When I saw the headline for this story I thought it was going to be about Jessa Duggar, a 21 year-old member of the huge Duggar clan whose “courtship” with an 18 year-old boy has been making headlines. Instead this is about Jessa’s slightly older sister, Jill, 22, who is engaged to be married to a 25 year-old accountant named Derick Dillard, 25. Derick was hand picked for Jill by her father, Jim-Bob, who received an email from Derick and eventually decided that he was worthy to court his daughter. More on that later, but first here’s the announcement:
Jill Duggar, 22, who is studying to be a midwife, recently revealed her courtship with Derick Dillard, 25, an accountant in Rogers, Ark. Now, she tells PEOPLE exclusively, the two are engaged to be married.
“I am so happy,” says Jill. “Our story is so very unique. The first time we talked, he was in Japan, we met in Nepal, he spent time in India and Israel and then came back to Arkansas where he met my family. We have a very international story even though we live so close.”
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Jill and her younger sister Jessa, 21 – who is in a courtship with Ben Seewald, 18, of Hot Spring, Ark. – have shared the differences between dating and courting with millions of viewers. The girls, along with their sisters Jana, 24 and Jinger, 20, also explain those differences in their new book Growing Up Duggar, released earlier this year. Once the couple became engaged, they agreed that they would hold hands – a physical contact they decided to hold off until engagement. They will share their first kiss on their wedding day.
“I feel like I’m dreaming,” Derick tells PEOPLE of his engagement to Jill. “It was great to grab her hand for the first time.”
So these two couldn’t even hold hands until they were engaged, and they’re not going to kiss until they’re married.
As far as how this relationship came about, People had a story announcing their “courtship” back in November, and they revealed the detail that Jim-Bob picked Derick for Jill:
“I had gotten an email from Derick a few years ago and gave him my phone number so he could share the work he was doing in Nepal,” Jim Bob says of his first interactions with his daughter’s new beau. “I was impressed with him as I got to know him over the years. He sounded like an amazing young man. I felt like from the beginning, they had similar personalities and goals. I thought they would hit it off.”
Several text messages and very long Skype conversations later, and Jill agreed.
Well hopefully they’ll be happy together. They certainly look like they’re meant for each other. I think it’s cute when couples look alike and these two look like they could be related. I don’t mean that in a creepy way! They have similar facial features.
Here’s a video of Jim-Bob and Michelle monitoring 22 year-old Jill’s Skype conversation with Derick. It also explains how Jim-Bob got to know Derick, who was his “prayer partner” before he introduced him to Jill.
Did you hear about the huge scandal involving the Duggar’s spiritual leader, Bill Gothard? Gothard is a fundamentalist who was formerly president of the Institute in Basic Life Principles and started a homeschooling program called the Advanced Training Institute. The Duggars have supported Gothard and ATI for years. Gothard resigned his duties after he was accused of sexually harassing at least 34 young women over decades. There are photos of Gothard with some of the young Duggar girls, and the girls have worked at his retreat camps. I hope they were never alone with him.
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
Ugh. Why are these people covered so much on gossip sites? I’ve no problem with them being as religious as they want, but I always feel like they’re shoving their religious propaganda down my throat and I say this as someone who’s quite open to Christianity these days. I’m just so tired of seeing them everywhere.
I agree with you. My take on this whole thing is that.. Religion is like a penis… Its great to have one, its great to be proud of it! But please… for the love of science… Please do not shove it down peoples throats
lol
LMAO at that perfect analogy 😂
That sums it up perfectly:-)
LMBAO. 😀
I agree. Frankly, I think the messages they spread are dangerous and irresponsible. That mother especially drives me crazy — she seems to be completely vapid. I would love to know the kind of education these kids receive.
Why is it okay for you to take my right to religion/tradition away. Everyone has their own beliefs. You always here about all of them. Why is it that folks are now treating Christianity like a 4 letter word.
It’s not okay for you to ask for respect when you clearly have none for others, their opinions or beliefs.
I’m a practising Catholic and think that the messages the Dugaars spread are very dangerous and aren’t doing any favours to normal religious people.
