I hope you guys are prepared – this Tom Cruise-Katie Holmes thing is going to be even bigger (gossip-wise) than Tom and Nicole’s divorce. Why is that? Because Katie left. Because Katie saw her chance and she plotted and she surprised us all. Back when Nicole and Tom split, it was widely assumed (correctly, I believe) that Tom was dumping Nicole, and that Tom was the one to “surprise” Nicole with the divorce filing.
Anyway, as Bedhead discussed over the weekend, Katie Holmes (reportedly) felt as if she was being followed, monitered and spied on by CoS. When Bedhead discussed it yesterday, TMZ had already tried to get someone at CoS to comment, but they hadn’t at the time. Now, finally, the CoS is finally realizing that they need to do some due diligence on some of these reports. Gary Soter, the lawyer for the CoS told TMZ that the CoS “is not following Katie or conducting surveillance on her in the wake of her divorce with Tom Cruise.” Bullsh-t. Considering Katie had “Xenu handlers” almost as soon as she met Tom, you better believe that she was being spied on, and you better believe that the Church was keeping tabs on her while she was away from Tom. Still, it was smart of Katie and her team to release the “I’m being followed” story so early, because now the paparazzi will be extra diligent in trying to get shots of the people “following” her.
Meanwhile, TMZ and Radar both continue to have stories about “what really happened” and “the final straw” in the marriage. How’s this for a final straw? TOM WAS ALWAYS CRAZY. And the whole thing was just a contract anyway. This morning’s “last straw” story is “Tom wanted to give Suri to Sea Org.” YIKES.
The final straw in Katie Holmes’ decision to file for divorce was that she was convinced Tom Cruise was going to send 6-year-old Suri away to a hardcore Scientology organization known as Sea Organization … sources connected with Katie tell TMZ.
Sea Org, as it is known, is where the highest levels of Scientology are taught and kids as young as five can be sent to live there … without their parents — and our sources say Tom is a big fan.
Our sources say Katie and Tom had been arguing over Suri’s indoctrination into Scientology — and we’re told the Sea Org was the flashpoint.
The Sea Org has been often compared to a boot camp and several ex-Scientologists (including Oscar winner Paul Haggis) have been outspoken against its military-like conditions. The Freewinds, the massive Scientology boat that was the location of Cruise’s infamous birthday party in 2004, is entirely staffed by Sea Org members.
According to the official Scientology website, members of Sea Org sign “a one-billion-year pledge to symbolize their eternal commitment to the religion and it is still signed by all members today.”
Katie herself has first-hand knowledge of the Sea Org. When Holmes and Cruise first hooked up in 2005, Jessica Feshbach, a prominent Scientologist who had been with the Sea Org since 1994, was transferred and became Katie’s assistant/Scientology chaperone.
Feshbach, in one of Katie’s first interviews after getting together with Cruise, was described by a writer for W magazine as “cold-eyed” and “a third-wheel.”
In the end … we’re told Katie felt the only way to save Suri from being shipped off to Sea Org was to file for divorce and seek sole legal custody.
I think this sounds like a perfectly reasonable “last straw”. As do all of the other “last straw” stories. That’s the point – these stories are all fruit from the poisonous tree of “Tom Cruise is cray, Scientology is cray, and you shouldn’t have anything to do with them.” Also – Bedhead sent me this story yesterday. It’s a discussion with a legal expert who says Xenu will definitely be one of the issues that the family court considers when deciding who gets custody of Suri. It’s an interesting piece, and I think Katie will be really lucky if she gets to divorce Tom in New York City, where the court system won’t be so easily influenced by CoS and Hollywood power. Radar also has a great story which makes it sound like Katie’s parents have been “gathering information” on “the iron grip” CoS has on Tom Cruise’s personal and professional life. Katie’s such a smart girl, isn’t she?
UPDATE: Oooooh. People Mag has put all of this on a “special report” cover – go here to see. Katie’s dad sounds AWESOME.
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet and WENN.
I don’t blame her. He’s a nut involved with a crazy cult. This divorce and revelations about Scientology will be a career killer for him. Honestly, he deserves it. The fact that he’s so hardcore for a group that everyone else knows is a sham is reason enough.
I believe john travolta helped katie escape so we didn’t have to hear any more about his massages…eww
Lol non of the celeb COS members commented on Travolta story lets see if they silent on this one Kirstie Leah
Hello, this is what happens when you promise your first-born to Rumplestiltskin.
omg – youre killing ME!
THIS is exactly what happened.
Hysterical! I remember never liking that story – he was a nasty little pr*ck, right?
Correct – he was a tiny tyrant much like widdle mister cwuise.
Now THAT’S funny!!!
“Today I brew, tomorrow I bake, and soon the Queen’s child, I will take. For no one knows my little game….”
I always hated Rumplestiltskin – until Robert Carlyle played him. Now I hate him most of the time but not all of the time. damn you Robert Carlyle
He scared me as a child but he is one of my fave characters on Once Upon a Time.
<3 Robert Carlyle. Such a good actor.
TC scared me as a child and still does.
OMG! hahaha! Made me spit my coffee out! Rumplestiltskin! Brilliant! Lol!
Hours and hours and hours later, gg, this is still funny!
Omg.
I will state this again… I am so proud of her! You go girl!! You have lots of people behind you supporting your decision….
Ditto. Also proud of her. That took an enormous amount of foresight and courage.
I really didn’t think she had it in her! She turned out to be a lot more shrewd and smart than I (and a lot of people probably) had given her credit for.
If she were so smart and shrewd, she wouldn’t be in this position.
I think this has grown her an iron spine. She knows what she’s in for and she’s ready.
I wonder if strangers are now coming up to her and and squeezing her arm saying “I support you hon, go for it.” I would.
I agree. For years people were judging her parenting skills, style, intelligence, etc. and it seemed that the press was having a field day with Katie. I’m glad that this puts things into perspective and enables people to see that she was probably doing the best she could, given the circumstances.
Side note, I really hope Katie (NOT KATE), reams Shorty McCrazy and comes out on top and happy in the end!
@moptop – she was a stupid probably desperate (pregnant and dumped) young woman who grew into a great mom and that involved growing a spine.
I’m not a mom but I’m told things become very different once that happens.
@gg I would at least give her a thumbs up if I saw her. I hope I don’t see her anytime soon as I’m in LA – HQ of failed Hollywood wannabe L Ron Hubbard.
Speaking as a woman who was trapped in a first marriage that bears a striking resemblance to Katie’s (minus the CO$ BS), I can tell you that NONE of her upcoming battles will be easy. If I had not had a father and stepmother who were fighting and strategizing for me behind the scenes, it is highly unlikely I would have been able to extricate myself from my marriage on my own.
This girl has immense courage, and sounds like a really fierce mother. I feel that she, as I was, was young, starry eyed and willing to overlook some obvious red flags due to being head over heels in stupid, gooey, “forever” love. Her dad DOES sound awesome, as Kaiser commented. Never underestimate the power of a pissed off father defending his “baby”.
Her concern for Suri’s future is not to be taken lightly. Tommygirl’s legal team can bring it, but I highly doubt that his $$ and power will be able to sway a court once all the CO$/ Sea Org info comes to light. I am rooting for Katie and Suri. Tom has shown himself to be a crazy, hot mess of a train wreck time and time again. I honestly think he’s played OUT. Fingers crossed.
Tom isnt the most articulate guy. He wont do well when cornered up on a witness stand in court. I predict this will be settled and settled quietly. CO$ wants Tom’s fortune more than it wants to fight his battles for him (and expose their lunacy under bad florescent courtroom lights and endless media hysteria). He will be swayed to give in to Katie’s demands. Get the dust to settle asap. I really do think he cares more about the church than anything – even his career. He’s an odd duck. Behold the infamous 9 minutes of idiocy – not one complete thought or coherent sentence outta him : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O2_rZIgrQI
I wonder if she hasn’t been planning this for awhile, with her dad’s help. Hasn’t she been living in New York for awhile doing Broadway? She may have been quietly establishing residency on her dad’s advice. If she’s got that, it may be harder to move the case to California.
And as far as the couch jumping on Oprah, I think he really loved her, which is why he’s in such shock now. That doesn’t mean I feel badly for him, but he really never saw this coming.
me too!!!
I feel like putting my jr high cheerleading outfit on and pom pom shaking!!! GO GIRL!!!!
i think this might even bolster katie’s career and take her from girl next door boring to something else.
she’ll get SO much respect from people as the lil mouse who stood up to a cray cray Lion
A few years ago Tom filed for divorce from Nicole. Published reports stated “Nicole was BLINDSIDED, she did not know Tom was filing for divorce” fast forward to now. BLOOP!!
What goes around comes around!
I don’t want to sound cruel, but wasn’t it shortly after she had a miscariage? He needed a bio kid and SHE failed, so “bye, bye”. This may not be the case of course, but the cryptic “you know what you did” reason was always a bit odd.
No, he’s referring to her rumored fling with Ewan McGregor when they did that awful singing movie. I’d have a hard time turning that down too, especially when the alternative is tiny mister control freak. She probably just wanted to sniff some real testosterone for a change. (yummy!)
TC did leave NK after a miscarriage. I always thought it was weird that it was implied NK cheated on TC because he was infertile, yet he was able to get Katie pregnant.
Tiny Tom already had his jump-off ready- Penelope Cruz. People seem to forget that those two were together.
LMAO @ ‘Bloop’! 😀
Or maybe it’s all a big con, so that Tom will finally leave the church, u know he did it because he didn’t want to lose his child
Err..no!! He would rather loose his child than CoS! His ego lives in that crazy world whereas here in the normal world people don’t give a fiddlers hoot and can, and will, happily ignore him!
Team Katie & Suri!!
Gosh she’s very pretty when she scrubs up.
Plus, I second that. After Rupert’s tweets today, mark my words, this is gonna be the biggest news story all year.
I think that the Co$ is gonna come tumbling down.
She is very pretty when she puts herself together. But what the hell is she wearing in that first pic? She has zero fashion sense when she’s casual. Is that a slip?
With all this divorce crap going on, she completely forgot to put on her skirt!! 🙂
Whilst Murcoch’s tweets are bit pot & kettle, I do agree with him! With a bit of luck he’s tapped all their phones lol 😉
Here is my last post in the RM post. Something I think is very valid. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Here it was…and I could add another twenty thing of the list I named.
@Chris, one last, important thing.
RM might be evil Mr. Burns, but he did not and is not the SOLE AND DIRECT cause of climate change, nor the deaths in the war. That blame goes to many.
However, David Miscavige and Scientology are SOLEY AND DIRECTLY the ONLY cause for torture, pedophilia back in the old days, bribery, extortion, coercion, blackmail, fraud, harassment, kidnapping, murder, assault, disconnection-shall I go on?
Obviously you can see your POV is really off the mark. You can’t hold the two in the same light and this is happening all over America and where ever else the loonies can work their brand of cult crazy.
I know! It’s only been a few days and already it’s the biggest story of the year. I don’t know what could possibly be bigger than this.
I’m actually really mad at Rupert Murdoch for making me be on his side lol. I do think that if there is anybody in the media with the money and resources to take on Co$, it’s him. I really hope he goes for them.
This is going to be absolutely fascinating to watch.
It would be wonderful if this con of a cult was finally exposed for what it is and it indeed comes tumbling down. And people can go back to their families in peace without fear. Fingers crossed. I am also watching with keen interest. I’ve said it before..would LOVE Tom to publicly renounce Co$ and leave it.
Rupert Murdoch and his wife, Wendy are good friends of Nicole’s, so I would imagine he knows a lot of the dirt that Nicole keeps quiet about.
I recall reading awhile back that he had helped Nicole some time back by suppressing a big story about Nicole that was going to break in one of the UK tabloids. I’ve always wondered what the story was.
I have a few ideas.
@ Snowpea: From your mouth to God’s ear.
Please, please, pleeeeeeeeeease let this be the start of the end of The Cult. PLEASE.
I hope Anonymous is planning some parties now.
Question – who, or what is Anonymous? A confidential tipster?
Amelia: Anonymous is a collective (not an organisation!) of people who self-organised activism against Co$.
With collective I mean that if you were to take action against the Co$ without attaching your name or face to your activity, you would magically be part of Anonymous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Chanology
So, Anne I guess that is my next step? Me being a big, bad SP and all. Haha!
I fear for what their lives will be like, multiple marriages, Forced abortions, divorces, no knowledge of the real word. Going to be a lot of coping going on when it falls.
I’m still afraid that they will call in their bribes and this will go toms way and they will try to bring her back in because of Suri. The icks all around.
I see it as “EVEN Rupert can see CO$ is nuts”. I see it as it takes one to know one vs. pot and kettle. In something like this Rupert’s opinion carries some weight with me. Normally, it carries none.
Team Katie!
100%. You go girl!
