Earlier this week, ten year-old testimony from Bill Cosby was released in which he admitted drugging women with Quaaludes so he could sexually assault them. Deadline did some digging and came up with some related news — CAA dumped him as a client last fall when the scandal broke. An agency official told Deadline, “We do not represent him at this time.” Sure enough, Cosby’s name has disappeared from CAA’s public speakers roster. He still has a publicist and lawyers, so he’s not alone, but Cosby will never find another reputable agent again.
Whoopi Goldberg is steadfast in her support of Cosby. We talked yesterday about her claim that there was no real proof that Cosby raped the 40+ women who’ve come forward. Whoopi’s statements on rape are always the worst. Long ago, she defended Roman Polanski. Now Whoopi doesn’t even believe that Cosby’s own admission points to rape. Whoopi ranted again yesterday. She still believes in Cosby’s innocence, and she feels personally persecuted too:
Whoopi feels attacked: “People have been coming after me and saying they’re going to snatch my family. It’s like being Frankenstein, people coming after you with the fire and they’re going to burn you. Not any of you threatening me or telling me you’re coming after me because you don’t like what I said is going to change the fact that no one has convicted him, he has not been arrested. The bottom line is, that’s the law. Innocent until proven guilty.”
She doesn’t believe the victims: “We all have a very important role to play when it comes to abuse and rape. If it’s true the person has to be taken to nth degree of the world and punished. No one here thinks rape is good. No one here thinks rapists are fun. So, don’t come after me like that, ’cause I’m sick of this bull. Here’s the bottom line, for me: It’s my opinion. And the American courts agree with me, because still he has not been taken to jail or trial on anything. So, back off me!”
[From The View on YouTube]
Most people can’t believe that Whoopi is still defending Cosby and (pretty much) saying the victims are making things up. Cosby victim Janice Dickinson is very disappointed in Whoopi: “What is wrong with you, Whoopi Goldberg? What more does it take? You need to be fired. How dare you sit there on The View? You need to be fired, you stupid woman. That is ridiculous.” Also, both Whoopi and Camille Cosby need to stop acting like Cosby is the victim.
One more thing. The newly revealed testimony could open the door for one known accuser, Chloe Gains, to file criminal charges before the statute of limitation expires. Gains accused Cosby of sexually assaulting her in 2008 at the Playboy Mansion.
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet & WENN
Statue of limitations!!!
Although I think it is absurd that such a statute exsists for sexual assault cases but that’s why this serial rapist isn’t hanging in Rykers as we speak
Thats EXACTLY what came to mind reading this headline! You stupid cow! He can’t go to jail now. What is her deal? I truly don’t get why she even has a dog in this fight? Most things that comes out of her mouth are offensive and ignorant. I liked her much better when I had no idea what her “View” on things were.
Exactly! I feel that way about a lot
Of celebs, especially after I read what they post on social media.
“I liked her much better when I had no idea what her “View” on things were”
@SnarkySnarkers, I completely agree.
I don’t think Whoopi full understands what Rape is. She argued for Polanski too. So, I don’t think she understands that coercive sex is also considered rape.
You know Canada has a law that states a woman must say yes to sex for it to be consensual.
I completely understand Whoopie. People who have lived their formative years in oppressive environments learn to define cruelty in much looser terms. They have to, or they wouldn’t survive. When you hear her say that black people being followed around in stores isn’t racism, its because she was formed in a time when that was the least of a black persons worries. Add to that, that human beings must somehow find a way to convince the self that life is not just a bleak never ending slog to be treated right. (Notice how she doesn’t go into denial when it comes to sexual minorities? That’s because those issues don’t force her back into that “victimhood” space. The vulnerability isn’t hers so she can acknowledge it). The final piece of the puzzle is the subconscious Stockholme syndrome that set in a long long time ago for some of these people. They learn to defend “figures of authority” because again, that’s how you survive. You have to believe that people in power are not irrational crazed sociopaths because my God, how would you defend against them? You have to believe that “people make mistakes” and “those women tacitly placed themselves in situations and now wish to dismantle the system I have come to terms with”
I know people like Whoopie. People who have been through hell or raised by people who ha e been to hell, who take offense at how the world now defines abuse or bigotry.
She has my sympathy. I don’t see how useful it is to engage people like her. Cosby is the villain, lets not get sidetracked dealing with somebody who is clearly a victim of her environment. You want change her, all you do is switch the conversation from the perpetrator to another type of victim.
Chichi times a kajillion
Chichi very well thought out and articulated! I agree. I came to this conclusion about her some time ago but was never able to flesh out the thought the way you did. Thanks!
Exactly Chici… the focus needs to be on Bill Cosby and only Bill Cosby. We are not going to change how Whoopi views issues about rape or sexual assault or issues about race. She was raised in a different time and had to navigate an extremely racist, oppressive time period. Her responses are a direct result of how she learned to cope and I empathize with her. I was raised in a dysfunctional, abusive and violent environment and much of my responses in my 20’s to issues about substance abuse, violence of any kind, rape or sexual assault was the direct result of how I learned to cope. My responses are still not up to what I know logically and I am still evolving. People like Whoopi are stunted and probably forever so. Continue to attack her for opinions does nothing to engage progress on issues of violence, race, etc. We need to focus on who committed these acts.