@whatever
I am a Christian and I think they are the antithesis of everything I believe. That’s their right. The problem I have with it is that they are forcing their innocent children to partake of their sick lifestyle and beliefs. Purity balls, where your father becomes your boyfriend. No education beyond “women’s work.” Father choosing your husband. Spiritual leader who sexually harasses women. Women are less than men in God’s eyes. If that’s your idea of religion and tradition, that’s your business. But please don’t ask me to respect you for it, as I won’t ask you to respect me for my belief that we are all equal in God’s eyes, that women have minds and God wants them to use them, and that the idea of your father being your boyfriend is sick.
@whatever
Nobody’s taking away your freedom for religion. Church and religion are highly protected and many get away with things that should be against the law (look up blanket training, something the duggars promote, or even the church near me that buries hundreds of children because medicine and doctors ate against their beliefs. Kids dying if a bladder infection is torture and abuse, and unnecessary and evil.)
If anything, the freedom FROM religion is something many struggle with. people are free to practice what they choose, but we need to remember people are free to practice no religion, too, but the freedom to remain out of the church is often brushed off, and people like myself (good, kind, helpful people) ate always waving away people who are trying to recruit them. constant disregard for their practice of non-religion is the same disrespect frowned upon when directed at someone’s faith. It should be respected equally, but it isn’t.
I’m not trying to take your rights to your religion or your traditions away, Whatever. You can do as you please so long as you don’t harm others.
Do I respect them? Well, that depends what your beliefs and traditions are. There are Christians I respect immensely and there are others, like the Duggars, whose ideas I think are wrong and harmful. The Duggars don’t respect my beliefs, either, and that’s their right.
Isn’t separating church and State the only way to ensure freedom of religion?
I’m always surprised whne atheists say that they are are harrased by religious people because I’ve never encountered that and I have a lot of atheist and agnostic friends. Atheism is sometimes viewed as intellectual and therefore praised. I’ve been told I’m stupid by a couple of atheists just because I believe in God ( and I’m left liberal)
It may be a function of where you live, Tatjana. It might also be that you’re not around your atheist and agnostic friends all of the time. I’ve been harassed by religious people telling me that I’ll go to hell and threatening to tell my employer or my parents of my godless ways. There are bad apples of all belief structures (and people who tell religious folks that they’re stupid are definitely bad apples).
@Lunchcoma: I agree with Tatjana. I live in a major urban area in the States, and am friends with many atheists/agnostics. It’s not discrimination, but I’ve definitely been made to feel that atheism is an intellectual choice, whereas religion is the opiate of the masses. It does go both ways. I have little tolerance for people preaching at me from either perspective.
MONEY! They are raking it in.
Guess what! None of you have to watch their television show, read the magazines they are on or even click this link for that matter. Problem SOLVED!
It’s ridiculous to complain about something you dislike so much yet feel compelled to read about. About 80% of the stuff on this site is of no interest to me. I have disdain for a lot of these people and their way of life. So guess what! I simply go to the next story and see if I want to bother wasting my time on it. Out of the average 10 stories CB has a day, the most I have ever bothered reading is maybe 4. Usually I just read the headlines and then I am gone!
This family seems really nice and they seem to really care about each other. I have seen a few of their shows on TV. Maybe I don’t want to live my life like they do but I don’t think they are shoving their beliefs down my throat. When I watch them it’s because I actively decide to do it.
Yes no one should ever comment if their opinion is a negative one.
That would make for a REALLY fun, diverse, and interesting gossip blog.
*eye roll*
That argument is so tiresome. Just because you don’t like our opinions doesn’t mean that we aren’t entitled to read what we want, think what we think about it and express our opinions on it. You don’t get to decide who gets to comment on this “really nice” family, who are raising their daughters to believe they are inferior to men, and that Daddy is their boyfriend. I wish people like you wouldn’t comment, because I find it so discouraging that there are people out there so desperate to be told what to do that they will follow and support people like the Duggars’ “spiritual leader” who is now accused of sexually harassing dozens of women, but I’m not telling you you can’t because you have every right to your opinion. As do all of us.
My comment is more about the people saying this is being shoved down their throats. NO it is not.
My point is not to read it. Yes go ahead and say all you want about these people.
Milley is everywhere and I only know a portion of what is going on in her life because I don’t care to know anything about her life. That is not to say I have not clicked on a few links.
But yeah quit complaining that these people are telling you how to live your life. They are not. They are telling people how they live their lives and if you don’t care to listen. Then don’t. Otherwise it’s really ridiculous.
It’s like the people who sue McDonald’s for weight gain. If I were the judge I would throw them in jail for wasting my time.