Make no mistake, I am Team Katie all the way (actually I’m Team Suri, but Katie is all about Suri…) However I have to say this: Katie may have been young and naive–but her dad saved her ass. He was smart enough to know he couldn’t stop his daughter from marrying the crazy Tom Cruise but he could protect her financially. We’ll never really know what happened here, as TC bought her soul for a period of time, but her silence for all eternity with the money. My only beef against Katie–she helped Tom alienate Nicole from her kids. Now that Katie is on the other end, I hope she has the grace to apologize to Nicole for her part in that.
Yep. The one deserving of the high fives is Martin Holmes. He outsmarted all of the CoS high powered attorneys.
Katie really should apologize to Nicole for her part in the alienating Isabella & Connor. Granted the majority of blame lies with that church & Cruise, but Katie made thoseinsensitive quotes about them calling her mom.
Really?? What did she say? I missed all that.
Thank you for posting this! In my heart, I KNEW Katie’s father would rescue her and Suri! KNEW KNEW KNEW it! Father of the Year!
I seriously doubt Katie had any hand in the raising of Tom’s children. Tom’s sister raised them. Katie had probably zero power in this relationship.
I seriously doubt Katie had any hand in the raising of Tom’s children or an authority over who they were allowed to see. Tom’s sister raised them. Katie had probably zero power in this relationship.
Yup!!!
Agree. The new wife/ex wife situations is never comfortable. I think that at the beginning Katie was doing what Tom wanted but then she realized that one day she could become the next Nicole. It’s good to know that in the end she learned something from Nicole’s mistakes.
Agreed.
Touche!! Tom probably regrets letting her see them so often.
He could not tolerate seeing his grown daughter and grand-daughter suffering.
I hope that Katie and Nicole get to know each other now since they experienced the same things. But Katie is luckier and “smarter” or have smarter people (her father) around her to not get steam rolled. But I would love to hear their conversations now. That is some ex-wives club.
“That is some ex wives club.”
ROFL..wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall at that lunch. Oh the stories they could tell……
Do you mean letting Nicole see her kids? He didn’t. That’s the problem. She was cut off from Isabella and Connor except for a few visits in the past ten years or so. Now that is criminal.
http://celebritybabies.people.com/2007/12/19/katie-holmes-in-2/
Here’s where she was quoted as saying Connor and Isabell call her “mom”
Not cool.
I do not think she is malicious and I don’t think she planned to say that for any reason other than inexperience with a divorcee. Somebody in their mid-twenties, coming into an established family like Cruise’s would not necessarily understand the implications. She’s not a mean person and she’s effectively demonstrated that all these years.
Nothing left to say except I wish a bird had crapped on him in that picture instead of water drops.
LMAO
Is that why he’s looking up? I thought he was just trying to look at the person next to him in the eye.
while i believe all these stories, why are his other 2 kids not part of sea org then? why just send the one?
also, i think katie’s father is the smart one in all this. she is very lucky to have him.
I’ll hazard a guess. In the twisted mind of Tom C, sending his one biological child makes sense. The child of his loins, the one who will one day (to him) rule Xenu….the other two were merely adopted props.
In Tom Cruise’s world that is.
This is all starting to resemble “Rosemary’s Baby”, with all the Who is the real father questions and the “plans” they had for Suri. Creepier and creepier by the day.
Just based on what we the public see, nothing about Tom’s other kids lives has been comparable to Suri’s. You couldn’t have picked his older kids out of a line-up when they were little, but Suri is practically an icon at age 5. I think Tom sees her as some sort of “special project.”
Absolutely, he had a “special plan” for Suri’s upbringing.
Can you imagine what kind of a monster they would have turned her into?! Do you think that to prepare her to rule the Co$ they would have left her clueless or given her full disclosure? And at which point, after how many years?
*shudders*
Possibly, Isabella & Connor didn’t have to go to Sea Org as they were already committed Scientologists and Tom had control over them and their upbringing within the CO$. If Katie was increasingly sceptical/resistant and was considered an SP then maybe Tom was considering sending Suri there to compound the brainwashing and ensure her entrenchment in the whole crazy nut-job world of CO$ without Katie’s anti-influence. Just a theory…
Tom wasn’t as big in the CoS at that time. He got into it when he married Mimi Rogers, and then withdrew from the CoS when they divorced/he first got together with Nicole. My understanding of the situation is that for about a decade he was a casual member, and then somewhere near the end of his marriage to Nicole, he reached a high thetan level and became the more powerful member. So when his two older kids were young, he wasn’t a huge CoS member.
But also, I do think there is something “special” about Suri in his mind.
The Cult promised him he would be able to float in the air and change matter when he reached Level VII. Hmm, don’t see him flying around anywhere, do we? I guess they raise it when the few people with enough money to throw away reach that level. Scramble and fabricate another level, quick!
I agree with everyone – Tom Cruise is thought to be so high up in the organisation, that he’s kind of second-in-command to Miscavige. (I don’t think this sits too well with ‘the regular’ scientologists.) Suri is thought of as a kind of ‘chosen one’, at least in Cruise’s mind. So I could see her being sent to that ship, but as a favored child, living in luxury, but subjected to the intense schooling. She’d probably never see what life is really like for the minions.
I thought that list of questions yesterday was horrific and a form of abuse. But this, taking a child from her mother – I have no words.
what list? what list of questions?-?
SeaOrg isn’t actually a ship anymore, I think its a compound somewhere out in the desert now
Here is their shady propaganda on the Sea Org ship, Freewinds.
http://www.freewinds.org/
But don’t read it for too long lest you turn into a zombie.
Stinky,
Here’s the link to the Village Voice article. Once CO$ children reach the age of six, they are ‘interviewed’ for a better word and asked a long, long list of questions.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/06/katie_holmes_scientology_sec_checking_suri_tom_cruise.php
Tony Ortega has been writing about the evils of CO$ for years and the articles are fascinating.
w-o-w, that list gives me the heebs. little kid & all those creepy questions??surely thats stuff isnt being suggested to tiny tots… maybe teens? regardless, its gross.
thanx for posting the link. im on info-overload, and must have missed the reference to it.
You forget to mention that they would be asked these questions while attached to a crude sort of lie detector…
@stinky
Yes, in fact, that list is asked of 6-year olds. Scientology claims that children are really adults in little bodies, and it demands the same things it does of children as it does of adults: everything.
The best wife Tom had was Nicole. Still not sure what Katie was-is. Tom thought he could manipulate Katie because she idolized him- it was bloody weird. KH`s father is a lawyer–this feels like a business deal gone bad. I believe Nicole truly loved Tom..but Katie seems very calculating and phoney to me. Cha-ching. I do not feel sorry for Katie at all..this is the biggest paycheck KH will ever receive.
Luckily the only movie I saw with Tom Cruise was The Firm and that was on DVD. I definitely won`t be going to see any of his Hollywood flops anytime soon. He is demented and hope Suri gets far far away.
She has shocked us all. Well-played.
I’m predicting a fair few feathers will fly throughout the next few months. What with Murdoch throwing in his 2 cents, I reckon we’ll be watching some serious sh*t unfold, there’s simply got to be more to this.
One thing’s for sure, this is going to be one of the dirtiest custordy battles we’ll have seen in a long time.
So long as TC is in that cult and wants to send Suri to whatever the sea org is, what sane judge would not grant Katie full custordy?
I’m not a legal pro, but can they not use testimonies from ex-Scientology members? Or would that be hearsay?
It seems like Katie’s really laying groundwork for this. Good on her, she’s got a great team behind her apparently, I can’t remember who her laywer is but he did the Christie Brinkley divorce I think.
And her Dad’s
certainly going to be a force to be reckoned with.
I bet Murdock knows a lot more about what happened with Nicole. Here’s hoping Murdoch is up to the challenge of dropping major leaks in the case. I remember Nicole said something about the adoption of Bella and that one day that story would be told. Let’ here it Murdoch. Just make sure the source can’t be traced back to you. LOL
I honestly believe Nicole may be helping Katie behind the scenes why else would her very close family friend Mr. Murdoch be so vocal against Scientology??? It may be possible that Katie and Nicole have had contact about the kids. Nicole has shown in the past that she’s not threatened by Tom’s ‘girlfriends’ ( see the Vanity Fair shoot she did with Penelope Cruz )… If NK is involved this is going to be THE BIGGEST gossip story of our era far more epic and intricate then the Bermuda Triangle.
Yeah, and don’t forget, Nicole was completely blindsided by Cruise. She thought everything was fine in her marriage; there were no warning signs. She never had a chance to gather information about Tom and CO$ to use in the divorce.
Katie, on the other hand, could see what was coming and had time to prepare. She pulled the wool over Cruise’s eyes.
Rupert Murdoch being such a good friend of Nicole’s, probably regrets that he could not help her. Maybe that’s why he’s coming out with these statements now? Of course, it’s more likely that he’s trying to re-hab his image, but Katie should take all the support she can get.
So proud! GO KATIE GO!!!
She’s lucky she has the father she does–he seems to be giving her some very wise advice.
He’d have to be a pretty $hitty family law attorney if he couldn’t give his own daughter good advice.
Why weren’t Bella and Connor in Sea Org? Why isn’t Stella Travolta in Sea Org? This story I don’t buy. I think celeb kids are exempt from the Sea Org slave labor camp, unlike the lowly members’ kids.
Why do people think Bella and Conner are not full fledged Co$ quacks? I think they are deep in the doo.
You’re right, they are deep into Scientology. The article was about Sea Org. They have never been in Sea Org and I highly doubt Tom would let his little princess go be pimped out for free slave labor all day and night. The celebs don’t seem to be treated the same way the average Scientologist is treated.
How do we know they weren’t in SeaOrg? They were never in the media like poor little Suri has been. We don’t really know anything about them at all, except that they apparently have nothing to do with Nicole and the boy sounds like a homophobe.
Katie and her dad are awesome! Hope they take down CoS and Tommy!
*She looks great in the top pic…must have been taken after she decided to leave Tom!*
I can’t give Katie too much credit because she brought Suri in to this insanity in the 1st place. I do give her credit for taking steps to remove Suri from the Sea Org’s grip. But…I thought Sea Org was only for the minion kids, not the celebrity brood.
exactly. i don’t think celebrity kids go to sea org where their human rights violations are well known.
but, it is good for katie to leak this…gets public opinion on her side and could influence the courts if they think the child could be sent there.
I agree. I mean, if she did sign a contract, then she went into this way more clear-eyed than she let on, and does deserve a bit of blame for bringing a child into an unhealthy environment in order to get money/fame.
And if there was no contract, how did she NOT sense the utter weirdness of it all? Before they got together, there were rumors about a list of starlets to be auditioned for the role of the next Mrs. Cruise. Does anyone else remember this? I think ScarJo was #1 on the list and was in talks to be in MI3 at the time, but Tom and his Sci pals freaked her out and she got out of there quick. I’ve never thought of Scarlet Johansson as a beacon of intelligence, but from the rumors, it seemed to take her no time at all to realize Tom & Co. were sketch and book it. How did Katie not see this? How did she not go, “Hold on! Wait a minute!” when he made his minions be with her every second? When he brought up changing her religion? I’m pretty neutral when it comes to religion, but if a person grows up in a certain religion and observes said religion, how do they change religions for a guy they’ve known for a few months? So if she really was this clueless, then I do hope her parents are handling 100% of all of this. Because, damn.
weirdness and evil are two different things. I’m not into religion and philosophy so I don’t read any of these stories on Scientology but from the comments I see here – child labor, etc and what I heard after Jett Travolta died, it seems more than weird. However, I heard this all AFTER Katie went in.
For me “weird” is the planet Kolob (with apologies to any Mormon readers) child labor is more than weird or different. I bet Katie thought it was just weird when she signed on.
i remember hearing about co$ in the 90s although not as specific in details as all the stuff we have these days.
TC [or his publicist] was very touchy about discussing co$. And yet his touchiness about it seeped into public domain. The Kidman divorce really opened up windows in to it. Even so, only to shed light on wackiness rather than the sinister aspects. I think the last 10-12 years have brought so much more information in to the public domian. i can’t think how Katie didn’t know especially working in Hollywood where there are really no secrets, only good/bad publicists.
I really, really do not believe this was a ‘contract marriage’ or Katie was TC’s beard. She was head over heels for him. Naive, sure, but I think she was swept off her feet. As others have posted the last few days, I think her eyes were blinded by all the lurrrve from TC and his people. As the honeymoon period ended she started to see things differently and the reality of having Suri brought up in this mess was too much. Totally believe that reality started smacking her in the face every day Suri got closer to the magic auditing age. Whatever the case, yaaaay!! LOL, everyone remember the “Free Katie” campaigns way back when? Well now Katie has freed herself and hopefully with the help of her parents and some non-Xenu friends, she and Suri will be out of this mess. Go Katie!
