I don’t really have an opinion on Roger Daltrey, frontman of The Who. When I went through my ‘60s-’70s music phases, I never gave a sh-t about The Who. I’m vaguely aware that Daltrey has been involved with old-rocker beefs and sh-t-talking over the years, but I always shrugged. So, basically, I came into this story as a blank slate, with no preconceived notions about Daltrey as a person. But after reading this interview, I don’t like him very much. He chatted with British music outlet NME, and he ended up talking about Brexit and Hillary Clinton.
He was always anti-EU: “We are getting out, and when the dust settles I think that it’ll be seen that it’s the right thing for this country to have done, that’s for sure. It’s got nothing to do with any of the immigration issues or any of that for me. It was to do with much more. The majority of this country felt that their voices weren’t being heard. It would have been nice to do a deal with Europe but they didn’t want to do a deal, and they sent Cameron back with a bag. I’m sad we voted how we voted, but I think we have to go with it now. This country will always be alright, I don’t worry about it. You know it’s going to be bumpy on the way – we expected that; the ones that voted to get out. But Iceland had it a bit bumpy when they went bankrupt, but oh not now.”
On Donald Trump: “His f–king haircut! He needs it cut and as my mother would say, ‘wash your f–king mouth out’.
On Hillary Clinton: “On other pieces of politics, let’s put it this way: when you say that middle America and the Democrats lost it, but Trump didn’t really win it – because Democrats threw it away by putting [Hilary Clinton] up. A dead dog would have won it against [her], look at that.”
I’m not going to make this about “non-Americans should not speak about American politics” because as an American, I care about other countries’ political stuff and I know our political catastrophes affect the rest of the world. So, Roger Daltrey has every right to offer his thoughts about Bigly Fists, Hillary Clinton and anybody else. That being said, he’s dead wrong. Democrats didn’t “throw it away” by voting for Hillary for our nominee. He sounds like a Bernie-or-Buster, for the love of God.
Also: Roger Daltrey looks like the kind of guy who would golf with Bigly at Mar-a-Lago.
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Brexit.. it’s not you who will suffer, rich guy.
He’s like every other rich, white jack-ass, well-insulated and un-informed.
Well said. As for Daltry. He has 17 children w/quite a few baby mamas. I think he & Trumple-thin-skin would be mates
Hillary deserves a medal, for the ….crap and lies told on her that she has had to endure for the past 40yrs. Daltry and Susan Sarandon, rich, insulated from the affects of Trump or Brexit but they talk crap.
IMO Hillary was a fine candidate, experienced, intelligent, someone who has truly worked her entire life for the people of the US, yet she had to fight the Kremlin, Bernie Bros, Bitter Bernie because no matter what he said about her, he still lost by 4million votes in the Primary to Hillay. GOP Thirty Years of lies and Bernie using the same GOP Lies about her.
To hell with Daltry, Bernie, Sarandon and Trump. Out of the three candidates, Hillary was the only one to show her taxes to this day, yet someone she is the crooked on in some peoples minds. Where are Trump and Bernie’s taxes. I’d love to see where all those donations really came from.
P.S. No one cheated Bernie out of anything, He lost by 4million votes to Hillary. Bernie had practically miniscule AA and miniorty vote.
To hell with Daltry. He sounds like an A..hole.
Bernie is a welfare-state liberal and I have no clue why he insists on calling himself a socialist. If he paid a little more attention to pr and marketing it’d have been a cinch for him and the DNC and the Democratic insiders wouldn’t have been laughing at this old socialist because even with all this “socialist” this and “socialist” that, all the polls you can think of had him winning against Trump.
He should stick to music.
Thought same about Meryl streep, Did you?
Roger is not a particularly keen intellect. Meryl is.
Oh, the hypocrisy! LOL!
At least Streep said something relevant and compassionate. So no not really. I’m calling that a false equivocation.
Meryl who said she is sorry a man who drugged and raped a thirteen year old girl went to jail is not an intellectual.
Cara, who was Meryl referring too???
Rofl. You win the internet today. Because you spoke truth about hypocrisy and self blindedness, Agree with me — you are golden. Disagree with me – you are shit, Too freaking funny isn’t it?
@Jrenee…..roman Polanski. Look it up.
Not the most insightful guy politically.
IMO the nominees this past election year show how polarized we are as a nation and that celebrity culture has become seeped into our politics. (I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the two candidates with the highest national name recognition won.) And believe it or not there are alot of people that love Hillary Clinton. She has high negatives but she’s beloved with many too. She and Pres. Obama basically *tied* for the Democratic nomination in 2008. This idea she’s universally reviled and she had to cheat during the nomination process is simply, well.. stupid. She won the nomination because rank and file Democrats voted for her. Period.
A 100K swing of people and we would be saying the exact same thing about Trump – i.e., “A dead dog would have won against Donald Trump.”
