I actually feel sorry for Melania Trump a little bit. Her husband is a dog-poo-covered train crashing into a dumpster fire, but I guess people are like “Donald Trump’s insanity is the New Normal,” so Melania is being nitpicked to death. Of course, she brought some of this on herself. No one forced her to go out on stage at the RNC and plagiarize Michelle Obama. I’m not even entirely sure it was her fault, but we’ll probably never know. But on the other hand, she never expected to be anything other than a trophy wife to a reality show personality, and trophy wives are held to a different standard than the soul-crushing standards for political spouses. This week’s big Melania kerfuffle is actually a rumor that’s been circulating for months. I remember hearing something vague about it a while back, but now even People Magazine is saying that Melania Trump has probably been lying for years about having earned a college degree.
Melania Trump’s official website has been wiped from the Internet after questions arose recently over whether the site’s claim that she holds a college degree is in fact true. MelaniaTrump.com now reroutes to the homepage of the Trump Organization’s website, the extensive biography page of which bears no mention of Donald Trump’s wife. However, screengrabs from her former website obtained by the Huffington Post show that she claimed to have earned “a degree in design and architecture at University in Slovenia” before pursuing her modeling career.
Additionally, much of the 46-year-old’s biography on the 2016 Republican National Convention’s website echoes the wording used on her former website, including her claim of “obtaining a degree in design and architecture at University in Slovenia.”
However, a recent GQ profile of Trump said she “decamped to Milan after her first year of college, effectively dropping out.” And a new unauthorized biography of the former model, Melania Trump: The Inside Story, claims that Trump’s educational history was fabricated in order to maintain a certain image, The Hill reports.
“[Donald Trump and his advisers] were desperate to give off the impression that the Slovenian model was not just beautiful, but also smart and well-educated,” the biographers claim.
Trump’s education came into question earlier this month after it was discovered that her GOP convention speech plagiarized parts of a 2008 speech by Michelle Obama. Although Trump originally claimed to have written the entire speech herself, a Trump campaign staffer soon took responsibility for the plagiarism, claiming that Trump had sent her passages of Obama’s speech as inspiration for her own speech but the staffer failed to change the wording of those passages.
I’m including some of the screencapped images from Melania’s website (before it got taken down), which HuffPo thoughtfully grabbed. HuffPo also notes that if Trump’s advisors wanted to make Melania sound smart/educated, they were certainly worried about it a long time ago, because chica has been lying about her education since 2012 or earlier.
Much like the plagiarized speech, I don’t understand why the Trump campaign is incapable of simply admitting a mistake and apologizing. But the Donald is never wrong, and neither is Melania, apparently. I also don’t understand why we would have to be sold on this idea that Melania is secretly brilliant. I mean…come on. We know she’s not a genius.
Also: imagine the glee with which the Republicans would have taken down a Democratic spouse if said spouse had lied about their education.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
Yea not surprising.
This election is a complete circus. Junior Trump also tried to say Obama plagiarized him before taking it back as “a joke”. You got Donald dancing around treason with every statement and the world wondering if he should have the nuclear codes. And this guy is still polling ahead of Clinton in tons of polls. It’s scary
On the other side a much more sane but still a circus. At least we’ve had great speeches the entire week but the DNC needs to do something to court the voters they thought would easily jump to her camp. And no I’m not just talking Bernie supporters but independents as well. She won’t win without them. Smh
Most shocking thing is how many republicans actually praised Obama’s speech. It’s amazing really considering they didn’t want to work with the guy at all. Idiots all around
I had no idea that trump was ahead in some polls. That is scary. My worry is that a majority of sexist Democrat’s won’t vote for Hillary because she’s a woman and will end up voting for trump…. I’m really worried about that….
That’s why they picked a moderate old white guy as her running mate. Elizabeth Warren would be far too much left wing estrogen for the world to handle.
He got a convention bump. They don’t always last
Don’t pay attention to any of the polls. They ask like a hundred people and that’s supposed to represent 200 million voters. It’s nonsense. Trump won’t win because he cannot win over women voters, blacks, hispanics, muslims, or sane people. He has the racist vote, that’s all. Not enough. The only way Trump will win in November is through voter disenfranchisement and I wouldn’t put it past him or the Rethugs. They’re all low-lifes.
Agree with @kanyekardashian
I work in market research, and oftentimes polls are not run properly and skewed the sample one way or another. People like to trot out “the polls” without really looking at who they’re targeting, and only use the ones that support their position (confirmation bias).
Not to say polls aren’t important, it’s just that few are done properly and shouldn’t be used.
I don’t place much stock in polls, even exit polls on the day-of-election. It’s not over until the last vote is counted, as Obama pointed out in an interview this week. Never be complacent.
There is a website called fivethirtyeight.com that’s worth reading if you’re interested in polls. They have very sophisticated ongoing forecast models updated with the latest polls, appropriately weighted for the quality of the firm that conducted it (which they publish, along with their assessment), weighted for recency, bias and size of the poll. You can read their methodology if such things interest you. They called 50 out of 50 states last presidential election cycle. Their current models say that Trump would be the more likely winner if the election were held today, but that Clinton still has slightly better odds in November (all of their models are probabilistic). I’m personally hoping to see a DNC convention bounce very soon.
538 are definitely the ones to listen to. Individual polls should be taken with a grain of salt, but overall, polls are generally accurate. The polls were predicting a very close Brexit result but the markets didn’t listen, and suffered accordingly. Nate Silver knows what he’s talking about.
Leesa, their projections cannot possibly take into account the limitless potential for foot-in-mouth of Trump, his family, and his staffers. A lot can happen between now and November, and if anyone can alienate people, it’s Trump.
However, I hold my right to vote dear and will be out on Election Day. Use it or lose it!
68% of people polled “didn’t trust Clinton” when the DNC started. I don’t know how much it has changed since.
What’s crazy is that you could vote for the Greens but majority of voters still pick the war mongering and planet destroying Dems or GOP.
Because those are the only realistic picks. But, go ahead, be sanctimonious, stand on your principles and give the election to Trump.
Which is mostly how George W Bush came to be president. Ralph Nader siphoned off votes from Al Gore.
“Politics is the art of the possible.” It is not possible that the Greens will win. It is possible that Trump will.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
I’m not going to change your mind if you’re using “Jill. Not Hill” as your Gravatar handle, but Greens are simply not a viable party. Country-wide, they have like 119 people in elected positions. Oh, but that’s so many people, Eggy Weggs. Yeah, but that’s 119 out of 520,000 elected positions in the United States.