Good for them. I’m glad he’s traveled the world–perhaps he’ll take her along in their future adventures and she can experience the wonders of new cultures.
I’ve said it before, but I have a lot of experience with people that share this family’s worldview. I hope they were protected from Bill Gothard, but if they worked for him… and as pretty as they are… I really do hope they were spared.
I know a lot of religious people, but I never came across anything even close to the Duggars.
They look good together. They look happier than the other daughter and her boyfriend.
I excitedly await the “I Married a Duggar” tell-all which one of these boys will eventually release. It will be amazing.
true – but the point at which one of the girls breaks and writes “growing up duggar – the dirty truth” will be even better
Oh, what a big surprise. “Spiritual leader” who preaches that women should be subservient to men turns out to be a creep who sexually harasses women. I, for one, am stunned by the news.
I know, right. What are the chances that someone who thinks women were created solely to serve men would think he is entitled to force women to service him?
I mean, statistically what are the chances?
Have you guys heard of those “Purity Balls”?
So disturbing:
http://progressivepopulist.org/2014/03/21/purity-balls-youre-married-god-father-boyfriend/
Was the thing in Shameless where Karen went with her father a purity ball?
Ugh. That is so sick. And sad.
I guess only girls have to be pure? These people just ought to be arrested. It’s one thing to have your own religious beliefs, and they can be as stupid as you please, but to drag innocent children through this pathetic ritual – God is your husband and your father is your boyfriend – sick, sick, sick.
Cause I guess teenage pregnancy is so much better.
Heard of?
Been to.
And yeah. Take whatever twisted up image you have in your head, multiply by 10, and you might, in the far far far distance, actually come close to how messed up a lot of that crap is. All? No. I’ll be fair. But let me put it this way – I’m not the only woman in the country who will try to hide the hyperventilating that can hit when the phrase “Keep Sweet” is said around us. Those purity balls, where men, both related to you and not, sit around discussing your sexual ‘worth’ is just… gah. And now I need a shower.
@Nemesis
I have no objection to a young woman choosing to abstain from sex if she wants to. But having a ball where God becomes your husband and your FATHER becomes your boyfriend? For girls only, so apparently boys can do what they want? That’s your idea of how to prevent teenage pregnancy? How about communication and education?
@ Nemesis: to add to the comments above, as Goodnames said there’s a realistic approach that doesn’t involve treating young women with the chastity-as-treasure approach and without making a woman’s sexuality a commodity to be traded between fathers and young men. The realistic approach involves frank discussions, education and accessible prophylactics.
@Jenna-The phrase “keep sweet” in is reference to retaining your virginity?
The ‘keep sweet’ is actually a far more encompassing and scary mindset – it’s basically a threat under cover of clenched jaws that, said in the ‘right’ parts of the country will snap a girl into behaving better then an outright screaming threat of physical violence. Mainly because it promises all that and more once ‘outsiders’ aren’t around. It means to keep your head down, your face blank (but you better not look sullen, upset, afraid, ‘willful’ or even curious. Blank doll like smiles only, but not too big or friendly because then you could be ‘asking’ for male attention), shoulders down, and only answer softly and quickly if directly demanded a verbal response. To be ‘sweet’, virginal, obedient, quiet, speak only when spoken to. Your father owns you until you marry (who he picks) and then your husband. In a lot of the churches, women are flat out told that the idea of ‘man of the house’ is because the ideas of “God” and “Faith” are too big for a woman to understand so she is to worship and trust the man over her and he is her ticket to heaven. Its a scary scary mindset, and one I’m only too glad has me jotted down as too ‘damned/damaged and dangerous’ to even be allowed in most extended families homes.
That.. happened about the day I realized, at 15 while my uncle was crushing a puppy’s skull while screaming for the boys to watch because ‘god put us above all animals to do as WE choose’ that a) I was 6’2 and therefore bigger then he was by about 6 inches. b) my daddy wasn’t like this (I got sent for summers) and c) worst they could do was kill me. And I was pretty sure in that moment I would take more than a few with me if they tried. The boys in that mindset aren’t used to being in real fights. And the shock they get when a woman SPEAKS is so strong, they can’t function or fathom being turned on. I wasn’t able to save the puppy (I did kick 9 kinds of hell out of the uncle though, and get the rest of the litter safely away) and my ‘virtue’ in their eyes had been long gone since I had been ‘evil’ enough to be molested as a toddler. Are the Duggar’s like my extended family? I don’t know. Never met them myself. But there are so many scary over laying threads on that show that my own past tends to jump up and holler if I get stuck watching even an ad. There is something just… off about total and placid abdication of personal choice and personal responsibility. I figure I’ll get my own assets into the hereafter, even if I have to lockpick a back window and wiggle my butt in while the archangels are looking the other way!