LOL! Maybe somebody could start a Facebook page in support of Katie’s sole custody of Suri! Will public opinion count? Strength in numbers and all that? 😉
You might not believe in the contract, but back in April or May, BlindGossip announced that they were officially announcing the divorce once promotion for Rock of Ages finished, as the contract was up. It’s a hell of a coincidence otherwise.
Oh, I don’t doubt for a minute that there is a pre-nup that KH gets X $s per year of marriage and things like that. Beyond that I’m not really buying it mostly because I think TC would have filed for the divorce. I don’t think he would have let Katie beat him to the punch, so to speak, if it were a simple matter of her five year contract being up. Admittedly, I may be wrong, but I think as far as this goes no one in the public will ever know the real truth of the matter. Either way, I am glad she is getting out.
That’s actually the best argument against the contract theory I’ve heard. I still totally believe that there was a contract, but you’re right, it’s weird that said contract would allow Katie to be the one to initiate divorce *and* allow her to publicly trash Scientology. Something odd is going on here.
@Jackson – given the hit another divorce is going to be on his career, and bear in mind that this is a man who has planned his life of movie stardom like a computer right from the beginning, it’s totally possible for him to have let her file rather than him because he can play at being ‘blindsided’. it get’s him a smidgen of public sympathy.
A divorce instigated by him would kill his career completely. Especially with all the wierd co$ stuff…there would be no redemption in the public’s eyes.
The narrative is already that Kate is leaving because of co$ NOT TC’s overbearing character which was always there even before co$. His pre-co$ fellow actors eg Rob Lowe have spoken about it.
I agree. Katie positively adored him, as did Nicole. I believe he adored them as long as they looked up to him and didn’t start becoming too independent. His career takes precedence over theirs. Controlling he is. Nicole obviously wasn’t a contract. The woman practically committed suicide after he dumped her. She was a brokenhearted as anyone could be and was for years. Hardly a contract. Nicole is too passionate to live in a loveless marriage for a contract.
Actually, I read Katie’s pre-nup is for 11 years at three million a year alimony. After that, if they split, she would be eligible for a good portion of his earnings. People call it a contract. It’s a pre-nup, people. Standard with all wealthy people marrying again. My friend had a pre-nup and hung on for dear life that last year, because it bumped her up significantly in a financial settlement. She hated the SOB that last year, but she tried to hide it well and came out on top because of it.
Haha @ OTiff. It’s hard to believe that anyone with ANY intelligence whatsoever could get sucked in to utter HORSE CRAP like Scientology. Tom Cruise is many things, but not stupid.
I’m SO grateful Katie has finally run with Suri. Can you imagine being asked to simply give away your precious 6 yr. old child?!
I think we’re going tp see Scientology unravel pretty quickly. There are just too many disgruntled members who’ve been staked and harassed. And seriously…can you imagine being on the stand, trying to explain your jacked up, batshit crazy religion?! “Well, see, Xenu was the evil alien, and the Thetans came down from…”. Hell, I don’t even know what I’m talking about, that cult’s so cray-cray. They will NOT represent well in court.
Good luck, Katie!! We’ll be rooting for you and Suri!!
If she thought she was being followed, couldn’t she just have called the police? Is Co$ above the law? If it were me, I would have called the police EVERY time I stepped out of my house so there would be a record of them stalking me.
Also, notice the very carefully worded “denial” from the Co$ attorney: “not following Katie or conducting surveillance on her in the WAKE OF her divorce with Tom Cruise.”
All this means is that they have been following her BEFORE the divorce paperwork was filed. Otherwise he would have said “Co$ is not following her.” full-stop!
I would seriously not be surprised if she disappears…I hope she has a really good new security team. I’m kind of scared for her and Suri!
Also…in the pic of Tom in the blue suit, that’s clearly a facelift scar under his ear, right? So he doesn’t eat Xenu alien babies after all, he’s just had a facelift…
Yeah, and Tom always appears ‘fresh-faced’ after a holiday in Brazil.
(That’s where his plastic surgeons clinic allegedly is.)
Read up. The Cult is a terrorist organization and this is not an exaggeration.
It only exists because it HAS been above the law all along. The police have Co$ plants within the PD. The IRS has plants there. They spy on everybody they please. Calling in a police report means absolutely nothing. And the cops couldn’t care less if somebody was just looking at you sideways and walking behind you. That’s not against the law. Go to Project Clambake and educate yourself if you want the facts.
The Co$ hardly has any compunction for lying. Good grief, they’ve been doing that for decades. Their org is based on lies.
I wikipedia’d Scientology and Xenu this morning from the train. That sht is WEIRD. I’m sorry, I can’t respect a ‘religion’ that looks like it came out of a 1960s scifi movie. How are so many people part of this cult? It’s insane.
Me too! I didn’t finish it all, it gave me a headache. I’m Team Xenu now. He’s their enemy, right?
Hahahahaha! Yes Team Xenu.. Hes the enemy .. Most people think he’s the leader
He wanted the kid, I am a daddy status.. not to raise it.. learn from this..
Yes , she is a smart girl.Leaking all this information so that she can get sympathy.I have no sympathy for this woman.Destroying the father of her children by using her child.nobody forced her to marry Tom Cruise and joined Scientology to advanced her career and now that it didn’t happened because she has no talent, the next move is to divorced Tom and leak information to get sympathy to advanced her career.many people start to get annoyed with this woman as day passes instead of getting that sympathy except for this site of course.Nicole Kidman she’s not.I have no idea who she is before she married Tom Cruise.I feel so sorry for Suri for having this ambitious of a mother.As a woman i thought my sympathy will go with her but i can see that she has an agenda so i’d rather go for Tom.Hope this will be posted since this site is anti Tom, Tom cruise is Tom cruise.He has been through worst but still manage to comeback.
all your other pro tom rants have been posted, so why would you think this one wouldn’t be.
we get it….tom good, katie bad.
You’re entitled to your opinion and yes, this site is undeniably “Team Katie’, but with good reason. Firstly, I doubt Katie is going to destroy Tom and she obviously has her reasons for applying for sole custody. I would suggest that this is not motivated purely out of maliciousness. No, nobody forced her to marry him, but she was completely swept off her feet during the lovebombing/courtship phase and I doubt that even she could have seen at that point the level to which CO$ would affect her life. Plus, I do believe she genuinely loved Tom in the beginning. Career advancement may well have been a major factor in her decision to marry him, and lord knows she’s no Meryl Streep, but part of that failure lies with the way that public opinion has shifted for Tom Cruise. Audiences are abandoning him in droves and he’s not the guaranteed mega bucks success he once was. With all the money & connections Tom has Katie has to box clever – right now I think her ‘agenda’ is to get herself and Suri the hell out of there ASAP.
@Domonique: Don’t even respond, you’re wasting your time with these people. Let me hip ya’ll to something: Every single time some bad press comes out, the Co$ makes their whiney minions get online to post pro Tom comments to celeb news stories. They use terms like: “well, I never liked Tom or the Co$, but …”, and they think everybody will be thrown offtrack. They are helpless. But they keep trying to get people in dialogue. Don’t get sucked in. Need evidence? Have Google News send you anything with the key word: “Scientology”. I’ve had this for years and it’s hilarious the elementary school tactics they use.
So basically in a nutshell, you’re a Scientologist. Alrighty then. Thanks for dropping by, but can you tell the other Sci shills not to bother?
^^ this
Oh for gods sake, casey, use the freakin’ SPACE BAR.
And like, what on earth are you raving on about? Katie really doesn’t strike me as a gold digger. I think she genuinely fell head over heels in love with this guy. The rest came later.
Plus she was YOUNG! I did stuff ten years ago that I just shake my head over now. Give the girl a break.
And one more thing? I just KNOW you’re a Scientologist, hunched over your computer somewhere, doing the grunt work as instructed by your master.
excuse me.i am not a scientologist.just because i have no sympathy for katie doesn’t mean i am a scientologist.i even have no idea what that religion is and i don’t want to know.also, i am a fan of other hollywood couple and have no intention of commenting on this issue.but i have noticed that people are being unfair to tom cruise , i kinda feel sorry for him.you are judging him already.i never thought i would defend this man.because of what katie is doing, Tom is getting the sympathy here.he is being quiet in this thing while katie leak information everywhere to destroy tom.i always go for the underdog.i am out of here.once you are against katie, you are a scientologist.
Please… So aren’t scientologists allowed here? Where s that rule? Disagree with a poster if you must. But dont brand them into something which they may or may not be. So can I conclude catholic church is ordering all of you onto this site? Be rational.
I come to celebitchy because i can read different theories so pls dont drive away posters by ganging on them and branding them as something.
I m not casey and i m not a scientologist.
Actually Katie was in several highly acclaimed movies including The Ice Storm, Pieces of April, and Batman Begins. It’s widely believed she turned down The Dark Knight under Tom’s orders because Christopher Nolan refused to allow him on-set. Far from helping her career he in many ways destroyed it.
@Diana – May i suggest to you and your sciloonies that if you want to defend SciThetans don’t run to the evil catholic church defense. It’s a dead give away.
@Casey & @Diana: Stop insulting the considerable intelligence of the people who regularly visit this site. Thanks in advance.
She was well known before this marriage and in the public eye.
That you don’t know who she is means nothing. Tom Cruise obviously knew who she was. He only marries or dates actresses. A much smarter move of his after Nicole would have been to not go with someone from the business.
Katie Holmes was a very random choice.
I guess they don’t teach you about the space bar and verb tenses in Scientology school…
No offense Casey, but I have family members who are scientologists and I believe Katie is just protecting her daughter. Scientology is scary and all about mind control/slavery & money. They stalked a very close family member of mine while he was living with us just because he hadn’t contacted them or participated in just a couple of months. It was crazy & creepy and I know I would get the hell out of there with Suri if I was Katie. You really do not understand the lengths these people will go to and the depths of their craziness Casey
Quit trolling. There’s absolutely no point in defending either Co$ or Tom Cruise on this blog as most commenters are actually intelligent, well-read people with opinions developed by reading and researching topics like this.
Tom, I know you’re having a bad day, but there’s no point in getting grumpy with people. Go get yourself a box of wine, draw up a bubble bath, and have a “You” moment.
I thought Tom had a better command of the language. Must be Muskvige or however you spell that.
Haha, actually could be Tom. Remember, he said he was severely dyslexic, but claims CO$ “cured” him “instantly”. Maybe the “cure” is hit and miss…
You’re right. He probably hit his computer when he was throwing his lifts in rage and broke the space bar.
@casey – Bahahahah! Is THAT the best you can do?? Sorry but the people that frequent this site? Not only way smarter than you goons, but we’re on to your whole M.O., including the weak attempts to pro Rumplestiltskin and slam Katie. Sorry, but em, NO.
You’re wasting your time trying to recruit more wax dummies for your criminal Cult, pallie. Go back and audit some more. It’ll only cost you $3,000 an hour …
Tom is getting the sympathy? in what parallel universe?
sweetie, that man is part of a cult, a very dangerous and evil cult. go and check … let´s see if after you inform yourself about what he is into you take his side.
“won’t be so easily influenced by CoS and Hollywood power”
I skimmed the article looking for a discussion of this – forgive me if I missed it. As a lifelong resident of CA and alum of the CA divorce/custody court system, I’m not so sure it’s true that Co$ and Hollywood have any influence over it. (My parents weren’t famous or Co$, but religion didn’t factor into the proceedings one tiny little bit). Whatever insanity Hollywood brings into the news, most of CA is a fairly reasonable, secular, and progressive population. I swear.
Hasn’t the cases of countless celebs (ahem Lindsay, Paris, Mel and Halle B custody battles yada yada) proven that in LA there are two sets of rules. Those for the normals and those for the uber rich, über famous elite who play the system like a fiddle and get special treatment.
In CA criminal court, there is definitely two sets of rules. I guess I was still hoping that’s not the case where child welfare is concerned.
CO$ has a lot of power in LA. It bought out half the land in Hollywood.
I grew up in LA (Los Feliz, right next-door to Hollywood). They’ve been trying to convert me all my life. They creeped me out for years but they have always been there in large numbers.
On to the next thread. I am enjoying this so much. I’m hoping they go down and yes, I would love it if Tom escaped but I can’t see that happening.
I don’t buy the whole “Katie was innocent and naive” thing-even I knew about Tom’s Scientology shenanigans, etc. Hollywood is a community where everyone knows everything about eachother, and Katie had been acting for years at that point. I’m surprised that she hasn’t been completely brainwashed at this point-or her daughter! Even at the young age. I am still glad about this, though, and really, really hope she gets custody. Scientology used to make me chuckle, like “oh, those little weirdos,” but now they actually kinda scare me.
I inadvertently went out on 1 date (online dating site) with a Scientologist. The guy was a nutjob. Told me he’d spent $15,000 on Sci in the last 10 years (but lamented that he didn’t go to college because he didn’t have the $.) I looked at him and said, “Uh, $15k? That’s enough for 2 years at a state school!” What a dope.