You know, Ralph Nader’s schtick was cute in 1999/2000…and then we had W for president.
Right. Which is why you’re throwing away your vote ala Nader 2000 and possibly giving us Trump. Once again, like before – no, dems and repubs are not the same. The next President will be appointing at least 2-3 SCOTUS which if repub could end choice, end basic rights. They will rescind affordable health care act, probably institute a ground war for their cronies, etc. Just like Al Gore was not the same as Cheney, Clinton is not the same as Trump. I often wonder if the towers would still be standing, 6000 American soldiers would still be alive, Katrina would have not been nearly as deadly,isis may not be here, and certainly over a qtr million people in ME would still be alive – if only that theft hadn’t occurred.
Now here you are wishing the same tragedies on us.
Lastly, my guess is a fake degree in ‘design, ‘ made her seem more believable on QVC as a credible (made cheaply and in China) costume jewelry designer.
Except Jill Stein isn’t very smart. She panders to the wingnut left. I’m a mother of a kid with an autism spectrum disorder, and she’s kissed the hind ends of the “toxins” and anti-vax crowd for years. Her beliefs and the policies she espouses on the issue of autism alone are so poorly informed, so contrary to any science and evidence, that it’s impossible for me to believe that she has the cognitive ability to serve as a leader in any way. Either that or she knows better and is throwing disabled kids and their families under the bus to score votes.
Sometimes I have a kind of grudging admiration for the kind of willful determination Greens have in ignoring reality in exchange for the naive, privileged belief that their candidate not only has a chance of being elected, but also that a magical utopia will develop immediately thereafter.
And then I remember the terrible stakes we are all playing for right now, and then I wish they’d grow up, face reality and start directing that energy towards getting those third party candidates in at local levels so everyone starts knowing their names and sees that they have accumulated actual experience instead of just appearing out of nowhere to talk about how easy it would be to like, change everything.
But that’s not as fun or easy as booing people, staging walkouts and throwing temper tantrums, I guess.
I voted for Nader in 2000 and I deeply regret the years that followed with Bush as president. How different would the entire world be had Gore been elected? I voted for Nader (I live in CA where it didn’t affect electoral votes) because I hate the two party system and want to see matching funds for third, fourth, and fifth parties. A multi-party system cannot be achieved during presidential elections alone. We need to play the long game and get involved in local and state politics, build more parties from the ground up. There really, truly are only two viable choices for President: Clinton or Trump. A vote for Stein is, unfortunately, siphoning votes away from Clinton because Stein is in no position to even possibly win this election. I also believe that if you abstain from voting in protest, you must be privelaged enough to ride out whatever comes next with not just one, but probably several Supreme Court seats up for grabs over the next 4-8 years. If you are a woman, minority, gay, or care about these group’s rights, then it’s important to look at what is really at stake.
Yeah! We should totally vote for the anti-vaxer who can’t even get elected in her home state! That’ll show ’em!
Ivan_Hernandez
I’m proBernie but would vote Hillary as I am a one issue voter and that issue is not opening the seventh seal and ushering in the apocalypse
https://twitter.com/ivan_hernandez/status/694388187284795392
team grabbyhands!
But Bush wasn’t elected in 2000. Remember Florida? The Supreme Court stepped in and shut the count down. The Supreme Court called the election, not the people.
Sorry I blame the Greens/Nadar for the W years so I will never vote for that party. Plus the idea of a small potato party grabbing the biggest elected position ever is ludicrous. It may happen when we’re all long dead but as of now, the Greens are not a viable option. Voting Green is giving Orangino the vote.
Sorry.
the majority of Americans, even many of us progressives know that Jill Stein is arrogant, overbearing and absolutely unqualified for the position of president.
I’m still wrapping my head around her anti vax stance
Jill Stein is an anti-vaxxer. No one should be voting for her, for any reason.
Nadar didn’t ruin anything, it all came down to Florida. Gore didn’t even ask for a recount, he let Bush have it. He should have had a backbone. And where is Gore these days? He turned into such a wimp.
@Jill.Not Hill., who wrote: “What’s crazy is that you could vote for the Greens but majority of voters still pick the war mongering and planet destroying Dems or GOP.”
Democrats voting for ‘the Greens’ (Ralph Nader, the Bernie Sanders of his day) is what got us President George W. Bush back in 2000 (or at least, allowed the Bushes to cheat just enough to win the election). Alas, the American ‘Presidential Bar’ was forever lowered with Dubya, wherein the press wrote about him being a ‘Good ‘ol boy they’d like to have a drink with’ rather than truing vetting his ass (Dubya wasn’t only a ‘C’ student and former alcoholic, he was a former heavy cocaine user as well with an arrest record). If not for him, Trump’s campaign wouldn’t even be a possibility.
Al Gore is a patriot. He conceded, for the good of the country, after that appalling Supreme Court decision that they now disavow as precedent and want to pretend never happened.
She heals people with her magic “crystals” and is an anti-vaxxer. No way would I vote for an anti-science or a looney toon like that.
For those saying it wasn’t Nader’s fault, it came down to Florida and Supreme Court. Umm, would it have come down to Florida of Gore had won another swing state. I love Mader, but I don’t appreciate how the Green’s seem to only come out for the biggest race possible. I rarely see Rhein campaigning for local and state elections. If you want to really make a difference, start at the local level and build a viable third party option.
@grabbyhands, I really wanted to vote Green in the last election, but I knew voting Green was a waste of time because they weren’t going to win and worse, I was risking another term with Harper at the helm and that chance I couldn’t take.
The only thing not scary about the polling is that most Americans don’t tune in until August. How they have missed these last few months, I don’t understand, but I expect a big convention bounce and Orange to slowly fade to black.
Yup, I keep reminding myself “convention bounce, convention bounce” and I can’t imagine after the DNC that Hillary won’t climb back up in the polls again.
I agree with the pair of you – Trump was riding the RNC bounce and, soon enough, Hillary will be riding the DNC bounce. I, for one, am very happy with the way that the DNC responded to the RNC – messages of unity & “we” to counter Trump’s message of “me.”
She’ll get a good bounce from this, y’all – don’t worry.
I have friends who refuse to watch the news or read anything political. It is possible to bubble yourselves.
