Prince William’s new job is a ‘PR stunt’ to be seen as ‘normal’, says Ken Wharfe


Do you guys remember Ken Wharfe? Wharfe was a protection officer assigned to Princess Diana in the later years (before she completely rejected royal protection). Allegedly, Wharfe and Diana were tight and she confided in him. After she died, he wrote a few books about her and since then, he’s been a pariah amongst the royal family and the royalists. Nowadays, he writes columns for The Guardian and…?? I’m not sure what else. He comments publicly when there’s a big royal story sometimes, and I believe he’s the one who said that then-Kate Middleton needed to have her own bodyguards when she was just a royal girlfriend. Wharfe’s latest Guardian column is all about Prince William’s new job as an air ambulance pilot and how the royals play at being normal. Some highlights:

After a £4.5m refit to his London Kensington pad and a meagre £1.5m touch-up to Anmer Hall (his wedding gift from the Queen), Prince William – with royal duties on the slide, and possibly a guilt complex to boot – has volunteered his services as an air ambulance helicopter pilot, free of charge, with the salary going to charity.

What next? Will Prince Harry buy out his mate Guy Pelly and open up London’s aristo nightclub taverns, with free entrance and booze for the underprivileged, packing the revellers off with free food parcels for their journey home?.

William’s new job is the latest PR stunt from the royal advisers, coupled with the prince’s own quest to be seen to be “normal”. But to take the controls of an air ambulance hovering above a busy street and then land to evacuate your patient to hospital is, I suggest, a task far from normal. This type of incident, uncommon in daily life, attracts crowds, and upon learning that Chopper Wales is at the controls, the risk of onlookers in search of the perfect selfie could seriously jeopardise a safe takeoff.

William and his wife, with brother Harry, have all declared their “brand”, and brands need feeding. Once again, it seems, the sycophantic corps of advisers they employ has not properly researched William’s I-want-to be-normal idea. “I think it’s a marvellous idea, Your Royal Highness, the public will love it,” was almost certainly the reaction he expected, and the one they supplied.

With rare exceptions, members of royalty always do what they want. William would not for one royal moment have thought that “flying for free” above the Norfolk countryside rescuing the injured serfs below was even worthy of a constructive comment. His thinking will have gone: “I am a future king, and can help the people. What’s better than that?”

He will have failed to observe the age of his grandparents, and indeed of his own father, and the clear message from the Queen: “We are getting old – your time has come.”

Leave these specialist posts to the experts. Prince Charles, after leaving his ship, Bronington, didn’t make any overtures to become the coxswain of the Cromer lifeboat. The Queen, with her wartime attachment in the army, made no serious requests to become the curator of the Army Transport Museum after her accession to the throne.

William, his wife and his brother are experts in the field of royalty, and however much they display their loom bands, they are not normal. He should listen to his grandmother, get out there, use his position and raise money for his charities in a royal way – and not rely on stunts seemingly encouraged by sycophants.

[From The Guardian]

Burn. But he’s dead right. William wants to play at being normal but still have all of the rights and privileges of being royal. He’s going to spend all of this time and money training for a job that he’ll only have for a couple of years and then he’ll be trying to think up some new scheme to avoid being a full-time royal. And what’s the point? William could do a lot more by raising money for the causes he cares about, by drawing awareness and press to problems in his country and around the world. But he doesn’t want to and the “sycophants” around him aren’t telling him to change his course at all.


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  1. GiGi says:

    Dead on.

    And… as an aside… have you all seen the pic of Harry holding a baby from this past weekend? Ovaries exploding.

    It’s at the bottom of the top post:

  2. Jules says:

    Maybe William and Kate will serve a purpose……….the useless lazy couple that will end this welfare farce of a royal family.

    • MinnFinn says:

      That’s the logical conclusion, right? But supposedly W&K continue to be the most popular in all the UK polls about the BRF and there is very little support for a republic.

      There are also a few things about the new job no one seems to have addressed. Media reports his work schedule as 1st and 2nd shift only, leaving him entirely off the worst shift of all, the overnight graveyard shift. That’s entirely too much royal privilege. Creating a job for him was enough already.

      Also, what is the bottom line about an RPO flying with him. Will RPO replace a medic or be an additional person on board? If the latter, what is the estimated extra fuel cost and carbon footprint for adding about 200 pounds to each of Willy’s missions?

      • Chameleon says:

        There is always the assumption that William actually wants to work at all.
        When he hold his job in the army he didn’t do enough flying hours to keep his wings. So he skipped his job so often he basically had to quit else he would have become a flying safety hazard.
        I think he will continue to skip his duties on his next post as an ambulance pilot, too. Also that is why they won’t pay him: they expect him to be absent frequently.

        Skipping out of night shifts is the result of a dirt cheap trick: pulling royal rank. Somebody else will have to do more night shifts as William won’t do any. I pity the poor souls who have to do more night shifts than usual becaus Prince Wimbim doesn’t want to do nightshifts.

        From my point of view William should PAY the air ambulance service for being taken on a pilot.

        This looks like an episode of “Cabin Pressure” – find it on youtube.

      • Feeshalori says:

        Excellent idea, Chameleon! The charity needs money more than he does, so if he wants to indulge his hobby he should pay them for the privilege of a job.

      • FLORC says:

        Working in health care the “graveyard shift” is awful And 1st and 2nd shifts are often reserved for those who have proven themselves. New employees have to earn such luxuries.

        Regarding the RPO. There’s only so much weight and room allowed to be taken. An extra RPO would eat valuable space and cause more weight. If the RPO is trained as a paramedic it’s still not great. Their priority is always William and not the one who’s critically and currently wounded. They are secondary.

        And polls are never a good judge. So easily manipulated.

      • Feeshalori says:

        Based on your comment about the RPO, FLORC, this is so self-indulgent of William that it just boggles the mind.

  3. Talie says:

    The Queen or Charles should have shot his request down. The only thing I can think is that Charles still has vanity issues and likes his older son benched.

    • We Are All Made of Stars says:

      Maybe he wants his own kid to be happy?

    • maybeiamcrazy says:

      Maybe they don’t see anything wrong with what Will does. Many heirs had done what Will is doing ( not ‘working’ that is). But in this age, monarchy has to justify their existence. Although British people love their monarchy, it is a really fickle situation. They need to be careful with it.

    • notasugarhere says:

      I don’t think either of them has the ability to deal with him. HM plays ostrich, Charles looks at his eldest and sees the same emotional roller coaster he couldn’t handle with Diana.

      • someone says:

        I wonder if Will did inherit the drama gene from Diana. It would be interesting to know if he is an (as you put it) “emotional roller coaster” like Diana and no one talks about it.

      • Chris says:

        How very interesting… would explain, to me, why Charles may not be so keen to attempt guidance/kick in pants with this reluctant man.

      • maybeiamcrazy says:

        You know what I think? He plays Diana card to his family as much as he plays it to the public. Whenever he is not treated like the future king that he is, he reminds them Diana. Can you think a better way to shut Charles up? If he does that then he really sucks as a person. I always defend him when it comes to Diana’s death and his way of mourning. But if, 20 years later, I read in a book that he manipulates his family with this I will be sure that he is a selfish ass.

      • Dame Snarkweek says:

        Completely disagree here. Will has been described as stubborn, arch, demanding and set in his ways but Will as an emotional rollercoaster has never really been put out there.
        It is second nature to view the rf and their actions/motives through a highly personalized lens but I think we forget the fact that these relics do not and never will think or behave quite like the rest of us.
        Very likely Charles is quite pleased and feels his children are both living the lives they want. Nicholl insists that Charles actually encouraged William to take a step back and keep his eye on more than just the throne. please remember that these people are surrounded by people who tell them all their ideas are brilliant – that plus the fact that they do not care what we think.

      • FLORC says:

        Agree with Dame
        William took after Charles in temper. Harry took more from Diana, but he doens’t seem like an emotional rollercoaster. Now that I think about it. Did Harry get the best from both parents? Spencer hair, skin, charisma, compation, Charles sense of duty and quick thinking charisma. Sure he parties, but when it’s time to work he’s on point and shows up for the grunt work.

      • AM says:

        I maintain that overall, Harry is the best of his parents and William is the worst.

        Agreed that they are surrounded by sycophants. And it never occurs to them, unless they are in a fit, that everyone they choose to associate with is so obliging because of the benefits of being associated with royalty.

      • notasugarhere says:

        @FLORC @AM. “I maintain that overall, Harry is the best of his parents and William is the worst.” Agreed. IMO Harry got his mother’s compassion and EQ and the POW’s commitment to duty. William got the drama gene from both Charles and Diana.

        My opinion: I said emotional roller coaster and that’s what I meant. I’ve watched him for three decades and I do not see a stable, emotionally even-keeled individual in his actions.

      • FLORC says:

        I’ve seen William described as 2 ways for purposes of this discussion. Petulant child and emotional rollercoaster. I think he’s more of a stunt petulant child.
        Was it Channing Tatum that said something to the like of the age you become famous is when you stop maturing. It rings true to many and is a sound theory imo.
        William hit his fame as a young teen and had people letting him act as he pleased even longer. He isn’t showing me highs and lows. More spoiled, entitled beheavior and anger when he isn’t satisfied. Not the same as Diana having highs and lows emotionally or her self harm tendencies. Also, when she did that while with Charles her mood and behavior was said to be for attention and revenge at him. William, again does not fit this for me. Still strikes me as immature and unwilling to take on his adult role in life. Still wishes to be as care free and catered to as a child would.
        How that sound? Or did I drift off point? I think I may have slightly.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Not off point at all FLORC, just differing opinions. Your opinion is he isn’t one, my opinion is that he IS an emotional roller coaster (in addition to being those other things you mentioned – immature, spoiled, entitled, etc). As an example, imo the press paranoia goes beyond that. Both W and H despise the press, but only William appears paranoid about them. I think he needs extensive counseling to try to get him to an even keel, but would ignore whatever advice the counselor gave.