Chichi, that was written with an incredible spirit of generosity.
ChiChi- extremly thought-provoking, but I need information. Why or what was so different/worse about Whoopie’s upbringing and environment. There must be things I’m unware of that she went through opposed to the millions of other African-Americans who grew up during the same era and do not stick up for predators. I’m not being sarcastic – I’m figuring she herself was raped or literally beaten down and I just never knew.
yaass to all these comments. he’s not in jail because no one has yet figured out a way to charge him. Whoppi Goldberg is about as eloquent and informed as Ashton Kutcher was on the whole Joe paterno thing, except he retracted his ignorance. that makes her less eloquent and informed than Kelso….
if she wants to unconditionally support a friend, she should do so silently, but as far as I am concerned, she’s an apologist for a serial rapist.
FORGET Statute of Limitations!
This is about MORALITY.
Raping an incapacitated woman is disgusting and vile.
DRUGGING her so she’s incapacitated before you rape her is even worse.
We need to be talking about the immorality of attacking a woman, not the technicalities of charging. It’s immoral, even if he never serves a day in jail.
The drugging just shows how cowardly and creepy he is — who drugs a woman?
We can say we believe these dozens of woman are telling the truth and that we think Bill Cosby is a vile man.
Even if it’s been a long time since he did these things.
Long overdue for Whoopi to keep quiet. She sounds ignorant and narcissistic. She defends Michael Vick, Mel Gibson and now this pig of a man Bill Cosby. Somehow she made this about her. G-D I do dislike her. People who think they’re smart and use words like “doo-doo” and all her other dumb expressions just like to hear themselves talk.
Time for The View to be put to rest. And Whoopi-get your moral compass adjusted. You seem to defend animal killers, anti semite women abusers, and rapists.
I used to like Whoopi but over time she’s become arrogant and stubborn with her opinions and a little too loud about them before all the cards are on the table so she ends up looking like an idiot. Her people have either encouraged this behavior or she’s gotten too big for her britches.
IMO, I agree, some of these victims aren’t victims but will come forward with a lie because they’ll feel that there is safety in numbers. But, without any other information, just looking at the odds alone, it is highly improbable that all 47 are liars. Even if just one of them is honest, that should be enough for this woman to close her gigantic mouth and Cosby to be publicly and professionally shredded.
I think she’s been tainted by the fact that children, especially girls, are forced to face sexual situations and become jaded beyond their years in her industry. She mistakenly associates that sexual precociousness as emotional intelligence. I also think that she’s doing what a lot of people do where they believe that if a woman presents herself as sexual being or puts herself in a sexual situation (Playboy mansion) that she suddenly voids her right to choose whether she wants to actually have sex.
It’s sad that she’s bought into any of these ideas… I really had a higher opinion of her ability to sort through things like that.
Mytbean, v v well stated. I agree that she constantly misses the mark using her own life experiences as the basis for everyone’s situation.
Your opinion was a joy to read
mytbean
Pretty much and well put.
We don’t want to change her, we want to see and hear less of her “view”.
@Chichi, very, very well spoken. Thank you for enlightening me today.
blind loyalty dangerous
Ugh shame on ABC for keeping her on the air.
I can’t believe they haven’t either fired her or put her on a “hiatus” or “suspension” that would lead to firing.
or at least told her NOT to comment on it anymore. being outspoken is one thing…being deliberately obtuse and victim blaming is another.
I don’t like her and I find her to be a rabbel rouser. But we can’t fire people because we don’t like their points of view. The constitution gives us freedom of speech. I don’t watch shows where peoples point of view offends me. Same applies to Trump: Don’t like his point on Mexicans? Then don’t vote for him in the primaries.
Actually private companies can fire anyone, at will. I’m not advocating for her dismissal, but the show is predictable and no one watches anyway, so I don’t understand the point of the long drawn out approach to putting it out of its misery.
I can’t believe that out of everyone on the View that has either left or been fired, she isn’t one of them. Oh well, it’s a long time since I’ve watched that show……
“But we can’t fire people because we don’t like their points of view.”
actually, yes, we can. freedom of speech means that the gov’t can put you in jail for speaking your mind. whoopi can stand on a street corner and yell about how she doesn’t think Cosby is guilty and the gov’t can’t incarcerate her for it, but her employer does have the right to fire her. just like all of the companies that “fired” trump after his hateful and bigoted comments.
freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences of speaking your mind. I don’t understand why this is so hard to grasp or why it has to be explained EVERY time it comes up.
Ugh…I HATE the “freedom of speech” arguments so much when people don’t understand what it actually means. Nobody’s suggesting we deny this idiot her constitutional rights.
Absolutely right about freedom of speech. That just means she’s not going to be arrested and face charges for what she says. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences resulting from what you say, and removing her from your private platform is not censorship. I wonder if she has a “morals” clause in her contract? I’m not advocating for her firing or silencing. I’m probably always going to come down on the side of free and open speech, even when it’s stupid. But no, her freedom of speech won’t be infringed upon if she gets fired.