Andrea, I don’t watch a lot of news. Its all doom, gloom and surface. They don’t take the time to delve deeply into any of the many issues. It’s why so many people are angry and ignorant. Would it kill the news to go deeper? I’m going back to reading my news.
I haven’t been watching or reading the news because of the dearth of actual skilled investigative journalism. (Maybe some sources on the internet are worth it). Trump has a big mansion, there have to be a lot of closets in it…
Wednesday’s speeches including President Obama’s and Bloomberg’s were all targeted at the Independents and disaffected Republicans. Even the press picked that up right away and wondered how the Bernie or Burst voters will take it.
As of Friday, it was being reported that 80% of Bernie’s voters were switching to Hillary already. The remaining vocal 20% are mainly (not all) Republicans and Independents who are ex Occupy-Wallstreet people. They don’t care about issues such as women’s equality, abortion, children’s welfare issues, poverty, Supreme Court choices, International policy, Black Lives Matter, etc. Their first and last concern is corruption on Wallstreet. They will NEVER be convinced that Hillary is not “corrupt” because she gave speeches to their enemies.
Half of them want to vote for Trump to blow up the system and see what comes from the ashes and the other half will vote for an independent candidate. I will much prefer Hillary put her attention on the rest of the disinfected Republicans if only to get them NOT to vote for Trump. I’m honestly sick of the Bernie Bros/gals with their lack of facts and whining.
I’m with you T.C.
“Half of them want to vote for Trump to blow up the system and see what comes from the ashes”
This isn’t an episode of Mr. Robot folks. You can not play out the fantasy of dismantling the system on real people’s lives and rights.
Me too, and do you realize what happened with probable auto correction? “I will much prefer Hillary put her attention on the rest of the disinfected Republicans”
If only we could disinfect the Republican voters and the entire sick party!
These Occupy Wallstreeters are unrealistic. They do know every politician is shaded various shades of grey right? You just vote for the one you can live with. If someone told you Orangino isn’t corrupt, then I have a nice bridge in New York I can sell them.
And you just know they’re all a bunch of hypocrites. Those Occupy Wall Streeters didn’t have any jobs to go to for all the time they were camped out, and if Wall Street offered them 300k for an hour-long speech on how to bathe in patchouli oil, you know they’d take it.
I’m a Libertarian-leaning Independent and was going to vote for Gary Johnson; however, I am so terrified of Trump winning, I am seriously thinking of voting for Hillary instead.
I cannot begin to tell you how much the thought of a Trump presidency scares me.
Unfortunately, I live in TN and this state’s electoral votes will go to Trump. My vote really doesn’t matter in this state. For all of those living in swing states, please do not let Trump win!
THIS is what I struggle with. I live in Texas so my vote really doesn’t count. I like Johnson but am SO scared of Trump!
That is so unfair! You should get direct voting where every vote counts as a vote for the candidate and states don’t matter.
If everyone who says “My vote doesn’t count” gives up, then nothing will change. You can at least affect the proportion of votes in your state to give us a sense of how things might be changing, focus on downticket positions, get people registered to vote, get them to the polls, and monitor the polls. Voting rights themselves are under attack and there is so much to do.
I WILL vote! I have never missed an election (either national or local) since I was 18. My father took me to downtown Richmond on my 18th birthday and registered me to vote. My parents were both Independents and they never missed a vote either.
I have said before, my husband is a far right conservative and he didn’t bat an eye when I told him I was seriously thinking of voting for Hillary instead of Johnson. Even though we differ politically on a lot of issues, he is as disgusted by Trump as I am.
And let me add this, the misogyny of Trump’s supporters is as disgusting as the man himself. If you can stomach going on some of these websites and reading the comments, it’s like you’re back in the 50’s where the only thing that mattered about a woman was her looks.
I have seen wretched comments from people regarding Hillary and Chelsea on my Facebook feed from right-leaning friends. Comparing them to Melania and Ivanka’s looks as though that is a woman’s only important asset in determining their worth. I can’t believe there are people around who still think like that.
It is the old boy’s club. We need to ban together and vote HIllary in to squash them once and for all. They are not “new” America.
But think of how many people might feel like you? Always vote all votes count because you never know what could happen.
California is the same, the dems, in this case good thing, take the states electoral votes every time. One vote, one person is how it should be. Another thing to note, the asshat media starts saying who won hours before the polls close on the west coast, that is soooooo wrong imo
Your vote counts, and you are not alone in your way of thinking, I’m sure.
Even if the state goes for Trump, a rise in Dem votes in Republic strong holds will send a message to the GOP that they need to do much, much, much better next time.
do you have the luxury and privilege to not be affected by the end result of your protest vote? If so, do you care about others who do not have the luck as you?
at least 1 and up to 4 supreme court justices. . . do you trust that to Trump and the GOP platform?
PS/unless you think President Trump has a wonderful ring, your mantra should be “Brexit” to remind you of the consequences of protest votes
Me too but I’m still voting for Johnson. Can’t vote for either HC or DT.
I’m with you, Sherry. Trump would be Caligula with his Nuclear Incitatus. He is showing, more and more, what the classic first stage of early onset dementia looks like in a supreme narcissist. I encourage anyone interested to read more about the disease. It’s The Donald Disease.
Which polls are you folks looking at? : Here is a link to a vast amount of latest polls: after and before the conventions:
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton
Rasmussen poll: Clinton ahead of Trump. McClatchy: Clinton ahead of Trump
NBC Survey: Clinton ahead of Trump CNN: Clinton ahead of Trump
GQR: Clinton ahead of Trump Fox: Clinton ahead of Trump
Morning Consult: Clinton ahead of Trump
USA Today: Clinton ahead of Trump
IPSO/Reuters: Clinton ahead of Trump
Gravis Marketing: Clinton ahead of Trump
I usually check Real Clear Politics, and Trump briefly was ahead. Clinton is back in the lead again.
What if the Bernie supporters stop and switch to Hillary? Will that make a difference in the polls?
She can always print out a BA in Matrimonial Wealth Acquirement from Trump University, I guess?
That’s not a BA program, that’s a MRS.
Ha!
Ha ha..y’all are too clever 😉
😂😂👏👏👏👏
It’s a BS. As in Bullshite.
–TheRealPinky
Lol. More importantly – is she a citizen?