The people who keep saying “Blame the Clintons” aren’t helping the Democrats going forward at all. You are basically blaming the Democratic party members that voted for her instead of understanding why they did and why they rejected Bernie during the nomination process. (Keep in mind, Bernie didn’t have an onslaught of vile propaganda being leveled against him all over social media fueled by a reclusive billionaire, a hostile foreign power, purist progressives, a right wing media conspiracy complex, etc If you think Bernie or any other Democratic nominee would’ve gotten a free pass in the general election you are incredibly naive. )
Another point: If you think Bernie would’ve won over Trump voters with his income inequality pitch you don’t know these people AT ALL. I am (sadly) stuck in the middle of Trump country and let me make this 100% clear:
When they complain about elites they are not talking about rich people and corporate interests. These people usually LIKE rich people. Many Trump voters want to emulate them. They are talking about educated progressives that seem to “look down on them” and their values. They are talking about progressives that mock Mike Pence’s rules for his marriage. The reason they disliked Mitt Romney wasn’t because he was rich. It’s because he seemed too “proper”, too buttoned up, not earthy and not real enough. Trump connected with these people. I’m not convinced Bernie would’ve connected with them better.
Last point: The Democratic Party has been losing Senate seats, House seats, Governorships, and State Legislatures since 2010. The problems with the Democratic Party pre-date Hillary’s nomination. We should be rebuilding the party in all 50 states instead of fighting each other. And this time I hope all the pure progressives get out the vote in off election years instead of staying home and bitching about the deep state or whatever. Or stay home but STFU about why we have people like the Orange Menace and his ilk running our country now.
Sorry this wasn’t really directed to you @PumkinPie It’s more a general rant. So tired of privileged progressives ranting about Hillary Clinton instead of being helpful at stopping the Orange menace.
All the major polls you can think of had Bernie winning against Trump or bettering Hillary against Trump. There’s a bit of a cultural thing going on (like you said, they like wealthy people and I believe that’s a legacy of old time Republican Party days when the GOP was the party of choice for business owners and the DP was the option for the middle class whereas it’s now the part for professionals), but I believe it’s pretty clear the those hit hard by the demise of the working class, the middle class would have voted for Bernie over Trump because he promised to upend the system that made them suffer so much.
https://medium.com/@willpflaum/that-bernie-would-have-beaten-trump-in-the-general-election-is-a-fact-not-an-opinion-d81646d69edc
Even Fox News polls had Bernie beating Donald.
Except all the polls also had Hillary beating Trump easily. :\
“Except all the polls also had Hillary beating Trump easily. : ”
Not easily and not beating Trump by as much as Bernie – that’s the thing. In Nov ’16 Salon reported her average lead over Trump was around 3%; Bernie’s was consistently in the double digits and around 3 times her lead. Let’s not forget he beat her in the primaries in key states (that she lost to DT) such as Wisconsin and Michigan.
As a late 40 something, 70’s rock radio is a staple in my commute. I know snippets of The Who’s songs, but never felt it as my jam.
Also, my Who opinions are skewed by the Pete Towsend sex scandal. I think I remember Towsend being absolved, but the stain of it is still in the peripheral of my brain, and I’m skeeved out.
Exactly! As an early 40-something, I never could get into The Who. To me, they never made an impact like The Beatles, The Stones, hell even The Kinks.
He should stick to music. Forgettable music.
I have the same feeling about Pete Townsend. The Who were never my thing anyway, and now I have even more reason to ignore them. And Daltry looks terrible.
Pete Townshend was not absolved, he was cautioned and put on the sex offender’s registry. Read “he had a very good lawyer” and there was “nothing on his hard drive” (that’s strange isn’t it?). He paid for child porn “to prove the British banks were complicit in child rape”. If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. Also he was looking at pictures of child pornography, “to educate himself about it, so that he could fight it”. If you believe that, I have a downtown high rise to sell you.
To me they have always been overrated and it should have been The Troggs who stood in their place. Pinball Wizard was just awful and none of their music has stood the test of time. Daltry is/was/always will be an idiot with an overinflated ego.
I think he’s a conservative actually based on his pro-Brexit stance and some other opinions. Anyway maybe a dead dog would have gotten more votes but none of the men who ran against her did. 🙂 Seethe mediocre men. Seethe.
Yeah, I’d never peg him as a Bernie Bro. And the dead dog thing reeks of misogyny to me. He could have said she was unlikeable and gotten his point across.
Their music has always left me cold. I had a film teacher who found Tommy to be a masterpiece but it was the one film in the class that also left me cold.
A dead dog, quite frankly, would be a huge improvement.
That was my take away.
He’s not wrong.
I agree with the Dead dog theory. To be fair I am also not American. I didn’t follow the bernie thing, I’m not even sure of the meaning of bernie or buster but I hardly had a doubt that Hillary clinton was bound to lose. It’s not the womanhood, it’s the Clinton-ness.
Why don’t you read these two links and come back to me?
Thanks.
http://verysmartbrothas.com/men-just-dont-trust-women-and-this-is-a-problem/
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/11/opinion/11nocera.html
I did. Interesting articles. I am aware of the woman in politics struggle. I am a woman too. Now I fail to see how those facts are in contradiction with my opinion, nor how it matters.