Shame on ABC for keeping that entire show on the air. At this point The View is like a cesspool attempting to be a source of controversy and they’re all a bunch of morons. The show should’ve ended a long time ago, and althought Whoopi is of course entitled to her own opinion, I would personally like it if she could keep her opinion to herself. I can’t imagine defending a sex offender and rapist who drugs his victims and has now admitted to drugging women. It seems illogical that she would continue to defend him after his own admission.
+1!
I know I may be in the minority but I’ve always had a distaste for Whoopie. She’s outspoken and agenda driven to a fault. I sense she believes she’s original when she’s just a carbon copy of those around her. She wears her bias and entitlement with pride and won’t bend even in the face of facts. I wonder if she has someone in her ear, convincing her to espouse controversial perspectives. Or maybe she’s just that insulated and blindly ignorant.
As far as The View goes, it became an emotional soap opera years ago, drama revolving cast members and all. It’s just as trashy, imho, as any other reality tv show. I’ll celebrate the day when it’s pulled from the station’s lineup.
doofus & Juliet are correct–Freedom of speech does NOT equate to freedom from consequences. The first amendment specifically protects citizens from being jailed for their speech. Far too many Americans believe (incorrectly) that the first amendment guarantees the right to speak without repercussions. It does not.
Molly you in danger of being petitioned of the show girl.
ha, good one 😉
Disgusting and disgusting that people like this, who go time after time for “shame the victim” strategies when the abuser is one of their celebrity friends, are given a voice on the media without any reprimand. It’s just sad.
But this is huge now. Don’t you think this will have repercussions on her career? Other celebs are already starting calling her out on it…
Does this woman not realise that the statute of limitations is the reason he hasn’t been arrested, tried or convicted??!!
Just like her buddy Roman “it’s not rape rape” Polanski.
Polanski was arrested and convicted. He left the country before serving his sentence. Statute of limitations don’t apply to him.
Thank you for the reminder. I forgot. But she still defends a convicted rapist.
Speaking of rape rape, which one does she mean when saying “No one here thinks rape is good.”? I thought rape rape was bad bad rape’s fine, did I get it mixed up?
*bad but, lol
She sounds so stupid. She’s the type of person who will argue just to assert how right she is. She doesn’t care about the truth, only her pride.
She’s a sorry-ass sack of sh*t as far as I’m concerned.
Yes!!!
Agweeed. She’s splitting the f*ck out of some hairs here. What she’s asserting is comparable to someone saying “I killed a person, but I was never arrested for it, so the murder never actually happened.” Except, someone is still dead whether an arrest was made or not. The pain of assault doesn’t just go away because you don’t believe it happened. Her willful ignorance is disgusting and cruel to the women he raped.
Seriously. I can’t believe she’s this obtuse.
I want to punch her in the face. I can’t stand people who use “innocent until proven guilty” in situations like this. He CAN’T be proven guilty, you idiot from hell. He can’t be tried. Does that mean we are supposed to ignore all of the evidence against him and just let him keep prospering among us without any repercussions when every ounce of common sense in our brains tells us he’s guilty? Is the court system some kind of infallible god that never gets it wrong? How many people who were really guilty got off because evidence was withheld or the jury believed the wrong witness? How many innocent people have been found guilty for the same reasons? Can’t she think for herself? Gah!
“You idiot from hell”
Testify, GNATTY! Never stop.
GNAT- I agree! And the court does NOT agree with Whoppi since it was never taken to court. He was never tried & he settled with one victim. He was never found not guilty. She really needs to stfu.
GNAT
I’ve been in full agreement with every comment you’ve made on this so far
Her logic is so flawed. And her attacking alledged victims?
“Violators cannot live with the truth: survivors cannot live without it. There are those who still, once again, are poised to invalidate and deny us. If we don’t assert our truth, it may again be relegated to fantasy. But the truth won’t go away. It will keep surfacing until it is recognized. Truth will outlast any campaigns mounted against it, no matter how mighty, clever, or long.”
C. Oksana
@Shambles
“What she’s asserting is comparable to someone saying “I killed a person, but I was never arrested for it, so the murder never actually happened.””
Speking of which, what’s her stance on OJ? Is he innconet too in her little head?
All in all, she comes off as a really unintelligent person – to the point where she’s not even aware of it and will argue with everyone around thinking they’re fools. No idea why she’s being given a platform to spread her nonsense. She’s really not a person who has anything smart to say.
Actually Whoopi you are entitled to your opinion but I am entitled to mine
And I do not have to back off you just bc it makes you uncomfortable
If you are going to put your opinion out there
You must deal with the repercussions
Add to that you have a platform to broadcast your views. And you continue to do so. So please YOU BACK OFF acting like it’s an affront to you that people are responding unfavorably to you. You need to step off your high horse and accept that the COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION CAN AND WILL take him down – and perhaps you too – regardless of the court of law.