      • Dame Snarkweek says:

        Great analysis.

      • FLORC says:


        William and Harry without a doubt grieve differently. Still, I think it was established William had these qualities as a toddler and young child. He had outbursts and entitlement issues. Harry being the opposite. And of course this is all highlighted by Diana famously saying Harry had the temperment to be Good King Henry/Harry.
        My point is William may have been a bit screwed up over the passing of his mother, but he was pretty much established to be like this when his mother was around and they were still a family.
        At the end of the day we can only speculate.

        And the press paranoia. The press is more something he can’t control. His OTT privacy demands might be the way around them. Remember when he tried to censor the press and bully a DM reporter into writing more flattering articles? They’re not invading his privacy. They’re simply doing their jobs and reporting news that isn’t flattering in his opinion.

        Thanks Dame!

      • notasugarhere says:

        FLORC, that is what I mean, looking at those established qualities seen starting when they were so young. I see one who has the ability to cope in this world (Harry) and one who doesn’t (William).

        I think there is more at work here than “nurture” and more likely related to “nature.” Harry hates the press and says bitchy things he shouldn’t say, William’s behavior goes far, far beyond that. To me, this isn’t William throwing simple temper tantrums like he did when he was little. It is beyond being “a bit screwed up” over his mother’s death.

    • Dena says:

      Or perhaps Charles doesn’t want Will to be conflicted and/or to have a permanent case of the walsie-walsie-woo-woos when it becomes his turn to permanently serve. Meaning that when it is Will’a turn to serve, he won’t / can’t have any complaints about not having had a childhood, a private life or personal interests. He can’t turn to bitterness and say “this thing has subsumed my entire life.” In that way, I can imagine PC supporting & encouraging Will. A bitter AND petulant soveriegn just won’t due😩.

      It’s ironic that u can literally have everything yet nothing of your “own”. Will is probably the type of person who (rich or poor, balding with bad teeth, or with lush lockes and pearly teeth) needed (needs) much more direction in his life than independence.

      But for the record, I think William is perpetuating one big dodge after the other. It’s just one-big long con.

      On 1st pic, Kate’s smile reads “I’m with the band.”

      • Dame Snarkweek says:

        Well said and very logical. Your last sentence was awesome.

      • FLORC says:

        You make a good point Dena.
        It reminds me of the Diana/Kate theory too.
        Kate is given freedom and no pressure from the palace. She will not ever be pressured. Should there be a divorce she can never claim the BRF drove her marriage into the ground or controlled her whole life.

        I think everyone is thinking about the long term and William and Kate are thinking short term and as it comes.

      • AM says:

        I agree, but when does it end? William is well into his 30s now.

      • Dena says:

        Thanks @Dame.

        @ Florc – never thought about extending that to Kate. Good call.

        @AM – IMO, William / Kate will ride it until the wheels fall off. Why not? I’m not condoning their behavior. As a matter of fact, I half-ass comment at CB about them because W/K kind of disgust me.

        But what I think is that when you don’t have a “moral compass” around stuff or feel compelled to be any better than you have to be or even when their isn’t an internal push to develop some aspect of yourself or to engage in work you enjoy, then you become ideal–and that’s not good. William has accommodated himself to living in a gilded cage. It’s all he knows and it’s all Kate (from what it looks like) seems to aspire to. So to me, it seems highly unlikely that either of them will suddenly wake up (in the near future) and say . . .

        “Damn, I am a 35-year old lay-about. What have I personally accomplished on my own? For me? What have I done to make the world a better place? Cause really I could. I mean . . . just look around . . . My position is so grand that I don’t even have to have certain doors opened for me to accomplish things. Hell, as a matter of fact, when I stand up, servants are running to literally open doors for me–my shit is just that good. Not everyone has it this easy. What can I do to help?”

        He doesn’t have the personal context for that. He’s been allowed or encouraged to be a victim of his own privilege and personal background, IMO. She, in turn, is too much of a sycophant and doesn’t seem to have any aspirations outside of being with him.

        In her defense, and I hate staying those words, I get that she “should be” impressed with her “victory.” I get that she is hung over the moon with it. After all, she has entered a world of obscene wealth and privilege. Who wouldn’t suck it up? Who wouldn’t practice ringing the little bell to summon servants? Or referring to oneself in the plural we? “We are not pleased.” However, if you are the type of person who had something going for yourself outside of that, then your natural personality and personal interests and ambitions (outside of shopping) would shine through. She like has no experience, it seems, outside of the context of him and family. How do you get to be 30+ with that being the sum of your existence?

      • Pippa M says:

        FLORC Notsosugar;
        +1M correct.

        And “why do we want someone this unstable for a king to GB UK and Commonwealth and his hangers on muddletons in laws to ruin the House Firm of Windsor and HM PPhilip qnd PC Tradition is a waste!

        . Retire Willnot line, King Harry ! Quit using (ax payers $iioms on those two workless uindeserving Will and Waity Cannot. Miooolns ob renovations and security fr nothing notable for the people HM and th RF. Get rid of costly securityg.
        Other heirs may be rotten but by 30 they get better responsible and mature to the monarch or at least pretend.

    • hannah says:

      I think it’s more likely that the Queen is the Queen , with the job of a head of state and Prince Charles is the Prince of Wales with all its responsibilities and William is Prince William with no real role as of yet . Pretty much all that is left for him is the shake hands and smile role and that has to be boring as hell . I’d be looking for something to do too .

      • Dame Snarkweek says:

        Lol this. I don’t blame William in the least, but I think he is using the wrong venue. That plus the indulgent KP reno was just ridiculous in light of the fact that they would be moving to the countryside.

      • LAK says:

        Hannah: the ‘POW’ title doesn’t come with any responsibility whatsoever except to be the next heir. Like William is right now, but with a better title.

        Charles is the only POW in history who has turned his ‘wait’ into substance. The others all simply partied and vacationed and got into all sorts of adventures whilst they waited. William is following in a long tradition…..

        And just because Charles made his wait meaningful, instead of partying and vacationing like previous POWs, there is no reason to believe that William, once POW, will also do something meaningful with it. He is not exactly doing anything with his current one, so why do people think he will do anything with the next one he receives?

        Or are the people of Cambridge, Strathearn and Carrickfergus not worthy of consideration right now?

        Come to think of it, what did he do for the people of Wales when he was based there considering he is a future POW?

      • FLORC says:

        William just needs to find a passion that he enjoys and supports. Right now he loves flying helicopters, but he doesn’t support it. It’s an outlet, but not passionate enough to give more of his freetime for fundraising. Charles enjoyed gardening and supported it. Even at a time when it was an uphill battle. Harry has this as well with his veterans work. Eugenie has continued to support the hospital that did her spinal surgery and frequents back for quiet day long visits.
        William needs to figure this out.

      • Chris says:

        But along with the Prince of Wales’ feathers there’s the motto ‘Ich Dien’…..I serve. (Maybe all the others but Chazza understood that as ‘I dine’?!)

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Not to seem pendantic, but shouldn’t the motto say: “Ich diene”?

        Do you know where this motto originate from. The German make me suspect the Hannovers.

  4. Abbott says:

    Ohhhh BURN. Someone call the burn center! Does anyone know an air ambulance- nevermind.

  5. Loopy says:

    Lol they like playing ‘normal’

    • FLORC says:

      All well and good. If thy want to have privacy and be normal they can and should. What they’re insulting the public by doing is “playing normal”.
      It’s not right and why there isn’t more of an uproar, I have no idea.
      Especially for this latest job taking up 2 full time jobs for 1 part time William

      • Loopy says:

        What do you mean TWO full time jobs?

      • ArtHistorian says:

        I believe that is because one of Williams RPO’s supposedly will fly with him instead of a trained paramedic. I don’t know if this is fully confirmed, but there was a newsbite about his RPO’s getting more comprehensive medic training. The question remains: will this be just as good as a fully trained and experienced paramedic? And will such a set-up be in the patient’s best interest? Finally, will such a set-up open the air ambulence service to liability if something goes wrong on one of William’s flights?

        There’s a lot of unanswered questions. I believe that people should question whether Williams desire to play at being “normal” in such a manner is in the best interests of the patients of the service rather than if it will be in the best interest of Prince William, yet nobody seems to have asked questions like these yet?

      • FLORC says:

        Right ArtHistory

        I’ve looked around. It’s info that is out there, but i’m waiting for the official confirmation.

      • LNG says:

        I have only seen speculation that an RPO would be with him in the air ambulance, no confirmation from anyone who would know. I honestly highly doubt that this will be the case, unless they get an RPO who is trained and certified as a paramedic (or there is room without moving out one of the necessary medics). If there were not enough medics on board due to an RPO being on the flight and patient care was compromised the air ambulance service would be opening itself up to liability.

        Did RPOs fly with him on search and rescue flights?