I think there is an obvious contradiction, actually.
You said it wasn’t about her “womanhood” yet those links (and this one http://www.pride.com/outrageous/2015/04/22/15-most-horribly-misogynist-quotes-about-hillary-clinton) show evidence to the contrary.
You speak as if you can simply separate out 25 years of maligning and blaming for her husband’s infidelities out of the collective American consciousness but that’s not how latent sexism and misogyny works, see. You can’t just undo that.
Let me guess: you think the GOP gunning for Warren has nothing to do with HER womanhood either? Must just be a coincidence I guess…
I think one doesn’t negate the other. Misogyny in politics doesn’t negate the fact That a Clinton was not the best candidate to Win against a candidate of the opposition in the actual climate of anger. I won’t take wild guesses about why You feel it’s important to fight this opinion, if You feel the Hillary loss is only about mysogyny, please do. I don’t have links to oppose That. Just the results of the élection, which I’m not happy about, but it is what it is and I think analysis like they are all mysogynists/racists/shame on those who didn’t vote/vote Third parties don’t hold water. People are not more racists/mysogynists than before. While it’s a real problem it doesn’t explain the particular result of This élection IMO.
The election system was also an issue. The electoral college really needs to go because a vote becomes worth more or less depending on what state you live in. Hillary won the popular vote. So people saying she was a bad candidate are ignoring that a dated election system swung the election towards another candidate.
Ok but I never said they were all misogynists nor did I say that Clinton was the best candidate, but those two things do NOT negate the very real impact that the misogynistic narrative perpetuated against HRC had on her candidacy. To overlook that mistakenly leads to a very narrow perspective of why she lost.
I get it: you think she lost merely because she’s a Clinton. I don’t disagree that her husband’s former career was a factor in her loss, but the fact remains that she was maligned by the GOP and subjected to a different set of standards by the press and the American public largely because of her gender.
I don’t need you to agree with me nor do I feel any need to keep arguing about it. Want proof? Just look at what Trump is getting away with.
I think it was the “Clinton-ness” too … too much baggage perhaps? Just my opinion.
@Babs is a troll. Not once has this bot backed up their opinion. Not once.
Hmmmm, paranoid much? So every Person disagreeing with you is a paid Russian troll? O-kay
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I don’t understand this idea that Europe didn’t want to cooperate with the UK, when in fact, out of all EU countries, the UK had the most privileges.
Of course a guy who’s dumb enough to not have a problem with Brexit would see nothing wrong Trump. Leading a country takes more than a good hairdo and clean mouth!
I voted for HC, but I think Roger has an (exaggerated) point about her being unlikable. She referred to a large % of the population as a “basket of deplorables” and while I think there is obvious truth to that, you’re not going to win an election that way. I’m also still a little pissed she sabotaged Bernie and faced no repercussions for it. That being said, Roger does sound like a chode.
Bernie might not have beaten Trump, but he was the best option for the people out of all the politicians who were running.
Apparently the majority of Democrats disagreed with you.
Agreed Kata.
Yes the democrats liked her but the moderates, who are the najority of ppl voting, didnt…they didnt like trump either so just putting someone who was mediocre or simply said not hated would have won the democrats the election.
Bernie is a con imo. I never trusted him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was in on the Fake news and knew where it came from. He sure spouted GOP lies about Hillary every chance he got. I can’t stand him. The latest news leaking out is Bernie may have had ties to Russia too. He got a mysterious 10million dollar donation and still hasn’t reported from where it came and after the primaries he suddenly bought a Third Home. Bernie is a con man. IMO
I don’t get the love for Sanders, especially his anti establishment message. The man has served as congressman, mayor, senator for a long time. He is the establishment.
Hmm I was anti Bernie but he is very much anti establishment in a ‘good way’ he’s a registered socialist and he’s way left of center on almost everything . I just think he’d be an unmitigated disaster as President and I doubt he’d get 10 votes more than Hillary did. Just my opinion.
Bernie lost the Primary by 4million votes, How the hell was he going to beat anybody, he had virtually no AA vote very little minority vote ,and lost the Primary. I’m so sick of that con man. He also got a mysterious 10million dollar donation during the Primary, and has ties to Russia. I never trusted him.
“The man has served as congressman, mayor, senator for a long time. He is the establishment.”
Being in public office doesn’t mean you’re the establishment. His stated policies were certainly anti-establishment and change-focused like Obama’s PR was in ’08.
She said half of Donald Trump’s supporters belong in a “basket of deplorables”. I happen to agree with her because I personally find white supremacists, misogynists, xenophobes, and racists pretty f*cking deplorable.
Bernie took a gamble running on the Dem ticket and it didn’t pay off. I think his reasons for running on the Dem side were noble enough but most of us predicted that the Democratic primary caucus would not be kind to him. Hopefully if he runs again he’ll run as an Independent.
You think “basket of deplorables” was somehow worse than basically everything Trump said on a daily basis for months?