StormsMama, I agree 100% and wished the other women on the panel had the backbone to remind her of this very fact. Yes, she is entitled to an opinion, no matter how dim witted and long winded it may be (sounded like a drug induced rant) but the point of the ‘view’ (why is this show still on air???) is to be diverse in POV, and I would like to think, accepting in other people’s POV. Instead of doing what she’s suppose to – she being all defensive and taking it personally. Is that even in her contract? Also, I was distracted from her point when she started to rant about the mothers and how we, as mothers, should feel sorry for the situation – does Cosby even have a mother? I was confused. I understand what she was saying in that regard, but honestly, wtf does that have to do with anything?? What about all the ‘mothers’ of the women who were drugged and raped? Whoopi is a joke.
I don’t know why she’s so adamant about defending sexual predators. And just because someone hasn’t been convicted of what they’ve been accused of yet doesn’t mean they’re innocent.
You know, I was wondering that too and I hate to say it but it really makes me suspect if she might be one herself? Either that, or she may have been abused and shes so deep in denial that she defends and rationalizes predators behavior. Very sad either way.
I think you’re on to something, Snarky. Why else would she risk everything to defend him?!?! She has blinders on for some sick reason.
I believe BC paid Woopi to defend him. There isvno other reason for her defending him so blindly. Woopi is saying because one (1) woman falsely accused someone of rape that means 40 other woman are lying when they speak their truth. I know she can’t be that dense. Jmo.
Omg, you must be right.
That’s kind of what I was thinking too. Someone she’s very emotionally invested in must have done something to someone for her to be this completely irrational on the topic. She’s not JUST defending Cosby, I think the woman is carrying some dark secrets…
I was just going to say the same thing. It would explain why she continues to defend a sexual predator. What other reason could there be for a woman to defend the act of someone drugging and assaulting women?
Interesting…….it would certainly make some sense, I can’t see otherwise why she would defend something that loathsome.
That’s exactly what I was going to say. She’s splitting hairs…just because he wasn’t tried and convicted doesn’t mean that he’s innocent. Yeesh. Whoopi needs to shut up and go away.
She’s dead to me.
+1
Same here @ Minx. I’ve listen to her give some off the chart opinions in the past but this one is the nail in the coffin.
@Aussie girl –
I know how you feel. I listed to an interview she did with Howard Stern about 6+ months ago and was really, really trying to keep my opinion positive because she did have a lot of interesting things to say. She was also frank without being annoying, which was appreciated. But this … Oh, Whoopi. How could you????
She’s been dead to me for long time. From her hatred for women to her defending of rapist and racist douchebags, I can’t even stand to hear her name or look at her at this point. And the Sister act movies are some of my faves. Shame.
Why does she hate women so much?
You took the words right out of my mouth. All of her comments with regard to several controversial situations are a direct affront to women.
Whoopi has been and always will be Whoopi! Her point of view on different topics even before The View use to make people wonder about her. But many, including me use to and will love her for her comedic timing and honesty. I can go on and on why people who disagree with public opinion, like Whoopi should not be afraid to speak their mind. Seriously, people were sending her nasty and violent messages, how normal is that.
By the comments Whoopi has made over the years since being on the View, is she being paid to make such far out statements? Would anyone even be watching or paying attention to that show if she didn’t say such things? I don’t know what would be worse, her actually believing what she says or finding out she is being paid to make such extremely divisive statements.
I think she plays the role of provocateur on the show. I’m not sure how much she is truly invested in those opinions, until she is challenged on them, and then I think her stubbornness forces her to be locked into whatever she first said. On the other hand, her opinions have become remarkably predictable, (we all called it), so at this point, why bother challenging her?
She keeps moving the needle further and further away with her own level of burden of proof.
That said, internet TROLLS, stop it. Stop threatening harm and death on people. It’s ridiculous.
She’s not playing a role. She might have been hired because of her dissenting views but I’m certain that those views are 100% hers.
Recall that this is the woman who defended Ted Danson’s cringe worthy blackfaced, n-word ridden monologue at her roast: “Let’s get these words all out in the open. It took a whole lot of courage to come out in blackface in front of 3,000 people. I don’t care if you didn’t like it. I did.”
And that was 20 years ago, well before she was on The View. The woman has a history of defending the indefensible.
This is who she is, full-stop.
@NewWester you’re right, she is the designated “shit-stirrer” on the show. This show has been grasping at straws the last few years in a desperate attempt to stay relevant. I do also believe that she may be having difficulty accepting that Bill is a horrible person and sincerely feel this way though.
I’m wondering if she’s doing it to get off the show and still get paid. I don’t know if it’s true or not but I’ve heard she wants out. This would be one way to do it. I guess.
He admitted in court documents drugging women for sex. Drugged, unconscious women cannot consent to sex. That was the point, he liked to have sex with them unaware, helpless and without agency. That is rape. Was he lying when he confessed Whoopi? Forty plus women with the same story, multiple eyewitnesses and his confession. Seriously……
+1. Blows my mind that Whoopi is really defending a man who has admitted to being a rapist by admitting that he drugged women to have sex with them. This is gross behavior on her part.
Whoopi is an idiot. Period. ABC should take “The View” off the air. The show is dead.
As the mother of 3 sons, I agree with you. Pull this show off the air. Whoopie is so hard to watch. It’s a joke now.
Whoopie is the only thing keeping that show alive, like it or not. Her stilted positions on things is the only press that the show gets. Otherwise, no one pays attention.