      • notasugarhere says:

        “The job’s a departure for the prince and for those charged with protecting him. His bodyguards already receive paramedic training. The training will be upgraded for those officers who will fly with William to ensure that in a small helicopter everyone can offer assistance.”

        There are also rumors that a new, larger helicopter was purchased for EAAA (by HM? Charles?) to make room for the RPOs. If that helicopter was appropriate for the service, they would already have one. They need to be able to fit into the smallest of landing spaces, and this new helicopter will be a problem as it is too big for the job. Will William be the only one allowed to fly this one?

      • FLORC says:

        Intersting thought Notasugar and ty for the link. Even when typing (dot) I find myself emailing the site to dig my comment out from the spam filter.

        If this helicopter is not a rumor it raises even more questions from me. What happens to it when William leaves? Will it be retired, donated, or will it be offered to the service for purchase to regain the funds spent on it at a slightly discounted price?

        On 1 hand if this helicopter was appropriate it might have been seen as too great an expense, but is better for the service provided. Although I would question landing scenerios and fuel and operating cost.. Landing in the helipad isn’t as much of a concern as landing at the scene of an accident. Sometimes you get taken to a hospital to be loaded to a helicopter. Sometimes they must land in a nearby field. It’s random and does vary greatly by size of the craft. These are variables that go both ways. I can only say the larger the craft the more money is needed to operate it. Fuel alone will be too much.
        Maybe in cases where multiple people needed airlifting would it be worth it, but that could be as likely as 1 out of every 20 ranging from rural to city.

        The costs can’t be justified until it’s had some time of service.

    • Talie says:

      If that’s the case, he and Kate should move into a modest little house like all the rest of the little people have and then he can really be of the people. This whole episode really makes me dislike them and I always defended them… ugh

  6. FLORC says:

    Why William couldn’t simply promote the hell out of air ambulance charities i’ll never know. He could fly them from time to time for fundraising.
    Instead he’ll not only take a part time pilot job, but his RPO will take a paramedics job as well.
    Why must it be all or nothing? Can’t he do this part time and fit in his royal duties? Harry does it well.

    And I do wonder if months from now we’ll hear Kate (again) tell us William was said to be spending family time, but wasn’t actually around his family at all.

  7. Lucy2 says:

    I just don’t get the fascination with how these people spend every waking moment.

    • FLORC says:

      Think of it like checks and balances. The people are making sure the power of the royals isn’t being abused. These aren’t just people out of the public eye. They’re public figures that represent the commonwealth and get paid well for it.

      For William to receive this and refuse to do anything for it is abuse of his station.
      And it’s not every waking moment. It’s more towards money, how they spend when not on duty, and why they’re still taking, but refusing to work.

      Do not mistake them for a celebrity couple.

  8. Chris says:

    The discussion t’other day re the royal jewellery hoard made me reflect that there may be a downside to this apparent yen for normal-status.
    If they’re really so very normal, then you or I could do the job. There’s a fine line to tread here; doubtless other royal families could serve as examples of how to remain in a special niche in society without needing to dress down, as it were.

    • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

      Good point, Chris. Maybe “normal” isn’t what we want in our royalty. Maybe we want them grounded and in touch with the real world, but still glamorous and wearing some kiss-a** jewelry, dammit.

      And it’s fake. They’re NOT living under “normal” circumstances, and we aren’t stupid.

      • FLORC says:

        Wasn’t this the point of King back in the day. A King would receive the best health and care, educations and accomidations. He would receive this because he had to be better than everyone to know what the people needed. To care for many on a grand scale. He was far from normal and this was a blessing and a curse.

        This ofcourse then falls to abdicating. You either serve your people while they slave away to support you or step aside so someone who will actually help gets the role. Then again, this post and reason has been heavily corrupted. Still, I think that was the pure theory of the time.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        LOL, I meant “kick-ass” jewelry…

      • wolfpup says:

        We know exactly what you meant, GoodNames, and that we don’t see the outrageous and outstanding, is a crying shame! Maybe they’ll trot it out, like they do George, when they need good press.

      • notasugarhere says:

        To FLORC’s point, different versions of the quote from Luke.

        “When someone has been given much, much will be required in return; and when someone has been entrusted with much, even more will be required.”

        “For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”

      • Dara says:

        @GNAT – I think I like your original kiss-a$$ version better! After all, most of the really spectactular stuff belongs to the Queen and I’m sure someone has to ‘ask permission’ in order to wear it… maybe it’s a sliding scale, the more bowing/scraping/groveling you do, the more carats are tossed your way.

      • FLORC says:

        Thank you for those quotes! It makes sense. You’re not just born into that life and exist so people canpay for everything with nothing in return. There’s duty and he should take some honor or pride in that.

      • Dara says:

        @notasugarhere – perfect quote.

        I don’t begrudge anyone for the gifts (intellect, looks, talent) or privileges (family connections, premier education, wealth) they’ve been given – unless they squander them.

      • wolfpup says:

        Emperors, Kings, and Queens, thru the ages, had very definite jobs. In a literal way, their “administrative” job was how they earned loyalty and thus their keep.

        (unless I’m wrong for some reason, and the Dolittle’s are the norm).

    • Dany says:

      I once asked an old german aristocrat why they react so bitchy when someone of them marries a non-aristocrat or royals marry their commoner brides. He said that they have to be seen as superior. A King rules over his subjects because they see him as superior. Royals aren´t smarter or better human beings. All they have is their prestige and family tree. Means a King should never marry one of the subjects he rules over because that cheapens the whole point of royalty. They lose their right to be superior when they mix with “normal people”.
      He also told me that there will come the day when british people think about it and ask why they should bow before a King who is the grandson of a coal miner or party stuff seller when they are also descended from coal miners etc. When there is no difference between King ans subject the monarachy is irrelevant (as it should be today).

      • Chris says:

        Oh I think those days are long gone …..surely nobody actually thinks royal or noble bliod is inherently superior.
        It’s simply a suspension of disbelief on the part of subjects, agreeing that one family be set apart for mainly ceremonial and symbolic purposes, and having their line traceable through many centuries, even tenuously, adds to this symbolic power, linking them to a shared history. We no longer believe in Thr King’s Touch nor in Divine Right, and count ourselves their equals in all essentials. We’re paying them to be our figureheads but not our exemplars.

  9. birdie says:

    I think for a while it was nice to see that he wants to keep it “normal”. The thing is, there is nothing normal about him, his life and it will never be. He seems to not enjoy his royals duties and keeps doing these things to avoid his future. It’s just ridiculous now. If you don’t want to become King then don’t!

  10. Anaya says:

    Prince William seems to be stubborn so I doubt he would listen to anyone else’s advice that isn’t exactly what he wants to hear. Also William shouldn’t have to be advised by now in this situation. He knows what is ultimately expected of him but he’s so reluctant to accept his reality. You know, all the signs are there. If he doesn’t want this prince/king job then say so. Be a man, speak your truth and get out of the line of succession. He has money to take care of himself, Kate, and George. He has a choice in this life. Perhaps it won’t be an applauded popular choice to some but he can get out of this if he chooses to. Sorry but I’m feeling like William is BSing around.

    • Christin says:

      It does appear to be a game. And I agree with what this man said. When the newest temporary job was announced, one of my first thoughts (other than wondering how quickly it will dissolve into nothing) was to wonder how practical it is for the people needing the assistance. When every second counts, do you really want the likely distractions caused not only by extra onlookers, but of the security that will undoubtedly have to accompany him.

      While someone is in need of assistance, he or she does not need half-hearted or distracted crew members.

    • Mireille says:

      I agree with everything you say. William doesn’t want to be king, but he DOES want the perks, the accolades, the deference allotted to him that comes from being heir to the throne. He’s not giving that up anytime soon.

  11. GoodNamesAllTaken says:

    He’s exactly right. William’s “job” is a stunt, selfish and self-indulgent. He may be donating the salary to a charity, but he’s taking a position that could be filled by someone who has trained for this as a career and needs the money. His presence will be a distraction and perhaps even a danger to his coworkers. He is such a disappointment. Spoiled, silly man.

    • FLORC says:

      Don’t forget his RPO that will fly with William and take the place of a paramedic on board.
      So, that’s more like 2 fulltime roles for 1 part time William.

      The salary bit is silly. If he must have taken a salary i’m reading it could have been a minimal token amount. Instead it’s a full salary. He’ll have some fun and get to say he donated x amount to charity, when really he’s taking more than he’s giving back.

      No kindness for Will today.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        No kindness today, at all.

      • bluhare says:

        I don’t get the RPO on board thing. An RPO isn’t going to help if the bloody thing gets shot down. He would be surrounded by police and fire at an accident, right? Did he have one when he flew for search and rescue?

      • wolfpup says:

        That’s two people on a payroll, for one job. They may think the plebs are stupid, but I think it has to be the other way around.

      • FLORC says:

        It would be rare to happen, but it could. A person who is critically wounded could become violent. They could also be mentally unwell and see it as their duty to attack William. There are many scenerios here. What gets me is a paramedic would be replaced with someone who’s 1st job is to protect William. Not save a person’s life.

        And no clue when he was with S&R. If he wants this life he should go for it! If this makes him happy then awesome! This job isn’t a hobby or play time. You commit to it or it’s not for you. I hope this sparks an uproar and it’s seen for what it is.

