I turned off everything early last night, so imagine my surprise when I opened Twitter this morning to see that #WWIII is trending. Yes, Emperor Baby Fists bombed Syria. But let’s backtrack… how did we get here? Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad has been killing his own people for years now. In 2013, he launched a chemical attack on his own people which ended up killing more than a thousand. Tens of thousands of Syrians are dead at the hands of their own so-called leader and hundreds of thousands of Syrians have fled their country with little more than the clothes on their backs. President Obama came dangerously close to launching a larger military strike in 2013 (but wouldn’t you know, Congress wasn’t into it). Around that same time, Donald Trump was on The Apprentice and tweeting out foreign policy statements like this:
Be prepared, there is a small chance that our horrendous leadership could unknowingly lead us into World War III.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 31, 2013
Now that Obama’s poll numbers are in tailspin – watch for him to launch a strike in Libya or Iran. He is desperate.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 9, 2012
#bigmistake pic.twitter.com/u3xFXrTR6m
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) April 7, 2017
Skip ahead to 2017. Our current Russian-backed Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was in Ankara several days ago. He spoke about the Syrian situation and Assad. Tillerson said: “[The] longer-term status of President Assad will be decided by the Syrian people.” Meaning, Tillerson indicated that the official policy of the US was to shrug and allow Vladimir Putin, Assad and Iran to do whatever they wanted in Syria. Which they heard loud and clear. Just days later, Assad (with Russia’s help) launched another horrific chemical attack on the Syrian people.
So for days now, people have been like “What Will Bigly Do?” What he decided to do was launch an airstrike of 59 Tomahawk missiles on a Syrian airfield. He announced the strike from Mar-a-Lago (THIS IS OUR REALITY), where he is currently hosting the Chinese delegation. Apparently, Emperor Bigly did manage to “inform” Russian forces on the ground in Syria, but Tillerson claims that Putin and Trump didn’t speak. Rand Paul and some other Republicans are making noise about how Bigly absolutely needed Congressional approval, but most Republicans are praising him. Oh, and Russia isn’t happy – go here for a more comprehensive breakdown of what’s happening.
What’s striking is that now we’re less than three months into the Bigly Administration and we’re getting our first look at how Bigly makes major foreign policy decisions. Who would have thought? He’s incoherent, unpredictable and incapable of thinking of long-term ramifications.
Trump supporters trying to figure out how to blame this on Hillary and Obama #WWIII pic.twitter.com/iL0wTEDWOK
— Rishabh Sharma (@im_srishabh21) April 7, 2017
Photos courtesy of Getty.
When your numbers are down, go to war. This was GWB’s strategy. It seems to be what Republicans do.
Yeppppp. He’s about to start a war because after 100 days he will have accomplished nothing. I also find it funny (in he tragic sense) because these are the same republicans that couldn’t decide what to do about Syria in 2013 when Obama brought the issue before congress. Smh
The saddest thing is that in 2013, there was a Syrian opposition who maybe could have been helped. Now, that opposition has effectively been obliterated.
Please don’t kick me out of the resistance 🙁 but this is the only thing Trump has done in his entire selfish, soulless, racist, misogynistic life that I approve of. I saw the news bulletin before going to bed and I felt so much relief. Those videos of little children being hosed down to remove chemical weapons from their tiny bodies completely broke my heart. I could not stop crying throughout the day. We said “never again” and the arc of moral universe demanded this response, regardless of the consequences.
It was completely unexpected and quick. And like a dog who has behaved badly, you need to reprimand them right away so they forever associate the punishment with the misbehvior. I I think the Russians were too much in shocked surprise to stop the airstrikes even with prior warning.
I am aware in reading this morning’s papers of the greater consequences of this strike on our relationship with Russia and Iran on fighting terrorism, but they really have been all talk with no action in relation to fighting ISIS. So I still stand by Trump’s decision to strike. But will fight him on EVERTHING ELSE, don’t misunderstand me because I’m still 100% team #impeachtheorangeone
But he did it for all the wrong reasons. It accomplished nothing.
Matter of fact, I firmly believe it was planned. The initial bombing by Assad, the responses from trump, the faux outrage from putin.
They planned this, to boost ratings, to distance from russia and putin, to deflect from the investigations.
He wagged the dog, so please don’t fall for it 🙁
@ Original TC-You think Trump cares about the gassing of innocent civilians? You think Trump cares about the people of Syria–you know, the same people who he refuses to let into our country? This is about posturing, nothing more, nothing less.
And nobody can convince me with certainty that Putin didn’t tip of Assad after her heard from Trump.
Now that’s not to say that I don’t understand your emotional response to the chemical attacks and of course you are not kicked out of the Resistance! 😉 But I just want people to think a little more clearly about this. Now is not the time to begin trusting Trump, a man who is quite literally all over the place about Syria, changing his mind from one day to the next. That does not speak to someone who has a cogent strategy in place.
I agree with Original T.C. When Syrian refugees, Syrian opposition, Syrian humanitarians approve of his attack, who am I to say it’s wrong? It may not be the final blow to that dictator As*hat, but most of Syrian people think of it as the first time in the last five years that someone cares. It has a tremendous pschychological (sp?) meaning to almost a whole nation of people who felt completely alone and abandoned in their suffering. Most of them don’t agree with Trump’s other policies, it’s political stand or even his persona in general, but agree and welcome his action;as many of them pointed out, they adored Obama, but he didn’t help them. Trump put one of the military bases that launched planmes which killed thousands and thousands with barrel and chemical bombs out of comission. No matter how you look at it, that’s something(and as I0ve lived to pretty brutal war as a child, one that left 1/3 of my country comletely destrozed and thousands dead, tortured and suffering, I can tell you that any help is welcome help, especially when you’re on the verge of ethnical cleansing). No kidding, look up at The Syria campaign twitter.
He doesn’t care about the long term, the big picture. I hope the military is planning this the way it needs to be done.
We have troops on the ground in Syria. I hope they aren’t targeted. I think this needed congressional approval. I think Congress failed in2013. I hate seeing that pinned on Obama. The post-9/11 authorizations do not apply to Syria government. If this had been a strike against Isis, it was legal. But as it is, I’m not so sure.
While I tend to agree with the strategy of taking out airforce bases, we can’t allow the POTUS to be the only decision maker when it comes to war.
Same ones who said NO when Obama sought congressional approval are cheering Trump for acting without seeking congressional approval. Assad didn’t do anything this week that he hasn’t been doing for years.
This was planned a few days ahead. US forces were moving into place 2 days before the launch. Trump did this without congressional approval. Obama sought congressional backing in 2013. When he didn’t get it he didn’t move forward with the plan. Can you imagine the GOP outrage if he had? Now? Crickets.
There are conspiracy theories on both sides of the political spectrum about who actually gassed the Syrian people with many pointing out it doesn’t make much sense for Assad to have done this now. While I have no opinion on whether Assad did it or not, I am enjoying the far right “false flag” theories which inevitably involve George Soros. That would include Trump’s buddy Alex Jones of InfoWars.
Huh. Something tells me that civilian attack was a Putin plot. As was the subsequent US attack. As I understand it, Russia could have deployed defence misiles against the US attack and did not. Why????
Either Putin decided to test Trump to see how he responds by encouraging Assad to do this. Or Putin planned this course of events to shake the political threat to his assets in the White House (watch Trump supporters claiming that this incident “proves” that Trump is not a Putin plant).
Assad has used chlorine gas several times with no consequences from the US. With Tillerson and Spicer saying the US would not move to remove Asssad, he went for a more powerful chemical agent. This fits Assad’s pattern.
Thanks @Kitten for not kicking me out of the resistance 🙂 and your wise analysis of the situation. It gives me more objective information to chew on; harm to children is my emotional Achilles heel. I love celebitchy for the diverse, INTELLIGENT viewpoints. It has been my place of sanity since Agent Orange took over.
Missiles or not – the ONE thing the poor civilians in Syria need is aid. They need doctors, food, medicine and shelter. They need a place to go where their children will not be murdered in front of their eyes.
I cried like a baby yesterday seeing those images, it s heartbreaking. I donated to White Helmets because they are on the ground and doing what they can. I will call and email our Canadian representatives to ask why aren’t we doing more – help them there, bring them here, I don’t care, they need help. At this point I’m half convinced Trump will start some s*it that will kill us all but in the meantime we should try to help those who are truly abandoned and alone now.
I’ve taken the first thing smoking back to Conspiracy Town again. I don’t think Trump cares a single iota about gassed Syrian kids. Remember he doesn’t even want to allow them refuge here.
I think this is theater and Putin is the Director. Trump is effing up terribly. They needed to change the subject. Assad’s madness gave them an opening (possibly on Putin’s orders). Putin and Assad’s comments seem quite choreographed. I do not trust any of the players and none of them care anything about the Syrian people. There’s plenty of proof of that.
I don’t think this will escalate to war. This is simply a distraction using real human lives like so many tokens in a board game. Disgusting.
Bottom line, Trump is 100% compromised and is a clear and present danger to all of us. Speed up the investigation because he has got to go…soon.
We knew before he was elected, Trump would bring us into war. We knew it – all of us, even those who voted against him. The fact that there is male aggression between Putin,and those who defend the Western Fron,t the red line of
Europe, NATO (Great disaster- f*ck – when will this ever be enough (?) on the map of dominations ove the blobe – someday the world will fight over Africa – and we will care… ?) {!!!}
We , everyone one of us, want only a few things – love and respect -perhaps an olive tree front and back and doves singing the praises of morning.
Other than that, Putin, Trump, Asad, and whoever, should just leave us alone to enjoy what they most desire…what is ours, already, every starry night and every morning… I read that Putin’s favorite song of the Beatles is “Yesterday”. We only ask that he go there, and stay forever in his happiness, leaving us all alone without his direction!!!
Original T.C. I stand behind you on this. And yes Kitten, I do think he cares about the Syrian children and was upset by the videos. He has children and grandchildren, and is a human being (an emotional one at that).