Anyway, when I found out he was a Sci, I didn’t end the date. I decided to take the opportunity to “interview” a real live Sci. Man, was he ever nuts. Going on and on about “tools” and using all these acronyms. (Sci’s have endless acronyms.) I kept slowing him down and asking him to explain stuff. He really spoke as though it was, or should be, a universal knowledge.
Anyway, he was in the Sea Org at one point, and what they say about the crazy work conditions and slave labor is absolutely true. He worked scrubbing floors and washing dishes from 7am to 7pm, and then he had to tend to his Sci studies for the rest of the night.. He was also married to a fellow Org-er, and he told me that during his 2 months on the ship, he only got to have sex with her twice. I said, “Doesn’t that strike you as…odd?” And he said, “No…I was very busy working to get to the next level. And she was too. We were kept apart.” He didn’t see anything wrong with this. His whole attitude seemed to be, “I’m a good Sci, so I don’t question anything.”
Needless to say, I didn’t go out with him again. Lol
Wow, that’s really interesting.
And creepy.
Well, now you can say you’ve experienced the cray-cray for yourself!
Crayon crayfish? Or are we just stuck on the babytalk …
It’s what the kids these days are saying instead of “crazy,” gramma! Can you just meet me at the end of the street? It’s embarrassing when you pick me up in front of the school. :/
So that Sea Org thing people keep mentioning is an actual ship? Where does it sail? Circles around the Americas or from continent to continent? Or is it on a lake or something?
Seriously, if someone had written a story like this everybody would have slammed it for not being realistic enough. How wacked out that it’s real.
If I recall correctly, it sails off the coast of Florida. But I’m not positive about that, and it could probably be googled. I was mainly intent on finding out about Sci from an actual Scientology member in good standing.
There’s a land-based Sea Org location in California, Hemet I believe in the San Jacinto Valley. Co$ has a huge, well guarded compound there with lots of living quarters and business/manufacturing buildings. At one point in the eighties and nineties their video/audio tape facility was there where they would pump out all the promotional rants from Miscavage and LRH. Scary place….
There is a cruise ship. It mostly stays at some port somewhere south of the States now, since it’s been revealed that it’s chock full of asbestos toxins. Last I checked, nobody in the US will allow the SS Nutbag to dock at their port because of the toxins. Yet they keep many many employees living on that boat and have no problem with poisoning their followers.
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That is interesting, thanks for sharing. The way you describe him reminds me of a couple people I have known who have found religion or a self-help program. Once you’re in you can’t imagine that everyone else doesn’t get it.
I’m no Tom fan or Sci-loonie but I can sort of see how people get lured in. Hollywood is such a crazy place that if you are insecure or depressed it might seem like a helpful refuge. It’s sad, really. Not for the scammers and con arists who run it, but for all the people looking for a place to belong and getting fleeced out of their money..not to mention their sanity.
I just love Katie’s dad and mom. Never try to take away a daughter from such a tight knit family. They weren’t happy about it and always made that clear. Tom’s other two children are adopted so it could be because Suri is his blood she would have whatever he thinks he has to make him so special in the Church of Scientology. That is the only thing I can think of. But that Sea Org sounds awful and what judge would allow a child to be sent to what is a boot camp without the mother’s consent? I don’t blame Katie at all it sounds like Tom has big plans for Suri. I am all for team Katie I am glad that Tom is finally getting to feel what it is like to be blindsided by a divorce. The Church of Scientology will need to be careful too the whole world is watching Katie she really has been very smart.
katie , use your talent to be a superstar and not to use people please.If you think you will get sympathy for what you are doing.only posters from this site are giving you that.outside of the internet think you are fame hungry.you will always be a stralet.
“Stralet”? Casey, did they never teach you to read and write properly at the Sci schools?
Clearly you’re a Sci shill. Nice username, btw, Co$ey, oops I mean Casey. LOL
Stralet could be used as a new word = free from Tom. 😉
I’m joking, sorry, English is not my mother language and I’m trying to be creative.
btw Katie has many posters on other sites who are with her. I’m one of them, but I want to be honest, I’ve never found Tom Cruise nice, I’ve always received bad vibes from him from the beginning of his careers – I’m old enough… ugly truth! 🙂
Casey,
IF Katie Holmes were the grandest, most-scheming golddigger ever to be born, nobody would care at this point. She would still get support b/c she would be the lesser of two evils i.e. golddigger versus crazy-controlling cult member. Hmmm… who would be the better parent? The Golddigger, by a landslide!!!
BTW, I don’t believe Katie is a golddigger. Like most people IRL, I am proud and happy for her!
If you can’t be team Katie at least be team Suri….which means supporting Katie!
EXACTLY.
Whether she’s a “golddigger” or not (I seriously doubt it), it really doesn’t matter people. We’re talking about the Cult here. As in getting herself and her kid away from it.
She is a mother protecting her child. If anyone was used in this whole debacle it was Katie – she was identified by Co$ as a likely candidate for Tom, and the whole lovebomb thing was a carefully calculated ruse to reel her into Co$, have a “super-child” to boost its popularity, and bring the organization more visibility. Only it backfired didn’t it. CO$’s days are numbered.
@Casey – is it your personal opinion that Katie is a people pleaser or are you reading it from her audit file??
Tom, I really think another session to tackle that pesky dyslexia is in order.
LMAO!
this might sound old fashioned, but THIS is why you really need to know someone before you marry them and create a child who now has to suffer through a divorce. Values and beliefs should be similar so that child rearing will be seamless and balanced. On the other hand, I can totally see how she got swept up in the glamour and excitement of meeting and marrying a huge star that she had admired…that must have been SO intoxicating…a little naivety mixed in, a whirlwind romance, I can see how it happened…
+1
Yup, I think Katie was truly in love and naive. Just imagine your childhood moviestar comes to you and tells you he loves you and wants to marry you. I question Tom’s intentions though. I guess he really liked her.. but couldn’t hide his controlling ways very long. And Scientology is a whole other story. That multiplies the problems times 100.
Yup! I’ve read so much CO$ stuff over the last few days, that I can’t remember exactly where it was, but I believe that Shelly Miscavige was designated the task of finding Tom Cruise a wife and she spotted an article in which Katie mentioned her childhood crush on Tom Cruise. Looking back now, that was her undoing.
@tiffin I believe this is the article maybe referencing. Good article, and C0$ basically chose his wife. So, so creepy!
http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/best_supporting_actress_REdKcnpi4xPjBFGO4Yjp4M/0
@ tiffin, ha you beat me to it! I see you posted the same link below 🙂
I totally agree about getting to know someone before marrying him/her. But, I’ve also seen that having children really changes people. Hopefully, for the better, but not always. It changes one’s proprieties, outlooks, beliefs, etc. Someone may be fun, breezy and devil-may-care before-hand, but turn paranoid and controlling one a baby enters the picture.
I KNEW it. I have heard Kelly Preston also say that when she was a teen living in australia, she said she was goinog to marry John Travolta! I just said yesterday to my husband, that I bet they scout out articles and match up ‘contracts’ like this! B/C I had read Katie had mentioned this in an interview. Then, they have it as a talking point for their future-and everyone thinks ‘ooh, cinderella story come true’….
This whole cult-what a trip!
I agree to a point-but she did enter into an agreement with him, she did have to attend the COS center and take their intro classes. It’s not like Tom Cruise became a Scientologist after they were married-she must have had some inkling. And I have to believe that her family showed her lots of online info about how scary this cult is. I applaud her for getting out, and wish her well in keeping her daughter out of this freak show, but I do think there was more to the beginning than just her being “blindly in love”.
It amazes me to see posts like this… how does anyone manage to get sucked into a cult, since they obviously show you how nasty and crazy they are up front, right?
@Belle: Tom Cruise has made no secret of being a follower of Xenu. And spend 5 minutes online and you’ll see how batsh-t and evil this cult is. Katie Holmes was not right off the bus. She’d been in the industry for years, her family is clearly well to do and educated. There is NO way she wouldn’t have known what the COS was about. I think she wanted a certain kind of luxurious lifestyle-the private planes, the shopping-and was willing to go along with Cruise’s “religion” until somewhere along the way she realized she could lose her daughter to them.
+1 we have an interfaith household and we discussed this early on in our relationship, before we got married and had kids.
When you’re young its easy to believe the best about a person. I dated an older man, I was 20 he was early 30s and there were many warns signs. The relationship ended because he was controlling. However, I didn’t realize how controlling he was until on the relationship ended. Only when I reflected on the relationship did I realize he was faking a lot of behavior. Love can really blind you to obvious big flaws. Also, during the dating phase, people hide their true nature. If a man lovebombs you, (thanks CB, for the great word:)) it can completely blind you.
trish, I agree. I am SO fed up with all these people having babies after not knowing each other for more than six, and in this case, TWO MONTHS. Incredibly, compulsively, rottenly, STUPID.
Thank goodness she got out of Crazyville!!! Go Katie! I would run away with my child before I let them get onto a boat with a bunch of crazies!
I think Katie’s dad should get all the credits here I’m sure he is the one behind the whole exit strategy, and probably has been working on it for years, Katie should be credited for finally waking up from that comatose state she deliberatly put herself in.
What i find amazing is that TC allowed her clearly co$ hostile parents to remain within the circle.
I thought co$ removed any such influences pronto.
I think that speaks to how strong Katie’s parents are…but also to how important Tom is to the organization.
I’ll bet that once they realized they couldn’t cut the Holmes parents out without a major fuss, they had to maintain a semblance of normalcy, such as letting Katie and Suri have contact with her parents, or risk being exposed for the loonies that they really are.
I am rooting for her, and I seriously hope that the C0$ doesn’t try to hurt her (I wouldn’t put it past that organization), but she was foolish to get involved with him in the first place. His fanaticism was well known by the time they got together.
I’m an attorney (not licensed in CA or NY, but in two states nonetheless). My feeling is that she will be able to proceed with the divorce in NY. All a court needs to grant a divorce in a certain state is personal jurisdiction over the petitioner. For custody, there must be jurisdiction over the child. Generally, family courts are pretty lenient with this requirement. Thus, if Katie can establish that she and Suri have spent enough time in New York (I’m oversimplifying, so keep that in mind), the court can grant the divorce. Her dad is a divorce lawyer, so I PROMISE he has thought about this. I doubt she would have attempted filing in NY if she didn’t think they would have jurisdiction – it would be too easy for Tom to dismiss if it didn’t.
Thanks for mentioning this–I was actually very curious about how this part of things might play out, especially since Tom already has filed in California. I have been wondering what happens in the case of two competing divorce petitions like that.
Since this seems like this is going to be the biggest celeb divorce since… well Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston, I decided to “educate” myself on Scientology since all I really knew was stuff I read in tabloids.
I went on Wikipedia and eventually found a link to wwww.exscientologykids.com, a website run by three girls who managed to escape Scientology. One of the girls is David Miscavige’s own niece, who left the “church” in 2005. Her own parents were kicked out when she was very young and she had no contact with them once they left (I assume she does now but who knows). She is one of Scientology’s biggest critics–maybe she and Katie should meet up and talk?
Anyways the little I read on the website absolutely floored me, especially the section on the 0T3 materials, which is when Scientologists finally get to read the “secret documents” about Xenu. I didn’t really understand what/who Xenu was when the term was thrown about… but oh my god, I cannot believe people actually believe this stuff! And from what I’ve read of the head of COS, the guy sounds like a scary SOB!
Did anybody ever realize David Miscavige’s own WIFE has been missing for several years? Nobody seems to know where she disappeared to! I shudder to think what happened to her…
So seriously RUN Katie RUN!!!!
Like you, I have been googling and read that about his wife. How insane! It’s kinda starting to freak me out how scary these people are!
Can I just come out and admit that I am sort of embarassingly excited about this whole story? I am totally caught up in the Katie got her groove back and her dad is going to kick some scientology-ass! I’m loving this..I know, I know, divorces are sad but I can’t help it! I am more than Team Katie, I am Team-any-snippets-of-gossip-on-TomKat-I-can-get-my-hands-on!
Katie knows for certain of their plans, wean Suri away from Mom, then ditch mom.. Tom and Katie rarely have private time always tended to by his sister and other Scientology workers reporting constantly to each other and giving them advice..
Wrong thread
I think all this so called info Katie father has regarding to CoS is a bluff, that why their being so public about it because Katie PR team is feeding this info to the media. If they really had all this information on CoS they would be stupid to make it public and give CoS time to hide all their wrong doing. Let be real CoS was not going to let Katie or her non believer family any were near the info they have on their most public member Tom, CoS didn’t get we’re it was by being stupid. It’s more like Katie father is hoping that buy releasing these stories to the media Tom and CoS will get scared and not fight Katie on the custudy of Suri.
From the picture of Tom back in Iceland the day after Katie filed for divorce shows 1. He must have seen this coming and not blindsided like he claimed to be and 2. CoS is not in a panic more like their waiting to see what info Katie father has before they make their move.