Yes
I’d like to see her working visa/immigration/citizenship paperwork. did she claim to have a degree on those? if so, she committed perjury and . . .
Hillary’s beyond brilliant. She calculatingly married Bill because he was the Rhodes Scholar most likely to ascend to the presidency with his groovy curls, outlandish wardrobe, Arkansas twang and obsession with watermelons. Everybody who has made it big in politics knows you piggyback on a Razorback who once jogged to fast food joints if you want to make it to the big house. She cunningly sparred with the most likely presidential contender of all time: a smooth-talking, suave, Sam Cooke coulda-be with a full name every American equates with the red, white and true. If all that wasn’t easy enough, she plotted to run for the presidency herself against a pucker-mouthed, hybrid-human love child of an orangutan reality TV star. I knew her Lady MacBeth-Meets-Machiavellian Masterpiece plot was complete when she chose for her running mate a Spanish-speaking Virginian who is New Jersey’s worst governor because he didn’t have the decency to leave it on his online custom resume created in Kenya.
Haha, and Red Snapper, yes, lol.
More like BS. A genuine *BS* degree.
Well it looks like for years people believed she actually finished school when I thought there was no bloody way. Who thought about her for years to begin with? Even her husband didn’t I’d bet.
The Donald puffed up Ivana’s bio back when they were married. it’s what he does: take a thread of truth and spin it into lies.
Well said and exactly right!!!!
I don’t see why it is a big deal she doesn’t have a degree. Doesn’t she speak several languages? That shows she isn’t completely stupid….although marrying this idiot when you are attractive enough to get a less vile sugar daddy does sort of make you look it.
It’s not a big deal that she doesn’t have a degree. The big deal is that they lied about it. Yet another lie from the Trump camp and for a thing that’s really not that important and they still lied.
How can anybody believe anything that they put out there when they lie about the smallest details?
And obviously it meant something to him. He didn’t want to look like he could only get a pretty wife, he wanted people to think he can get pretty and educated one.
His lack of self esteem had been quite obvious for a while.
She speaks at least 2 languages, her home language and English, and that’s to be expected from a European living in America. She hasn’t given evidence of others (not that I’ve bothered to check). Being multilingual isn’t evidence of deep intelligence for people from her part of the world. She’s welcome to speak in multiple languages as long as they’re her own original thoughts. ; )
Not having a degree isn’t a problem at all, but lying about it is. Just like borrowing a few lines from Michelle Obama’s speech wouldn’t have been all that big a deal if she had just released a statement right away apologizing and calling it an oversight.
But that’s not how Trump works. He lies habitually, without even thinking about it, about things that don’t matter as well as things that do. And then when he’s called out he never ever admits fault and instead doubles down.
If you compare apples to apples, I think Ivana was way smarter than Slovenian Barbie. Ivana used to run Orangino’s businesses.
Anyway, not having a degree isn’t a big deal. Lying about it is.
It’s chilling the way these two get away with lying for self-inflation. Reminds me of the high school jocks and cheerleaders who could bully because they’re rich and gorgeous. Why has my adult life become an extension of the worst years of my life?
The thing that’s baffling is WHY. Why lie about it? Nobody assumed she was ever more than a trophy wife, anyhow, and if it worked for both of them, nobody cared that she was in the first place.
Is anything about this woman real?
Hillary lies about everything but i guess thats ok because shes a liberal…ah the hypocrisy
Of the left! Not to mention what a proven liar her hubby is
Find me a politician that doesn’t lie about something…I think Bernie was about as close as it gets. They are all slimy (at times) and spin stories to their advantage and to their opponents disadvantage. You can’t believe anything anymore. It’s disgusting.
Oh, please. Hillary “lies about everything” the same way Obama was born in Kenya.
Wow…Hillary LIES ABOUT EVERYTHING?? I had no idea. Everything….wow. That’s actually quite a feat. To lie about everything.
It’s a good thing Donald is so honest and impeccable with his word. Oh wait…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/27/donald-trumps-falsehood-laden-press-conference-annotated/
How dramatic. I don’t think anyone here thinks Hillary is purely righteous and honest woman – what politician is? She’s still a better option then your boy Trump.
So much to pick apart in short post… Hillary lies about everything? You know this how? Do you follow her around all day long?
Why yes let’s throw out the liberal card and the hypocrisy of the left to deflect from the real problem: Donald Trump. It’s been proven time and again the man is a pathological liar but yet his supporters refuse to believe it. You are being gaslighted… look it up.
Hillary is far from perfect and most, if not all, politicians lie. Even Bernie Sanders told some lies on the campaign trail. But keep deflecting. Keep spinning.
@mellie – Actually, PolitiFact rates Hillary as more honest than Bernie. True: Hillary 24%, Bernie 15%; Mostly True: H 72%, B 70%; Pants on Fire: H 14%, B 15%. Trump, on the other hand is True 3%, Pants on Fire 61%.
Not saying I don’t like Bernie – I do, and I also genuinely like Hillary – but the trope that Bernie is always the Only Voice of Truth and The Only Honest Politician is overplayed. (Not meaning to imply that that’s what you’re claiming! Just wanted to get those statistics out there again.)
Hillary is a politician and it’s been my experience that all politicians lie to achieve their goals. That said, she is a million times better than Trump!
I’m with her!
And Trump is just a beacon of truth, yeah?
I get emails from both campaigns. Last night, I received one from Trump, supposedly from him himself, claiming he had watched Hillary’s speech and it was full of lies. He didn’t specify what the lies were. Which is understandable because I received the email BEFORE Hillary even took the stage.
Are you fine with that? I’m not.
No Hillary doesn’t lie about everything, but I think you meant to say this about The Donald. Now if I was following your logic, I would say the wing nut conservatives, but what is funny and sad to all of you is Donald isn’t even remotely conservative. One of his big issues is immigration. He is building a wall around Mexico. Okay he claims Mexico is going to pay for the wall, debatable as Mexico said no, but who is going to patrol it. If we want it to work it would have to be us, and isn’t that a really expensive idea because we would have to hire patrols, hardly small government conserving money type of thing to do. Plus I think the Donald doesn’t realizes extension ladders can go really high 50ft and then some, boy this is a tall wall. What you fail to realize is The Donald has never had to worry about money his whole life, he doesn’t know how to be conservative with money. The man has a gold toilet, maybe a necessity I don’t know. Really you think he would be able to be conservative with any public programs. He admitted he used the bankruptcy laws to his benefit to reduce debt for his companies, obviously hurting the people that worked for him.