I get that people are afraid of war. But it was high time America sent a STRONG message to the world. And we warned Russia in plenty of time to get their troops out. The TomaHawk missiles hit everyone of the their targets while missing the staches of chemical weapons between each target. It was a thing of beauty – destroy the air station that launched the chemical weapons. Bang. Instant consequence for gassing your own people.
Yes bang! My last lover was from Iraq . Bang, bang, and people are dead. Crumpet, children are crying for parents who are silent forever, no one to care for them like love.. This is not tea and biscuits in the AM. This is horror that we can’t watch on Netflix. Our soldiers come back from war with PTSD. Where is the beauty of this? This is now – Drumph, seeing his power to destroy, and create monsters with unimaginable money – that is us – war crime..
I hear you. But somehow I don’t think Bigly’s approach to Syria was as much calculating as it was just ignorant and reckless, every step of the way so far. I guess the end result is the same, though. Just when I thought things couldn’t get scarier.
Yes, it is very scary to be in a war against an ideology. I am so sick of the Trump Administration.
While watching evening cable news shows, it was apparent there would be something happening before night ended.
Sources were saying a response could happen within hours, and in less than two hours, it was breaking news.
I love this place. Seriously.
We should NOT be bombing Syria. Airstrikes without clear strategy does NOTHING to help and risks the lives of innocent Syrians..
Syria is NOT an ally of ours so why the hell are we getting involved in this???
What we SHOULD do is continue to provide humanitarian aid in Syria and OPEN our f*cking borders to Syrian refugees.
JFC. He couldn’t WAIT to start dropping bombs.
But Easy D hates humanitarian efforts and brown refugees. He gets his kicks fake driving a big rig and bombing the shit out of a nation we shouldn’t provoke to prove he’s manly. He has major “tiny hands” syndrome.
I think he calculates as much as a toddler does. This is the equivalent of a tantrum. You won’t let me have dessert before dinner? Fine. I’m going to my room to destroy my brother’s Lego castle!
I’m so damn tired already that I can’t even muster up any outrage. That’s … troubling. Good gawd.
Assad committed a crime against humanity. If the US did not respond he would have taken that as a signal that he can act with total impunity. At least now some red line, however thin, has been drawn.
There are many reasons for the US and the EU to intervene in this conflict. If they are unwilling to do so for humanitarian reasons, they should do so out of self interest. Any humanitarian crisis left unattended will eventually land on your shores in the form of refugees or terrorism. Since we are seeing both from this crisis, perhaps it is time to bring about it’s end.
And we must also acknowledge that ISIS and Assad are entirely responsible for their actions, but the US created the power vacuum that seeded this conflict.
He wants to “solve” the conflict I Syria so he can send back all of the unwanted refugees that Obama welcomed.
Trump is repulsive and predictive. Now he finally got the war he was praying for.
Well and how would this end look like, Megan?
@Valois Without Western intervention, this war will not end until Assad has killed every one of his opponents. A large scale gas attack signals he is heading in that direction. Do you believe that will be a sustainable peace?
Megan, I never implied that. I obviously don’t believe that Assad should remain in charge but it’s not like there’s a magical solution to the issue either.
Intervening is not as easy as some people make it out to be. How would the long-term strategy look like? I’m too afraid that it would result in a second Iraq or Libya.
As awful as the situation is, I would not want my country to get involved in a military intervention, especially right now with the US not being a reliable ally anymore.
Aid and helping refugess? That’s an obvious yes.
Killing – sending bullets into another mother’s sons is Never the answer. Perhaps it cannot be avoided, but it is Never the answer to any equation that does anything, but harm to every soul who participates, even by the mere reading of the story. One might laugh at this idea, but war has very severe consequences on all of Us. It is nothing but horror, and a personal nightmare. Anyone who has been thru war can attest to horror that is unspeakable.
Pray for peace, perhaps not to God, but for One Another.
Yes, completely predictable. And right now, all for show, too.
And what’s this about the CIA knowing about Russian electoral interference earlier than the FBI … and no one doing anything?
@who I could not believe it when I read that story. WTF? I thought the CIA and FBI were supposed to be protecting our democracy, not passively observing its demise.
Ugh. I will never forgive the intelligence agencies for putting the country in this position. They should have moved much faster and harder against the Trump Campaign, early early early on. And Comey opened an investigation of HRC’s emails ONE WEEK before the election, and announced it, rather than telling the public about the ongoing investigation into Trump’s Russia ties. Whatever harm Trump’s administration inflicts on the intelligence community, I hope members of that community realize that their leaders opened the door and invited the danger in.
That’s the thing I can’t get over. They knew this, all of this. But only talked about Hilary/emails blah, blah, blah. Did the Republicans think they would be able to control him? I am so disillusioned with my country and where we are headed. Praying for intelligence to prevail but how?
That’s my take. That and justifying cutting program funding to fund the war machinery to make his buddies (and likely himself) richer. The nerve of not allowing Syrian refugees in but crying crocodile tears about the babies being killed. Also, more deflection about the Russia scandal. Start a war! What scandal!
“The nerve of not allowing Syrian refugees in but crying crocodile tears about the babies being killed.”
Yes to this!
Warning to everyone: do not read the comments sections anywhere (besides here). The trolls are out and it’s beyond unbelievable how his supporters are reacting.
They just have zero critical thinking skills. They, like trump, just react to exactly what is in front of them.
2 bans, he tried to implement, saying no to refugees. NOW is a deplorable situation. I hate him, I don’t even have words.
I read the comments at Breitbart etc. this morning. I so regret it.
I read some comments at Jezebel this morning and most of them were okay. I would rather gouge out my own eyes than peek at Breitbart or Fox News, though.
I haven’t read it yet this morning, but I’ve been a Fox News comment reader for a while (maybe I’m a masochist?) and have see a shift in the last few months. A lot of the rabid pro-Trump commenters pushing an agenda are gone. Now there’s usually a lot of dumb jokes about liberals and recycled Hillary jokes, but not as much “theory.” So were those posts from Trump voters who have become disillusioned or were they Russian? And yes, I know how crazy that would have sounded a few years ago.
bleu_moon, interesting. I’m a comment reader too, trying to glean some insight from the vitriol, and also hoping to discern a change of heart. Glad to hear you’ve noticed a shift. Although I’m guessing that the Syria strike might result in yet another shift in tone.
@bleu_moon – one of the comment sites I frequent has seen it’s ups and downs in comments from trolls, but you can definitely see them when they’re there. Usually an uptick in their presence just precedes or follows big Russia news. The paid trolls are definitely still around.
If there’s a ground war you just know those commenters will be the first to put on a uniform. Yeah, right, they’re chickensh1t chickenhawks just like their hero.
I’ve noticed that Vets who actually saw combat are usually not as conservative and are frequently quite liberal. Especially compared to the armchair warriors who waged the battle on Fox.
Actually, vets tend to be more conservative. They typically vote republican. Maybe you know liberal vets but don’t apply that to an entire group of people when studies say otherwise.
LLamas-Sorry, I intended my comment as an personal observation and that may be my group of friends and neighbors. You are correct that I should have phrased it better. I know several Gulf War and Iraq vets who are moderate conservatives and several are democrats. I was surprised at how many voted for Hillary or didn’t vote at all rather than vote for Trump. I based that on conversations I’ve had with younger vets from the Gulf War, Iraq and Afghanistan war who saw combat versus the rabid Fox watchers I know who were never in the military.
Llamas – voting Republican is not the same as cheering for war. Many combat veterans are much more dubious of shooting wars because they know how it works on the ground, regardless of other political beliefs. Trump has never been in combat and still seems rather starry eyed about military action. Some people don’t need combat experience to understand how awful war is for civilians and soldiers because they have a functional imagination, but Trump isn’t really one of them.
To partially quote G. McGovern: “Old men (dream) up wars for young men to die in.”
@bleu moon -no need to apologize!! I think a lot didn’t vote for trump which is unusual. I read somewhere that some said they wished presidents had military experience. Which I think makes perfect sense.
@jwoolman – I never said anything about trump and the experience of war. Please don’t strawman me. I never insinuated that republicans = cheering for war. I was merely stating what studies have produced. I agree that trump doesnt know wtf hes doing. But i oils argue Obama wasn’t exactly the brst either. neither has military experience experience
Llamas- I wasn’t trying to strawman you. I was just using what you said about vets voting Republican and being relatively conservative as a jumping off point to add to the discussion, it wasn’t intended to assume anything further about your actual beliefs or opinions. Something you said just triggered another thought. I never know where a reply will end up sometimes and it’s hard to follow in mobile view… So I generally will use the original poster’s name just to keep it straight where the reply belongs.
I’m a Gulf War vet and a registered Independent. I did not vote for the Orange One, but I have family, also vets, who did. Many older vets are conservative and think the Republicans are here to help us because in the past Republicans have supported the military. But, when I remind them the Republican controlled Congress has consistently voted against vets in the last decade, it’s tone-deaf responses. I’ve come to believe Trump supporters will believe anything he says regardless of facts or evidence to the contrary. Personally I’d never vote for a draft-dodger like Trump. Military service breeds strength of character…Trump doesn’t have the moral fiber to wear the uniform.
Not only that, but one wonders whether all are actual human beings (of whatever mental capacity) or some kind of automated comment-bot.
If Congress decides it wants to give approval over further military action, what are the odds McConnell will decide to abolish the filibuster for legislation too?
He won’t need to abolish the filibuster. Democrats will vote for it. It was Republicans that blocked action in 2013. Ryan and McConnell are not interested in fighting another ground war that, if won, comes with a huge nation building tab.
Let’s hope that the wrong people block it for the right reasons, then.
Surprisingly, T_D (the Reddit sub) has been kind of critical of this move. Some redditors have even outright stated they no longer support him. I was pretty shocked to see that!
It runs contrary to their “America First” isolationism. Trump sort of ran on that- depending on which audience he was speaking to that day.
I don’t plan on it. I’ll still be called a “butt hurt liberal snowflake “. Even a situation like this won’t wake up the Trumpsters
By the time this orange turd’s fans realize this was a mistake, it will go the way of GWB where my grandma and some other family members found a way to blame Bill Clinton and Obama.
