This is Part 2 of the Brangelina coverage. Part 1 was Brad Pitt’s legal filing claiming that he’d already paid Angelina $9 million in child support, even though by his own accounting, $8 million of that was a loan. Brad’s legal team filed their paperwork on Wednesday, after which TMZ threw a party and reveled in the fact that Brad Pitt – an abusive drunk who terrorized his family – was coming to get that difficult, evil bitch Angelina Jolie. So Angelina responded through her lawyer, and woooo, this is something.
Angelina Jolie is hitting back at ex Brad Pitt after he claimed she made recent court filings over child support in an “effort to manipulate the media.” The actress’ lawyer, Samantha Bley DeJean, said in a statement to PEOPLE Jolie’s court filing “was both legally appropriate and factually accurate in all respects.”
“What has been filed by Brad’s side today is a blatant attempt to obfuscate the truth and distract from the fact that he has not fully met his legal obligations to support the children,” Bley DeJean said in the statement.
Jolie indicated in a court filing Tuesday that Pitt has not been paying “meaningful” child support during their separation. The actor responded with his own court filing stating he had paid over $1.3 million to provide for the actress and their six children, as well as a loan of $8 million to help her purchase her current home.
“Following the incident of September 2016, Angelina and the children needed to move from the family home, which Brad chose to keep, including all of its contents,” she said. Bley DeJean, who filed Jolie’s court papers on Tuesday in the Los Angeles Superior Court, claimed the actor was “asked to assist in the expense of a new home for Angelina” and their six children but “instead he loaned Angelina money, for which he is charging her interest on a payment plan.”
The Maleficent 2’s attorney said the actress will “honor that loan,” but said, “A loan is not, however, child support and to represent it as such is misleading and inaccurate.”
According to her attorney, Jolie “is asking Brad to pay 50% of the children’s expenses,” but that the actor “has not” paid his share.
“Angelina has had to shoulder the majority of those without his contribution for the past two years,” Bley DeJean said. “Child support is not optional in California. Typically a father of means would pay these expenses voluntarily without the need for a request or court order. We are hopeful that this can be resolved without further delay or posturing.”
This is what I said in Part 1: A LOAN IS NOT CHILD SUPPORT. It’s especially not child support when he’s charging her interest!! The impression I’m getting is that when Angelina took the kids and fled the airport immediately following the Plane Incident, she wasn’t even thinking about the financial situation or getting her stuff and the kids’ stuff from the homes she and Brad shared. By the time she got everything together, Brad had decided to “punish” her for leaving him by… loaning her money and charging her interest and then calling that child support. Child support is also not paying for the therapists the kids needed after the plane incident, by the way.
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Angelina just dropped the mike and showed Brad who is the boss.
In 1 simple statement, Angelina has showed the world:
1. Brad threw out 6 traumatised children out of their home and also kept the inventory. He didn’t let the children take their bedsheets or toys.
2. Angelina asked for help with a new house for her & the children but Brad refused and instead turned that into a loan with interest.
3. Brad lied about the $9million as 8 of them are loan with interest.
4. Brad was the one who traumatised the children and he never fulfilled his responsibilities towards his children.
5. Angelina doesn’t want any spousal support and only wants Brad to actually pay 50% of the children’s expenses.
Brad – never mess with a lioness who loves and will do anything to protect her cubs. You pushed Angelina to the wall and she just threw the knockout punch. Even if you get 50% of the custody, the truth is that you have already lost the children with your appalling behaviour towards them and their mother. I hope your image was worth losing those children.
And now – us part of Team Angelina are going to wait and see how Team Brad are going try and spin their way out of this.
I am reeling at the fact that he kept the home and all the contents. I can’t even. No wonder the kids aren’t speaking to him, and need a therapist. They will need therapy for a very long time
To me it feels like a manipulation of the children. Fine, go with your mom, but all your stuff stays here. If you want to see your teddy bear again, you HAVE to come visit me. [insert evil villain laugh]
That really is a new low, even by Hollywood standards. For the family to be in upheaval and then He keeps all the things that are familiar to the kids at a time that they need familiarity. Wow, no words, it just feels like he is hurting the kids to get at Jolie.
I don’t even think he is trying to manipulate the kid. He does not do long-term planning, he is just trying to think of the best wya to hurt Jolie and goes for it without realizing or caring that he is hurting his own children in the process.
Did Brad Pitt not keep the home for the children to visit and find their space intact?
I don’t think he just kept the home to keep it out of reach from the kids.
Keeping everything is beyond low. What an incredibly ignorant thing to do to your children.
@Mirage that’s irrelevant, he should have let Angie and the kids have the house and moved out after The Incident. Making her and the kids leave while keeping their things is cruel, regardless of intention. At best, it’s leverage so the kids HAVE to come back and face their father whom they may be afraid of. At worst, it’s abuse through manipulation by making Angie owe him.
Usually the court orders the spouses to set a date and time for one party to come and get their things. It’s not like he is sitting there in the house and refusing to give angie her dresses and shoes and jewelry and the kids their clothes. it might have happened initially but at this point I am very sure they have all their belongings.
