn’t pay her but they had to have been given with the condition they came from someone else for public opinion and to cover her ass legally and not get hauled in for contempt of court and even illegal wiretapping.

    She had to have at least known about. The strategy is too well orchestrated. I could believe that a friend came across one tape and thought this was the best way to defend her friend, but coming across this many is no longer a coincidence. If she didn’t at least want them released, by herself or someone else she would have done a better job securing them, in a safe perhaps, until they went to court. She is not stupid enough to believe if she leaves them just lying around that they will stay private at this point.

  19. TaylorB says:

    Dalton looks great, but he needs to wash that car.

  20. ering says:

    Her son is such a cutie! A little heartbreaker in the making. I hope he rebounds from this hell he’s in and glad his dad is there for him.

  21. CathyT says:

    Semantics. Oksana may not have personally spoken to Radar, but her lawyer has. Radar says they haven’t paid for the recordings, but they admit to paying “licensing fees.” Maybe Radar paid for the “story” rather than the tapes. Not to mention there are the photos and text messages.

  22. GatsbyGal says:

    Timothy Dalton…omfg, he’s still got it. I remember the first time I ever saw him in The Beautician and the Beast with Fran Drescher (am I spelling that right…oh well). So hot.

  23. Squirtle says:

    What about this story is making people so damn gullible? Just because Radar says they did not get the tapes from Oksana does not mean that is true, give me a break! Obviously they got the tapes from her! Who else would have given them out? Oh that must have been Mel Gibson sabotaging his own career. I will never understand why people automatically take Oksana’s side in this situation, it just seems so obvious to me that she is not out for the best interest of her own or her children’s safety, she’s out to make a profit!

  24. Embee says:

    It’s a real sign of how much we blame women victims to see the judgment of Oksana for releasing the tapes. The torture this woman has suffered is unfathomable. She, frankly, deserves a witness to her suffering.

    Hopefully the collective horror our society expresses will pierce the fog for other women who are similarly suffering, and allow them to begin to see an alternative.

    During the course of writing this comment I have decided that the release of these tapes is actually a public service, and the most helpful use of gossip outlets I have ever seen.

  25. RHONYC says:

    @ Fae

    Where’s Eli Roth when you need him? A nice bit of Bear Jew’s just what Mel needs most.

    —————————————

    word up.

    @ Embee:

    It’s a real sign of how much we blame women victims to see the judgment of Oksana for releasing the tapes. The torture this woman has suffered is unfathomable. She, frankly, deserves a witness to her suffering.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    agreed.

    that f$cker is a prick and a bully. it’s high time that women (internationally) stand up to a#$hole abusive men who think they can get away with this sh#t.

    may he perish.

    d#ck.

  26. pookie says:

    @Embee – The torture this woman has suffered is unfathomable. She, frankly, deserves a witness to her suffering.

    Agreed, it is unfathomable and inexcusable. But, she has had witnesses to her suffering. Her children. One of which, Sascha, could have been removed from the situation. Instead, he was left in the house of a crazed mad man, to allegedly be beaten and harassed. This is still the part that makes no sense to me. If she couldn’t run away with her daughter, she could have at least sent her son to live with his real father or a family member.

  27. gracie says:

    But who give a flying f*ck how they got the tapes? So what if she gave them to the media? Or her friend did?

    The message here people is that MEL GIBSON IS DANGEROUS AND INSANE. He is a threat to all that cross him.

    Jesus…and people wonder why abused women don’t get the help they need!
    It’s because judgemental people like some of you try to shame them into going home and being quiet.

    MEL IS THE BAD PERSON HERE. PERIOD.

  28. denise says:

    Everyone , take a break from the insanity and skip on over to a happier thread.
    😉

  29. xxodettexx says:

    Mel is the original Glum C-nt. -Kaiser

    Preach it!

  30. logan says:

    First, this man (Gibson) has some severe mental problems. Second, these tapes should have never been released to the public. Who knows how much damage it did to her case of abuse. These should have been handed over to the police only. That being said Gibson could have only been taken advantage of when he left Oksana take advantage of him. To leave you wife so many years for an affair what did he expect? This man is a danger to any one he comes in contact with. He is just another pathic Hollywood type who is so used to getting what he wants, when he wants it.

  31. gg says:

    I agree that anybody who is so abusive needs to be outed publicly. Unfortunately there are too many kids involved in this situation though. So much damage from this one crazy @sshole. He needs to go into deep hiding and stay there in his shame, and get help.

    I think that if you are that insane and abusive, it doesn’t matter what other people do because you are going to be dangerous no matter what.