Trust me I had two family member that fell into cults and these cult member are not trusting and are not going to let non believer near that type of info. And it takes years for then to trust you and even then they never fully trust you. My guess is that only one or two member know all the info they have on all the member and Tom not one of them nor do I think all of these top member wives are.
I absolutely trust what you are saying about cults. However, I don’t think Team Katie needs a bunch of secret COS info on the COS itself or on Cruise. I believe the details of her/Suri’s daily life would be enough to cause a judge concern about the atmosphere that Suri was being raised in. I don’t know if they can use other court case documents as proof of the COS tactics/end goals for alienating children from a non-scientologist parent but if they could maybe that alone would cause a judge to say, “not in the best interests of the child”. THoughts?
Am I the only one who feels katie made a mistake, expecting a lot from the relationship (A list status etc) and misguided Tom too while entering the marriage, contract or not. And now using scientology as an excuse to get back at him by alienating a daughter from a father?
I am no follower of scientology but I feel everyone is supporting katie only on the assumption that crazy tom is enforcing his scientological control, which as outsiders we will never know.
Scientology or not, i really hope Tom gets to have a joint custody as for all purposes he appears to be a loving father.
Um, yes, you are.
Great then. I don t mind looking at the other side of the coin.
Whatever goes, I wish the best for Suri
If you read up on the COS, I think you’ll see why even if Katie had questionable motives she would still be supported. Also, once you understand the organization, you’ll probably agree that Katie is just trying to protect her child:) Really, the cult is frightening but information about them online is fascinating to read.
Village Voice has an excellent series of reports on them plus a basic tutorial. Go to their site and search scientology.
@Diana – tut! tut! tut!
The second mistake you sciloonies make is to declare you aren’t sciloonies before going on to defend the sci position or Thetan.
Seriously, do they not teach you the art of dissembling successfully when they send you out to do just that??
@ LAK
So all posters according to you should have only two options – either be a scientologist or condemn scientology.
Suit yourself.
I dont care whatever you say about scientology. If you had read my comment with open mind you’d ave understood what I was trying to say. That this divorce is being made out only as loving mom vs scientology aka root of all evils in the world. But it might just be a clever manipulation and there may be some other factors which we as outsiders do not know. But LAK, whatever assuages your need for unsolicited selfrighteousness.
Thanks to the decent poster above who suggested me to look up scientology – I did and their beliefs ARE stupid.
@Diana – Really….name calling, ‘for us or against us’ projection, ‘evil catholic church’ upthread……dissembling FAIL.
What on earth is “unsolicited self-righteousness”?
Who would solicit self-righteousness? How can self-righteousness be “solicited”, anyway? Why did you put “unsolicited” in front of “self-righteousness”?
Diana – you’re playing like you’re assuming this story is true. Nobody on Katie’s legal team is going to allow leaks. This is a fluff news fabrication.
Katie’s divorce court action is not the same court action that’s going to destroy the Cult. The Judge will rule using family law, and doesn’t have time to spank some fake “religion” scamming Cult.
Go to bed. They’re keeping you up past your two-hour-per-night bedtime cycle.
This made me chuckle. I bet they switch out who writes for “diana,” so they can all get a restful two hours.
COS “is not following Katie or conducting surveillance on her in the wake of her divorce with Tom Cruise.”
Very finely worded. They are not following her in the “wake” of the divorce… but that certainly does not deny they were following her leading up to the divorce.
Ha, they are not lying. It’s not CO$ following her, but the RTC (Religious Technology Center) which basically runs Co$. They hire attorneys who hire investigators who then follow people. Its sickening. Sadly, they will probably get through this with some ridicule but they will continue being rich and influential. I don’t think Katie will talk a lot of smack against Co$. She will be happy to get out unscathed and she will still have to deal with Suri seeing her daddy on a regular basis.
I am not a big Kidman fan but Nicole doesn’t seem stupid or weak, but she kept her mouth shut all these years even though she was reported to be strongly against Co$ for years before the divorce AND lost her kids.
Even so, it doesn’t matter if they lie. To them lying to ‘wogs’ (non-scientologists) is perfectly legitimate and they think nothing of it.
They believe that they are above everybody else, above the law, and that they are saving the world. They’ll stop at nothing, certainly not as blatantly lying to the media.
I hope she gets her place swept for bugs regularly. I would not put it past these nutjobs. Who OF COURSE aren’t following her. Of course.
I have mixed feelings towards Katie but as many of you said, this is all about Suri and she has to be her mother for her well being. I think Katie, back in 2005, was dazzled by Tom but as time passed, things must have become really creepy I guess.
Go,Katie, take them down!
I have to wonder if she has been plotting her escape for many months, possibly a year due to residence requirements in New York.
I think longer than that. She’s very fortunate that Tom let her continue to have access to her family, and that her dad is a savvy attorney. Otherwise she would have been trapped longer, and definitely lost access to her child (hello, Nicole).
Okay, this is the article about how Katie was chosen to be the third Mrs. Cruise.
I know it’s the New York Post, but it’s written by Andrew Morton who wrote an unauthorized biography of Tom Cruise, so I feel he knows what he’s talking about.
And, the New York Post is owned by:- Rupert Murdoch.
http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/best_supporting_actress_REdKcnpi4xPjBFGO4Yjp4M?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Entertainment
This article confirms to me that Nicole is in fact firmly in Katie’s corner and has set her close friend Murdoch on the attack in order to make sure Suri doesn’t. end up like Conner and Isabella WOW.
I wonder if it’s more likely that Nicole is taking the opportunity to fight for more access to HER kids in the future? If Scientology crumbles even a little bit from the TomKat divorce bombshell, then whatever restraints that are currently in place that block access to her two older children might be loosened.
The kids are over 18 technically speaking Tom has no say over how much they see their mom. Because they believe she is a Suppressive Person and are brainwashed by Scientology they choose to avoid her and are therefore lost unlesss they wake up to the cult that has destroyed their relationship w/ their mother.
Good point. Maybe it’s all the stories about this particular family’s relationship with CoS and how closely Katie seemed to be controlled, but I always forget that the Kidman-Cruise children are no longer minors and can *legally* do what they want.
Still, I can’t help but hope that Katie’s very public break (and the negative attention that CoS is getting and will continue to get) will positively affect some of the relationships that have been shattered by the “church.” Very sad all around.
“a religion founded by science-fiction writer”
That just never gets old. Anyone else here huge fans of the Hunger Games books? Wanna start a religion based on them with me?
If it involves not eating, NO! If it involves Liam Hemsworth…maybe 🙂
No, I will pass! 🙂
That Sea Org deal sounds terribly scary. I can’t imagine why any parent in their right mind would send their 5yo off to be “parented” by someone else. The CO$ has some really messed up priorities. Don’t they? Tom Cruise is a scary person, he’s so up and down and just so…. weird. Ew… Go Katie! Go!
Hi-I’ve never posted on the internet before but here goes…I found this site a month or so ago..now I’m obsessed with this story.
A) Are there really people on this site from Scientology?
B) Was that one comment correct? That David person (head of the cult)..his wife has been missing for years?
Anyone?
Google the Village Voice and Scientology-but make sure you have a lot of time on your hands. The reading is gripping (and seriously scary stuff.)
Best article on Scientology was published in The New Yorker magazine. Google Paul Haggis Scientology and you can read the whole thing online. “Scary stuff” doesn’t begin to describe it.
I had my 14 year old daughter read that article. I want her to steer clear of any Scientologists she may come across in her life.
I like how that article explains how a seemingly rational person can be sucked into co$ and stay for years.
If they came at you straight up, you’d run a mile. It’s their sneaky way that is so scary.
@Julie – to question A) YES
The problem is that they are such terrible dissemblers that it is easy to spot them.
Yep. Here are the red flags:
All religions are cults
Derailing with comparisons to Catholicism, mentions of the Inquisition and/or Hitler
“Do the research for yourself,” “Make your own decisions,” “See what Scientology is,” these phrases show up over and over
Accusations of “bigotry” if you disagree with sci
Singling out a commenter and manipulatively saying they “seem rational” to approve of them or “I thought you sounded like a logical person, but I guess I was mistaken” to disapprove of them
The phrase “doth protest too much” (this is really weird but it appears a lot)
Excessive, oddly-placed use of quotation marks, spacing, and other punctuation
Denials: “I don’t know anything about scientology, but…”
Referring to it as “scientology” (rather than CO$, COS, a cult, etc.) and mentioning “scientology” in every other sentence
see poster no 58.
Another BIG flag is when somebody asks questions, you give info or links, and they don’t actually respond to what you write at all – they just reply with a rephrased question. This is a very basic technique all scientologists learn early on, and it makes it virtually impossible to have a real exchange of views with them.
Basically they don’t actually want to know what you have to say at all, they just want the space to repeat their own stance. Or in case of internet fora, they want to keep you busy and distracted from the real issues.
Actually, they do use the term “Co$” now, because we’re all so stupid we will be sucked right into their repetitive drivel. … snooze …
Google fact net scientology and there are very interesting articles there. Miscavighe however u spell it, his wife hasnt been seen in public since 2006. His father has just recently pulled out since this has hit with Katie and L Rons granddaughter has also. So there something going down. I spent all night reading on the scientologists and it was crazy. Then google L Rons death and that gets even more fascinating, as a yound David M. pops up at the deathbed, and a new will, blah blah.Prepare for an all nighter, have snaks, drinks, etc. As you will not be able to pull yourself away, honestly.
I think I read somewhere that Katie told a neighbor she felt like she was being “stalked”… was it on this site? I don’t remember. Anyway, police couldn’t pursue it because she didn’t want to file a complaint. BAD MOVE – I hope her father corrects this ASAP. In order to deal with stalking, you have to establish the paper trail, which starts with the police report. I honestly believe she’s being followed, I hope the paparazzi get tons of photos, and imagine how it will help her case, whether here or in Cali? BTW, if you Google some of the shots of the Escalade, you can clearly see in one of them that the guy in the driver’s seat is reading a gossip rag (or, as Co$ calls it, “the hot sheets”) with the screaming headline “KATIE DUMPS TOM”. LMAO
According to Radar, at least one of the guys in the Escalade had a gun and refused to talk with the NYPD. How can these people ignore questions from the police?
I’m glad Katie’s neighbors have her back and that people are noticing that she is being followed. Hopefully Mr. Holmes is gathering all of this evidence too.
Fellow CBers-
Please DO NOT feed the CO$ trolls such as casey and Diana. These trolls can be spotted a mile away and ALWAYS say things like “I don’t know anything about CO$” and ALWAYS bring up the Catholic Church. They are, as some of you suspect, paid shills to “defend” Tom and his cult, all the while using seriously bad grammar! 🙂
You can add me to the scientologist troll list then because I have criticised Katie Holmes too.
@Bubulle
Thanks. For standing up against cyber bullying. Btw I m an atheist from a country which does nt even have a COS. And i have actually learnt a lot abt scientology today which btw I think is a misnomer – there’s no science involved at all in this absurd religion.
And I m being considered troll for posting all of about two comments, none of them insulting any posters, and wishing well for a small girl who hopefully comes out of this divorce retaining BOTH a mother and a father.
We don’t have all the facts yet, but I am beginning to wonder if Katie has been hesitant to divorce Tom because she truly still loves him. I am glad her daughter’s welfare won out, though.
I do NOT think Katie was head over heels in love or swept off her feet. At least, not with him — perhaps the idea of him, or what her association with him could bring her. After all, she was his fifth pick after Jessica Alba, Lohan and ScarJo bailed. I hate to say it, but she got herself into this. His Scientology ties were well-known when they hooked up.
That said, Tom Cruise is a dangerous, closeted, ego-maniacal little man. He thinks because he can read a script and was born good-looking that he’s head-and-shoulders more important and smarter than (“Matt, you’re glib,”) everyone else. And he’s had handlers for the past 25 years who have enforced that. He’s sick. He is not right in the head. And that is not a religion, it’s a g*ddamned cult if one ever existed.
Katie was stupid enough to get into it for whatever her reasons were (and I don’t think it was love…not even close) and stupid enough to agree to be impregnated with his sperm (because you know damn well they didn’t sleep together). And now there’s a poor kid in the middle of it, who hopefully won’t grow up to be a spoiled brat with severe emotional problems and Daddy issues.
I am proud, however, the Katie seemed to get her head out of her ass in time and pull a fast one on the little closeted midget she was “married” to. He needs to be put in his place, badly. And it seems like she’s the one to do it. I hope she BRINGS it.
It doesn’t matter if their relationship was sexual or not never underestimate the power of charisma… OF COURSE she was mesmerized by him his fame and his passion. I’m sure he played her like a fiddle.
Right on, Turd !!
In his defense, Matt Lauer is a glib asshole lol. Seriously tho, TC is a controlling POS who thinks the sun shines out of his ass.