Wow, Jenna, it’s terrifying that children are being brought up that way. I’m sorry you went through that, but so glad to hear you’ve gotten out of that environment and away from your extended family.
@ Jenna, there are no words. I’m sorry you dealt with it, but glad you got out. I can’t even begin to imagine what that’s like..
Holy sh-t, Jenna.
Every person should read your story–every person here….
So happy you got out of there.
@Jenna, I’m so sorry! Yes, you are definitely not alone in your severe reactions to purity culture triggers.
Jenna, I’m so glad you got out, and that you’re speaking out now against the horrible people. You are very brave.
Jenna, I’m so glad that you were able to get away from that! And good for you for kicking some a*s along the way 😉
Jenna
Do you know of any support groups or omline forums for survivors of this type of lifestyle? How do individuals such as yourself get together to share and comfort one another? Because I can tell you something – your story will produce shock, horror, sympathy and well-deserved admiration from people who have never lived that way. But unless you speak with a trained professional or other survivors you will not be completely understood.
But fwiw everyone is proud of you.
They are both so cute!
I bet Jim Bob thinks he’s pretty cute too. “Prayer-partner”, my ass (or somebody’s ass).
I will say they LOOK happy. Hopefully they are.
It’s not like they know anything different – they haven’t had a taste of what they’re missing out on. Sad, but true.
I hope they’ve been daring enough to make out when no one is looking. Lol
I’ve only read the occasional article on this family so I wonder how daddy would handle walking in on one of his daughters while she and her partner are doing more than holding hands. My impression is that he’d deal with it as well as someone who just find out the Earth will end next Tuesday.
They are never allowed to be alone together. Ever. Even the ones in their twenties. So much trust these parents have in their daughters.
Im surprised. I thought jessa was going to get engaged first. I like the duggers. They seem like a very nice family.
They don’t educate their children properly and they teach their daughters that they are less than men. Very nice family indeed.
+infinity
OMG, I laughed at the title and then I realized it was pretty much straight from the horse’s mouth. The older I get, the more I hate how out of control the First Amendment has allowed things to get.
(I mean that in a thankful-I-live-in-a-country-where-such-freedoms-are-available-to-complain-about kind of way.)
I’ve long been ambivalent towards the Duggars, but something about this whole “courting” thing creeps me out. So much of the emphasize is focused on remaining “pure” and chaste for marriage. The constant supervision basically serves to affirm that the parents do not believe the children could be trusted to make good choices in their absence. I wouldn’t want my parents t have such an implied low opinion of me.
I remember reading that “courting” couples tend to date for much shorter period of time and get married fairly quickly. It doesn’t shock me – they probably are eager to start a physical relationship and become willing to do anything to achieve it! The problem is that a lot of them find themselves trapped in marriages that lack chemistry, are fundamentally flawed or, worse, abusive. My parents raised me with strong ideas about sex (wait till you’re older) and relationships, but they would never suggest courting as a solution. There’s just something so…creepy about the whole thing.
It’s not just rushed because of sex. There is no role for a woman who’s adult but unmarried. Her options are to continue living with her parents in the same role she had as a teen or to find someone to marry. Boys get some additional options – they usually learn some sort of trade, there are opportunities to leave the nest like missionary work, and it’s a lot more feasible for them to find girlfriends and quietly adopt more moderate Christian lifestyles. That means there’s a lot of competition for the young men who are willing to engage in courtship, and some women know on their wedding day that they’re not particularly engaged with their husbands.
I like the Duggars. I meet the family years ago at an event and they were very sweet. Even when the kids were away from their parents, the spoke very well and respectfully with adults. One comment though….. All their children pass the GED test for”graduation”. I don’t think saying their academic standards are lacking is fair. This is a common choice for the youth today, homeschooled or not. While they surely focus on academics outside of the norm, their education must be rounded enough to pass the state test.