I’m not sure why chemical weapons are the red line. Obama withdrew his threat when Putin (at least according to American media) was destroying them forever from the conflict (assPutin lying to the American people about taken those weapons away). I’m not sure why Drumph is now calling the child victims of chemical weapons, “children of god”…I think it must hurt just to have arms and legs blown off. Why the children now, after all this destruction of them? Do chemicals hurt children more than bombs?
As soon as Putin convinced America that it had taken chemical weapons off Asad’s table, his Russia began the buildup of weapons and airstrips in Syria. If this were a game of chess, I would look at Putin…
Chemical weapons? Do they hurt more – or kill more people than bombs? Why are Western powers acting so aggressively to pain, suddenly? Drumph or Putin…? And why do they have the right to involve normal people in killing?
Comment sections these days seem to turn into soul sucking pits of despair so quickly. I read a few comments on a Canadian site that had an article about Trump’s bombing of Syria, and about 45% of the comments were about how Hillary should be strung up for allowing this to happen by… I don’t know… apparently various traitorous things. It’s like, even Trump’s own supporters can’t find anything good to say about him anymore, so they are still attacking Hillary. I can’t wait for the day when people start blaming Trump for his behavior and not a woman who is in no way responsible for the Orange Turd’s behavior.
I never realized that misogyny was THIS pervasive still. And yes, I know how privileged I am to say that; I knew sexism was still rampant and have been a victim of it myself, but just the sheer HATRED of strong women has really caught me off-guard.
Hillary is in favor of bombing airbases in Syria but if she were President, she would have first obtained Congressional approval, wouldn’t have issued the decision from a golf club, would have actually consulted widely with others about it, and wouldn’t have seen it as a way to boost herself in the polls and therefore would be more likely to keep the action limited. Oh, she also wouldn’t be blocking refugees and drastically cutting foreign aid that can actually help the targeted populations.
@jwoolman: I totally agree with you. I wasn’t really commenting on Hillary’s policy re: Syria; she would have gone through proper channels and made decisions based on multiple intelligence sources and years of experience and knowledge. The fact that Trump ordered the strike from his golf course pretty much says it all in regards to how well-reasoned and strategized his plans are.
I was off on a tangent, really. I was happy to see that some Trump supporters were upset with him about his policy change and I thought that finally his base might even be turning against him… but they’re not really turning against him, they are simply blaming his actions on Hillary. Which… is some kind of bullsh*t, really… it’s not HIllary’s “fault” for losing an election. It’s the fault of those who voted for this orange monster and the people who didn’t vote at all. I don’t know… this whole cluster f*ck of an administration has me all over the place these days.
The best thing about sexism, is that it’s bullshit – simply lies that can be proven untrue. There not much good about it in the real world, but when it comes to courage, we can’t un-know, what we know.
I heard Breitbart was full of people mad at Trump, same as Reddit.
It may not last, they’ll make excuses, but at least a crack has appeared.
If I were a witch intent on revenge for sexism, I would string up the FBI director, Comey – who definitely swayed the election – it’s not even a question, or a duh? Then I would hang Trump and Putin. Little feet swaying in the wind, like they do to all their “witches” – farmhands, slaves, or different tribes of people. That’s disgusting that I think of them like that. War changes our brains.
Next question, is how do we accomplish these tasks, for the good of our children, which is basically all women think about…
We are the superior sex. Men know that, which is why we have sexism. I love men, my male children, who would never call me a witch, outcast or impure, for caring about every living thing. They do believe in violence – bigger is better…. It takes a long time for a woman to convince her male children, that even if that is their observation, it is not truth.
Jesus might have called it’s God’s love – but on earth, there has been no love so amply demonstrated as by females, for their offspring. Ladies, this biology does not belong to men, even if they are called “jesus”; God’s unconditional love, or what is women create which is, heaven on earth…
All men long for heaven on earth. That is female power. That is also why they are afraid of us. We are everything they long for. Mormon polygamy, or the ??? virgins upon death for an Islamic martyr – it’s everywhere – men want us so bad!@!! They want to control everything about us, because we are just that powerful. It’s been going on for centuries, this patriarchy…
Do we need to stand up against the male desire to eyeball us as meat? – what is termed in feminism as the “male gaze”? I could be wrong, but I see this as our natural advantage, and we should use our power to scare the shit out of them, as we obviously do. While they consider every female vulnerable to their rape fantasies, we can consider that they just are crazy about each one of us. We don’t even need to try!!! – while they need to rape and burn. What is the next move, fellow tacticians?
Drumph, and pussy-grabbing? Perhaps we need to continue fighting for the rights of women and children, without the pussy grabbers – or those who would make war on innocents to prove “something”.
I think you misunderstand the meaning of the term ‘troll’. A troll is someone who knowingly posts deliberately exaggerated opposing opinions in order to stir things up. These people are genuine, which is much more troubling.
My disugust for those that voted for him grows by leaps and bounds everyday. Go read some of his old tweets and you will see that he did this as a distraction. Oh and he did it while he is back on vacation on the tax payers $.
My hatred for the people who put this buffoon into power goes beyond words. WWIII is going to get started by a caricature of a politician, how is this real?
And it’s not just hundred thousands of Syrians, it’s millions. There are almost five million who fled from Syria, never mind the millions who were displaced within the borders. Altogether they make up more than 10 million people. TEN million people. It’s so screwed up.
And the US shut its doors to these “terrorists” that he now suddenly feels bad about. Right.
When I got home last night, I yelled at my mom and asked how happy with her choice is she now. My Trump supporter mom finally didn’t defend the orange monster. She just silently left the room
Ouch. I look forward to your dispatches about your mom, Beth.
He already confessed lol.
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
The only reason President Obama wants to attack Syria is to save face over his very dumb RED LINE statement. Do NOT attack Syria,fix U.S.A.
7:13 AM – 5 Sep 2013
War is always a good way to up ratings and deflect FBI investigations.
I wonder if Putin will drop the receipts? Reports are saying that Syrian forces haven’t been too badly damaged and that they got forewarning. Apparently Russia got told in advance so it stands to reason that they tipped off Assad.
It also is a money maker for defense-related companies.
They have to use up the old weapons before they can order new ones. First thing I thought of when I heard 59 missiles were launched at at one airbase (more than half ended up hitting the nearby desert instead).
Or, as some of us might remember….
There’s plenty of good money to be made by supplying the Army with the tools of the trade.
— Country Joe and the Fish, I Feel Like I’m Fixing To Die Rag
trump owns stock in the missiles he used.
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/tomahawk-missiles-were-wrong-choice-for-syria-attack-but-donald-trump-owns-stock-in-the-company/2224/
Ugh I hate this Orange Monstrosity. For the first time in my life I feel like I wouldn’t totally discount a conspiracy theory and deflection put on by Cheeto, and Putin to turn attention away from the Russia scandal and every other disaster of the past 12 weeks. And I was one who never believed Iraq had WMDs and we were after oil but at least I know GWB wasn’t colluding with Saddam.
Yep, it was on the news that Syrian planes where again flying out of the attacked airbase/airfield a few hours after the US strike happened.
It seem that this is the biggest distraction of the all. He must be jumping up and down and clapping his little hands. Interesting that the Chinese leader is with him today – a perfect opportunity to show the “military might of the USA” so don’t mess with us.
Hey, anyone check out the C-level country-club menu served to the Chinese last night? Super tacky. Insulting. Great Twitter response though … “your cousin’s bat mitzvah from 1972,” that kind of thing.
I didn’t but I saw another one, maybe from when the Japanese PM was visiting. I think their menu must always feature old-school crap like that.
So sad when you think of the innovative and thoughtfully sourced cuisine that many White House chefs have prepared with such care for visiting dignitaries.
This really shocked me, and I’m trying to figure out how to react. I have so many questions floating around in my head, and it’s not even 8 AM here. The next few days will definitely be interesting.
Wonder what Putin will do…
Mte, what is Putin thinking now? Trump tipped the Russians off so they tipped the Syrian army off, so what the hell was the point of this? Just to make him feel better about those “beautiful babies?” I’m so confused, he hurts my brain. Assad must be laughing at the insanity of it all…
I feel so conflicted over this. Last night I was shaking and nauseous and sobbing because i once again tried to watch footage of the chemical attack. It is so horrendous I can’t even breath. I can’t watch it I start to literally panic and I ran out of the room.
When I heard that an airfield was under strike my heart said “good! punish Assad and take away his ability to do this!”
The more rational part of my brain begins to turn the ramifications over and over, to fear the possible retaliation, to fear that our president is so rash and did not coordinate with congress and/or our allies.
But still part of me is glad something happened. I literally feel hate toward Donald Trump, but I am somehow glad that missiles reigned down from my country onto an airfield in response to this absolutely heinous treatment of families, of babies in their beds, of fellow humans.
I’m with you, I thought I was hardened to the news of today, but the footage of those children made me cry like it was my own family. I’m glad we bombed their airstrips, something that Hilary Clinton said she would do if she were in the position to do so, so that made me feel like it was the right thing to do. We have many allies in this world who were waiting for the U.S. to do something, on a smaller scale it’s like watching someone smack their kid in public, it’s hard to stand there and watch it happen and not say something. I may be eating my words later, but I’m ok with this decision, but still very nervous of the future, because he still doesn’t know what the crap he’s doing!!
My feelings exactly ! I’m very conflicted about this as well…
How does Trump blowing up an airfield stop Assad from doing something equally as heinous in a different manner?
It doesn’t.
This is what I worry about. Assad is a madman and a war criminal and he has a stockpile of Sarin.
Exactly this.
Trump knows that people will get behind him because people like Patricia are (understandably) responding to the chemical attacks with emotion. WHAT is Trump’s strategy? He has been ALL over the place on this. Just last week he was saying that Assad’s regime will remain in place and we will not act, now this.
My opinion is that we need to stay the F*CK out of military conflicts that don’t involve us. Aid? YES. Aid and let’s take in refugees but we don’t need to be bombing Syria.