I’ve had a lot of friends who’ve fallen hard for abusive creeps. None of my friends are or were stupid. In fact, if one were to go just by my friends, the smartest ones are the ones who are most likely to end up with an abuser.
Anyone who thinks they can’t be played by an abuser and wake up years later to their horrible situation going “wtf was I thinking?” is more likely to get played by an abuser. Same goes for cults. Anyone can be conned, especially people who think they can’t be. Falling for manipulative, charismatic abusers isn’t “stupid” — it’s human.
Full front-page stories in both the NY Daily News and the NY Post about how Katie is being tracked by the COS, with photos of the cars tailing her. This is HUGE.
BTW the Post is owned by Murdoch but the News is not.
Lord forgive me, but I’m actually starting to like Rupert Murdoch just a teensy tiny bit.
It’s not like Tom has been undercover with his beliefs all these years. I’m sorry, I don’t feel bad for Katie. She didn’t marry some Joe Schmo, she married TOM CRUISE–the most recognized Scientologist in the world! You had to know what would be involved. If you didn’t, shame on you for not doing your due dilligence.
I honestly don’t know how TC is going to recover from this, image-wise. I think he thrived on being perceived as the “nice guy” and this is just going to bust that perception wide open. He’s either going to be the evil guy who steals Suri away from her mother or the weak guy who is at the mercy of a crazy religion/cult.
I’m glad Katie’s family wasn’t so charmed by TC that they didn’t start forming a plan if escape early on. Smart parents.
I think it would behoove KH to not go super hard for his money. If I were her, I would take the minimum and make it a point not to live lavishly, because it will go far to garner sympathy. Her Barneys shopping sprees are not too far from my mind.
I agree with this comment by Kate. TC cannot win either way. And thanks for the advice on what to Google. I’ve been looking at some stuff for the past 6 months or so but I’ve always been a little hestitant to believe all of it. What world to these people live in?
Don’t be so sure. The come back is already out there.
He has let every one know that he is ‘blindsided’ and ‘heartbroken’.
What’s the betting he finds a way to downplay the co$ stuff [whilst not really leaving]….he managed it before after that dreadful video and more came out.
I think it will be a bit different now that a child is involved. This is so widespread — two NY newspapers have cover stories about how KH is being followed. People is pro-KH. Scientology’s image took a hit when the John Travolta sex scandal broke in a very public way (as opposed to just the gossip sites covering it), and it seems like even Lisa Marie Presley has left the “church” (although that is way, way more low-key). For every story about how blindsided he was by it, there are three that detail what 6-year-olds at SeaOrg experience. He’s on marriage #3. I think “heartbroken” is going to be a pretty tough sell.
@Kate – The last time was just as public. He was fired from paramount. The owner publicly called him creepy. He ridiculed a post partum mother [Brooke Shields] for her way of dealing with her condition. He released material in support of co$ – all widely available on the internet. That interview with Matt Lauer. He really made an a$$ of himself in public. That’s before you add the kidman divorce which left many people with a bitter taste. That was nasty too and very revealing of his character too.
Putting out a statement that he is ‘heartbroken’ and ‘blindsided’ and thinking only of his children is a direct appeal to ‘minivan majority’ as Lainey calls them.
This man is a master manipulator. Katie has won the first round, but she better be ready for a war which he will be prepared to win and he fights dirty. Remember how he insinuated that kidman’s miscarriage around the time of the divorce wasn’t his baby when HE was carrying on with Penelope Cruz???!!!
The couch jumping was the apex of a period for TC where he was more and more crazy – in public. When he got together with Katie, there was the infamous story about how he auditioned his future wives before finally landing on her. The whole thing felt like a PR stunt to rehab his image and lo and behold, he was TC the reformed family man – in public.
You only have to go back to a week ago to TC threads on CB to see commentors really buying his schtick.
So Tom Cruise wants to put a kid who has never had a rule enforced, or followed a decision she didn’t make, or a consequence she had to follow up, he wants to put her in a highly structured military type environment, where she’ll get about 5 days off a year. What could possibly go wrong with that?
As per Scientology rules, won’t Suri just have to tell Tom, “no, I don’t want to do that. I want to stay with you. I want to be with mom.” haven’t they deliberately raised her to think for herself, since infancy, and they as parents have to abide by those choices, sweet little Suri makes for herself?
What changed? Just because she’s 6 now, they suddenly decided to step up to the plate and be her parents?
If you look at the picture of Tom where “raindrops” are falling on his head–what is that fold behind his ear? Plastic surgery scar? He is looking like Dorian Gray these days–ageless–so is this a telltale sign of what everyone has said? Lower lift, and then the regular fillers & freezers…
Someone should post a picture of him and do a side by side from his first days as an actor…
Suzie, there was a blind item recently regarding a male star who’s had a lot of work done, and Tom Cruise was the popular guess (Although it hasn’t been solved yet).
http://blindgossip.com/?p=43681
I’m sorry, but I don’t buy this. Not that Tom Cruise isn’t capable of this, but come on — they were absolutely in a contract marriage. It’s not like this is the first Lavender Marriage to ever hit Hollywood. And while a lot of folks here seem to be kind of clueless about Sea Org, you can bet your beans that Katie and Daddy Lawyer were aware of it when they wrote that contract. I refuse to believe that Katie entered that contract, which was supposed to include one child, without stipulating very specifically the amount of influence Scientology was allowed to have over said child. If she didn’t include a “Future Baby Doesn’t Enroll in Sea Org” clause, then she’s way dumber than I realized
I kind of agree. No way she was so “blindly in love.” She sold her soul to the devil and now she’s having cold feet. She is one lucky girl that her father is smart and savvy enough to try and help her out of this mess.
I think that when Katie met Tom she fell in Love and just didn’t think anything, including Scientology, through. She was swept of her feet.
I think she honestly felt Scientology wouldn’t be that big a deal to over come, like a Baptist and a Catholic marrying.. just different..not impossible. Rose colored glasses and being in love makes you think you can overcome anything. And I’m sure they let her only see the “pie in the sky’ view of it till much later.
I also think she thought by having a child together and getting married, they would grow stronger as a family and maybe Tom’s commitment to Sci would grow weaker.
Now that she see’s that isn’t going to happen,she’s getting out. I think If Tom would have left Scientology she would still be with him .. but she just couldn’t deal with Scientology running every part of their lives. Especially now that Suri is old enough to be trained outright (not that I think for one minute the daughter of Tom would be subjected to any kind of labor like Sea Org) she decided it was time to go.
If Tom wants Sci more than a loving family, he can have them.
and I’m sure Tom told Katie that crap about “you can still be a catholic and be a scientologist”…yeah, right…
You know, I don’t know if that top pic is really recent, but it’s the happiest and most refreshed I’ve seen her in literally years! She looks so fresh faced and beautiful here, like the old Katie. Before she got sucked into all the Scientology crap.
@ LAK
proove it??
What name calling did i do?
When did I ever say catholic church is evil? I m an atheist btw all the churches are one and the same to me
What projection are you talking about? You are the one who’s making it all ‘for katie or for scientology’
I left this for a minute to look and see if there were any updates. “Sources” are saying that KH is refering to herself as being in “Rosemary’s Baby”. This may sound a tad alarmist but could she be pushing stuff too far with the stories? Wouldn’t the best thing for your kid right now be to shut up and work through the lawyers? I do think TC believesin this Scientolgy stuff (very strange reading materials on them) but custody won’t be decided on blog sites. What if a judge decides she is the more unfit parent for being so public about all this?
Dont underestimate her father who s a leading divorce lawyer – I m sure she will not do anything which will affect her chances. And she s not coming out openly. That’s the beauty of gossip. You can communicate without setting up anyone concrete as a source. Lainey gossip has an intelligent analysis on this.
“Sources say” = fabricated bullshit. I don’t trust any unnamed sources. Neither should you.
I think she was totally star struck by it all! He was her childhood crush, she literally hero worshipped the guy and they molded her so she was the perfect step ford wife who looked good on Tom’s arm. I think they took advantage of her naive and weak nature which made her susceptible to the brainwashing subjected to her by Tom’s handlers. Even though she had her blinders on early on, I’m glad she’s found the courage to pull one over on Tom and his cronies, you go girl! I’m scared for both Katie and Suri considering what the cult is capable of even though both girls have the love and support of her family. I sure hope the paps and the residents of NY look out for Katie & Suri. Remember Katie we are all behind you, I hope you get what you want out of this and stay strong. On other note, Katie, her lawyers, her PR team can do damage to the cult/Tom’s image with the ammo they have on them, however they alone can’t bring em down (I will be surprised if they do) now Rupert Murdoch has spoken of his dislike for the cult maybe if Katie’s team can get him on their side with his power and influence in the media he could potentially take the cult down. This could be the beginning of rehabilitating News Corp’s image considering how much their image has been tarnished. I know Rupert isn’t exactly the best person per se. xx
Hoping the best for Suri, a 6 year old child.
Really think Katie was swept up much like a young Nicole was by the Tom C paying attention to me. That she willingly went along at first, then realized he and his fellow zealots were owned her and were well on their way to owing her child.
I do think Tom thought he had her completely controlled and he is scrambling to regain that control. And yes she is being followed, Tom and his lawyers and private investigators have done this for years. The zealots are also spying on her and I hope she has great security.
Didn’t think Katie had this much backbone, glad to see her act before Suri is lost like Isabella and Conner already are.
I wouldn’t expect the paps to protect Katie out of the goodness of their hearts. They’ll be just as susceptible to payoffs or whatever by Scientology as anyone else. If people want to protect Katie and Suri, I’d put my money on social media to track the stalkers.
I think think Bella didn’t visit Nicole because she wanted to be closer to her adopted mom, but rather went to drop a friendly little reminder to keep her mouth shut. Murdoch’s tweet is an eff you to that imo. I don’t trust those kids, esp. Conner. They’ve been involved with Sci far too long to expect them to do good for anyone other than Tom or Sci. Besides, what else do they know but Sci?
Imo, it’s wishful thinking to think that Katie and her team with kick so much *ss that they’ll take down Sci. That just sounds so much like a Hollywood movie. In reality, there aren’t enough people to band together well enough to go against Sci to take them down. There are too many people with too much to lose to do anything. That’s how Sci has managed to stay in business. I pretty much think that if you want to go against Sci and Tom, you’d have to be willing to risk losing everything. I think Tom’s response that he’s focusing on his three kids was kind of chilling. I wonder if he’s going to cut his losses and give Katie everything and just find another woman to give birth to the special child, or if he’ll find tooth and nail to get Suri. I wonder how much HE’S willing to risk?
Co$ “is not following Katie or conducting surveillance on her in the wake of her divorce with Tom Cruise”
Ha ha! Good lawyering! “In the wake of” means FOLLOWING an event. Since the divorce didn’t happen yet, technically, it’s true that they are not spying on her IN THE WAKE OF the divorce.
But they ARE spying on her right now.
Some have said that the his other children were not sent to Sea Org but how do we know that? I am not being a smart@$$, I am curious. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if this was a source of panic for Katie. CoS has taken a huge hit and having Suri go to Sea Org would have blew some new legitimacy into their cult. Plus if Tom is so hardcore then he would be all for it.
I also think he might have wanted to send her to Sea org. I mean, he could have gotten her a special treatment- not as hard and could have gotten her out for when he is not filming. I mean, he’s Tom Cruise, they bend over backwards to please him so they would definitely allow him things they wouldn’t allow ordinary members. That way, he would spend the same time with her he does now (since Suri is mostly with Katie and he only plays daddy when it is convenient for him- see his 50th birthday) and would still get enough photo ops as a loving daddy and Sea org would seem not as sketchy as it is and Suri would be properly emersed in this scary cult.
So, I’m actually a professor of religious studies (well, philosophy of religion, but I teach in a religious studies dept.), and have spent some time doing serious research on cults (or “New Religious Movements” NRM’s, as we call them in the academic world).
If Bella a Connor had been sent to Sea Org, they would probably still be there.
Sea Org is not just a school for kids. It’s more like the CO$ version of a religious order. Like Buddhist monks, or Catholic friars, for instance.
When you sign up for Sea Org–as a child whose parents sign you up, as a teen who gets pressured to sign, or as an adult–you sign a billion year contract (the idea is that you will continue in your future lives as well). You more or less sign your entire life away. You don’t get to just up and leave (unless you’re willing to pack a suitcase in the middle of the night and leave behind everyone you know in your life and enter the regular world without benefit of savings, work history, etc.).
It’s like making a vow in a religious order–you don’t just walk away, or leave when you come of age or finish a set amount of time.
IF you do want to leave Sea Org by official channels, you have to “Route Out.” Which usually means 3-5 years of penance, hard labor, and intense isolation. And THEN you might get to leave–again, with no money, none of the relationships you’ve had for years, and no real-world work history.
Also, in Sea Org, you’re allowed–encouraged, even–to get married to fellow CO$ Sea Org members, but if you get pregnant, you must abort the baby or be dishonorably discharged.