@Pabena6…really? I had no idea. I’m going to have to visit that website. I guess I probably just put a little more trust in Bernie because he just looked like a nice old man. Lol.
Actually Bernie isn’t a saint. He lied too. He asked for security detail from a few CA towns, promising them his campaign will pay over time. Well by the time the bill came, he said the Secret Service is suppose to pay the bill. Only the Secret Service wasn’t suppose to. These are small towns who have a limited budget. You can read about this here: http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/07/29/bernie-sanders-skips-bill-california-town/
My general feeling is all politicians lie to a certain degree. One of my co-workers said it best, you don’t go into elected office to change the world. You go into it to enrich and empower yourself. I view politicians in general as a necessary evil. I’m going with Hilary because she’s sane and actually understands how govt works. Orangino thinks he can call all the shots as president. That’s not true. The founding fathers created three branches of govt to ensure there won’t be a dictatorship.
Why is it Hillary haters can never give anything specific on what she has lied about, nor do they fact check anything they’ve heard. They just repeat the Trump rhetoric over and over. It’s getting old.
There sure is a lot of negativity on here over a comment. Everyone us entitled to their opinion and should not be attacked. Jmo
Politicians lie. The difference is Trump habitually lies about small things, wife’s educational background, the 3500 lawsuits, because he doesn’t pay his contractors, bills, or lawyers, lied about the speech his wife read. He lies about why he won’t release his tax returns.
perhaps this may be an inconvenient read for you
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/6/11/1537582/-The-most-thorough-profound-and-moving-defense-of-Hillary-Clinton-I-have-ever-seen
can you afford to channel BS memes because you stand to lose nothing with Trump and you don’t care how it affects others who are different from you because they’re lesser beings any way?
@Dlo,
They didn’t just express an opinion, they put forth a fact. A fact that others have proved to be false.
Dlo, your statement is profoundly disturbing because it reflects a greater reality. Not all opinions are equally valid. Some are grounded in fact, and some are not.
The media’s desire to appear even-handed has meant that they treat stupid opinions as having the same validity as intelligent opinions. They do not. Opinions grounded in fact are better and more important than opinions not grounded in fact.
“Hillary lies about everything” is an opinion that is factually untrue. She lies about many fewer things than Donald Trump.
My mom actually said, “If that young lady isn’t careful she’s going to be ex-wife #4”
And damned if I couldn’t see it. Donald Trump does not hold your hand and support you through the bad times. Donald Trump let’s you go on stage knowing you have a thick accent and poor relationship to the English language and plagiarize entire paragraphs of the CURRENT president’s wife speech. Then when you are exposed Donald shoves you to the background and brings out his daughter for all speaking roles while you evaporate to the shadows of some boutique, never to speak on the National Stage again so you can’t embarrass him.
Donald Trump let’s you lie about your education for years, because hey – why not. He’s lied and its worked for him! Then when that gets exposed Donald Trump doesn’t have them adjust or change your website to put more focus on you NOW. Nope. Donald Trump erases your web existance and redirects your old lies to his new lies. Reminding the world getting rid of you is as easy as paying a guy.
The man is the kind of egomaniac who knew he had all these time bombs under his feet and still ran for office and put her in a position repeatedly where she couldn’t help but fail, speech included, because he needed to show off his beautiful tropy.
Never marry for money ladies, especially not Donald Trump.
I hear you but at the same time she had to know what she was getting into by marrying the guy. Maybe she doesn’t mind being thrown under the bus time and time again as long as her paychecks keep coming in.
It’s funny how GOP types love to rip on the Clintons’ marriage as one of Hilary’s liabilities. As complicated and unconventional as it may be, they clearly do have a bond that’s genuine. I don’t get even a whiff of love or mutual respect from the Trumps.
Ooooh, where did that recent profile on her run? It kinda highlighted how she married a man much like her father. I think she knew what she was getting into, and what she was getting into was very much the status quo.
I think when she married him she thought she would live the easy life of a trophy wife. I don’t think she ever thought she was signing on for this shit show. I don’t feel badly for her. Gold digging has a price.
@tate yes I agree, she just wants to live the golden life and be left alone.
It makes me cross when we think that you can’t be smart unless you are University educated.
She was a model and made the most of her looks and modelled whilst many of us ate chips in college. That was the smart move for her given that model looks have a shelf life.
I wish she had been allowed to say that.
And really, who are they making this story up for? The vast majority of The Donald’s supporters probably don’t give two craps whether the FLOTUS is university-educated.
Seriously. Michelle Obama’s impressive education doesn’t prevent them from ripping her to shreds.
Good point Esmom
They made the story up a long time ago, I don’t think it has anything to do with her. I hate to say this because I never want to say this about a women but she doesn’t matter in this relationship she is basically a lamp. They made it up for Donald, he doesn’t want people to make fun of HIM. He doesn’t want people to mock him for marrying a model that isn’t educated and is only pretty. The old man that dumped his second wife for his new trophy wife.
This isn’t about his campaign, the lie is what made it a campaign issue.
both Clinton and Obama were attacked for not being the doe-eyed, submissive FLOTUS the conservatives wanted them to be. They were OK with Laura Bush because she was a teacher and hey consider that to be “wimmins work” (not intended to insult any teachers out there, just describing the patronizing attitude of conservatives about which roles a woman can have and education in general)
Right, college doesn’t mean you’re smart, or guarantees a good life.
But why lie about it? She’s done well without it
She can’t say that because then “they” will start looking into her “modeling” career and find out that it she wasn’t exactly modeling very much. Unless we change the spelling from “m o d e l” to “e s c o r t.” I’m not shaming her career choice, just that she wasn’t flying around the globe for modeling gigs.
Yup this. The college degree wasn’t the only thing they um, embellished.
I think she was a fairly decent model back in SFRJ. Maybe she wasn’t a great model, but to claim she was an escort is pretty big. Is there any proof? Because that is quite a big claim and really offensive.
And I say that as someone whos really bummed that when someone from my neck of the woods gains so much attention it has to be someone who appears to be thick, and a liar, and has the worst accent I’ve ever heard. People here usually don’t speak English with such a steong accent.
Was she really a model? I’ve only seen really cheesy looking photographs taken of her.