Did I say that? No. Don’t put words in my mouth.
You think that using the term deplorable is worse than all the racist garbage that has been said by Trump for years?
Nope, and I never said or even implied that I think that.
Trump’s hate rhetoric got him a following (of bigots, racists, misogynists), whereas HC calling those people out for what they were (deplorable) cost her votes. I guess I respect her for saying what she thought, but she did need those votes.
I disagree that it costs her votes. The faux outrage about the “basket of deplorables” comment began and was fueled by people who had zero intention of ever voting for her. The nails were already in the coffin by then thanks to the massive propaganda campaign against her that had been churning for decades. Not to mention the Russian bots were busy long before she said that.
@tegteg
But you are also ignoring that she won the popular vote. This election was further proof that the electoral college disenfranchises voters and ignores the actual will of the people.
TegTeg, I have a hard time believing she would have gotten the deplorables’ votes even if she had decided not to call them what they are. She’s a woman and a democrat who was running for president. She was a candidate the liberals (or a lot of us anyway) wanted. All that alone was enough for them to be against her. In fact, all other criticisms of her from Trump-supporters-whether it’s about her looks, emails, her not divorcing her cheating husband, the way she handled the allegations against him, etc.- are just bonus criticisms thrown in to cover up those other things that they really couldn’t handle about Hillary. Normally these people have no problem telling women to put up with and take responsibility for their men’s wandering dongs and using the ‘Innocent until Proven Guilty” defense whenever something like this about a man comes out. And on top of all that, they think voting for a man who sexualizes his daughter and underage girls, who brags about being able to get away with sexually assaulting women and who has racked up multiple sexual assault allegations ranging from his ex wife, to different famous women, to a random 13-year-old girl, somehow makes them morally superior to Hillary Clinton or to Meryl Streep (her initial support of Roman Polanski) when in a way it makes them worse.
they are deplorables….. but i was a bernie supporter for sure and the way that went down was nuts
Bernie lost by 4million votes, he lost because he had basically NO minority vote. I’m sick of his lies too, he spouted the same GOP crap about Hillary, I will never vote for Sanders, he’s just as much a con as the Don. It will all come spilling out with the Russia connections.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bernie run as a Republican, he seems to love them so much, while putting down the Democratic party. He is an a…
She did not refer to a large % of the population as deplorables. Less than 25% of the country voted for him.
Tegteg, that is hilarious! I have never heard the word “chode” used as an insult! That is funny.
I’m a bass player and because of that I’m supposed to love The Who (John “The Ox” Entwhistle) but… I just cannot be bothered. But carry on sitting on your pile of money, old white man!
eggyweggs, i love a girl bass player! dudes always make the worst faces; the ladies have such a chill way of playing, even with punk and metal.
Eh. He’s not wrong about Secretary Clinton. I know a lot of people don’t want to admit but it’s true. The problem with the Dems and The Repubs is that both have pretty dry pipelines.
Ellison Warren Frankenstein Kaine Warner Klobuchar Schiff…
I’m not a very political person, but that’s off the top of my head.
Considering she won the popular vote despite Russia’s obvious interference doesn’t make her the worst candidate ever. You have to recognize the amount of money and power that was leveraged against her, she would likely have won if not for Wikileaks, Comey and the relentless BS from the media regarding Benghazi and her alleged “criminality.” I’m no fan of Clinton, but Trump is a giant piece of corporate shit who will be happy to bend over for Putin, and all the Republican hacks who backed him are no better, traitorous pack of self-interested racist scum suckers.
MrsBadBob, if medals were available on CB you ought to be festooned with them for that comment. Spot on. It’s comforting to know that clear sightedness and sanity will prevail, ultimately. The giant corporate POS will be flushed hard down America’s toilet where it belongs, given time, and the scum suckers will choke themselves to oblivion on orange Swamp Brew.
I’m fed up with this “The majority of this country” crap. 24% of the population voted to leave, 37% of the electorate of 46 million people, of a total population of 65 million. 28% of those eligible didn’t vote at all, Commonwealth and Irish residents were allowed to vote, but not 2 million expats resident in Europe, whose rights were taken away. Or 16-18 yr olds who will be more affected.
The whole referendum bill was a farce.
My homepage on my work computer is msn.com – yesterday they had a poll asking who you would vote for “today” if the election was held with the same candidates – Trump still won. For all his crappiness, Hillary was just an awful candidate. I’m surprised more anger isn’t directed towards the Democrat party for fixing the process to allow her to be the nominee. THAT is where the anger should be focussed. How we ended up with these 2 as our choices is just amazing.
Her biggest sin was she wasn’t an old white man..period.
I don’t believe those online polls or any polls anymore. Bots are still operating in America and Russia is still and always will be playing games to confuse. We keep talking about education in the third world countries but it looks like education is sorely needed in many places in America that think Russian interference is just peachy keen and know nothing about history.
@Boredblond–Totally. Look what they are doing to Liz Warren. They’re already giving her The Hillary Special: demonizing her with perpetual lies and falsehoods, turning her into Public Enemy No. 1.