@kitten
All I can think of is when he was debating strategy with Hilary and he was adamant the he “had a plan” and people wouldn’t see it coming. 😐
I can’t help but think this is his plan: lie to everyone, the American people, and blow sh!t up. Then pat himself on the back for his super secretive plan which, at its core, is “quietly” stealing whatever Hilary said about how to handle Syria in the debates. With the added bonus of subterfuge and treason.
I’m with you–we need to stay out of international conflict and increase refugee assistance which will not happen with this administration.
Right. I think to be effective, they needed to take out all of Assads Air Force,which is a much bigger and more complicated operation. I worry for the Syrian people that they will be used for retaliation.
Gas attacks get the emotions going, but conventional weapons make people just as dead. Assad has killed 100,000 over the past six or seven years. The US killed more than 100,000 civilians in just a few months in each of the Gulf Wars under Bush 1 and Bush 2. Our military deliberately targeted clean water supplies, condemning many babies to death because they dehydrate so easily with diarrhea from contaminated water. It’s not hard to kill tons of civilians with non-chemical weapons.
I agree. My instincts tell me what we’re being told is not the real story. This is a dog and pony show cooked up by several psychopaths.
It sends a message. Clear and simple. Of course he can still gass his own people, but now maybe he will think twice before doing it.
The strike does nothing if you tip off Russia beforehand and therefore Assad. This strike was completely useless and was a posturing action more than a well thought out military plan.
This also. Please guys, let’s think this one through.
We are obligated by agreement to alert the Russians before carrying out such attacks. I’m all for that. I want those bases to be completely empty before the missiles arrive. Syrian soldiers are also somebody’s husband, somebody’s son, somebody’s brother, somebody’s father. We don’t want our soldiers killed and neither do the Syrians. Aim at the equipment, not the people.
@Jwoolman-Of course we had to coordinate with Russia on this but BEFORE Congress? That doesn’t seem a bit backwards to you?
Kitten – of course it’s backwards… it’s the Orange Maroon! 🙂
But the difference is that there is a formal agreement to alert Russia and Trump’s bff Putin that Trump and/or his people seem to know about and respect, while Trump thinks consulting with Congress is optional. Khan was right, he really hasn’t read the Constitution. Trump had no intention of asking Congress, even though they likely would have approved it. I’m surprised people like McMasters didn’t bring that up. Maybe they did and Trump ignored it. He tends to feel an urgency where there is none, such as his insistence on dumping the Muslim ban on airports without warning, claiming that otherwise “bad dudes” would take advantage somehow.
The purpose was not kill anyone, but to demonstrate to Assad that we can take out his air force if we choose to do so. So far, we just took out the base that launched the chemical weapons (without missing a target I might add).
Assad and Putin are bullies. The only way to deal with bullies is to stand up to them. In a strategic way (which Trump did).
I feel really confused about this as well. I can barely process it all. But… I think that’s the point. This is an amazing scapegoat for a president who committed treason and is under investigation, as the noose begins to tighten. This is a great distraction. Please, media, do not let this overshadow the Russia scandal.
At the same time, those people, murdered…. its horrific. But I almost blame the trump administration for provoking this attack, since they publicly stated that they essentially didn’t care what happened to the Syrian people.
I totally blame Trump for provoking the attack. Remember how people thought he was trying to provoke a terrorist attack so he could justify a war? Now he got his attack and as a serendipitous bonus it didn’t have to involve American civilian casualties.
You do realise that Assad is fighting Al-Qaeda & ISIS, though, not the Ewoks? As soon as he is out of power, the vacuum in government will be filled with Islamic Extremists and the deeply unfair but stable and largely secular country that Syria once was will seem like a blissful utopia compared to its current future. Trump just brought that reality a step closer, completely ignoring the lessons learnt from Iraq, Libya, etc…
Even an abhorrant monster can be the lesser of two evils.
That’s the thing, Kyra. What’s a good end game here? I’ve yet to hear one. ISIS is the 2nd most powerful force there. They will fill the void if Assad is removed. Sadly, I don’t think Trump thinks for a moment about how things will end up.
This is an unfortunate reality. We’ve seen I think before. Tito, saddam, when they were taken out of power something else came in and led to the mess we have now.
ISIS is actually a good bet for taking over if Assad is pushed out.
Consider Iraq. Hussein’s secular Ba’ath government was actually keeping a lid on religious extremists (who knew?). His government included Christians (a large minority in Iraq, going back to the earliest times) and different types of Muslims in high positions. Women could wear Western dress if they wanted and had good access to education. Part of the reason the US wanted permanent military bases in Iraq was because it was culturally much more comfortable for Americans – until the US bombed, invaded, occupied, and took over the government. Extremists filled the power void and Al Quaeda and then ISIS grew more powerful. The US actions were the best recruiting tool they ever had.
In Syria, the fallout will be minimal only if Trump stops with this one strike against a mostly empty airbase. But every time civilians are killed, whether due to US attacks on ISIS or against the Syrian government, resentment will grow.
What you said jwoolman. It sucks that the world works that way. I was only 10 when saddam died (im young lol) but I remember everything that happened during those years. He was evil an so it’s sad he was the one to keep things in check.
I didn’t sleep at all last night. My boyfriend stayed on the phone with me and tried to calm me down. This is so scary.I can’t believe it
This has been going on for years now. I suspect this is just the first time it’s been big enough to hit national headlines because of the video footage available. Assad’s forces killed more than a thousand in 2013 with sarin gas, and we didn’t drum up as much international drama. Syria was going to be a mess whether we intervened or not, but Trump pretending like this is the moral event horizon is just infuriating. People have been dying all along. Nobody is going to benefit from this – certainly not the Syrian people who will bear the brunt of the violence.
@Veronica, that’s horrifying. Suddenly the world cares about those kids? Of course not, there’s something else going on.
Maybe it’s the first time Fox News ran such video? That’s what Trump watches.
Narcissists are deeply aware of their own emotional state, but they typically lack true empathy. Everything else we’ve seen from Trump indicates this describes him also. I wonder if he took that approach in what he said because other people decided this would work best, not because he himself was especially moved by it. Some of it sounds like Pence (“child of God”).
Thank you Patricia for voicing what I am not able to put into words myself. I don’t know what will happen next and the orange man is the last person in the world that should have responsibility for determining this, but something had to be done.
Did anyone elses’s mama teach her that two wrongs do not make a right? This is a small space for females to operate in, but truth prevails, with free speech.
This is all about his pole ratings. We all know how much he likes to talk about his pole numbers. Since he became president he has been in the 40-35%. I prey I’m wrong but just three days ago he had no interest in what was going over in Syria. In 2013 He begged BO over 40 times in his tweets not to in get involved in Syria, now within three days he’s sending missiles. I hope I’m wrong, but I put nothing pass this lying orange pretend president.
Correction: should have written, poll numbers, not pole numbers. I was so upset, I did not read my comment.
He’s concerned about his pole ratings too. He keeps trying to make us believe that it is bigger than his hands indicate. Collecting missiles and blowing things up with them makes him feel more manly about his pole.
I am so horrified by this lunatic orange monster – I really needed that laugh, Lightpurple – Thank you!
Everything about this airstrike is just wrong. So many questions:
How does this help the Syrians at all? I don’t think it will, unless we are talking about the Al-Queda/ Daesh recruiters.
What is Assad going to do in retaliation?
Is this even legal?
Why did he warn the Russians before he called Congress?
This all just seems like political theater than true intervention to cover up the Russia scandal. He bombs half of an empty airfield, but wants to bar Syrian refugees from escaping the horror of Assad and his military.
For me, this is clearly showing how malleable and weak this POS really is. Dump has no true belief system, he says what he wants one moment and then someone gets in his ear, plies him with false compliments, and then he says what was just whispered to him. He rolls with whatever agenda is placed before him without any substantive thought as to the consequences of his actions.
While I had my issues with Obama on Syria, I am starting to see why he didn’t want to intervene here. This is not a fight that America can truly win. All I heard last night from Republicans with short attention spans on MSNBC was how weak Obama was or how he dropped the ball on Syria and I’m like: what was he truly supposed to do in this country? Especially when we are already at war in several other countries. Killing Assad is not going to create peace in that country. It didn’t change anything in Libya. Instead, it is going to create an even larger power vacuum. Plus, all those idiots conveniently forgot that he did go to Congress and Congress said and did nothing. This is impulsivity being confused with decisiveness.
This is what Assad did in retaliation. It’s already happened.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/apr/07/us-syria-response-donald-trump-assad-pentagon-live
ETA: I read that headline to mean that he already attacked again, after trump’s attempts. Help me out, because I can’t find any other info anywhere.
I was only able to find a press release from Assad stating that “Trump is being irresponsible and reckless”. I feel weird agreeing with a dictator.
I agree, AT. This is an impossibly tricky, complicated situation and Bigly’s impulsiveness is the last thing anyone needs here. I was listening to a couple scholars talk about Syria last night and one professor was nearly at a loss for words at one point trying to express the complexity of the situation in a short, easy to understand way. I understand that Assad “crossed many lines” but Trump has no business making any decisions on this (or anything else for that matter).
I agree, this is a horrific and complicated situation.
Assad is a mass murderer and dictator, but getting rid of him is not easy either. Without a long-term strategy (and it’s impossible to come up with a long-term plan with Bigly), Syria might become a second Lybia and the world cannot afford another one. America would refuse to help the victims/refugees (again) and Europe cannot take an unlimited number of refugees from Africa, the political system would get crushed by the extreme right if that happened.
YES. Love your post, Aiobhan Targaryen.
Right on! Trump had no belief system or moral compass so how can anyone buy this is a move of compassion. If he was compassionate he wouldn’t have repeatedly launched an international smear campaign against Muslims and the dangers of letting Syrians into the US. He wanted to push the big red button, he’s been waiting two whole months to do it and yesterday he got to sit in the big boy chair and play major general commando. So – can he be excused now?