I recall him talking about her architecture studies/degree long before his candidacy. I remember thinking how coincidental it was that she’d studied design/architecture, as he was clearly talking about how valuable her knowledge was to his interests. I think it’s a distraction as well — to avoid discussing how some models supplement their often modest income or attempt to gain more exposure.
My sis (who no longer posts on CB because its like the ‘Lord of the Flies’ up in here) would like me to inform y’all that she saw head shots of Melania on the salon wall where she goes for hair styling services.
She knew it was Melania and asked about it – and the stylists seemed pleased that sis recognized Mrs. Trump. So she’d just like y’all to know that it wasn’t a ‘cheescake’ sleaze pic. It was a straight up modeling shot.
And while I myself don’t think its a stretch to wonder about escort/model blurred lines, my sister thinks you really need to check yourself. Melania is gorgeous – say what you will but you cant say she’s not photo-worthy.
Come on now.
It’s not that we don’t think you can be smart without a college degree, it’s that she, her meal ticket…I mean husband, and his advisors think it. Otherwise? No need to lie about it.
She clearly does not want to be doing this, just another embarrassing situation to add the the pile.
I think it has something to do with her background. In the former eastern bloc higher education has always been a social marker of sorts. In Russia it still is – that’s why people actually buy diplomas for their kids who have no wish or stamina for studying, but still want to be able to say that they did.
Yugoslavia wasn’t in the Eastern Bloc ( Tito-Stalin split, non-aligned movement, etc), but you are right, education is highly regarded. Not so much as a social status, but because people have this idea that if you dont have a good education you won’t ne able to have a good life.
I don’t have a degree from a university but I do have a very successful business, so I totally agree with you.
My guess is they were trying to put her closer to the level of previous first ladies. I’m sure they didn’t want her referred to as First Trophy Wife. Hillary and Michelle both have very impressive Ivy League law degrees, Barbara Bush II was very well educated too. It’s all smoke and mirrors with Trump, nothing more, nothing less.
Oops. I meant Laura Bush. I was thinking of the correct person but had the wrong name.
The funniest part is they thought capitalizing “university” would somehow distract from it wasn’t even University of something, like University of Slovenia. No wonder he chooses his mail order babes from the safe distance of eastern Europe.
Funny! On Bill Maher the other night they made a joke that Donald and Melania don’t have a “personal” relationship. I found this hilarious because truthfully, they have zero chemistry. When they were on stage together they looked like they barely knew each other. Not to mention, can you imagine what their conversations are like when it is just the two of them? I can’t? Just weird…
Trophy Wife or Gold Digger, either way..doesn’t look like a life I would ever want..
She was in her mid to late 20s and jobs were beginning to dry up. She could be the kind of wife he wanted, ask nothing of him. There are quotes from him. One, he gets upset if dinner isn’t ready when he gets home. Another one is he and Melania never fight. He didn’t want to be married to a woman basically bitching at him (I can’t remember his exact wording) when he gets home, because he works long hours.
Melania got what she wanted. He got what he wanted. It’s just that Melania never wanted this run for president and didn’t expect it to go so far. I imagine it has put a strain on the marriage.
The question is, was there much of a marriage to strain?
he has said in interviews in the past that there should be no work to maintaining a marriage and if he has to do any work, he’s ending the marriage
(I think he said it in an interview with Howard Stern describing why he divorces and probably around the time he was marrying Melania)
“It’s very bad, very bad.” (DJT)
At one point her website said she spoke many languages, including Austrian. Not German, Austrian. So I questioned the accuracy of everything else too.
Ha. If she speaks “Austrian,” I speak “Australian.”
I’m perfectly fluent in Canadian, myself 🙂
Canadian is the most beautiful language 😂😂😂. It’s tough being ‘murican.
I always tried to be multilingual. Now I am. I speak British, Canadian, Australian, Kiwi, Bahamian, Irish, Ghanian and 7 others. I’m now fluent in 15 languages. I’m so proud. Just like Melania should feel.
@ BESTY On ya mate 👍
I’m bilingual in American and Canadian. I can speak a little in that difficult New Yawk dialect, too. So proud to have something in common with Melania!
I get your point Smokey but Irish is a different language entirely. It’s the official languages of Ireland, though it’s a shame that only a small proportion of the population speak it fluently.
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I know I was proud when I locked own my Bostonan and Southern. With Southern you can cover lots of areas.
This is all crackers obviously.
BUT, re languages: I lived in an area in southern Bavarian Germany where I had to learn a second ‘language” to get by as well, as this second language was widely spoken in villages and smaller cities in addition to German. I knew it as Bayerisch and it was (to my ear) far enough from classic German (it was musical sounding, fluid and rapid, versus the strong and more glottal German) that I had to work hard on it and it took me at least six months to understand locals who used it; they would kindly switch to German or English if they saw me struggling to comprehend. . It came in handy when I was in ski towns in northern and eastern Austria, too.
My village friends told me it was an old long-used form of the Austrian languages. At a huge party we had annually with an IRish sister town, every place-setting at every dinner event had a card of common words printed with the English, Celtic, Bayerisch and German versions of each word, for example.
So I just looked this up:
The languages spoken inside Austria include German, which is the official language; Austro-Bavarian, the main language outside Vorarlberg; Alemannic; the main language in Vorarlberg; and several minority languages.
So that one tidbit re Austrian might be true.
One of my favourite things is to watch Roger Federer interviews on YouTube where he is interviewed in Swiss German. I speak some German and I don’t understand anything. It’s definitely a different language.
Here in the Balkans Slovenia is seen as the most developed and perfect country filled with highly educated people who are just great and above the rest of former dumb,hillbilly Yugoslavian republics.
To have gold digging,uneducated,plagiarising Melania Trump as their most famous citizen is just ironic and super duper.
LOLOl that IS super Delicious! LMAO
Im assuming in her next website iteration Melania’s Middle name is LaVaughn and she is a graduate of Princeton University and Harvard Law School, and spent her early legal career working at the law firm Sidley Austin
Ha ha ha. And she had a hard time getting pregnant with her first daughter malia
I don’t think they’re seen that way. Maybe some Slovenes would like to see themselves that way, but most are great. Slovenia is the most developed of the ex-Yu countries, but having a war that lasted only 30 days, as opposed to years like in Croatia or Bosnia and Herzegovina surely helped them. Considering we all get lumped in together most of the time, I’m quite upset that the person from here who got the most attention is someone like her.