  32. Mouse says:

    These two are both despicable people. Yes, we now all know that Gibson is a psychotic, alcoholic, abusive scumbag who deserves to be locked up and medicated. But I’m not on Oksana’s side here either. She seems completely conniving and self serving, and the only reason either of her children were conceived was to tie her to their fathers and get money from them. That is beyond disgusting. No, of course she doesn’t deserve Mel’s abuse, but she’s not exactly innocent either exploiting the situation for all it’s worth.

    Her son is a cutie. And yeah, Dalton’s still got it, I’d hit that. I love his voice. Too bad he’s stuck having to deal with that woman and is being dragged into Mel’s drama.

  33. Crash2GO2 says:

    Their son is beautiful. I’m so sorry for what he has been put through. Thank goodness his dad is present and supportive of him and hopefully his mom too.

  34. Rosanna says:

    How is it even possible not to be on Oksana’s side? I just don’t know!

  35. gretchen says:

    I have been following this for a few weeks and I must say that the tide seems to be turning in Mr. Gibson’s favor

  36. Kiska says:

    I love Timothy Dalton. Considering his age, I think he looks mighty fine.

  37. gretchen says:

    kiska, me too!! he is my favorite 007!!

  38. jane16 says:

    the tide is turning in Gibsons favor?!?! wtf? Have you even listened to the tapes? To any of them? I can’t believe some of these comments. Yeah, honey, you try to fight a custody battle against a billionaire, who also happens to be a very powerful man, and a total pyschopath, and you see how well you fare on your own.

  39. jane16 says:

    Her lawyer said a long time ago that she gave the tapes to a friend in case “something” ended up happening to her. What she meant by that was that she didn’t want to be the next Nicole and have mad mel get away with it, like oj did. Her friend decided it was time the public knew what this jerk was really all about. I couldn’t agree more. Check out my comments at the end of the last mel story. The hardworking people in the entertainment industry are fed to the teeth with this lunatic, and are cheering on oksana.

  40. jane16 says:

    He really looks demonic in that top pic.

  41. jane16 says:

    Not only does Dalton look a million times better, he’s a better actor. He was in a Lion in Winter when he was young, with Katharine Hepburn & Peter O’Toole. Amazing movie.

  42. original kate says:

    “the only reason either of her children were conceived was to tie her to their fathers and get money from them. ”

    i am really tired of hearing this bullshit. nobody forced mel and timothy to sleep with oksana – if they didn’t want to be fathers they should have used a goddamned condom – or get a vasectomy. oh that’s right – mel doesn’t believe in birth control.

  43. pookie says:

    @original kate – totally agree. It takes two to make a baby, and even in this day and age, it’s considered the woman’s responsibility to deal with birth control. If these guys are so worried about being used for their money, they should rethink the relationship and absolutely not have kids with mistresses!

  44. gracie says:

    @Original Kate: Thank you! These are my thoughts exactly.

  45. jane16 says:

    Yes, well said Original Kate. Another point is that he believes birth control (and therefore safe sex) are a sin. Thats what his church teaches anyway, and why he has so many kids.

  46. MSat says:

    Why does it matter if Oksana released the tapes? It’s not like she hired a Mel impersonator. That’s really him. And he talked to her like this on a regular basis, obviously. Why is that her fault?

    It’s about time someone exposed this piece of crap for what he really is. Who cares how it happened- he did it, he said it. He is so scary and creepy. I may not understand what she ever saw in him, or why she had a child with him, but I understand why she taped his whacked-out phone calls and why the media got hold of them. I would have done it too. How many times on these tapes did he say that no one would believe her? Jeez, he is a nightmare.

  47. Julie says:

    jane16@41: Yup, yup, yup, The Lion In Winter, my all time favorite movie. Dalton was in his early 20’s when he played King Philip of France and brilliantly held his own with the likes of Anthony Hopkins, Kate Hepburn, and Peter O’Toole who unbelievably did not win an Oscar for his perfect performance. Although Hepburn did. Great movie, great music, the ultimate Christmas flick. “And we’re the fat that’s in the fire”!!! Thanks for reminding me.

    Oh, and Gibson sucks.

  48. jane16 says:

    MSat,Brava!

  49. jane16 says:

    The mel trolls on e & tmz keep saying that “she set him off somehow”, that she did something really evil to get him to say these things. Pitiful. He says in the tapes what she has done to set him off, didn’t blow him before jacuzzi, didn’t smile, etc. Mel & his troll army never deny its him saying these things, just that its her fault he said them! Also, interesting new development @ hubbies work (studio–cant say which one). The employees are being told to quit talking about mel, period. To each other, or to outsiders. Mel and his people must really be turning on the heat.