If she’s the only thing keeping the show alive, then maybe it’s time to let the show die.
That time has long since past, as far as I am concerned, Izzy.
By her standards, no one ever accused of a crime would be guilty of the crime. Everyone who is charged and tried could use that excuse: “Well, I’ve never been CONVICTED of this crime, so therefore I’m not guilty.”
Actually, that is not just her standard but it is the Constitutional standard in US courts. If there is a trial and the person is not convicted, the person is not guilty unless he pleads guilty.
That said, I do think Cosby is guilty
‘Not guilty’ does not = innocent, as we all know, as far as courts go.
I thought Whoopi didn’t care what people thought of her regarding her defense of Cosby (that’s By the way, if people are threatening her, why hasn’t SHE gone to the police or the FBI about it? I didn’t see anything about that. As for her tenure on The View, if ABC lose viewers and advertisers over this, I think Whoopi is gone.
She really doesn’t get it. Even IF he procured these drugs for these women and they then took them voluntarily (which is unlikely, but let’s run with that for a second) – it’s still rape to do it with them after they ingest the drugs. Ludes are very serious meds that result in some serious changes to your mental state. Even if she ingested them on her own accord, sleeping with a woman who is in a seriously compromised state – when you are not – is rape. Or, if it’s not rape, it’s seriously morally sleazy and unethical. So at the absolute best, Cosby has revealed himself to be a sleazy, gross, ethically compromised dirtbag – and that’s doing the reading most favorable to him! Whoopi needs to realize that the rules of court don’t apply on the View – each person is free to draw their own conclusions. And we are free to conclude that she is an idiot.
Trump got fired for bigotry against an entire class of people.. Why not her for slander against specific women?
As for the Duggars? With actual admissions of guilt?
Seems corporate chieftains are still more complacent about sexual assault of women.
But, Whoopie, there’s no proof that people have been threatening you! What are we supposed to do, just believe what you say? That’s crazy talk.
Right?!? No one has been arrested or convicted or admitted guilt so obviously it didn’t happen.
Ugh, this bitch.
BOOM!
This woman is such a stupid POS. I really hope this means the end of The View. I really can’t stand any of those women…the original cast of the The View was already annoying. I never believed things could actually get worse but it has. Just take this show of the air! It’s embarrassing for women. And it sickened me to see the women in the audience applauding like trained monkeys. Appalling.
He admitted to drugging women in court documents. And even then Beverly Johnson put it best when she said that it should not have taken this much for people to believe what she and other women had said about Cosby’s use of drugs to assault women. Dozens of women has come forward before the recent release of court documents, and people like Whoppi just bury their heads in the sand.
So, on a show created for women, and watched almost exclusively by women, Whoopi is defending someone who has admitted under oath in a court proceeding that he purchased and used drugs to get women to have sex with him. And ABC hasn’t fired her WHY?
Well, the thing is, she’s right. The correctness of her statement in this particular matter does not make apology for anyone or invalidate anyone. She’s not saying what should be done, what has happened, or who she does or doesn’t believe. The court of public opinion is undoubtedly correct, but lucky for all of us there is an actual court system. I know this is an unpopular view, but it is the rational view. We all hope he will come to justice, but the conviction in our hearts is not the same as a conviction in court. Surely you must all know that.
That’s not really what she’s saying, and we all know that. Using the measure of the court system does not prove that one opinion is correct. If that were the case, it could be argued that police brutality against black people never or rarely happens because people aren’t convicted or charged. Or that domestic abuse rarely occurs because abusers aren’t charged or convicted. Or that Wall Street Bankers weren’t criminals because they never went to jail.
I do think that’s exactly what she’s saying. I could be wrong, but that’s how it sounds to me.
I think you’re making a false equivalency. Saying that someone hasn’t had due process isn’t the same as saying that an event didn’t occur.
It’s exactly THE SAME thing. She is saying he hasn’t gone to jail, and through the court system, hence nothing happened because it hasn’t been proven in a court.
Saying that someone isn’t convicted and hasn’t had their day in court isn’t the same thing as denying the truth of the victims.
She doesn’t believe the victims, full stop. And my examples above do apply. No one has placed Cosby in prison without due process, a right to a speedy trial and with adequate representation. His rights are intact as far as government action. If he was wrongfully imprisoned without this process, I could see her fighting for constitutional rights, but that isn’t the issue at all here. She is saying that the victims haven’t proven ANYTHING To her. Which is fine, have an unpopular opinion, but don’t take the route that because you refuse to see any of the victims as credible, that somehow you are operating on some different standard than anyone else. Again, she supported Polansky, even though he was convicted, she insisted it wasn’t ‘rape-rape’. She would be more honest if she just said she chooses not believe any allegations, even though there is a pattern and even though that pattern included allegations of being drugged, for which Cosby admitted, himself, in court documents.
So you’re ignoring the statute of limitations just like Whoopi huh?
As I said on a recent thread, redirecting the conversation to make it about Cosby’s presumed innocence and not about the 46 women who were drugged and raped is effectively attempting to silence these women. I’m not going to stand for that sh*t. Instead of worrying about “poor Bill Cosby”, how about we put the focus back on Cosby’s victims where it belongs?