Except that she is not the most famous Slovenian. 🙂
The philosopher Slavoj Žižek is.
And the 26-year old entrepreneur Urška Sršen of BellaBeat is also Slovenian (listed by Forbes as 30 under 30 who change the world).
Everything else LuckyZeGrand shays is just about right. Slovenia was the most developed and advanced former Yugoslav republic, and solid education is highly valued still.
Locke Lamora is right about the devastating effects of war in other ex-Yu republics (Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo, Serbia), and lack thereof in Slovenia. But Slovenia was most developed of them all even before the war.
But just the hillbilly Slovenians currently take pride in Melania (originally spelt Melanija) being “their own”.
You are right, Slovenia was the most developed, but Slovenia and Croatia weren’t that far apart before the war. Part of the reason they wanted out of Yugoslavia was that a lot of people felt like the money from those more advanced countries was going to Belgrade instead of Ljubljanja and Zagreb. The war had a massive impact on Croatia’s economy.
Education was highly valued in all of Yugoslavia, at least in my experience.
And I think that it’s incredibly sad that in an average joe’s mind, Melani(j)a Trump maybe is more famous than Slavoj Žižek.
Oh hai Jigli and Locke Lamora,I’m guessing we’re all from the same former-Yugoslavian area.
Jigli,I know about Slavoj Žižek and have just googled the lovely and intelligent Urška but I disagree with the notion that they’re the most famous Slovenians,they may be some of the smartest/most accomplished but fame is a completely different beast which favors the scandalous/notorious not the deserving unfortunately.
And Locke I never meant that Slovenians are condescending or full of themselves but that they had that image in Yugoslavia,an image that is still honed today,mostly by other former countries.I agree with your other statements.
So did Donald Trump and his advisors not consider that there would be journalists digging into all aspects of his life( including his wife and family? This is the start of more dirt being dug up on Trump. Has anyone noticed that not one musical artist has complained about their music being used at the Democratic convention? I guess they were smart enough to ask for permission
In high school I had a teacher who promised that Donald Trump would never run for president because he has so much crap in his past and skeletons in his closet that he doesn’t want getting out. It appears he underestimated Trump’s ego but was spot on about just how dirty Trump’s past is…
I noticed there were actual musicians performing at the DNC
they considered it and then the encouraged the neo nazis and other hate groups to target any reporter who said anything they didn’t think showed them as the perfect, brilliant, beautiful people they believe themselves to be
That entire bio is weird. They say she was born in Slovenia and then refer to her three sentences later as “Slovenian-born”. It’s like, yes, you just said that. And then to state that she obtained her degree from “University in Slovenia” – the capitalisation suggests to me that the staffer was waiting to be told which university in Slovenia, but that info never arrived (because it was false).
Just hopelessly arrogant and unprofessional, just like everything else about the Trumps.
I don’t think Trump wants to be President but I think he wants to win in any field, more than anything. And this is even scarier.
After Michelle who has set the bar so high, Melania as First lady would be a disgrace.
The best possible scenario for Trump is to come close but not win. That way he can continue in the same way, pandering to his followers, pointing fingers and never having to prove himself as a leader. I wonder how much he thinks about that.
The best possible scenario for the world is for him to lose in a landslide.
There are some reports stating that Trump is getting ready to start a news network to compete with Fox News. If he loses in November (please, please let him lose) what better launching pad than his angry supporters who want to hear everything negative about the new Clinton administration delivered by their dear leader?
no the best option is for him to lose by a landslide.
I think he just wants the bragging rights of having run for office, but not the responsibility. He’ll hopefully pull a Perot and drop out temporarily over some alleged drama, or have something else happen that causes momentum to be lost.
Perot was a yappy rich guy who had support at first, but seemed to start flaking the closer the election came. He pretty much disappeared from public life afterwards (and is still alive, at 86). I genuinely hope DT does the same – chickens out, loses steam and then disappears back into business life.
The thing is that Hillary will win fair and square and you can bet Trump will order a recount.
She’d better get on that – she’s going to need a marketable skill when her contract’s up.
Good thing I was sitting when I read this, because I am just so surprised!
Shocking, right?
As someone who spent 5 looooong years working to obtain an actual architecture degree, I’m offended. But as she’s a Trump, I’m not at all surprised it’s all a big lie.
Not only that, she has obtain a degree in architecture AND design. Just for good measure.
Utter bullshit. The two are separate programmes in Slovenia.
from what I’ve heard about the certification exam, it sounds like the 5 years to get the degree is the easiest part of being an architect!
It is. I procrastinated for a long time and finally did my exams in the last few years – horrible! Seven exams, each one 4-6 hours long, and tons and tons of studying. So relieved to be done!
She’s the George Constanza of reality.
–TheRealPinky
Maybe next she’ll claim to be a city planner. 😉
Timeline was always off, she couldn’t fit all those “accomplishments” and still work in NYC as a model at 26 years old.
If having a college degree was important enough for her to lie about it, why hasn’t she just earned one by now? It’s not like she has to work all day and care for her children like so many other women who still manage to fulfill their goal of having a degree.
Yes great point ! But some people want everything the easy way and this woman has lived a very EASY life.
The fact that it says she graduated from “A University in Slovenia” says it all. They didn’t even bother to name which university lol come on now…that right there would have anyone thinking. Of course Trump and his wife will sweep this under the rug because their job is to bully others and never take the heat themselves.
Yes, she’s also full of it about all of her surgery, too. The facial work and the boob job that is.
Lying Melanie Trump!
In Nate Silver we trust, and 538’s poll shows Trump losing. That’s the only poll I follow so I’ll keep my head in the sand. I can’t wait for him to go away.
Okay, I’m going to look him up–I hope he’s right.
Agreed, although he did say Trump wouldn’t get the nomination. I really hope he’s here.
He isn’t losing by a lot though and in the last few weeks it has times been less than 5 points. WE need to vote and not for one second underestimate the Trumpers. They will march their half dead bodies to the polls in November to support their Machiavellian Cheeto. Oh and where are your Taxes Donald!
I thought Nate Silver recently said that Trump has a hell of a chance to win
Not even checking the dates, but modelling is an age-based industry. How can you possibly earn a degree in architecture and then move on to a modelling career? After completing your degree you will have already aged out of any employment chanced in modelling.