There is no excuse for this passion of his. None whatsoever. He can barely read, knows no history, and doesn’t bother to wonder why Barack made his decisions. His only point seems to destroy the legacy of a “black” president.
How does it help Syrians: it sends a signal to them and the international community that they are not alone. Despite our fricken ban on refugees, we won’t tolerate these types of war crimes.
No one knows what Assad will do, that’s always going to be the case when you attack anyone. Scary.
Law is interpretive, not definitive. Based on the crap out in place after 9/11, likely, yes.
Rules of combat: you have to warn them unless engaged in an actual war (we aren’t).
I’m one the few here today who feel this was the right call today (wrong messenger, but right message). I view any crimes against humanity, as has been happening in several countries across the world, warrants outside intervention from the international community. My uncle was a holocaust survivor. His wife’s family was over here during the time and they all wondered how we could watch and not intervene. You may think I’m comparing apples to oranges, but as I said, I believe crimes against humanity are that. Call it civil war if you want, it’s cruel.
I agree Mills. I’m no fan of Trump, I did not vote for him, but have come to the conclusion this was an appropriate move.
I’s all about resources, my dear. 5 million refugees in Syria, while there are 10 million dead in Africa, that never reaches the evening news in America. When Africa’s resources are being stripped, as in the Middle East from Western powers, we will hear more about their civil wars…
My question is, when do you get upset? We knew the Donald would start a war, didn’t we?
If Trump can’t get China to rein in North Korea, I can see some type of millitary action against North Korea before year’s end. He wants to show the world he is in charge of the United States and forget the scandals currently plaguing his administration.
Yes and he wants to #MAGA by showing the world how big our d*ck–I mean, military–is and how powerful we are.
“DON’T F*CK WITH US” *waves American flag*
I want to say I’m shocked, but I’m not.
We have a foolish man child, surrounded by fellow foolish man children in well, Mar a Lago, playing war games to deflect attention away from his unending list of problems and pretend that he is a big boy, so much stronger and decisive than Obama, that’s for sure!
He’s put US personnel in danger, he’s put this country in danger and all so he can feel powerful and keep his Twitter feed getting hits.
And one of the things that REALLY makes me insane, is that we can try and close the door on refugees, because apparently they’re ALL terrorists, but we’re too f**king blind to see what they’re running from. The alt-right lunatics, and a whole lot of other people are insisting that Assad’s gassing of his own people was FAKE and that we should really be making NICE with this monster. The stupidity and callousness of that thought process makes me physically ill. You want to know how terrorists are created? THIS IS HOW THEY ARE CREATED.
These are the days when I wish a meteor would hit the Earth and just end it. Humanity, or what is left of it, is too stupid to continue.
Yesterday I was watching the video of the little boy that fled the attack ans was given oxygen ant that was my thought word by word “THIS is how terrorists of tomorrow are created”. You don’t go through something like that and come out the same person.
A little boy who watched his father die when his apartment building was bombed by Americans in Libya back in 1986 (7pm our time, but everybody was in bed their time) told an American that when he grew up, he was going to kill Ronald Reagan because Reagan killed his father.
So yes, this is how terrorists are made. The miracle is that the overwhelming number of people don’t react this way. Very few become terrorists.
Obama wanted to do something years ago but wanted Congressional approval. Congress said NO! Yet last night, the very same congressional leaders who screamed NO! at Obama were cheering Trump. Racist much, Paul Ryan?
Paul Ryan… thre is no word strong enough to describe him in English, or in French for that matter. I cannot even.
This was always the criticism of Obama: he punted to Congress instead of doing what Trump is doing and making an essentially unilateral decision.
I know it’s not a popular opinion, and I know Obama himself has expressed regret many times over how he handles Syria, but I think Congress was right when they said not to intervene.
I feel awful for what the Syrian people are going through though and I wish Trump would reconsider his policy towards Syrian refugees.
This is what absolutely infuriates me! The blatant hypocrisy at every turn, and whether it is health care or Syria, real, live, beautiful people are allowed to suffer. I am not saying that war is the answer. Congress could have at least started resettling the Syrian refugees here and also sent naval support to help them get out safely. And now to know that Tr*mp was playing footsie with Putin at the same time is just too much to take.
I’m as Anti-Trump as they come. The situation in Syria has been untenable for a while. I don’t have a problem with what he did in terms of airstrike (HRC just hours before advocated the same strategy) but how he did it. He should have gotten the rubber stamp from Congress and even better why not get UN or NATO or some other world coalition to do it.
And BTW as the situation goes it’s a bit of smoke and mirrors. An airstrip that can easily be rebuilt with help from Russia. This wasn’t a huge target.
Exactly, especially when you consider that the airstrips were left largely intact. All he did was blow up a hanger, some planes, and fuel. Just enough to look like a “statement” without pissing Russia off. It’s not going to stop Assad, or do anything to help the Syrians. EBF has been dying to blow something up to prove how manly he is, raise his poll numbers, and deflect from all the Russia crap, and this was a perfect excuse.
Apparently planes are already able to take off again from that airbase. The runways weren’t damaged.
This world makes me appreciate I libe in argentina. We have a lot of shit to deal with but at least is our own and not some other country’s. While everyone goes to war we will be isolated and I am grateful for that.
Now – WTF, Trump?! You deny Assad’s victims a chance to live freely and in peace yet once he kills “beautiful babies” you launch a clear attack in Syria. And now Putin, your Master, is angry at his little b***h. Great way of effing things even more. And I apologise for this because Americans at CB are wonderful but I’m sick and tired of the US’s lukewarm approach – say nothing of substance to look nice but let others do the dirty work for you. And now you have Trump.
I hope the kid in North Korea doesn’t see this as a pissing contest.
trump and the kid in NK should be BFFs. They’re both fat, poorly educated, erratic lunatics.
Cee: I wondered why he used the words, “beautiful Babies”, would it be alright if they were ugly babies.
Eh, I wouldn’t parse his words too much, he was just trying to muster up an expression of compassion, I think, which does not come naturally to someone who doesn’t possess it.
He didn’t write it. The formal one sounded like Pence had input (“child of God” is not part of Trump’s normal vocabulary). He might have been fed it phrase by phrase through his earpiece to avoid him screwing it up by veering off into his inaugural attendance or Obama wiretapping him again .
“I am a child of God, , and he has sent me here…(and given me an earthly home, with parents,, kind and dear…” This is a childhood song, from my memory, as a victim of the cult of Mormonism – yet, don’t you hear a sweet song, about all of us together, making us/you want to be all together? I am so sorry to tell you differently, that this connection is exploited that we have, between humans…
“Child of God” is Mormon vocabulary, and as soon as Trump said the words, Orrin Hatch, the Mormon senator from Utah, said, Amen. and Amen.
We don’t need a religion, or president, or country to tell Us that We are Us!
His “change of heart” following the gassing photos makes me want to puke. Meanwhile, he wants to bar suffering Syrians among others from entering the USA and he cuts money to organizations that would aid those suffering in countries like Syria, South Sudan, Somalia, etc.
i’m certain I give more thought to choosing a pair of shoes in the morning than he did to this airstrike. I loathe him. I hope his death is an excruciatingly painful one.
I share your moral outrage. This is the most cynical thing he has done so far (and I would argue also murderous, as most likely he planned this with Putin).
Donald Trump: “Now that Obama’s poll numbers are in tail spin- watch for him to launch a strike in Lybia or Iran, He is desperate.” DT poll numbers are in the toilet, he’s desperate, he launch air strike against Syria. What a despicable human being.
Did he actually say that?? lol and JFC 🙁
Why is Trump even allowed to conduct sensitive military action at unsecured Mar-a-Lago? Bet the members all got photos of the action. He probably intended it to be viewable. Come watch the action and get your money’s worth.
One wonders if any staff members there are not spies.
The rumor was Pence was in the Situation Room.
US under Trump takes military action against sovereign nation, whether you like this nation or not is irrelevant, against own constitutional procedures and international law! What else is new? Also weren’t Trump’s fans saying he was good cause he wanted to keep out of M.E. and was not warmonger?
trump’s fans will change their positions to match whatever crap he dumps on any given day. They’re irredeemable idiots.
A Trumpster yesterday said on a friend’s page that the chemical attacks were all Obama’s fault and that Assad isn’t a bad guy LOLOLOL
I want to go back and ask him what he thinks of his boy bombing “good guy” Assad?
They all say stuff like that Kitten. Obama and Hillary will always be to blame. We all called that one!
I just cannot with them, Shark Bait. Although today I’m “fighting” with liberals on my FB page lol.
Given Putin’s history of playing the double game or even the triple game. Let’s consider that he either permitted or even suggested the US action via ‘back channels’ to bolster BOTH puppets while being able to publicly condemn and saber-rattle over the US action.
It would be completely in character.
Didn’t even think about that but sounds legit. Sigh.
it is incredibly cynical, but I am pretty sure that is how it all went down. I do not believe that the pics and videos of the dying kids had anything to do with the decision. I do not in any way shape or form believe that anybody in the WH has enough empathy.
Oh yes, I agree. The whole things was planned. The initial bombing, the faux outrage, the attack, all planned to deflect from the russia/trump investigations.
If trump had even an inkling of how serious this was, if he cared all of the ramifications, he would not be in mar-a-lago entertaining, guests or not.
It’s also possible that Putin is selling out one puppet (Assad) in favor of his Number One puppet (Trump).
I think that Putin supplied the sarin to Assad and gave him the nod. This was Trump’s cue to drop some bombs and look like a hero. Putin can now change his tune on Assad too, and he and Tr*mp can pretend they have solved a world problem. There is no way Tillerson is not in on planning this with Putin–he has been working closely with him since 1998 on Exxon deals. They are all monsters.
Yes, I think the exact same thing.