I’m not worried a bit about him and I hope that a victim comes forward who can make this stick. As I said above, noting an important distinction between public conviction and court conviction doesn’t make someone an apologist.
You have to take her opinion in the context of everything she has said up to this point. She defended Polansky, even though Polansky WAS convicted in a court of law. She is wrapping herself in the flag on Cosby, as a last ditch effort to dignify her prior opinion that she believed none of the victims.
@ Strah-If it was anyone else, I might give her the benefit of the doubt, but as Kiddo said, this is what Whoopi does. She redirects and deflects when people call her out on her sh*t.
I think her stance is best summarized in this portion of her comment: “We all have a very important role to play when it comes to abuse and rape.”
Within the context of her defense of Cosby’s innocence, it’s clear that she thinks our “role” is to protect and defend the rapist and put the onus on the victims to prove that a rape occurred. This is how, as a society, we’ve helped to create a rape culture–one that makes victims feel afraid to come forward for fear that no one will believe them.
Forget about Cosby’s right to be presumed innocent, what about these women’s right to be believed?
The court of public opinion can’t put someone in jail, but it can effectively strip someone of their career. That’s what has happened to Cosby as a result of his actions. He still has his freedom. He has his wealth. He is still a VERY lucky man. I refuse to feel bad for him because some people have already “convicted” him, even if he hasn’t been convicted in a court of law. F*ck the judicial system and the statute of limitations that let these women down.
Kitten – you’re right, I really don’t know the back story about Whoppi or where her motivations come from. I’m just going on what was quoted above, which seemed pretty rational to me.
The quote you mention about the important role to play, I’m not sure that she is intending that to be in defense of his innocence. In the very next sentence she says that if it’s true he should be severely punished. I think that her statement just comes across as letting us know she is waiting to reserve final judgment until a conviction is made. This stance does not deny the victims, it asks for justice.
His right to be presumed innocent does not negate the women’s right to be believed, they can (and do) exist together. Being for justice does not mean being against victims, exactly the opposite. As you said, public opinion can only do so much, to make this real for him and to bring some measure of relief to his victims it needs to go through the courts.
strah, she knows FULL WELL that the statute of limitations has expired. There can not be a conviction. She is setting up an impossible standard of ‘justice’, that will not and can not be met. It’s entirely disingenuous.
The fact that she still has a platform to spew her angry, aggressive trash talk is ree damn diculous. She knows that the statue of limitations has expired. She should shut her mouth!
Shameful as hell!
I don’t understand why Whoopi is upset at the people who called her out because of her opinion. Whoopi said she did not care what people have to say about her defending BC. The people who called her out have a right to their opinion and she should back off, just like she is asking others to back off of her. Whoopi, if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Innocent until proven guilty is the legal standard for sending someone to prison– and should be.
My own personal standards for who I will stand up for, speak well of, and protect are a hell of a lot lower. Look, Cosby ADMITTED under oath to forcibly drugging women in order to have sex with them. This is rape. He ADMITTED it. 40 women have come forward with exactly the same story. What more does this stupid woman need to know?
The statute of limitations is the ONLY thing keeping him out of jail. Does she even know what an SOL is? It means that no matter how much evidence there is, you can’t prosecute.
And why doesn’t anyone else on the panel challenge Whoopi with that fact?
Are they afraid to incur her wrath? If they all just sit and let her spout this crap, are they
also not agreeing with her…. ????
I haven’t watched that show in a long time, and I hope it gets cancelled.
Maybe she could join the DONALD in his useless caper. They each lack some common sense, and thinking skills and yet have a massive platform to spout nonsense.
Yep. They just sit there and say nothing. Cowards is what they are. Just like all the many so called “good” cops who keep their mouths shut when one in their ranks commits abuses and crimes against the public. It’s beyond shameful.
I found this on another website talking about what happened to Choe Gains.
“If arraigned and convicted of sexual assault, Bill Cosby under California law faces a maximum 48 months jail sentence, as well as a possible $10,000 fine, depending on mitigating and aggravating factors”
That’s IT?? That doesn’t seem like much of a punishment for sexual assault. Ugh. I’m thinking more along the lines of gelding him…
I head that Disney removed the Cosby statue from their Hollywood Themes park in the dead of night. And when asked about it they were all, “Huh? What statue?” Heheh.
That’s the criminal sentence and yes, it is slight but for repeat offenders and sexual predators many states also have a civil commitment process, which adjudicates the person as sexually dangerous and institutionalizes them. The criminal statute of limitations has no real bearing. They get an automatic review/appeal every few years but this can and does usually result in many years in prison and even life sentences
I don’t know what else to say about her. It’s just dumbfounding.
I have never watched The View. I have of course seen some of the movies she was in. I loved “Ghost” and “Sister Act” was cute when I was younger. Now I can’t even look at her without wanting to barf and kick something. I am of course horrified that she is getting threats. I am deeply concerned that some freak might try to hurt her or her family…oh, wait. I forgot. She has an important role to play in this. so I guess it’s okay for her to be afraid of getting hurt by someone, but 40 women with the same story of being attacked aren’t worth her time or her compassion? Uh huh.Take a seat, lady.