    • Beatrice says:

      His salary will go to charity, but he could have raised millions by representing charitable organizations instead of taking a “pretend” job. His quest to be normal is misguided and a thinly veiled attempt to avoid his real life’s work. That goes for his wife, too. He really should look to his mother’s example–she was thoroughly aristocratic, but normal in the sense that she understood suffering (homelessness, AIDS, etc) and used her star power to help people and call attention to important issues.

      • maybeiamcrazy says:

        It is so easy for him to raise millions. He doesn’t need to bust his ass off for pr, he just needs to be there. And bar is so low for W&K that they would be applauded for working 10 hours a week.

      • wolfpup says:

        Millions…millions for the helpless… What a complete A**! I bet that his mother is turning over in her grave. Did he learn nothing? That’s why she was so beloved. And to think that she was only 19 at the gate.

      • AM says:

        William is almost the age his mother was when she died. Think about that. He needs to get it together.

        And I agree, if they got out there 5 days a week during George’s naptime, the public would just be “amazed” at how busy they are.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        Good points, all.

      • Feeshalori says:

        My objection with donating his salary to charity is that he’s “robbing Peter to pay Paul,” as the saying goes. He’s taking from one charity to give to another, when perhaps his employer couldn’t afford to pay him in the first place if this job was created for his indulgence. And if the charity gave William this job when it should have gone to someone who really needed it, shame on him! William should have just accepted a token salary of a pound if he wanted to play Fly Boy and be employed as a rescue pilot. And now with the question of an RPO flying with him, what if this person is taking the place of a needed medic or crewperson on board?

      • FLORC says:

        I’m giving this an educated guess.
        air ambulances generally have 4 to 5 stations. Pillot, Co-pilot, Doctor, and 1 to 2 paramedics. Then there’s the injured party. Everyone on board is there because they pull their weight. It’s a skeleton crew to keep someone alive while rushing to the nearest medical facility when every moment is critical.

        I think someone on twitter brought this up. That if there was a malfunction and there was an RPO on board their only concern would be to grab a parachute, grab william, and jump.

      • Feeshalori says:

        Thanks for breaking down the numbers, FLORC. And if there’s an RPO aboard, it sounds like a conflict of interest if indeed the priority would be William’s safety not those on board in case the helo encounters trouble. If he’s collecting a salary to protect his royal charge, that’s where his loyalty lies. Hooray for me, too bad for you. What a screwed-up mess.

        And you may nickname me Feesh, if you so desire. ;)

      • FLORC says:

        I will use it!
        And stated above by notasugarhere was a rumor HM or someone purchased a larger helicopter to better fit the RPO’s. As of now it might only be a rumor, but we might see it confirmed shortly if true.

  12. Red Snapper says:

    I’m waiting to see how long he can get by with this. More and more the royal press corps seem willing to wonder about his work ethic, but only vaguely, and only on Twitter. It’s only a matter of time before he’s called out on these work avoidance schemes. And, yes, air ambulance pilot is a vauable job and hard work besides, but I don’t think he’s prepared to give his vacations/shooting weekends etc. For example, his training starts in Sept, and he’s just committed to go to a wedding in Italy that month. As you do.

  13. Sixer says:


    Bill, not Ken. That is all.

    • FLORC says:

      If William didn’t have his spin team he would have no fans left.

      • Faye says:

        That and the American fangurl bloggers . . . I can’t even read the royal posts on Go Fug Yourself anymore. That site used to be so snarky and fun, but if you state anything that isn’t fawningly pro-royal, you get deleted or attacked in personal terms by posters, and the fug girls write these panegyrics to the royals including a recent piece on how they can’t understand why ANYONE would have a problem with William’s new job.

      • Sixer says:

        Send them to me, Faye. I have a hide like a rhino and enough Royal bile to sink a website or two. (Not yours, Kaiser!)

      • Faye says:

        @Sixer – After the Fug Girls deleted a post where all I said was I though Kate’s dress was strange (that white dress/coat thing from last week’s WWI event), I’m not even going to bother commenting anymore in those posts. There was a poster named “Anna” who really responded calmly and logically in the post about William’s job (I wonder if she’s here), and she just got ripped to pieces. But I appreciate your spirit!

      • LAK says:

        I occasionally read the fan blogs to see what new excuses have been thought up in order to explain the latest disappointment.

        It’s entertaining to some extent because the fans do come up with more and more convoluted explanations for every little thing.

        There is one post that HRHDUCHESS Kate blog put up where she expressed disappointment in WK and her readers nearly had a collective heart attack, so great was the hand wringing and confusion and having to acknowledge that yes, WK weren’t the shiniest examples of royalhood, but when she apologised for it in her next post, without removing the negative one, the collective sigh of relief could probably be heard from space. And then patted her with comments that strongly suggested that she’d had a momentary insanity to even think such thoughts of WK.

      • Faye says:

        @LAK – I went to that blog for the first time today (clicked on a link someone posted in this thread), and I can’t help wondering if it’s really subtle, masterfully misdirected shade. Take the first post on the page – all about the tons of shopping Kate does at some center of designer outlets, and at Ralph Lauren, and at Gucci. They quote people who saw here there and salespeople who see her “all the time.” Now they frame it in nice terms, like “Oh, Kate is so wonderful and friendly!,” but the takeaway of the story is that Kate is constantly out shopping. Probably just wishful thinking, but I’d love it if they did that type of writing on purpose.

      • FLORC says:

        I’ve wondered this too. Although, i’m terrible at subtle text. And some big fans of Kate truly believe she can do no wrong. That she shops all the time is a good thing and her right as a princess to boost the economy.

    • Chris says:

      Oh dear, that really is the perfect word for him these days.
      I dunno what it would take to shake up his ideas at all. Of course he’s seen his father vilified for espousing controversial causes, he’s seen Andrew nip down some very dodgy alleyways, Edward emerge from royal twerp to accepted -as -ok….and of course Harry become the darling of royal watchers despite a few wrong turns…..he seems truly bewildered about which way is up, given his inherently laissez-faire nature.
      He’s the incarnation of that most interesting interpretation of Hamlet’s famous soliloquy: “Should I act as I am expected to, and expend the effort required in embracing my role? Or shall I just carry on like this, since I can get away with it?”

  14. Eleonor says:

    You know when Dita von Teese dress up as a normal girl with blonde wig and fake spray tan for Halloween? William’s normal job is the same.

  15. The Original Mia says:

    I’ve given up trying to point out how this isn’t the altruistic move by William. That it is nothing but a ploy to avoid royal work. I’m repeatedly shot down by royal fans who think I’m being too hard on wee Willy. He’s giving back. No, he’s taking $ and a job from someone who needs it. Charles and the Queen have given their approval. We have no idea if that’s the case. Wee Willy stomps his feet and threatens removal from the line or succession. It’s ridiculous.

  16. kcarp says:

    This isn’t a “normal” job, this is a dangerous job. I can’t believe they keep letting him risk his life so he can appear “normal”.

  17. eliza says:

    This man’s assessment is spot on. Nothing more for me to say. He summed it up to perfection. Well done. Finally, someone with an honest take on William.

  18. Sammi says:

    I don’t understand what all the fuss and venom is about. It will likely be a good half century before William ascends to the throne (if it still exists). He needs a career in the meantime. A career with meaning for him, much like anybody does. He hasn’t said he’ll not do royal events, etc, so what is the problem? As well, he will be donating his salary to charity.

    • bluhare says:

      50 years? Charles is 65. William could ascend the throne any time.

      • Sammi says:

        Yes, my “half-century” calculations were off (math is not my strong suit). Nonetheless, there are great longevity genes in his family so I expect Charles will live into his 90s for sure. Therefore, William needs to have other things to do as he is going to spend the majority of his adulthood NOT being king.

    • maybeiamcrazy says:

      I assume people would go easier on him if he actually worked. It is not the first time Will had a job. Remeber his military ‘career’? That is the main problem. He is taking the job only to not work as a senior royal or as an air ambulance pilot. Thankfully, I am not British therefore not stuck with him as a future king.

    • wolfpup says:

      Sammi, you are saying exactly what the royal spinners say.

    • pleaseicu says:

      Except this outfit William is going to be working for exists on charitable donations. And William’s job didn’t exist in the first place. It had to be created just for him.

      Which means money that was earmarked for something else in the charity’s already strapped budget now doesn’t exist because it had to be moved around to pay for William’s salary. That he’s now going to donate to a *different* charity. A currently unnamed charity.

      A spot on the helicopter that would normally go to a career-trained paramedic/EMT is now going to one of William’s kinda-sorta-emergency-trained RPOs.

      But, yeah, William’s fulfilled and satisfied. For the moment.

    • FLORC says:

      William is taking a fulltime salary for a part time job. A job created for him that didn’t exist before. That means money was rerouted from somewhere else in a service that is already stretched thin. And these donations are essentially a charity paying William to donate. And he can claim he donated x amount of his own money.

      As far as William leading a normal life before he takes the throne. Does that mean he can’t prep in the time leading there? This part time job means he has cut back on all his royal duties, but has a scedule tailored for vacations. Harry has a longer wait to the throne and keeps with work, charities, and duties.
      Lastly, if Kate hadn’t let it slip William was barely around for her and George in his early months of life we would have continued with the press release that William was cutting back on duties to spend more time with Kate and George.

      Saw your post after I posted. Well put.