  50. juice in LA says:

    @RHONYC- Amen. Where is a little fargo action when you need it?

    @Gatsby Girl- LOL on the Fran Drescher reference. Good times!

    in all serious lots of people here made good points about how sad it is for the kids and the truly frightening aspect of his anger. Let’s only hope local law enforcement are ready for him to blow.

  51. juice in LA says:

    Mel should sell his rants as names for bands.

    “The Glum C*nts featuring Courtney Love and Paris Hilton”. Lindsanity can sing a guest solo.

  52. Mistral says:

    Timothy Dalton looks great!

    As for all of these people pissed off about Oksana or someone connected to her releasing the tapes—WHO CARES?????????

    Domestic abuse is STILL pretty much a silent epidemic in North America!!!!

    Abusers STILL get away with most of the shit they do to their families.

    Workplace bullying is STILL a huge problem that is only now starting to get some attention.

    The release of tapes like these, and the discussion of these issues in the open, is POSITIVE.

    Maybe some abuse victim somewhere will hear the tapes, as will their abusers, and they will hear what all of the regular people say about these psychotic tapes, and MAYBE it will open their eyes to how messed up that is. Maybe someone will be able to open up about it and get help. If even one person is helped by it somewhere, then good.

  53. bizzy says:

    You f*cking glum c*nt!

    never mind, mel. my vagina is smiling its biggest teeth-baring smile for you *right now*.

  54. Whatever says:

    It matters that she released the tapes because she was court ordered not to do so. Why does she get to ignore the courts? Also, I stopped listening to the tapes because it feels like I’m listening to someone having a total mental breakdown and that is not entertainment. Mental illness is also a silent epidemic that is often untreated. I think his rage is alcohol fueling a deeper mental illness, whether bipolar or another form, it is not for public entertainment and mockery.

    The argument that it is ok and somehow a public service to release these tapes is absurd. The first two got that job done. Now I think she is really loving the spotlight and doesn’t want to let go. So now she is releasing taped phone messages to stay in the headlines. (or her sister, it’s all the same thing) She admitted in court that nothing has happened since Feb, so she is not in fear. We are well past any other motive other than wanting fame. She wanted to be famous and like so many others nowaday, the girl doesn’t know the difference between famous and infamous. The whole thing is sick.

  55. Shay says:

    I don’t care what spin Mel’s ex Robyn uses. Men don’t just start referring to women they are mad with as ‘glum c-nts’ overnight, or c-nts, in general.
    He has had decades of practice with an enabler wife.
    I wonder if Mel would be so gung-ho if Oksana had other male members of her family (I’m not sure if she does). To my understanding, her only family is minimal, in LA and so Mel takes great pleasure.

  56. Ruffian9 says:

    THAT’S Timothy Dalton?

    Dude.

  57. Ruffian9 says:

    gracie:July 26th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    WORD. To your entire post.

    To reiterate: “But who give a flying f*ck how they got the tapes? So what if she gave them to the media? Or her friend did?”

    “MEL IS THE BAD PERSON HERE. PERIOD.”

    Mel can rot. Slowly.

  58. mary jane says:

    A “normal” woman wouldn’t have listened to two and a half minutes of this.

    I’m not on Oksana’s side. She’s down there in the trenches right alongside him. She has absolutely no class. And he’s repulsed by both her and himself.

  59. Liana says:

    I’d do Timothy Dalton.

  60. original kate says:

    “A “normal” woman wouldn’t have listened to two and a half minutes of this.”

    and a “normal” man wouldn’t say any of this.

  61. snappyfish says:

    The little boy is very handsome. I feel exceptionally bad for what he has had to go through.

    The tirades that Mel has spewed while mentioning Alexander shows what kind of degenerate monster Gibson really is

    I wish only the best for Alexander

  62. CathyT says:

    “Why does it matter if Oksana released the tapes?”

    Because she would have violated a court ordered restraining order. Because she would have illegally leaked sealed evidence concerning a minor. Because in order to show the world that she is a victim, she would have victimized her own son and daughter. No mother who cared about the emotional wellbeing of her children would leak these recordings to the internet. This pales in comparison to Kim Basinger leaking the “thoughtless little pig” recording.

  63. Crash2GO2 says:

    Oh, original Kate. Do tell! What is ‘normal’? Because if you know, you should be a life coach. Really.

  64. trashaddict says:

    Oh Mel you have gone and ranted at the best Mr. Rochester there ever was. Timothy Dalton was to die for in Jane Eyre. So Mel, go and dig yourself a hole and bury yourself in it, if you’re not going to take your lithium.