So, I’m guessing that Bella and Connor never had to sign up for Sea Org. But I’m sure that they have been made to undergo just about every other kind of brainwashing/missionary work etc.
Team Katie’s Dad. Mad props to her for getting the hell out of there. I’ve never been a fan and was repulsed by her union with the tiny nut but she is showing some real backbone. You go, girl. Suri will finally stand a chance
About Isabella & Connor, I’m with you that the son can’t be trusted but it looks to me like Isabella might have bailed. I remember pictures of her as young girl and she was quite pretty. It seems that ever since Suri was born she was just sort of forgotten and I think it may show physically. It would be nice if Nicole Kidman could spend a some time with her. Maybe this would be an opening to get one kid back.
Bella’s live-in boyfriend is a Scientologist.
I personally think Bella is on the outs with Co$. I mean she lives in Skid Row, her “boyfriend” sounds more like a Co$ goon. Mind you, this is just my opinion but something is fishy regarding Bella.
First she does an interview saying she is talking to her mom again. The next thing you know you hear reports of her living on Skid Row with her boyfriend. It sounds like she is being reprogrammed.
The only other theory I have is that her boyfriend is another person who wants to get out of Co$ was raised in the shady cult and wants to get away now that he is an adult.
I have noticed that and mentioned it on here before. Bella was an adorable little girl and then suddently she got majorly frumpy and unattractive and it just seems weird that a child would get so overweight when all of her parents are super fit and trim, that just seems to me evidence of some emotional trama/issues. I am not saying everyone who has some extra weight on them has issues but in this case it seems to fit.
Honestly all I have to say about this whole thing is I hope Katie doesn’t f*** around and get hurt.
Suri is Tom’s blood child and she is trying to take her away from him.
Men get vicious when you try to take their children, add in his resources and his cult?
I just pray that Katie is able to make a clean safe break.
Oh, you know this for certain, do you? That she’s his blood child?
Welll they portray it as his blood child.
“Better”?
I had a serious question re: the supposed “contract”
I believe Tom was auditioning Katie for the role of wife, not a movie role. BUT, other than a pre-nup (which is pretty standard these days), how on earth could there be a “contract” for her to play his wife for 5 years and pop out one child? Who would enforce that “contract,” the courts? I seriously doubt that a contract like that would be enforceable, because it is against public policy and I’m pretty sure (although admittedly I’m not a lawyer and could be mistaken) that actual marriage contracts are illegal.
What would be the point of a “contract” that could never be enforced?
I have been wondering the same thing since the word “contract” was mentioned years ago. But, I think a contract can be hidden within the terms of a pre-nup so maybe that is what everyone really means, but there is no way custody arrangements can be in a pre-nup, at least not to my logical sense, but I am not a lawyer, mediatator or judge.
Good luck to Katie and Suri; get out of jail and go free!!!
I posted it above but I’ll just say it again: Shelly Miscavige, the wife of the head of Co$ (why do we write it with the dollar sign?) David Miscavige, has been missing for several years. Nobody seems to know where she is, she obviously did something to seriously get her husband mad (and it seems the guy has a violent temper) and is probably being punished. If the head of Co$’s wife can disappear that way, imagine the kind of power he has. He is supposedly Tom Cruise’s best friend (was his best man at his wedding when he married Katie). This is why I am seriously worried for her and I wouldn’t be surprised if she is being followed.
Now we have an idea of what poor Nicole Kidman went through–and everybody blamed her for not trying to see her kids! I don’t think she was allowed to.
Because it’s an evil, money-grubbing and crazy CULT, thus CO$.
Not only is Shelly missing (probably dead), but Shelly’s mother suspiciously committed “suicide” a few years after Shelly married David.
I put “suicide” in quotation marks because somehow this very petite woman managed to shoot herself in the chest three times before shooting herself in the head, with a very long rifle.
And there are other “suicides” of scientology critics over years, and many strange deaths at scientology compounds.
Nicole Kidman should have fought harder for her kids, but I can’t blame her for giving up either. This is a strong cult with fervent followers.
“Shot herself three times in the chest before shooting herself in the head with a very long rifle.”
No. Damn. Way.
@Amy – it’s written with the $ because it is a very expensive religion. They require you to take classes and the classes at each level are exponentially more expensive the previous. They’ll let poor/middle class people in to be their henchmen but you need serious cash to even be able to take the courses to become a “learned” member of the church
Blind gossip is saying she has an ace in the hole….she caught him in bed with a sports figure aka Beckham…..and if Tom doesnt let her go easily she is spilling it. They are also saying Suri witnessed it. I know its rumor but this is a train wreck I cant get off of. Anxious to see this play out.
there was an interesting article on one website…what if during the divorce, the family court judge wants a child psychologist to interview Suri…we all know what COS thinks of shrinks…that would be interesting…
OK, This stuff should not be LOL funny but the thought of a judge ordering this kid to see a mental heath professional is funny. And it would be very sweet revenge for Brooke Shields. Or anybody else who has ever needed a little help. I never hated Tom Cruise or anything but that crap about depression after child birth really took the prize. But if TC is really best friends with this David wouldn’t he have noticed that the wife is missing for years? Seriously, how evil does everybody think Tom Cruise is? Or is it stupid or brainwashed? I mean, we’re talking about TC knowing about a kidnapping. If this man was the best man at his wedding, how could he not notice the wife not being around anymore? I believe this is a cult capable of some seriously bad stuff but I’m having a harder time making the leap to Tom Cruise personally. Ass yes, but truly evil is harder to believe.
Also for interesting read is a interview L Rons son did for Penthouse. You can google it. He is very forthcoming in regards to scientology and their beliefs or what have you. Supposedly, David M. banished his wife Shelly to the camp they have to rid himself of her so he could continue his affair with a woman who is now his personal assistant. His wife is supposedly kept in a lock down with 24 hour security detail. I assume she is dead and buried in the desert someplace. I wish I had never started reading this as now I am obsessed with it.
It’s not just Shelly. Also missing is Heber Jentzsch. He was once the public face of scientology, and the President of Church of Scientology International. Then he had a falling out with David Miscavige. He’s now missing.
Also missing Ken Hoden, former head of scientology’s movie facility. He also had a falling out with David Miscavige.
And what about the suspicious “suicides” of Stacy Moxon’s at their facility? Flo Barnett’s “suicide” (Michelle’s mother)? Shawn Lonsdale’s “suicide” (critic of scientology)? And so many others.
There are just a few too many coincidences for me.
Are you serious benny?
This goes beyond money grubbing and brainwashing.
If what you say is true, this is multiple murders.
I think Katie Holmes is gonna go down as the woman who blew wide apart this evil cult.
Katie, sending lots of love and prayers your way darling!
And do you know who else hasn’t been seen for several months? Tommy Davis.
Apparently his wife, Jessica Feshback (the same woman who was Katies ‘minder’ for several years) was terminally ill with cancer and I think she died sometime last year. People assumed he had taken time away from his job to be with her, but he never returned.
I believe he messed up somehow and incurred the wrath of Miscavige, so he could be dead and buried too.
Tiffin –
I didn’t know Davis was missing too.
I couldn’t remember the names of the artists who both committed “suicide” within a week of each other, after complaining about being followed and harassed by scientologists. But Google helped me out. It’s Jeremy Blake and Teresa Duncan. Blake’s clothes were found with a “suicide” note and an “anonymous” caller said she saw him commit “suicide” by walking into the Atlantic ocean.
Very scary. I know this is a gossip site and we don’t get too serious, usually. But I can only imagine the stress someone undergoes when they finally make the decision to leave, knowing that this type of thing happens.
After all, if a hit-and-run driver just “happens” to kill Katie, what could the authorities do?
Tommie Davis is missing? Isn’t he like one of their biggest spokes-man? How can they just get rid of someone so visible in the church? The more I read the more I can’t believe they get away with internal kidnappings & possibly murder. I really need to stop reading, because I’m getting obsessed!
my goodness, why nobody investigates this? meaning the FBI or the likes. after all, the sea org is abusing human rights so somebody could and should do something. Yeah, I know in Syria hundreds are daying daily and nobody moves a finger.
I doubt these people have been murdered (though I’m on the fence about Shelly). I think they’re in “The Hole”, the prison camp David Miscavige sends executives to when he gets angry with them. All Scientology’s top executives get sent there eventually: Debbie Cook is the latest to get out and talk about it.
doesnt scientology remind you of 1984 by orwell? the big brother is watching you crap is totally there.
I answer my own question. It’s so SCARY!!!
http://www.xenu.net/archive/1984/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpXbpMhnqNk
whoever could have imagined that it would be katie holmes who would bring such exposure to scientology.
According to blindgossip.com Katie has lots of material against Tom because she knows he was cheating- she surprised him with a family friend who’s a famous athlet (they don’t say who’s the athlet is and if he’s male of female, but the popular guess is Becks!) and they had a blind item about a famous actor spending lots of time with his younger costar in his hotel-room, trailer ect. and that the wife doesn’t care because she thinks it will be material she can use in the divorce, they solved it to be Tom Cruise and Jeremy Renner. Blindgossip says, they are not saying Tom is gay, but of course they are implying it!
http://blindgossip.com/?p=24436#more-24436
http://blindgossip.com/?p=20963
So while Tom Cruise is not officially out, I think this means he is now in the Travolta-league!
If this is true this will be the first “evidence” I have ever read about him being gay and/or cheating. There has been gay rumors for centuries about this insecure freak but I have never heard any actual evidence against him. Which is why I always wonder why the whole world seems to think he is gay.
Im from new zealand, my brother (whom is gay) told me that when tom was here filming (the last samari?) down in the south island either tom or his handlers were searching around the gay community for men for tom to sleep with. He is GAYYYYY..
There was a gay pornstar claiming to have had sex with Tom. And his first wife (Mimi Rogers?) said something like they divorced because she was tired of living like a nun. But yes, till now there wasn’t that much. I think many people also assumed he’s gay because some of his relationsships seemed very fake. But till now I thought it was a possibilty but also that he might be heterosexual or asexual (some people were arguing for asexual too).
Thats why I say Travolta league- before it was well, it might be true, it might just be rumours.
Just saw that there is a additional solved item about Tomkat- this one is from 2009 and says that she wants out the contract but hasn’t yet fulfilled everything in it, but that she might get a nice sum anyway to keep quiet about his special relationsship with another famous male! Well, obviously she stayed, but its one more item not saying but implying that he’s really gay (the high profil male might be Becks or maybe Will Smith?)
According to more than a few men I know in the design world who gay, you can definitely count Tom and George in; a few others in that circle are bisexual. It seems very commonly known at least among men in three cities.
Why do you put ‘followed’ in quotation marks? She IS being followed. So are her parents and other close confidantes. Co$ follows EVERYBODY who might even SLIGHTLY be able to speak out against them. It’s their oldest MO, straight from Ole Hubs’ playbook.
They’ll do it within plain sight to intimidate her and her circle, and well hidden to cover all the angles. Right now there’s probably a whole team of OSA agents tasked with knowing exactly what she and her people are doing, and make sure that they know they’re being followed too.
Sorry, just a bit ticked off by the sceptism about “following”. Have you watched the BBC Panorama documentaries? Having people followed in their #1 method of intimidation.
TOM/S CAREER IS OVER..WHAT TOMMY DOESN/T REALIZE.PPL LIKE KATIE WAY MORE THAN HIM.DON/T TAKE BABIES FROM MOMS..this will ruin him…
Besides this I’ve been reading Village Voice all day. Since others have brought up the word suicide I feel a little more comfortable saying this. I don’t think people in Hollywood like Tom Cruise anymore. Nobody has been on his side since the couch jumping/Brooke Shields time period. Even People magazine seems to be on the KH side so far. There seems to have been some high level defections just recently from the organization. Just in the back of my mind I can see TC just losing it mentally if the org goes under and his career dives.
Sacrifice or donation? LOL
So since I am on a break for the summer, I get the feeling the Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes divorce may become my new addiction. But at least it is an educational one because I have been doing so much research on $cientology.
I know a lot of people yesterday were saying how scared they were for Katie. I disagreed because I thought then (and still do) that for a religion obsessed with image they would not dare kill her because it would bring the cult under greater scrutiny from the media and potential law enforcement. I still agree with my original statement but I can see why people are scared. This is a very unpredictable cult and common sense flies out the window when dealing with these people.
I had a professor during my undergrad years who did a study in The Culture of Cults. It was in regards to research about cults and their ability to create a new culture in such a short span of time. One thing mentioned in cults is people who naturally have low self worth are extremely susceptible and when they leave the cults their self worth is still low. I can see a number of ex-members sacrificing their own lives to bring down the cult.