It’s worth noting that most homeschoolers do not take the GED; they graduate like other high schoolers. But to do that you have to pass an evaluation. It’s no surprise that they opt for the GED, but it does disqualify the kids from attending some colleges and receiving certain scholarships.
It’s doubtful that they would want their kids to go to a legit university — especially their daughters. The risk would be too high for them to develop opinions and thoughts outside of what they’ve been brainwashed to believe.
I am disappointed by that too, but I am happy to see one of the girls is at least maarying someone with a college education. It is certainly not a gurantee that her husband will end up more open minded than her father, but I believe it at least increases the possibility.
there’s a reason they were very “sweet”. Gothardism doesn’t allow for children to display anything but sweetness, happiness and compliance.
Ugh.
My home schooled children are registered with a state approved organization that issues diplomas. In our group of over 100 local families not a single one has gone the GED route. Our kids compete for scholarships, do dual-enrollment though local colleges and most get 80%+ scholarship for four year colleges. In a vast majority of home school groups GED’s are frowned upon. Only the “fringers” (what we call them) do that. The ones who don’t encourage academics, and usually use some sort of bible based curriculum. We home school for an academic advantage, not to stifle science and prepare my kids for a life of serving Jesus.
What these people do is disturbing because there is NO value on education. While the children are well spoken they are unable to think for themselves or fight for their own dignity. They push the ideal that women are servants of the Lord and the husband and men are to be revered regardless of their righteousness. I was happy to see the two girls are getting midwife training. I think giving them that outlet will at least set a different path for them. Working outside of the home and continuing your education (even a trade) has a huge impact on a person.
I am so on the fence about the Duggars. On the one hand I think they seem like a nice family. On the other hand I don’t think it is fair that they were home schooled and more like nannies to their younger siblings then sisters. I don’t know. As long as they are happy I guess. I hope he treats her more like an equal then his servant. Only time will tell. Good luck to both of them.
I’m most excited that he’s actually college educated! Maybe that means whe he “does the numbers,” he’ll realize 19 kids just aren’t for them!
You know, I cant say anything bad…they look happy and well adjusted.
I am happy they are free from babysitting now. Go enjoy your freedom.
The two girls have great hair. I’m so jealous.
it looks like he quickly graduated from just holding hands to fondling the muscle of the outer upper arm. Sexy!!!
I saw that too. Bet there’s going to have to be a shotgun wedding now. You know babies are one step away from arm fondling.
I grew up around lots of people who read the same books the Duggars did about courtship. So far, the divorce rate has been about 80%, despite the strong stigma against it. Hopefully the Duggar daughters will use the next few years to establish themselves a bit beyond their family’s constraints – there’s not a lot of room in their current circles for women who are neither virgins nor wives.
I’m not surprised by the high divorce rate, as they are forced to marry boys they have never been alone with. I share your wish for the Duggar girls, but I have very little hope for their futures.
Eh. I’m happy for them if they’re both happy and are comfortable with the parameters set in place. Not everyone’s relationships and stories have to follow the same path and though this type of courtship with any man I love wouldn’t personally work for me, we can hardly pretend that our hedonistic, oversexed view of what’s “healthy” in modern society contributes to everlasting marriages! *See divorce rates*
If it all works for them as adults and they’re now able to take control of their own relationship outside the strict rules/hovering/over-involvement of her parents (all the parental control for grown women and men is what bothers me), good for them.
How are they going to do that? They have grown up believing they are less than men, and are going from the control of one man who believes that to the control of another who believes it. You don’t seriously think they had any choice in the matter, do you?
Poor Jana.
Thank you for discussing the cultish ATI gothard group, and Bill Gothard’s long overdue fall from grace. His victims have been sharing their stories bravely at Recovering grace dot com, and there will be many more stories to come.
That’s the thing that I’m confused about–CO$ gets (rightly) skewered around here but this cult gets a free pass from some commenters because the girls look “happy”??
And the parents seem “nice?” I swear, I could just scream. I guess escapism can be really stupid, too.
The women are taught (or forced) not to have sex before marriage, and therefore they must be “nice”. It’s the same crap that so many people who defend Twilight use. The one and only thing that matters is that girls don’t have sex before marriage. Abuse is fine, before and after marriage. Rape after marriage is fine — or impossible, because men own women and how can you rape what you own?
It’s a sick, twisted, stunted, oppressive subculture that runs on misogyny. It should be treated like Scientology — or worse — but it took a long time for Scientology to be seen as the horrible cult it is too.