    • Pandy says:

      I agree. He won’t be on the throne for at least 10 years, so why not be helpful in the meantime and do something you love? That columnist/former bodyguard, Ken? Crusty looking old bugger … he seems to have an agenda.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        How helpful will he be? I think he will be a distraction at best and a danger at worst. He can’t possibly be treated as one of the other guys, he will draw crowds, maybe even assassins, people will be getting in the way trying to look at him, his coworkers will be under pressure to keep him safe, no one will tell him if he stinks at the job, he has to bring a RPO on board with him, he’s taking a job that could be for someone who actually needs the money – meanwhile, he COULD be doing real and meaningful good by doing his royal duties and supporting charities – a role for which he is compensated beyond any of our wildest dreams and actually EARNING the money and perks he already receives. But he’s too spoilt and selfish and immature. He wants to play helicopters.

      • LNG says:

        GoodNames – I have my doubts that someone would arrange to be injured severely enough/injure someone else severely enough to need an air ambulance on the off chance that William will be piloting the air ambulance so they can assassinate him. And even if they would, there are plenty of other opportunities to assassinate him whenever he is performing his public and advertised royal duties, so I don’t really see an increase in risk from the norm here.

        Same goes for drawing crowds – people crowd at the scenes of accidents anyways, but I doubt there would be an appreciable increase in crowds on the off chance that 1) an ambulance will be required and 2) will will be flying it. Anytime an air ambulance is involved it can be safely assumed that police/fire/regular ambulance will be involved too. Its not like he’d be touching down on his own with no one there to create a perimeter to keep crowds (if any) back (which would be done regardless of whether the crowd gathered because of the accident or because they were trying to see william).

        RPO on board: I will await confirmation as to whether this will be the case. If it is, the air ambulance service is attracting liability if they fail to ensure there are adequate medical personnel on board.

        As to whether he should be doing royal duties instead of this, perhaps he should, that is a whole different debate and I think there are good arguments on both sides. However, I do think that it is good that he is at least doing something meaningful. and I don’t think its fair to say he will be completely useless in this position and will do more harm than good. There is an upside for the air ambulance service here too. Even if William is completely useless to them (which I would argue he won’t be) they now have a much higher profile and more donations will flow as a result.

      • FLORC says:

        I think it would’t be absurd if there was a kidnapping attempt on William. It’s more likely imo for this to happen. Someone gets injured to lure in William who is working known hours and dates. Person injured was just caught in someone elses plan. It’s a possibility and if I thought of it so has his protection team.

        I do think He’s been hired and catered to for promotional needs. That by association the service will be in more papers and get more attention. This could work out to their favor. If this was Williams intent also I hope to see him continue to care about this service and cause after he leaves.
        We will have to see though.

  19. Jaded says:

    Pair of utterly feckless and useless nobs. He’s arrogant, she’s vapid and crass, they’re both lazy and happily leeching off the tax-payers to live an indolent and lavish lifestyle. They don’t even care that it’s so obvious either, that’s the insulting part.

    • Faye says:

      It will be my goal for the week to use “feckless nob” in an appropriate context :) .

      • Olenna says:

        LOL! I’m going for “vapid and crass”. There’s one in my office that fits the Bill perfectly!

      • ArtHistorian says:

        An utter sapskull! Georgette Heyer’s regency romances is a great place to glean polite sounding insults. ;-)

      • Faye says:

        @ArtHistorian – I love those, such guilty pleasures. And somehow those types of words are so much more satisfying than cursing, in a way.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Great to meet a fellow addict of Heyer. I always go to her books when I need some light reading – something “light, bright, and sparkling” in Jane Austen’s words. My favorites is “The Grand Sophy” and “Bath Tangle”. And her books is a good place to find insults that don’t sound crass. Shakespeare’s plays have some wonderful insults as well – they are, however, very vulgar and bawdy, but sometimes the occasion calls for it.

        I also like cursing in Swedish – because Swedish curse words just sound so very funny to Danish ears.

      • Chris says:

        Faye, AH
        Brilliant! I’ve hit a dead end in fiction until my favourites have new books out in a few months. I’m a total crime gal, but always heard good things re Heyer, though all other romantic stuff is sheer anathema. I will hit the bookshops tomorrow, hooray!

      • notasugarhere says:

        Chris, have you tried any Scandinavian Noir? Henning Mankell, Peter Høeg, etc.? Or the Holmes and Russell novels by Laurie R. King?

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Heyer wrote crime stories as well, set in the roaring 20s! I haven’t read them though since I’m not that into crime litt.

        Peter Høegh is more of a literary author. For Scandinavian noir you shold try Jo Nesbø – he’s the king of Scandinavian Noir.

      • Chris says:

        You bet! Every one of them, including Iceland. (I smelled a rat with Camilla Lackberg after a few of hers…..tis romance under a false flag, grrrr.) I’ve been rereading all my old Reginald Hills of late, but found a new Yrsa Sigurdardottir yesterday so am well set for the evening.

      • Faye says:

        @Chris – Have you read Jussi Adler-Olson? I love his stuff. Sophie Hannah writes what are sometimes derisively called “domestic thrillers” and they are just fantastic. Liane Moriarty’s latest, “Big Little Lies,” is a “women’s fiction”/crime hybrid but it was really great.

        Camilla Lackberg has also been lacking (heh) for me lately – her latest just seemed to drag.

      • Chris says:

        Hi Faye
        Thanks for a name to look out for! Sophie Hannah: I’m cutting off my nose to spite my face re her, in that I have boycotted further reading on account of some piece she wrote about her life, for a magazine. (Can’t even recall what repulsed me) If I were to be consistent, I’d boycott Dorothy L Sayers for various crimes too, so I must relent re S Hannah.
        Let me recommend my own absolute favourite recent discovery (and since she’s Irish, there is plenty of ‘fecking’)… Tana French. I can’t praise her highly enough, she’s got the talent of ten great mainstream writers though she’s writing in the crime genre. Tremendous verve, and a new book next month yippee.
        ArtH: Nesbo’s the top. I’ve reread all his books many times and they remain fresh. If you have read the latest Hole one, Police, I have a query: (avoiding spoiler)….where was Sis at the end?
        Excuse diversion into CrimFict, folks. :)

      • wolfpup says:

        I’ve taken notes, thank you, ladies.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        No need to excuse. Like Wolfpup, I’m taking notes and love the recommendations. Thank you!

      • ArtHistorian says:

        I wish I could help but I actually don’t read crime fiction. Besides the literary stuff, I’m more into historical and speculative fiction in terms of genre.

        I want to recommend a book I love. Donna Tartt’s “The Little Friend”. It is not crime fiction per se, but it centers around an old crime. The main character is a young girl living in the South during the 70s, and her family is haunted by the murder of her younger brother, so she decides to solve his murder. The catch is, though, that a child sees and understands things differently than adults and she gets embroiled in a dangerous situation. It is really wonderfully written with lots of atmosphere and I think that Tartt does a very good job to convey this child’s point of view.

      • Chris says:

        Criminal activities aside, we have much in common here: my other reading is mainstream/literary, that being my area of study originally. And history and biography are a mania: hence the delight in Hilary Mantel, who combines the lot!
        I’m one of the three people in the free world without TV, so I spend far too much time binge-reading.
        I read that Donna T when it came out, having enjoyed her first. Still have it somewhere, must read it again. (FWIW, this Tana French I’m championing is, imo, Donna Tartt with added brio)

      • ArtHistorian says:


        I love Mantel’s work! I heard a rumour that she writing a third novel in her series about Thomas Cromwell and I’m really excited. Hope it is true. And it is being adapted by the BBC with Damian Lewis as Henry VIII.

        I’ll def have to check out Tana French, then.

        Have you read Susan Holloway Scott’s novels about court life during the reign of Charles II? They are very good – she keeps a historical flavour to her language with it becoming too anachronistic. And they tell the stories of a string of interesting women:

        - Duchess: about Sarah Churhill (one of Diana’s ancestors – and the portrait on the cover show a certain resemblence. The Duchess was blonde and with that peaches and cream complexion)

        - Royal Harlot (about Barbara Villiers, Lady Castlemaine – Charles II’s most notorious mistress)

        - The King’s Favorite (about Nell Gwynne)

        - The French Mistress (about Louise de Kerouaille – his French mistress)

        - The Countess and the King (about Lady Katherine Sedley (the mistress of James II)

      • Feeshalori says:

        If anyone likes crime/drama set in Britain with an archeological overtone, you should read Elly Griffiths’ series featuring her archeologist heroine, Ruth Galloway. For a British crime series with a rawer and grittier flavor, S.J. Bolton is just the author. And the Holmes/Mary Russell series by Laurie R. King is just incomparable.

      • Faye says:

        @Chris -I LOVE Tana French. I can’t wait for her new one next month. I’m not sure what Sophie Hannah wrote that turned you off (she seems pretty normal and cool on Twitter), but if you can overcome that and read her books I think you’ll be happy you did. Erin Kelly is also good. I also enjoy Minette Waters, but she hasn’t written anything new in ages. Rosamund Lupton wrote two great psychological thrillers. Val McDermid is good as well, although reeeeaallly dark. I have to ve in the right mood to read her.

        Now that I think about, there are a lot of great British, Irish, and Scottish thriller/mystery authors. In the US I like Jonathan, Faye, and Jesse Kellerman, and Laura Lippmann. Harlan Coben is “easier” reading but he’s pretty good too.

        Thanks to everyone else for your suggestions, and to Kaiser for not deleting this vary off-topic tangent, LOL.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        The off-topic tangents are some of the best parts of these threads. However, I do miss Liberty’s hilarious little fictions – she would have a field day with William’s newest scheme.