It’s so gross but this is what the GOP does and they are very good at it. Sadly, their propaganda works to influence many on the left as well.
Agreed.
Im a 40 something Gen X er and experience more sexism NOW (and have discussed with my peers, they concur) both personally but especially professionally than I did in the earlier years of my career.
Those kind of polls are completely inaccurate and Trump lost the popular vote by 3million.
It’s a self-selecting online poll, easily manipulated. So no, not accurate.
Polls that reaffirm your beliefs, what a shock. The problem is people in this country don’t understand the difference between who is looking out for their best interests, and who is not. And they vote time and again, for stupid reasons, like “family values” and “make America Great again” and “the shining beacon on the hill” and whatever patter these asses come up with for their con game, until we get serious about political reform, and stop playing Dem or Rep, or government is screwed and so are we.
You’ve got to expect that sort of thing from MSN though, because Murrica’s Trump Trash flocks to all the comment sections on that site with disgusting racism, misogyny, homophobia, and their manipulative, self-absorbed “We poor Trump-loving X-tians are persecuted victims of the liberals and LGBTQA community” narrative.
Based on his pro-Brexit stance, he is a racist idiot. Brexit was fueled by racism, just as people who voted for Trump were fueled by racism.
Thanks, Merritt. Someone finally said it.
Brexit wasn’t fuelled by racism, it was fuelled by the deliberate propogation of fear and ignorance. The fact that the referendum encouraged all of the racists out of the shadows is just another gift that the conservatives have given us. If you really want to know what sort of pickle this country has got itself into just think about the fact that the “Daily Mail” seemingly won Newspaper of the Year. That’s all you need to know about the UK in 2017.
And part of the fear involved racism. And the Daily Mail is racist af.
I hate how Hillary Clinton was subjected to a ton of verbal abuse, real as well as rigged from the Russian bot world. Everyone seemed okay with the “lock her up” chants and more. Imo she tried to have a positive effect on the world as best she knew how and got treated like garbage by a bunch of men and lots of white women for her life-long efforts. Her policies seemed doable and she seemed more than willing and able to fix Health Care and so many other issues. She had experience and a grip on how to lead in a turbulent world. Instead, she and imo all women were assaulted and insulted by Trump’s win. She wasn’t the problem it’s the people who preferred a “dead dog” or a p*ssygrabbing Trump to Hillary that are hurting America. They might as well have voted for a dead dog, these rabid Trump supporters.
As someone who can see her faults, I agree HRC has had way too much crap thrown her way that IMO is mostly unjustified. I don’t get how people can’t look back to November and say “man we really missed out on a president who was pro-women, PP, LGBT, minority, healthcare reform, children’s education, etc”. It baffles me these Trumpsters still see this devil woman sent from Hell when we have a man who is hellbent on going to war and taking away rights from nearly all of the population except the rich 1% and Russia backers. My heart hurts. 🙁
If I were Hillary honestly much like the Obama’s I would be done and hiding out on an island someplace.
Hilary wanted to got to war too. Im tired of this bullshit. If someone has a D next to their name doesnt mean they become doves, ask syrians how they feel about clinton and obama and come back then.
@sarahhhhhhhh, i acknowledged that HRC has faults and I dont think Obama was flawless either. But they are not on twitter trying to get us nuked every other day. There is no comparison to what we are witnessing right now. Dubya was a war criminal and yet I would take him back over the nightmare in the White House right now. On top of that there is not a single domestic issue that doesn’t sicken me that Trump is implementing or plans to implement. I felt rather safe with Hillary when it came to domestic affairs much like I did with Obama. Yes they may have flaws with some foreign policy but they are nowhere near Agent Orange level.
Donald Trump got into a screaming fight with the PM of AUSTRALIA and has been unexcusably rude to the PM of GERMANY two established allies that we should have zero problems with. He’s alienated our allies. That’s not anything close to a neo con style war in the Middle East(as I much as I personally disagree with those wars). He has judgment of a child who isn’t mentally equipped to lead. We have diplomats and emissaries daily contacting OUR ALLIES apologize. What’s going to happen when we have an international crisis???
Well said, thank you. I was just thinking about the “lock her up” crowd chants and despairing at how the same people just shrug at Trump’s unethical, treasonous, despicable behavior and say “nothing to see here.”
I don’t know why so many people have this visceral, irrational hatred of Hillary, but she has been very unpopular even when she was First Lady. I distinctly remember an article in the Boston Globe in the 90s about how she was widely disliked by much of the country, but very popular in Massachusetts (where I’m from). Still I’ve seen people who get wild-eyed with anger at the very mention of her name. I can’t imagine how it is in the deep red parts of the country.
I will say that I don’t think she is a natural on the campaign trail. It’s when she is on the job and working that she is most compelling and natural, in my opinion.
I know she won the popular vote, obviously. I wish it had mattered to the result.