After seeing how the press has been praising Trump as a hero and have stopped talking about Nunes, Bill O’reilly, and Trumps ties to Russia, I am starting to think that perhaps this was all planned by Trump and Putin(with Putin throwing Assad under the bus, Russia took Syria’s sarin, and I thought that the initial reports were that the planes that dropped the gas were the planes that Russia had given to Syria). It’s just so bizarre how overnight Kristen Welker and Haille Jackson were pushing that Trump was a new man because those photos from Syria changed him. It was sickening watching them praise Trump. It was like they were reading from a script. The press isn’t talking about Russia and how they interfered with our election and have plans to attack us again! Trump didn’t change overnight, but it will be interesting to see how this incident changes his ratings and take the focus away from the investigations on Russia.
Jesus, these conspiracy theories…
That tends to happen when you have a POTUS who has literally spent every day in Office lying, an administration who was involved in Russian collusion and an administration who has shown that they care absolutely NOTHING for the American people.
That leads to a bit of distrust on the part of Americans, you know?
Honestly, if you read enough history books and see the lengths people will go to maintain power, the “conspiracy” theories sound a lot less insane. A lot of political maneuvering is looking for the man behind the curtain. Pointed example – most of us learned about the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and their role in ending the Pacific War. What we don’t hear about is how tensions were revving up between the USSR and America, and dropping a nuclear bomb on a small Asian country gave us the perfect opportunity to make a statement of power.
Meh, pretty much everything involving American government has some sort of conspiracy involved.
So our malignant narcissistic President shot some missiles at a Syrian air base that launched the chemical weapons. What is the goal, the end game for this launch. He needs to go to the American people and Congress to let us know the big plan. But wait, I bet he does not have a plan, because he doesn’t know what he is doing. We need to ask our international statesmen Jared Kushner and the prodigal daughter Ivanka what the plan is. IN addition, why is the Chinese delegation being hosted in Mar del Lago and not at the Whitehouse and Washington in general, where our seat of government is. Whitehouse is not good enough for President Bigly to host foreign dignitaries there.
Is it possible he is dyslexic? Or maybe eyesight problems that he refuses to acknowledge? I have dealt with older men that refuse to acknowledge when their eyesight gets bad and they need glasses. They won’t deal with it until they fail the DMV eye test. This guy never drives himself, so he has not had the DMV force him to get glasses…
I hate Trump with a passion but I think he did the right thing. Assad is even worse and there have been reports of him and his forces raping / torturing/ interrogating innocent syrian aid workers and the like for years and the UN does nothing. Russia doesn’t give a shit even though they claim responsibility for the region. Isis is horrible and Assad is a shit devil from hell. He’s responsible for 90 % of the murders of his own people, not Isis. Taking out one if his airforce fields is about time Imo.
Every time the U.S. intervenes and decides that an evil dictator needs to be removed from power, it creates a power vacuum in that country and allows extremists to come in and creates instability throughout the region. For example, Iraq and Libya. Why does the U.S. always want to decide for other countries what is best for them? Or is it more, the American industrial military complex and giant corporations need to be constantly fed American dollars to feed their insatiable hunger for wealth and power?
Sadden Hussein was no angel, but damn, he kept the lid on things in Iraq.
I agree with you to an extent, and I didn’t agree with the iraqi war invasion at all. But Syria is different, there already is a war since many years and the UN refusing to get involved only gives a free pass to these war criminals to treat the syrian population attrociously. And one air strike doesn’t mean the Us is invading, I doubt Trump actually wants that.
I’m Swedish and live in Stockholm and at the moment have a bunch of relatives caught up in the terror attack going on right now (they’re Ok) but all of Stockholm is under siege by police. It’s a very sad world we’re living in right now.
@ Hiccup–But WHY does it always have to be the US? I mean I understand that we have the largest military complex (much to the chagrin of myself and many Americans) but America can never f*cking win on stuff like this.
If we intervene, we are seen as bullies who are putting our nose where it doesn’t belong, we are (sometimes rightly) accused of going after oil or something else that serves our economic interests, we are blamed for “policing” the world and imposing western ideals on other cultures.
But if we don’t go in, the international community yells at us for doing nothing or for not doing enough.
I know it’s very complicated and I don’t pretend to know all the answers, but my personal opinion is that generally speaking, we need to stop militarily engaging in conflicts that do not involve our allies. We need to pull back on Middle East involvement and start to focus on our own problems. Maybe this sounds incredibly selfish but I’m just so effin tired of the needless wars and airstrikes used to justify a bloated and outrageous military budget.
@ IlsaLund- ITA
@ Kitten I could see how you’re tired of that for sure. I’m pretty tired of the fuckery of war and terrorism and propaganda myself. Hard to find solutions sometimes though :/ ignoring it doesn’t exactly help. But you’re right, America shouldn’t be solely responsible.
Kitten, I feel with your despair. The US military complex should not be adding to that despair anywhere in the world, for any reason whatsoever- who the hell do we think we are, to decide tribal matters…when there are children involved..or their mamas – or someone else’s land ownership? However it is disguised, war is always about resources.
Can you imagine the US spending money on peace? May we imagine Americans voting for peace in the world? – Like their special songs at x-mas, “Peace on earth, and goodwill to men…”
im a levant arab and I want to say the best thing to do would be to get out of our countires. Dont pretend to care and just leave, we dont want you, your media is lying to you and we want Assad to. even if hes the monster the western media is purporting, what does it say about your reputation that wed pick him over us involvment. Thank god the opposition is gone in syria since they were funded by us/saudi arabia/qatar and were isis members. this managed chaos is ruining our lives.
So he’ll bomb Syria to protect Syrian people, but he won’t let them into his country?
What stands out the most is how the press(mainly Kristen Welker and Haille Jackson) have been praising Trump as a hero and changed man since that speech he gave in the Rose garden. What is happening? I notice that the press was so busy talking about Trump being “presidential” in how he handled Syria that they didn’t bother to cover that Nunes recused himself, Trumps support of O’Reilly, Fox losing sponsors, Ivanka’s complicity, Jared’s inexperience, Flynn, or Trump’s ties to Russia. It’s like this whole thing with Syria was a means to change the public’s perception of Trump and distract from Trumps ties to Russia. Just like Trump’s speech to Congress where he read from a teleprompter and the press praised him as presidential, the media fell for it. How bizarre that Trump is able to con the press. It won’t be too long before he is back on twitter throwing out yet another lie about Obama.
I will note that something has definitely changed in the Trump administration. It’s like someone finally took control. Bannon is gone, Nunes is off the HIC investigation, and someone(I don’t believe that it was Trump, Kushner, or Ivanka) gave the orders to attack Syria in a small way that it doesn’t create too much of a consequence but takes the press’s focus off of Trump’s bad behavior these past months. Did all of these changes come about due to HR McMaster? They said that after removing Bannon, that he reinstated the 2 people who were removed and added another specialist. Now if only HR McMaster can make Trump stop the lies about Obama wiretapping.
It’s just sickening how over night the press is patting Trump on the back as if all of the crazy things he has done these days haven’t happened. I suspected that something was up when Kristen Welker and Haille Jackson were pushing that Trump was a new and changed man after he saw the photos from the gas attack storyline. Something just doesn’t seem right.
Mattis might have given the order but no doubt there was an internal discussion (with or without Mattis present) of how this would affect the public perception of the Trump administration. Bannon is NOT out. He is still there, still influencing DJT and still able to attend NSC meetings if he wants to.
I think all of this is about shaking up the image and getting that abysmal poll rating above 35%.
And what you’re describing was my fear all along: that people would get back on board with Trump after all these merely superficial changes to the administration.
You’re right, it is sickening. I think it’s just shifting deck chairs on the Titanic. Remember that Bannon was a movie producer and Tr*mp has been in reality TV for years. They’ve written a script and are sticking to it. I’m also offended at the “he’s acting presidential” statements from people. Are you kidding? So all he has to do is stumble through a couple prepared statements and have some (non-Congressionally-approved) bombs dropped over dinner? The bar is that low for him?? This is reprehensible.
He was also praised as being “presidential” following the remarks he read off a teleprompter in front of Congress. How long did that last? Maybe a day? Only until he logged on to twitter again. The man is NOT presidential and never will be.
MSM is covering him right now like he’s a hero for this though, Susanne. So effin annoying.
Trump is truly mentally unstable. He’s just realised the true extent of what being President means. Human lives have been lost because of orders by him.
Everything else I’ve read about these desisions is they are thought about long and hard – and it effects people strongly.
This is an awesome power – in the truest sense. How do you all think it will effect him personally? And as a President – is it easier to do it again when you’ve made that choice before?
Sorry, I have to explain a little clearer about my comment regarding how this could change Trump.
I’ve read of leaders these desisions effected profoundly. I didn’t mean obvious dictator/homicidal murderer type leaders. Sorry.
I don’t think self-reflection is part of his arsenal. Will it make him more compassionate, more deliberative? No. The man is 70 years old. He has spent his entire life lying, cheating, taking and grabbing. Everything is about him. He’s not going to change.
I understand that. I more meant if anyone thought this could tip him over into true meglamania, ie.”bomb them bomb them all” crazy pants territory.
His attitude was in that territory for decades, but now he has the power to express that mentality.
i’m glad the U.S and the EU are so worried about Syrian people’s safety… Actually letting them in instead of banning him, would be a great
Putin knew before Congress. This shit sandwich will get worse before it gets better.
Time to impeach is upon us!
A unilateral decision made only after receiving the blessing and mandate from his true master.
And Ryan is fine with it. Others aren’t
Thank you, Eric, for pointing this out. Putin knew before congress. Where is the outrage?! How is this okay?! This action from a man that is already under investigation for colluding with Russia, bypasses congress but warns his co-conspirator. This was all planned, with Assad in the loop from the start. I must take my leave now, I need to start digging my bunker. This is all kinds of wrong. Those poor victims were gassed as a sacrifice to boost Trump’s ratings and further Putin’s agenda. I think I’m gonna be sick.
Dude, link that so I can read more!
shame on trump.
So true that Trump never cared the slightest wit about the Syrian people before. On the other hand, there has to be some form of “measured” response to this latest evil beset upon innocents. There are no easy answers and I’m suspicious about why Assade would go this far at the point when he seemed to be winning. Was it to test Trump or is an as yet to be discovered nation or ideology playing a secret hand. There is so much going on in Syria that the general public doesn’t grasp and the media can be manipulated.