Thank you. And this is why i am surprised this wasn’t questioned a billion years ago. ???!
Although I knew a couple of models who were in pre-med and, until they started medical school, modeled only during breaks or three-day special shoots for the money to keep going (fashion shoots and runway walks, but more like Marie Claire or NYLON and newer designers in London and NY, versus top houses and a lengthy show season and Vogue. They were good enough to get big offers, but turned it all down in the end for medicine as the cash was just their means to an end One was the daughter of a model who’d married an extremely wealthy man and they wanted her to model and act and cut her off when she chose a university path!). So, ok, POSSIBLE. But…uh…
She has to be lawyering up at this point. I believe she is going to file by years end get the money before it is entirely gone.
Yes, unless Donald gives her a lot of money to do otherwise, I think she’s planning to divorce him ASAP. She’s old enough that if he follows his usual pattern, he’s about to cultivate a new mistress or is already doing so. Maybe the campaign or his age has changed that pattern, but she acts done with him. It’s really sad, I believe her when she said she greatly admires Michelle Obama. Michelle has a husband who clearly respects and loves her. Melania has The Donald. It was just awful to put her in that position at the RNC.
SHOW US YOUR TAXES, TRUMP.
That’s his Achilles heel, ladies. If that shit got out, even his staunchest supporters would leave him. (Maybe. I asked a supporter of his who is a friend what Trump COULD do that would make him not vote for him in November. I asked “if Trump pulled down his pants and took a dump on the podium during the debates, would you vote for him then?” And this ‘friend’ of mine had to think about it for a minute, and just said, “well, that would be awfully rude…” WTF?!?!?!!! And therein lies the problem. )
My bet is that he has paid no taxes in years, and may even be in debt to the Russians (where he has ties with his ms universe organization.)
Word has it that Anonymous is well on their way to leaking those bad boys. I only hope if it happens it would make enough difference to those who are sane and rational that enough of them would come to the other side and give this win to Hillary. We won’t get them all, but we need enough…
Be careful what you wish for. If the IRS database is hacked, it won’t just be The Donald’s tax info released. All of our social security numbers, realspace addresses and phone numbers, birth dates and places of birth are in there. In the US, the social security number is the primary key to identity theft along with other identifying info – all there on our tax returns. Plus many of us have our bank names and at least one routing/account number in there. We will all be at great risk of identity theft and having our paltry bank accounts looted. The banks aren’t going to go at superspeed to restore our money, so good luck paying bills. This risk is great whether or not our info is publicized – someone could sell the info also.
Here’s hoping the IRS has been really careful about cyber security.
Word is that The Donald is only worth around $165 million, not 10 billion, which would also be reflected in his (maybe never) filed taxes.
Isn’t this something that school could verify (or not) pretty easily? I mean, I have my degree up in the office. Pretty simple to prove I have it.
They need a signed release form from the student.
They don’t need permission to say she was never a student there, or that she did not earn a degree there. Schools only need the students permission to release records that exist. And they are always free to confirm or deny the fact of a student’s matriculation and/or obtaining of a degree.
What I find most interesting about Trump’s wish to publicize Melania’s educational record is that he bothered with it at all. (Since marrying him, I don’t believe that Melania has had a say in what goes on her resume.)
By asserting she has a degree, Trump puts himself up on the high wire of tension between the supposed opposites of expert/intellectualism vs. anti-intellectualism in U.S. history and life. He exposes how very important it is to him that a wife be both attractive and educated. He doesn’t get that this is a false dichotomy.
It degrades Melania, who doesn’t get the opportunity to promote any factual accomplishments or personal interests. It insults people who have no desire to go to college. It insults others who do have a degree. It plays into negative stereotypes of immigrants as ignorant freeloaders. In short, it’s another PR debacle for his campaign. Trump is the weed wacker of American politics–he can’t do anything without cutting down everyone.
I read a lot of political comments on different websites that terrify me for this election….but this one has given me hope that there are intelligent, thoughtful, educated voters out there who can see the clear and present danger of a Trump presidency. Thank you!
Also feel bad for her in a way. My grandmother in her first marriage married a drop dead gorgeous man with lots of money. He ended up being very abusive and a constant cheater. She had no idea when she married him, she married at the time for security, because she thought she was in love and status. This was in the 1930s. She told me later rich men are rich because they have fooled others into giving them money. Uber rich men are often cons with status. She probably married Donald yes because he is a Billionaire with status. She probably didn’t marry him thinking the baffon would run for the countries highest office. That spotlight and scrutiny and being whipped into a national spotlight has to lead to insecurity. She probably wants to the “right” wife and overexgerrted. Honestly can see why someone would do it. Especially when you just married for stecurity and as she said, wants to read magazines.
They are grifters, the whole lot of them. Trump started out as a real estate person but he has ended up a carnival barker. But the whole lot of them are following behind him. Funny, really, if not so much was at stake.
I’m surprised but glad to see so much empathy expressed for Melania (I wish I knew her maiden name). I have a university education but didn’t declare graduation because I thought I’d go back and do a few courses to add a 2nd major. One year of college? That’s not a lot and it wouldn’t have been very specialized. I would think her courses were very general and introductory. I would love for her to jump ship now.
Her maiden name is Knause.
I am doing everything in my Power to elect Hillary. I’ve signed up locally, volunteering to drive as many people as I can to the voting sites, who are beholden to public transportation.
I’ll be doing it all day long!!
This madman needs to be stopped, NEVER CHEETO!
That’s great, Bubbles! The important thing is to vote. Do NOT stay home.
If I lived there, I would volunteer to drive as many people to the voting sites too, and I’m not even a US citizen.
What a historic day that will be……. Madame President!
Ignore that i cannot make a judgement in your world as someone from Europe . Please do not understate that you can change my world with one vote
I think you have every right to an opinion, American citizen or not. We are a global society, whether most of us see the impact of that in our daily lives or never see it at all. It’s as though someone has set up an elaborate domino trick, but stuck a cheeto dust and cat hair covered stick of dynamite right in the middle. The outlying dominos didn’t set off the dynamite, but that doesn’t mean they won’t feel the blast.
It occurs to me that the party holding their convention second has an advantage. They can tailor their message based on what the opposing candidates said the previous week. My question is, who decides which party gets their convention aired first?
All I have to say is Slovenia is such a beautiful place, make lovely wine and delicious custardy cream desserts. Would love to go there again.