I think a lot of people in America still expect a woman to be put in her “place”. Hillary was too front and center when Bill was president and it made old white guys and probably some conservative women very uncomfortable. Some even thought she was running the country and Bill was just the face of the Presidency. They don’t want to see a woman in power or one that is assertive, so they label her an unlikable b*tch. In fact this irrational hatred goes back to Arkansas when she was First Lady there b/c she didn’t want to change her last name (that was unthinkable at the time and she caved in the end) and she wasn’t the type to go to tea with the high society women or bake in her spare time. Why the Bernie bros and some super left wing people dislike her I don’t know – I guess for them its socialism or nothing.
ETA I agree her campaign and speeches weren’t the greatest, especially in comparison to Obama and Bill. However, she is known as an introvert and I can really relate to not wanting to have to go through all that show. She rather just be on the job working for America.
Yes thank you. She basically got so much irrational hate from all sides. It frustrated me so much.
I agree, people pile on HRC, as if she hasn’t loyally served this country for years, everything’s black and white with these people, it’s stupid and childish.
…says the man who is widely known for treating his band’s groupies like disposable sub-humans.
Too many fillers, Rog.
That’s juts mean … to Bernie Sanders.
Ok as much as I agree that Hillary had a likability problem (IMO mostly due to Republicans targeting her since the 90s and then breitbart, Wikileaks and Russia taking over the past year), the woman won by 2.8 million votes! I get we have the EC system and I am not saying Trump didn’t win fairly given our system but lets stop pretending she didn’t get the majority of the votes even after all the hacking and wild conspiracy theories that turned out to be untrue. Its not her fault the US continues to use an outdated system based on slavery and living in the 1800s. Also blatant sexism and misogyny still wins. I wish people would stop talking about HRC, Trump won, lets move on and try again in 2018 and 2020. /rant over
Was that all he said or did he explain what he meant? I don’t mind comments like that if the person can explain themselves. But just saying something like that with no context is dumb.
Oh no’z. Is Roger Daltrey “cancelled?”
Nah I’ve always hated The Who so no change, really.
He’s not wrong and it’s high time some of the people on this site admit a politician with a 55 percent unreliability rating has such a rating for a reason. All the awful things Donald has done…and she still lost. Was there sexism? Yes. Does that explain all the Clinton scandals since about 1982? No.
Another woman will be the first female POTUS, focus on that and let go of her already.
“Does that explain all the Clinton scandals since about 1982? No.”
Care to enlighten me about Hillary’s “scandals since 1982”? Please post links and I will happily read.
But really, if you think that another woman will be POTUS anytime soon you are seriously living in a cave.
Do you really not see what is happening in our country right now?
Have you REALLY not SEEN the pictures of dozens of old white men surrounding 45 as he signs away women’s access to healthcare?
I am so effin tired of people saying that this isn’t about sexism or misogyny when we LITERALLY just hired a sexist misogynist to be the face of our country.
And NO we won’t see Elizabeth Warren becoming POTUS or Michelle Obama or ANY of the other suggestions you guys peddle out in lieu of HRC who was MORE than qualified to run this country. Why? Because this country has a problem trusting women.
Here kitten:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_cattle_futures_controversy
So it was actually earlier, 1978!! But people here still think it was just sexism. Sexism was definitely present, but these was 40 years of problems heading up to this. She won the popular vote in 2008 too, in the dnc primary…against Obama. But people don’t talk about that, as it shows she runs bad campaign. You don’t run up the popular vote and call that a good campaign, that’s for sure.
As for another female president: of course it will happen. Elizabeth Warren is liked by the people. Tulsi Gabbard is another option. Amy Kloubuchar is also there. People rejected Hillary because of what she represented in terms of policy ultimately. After all, she lost in places Obama won…
Thanks for the link–I had actually never heard of that before. That being said, after reading everything on wiki I see ZERO proof of impropriety, only unfounded conjecture and speculation with no substantive proof.
If anything, the information in that link supports the more logical explanation that her large returns were based on high risk investments.
Sorry but I don’t see the controversy there.
Elizabeth Warren is “liked by the people”?
Look, I’m from Massachusetts, a very blue state and while my friends and I support Liz, MANY people despise here her. Don’t believe me? Check the comment section on the Herald and enjoy the misogynistic commentary from local good ol’ boys.
I posted a link of an NYT article up-thread about how the GOP has made it a personal mission to attack and demonize her. When has that never NOT worked for them? I appreciate your positivity but honestly it’s bordering on naivety.
In terms of the election results, white male voters voted 63 percent Trump to 31 percent Clinton. Among white voters without a college degree, Trump won 72 percent to 23 percent Clinton and white college-educated men voted for Trump 54 to and Clinton 39 percent.
I know it makes us feel good to think that a different female candidate would have fared better but when you take a woman who is INFINITELY more capable of running this country and run her against a man with zero political experience, a man of questionable moral character, a man who has been accused of rape and charged with fraud, I think it’s safe to say that there’s something more at play here than just “Clinton was too establishment.”