So you have to be sitting in jail to be guilty. What about the people sitting in jail who are innocent? Hasn’t she heard of statute of limitations? She is so stupid. I don’t think people should threaten her or her family of course, but she is being a moron apologist. Come on, she knows that man did all that. I want to know what is it going to take for her to finally admit it? It’s staring her right in the face and she still wants to hold on to some stupid reasoning. She was like this about Roman Polanski and Mel Gibson too.
By Whoopi’s logic, we shouldn’t blame Hitler for the deaths of millions of people. After all, he was never arrested, never charged with anything, never saw the inside of a courtroom. …..so I guess we should all get off poor Hitler’s back? After all, he was never PROVEN guilty.
Its the same logic Woody Allen defenders use so they can sit back and enjoy his movies and be in his movies with a clear conscience.
So much hate. I love Whoopi. I love her: ” Back off me!”
I like Whoopi too. I get where she’s coming from. It’s really hard to accept when someone you admire and respect has done terrible things.
I don’t hate Whoopie at all. I think she is misguided.
Whoopi is a shitstain of a hater,her defense of perverts makes me suspect her. Boycott all sponsors of the View–avoid every product they advertise. We can shut that show down!
I think Chichi up thread has a brilliant theory into how and why Whoopi is the way she is. The more people take her to task for her comments, the more she’s going to double down. I think the pathology goes so deep at this point that she’ll never change.
+1
Her stance that he’s innocent because he hasn’t been brought up on charges or gone to jail makes no sense because the statute of limitations has expired. No matter how much proof comes to light, he will not be charged or go to jail for raping 40+ women in the 70s. The best we can hope for at this point, is civil suits and a lot of them to ruin him financially, but he will still not do time even if he’s sued by all the women and found guilty at every civil trial. So, in this particular instance, falling back on “innocent until proven guilty” at least criminally, doesn’t apply. And saying you’re not going to see him as guilty unless he’s charged criminally and goes to jail holds no water because it’s never going to happen – no matter the proof. I’m thinking this is her motive in saying it – that she knows he’ll never go to jail for it, so she can stand by him and defend him forever because he’ll never go to jail for it. I got your number Whoopie. You aint slick. Keep trying to hang with the boys!
I see no difference between Whoopi and the people who excuse the Duggars for their sexual abuse coverup.
Loved Whoopi as Guinan in Star Trek. Still love the character. Whoopi, not so much. Take a seat girlfriend.
She hates women…I mean REALLY hates women. *my opinion*
Whoopie doesn’t hate women.She is coming from a place where her career was almost destroyed by rumors about her that everyone believed.Also she has been friends with Bill for 30years.
I never heard any rumors about her.
Also, this wouldn’t explain her stance on Polanski, who was actually convicted of raping a young girl. Her position goes WAY beyond a sense of loyalty and/or guarding against unfounded rumor.
You have over 40 women saying the exact same thing and still people are defending him! Are you kidding me? He’s not in jail because our justice system is fked up and doesn’t take women seriously!
You are right, our justice system is fled up. BC settled the case, in 2005 with cash so they did not proceed further with the case. If he did not paid up, he would have been likely convicted of rape. So for Whoopi to say he was not arrested, is nonsense. If. He did not settle with the accused he would likely be in jail, Whoopi. If he was innocent, why did he not asked to take the case forward and cleared his name. Anyway, the truth has came out in the sworn document from a US court of law.
Oh, please, Whoopi. What in the world is wrong with you?
How can possibly any human being defend someone who said such horrific words as Cosby did in his testimony of 2005??? What kind of monster would side with him???
So, 40+ women just made these extraordinary accusations out of the blue against Cosby, some of these women are old in their 40’s and 50’s, why would they all conspire to destroy him???Why???
Some people like denial when it suits them.
The victims are not Cosby or Whoopi, but those poor women that have to live with what Cosby did to them every day for the rest of their lives.
PLEASE FIRE WHOOPI, ABC, she is indeed stupid and lacks human compassion and empathy.
I don’t care for her “View”.
Well, it’s sad for the 40+ women and all the crap they have to live with on a daily basis because of what happened to them. I believe them, damn 40 + women! Come on! Why do you need it to be official in court? There should be a law that overlooks the SOL in cases like this.
Anyways, I’m thinking the man’s life will never be the same. He will no longer have that image to hide behind, no longer have that power to drug and rape now that his true self is revealed. He’s been doing it for so long, do you think he’s just going to stop? It’s clearly a habit, a thrill for him, and like so many habitual sex abusers, without proper therapy and monitoring, the risk of reoffending is high. He will NEVER be able to recover from this. Makes me wonder who his next victim will be – hopefully an undercover agent.
Lisa Bonet – where are you, girl … !???
She’s off f*cking Jason Momoa.
Wouldn’t you be?