      • Petrichor says:

        I’m ridiculously late to the party, so no one will probably read this, but I have to add Giles Blunt to the list of crime fiction authors. I haven’t found too many great Canadian writers in the genre (I agree that the UK authors have the category sewn up), but I really enjoy Blunt. His John Cardinal series is set in Northern Ontario.

        Linwood Barclay is another writer in the genre who I generally enjoy. I think he’s a Canadian transplant to the US, but his books are all set in the States. He has a bunch of stand-alones, as well as a series, the main character of which I can’t remember the name of. Zack something, maybe? In any case, Barclay tries for a mystery/comedy hybrid in the series, and I find the main character interminable, so I’ve only read the first one. The stand-alones are straight-up crime/suspense, and I’ve enjoyed all the ones I’ve read.

        Thanks to everyone for the great suggestions! I too have taken many notes!

      • notasugarhere says:

        Thanks, Petrichor! Headed to the library for some Canadian mysteries.

    • Vava says:

      LOL………….a star for you today. Love the words.

  20. sunsetsnow says:

    I don’t believe he really cares about any causes. This is the huge problem. Harry cares and it shows. William only does it because he has to. This lates scheme is just to get out of being a full-time royal for a few years to be a country lord for as long as he can. He’s fooling no one.

    • Chris says:

      I think that sounds very true….he seems quite without any passions. The chap who only laughs at jokes when others do, not recognising silliness or the absurd himself. There’s nothing wrong with being a dull person, but it must be tough for that person to be permanently on stage. He is a grown man, but I’d hope he still can turn to Charles if actually tormented by performance anxiety.

      • wolfpup says:

        Will seems shy; then arrogant. The arrogance is probably a defense mechanism, but when combined with his position, he is enabled to hide his fear, even from himself; as he is “working like normal people” (away from any public awkwardness, or embarrassments).

        He’ll never be fired, like normal people, nor have any of the same kinds of constraints on the job. I think that he needs a life coach.

    • MinnFinn says:

      Yep, he doesn’t care but for one thing and that’s African wildlife. I also believe Kate doesn’t care. The selfishness and self-centeredness of this duo knows no bounds.

      I also think Willy’s game is a calculated, long-range scheme to bilk UK taxpayers. He’ll continue to take full advantage of every royal perk available in order to spend the least amount possible from his inheritance. All while doing as little royal work as he can get away with for as long as possible.

  21. Stef Leppard says:

    Sorry, Will, it’s not working.

  22. notasugarhere says:

    I do not think this is a PR stunt to be perceived as normal. It is William’s life-long tradition of doing everything he can to duck out of his duty, while remaining a pampered millionaire.

    Blaming it on the PR people is wrong, they’re trying to do their PR jobs. They do not direct W&K, these two are running their own show. Right now the PR job is to TRY to justify W&K’s ridiculous, insulting behavior to Joe Bloggs, but this behavior cannot be successfully defended.

  23. Mrs McCubbins says:

    Wow! People really try to look for something to bitch about when it comes to William. I don’t get it! The guy is not taking a salary he’s donating it to charity. He’s not sitting back doing nothing, He’s actually doing something worthwhile, something he’s been trained for. The writer of that article looks like some grumpy resentful old bastard.

    • ArtHistorian says:

      No need for name-calling.

    • FLORC says:

      I’m a broken record today.
      He’s taking a salary for a job created for him. His salary is full time for part time work. This service is stretched thin and runs on donations. So, basically with no embellishment he’s taking an overpaid salary so he can donate it out of her personal funds to another unnamed charity.

      As far as sitting back. His schedule as been made for him specifically so he can take vacations with little notice. And he will not be taking on more royal duties just the bare minimum. That leaves a lot of free time.

      If he loves being a pilot and rescues why can’t he work with a charity? He can fly the helicopter for fundraising and help a good cause. Not work part time and ignore his post/duties.

      I haven’t bloated anything here. This is all confirmed. That’s why i’m leaving out his RPO that will fly with him instead of a trained paramedic. Because as of now it’s not 100% confirmed.

      So, based on this info can you really support this?

      • Mrs McCubbins says:

        So he should live life according to you? He is doing something charitable just not the way you choose him to. I don’t think that’s fair on your part. You are taking some facts and putting a negative spin on it to suit yourself and support your dislike of him. I’m not trying insult you just stating my opinion. How is his living his life the way you expect him to going to make a difference in your life? What makes you think doing more Royal work is going to be more beneficial to anyone? Do you not think he hasn’t considered this?

      • FLORC says:

        I listed the facts as they are. If they sound negative that’s what you take away.
        And taking from 1 charity to give to another is not being charitable. And it is without spin what william is doing.

        Also, when people live their lives to help others it only improves the lives of those in a pay it forward way.

        Regarding your last 2 lines. Are you defending his lack of work with the argument that it won’t do any good so don’t to it at all? They all have charities that need fundraising and awareness. The benefits never stop unless the work stops. Since the work is on hold the benefits and help the charity can give to others is reduced. The cambridges have a huge platform and it shouldn’t be left to collect dust. I’m not saying they should work to the bone. Just don’t stop all together.

        Still. Let’s not trail off here. As I stated the facts above. Pretend it’s someone else. Anyone else. Can you still defend it? Is it justified. Take emotions and William 100% out of it.
        I think you’re very passionate about William here. I’m trying to stay on the side of the facts. Not on a crusade. I’m only trying to understand your opinion. If it’s fact based or if you’re just a passionate defender of William and want to view him in a positive light. Or maybe you’re just playing devil’s advocate. Not to insult you. Only to understand where you’re coming from.

      • Mrs McCubbins says:

        FLORC, I’m not going to take someone else’s negative spin (Ken Wharfe) as my own. I don’t see it that way. I see William as donating his time and wage to charity. He needs to satisfy himself too. We don’t know what goes on behind closed doors and it doesn’t appear as if the Queen and Duke are going to quit yet. When they decide to step down I’m going to give William the benefit of the doubt and then see if he steps it up. I think he will. It’s his life, He is giving back to others. What charity is he taking from by the way? I don’t think a position was taken from another to simply give to William. Where have you read that? Also re Ken Wharfe, he does appear to look like a grumpy old bastard imo. I think I have a right to state my opinion dont you? Who is ART H to tell me I cant say that? Comes off as censorship.

      • littlestar says:

        Mrs McCubbins, tell me then how you can justify them basically creating a job for William and then trying to find the monetary resources to pay for this new position? How exactly is that contributing to society when he is basically taking away money from a charity group that truly does need the resources? Maybe we wouldn’t have to be so “petty” towards lazy Will and Kate if they actually did some REAL work and didn’t have their egos constantly stroked by their yes-men.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Mrs. McC – no need to pull out the hyperbolic statements. Expressing a wish for polite conversation is NOT censorship. However, calling someone a “bastard” because you don’t agree with his opinions that he is free to express (and which he makes based on his professional experience as a protection officer). – that is rude and uncalled for.
        Telling me to grow up IS rude. it is an petty knee-jerk reaction that only reflects poorly upon yourself.

        This is my final say in this conversation.

      • Mrs McCubbins says:

        Art H, I cannot count the number of times I have read comments calling Kate Waity, Duchess Dolittle, Prince Baldtop etc. You are being extremely hypocritical. I think you probably have enough intelligence to agree. What do you care how I describe K Wharfe? I’m actually having a nice discussion on here with Florc. I respect that she has a differing opinion and I’m simply asking why as she is of me. You are trolling!

      • FLORC says:

        Mrs. C
        The charity William is taking from is the air ambulance service itself. It uses donations to keep running. To be fair most places that offer public services do this. You don’t have to only be a charity to receive donations.
        With the air ambulance service all positions were filled for Pilots. They tailored a position and added a slot to the budget for William. He gets the prime slots of 1st and 2nd shift as i’ve found out too. That means other pilots that have earned their spots in the most wanted slots of normal working hours are bumped back to nighttime, 3rd and 4th shifts. Working in the healthcare field I can tell you this is not received well by the workers.

        Regarding the “grumpy old..” name calling. Come on Mrs. C.. Come on. You know what you said and how you said it. Don’t play coy ;) Ok i’ll bite. You were only calling Ken those things because he looked that way. He was an aged man whose mother had him out of wedlock with his father with a pouting attitude needing a nap, Right? Haha, please don’t take me for a fool. You’re clearly smart enough to know that’s not true. He said something you didn’t agree with so you mocked his physical appearance unable to counter his words with your own. And even so that is no excuse for you to tell ArtHistory to “grow up”.

      • notasugarhere says:

        @Mrs.McC. “You are trolling! ” Pot, kettle.

        “How is his living his life the way you expect him to going to make a difference in your life? ”
        They can live their lives however they please if and only if they fund themselves. They are living off the taxpayers, no matter how you slice and dice the Sovereign Grant and the Duchy. This has been discussed on here many, many times.

        “What makes you think doing more Royal work is going to be more beneficial to anyone? Do you not think he hasn’t considered this?”
        No I do not think he has considered it, he never has. All he has considered is what the selfish manchild wants, not what is in the best interest of the people of the UK.