“People rejected Hillary because of what she represented in terms of policy ultimately”
She had 95% the same voting record as Bernie Sanders. She had a very comprehensive, thoughtful, and FEASIBLE policy platform. Trump’s policy platform? “Build a wall and make America great again!”
Sorry but I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
I guess we do. Great time talking with you however!
When I saw the thumbnail photo, I thought it was the actor from Some mothers do ‘ave ’em.
2,864,974.
Except for that one small detail where 3 million more people voted for Hillary.
And more than million others who didn’t.
Whatever, handmaiden.
“Bunbun”, Handmaiden???? shows your mental age.
Sounds like an old rich white guy to me. Pro Brexit even though the fallout will hurt immigrants, Brits working in other countries and the working class. Not his problem I guess. And like with a lot of old dudes, there’s this baked in layer of misogyny they don’t even realize is there. Why must Hillary be damn near perfect to beat a steaming pile of poop? And need I remind Roger, she won the popular vote even with all that Russian pro-Trump try hard. He’s in his own little world of rich white guys who don’t want the order to change. They don’t want to share and they have issues with powerful women.
I love the Who’s music. That said, I sense some typical old school rock star misogyny in his comments, as well as some highly entitled, once I got the mansion and moved to the country I didn’t have to care about anything but my high taxes, b.s.
Agreed. ‘Won’t get fooled again’. The Who are a long way from being the anti-establishment they once were.
Hasn’t his Green expired! Hey, Prince William needs a dance partner..bye now
And FYI: No cares about the popular vote, that’s not how we win elections. And Hillary wasn’t obligated to be president. Enough.
A lot of people are justifiably outraged and will remain so – with good reason. There was SO much wrong with this election. There were issues with the way Hillary’s campaign was run but the overriding problems were low voter turnout, Russian meddling and far right shenanigans. The Democrats should have been focusing on swing states and the Electoral College (which has outlived its usefulness). Those 3 million popular votes have great meaning because they indicate the direction that the country is actually leaning, and provide a sharp contrast to the current Republican party mandate of no change, no progress ever.
Don’t forget about the gerrymandering.
So she should have focused on that, and did she? No, she was in the Hamptons for much of the summer, remember?
You do know that “Bernie Bro” was a perjorative concocted by David Brock, right? The same David Brock who spent over a million dollars setting up the “Correct the Record” herd of online trolls who were paid to troll any Bernie supporters? You do know that Podesta and Debbie Wasserman Schultz colluded with the media to black out Bernie and to elevate Trump, right? You do know that Donna Brazile slipped the debate questions to Hillary in advance, right? And don’t bother denying it because she *finally* admitted it. The people who supported Hillary were literally blind to her faults and kept pointing to the Republican smear jobs. And, yes, they did – the Republicans witch-hunted for all they were worth.
But she had REAL faults that her supporters refused to see. I won’t bother to list them now, but if challenged I certainly could. As Secretary of State she did some REAL damage around the world. And any time I hear a “Pro-woman” candidate say (as I did) “we need a more muscular military”. Well, the end. She would not have been as overtly and blatantly destructive as Cheetolini, but she knew government well. She knew where all the levers and buttons were and the harm she did would have been done out of the public eye and behind closed doors and we would not have known about it until it was accomplished fact.
She lost because she ran a TERRIBLE campaign and she was too busy raising money to raise issues. She’s well aware of the electoral college, so why didn’t she campaign harder in those states instead of going to private high-dollar fundraisers. She had the total support of the media, Hollywood and the Democratic Establishment and a flabby orange con man STILL beat her. It’s on her. Stop trying to blame anything or anyone else. SHE LOST BY HERSELF.
Please don’t say that she lost all by herself while ignoring that there was a state funded Russian conspiracy engineered by Putin against her. Putin not only disliked HRC, but he wanted Trump. There has now been testimony that there were 1,000 paid trolls disseminating lies and misinformation about Hillary. Bots were also used. An FBI agent also testified that Trump had also personally used Russian style misinformation tactics against her. The Republicans held 13 hearings on Benghazi and basically found nothing except that it was a tragedy. With all that she still won the popular vote. So we now have a fool as commander in chief who is completely unprepared for the office and he has surrounded himself with his family in an amazing display of nepotism. He has insulted our closest allies and admired Putin who helped put him in office. So no, she did not lose all by herself.
Agreed, Ruyana
Giddy, there was no interference by russia beyond what usually happens. If Putin doesn’t like Hillary, well she seems to make a lot of friends, doesn’t she! Maybe next time pick someone that isn’t under FBI investigation.
Right, no interference at all. That’s why at least six intelligence agencies agreed that the Russians were interfering in the election, specifically targeting Hillary. And those were just our agencies. The British also warned our government about the Russian misinformation campaign, and their hacking. But there was no interference you say? That would be why there is a Senate committee investigating Russian interference, and their links to the Trump campaign. The House was also investigating until their chairman showed very clearly that he is too close to the White House and to Trump. The FBI is also investigating the Russian connection. These next months will be very interesting, but meanwhile we have Twitter-happy Cheetolini in the WH instead of a seasoned diplomat. As he would say, SAD!