  65. sabine says:

    Wow, Mel Gibson has I-S-S-U-E-S.
    Anger management, anybody?

  66. nnn says:

    Mel = psychopath

  67. j. ferber says:

    The poor boy looks so sad. And Oksana looks exceptionally thin. Timothy Dalton looks good, but he should shed the spare tire around his middle. Oh, and by the way, Mel Gibson is the devil. The devil, I say. I wish to God he’d move back to Australia. America doesn’t need his kind.

  68. Madison says:

    Mel = psychopath + Oksana = nutcase couple.

  69. daisy424 says:

    NEW YORK – The Anti-Defamation League on Monday s l a m m e d filmmaker Oliver Stone for comments he made to the Sunday Times in the U.K., calling them anti-Semitic.
    Abraham Foxman, ADL national director, said:
    “Oliver Stone has once again shown his conspiratorial colors with his comments about “Jewish domination of the media” and control over U.S. foreign policy. His words conjure up some of the most stereotypical and conspiratorial notions of undue Jewish power and influence.”
    *
    Stone issued an apology Monday afternoon. “In trying to make a broader historical point about the range of atrocities the Germans committed against many people, I made a clumsy association about the Holocaust, for which I am sorry and I regret,” Stone said in a statement.
    *
    When asked in an interview with the Sunday Times of London why there was “such a focus on the Holocaust,” Stone replied: “The Jewish domination of the media.” He added: “They stay on top of every comment, the most powerful lobby in Washington. Israel has f***** up United States foreign policy for years.”

    The American Jewish Committe also weighed in Monday, comparing Stone to Mel Gibson. “By invoking this grotesque, toxic stereotype, Oliver Stone has outed himself as an anti-Semite,” said AJC Executive Director David Harris. “For all of Stone’s progressive pretensions, his remark is no different from one of the drunken, Jew-hating rants of his fellow Hollywood celebrity, Mel Gibson.”

  70. MooHoo says:

    If someone with that much power and money and violence was threatening to take away our baby, i wonder what I would resort to to ensure that baby stayed with me and was protected? Extreme measures I think. Nicely going to a lawyer and arranging to share paternity would not be the way to go in this case methinks.

  71. nnn says:

    Mel is the the bad guy, period !.

    How can an adult wishes his partner to abuse and have some kind of peadophilic behaviour towards her son baffles my mind and that is precisely what he did.

    And this man wants to raise his child ? Please, he has those nasty peado ideas, he often uses derogatory words with sexual conotations applied to a 12 year old child. He is likely to be a danger to his own child just by abusing the mother an the half brother mixing verbal violence and depraved sexuality FOR THE BOTH of them !

    Sickenning through and through!

    Nasty child abuser and woman beater !

  72. pookie says:

    @Crash: Oh, original Kate. Do tell! What is ‘normal’? Because if you know, you should be a life coach. Really.

    That wasn’t Kates message, it was Mary Janes. Kate was countering that Mel was not a normal man. Don’t worry, Kate is on your side!

    I am no life coach, but I don’t think people who are healthy and happy and self-respecting stay with abusers and take their crap on a daily basis. For whatever reason, they are broken in their own way and need help. I am not saying abuse is deserved, but if you can’t walk away from it, yeah, common sense dictates that the abused needs help just as much as the abuser.

  73. Crash2GO2 says:

    Oops! Apologies Original Kate! Thank you for clearing that up Pookie.

    I don’t agree with you 100% though. There is nothing in Oksana’s history to make us think that she was a foil for abusive relationships. Remember, they never start out that way, and abusers are VERY good at presenting well for a long time until you are emotionally involved with them before it starts. It is entirely possible for a psychologically healthy woman to get into such a relationship and take some time to extricate herself. The fact that Oksana DID get out, and relatively quickly, makes me think that she is basically psychologically healthy. She might benefit from some counseling after what she has been through, however.

  74. pookie says:

    @Crash – I’ll give you that. She most likely wasn’t in it for very long. Weird, they have been together three years, and it doesn’t really start to hit the fan until this January? I wonder if he was being more subtle in his abuse/control and then something just knocked his crazy ass over the edge? Just makes me very thankful for the healthy and happy family I have been blessed with.

  75. Cirque28 says:

    @Pookie: Being thankful for your family is a very nice takeaway!

    As to what (possibly) knocked Gibson over the edge: many abusers finally show their true colors when a woman is pregnant or there’s a new baby. She suddenly becomes more dependent, is more vulnerable, etc. So his need to win her over by behaving himself decreases– just as everyone’s stress increases. It can be a perfect storm. I forget the statistics, but it’s shocking how many victims of abuse are pregnant or new moms.