I hate to sound like a grade A conspiracy theorist but it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if it’s all a ploy to mask the truth about the Russian connections all under the guise of intervening and showing force against an evil tyrant. Trump and his minions basically greenlighted letting Syria do what it wants with their weak live & let live talk about Syria prior to the chemical attack.
Yep its all about the love between Drumph and Putin – and how far Putin can go now? He did make Drumph the president for his own purpose – not because Drumph is so lovable, (sending the love back to Russia), but for all the dumb ass admiration Drumph gives to oligarchs. Why Drumph admires Putin, and tries to destroy the legacy of Obama, who was (owiee) black. They are SOOO white together, are they not?
Putin sees only Russian land grabs in the Crimea, and now the Middle East. Drumph is a dork – Putin has this one!!! Who else can play the game of chess? Putin is doing very well. He needs a new star on his forehead for the complexity, and simplicity of Russia, screwing over Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama. They considered each other as enemy – Drumph may need to lick some more ass.
He’s did pretty much what HRC said should be done, surprised there isn’t more acknowledgment of that.
I’m not saying I support it though. I too don’t trust his motives. Care so much about Syrians?…….uhm, refugees?
But I do think if HRC had won we would still be discussing air strikes against Syria, so there’s that. And maybe it is the right thing to do even if his motives aren’t right. Maybe.
Yes, the indignation around here is silly when we all know if President Hillary Clinton had done the same thing (and she would have), she’d be unanimously praised.
Clinton would have gone through Congress first.
True. If Hillary Clinton had done this same current deed, I would have felt differently because I trust her knowledge whereas Donald Trump has proven to be ignorant and a daily liar who most likely was aided by Russia to win the election. His agenda to distract is mighty. I’m assuming that in this case he was guided by wiser heads but how can anyone know for sure.
Syria is like a cyst that needs to burst out of its misery somehow once and for all … it’s been so painful and bloody for so many years.
Not saying I would have 100% agreed with HRC doing it, but at least she has some experience (Sec of State) and would have gone through Congress like Obama did. This nut just went rogue to prove he has power.
Well Natalie, there’s a word for it.. confirmation bias I believe. If a liberal and republican say the same thing the republican
will be evil and the liberal will be a savior. I mean, I see people on here talking about how great MSNBC is and how evil and biased Fox is when MSNBC is just as biased. It’s rather dumbfounding really.
@ Llamas-To be fair to Trump, I do believe he was under a ton of pressure to do SOMETHING. As I said, if it was any other president I would give him the benefit of the doubt, but with the perpetual liar that Trump is combined with his Russian ties and utter lack of experience, it’s hard to get behind him you know? There’s just no TRUST there.
And in my defense, I’ve remained pretty consistent on this issue despite the fact that the majority of my liberal friends disagree with. I never thought we should intervene in Syria when Obama was president and I still feel the same way. I know that many on the board agree that Trump’s airstrikes in Syria are about something other than the welfare of Syrians but for what it’s worth, I have MANY liberal friends (including my hyper-lberal BF) who support last night’s air strike.
Just to say that we are not always a monolith 😉
I wouldn’t have praised her.
However, Clinton’s at least a reliable ally. Trump and his government are as unreliable as it gets and I don’t really think there’s any way to come up with an international strategy as long as that is the case.
I believe Clinton ‘s first call would have been to Congress, not Putin. I believe she would have seen to it that chemical weapons and runways were destroyed.
Yes you are right about Clinton (and I disagree with her as well) and you raise an interesting point with this comment “And maybe it is the right thing to do even if his motives aren’t right.”
Maybe, but only if it is part of a larger and carefully-constructed strategy. This is why he should have gone through Congress, which I believe was implied in Clinton’s comment. I don’t believe she was advocating for Trump to make this decision unilaterally.
I suppose it’s too early to tell what if any positive affect this will have for the Syrian people but the cynic in me isn’t convinced that this will do anything at all. Certainly not more of an impact than letting Syrian refugees into our country.
Thanks for all the comments and the civil discourse. After reading most of the news this am and thinking it through some more, I have come to the conclusion I (regrettably ) support this action. It’s overdue and that includes Obamas hesitancy to take definitive action (as HRC subtly shaded him for). I agree with Kitten that a broader strategy is needed and must be vetted through appropriate channels, but in this instance ….events got ahead of that for this administration.
Now let’s go get that vetted strategy.
I think Clinton likely would have supported intervention at some point as well, but I had a lot more faith in her ability as an administrator to facilitate the proper follow up. She at least backed up her contempt for Assad’s actions by supporting the refugee movement and didn’t drum up anti-Muslim sentiment in the meanwhile.
Malcolm Nance stated that Russia is currently infiltrating the WH/govt.
WTF?
dear god.
Don’t we already know that?
I certainly know it. I’d LOL but this entire situation is incredibly unfunny. It’s red alert concerning.
He also tweeted:
“MISSION FAILURE: US struck base deliberately avoided destroying chem weaps/killing crews. Warned Ru/Sy. Message? Kabuki lives.#SyriaStrikes”
WOW!
I SAW that tweet. WOW is right!
The power vacuum need to be considered…
Let’s get honest. Trump is beyond democrat and republican. His hateful rhetoric and bullying behavior should have disqualified him from both parties. All media helped him win. Now at least some people see him for what he is but the ones who looked the other way and rewarded his behavior with a win are still looking the other way, including Fox.
Exactly. So tired of people turning this into a partisan thing when we literally have a crazy person running our country.
Just a note to add my comment above was a response to Llamas’ comment about the media in an upper thread.
With this snake Trump in office and breaking with tradition, I hope the US government learns from this mess and makes some legal changes eventually. Revealing taxes for a presidential pick should be a law, no picking judges with less than 60% of votes should be a law, congresses involvement when going to war should be a law.
ok. Can we talk about North Korea?
Because they are ready to strike at the US, apparently, if the US doesn’t back off.
They said they won’t hesitate to retaliate.
Simple – Drumph will continue to involve the US in war – because…just because – he is Sooo powerful! There is no bottom to his self-admiration and gratification. If we could give him a bucketful of women, he would still go on, wanting more….
This is like watching the last season of House of Cards. You know, when Frank started a war to distract from the damaging stories coming out on him.
Sheep.
I’ve heard one theory floated that the airstrike had been coordinated in advance between Trump and Putin as a means of distraction from the ongoing investigation. Honestly, at this point, nothing would surprise me.
I don’t think they want to distract from the investigation, it’s because Putin wants control of Syria.
Putin is so smart – he took all the chemical weapons from Syria (If those reports to Americans are to be believed). Now he manipulates Drumph like he is the rock star…and Drumph is like a little girl at a rock concert, screaming for more…
Putin is a rock star when it comes to the ability to his ability to shape and shift land grabbing. NATO is nearly on its knees…with Drumph sucking the d*ck of Russia, who who so admires the gold trim…! Druph has decorated his apartments like Russian oligarch’s for years.
However, we shade our eyes and our ears. It is GOLD, after all….
This is a very hard decision for any president. Should the US just stand by and let other governments kill their own people? I just don’t know. The US is damned if they do and damned if they don’t. This is just not about Trump at this point it is much bigger. If Obama was in office he probably would have done the same thing, Hillary has said it is what she would do. Most senators and the house support this move. So the US has to decide what they want. Do they want America to ignore all the horrible things this government has done? This war needs to stop. The people in these countries want to live in the place they were born in. Many of them do not want to come to a different country they only come because they have no other option. They come and then miss other family and friends and their homeland. The best option is to have them live in safety in their homeland. The US cannot take all the Syrians as refugees. So what then we take some and leave others being tortured and killed? Is that the right way to handle this? Any good answers out there? As well I find it quite fascinating that even though the news tells us that Russia helped Trump get elected – well it didn’t turn out they way they liked I guess. Maybe they thought that Trump would give in to Putin – bad move on their part obviously not turning out that way!!
Obama went to congress with a similar air strike plan in 2013. Congress did not want to act. 4 years later and these same congress people are a-ok with the air strikes. What changed and better question how many innocent Syrian people died in the 4 years that nothing was done?
Tate, what changed was we went from a black democrat to an orange republican whose party desperately needs some wins.
I found it interesting that the attack occurred last night just as all the news shows were beginning to analyze McConnell’s Senate shenanigans
“The US cannot take all the Syrians as refugees.”
Well, the US could at least take SOME MORE Syrian refugees.
Out of the 11 million people (!) who were displaced within and beyond Syrian borders, only 18,000 have resettled in the US since the Syrian war began in 2011:
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/syrian-refugees-united-states
I have not read all the comments, can’t as it is making me upset at some of them. Why is it the US’s job to take action? We cannot police the entire world, hell, we can’t even police the USA. Why did Trump wait 2 days to even say anything? He should have condemned the action the day it happened. Why in the hell is he at Mar-a-largo at this time? He should be at the White House making these decisions where he will have direct contact with his advisers. I am sick to my stomach thinking that when my 18 year old grandson could be drafted when he graduates high school this May if war breaks out. And now my cat it Trumping in the house! Ugh. Rant over. Sorry for it.
Agree COMPLETELY, Swak. This is what I’ve been saying: Trump is by and large getting international approval on this. Great. Why don’t OTHER nations with their own damn military intervene then? WHY does it always have to be the US? How did this work with Libya? Kosovo? Iraq?
“And now my cat it Trumping in the house!”
LOL thank you for making me chuckle after a serious thread 😉
Try not to worry too much about a draft being enacted. I know how scary the thought is but if you can, try not to get too ahead of yourself or you’ll just continue to stress.
Thanks Kitten!
Don’t let this distract from the REAL story that he has ties to Russia!!!!
New York Times at least isn’t taking the bait. They’re reporting the story with a very jaundiced eye.