Man, the Russian troll bots have infested this thread. Is the pay that good for selling your soul? Oh, wait, you can’t find it?
You must be joking.
Yeah, because Bernie had no REAL faults. How about his taxes, the ones he promised to reveal, for a start?
Just a few things:
Bernie is a registered Independent. The DNC owed him nothing.
Clinton is one of the most transparent candidates (tax records going back to 1977, countless hearings, public record of service going back decades). The idea that she would pull secret levers of power once in office is frankly ludicrous.
Oh, and the RNC would have LOVED to run against Bernie. Some things the DNC did not use against him, the RNC certainly would have are:
He had a child out of wedlock. I don’t care, the DNC doesn’t care, but you can be sure GOP voters would’ve been made to care.
Bernie never had a JOB until he was 40 years old. His record in the Senate is not impressive.
His wife had to resign from her job at Burlington College under a cloud of suspicion for financial mismanagement. The College was later forced to close because their debt was too high.
There’s a complete list here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_Sanders_Spam/comments/5os7nx/a_final_response_to_bernie_would_have_won/
The point I’m making is that the RNC fights dirty. And they would have loved to fight Bernie. For them he’s an easy mark. And you’re kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
Hillary spent more time with Katy Perry and other pop icons than those crucial states that Mike Moore talked about his article predicting Trump’s win: Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Why the heck did she think Katy Perry was going to help her win as POTUS? Out of touch. Bernie didn’t do the celebrity tour thing and he’s about a million times more popular with millennials and below 20s than ol’ Hills.
2 random Brexit facts I learnt today:
-) English will no longer be an official EU language (Irland and Malta chose their local language)
-) most of UK’s worldwide exports go via Rotterdam
I went down the rabbit hole to read comments on Brexit on some UK sites. There are lots of people (this the Who guy seems to be one of them) who think Brexit = getting rid of migrants but keeping prices and free trade. How can people be so out of touch?
How sad, truly sad and ignorant!
I watched The West Wing Recently for the first time (yes I’m very behind the times lol). And the difference between a TV show White House and the real White House is staggering. I just can’t believe TWW was scripted and the real one isn’t. I mean Veep isn’t as bad. And the Debate episode! It was amazing. And it made me remember the debates last year and I was in awe. I can’t believe those actually happened and actual people said Trump won those debates. I’m speechless thinking about it. 😶
I’ll just leave this here from Santos and Vinick in the Debate episode (still needed today since everyone on FB tries to pull that whole Republicam ended slavery still):
Santos: It’s true, Republicans have tried to turn ‘liberal’ into a bad word. Well, liberals ended slavery in this country.
Vinick: A Republican president ended slavery.
Santos: Yes, a liberal Republican. What happened to them? They got run out of your party. What did liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican party? I’ll tell you what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created social security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, and the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed every one of those programs. Every one. So when you try to hurl the word ‘liberal’ at my feet, as if it were dirty, something to run away from, something that I should be ashamed of, it won’t work, Senator, because I will pick up that label and wear it as a badge of honor.
Such wonderful writing! I loved that show.
Easy for him to say.
I’m the age of Jennifer Aniston and I grew up with brothers who worshipped The Who, so I know them very well. Let’s just say they’re not exactly feminists. Not even close.
I’m sorry, but he is right. Hillary is unlikable, incompetent (how many times did she visit Michigan and Wisconsin?) & arrogant. She was a bad candidate who ran a poor campaign. And the DNC corruption did not help either. Notice the Democrats are now rebuilding the DNC from scratch.
Sorry if the truth hurts.
Signed Unhappy Liberal
Not to mention the fact that her husband (who obvious has a huge impact on how she’s perceived, which is why he’s being brought up here) was the first of in the latest wave of Democrats to turn his back on the working and middle class in favour of the professional class. He said yes to NAFTA and the hollowing out of the industrial base, and turned his back on the unions, and would have privatised social security if Monica Lewinsky hadn’t happened. Also, he cancelled Glass-Steagall.
Bill fell for for free-market ideologies and there’s no evidence to suggest Hillary was any different. Obama won because he promised change but ended up refusing to punish Wall Street only because he too was in love with the professional class as the Democrats’ chosen voter base (his executive powers would’ve been more than adequate).
Trump won not because he’s a plain speaker, because he’s a racist and bigot and misogynist, or because his policies are going to help with economic inequality. He won because he ran as an outsider who promised to upend the system. Never mind his policies will make inequality far worse than Hillary’s would have. Same thing with Brexit: while it’ll make the poorer worse off, the vote for Brexit is a revolt against the establishment. In the end it all comes down to income inequality. These people feel left behind economically – it’s like someone taking a broom to your work community and your central business district, and left your community with 30% of the original jobs – and they’re going to make sure they get to the voting booth to make their angry vote.
Even a “dead dog” should have beaten Trump. That Hillary didn’t says something about the hubris that to this very day still pervades the Democratic party and Hillary’s campaign machine.