      • FLORC says:

        Mrs. C
        We are having a polite back and forth! And you are being more kind and receptive than I initially thought. I do appreciate that! That doesn’t mean Littlestar and ArtHistory can’t join in. They both have valid points and I often find myself thankful they chime in and rephrase some of my points. I am no stranger to using the wrong word or at a loss for the correct word. *And I just sat here for a solid minute trying to find that “stranger” was the word I needed*

        Also, I would like to point out I can’t recall AH using those names at William or Kate. And I challenge you to try and find a single post where I have used those names. Pss, You won’t find any because I never use them and don’t support the use.
        Everyone is allowed their opinions, but that doesn’t mean they should be shared.
        You started this. You called Ken names attacking his physical self and mother instead of countering his main argument. Honestly, that doesn’t relfect kindly on those defending William and Kate. Never be so petty when trying to make a valid point.
        It wasn’t censorship and it’s wasn’t unfair. AH is intelligent and a wealth of unbias info.

    • Jaded says:

      We don’t have to look for something to bitch about with Wm. and Kate. It’s all there in blazing technicolour. Compared to the rest of the BRF they do the least amount of charity work, take the most vacations, and spend millions re-doing their homes (one of which they don’t even live in – KP). Even Prince Phillip, at 92, has a much fuller calendar of charity work than Willnot and Kannot. The flying he’ll be doing is strictly part-time and it was a job that was created for him, not out of necessity. He’ll also have to have protection with him. The fact that he’s donating what amounts to a small salary doesn’t make up for the massive amount of behind the scenes work, cost and protection it will take so some lunatic doesn’t shoot him out of the sky or mobs of people don’t get wind of where he’s landing and create a hazardous situation. He (and his wife) should be out raising money and awareness for these organizations instead of faffing around flying part-time. It’s a vanity job, just like his bespoke Cambridge agri-course was a vanity time-waster.

    • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

      Mrs MacCubbins
      You have a right to your opinion, but you’re wrong, and everyone else has the right to tell you so. William is already generously compensated for doing almost nothing. He should stop avoiding his real job and playing at this one, where he will essentially just be in the way, and earn his keep. People have been patient with him, but this was the last straw. He’s in his 30s now. I’m not going to go into the reasons again, because so many people with truly in depth knowledge about the RF have already done it over and over, if you would just read them.

      • Mrs McCubbins says:

        Well then let’s agree to disagree Goodnames. Telling me I have a right to my opinion but I’m wrong is ……well I just have no words for that statement. I should just go with the majority and base my opinion on gossip. Who care about facts!

      • LNG says:

        I’m going to have to go with Mrs McCubbins on this one – saying “You have the right to your opinion, but you’re wrong” isn’t really a fair statement unless you can point to facts that prove that she is wrong, which you can’t. We all form our opinions based on the information that we know to be true along with our own assumptions and biases. We have no actual idea what his deal with the air ambulance service is. I can just as easily say: William is working for a charity and donating all of his wages to charity, he is therefore doing charity work every day that he works, on top of the royal duties that he will continue to do. Therefore, he is going above and beyond and you, GoodNames, are wrong. This fits into the facts that we know to be true just as well as your opinion does. Neither you nor Ms. McCubbins can say the other is categorically false, because we really have no idea what is actually going on behind the scenes here.

      • FLORC says:

        I have the opinion that 2 + 2 = 100. It’s my opinion and I have a right to it, but it’s still wrong. And every time I tell people this they will tell me it’s wrong, because it is.

        And truly the facts that prove their opinion is wrong have been stated numerous times on every site that hasn’t sworn allegance to the Cambridges. By that I mean sites that endlessly praise and viciously attack anyone that has even a neutral opinion on them. If it isn’t falling overthemselves to adore it’s unwelcomed. At least here we can have a back and forth without full out attacks.
        The facts are there and many are simply tired of repeating them. It’s all over this page, in the press releases, with the twitter pages of the royal reporters.

        Fact. It’s known what the service of an air ambulance entails. And William seeks to be the Pilot.
        Fact. William is taking a salary for a position as pilot that was previously not there.
        Fact. He is taking a salary for this position and donating it to another charity that as of today has not been named.

        These are facts and they are supported by any reputable news source. If it gets you looking at the BBC or palace press releases I ask you to prove me wrong.

      • LNG says:

        FLORC: That 2 + 2 = 100 can be disproven by fact. Therefore, I would be right in telling you that your opinion is wrong. Most of the opinions on this site (either pro or con the cambridges) cannot be disproven by fact. Many of them are strongly supported by the actions of the Cambridges to date (i.e: they aren’t keen on Royal work and don’t plan on becoming full time Royals anytime soon).

        I agree that the known facts are as you have stated them. These facts don’t prove any of the opinions that are being put forward though.

        Yes, William is taking a salary that was previously not there. This does not prove that William will be a drain on the service or that he is taking desperately needed money from a charity only to give it to some other charity. First, William could give it back to the service, we don’t know where its going yet. Second, the air ambulance has said in their public statement that they anticipate William’s presence will be great for the service:

        ‘This is really good news for the charity and we’re delighted His Royal Highness has decided to fly with us. We’re looking forward to him being part of the team. We need to raise £7.5 million.
        We are confident that this will help raise the profile of the charity. It’s a very close-knit crew with pilots operating closely with doctors and paramedics so we need a strong team.’

        I think that the air ambulance service will bring in more money than the 40,000 they will be paying William just based on the increased profile. This is my opinion, and until he starts working there and we see what happens, it cannot be said to be wrong.

        The palace issued a statement about William’s motivation:
        ‘The Duke of Cambridge is hugely motivated by the idea of being able to help people in difficult and challenging conditions. The air ambulance service does truly outstanding work and The Duke of Cambridge wants to make his own contribution to it.

        We can criticize him as much as we want about not being motivated by Royal work and not taking on full time duties, but I don’t think he is deserving of the level of vitriol that is being hurled at him for this choice. He will be doing meaningful work – I would argue much more meaningful than the work he has pursued during this last “gap year”. That is my opinion, and to date I have seen no facts that change that.

        You may be tired of repeating the “facts” as you see them, but I’m sure others are tired of being told they are wrong every time they express an opinion different than the majority.

      • LNG says:

        I should say as well, I respect all of your opinions and see where you are coming from. I just don’t always agree! What draws me into these posts is the intelligent debate, what pushes me away are posters being told they are categorically wrong for having a different opinion, which effectively shuts down all debate.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        I do not have time to read these incredibly long posts tonight. I apologize. I’m sure you all make many good points. In my opinion, Mrs MacCubbins is wrong. The factual reasons have been stated over and over by people with much more knowledge that I, and I won’t be bothered to repeat what you can go up thread and read for yourself. Sorry to have offended anyone. I am learning not to comment on Royal threads as it just isn’t worth it to me to spend hours on it. I was not trying to shut down the debate, just stating my opinion that she’s wrong and I stand by that.

      • FLORC says:

        I’ll also return to answer this tomorrow. Too late to read it all and give a full and thoughtful answer.

      • LNG says:

        “You’re wrong” and “In my opinion you’re wrong” are two very different things, that’s all I’m saying. I’m not offended in the slightest by what you have said, nor have I ever been, because its your opinion and you’re entitled to it. I have read all the threads and all of the comments, repeated ad nauseam. I’ve learned all kinds of things from your posts and the posts of many others. I know why you think they are lazy/mooching/scheming people. Some of it I agree with, some of it I don’t. Perhaps I should not have jumped in to defend McCubbins, I felt compelled to because I thought the comment was unfair.

      • FLORC says:


        Alright! Rested and read your comment.
        I think this really boils down to our current opinions and bias. We read the same info, but view it in different ways.

        A few things I do want to cover though.
        The public statement adressing William joining the team.
        This gives me flashbacks to the S&R. William was praised in press releases. It was ongoing celebration of words for him. Behind the scenes his (for lack of the correct word) bosses had enough of him. Skipping out on duties, giving little notice for leave, and barely skimming by with his flying hours each month. These last 2 parts abt almost losing his wings and giving almost no notice for a vacation are well documented.

        So, maybe they like having him now. It’s great PR in the way hiring Pippa was. Attaching a name to get free pr.

        Regarding th palaces own statement. What are they going to say? Something bad? No. It’s always going to give William the best possible light and spin. You have to read between the lines. This is true for most news anywhere. It’s not about the truth. It’s about an image.

        Still, when it comes to certain topics here I think there are proven facts. History that cannot be changed. And yet people are glorifying history to fit their opinions. If you have all the info and chose to ignore it, well, there’s not much either of us can do with that. Lead a horse to water, but can’t make them drink comes to mind.

        We will have to agree to disagree here.

      • hmmm says:

        “The Duke of Cambridge is hugely motivated by the idea of being able to help people in difficult and challenging conditions….”

        Hahahaha! What spin is not like the other spins? Not this one! Seriously, the palace *always* issues OTT statements about Willy’s thoughtfulness and deep earnestness as he carves his dilettante swath through life. Yet, his behaviour proves otherwise, over and over again- the guy can’t hold down a job to save his life. I’m amazed that anyone who follows the Dolittles for a long while can still be so easily and readily conned by the endless BS.

    • Dame Snarkweek says:

      There is a difference, although slight. And implications become tricky once they begin to resemble assumptions. Once a poster here said the queen looked like a little Easter cupcake because of her pastel suit and matching hat. That came off as charming. But if anyone actually called the queen a cute little cupcake it would have come off as glib and patronizing in a sexist way.
      So Mrs. m saying Wharf looked like a bastard is her saying he gives her that vibe based on his appearance. That is an opinion, not name calling. Had she said Wharf is a bastard – well you get my point.