Well the thing in the Cosby case is that he has actually admitted having inappropriate behavior with many of the women listed as victims. So obviously while technically the term “innocent till proven guilty” can be use in this case, it’s not constitutionally correct as he has accepted some of the charges against him BUT because of the statue of limitation that unfortunately most common law countries have (the UK hasn’t), so a claim cannot be filed in court. That’s why he isn’t in jail, not because he hasn’t been on trial or clear of all charges. It’s a different stroke, as for example (obviously superficially, as they couldn’t be more far from each other) one could say the Woody Allen case applies in the “innocent till proven guilty” principle as for better or for worse juridically he was tried and found innocent (read the court hearings documented), so one can merely speculate and make their own assumptions. Cosby has actually confessed a crime, so it’s different.
“it’s not constitutionally correct” Actually, constitutionally correct is the only thing it is.
Whoopi… There are LOADS of criminals that aren’t in jail…
She’s such an apologist for the WORST people. I don’t understand that mentality. Sometimes people are guilty buy their OWN admission, outside of a court of law.
Pfft. Trick, sit down. No sane person wants to snatch your family – although if you’re filling your family’s head with your garbage, it might be a mercy mission. So, you can stop using a few deranged trolls to represent the sane rest-of-the-world that can figure out how much smoke adds up to fire (especially when the arsonist ADMITS it, FFS).
Head-up-the-butt apologists like you are the REASON men like Cosby don’t get taken off to jail, or at least put on trial to answer accusations without the aid of doormen and publicists…. because you never give up pointing in the other direction and screaming, of making it about EVERYTHING but what it’s actually about. Michael Vick wasn’t suffering PTSD flashbacks brought on by age-old enmity between black men and white people’s dogs. He was an indulged selfish ass who made money off the pain of animals because he could. Roman Polanski isn’t a tragic pawn in the battle between art and puritanism. He’s an old guy who got a little girl drunk/drugged so he could get his penis into her. And your precious Cosby isn’t some shining lesson on due process for us fascists. He’s just a poster boy for how money and power can shield you from that process.
The four of you can collectively shove it.
Some people are just naturally uncomfortable with groupthink and lynch mob mentalities, though.
My maternal grandparents are WWII concentration camp survivors- it was drummed into me from a very early age to be distrustful of the judgement of any Court Of Popular Opinion.
Chinese Cultural Revolution is a pretty good indicator that 4, 40, 4,000, 40,000 or 4 million people can say something is true but that doesn’t make it so.
I have family history which may be similar but with a different philosophical outcome. And that is be wary of blindly trusting authority on its surface/ @ face value. A little more critical groupthink might have headed off the incessant propaganda coming from the top and allowing wolves in sheeps’ clothing from gaining power and perpetrating abuses.
Oh wow, have just seen this video. What is wrong with Whoopi?
Between Cosby and Duggar, I really, really, REALLY think we need to remove the statute of limitations for sexual crimes. Especially because it sometimes takes victims a long time to feel like they can come forward. I’m serious. I think we need to start petitions or something.
Yes. Especially since there are many states where rape kits get backed up for testing for YEARS!
Leaving Cosby’s guilt aside for a sec, Whoopi’s welcome to her opinion, and obviously she’s a staunch friend. I’d want someone like that in my corner. Janice’s call to have her fired is taking it too far, imo. Whoopi’s loyality is misplaced, but that’s all it is. Misplaced loyalty. Who knows why? More concerning is the lynch mob mentality that wants to destroy her. Folks, Whoopi DIDN’T DO IT.
Meh, Whatever rights Whoopi has, Janice has as well, not that I agree with either.
Absolutely, Whoopi is entitled to any opinion she wishes and so am I in this United States of America, but people will have their say too about Whoopi’s words.
I legally emigrated to America over 20 years ago and I strongly believe in freedom, especially coming from my home country that locked up it’s citizens for expressing their views and worse.
I firmly stand by the victims and completely disagree with Whoopi’s opinion.
She should be ashamed of herself, 40+ women didn’t just wake up one day and accused Cosby of such heinous crimes for kicks.
If there is this much smoke, there must be some good size fire!!!!!
Yes, that’s a point. I guess I’m reacting to what seems like mounting bloodthirst, where it’s not enough to disagree with Whoopi, she must also be beaten down, and be made to pay — by losing their job, being blackballed, whatever. And that is not about free speech or simply disagreeing, that is the internet lynch mob. And we’re starting to see more instances where people way amped up over something in the internet echo chamber and then taking it out in real life. It’s not about whoopi as much as it is about the internet rage.
One more note: Janice calling for Whoopi’s firing is more of a direct response to Whoopi calling Janice’s accusations not credible, or otherwise unproven, as far as her blanket statement on all of the alleged victims. In that sense, Whoopi did directly challenge Janice’s assertions, and in a round about way, a potential liar. Again, you can share either’s opinions or neither’s opinions. But there was a direct ‘hit’, if you will, from Whoopi to Janice.
I agree! I saw Janice and her lawyer interviewed on CNN. Janice had trouble speaking. The lawyer said Cosby will have to appear in court in October and he will be under oath.
He hasnt been taken to jail because there is a statue of limitations. Doesn’t make him innocent.
Uuuhhgh she needs to go away
Many Nazis never served jail time or were punished for their crimes. Innocent until …taken to jail? Hm, I don’t think so, b-tch.
Whoopi is dumb, ugly and unpleasant. Terrible combination.