@ The OriginalKitten I think they’ve become crooks that live off the states dime for health care for their HUGE family and egomaniacs who can’t share their table, food or home with an adopted child who needs a loving home.
The more I hear about this Gothard guy and reading Jenna’s story above, the more the Duggars creep me out. I feel for those children but the girls especially.
ETA. Oh God, I just clicked on the link about Purity Balls. Going to vomit now.
It’s worse than just the Gothardism. In their earlier years, the Duggars endorsed two foul excrescences named Michael and Debit (misspelling deliberate) Pearl, whose book “To Train Up A Child” advocates “switching” children as young as 4 months old. Their book has been linked to the deaths of 3 children-Sean Paddock, Lydia Schatz and Hana Williams-whose parents applied the teachings in this book. The Duggars have tried to disassociate themselves from both Gothard and the Pearls. However, a glance at the Duggars’ website oni the internet wayback machine circa 2006-2007 shows links to both Gothard’s ATI and the Pearls webside, No Greater Joy. Given that both Gothard and the Pearls are businesspeople, does anyone think they’d allow outsiders to poach on their bandwidth. It pisses me off that the Duggars try to deny any connection to Gothard when they’re always in attendance at one or more of his events, and when most of their older children, most recently Josiah, have been sent to one of his brainwashing centers.
Gothards’s teachings are IMO not only abusive but a subtle form of slavery. More sites need to be talking about this man and his views on women & children especially. Thanks CB for talking about it.
This is a cult, predicated on the exploitation and abuse of girls and women. This needs to be talked about more.
Eh, if that is their choice to save physical intimacy for marriage, good for them. If one of the kids wanted to defect, rebel, whatever, I’m sure they could. It isnt’ what I would choose but oh well.
I really hope she is studying to be a CNM and not a CPM or worse, lay midwife. The state of homebirth midwifery in the US is an absolute mess.
Their choice? Have you read any of the posts on this thread? They HAVE NO CHOICE. In what they do, who they are friends with, how they are “educated,” what they do for a living, who they marry. They are expected to marry someone their father chooses, with whom they have never been alone. How is that “their choice?”
This couple looks so genuine and sweet, and more comfortable with one another than the other Duggar sister who’s engaged…..but a part of me is thinking – wait a min, he approached her dad because he admires the way this family is run?! Creepy.
Wrong spot
Re: Bill Gothard. A religious fundamentalist who is also a flaming hypocrite? Surely not!
No wonder they marry so young. It’s the only way to get release of that pent up energy.
Marriage or no touchie.
Her boyfriend looks like he’s sitting with a serious kick-stand. (some of you know what I mean). He’s eyes are about to pop out of his head from the restraint.
And what happens if you are sickened by your husband by age 21 cause you married while horney at age 18? I guess they just are stuck with each other after that.
Side note: they are definantly NOT making their own clothes or thrift store shopping anymore. Wealthy still getting free health care on the states dime.
Crooks.
One of his eyes is ginger than the other…thyroid problems?
I have learned not to judge the Duggars (at least about the courting thing) though I do think the whole courting vs. dating thing is really weird. My very good friend did the same thing when she was dating her boyfriend. No sex, no holding of hands (that I know of) and no kissing until the wedding ceremony. She was not at all pressured by her family since she wasn’t even raised that way (she isn’t very close to her family to begin with), she became very religious in college and got into a group of conservative and religious friends in college who pretty much all adhered to the same rules before getting married (and yes they all got married very young. I was the only unwed bridesmaid at the wedding, one had a baby and another was pregnant). This was her choice and she and her now husband both decided they wanted do this. I thought it was really weird but she is incredibly happy now and I’m happy for her. It works for some people but not for everone.
Jill’s future husband looks like a nice guy. I’m kind of hoping since he is from a family with only one other sibling that maybe he’ll encourage Jill to not abuse her uterus the way her mother did. That if she doesn’t decide to have 15+ kids, that that is okay too. I just want one of these kids to realize they don’t necessarily have to do everything the way their parents do things.
They are trained from birth to obey. Read To Train Up A Child, by Michael Pearl. That is what the Duggars live by. Those babies are blanket trained as infants, by being smacked until they stay put on the blanket. Of course, they don’t show that on tv.
Is she wearing a helmet?