      • Mrs McCubbins says:

        LNG, eloquently said. Thank you for sticking up for me.

        FLORC, know when to quit. Your analysis of why I said what I did regarding Ken W. is wrong. IMO he has a grumpy look on his face period. If ArtH doesn’t like my comment skip over it. There was no need for her to comment. It’s juvenile. She is not the moderator here!

  24. chaine says:

    i don’t fault him for wanting to do a “real” job to pass the time. The queen is almost 90. If Charles has her longevity, William could be in his 60′s before he becomes King. Why waste his life up until then if he finds working for a rescue squad meaningful?

    • Deedee says:

      Waste his life?? He’s got opportunities to do good that most of us only dream of, and his bills are all paid by others. This helicopter flying “hobby job” is his excuse to not do/earn any of it. The aging royals (who put his work ethic to shame) are the reason he should be stepping up instead of stepping out.

    • littlestar says:

      Then he should go out and FIND a job, just like the rest of us. How is having a job created for him actually finding a job like any “normal” person?

      Man, why won’t someone create some cushy job for me where I don’t have to do anything, but can pretend to me normal and appear to “work”?

      Why aren’t the British more upset about this? I’m irritated for them! Lol.

      • Mrs McCubbins says:

        That’s what People Magazine reports? I don’t think they have the inside scoop they just want to sell their rag.

      • wolfpup says:

        Mrs. McCubbins, I think that you’d like the DuchessKate blog.

      • LNG says:

        wolfpup: are you really suggesting that she leave for posting an opinion different than the majority who post here? This is the implication I am getting from that comment, so forgive me if that was not your intention (but know that that is how it may be read by others). I think the differing opinions on this site are what makes for interesting discussion, otherwise this is just a bunch of people repeating the same thing over and over again and patting each other on the back. I truly enjoy when there is actual discussion with both sides debating back and forth fairly respectfully (see Mrs McCubbins and FLORC above under comment 23) rather than posters just being told they’re wrong.

        I read various blogs about the royals – DuchessKate and RoyalDish among them. Both are at extremes of the spectrum and really aren’t that interesting. This one can be great, when the actual discussion gets going.

      • FLORC says:

        I think Wolfpup only said that because they would enjoy it. Not to leave for there and never return.

        And To share… I was a poster on what I thought was a balanced royal thread. It then became more snarky and created a haven for Kate haters. Like the kind of hate on a KK thread here. Just post that name and people spewed evil with no real reason. Anyways the site was taken over by them. It came to the point where I stated facts that said Kate wasn’t evil incarnate. I got jumped on and attacked. Bluhare actually witnessed this and also got attacked for coming to my defense with facts.. Long story short that last thing I want for this site and threads is for us all to pat eachother on the back and agree with ourselves.

        I think most people here aren’t posting to rag on the Cambridges. They know the facts. Wade through the spin and aren’t impressed. Also worth noting many praise when it’s deserved and really hope when there’s a streak of work that it’s the sign of a turn around.

        And thank you for citing my back and forth! If you’re respectful so am I:)

      • wolfpup says:

        The DuchessKate blog is pro-Kate, and it is very well done. I check it every morning; Charlotte always has the best pictures. I suggested it to Mrs. McCunnin, because I thought it would make her happy. But I do not see why I need to be explaining anything to you. Everyone’s nice here, and no one minds being proved wrong; that’s just part of the puzzle. Using an off-tone however, makes the discussion tiring.

      • LNG says:

        FLORC: yikes, its amazing how much hate can be spewed on some forums! I usually avoid posting anywhere for that exact reason. This is the only forum that I have ever been compelled to comment on, as the discussion is usually so interesting.

    • wolfpup says:

      LNG, I realize that my response to you might have been “off-putting”, and I apologize for that. Some days I am just more sensitive…peace be unto you.

  25. Leaflet says:

    Ken Wharfe told it like it was. I wish others wouldn’t be so shy and approve and nod “Yes” to everything Prince William does. It’s like, if Prince William doesn’t want to be King just freaking abdicate. So sad that enough individuals aren’t speaking up and out and challenging him on this matter. After all, the monarchy is also supported by the people and are supposed to be a representation of the people. How pathetic.

  26. may23 says:

    But I wonder if it’s going to make any difference whatsoever? Just the other day I was talking to someone from London. He said” “They [Will&Kate] actually do a lot for the economy of the country…”

    So until the british people think that it doesn’t matter what ex body guards write in their columns. This is what british people want and this is what they will be getting. So to say.

  27. anne_000 says:

    I think that if Will wants to do as little royal duties as possible, then he should stop spending taxpayers’ money for his living expenses. He has what? $15.5 million from his mother? And possibly other income from his father & family’s side?
    But if he’s using taxpayers’ money at the same time not ‘earning’ it by doing charity work like the older members of his family, then he’s going to get criticism.
    This sitting on the fence thing he’s doing while trying to get everything to his benefit with as little personal output as possible makes him look worse than if he were to be honest with himself & the public & pick a side.

  28. joe spider says:

    Ken Wharfe has another book coming out this month – quelle surprise!

  29. Xantha says:

    Ken Wharfe is a gentleman and a scholar for saying this in a mainstream publication. Alot of the complaints about Will and Kate have been just on the Internet so far.

    If only they would actually listen to this talk but they won’t. And it seems like no one in his circle wants to tell him no. Sad really.

  30. Feeshalori says:

    I wonder if William sees a train, he’ll want to switch careers to train conductor next. Just a thought……

  31. Dara says:

    Yes, the East Anglian Air Ambulance is a charity – but it looks like they contract flight operations out to a private company, Bond Air Services – which explains why Wills is to draw a salary. Hopefully the charity he’s donating it back to is the EAAA, otherwise what’s the point. The EAAA is probably over the moon about the publicity, but I do hope he also does some fundraising efforts for them in addition to his flying duties.

    The Palace took pains to point out he is the first royal in line of direct succession to earn an actual paycheck…not sure if it was wise to point that out to us peasants.

    Yes, he should find something he’s passionate about until his time comes to inherit but it seems like his passion is flying. Why didn’t he just stay in the RAF?

  32. Chris says:

    Talk above about historical fiction and biography suggests a job for the Cambridges: set up, raise further funds for, and give their names to a national museum for royal collections: the magnificent art of course, but also items of interest such as Queen Anne’s slippers etc.
    Perhaps house it outside London, which already has stupendous galleries. Cambridge? Winchester, erstwhile capital? Ideally in an existing but adaptable building. Wills and Kate could devote much of their energies to attracting founding finance, to be matched by the BRF, and if it became a really big project, with tax relief on donations, thru could find a Petworth bequeathed for the purpose! Such an institution could beckon to other British collections for occasional display; Chatsworth’s not the only such resource. It could be a locus for research as much as a free-access museum, and the grand epitome of ‘art for everyone’ since it would have that extra pull of being ours, albeit held for the nation by the royal family. (Of course the NPG, Tates are ‘ours’ too, but a royal connection seems somehow more democratic, upside down though that sounds: I mean that artworks would be associated with historical figures that are well known to us, and so perhaps attract visitors for that reason, as much as the art connoisseur.) Oh! And Brian Sewell could be a director!!
    Phew! Pardon lengthy ramble, time for my Icelandic murderer. :)

  33. Elizabeth says:

    Because we all know how well Marie Antoinette’s playing at being “normal” worked out for her.

    • FLORC says:

      Oh that’s right! A cow farm, was it? We’re more desensatized and calmer. Had William and Kate been acting this way in those times. It wouldn’t end well. At least not for Kate. William however could rehab his image with a new wife.

      • Vava says:

        I wouldn’t mind seeing William find a new wife! What a story THAT would be! The trouble is, the sort of wife I’d like to see him with, he wouldn’t like. Someone who could give a speech, behave in a professional manner, and have a little CHARISMA. Nope, isn’t gonna happen.

      • FLORC says:

        Should William be hit with a surge of duty it could happen. He will find a passion. Although I think Kate would adapt. I think she would look truly run down, but (and I mean this in a truly neutral way) William is the only job she’s ever had. Getting him, keeping him, dealing with him. She’s changed her lift to suit him. I don’t know if she has an identity without him. Again, in a totally serious, non-hateful way.
        I just know too many ladies that have nearly identical situations to Kate. Wealthy families, but married up. Put off career to pursue man. Gave up friends for his friends etc…
        Should a seperation occure they are a bit lost.

      • wolfpup says:

        FLORC; Diana was lost and also finding herself. I remember I started my Women’s Studies course after my divorce, when I was trying to figure out what a woman was – because the men were confusing me, and I had a life to live. Inside the patriarchal field, I was experiencing enormous cognitive dissonance.

      • FLORC says:


        While I do agree Diana was finding hersefl I tend to think Diana doesn’t fall into this description. There are just more than a few differences from these ladies and her.

      • wolfpup says:

        FLORC – you can’t leave me hanging! What are the differences that you see?

  34. kristen says:

    I don’t think this guy will ever be King.

  35. SoCal says:

    Can we please not call Prince William’s wanting to have a job “normal.” Normal people work because they have to provide a roof over their heads, clothes on their back, and food on their table, etc. Prince William has all of the above so what’s the point of this “job.” “Royal work-shy” should be replaced with “normal.”

    Here is the headline: Prince William wants to be an air ambulance pilot to be royal work-shy.

  36. Chas says:

    It’s hard to come by educated people about this topic, however, you seem like you know what
    you’re talking about! Thanks