And wouldn’t you know it, Hillary Clinton had the same idea as Trump. So I guess this was a development coming no matter who won the election.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN179058
So what happens if the investigation shows the Russians were actually telling the truth, that Assad did not order a chemical attack but a conventional strike accidentally dispersed chemical weapons from a rebel stash? Both Assad and at least one rebel group have past history in such things, so it is not inconceivable.
If they can prove the chemicals were delivered from an aircraft, Assad did it. Why he would do it just after the US promised not to try to take him out but to just focus on fighting ISIS baffles me. He must know from experience that a chemical attack would aggravate the US in a way that conventional attacks don’t, so why not keep killing people with non-chemical weapons that don’t get the same reaction? If the chemical weapons were definitely delivered from the air, then I’ll believe it regardless. But if it can be shown otherwise, we have to consider the possibility that Assad did not use the chemical weapons and did not violate the ban. Trump has clearly said the airbase was attacked specifically because of the chemical attack and nothing else, so what then? Several people dead for what reason exactly? Or will he just switch to a different rationale?
I hope he didn’t destroy needed evidence with his missiles, which seem remarkably off target (only 23 out of 59 actually hit the base and the runways apparently weren’t damaged, only planes there for repair). I don’t know how close civilians were to the target, but with that kind of non-accuracy, we always risk killing more civilians by retaliation than by the original act. Another reason to be careful.
It’s important to be sure about the source of the chemicals because the key matter is to uphold the chemical weapons ban and we have to know who violated it. A missile attack on airbases could have been used as a card in reserve to prevent new chemical attacks during the investigation, and such prevention is also a motive for any retaliation. It’s not as though it was a big surprise – certainly Assad knew there were missiles ready to go and by agreement the Russians (and hence the Syrians) were notified in advance so they could clear out of there. But we have to know who we should be retaliating against, and that’s why you don’t rush into things like this without investigation and wider consultation at home and with allies. You at least wait until the President gets approval from Congress and is back in DC with access to more information in a case like this, when there is time to do so.
Regardless of the investigation result, I worry about Trump being able to restrain himself from further action especially if his poll numbers go up and he keeps getting unconditional praise for it. He wants to be loved and if smashing things in Syria gets him positive attention, he is likely to do more of it. It’s actually heartening that people on the far right are angry with him because he had promised not to get us embroiled in another war in that area. And the civil war in Syria is an incredibly complicated quagmire to get stuck in. Maybe as with the healthcare issue, the far right will act as an unlikely but real brake on Trump’s actions.
We also need to remind Trump how many children have been killed by conventional weapons, including our own, and that the people killed are the same people he turned back into chaos with his Executive Order and wants to keep out of this country as refugees. Launching missiles may be more fun for him, but our real obligation is humanitarian support of refugees and people stuck in the path of military attacks.
I don’t know if he sincerely reacted to the images of the children killed by gas, but just in case he isn’t just play-acting — we need to keep sending him images of children killed by war and keep reminding him that they can die from our weapons also. These are the ones euphemistically called “collateral damage” instead of the true term “victims”.
Thanks for your insightful comment – this is also baffling me: why would Assad do this now? To self-sabotage? He is on winning street, and has been following quite a clever strategy over the past few months. So what’s the point of doing this now? Also, the airfield was operating again a few hours after the attack. This is all kinds of bizarre.
Agreed. Suspicious. Nothing soul-sucking so-called president Trump does can be trusted because of his lies.
Those weapons of gas – are only meant to “test” the Donald – and how far Russia has gone, and will continue. Putin is a great strategist. Neither of them cares for the “little children”. How dare they even make a joke about this, or the parents that little children cry for, when they are injured.
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. – Einstein
Einstein is wrong here – war will be fought by WOMEN seeking peace and stability and gardens…
Meanwhile, Gorsuch has been confirmed for the Supreme Court.
Job growth, 94,000 the lowest in one year. I’m still saying this is a distraction from the shi$$y job he’s doing and trying to raise his poll numbers. Time will tell how someone can make such a big decision, of life and death in just two days especially when the person was so dead set of going to Syria when BO was president. I hope he did not bit off more than he can chew.
Great.
*opens a bottle of wine drinks down sorrows*
While you are drinking that wine, for fortification, I hope you remember the mountains and seas; everything that is beloved to you – and may your heart remember what is worth living for – (not dying for), but living for!
Whether good or bad comes of this, it will be based on luck. Trump has not bothered to think anything through and will either luckily or unluckily take advise from someone who turns out to be smart or stupid.
Look. If you think about this rationally, why would any sane, rich politician even think about going to war. Everything they hold dear would be gone. They don’t want to end up in a bunker with a chemical toilet where their gems and trinkets are worthless. There will be nowhere safe or luxurious to sit out the rest of their days. Even Dump isn’t that stupid. I think another poster hit the nail on the head. It’s a choreographed diplomatic dance. The fact that men, women and children are dead is meaningless to these people. It’s sickening.
I think you mean nuclear war? Sure nuclear war isn’t beneficial but war can mean profit for everyone half of his cabinet is generals . He has ties to Blackwater (they changed their name) Exxon Mobil for that oil. On and on. And the distraction an easy war can provide from scandals at home are epic, we will see how much we will hear about homegrown scandals,
I meant nuclear war. Apologies if I wasn’t clear enough….bunkers, material objects gone, nowhere safe etc.
Well to answer your question then first you must remember Trump isn’t necessarily sane. His behavior as many have pointed out is textbook narcissist. According to Joe Scarborough when he was briefed during clearances he specifically asked why you couldn’t use nuclear weapons. And let’s not forget we would ‘win’ a nuclear war. Meaning the US has more weapons and would destroy most other strategic enemy. That doesn’t mean half the population wouldn’t be destroyed but it might be fine for a few elites like Trump. I might sound bleak but that’s really the dire situation we are in with someone of Trumps mental capacity, impulsivity, temperament etc in charge.
Actually if I remember Russia has more nuclear weapons than US, more working rockets to deliver it, that’s why Trump wanted a new deal on reduction of nukes with Russia cause Obama made a bad deal with them or something like that. Anyway I doubt Russians would reduce their nukes after recent development.
“..but that’s really the dire situation we are in with someone of Trumps mental capacity, impulsivity, temperament etc. in charge.” This. A friend and I were talking about this the other day and what a mess it is that Trump even has all the power he does right now. Whether or not his decision will have any (positive) effect on what Assad does or doesn’t do in the future, and how some of the same people Trump and his supporters don’t want to allow into this country are effected by it, is something we’ll have to wait to see.
You all are delusional. Makes little sense.
Ahhh, a peaceful place, where we are merely delusional, and perhaps belong in a peaceful garden for our mental tribulations, that is perhaps in a kind and generous mental institution. Thank you Reason, to deliver Us from all hope and fear – like the Donald would say Tremendous!!! Peace Unto Us.
* sitting here sipping tea and calculating how much $$$$ was just wasted…59 x $1.5mil..and only 23 of 59 hitting anything…meals on wheels..planned parenthood..obamacare…sure…no money..ok, carry on with your bigly weapons missing things…*
trump owns stock in the missile company, so not wasted, went in his pocket.
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/tomahawk-missiles-were-wrong-choice-for-syria-attack-but-donald-trump-owns-stock-in-the-company/2224/
The Donald dyed his hair. No longer WHITE like just a few days ago.
That’s all I’ve got.
They call women, polluted…
The song from childhood, goes, “I am a child of God, and he has sent me here and given me an earthly home, with parents kind and dear….lead me, guide me, walk beside me, and show me all the way, teach me all that Jesus knows, that I might live in heaven one day….”
beautiful speech, song, and dearest heart…free speech… Still We Persist, and call upon science to deliver Us from fear! We are simple in our requests…the songs themselves calling Us from near and far… or far and near? WE have a Coven far better than men’s dreams of themselves.
The only thing that I can agree with Trump on- while it hit only 23 targets and cost a whole lot of money to pull off- USA needed to send a military response to Assad so that Assad-pig thinks twice before he does this sarin gas attack again. I’m sure Assad doesn’t want USA, especially a mercurial and quick to anger toddler-President, breathing down his neck now.
El Trumpo has apparently instantly lost a whole lot of his supporters by this move. It is the “alt-righters” and they are irate that “he lied to them”. Ha. Ha.
And this is how the Donald will lose his base. He blatantly lied to acquire his base. It was only the fools who somehow believed his lies who voted for him. Just wait until his healthcare plan finally comes through – it will NOT “give great coverage to everybody” as he promised. And that will result in another wave of Trump defectors. It is just a matter of time.
Hey, what ever happened to Kellyanne Conroy?
It was nice to see that some press and reporters (Dan Rathers, Rachel Maddow, Joy A Reid and some of her guests, Malcolm Nance, and some members of the HIC) didn’t fall for Trump’s publicity stunt to raise his approval ratings and distract from the the Trump-Russia, Nunes, nuclear option, Bill O Reilly, and Jared’s inexperience headlines. These people even pointed how disappointed, sickening, dangerous, and irresponsible these reporters and press were being for saying that Trump was presidential because he bombed Syria(I don’t think that Trump made the decision at all, it’s most likely that he called Putin and asked what action he could take against Syria that would leave the least consequences but be enough to change the focus of the press away from headlines that Putin and Trump don’t like). They pointed out that war and dropping bombs doesn’t make a president presidential, some even talked about how the press keeps setting the bar low for Trump so that any small thing he does is considered “presidential”. They also pointed out no other president in history had to be considered presidential because they were already presidential when they took office. They continued to focus on Trump’s bad behavior and asked why would Trump suddenly have a change of heart when there were horrible photos of children being hurt and killed during that time he was speaking about banning refugees (the child that drowned as he and his family were trying to escape and the child who suffered during the bombing) .
In this instance the press has failed us. This is why Trump thinks it’s ok to spread lies about being wiretapped by Obama and that Susan Rice committed a crime. Where is the accountability? It’s clear that this whole Syria incident was planned by Trump and Putin.
http://news.groopspeak.com/trumps-latest-fec-disclosure-shows-trump-has-stock-in-company-that-made-bombs-used-in-syria/