More than anything if you look at various cults over the years such as People’s Temple, Heaven’s Gate, Branch Davidian, etc, you realize that the amount of scrutiny these cults faced caused their leaders who forced their members to do drastic things. Like most cults, Co$ is no different in that its members are under the control of a sociopath. Much scrutiny has been given to David Miscavige and well it sounds like he is a master criminal of the highest order. If you read about Jim Jones and all the information we have on David Miscavige the similarities in their personalities are eery.
I could go on but instead I will give you this link.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/06/scientology_dave_fagen.php
I read this man’s story and it is eerie. I really hope Katie stays safe.
I found this video and the stories are so similar it’s creepy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=sGzYM0LRHwY
Leeloo,
Thanks for the link to the Dave Fegan article. Interesting that it was the money-making aspect that caused his initial doubt.
I think that Miscaviges lust for money will be his undoing.
I hope more of the ordinary CO$ members like Dave Fegan start to question the money aspect. Like you, I’ve read so much this weekend I’m confused, but one thing I read is that Miscavige intends introducing a new e-meter (isn’t that the tin can thing? – only way I can think to describe it) later in the year. Every member will have to buy one and it will cost $4,000
Maybe this will be the next thing to cast doubt in CO$ members minds about Miscavige’s leadership.
And thank’s for the YouTube link – I’ll save it for tomorrow, because now I need to sleep!
Thanks for your comment and the link, LeeLoo. I’m going to read it tonight when I get home (tonight being the next day at this point). I’m so behind since this story hit; there is such a wealth of information and backstory to get caught up on.
does anyone remember how quickly Katie got pregnant? Hadn’t she just split for her long term boyfriend Chris someone, and weren’t Suri’s baby photos delayed from the press for months…Maybe Tom isn’t Suri’s father. Maybe that is another thing Katie has on him. Why doesn’t he just come out already, like A.C.
For those of you who are just now discovering what CO$ is about and if you want to see what kind of methods they use to follow, intimidate and provoke, you MUST WATCH the two BBC Documentaries about CO$ that Anne (above) has mentioned.
You will see CO$ in action and you will hardly believe what you are seeing and hearing.
It is worth taking the time to watch just as much as taking the time to read all those articles online.
Here is the link to the first part of the first documentary by BBC journalist John Sweeney, called ‘Scientology and Me’ (It’s in four parts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuJlZ_f1594
And here is the link to the follow-up documentary John Sweeney made three years later called ‘The Secrets of Scientology’ (This is one complete hour)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr2BijIprqg
I think you’ll recognise a lot of the names.
So far in this war, only Katie has landed any shots. At this moment, she is the strong, loving mom, keeping her child from a crazy cult. What is Tom going to use in this PR war as so far, it is not good.
Girl friend was out today without the ring, showing her finger to the paps like others do when they GET the ring, not GET RID of it. She is not hiding and is going about her business like she is on top of the world. She is serious.
Ya know, I never really thought much of Katie but looking at all these pics nonstop has showcased that she really is beautiful. She has a radiating natural beauty(especially in that top pic) when she’s not being held captive. Can’t wait for her to get through this and back to her care-free girl next door self.
Oh man, why can’t people just accept the easy? Katie was pregnant and dumped. Tommy Girl can’t have kids, he’s gay, and it was time for another beard contract. Katie thought it would be a glamorous life. She was immature and had stars in her eyes. Living with a gay man for five years is a LONG time. And a crazy gay man…shish.
Why TommyGIRL?
Because girl=bad?
Getting sick of people trying to insult someone by calling them female.
Me, too, Flan. Also am getting really tired of the “short” insults.
“is not following Katie or conducting surveillance on her in the wake of her divorce with Tom Cruise.”
Of course not, they had been conducting surveillance on her LOOONNNGGG before she filed for divorce. Careful wording, I see what you did there.
I am glad for Katie and Suri. However, I still say that Katie should have seen this coming, as Cruise has been a COS nut for YEARS. I think she was content to live in Tom’s fantasy world and tolerate the COS stuff until this “last straw” business. Frankly, I wouldn’t want my child to be exposed to even five minutes of the COS stuff, let alone to have been raising her in “the church” all this time, as they have with Suri.
I am still disgusted by the stories that went around regarding a big “pacifier” Cruise supposedly had made for Katie to bite on during labor because of the COS silent birth thing. Ugh. The whole thing is so creepy and cultish.
Anyway, glad Katie and Suri are leaving, and I hope they have a more normal life in future.
You know who we haven’t seen in a while? Kirstie Alley. Maybe she ballooned up again and went into hiding. Or she’s waiting for the cuts from her latest face-lift or nip/tuck to heal.
Anyway, just saying there could be legitimate reasons why some people seem to “disappear.”
However, with Co$, too many people “disappear” or commit “suicide” — can they ALL be coincidences? You decide.
kirstie alley is doing adult diaper ads these days… i see it on cable way too often. she looks like she’s keeping it off in the commmercial.
In a Village Voice article about Lisa Marie Presley leaving Scientology, Jason Beghe had this to say: “I also think Kirstie has one foot out the door. And Kirstie and Lisa are two hearts with one beat.”
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/05/lisa_marie_presley_says_so_long_to_scientology.php
In that top photo, it looks like Katie is wearing a slip with her top.
Interestingly enough, many of the defectors still believe in the teachings of Scientology. They find fault with David Miscavage and all the abuses within the church and that’s why they left
i don’t get that either but i suppose it can be hard to change your belief system especially of you are only rejecting the method rather than the faith.
It is very typical of cult members to still believe in the basic teachings but give up on the cult itself. I say baby steps.
I am so disapointed with Tom! At first I thought all the things people say about him were just bitchy gossip, but now I think they are all true. The whole $CO thing got him crazy!Katie Holmes wouldn´t be divorcing him, specially now that they have a kid if she did nothave a good reason. I am sorry for her. Now she will face hell on earth. Please, paparrazis, keep your cameras on her and Suri, so the $COs will not have a chance to do something wrong to her!! Be strong, Katie!
Read interviews on his pre-co$ ways. Katie wasn’t just dealing with a religious nut. Take away co$ and you still have an overbearing controlling person. Google articles by Robe Lowe, Bronson Pinchott and Sally Van Slyke where they talk about him.
That one by Sally kind of confirms my impression of him, all the oh-so-great guy stuff is carefully manufactured. Surely he’s not the only star to be that way, but he’s just become so obvious about it.
Is it any wonder that she never had another child with him? This has obviously been building up for some time. You have to think back about how this all started, and he was her idol. She once said she had a Top Gun poster on her wall growing up. She was mesmerized by him in the beginning just because of who he was. It has likely taken years to “de-program” herself from being in love with who she thought he was. The pictures from the past do really tell a story. You can see how she started to change over the years. So happy that she has taken back control of her life, and hopefully Suri’s.
See, she doesn’t have “the IQ of a spinach salad” afterall.
again, my only comment will be…
I pray and hope to God our heavenly father the best outcome for katie and suri…pray.
that’s it folks!
Here’s an interesting article where a former high ranking member of Scientology talks about how Nicole Kidman kept Tom away from the church during their marriage, and after they divorced they sucked him back in and turned him into the crackpot we all know today. It’s a more sympathetic portrayal of him and explains why he all of a sudden turned so batsh-t. People on this board revile Tom for his CoS ties, and rightfully so, but I maintain that he’s capable of being a decent person and hope he’ll be able to break free from that gang of psychotic bullies. If even Tom was being monitored and harassed then who the hell is safe in that cult? Just Miscavige?
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/tom_cruise_scientology_marty_rathbun.php
I posted that somewhere on here. I agree. I have never thought Tom was evil. He’s just become a zealot since leaving Nicole and being sucked back into the church as a higher-up. Many ex-Scientologists believe if Tom would wake up to the fact that David Miscavige is evil and leave the church he could save his marriage. Of course, believing that article and the thoughts that he loves Katie takes away all the contract nonsense that Nicole and Katie were contracts. Somehow I think Tom is too far gone. How he can’t see Miscavige is insanse is mind-boggling.
It’s because scientology thinks psychiatry is the devil.
Seriously. This would never go on if some of these people were encouraged to get some therapy to sort out their problems. But Ole Hubs knew damn well that he was a crackpot and any psychiater would spot that immediately, so he declared war on the entire practice, and no scientologist is allowed near any form of mental health care.
I’m not sure if I completely buy the ‘Tom is a victim’ line. I would be glad if he defected, but I don’t think I could entirely forgive him. (same as some of the other high level defectors, actually. Damn thrilled to see they got out. Happy to work with them on an ally basis. Forgive and forget the harm they spent all those years doing? Not until they’ve shown some serious commitment in fighting the cult)
I think they appealed to his need for approval and personal importance, to his ego, by making him so important to the cult. Something in his personality made him go – seemingly unquestioningly – to the point where he is now. He is either cynically playing along, or so submerged in his own ego that he keeps continuing to support Miscavige. I feel much more sorry for the people he convinced to join and go deep into debt, sell their houses, disconnect from their families, all for a shill story and superpowers he knows do not exist.
COS has now issued 2 denials – they aren’t following Katie (yeah right) and Suri was never a candidate for Sea Org because you have to be 16.
I don’t remember them ever being so defensive and issuing denials to the press, even when crazy stuff like the Southpark episode aired. Correct me if I’m wrong, but they seem a bit worried about public perception in the wake of this split.
Also saw that Katie fired her security team and has a new, bigger team not connected to Tom in anyway – excellent idea.
Something kind of funny I’ve noticed: the only time I ever see people who say they are atheists say anything like “all religions are the same to me” is on Scientology threads. “All the churches are one and the same to me” is particularly weird phrasing that I cannot imagine any atheist I’ve known ever using.
I’m an atheist. All religions are not the same to me, any more than all countries are.
Or people who qualify their comments equating Scientology with all other religions by insisting they’re a “teenage girl from the midwest”.
This Scientology thing is really creepy. I remember a center had opened here in the San Fernando Valley (somewhere in Van Nuys I think). That shit didn’t last long, lol. Now it’s a dental office. Then there were COS members handing out pamphlets outside the Burbank Mall that one time. I just side-eyed when they tried to give me a pamphlet.
I can’t help but to be worried about her. The man is just nuts. He displayed that on the Oprah show (which I just re-watched a clip of on YouTube) and by being so brainwashed by that cult.
The whole Scientology bunch reminds me of Children of the Corn for some reason.
I hope she hires herself some good security. At least she has the public and probably the media on her side. Almost everyone thinks Scientology is nothing but insanity. I’ll never forget my first real understanding of it, which happened after reading an article in Radar, when it used to be a magazine. I sat there dumbstruck and in disbelief that anyone could believe something like that. Thetans? Xenu? When I hear Xenu, I think of the Great Gazoo from the Flintstones for some reason.
But only those furthest along (have spent the most money) actually know about Xenu and the alien story. That’s how it works – it all sounds quite plausible at first, ridding yourself of past trauma – it even sort of works (in the sense that repeating a painful or embarrassing memory over and over makes it lose its power – of course, we get our conscience from past negative emotions!). The crazy is introduced very gradually and not until you’ve spent a shitload of money, all your friends are insiders and you’ve alienated your external support network. Then you find out glimmers of crazyball, but you’re invested so deeply that you’ll be actively convincing yourself that it’s all true and that the final truth (when you finally make it ‘up the bridge’ to the highest level) will be all worth it.
In fact since the Xenu story started to leak out via the internet there’s a whole load of rules dedicated to making sure rank and file scientologists don’t hear it (they were supposed to get sick and die if they heard if before they’d reached that level and were ready for it). When protesters made use of that by reciting the story to scieno’s who were harrassing them (look up ‘bullbaiting’) the story changed, and members are now told that the Xenu story is fake. Lovely surprise if they ever do finally reach that level and find out it isn’t, but by then they’re in so deep that they either won’t speak up, or won’t be believed.
In a way, I don’t think highlighting the alien crazyball story really helps the anti scientology cause. It makes people say “why, they’re all nuts, I would never fall for that, they deserve that they get” and ignore that there are very real, insidious ways to draw perfectly reasonable people into something as insane as this cult. Like any abusive relationship, it’s all lovely at the beginning and the crazy doesn’t come until you’re already deep inside.
lucky katie left him.he control her too much
List of Hollywood scientologists. This is why the gossip mags will never tell the truth about the cult:
http://www.imdb.com/list/3n-MSlvV4vw/
So half of the people in Hollywood are really dumb or what? 😉
Wow! That’s a shocking list!!!
I knew about most of the people mentioned; some names I didn’t recognise, but I guess they wouldn’t be well-known anyway.
But I am shocked and disappointed to learn about Candice Bergin, Shirley MacLaine, Karen Black and Bernadette Peters. Especially Candice Bergin and Shirley MacLaine.
See, now that I know, I can never look at them in the same way again. So, so disappointed.
I love the way Will Smith and family were included even though they’ve never actually come out and said they belong to CO$.
The author probably should have put Jennifer Lopez on the list too.
Thanks for posting that Belle Epoch.