I’m definitely team Angie, but he owned this house for Gwyneth, Jennifer and even before. It’s his house. She wanted her own house but he should have bought it if he meant what he said about being the cause of the split
He kept the home and all the contents to try and bully them all back into his marinated narc bullshit. When that didn’t work it conveniently became punishment. What an a-hole. Brad’s only entertainment value was for eye candy, because he can’t act his way out of a paper bag. Now, every time I look at him all I see is pathetic a-hole. Can’t even watch Legends anymore.
Well said!
That was a nice warning that she will fight like a true lioness if he dares to continue his media attacks. Also, I do hope someone leaks the air plane incident. That will be the end of the golden boy image.
I’ve had similar issues (not even close to this amount financially) with my ex especially when he began to make much more money after the divorce and barely saw our special needs son. The term lioness is perfect; a mother and/or primary caretaker will do what must be done. Ideally.
As an aside, I’m reeling over these figures. I get that the children are used to a certain lifestyle and, had I been able, I would reasonably provide what is within my income to do so as well. Naturally.
Still, I’m in the process of moving and just desperate to find a proper, affordable place that would be the equivalent of what they probably pay for a visit to a toy store on one of the kid’s birthdays, so my mind is like: This is some serious cash. Even what WASN’T a loan would have made me shyte my pants from happiness quite literally. Its interesting what people get used to.
Then again, I see homeless families all the time and my heart contorts, so I’m still grateful we even have a roof over our heads.
Sad situation emotionally, though, regarding this family.
And to do this all publicly…woooo is right.
@Maya Thank your Great post!
Thanks Bap, I check out JJ once in a while and well done for standing up to those bullies over there who are Team Brad.
Thank you Maya for your support of Angelina!
Yes Maya. Have to agree with Bap. And, again, Bap thank you for being a true defender of Angie. Keep up the good fight at JJ. Used to post there, but I got blocked. LOL! And all my comments went into “moderation.” Double LOL!
I was already appalled by Pitt’s behaviour. Now i want to vomit !
He is a despicable individual and I wouldn’t trust him staying alone with the children…So many men are deliberately involved in tragedies where they deeply hurt kids as a way to hurt their mother.
This reminds me a friend of mine whose husband was so abusive towards her and their baby that the last time, he was involved in a car accident, being on drug, having the baby on the car barely held on her chair.
That night, after a last fight where he hit her and broke her nose, she put a sleeping pill on his beer, waited into the middle of the night, took her child and fled to a foyer for abused victims.
Last thing i knew, after weeks of not being able to reach her, she finally got back at me, with a new home, a phone and adress that was put on special database with secrest identities to protect her and her kid.
Many abusive men sound like the perfect gentleman but act like complete a$$holes in private.
OMG I’m glad your friend got away and is ok
Why does Angelina Jolie even need a loan in the first place ? Just curious.
Maybe her money is tied to real estate investments. I’m making assumption here cause God knows I do not have this kind of money in my account or any kind of investments.
Anyway, it’s the list Pitt could do, it’s not as if his children aren’t living in this house.
She might not have been able to quickly get ready money, enough to buy a house.
Well, I hope BP enjoys the rest of his empty life. He has really shown his true colors here.
She had 2 rental homes at the time in that area, so haste wasn’t necessary.
That’s my question. Why a loan. Supposedly she’s worth over $150 million dollars. Get a loan from the bank if needed!
And I’m Team Jolie all the way…just seems weird.
@bridget, shame on you for saying haste wasn’t necessary when she felt like she needed to get her children out of a bad situation. Take stock of important factors in life and do yourself a favour and support a woman.
Shame on me for suggesting that since she had 2 rental properties that she was living in at that time (in that Malibu area) that she would have had time to free up liquidity? Sure.
I would guess that the $8 million loan was the informal arrangement they had up to now.
Brad owes Angelina for child support and that’s that! A formal arrangement should have been developed from the start and it should be North of 250k/month. And by now that would equal $5m.
For the loan (yes he is abhorrent for charging interest) that was a joint deal. If I were Ange I would not have gone to the ex for that. Might as well pay interest to a bank than an ex-i am concerned it means she has much less money than folks believe, so next paragraph.
PerRsonally I think ink Angie runs through money like water. The child support from should clearly cover, home, food, clothing, tuition, medical, security and maybe one less nanny.
Angel needs to find a real rich guy next time- oligarch rich. I’ve always felt that.
Getting them into something owned vs. short-term rentals was important.
If her wealth is tied up in real estate, and because speed was of the essence here? Reasonable to think he should shoulder some of those costs to get their kids into the house until she can free up other investments and buy back that portion.
She bought the deMille estate for a rumored $25 million. Their six kids are living there. Why shouldn’t he pay 1/3 of the cost of the roof under which his kids live?
Given the history and beauty of that estate? I expect this one will be her LA home for the next 10 years easy.
Crazy rich folks rarely let their money just rest in a pile somewhere. They have people who invest it for them.
Where does it say that he kept their toys and bedsheets?!
It doesn’t
It’s in the lawyer’s statement.
Great post @Maya! This also explains why she’s hired new attorneys. From what I understand, Wasser is all about mediation and everyone getting along. Jolie was tired of that BS and I don’t blame her.
What a nasty, vindictive, punitive, immature dirtbag.
I hope his career begins circling the toilet bowl. He can liquidate his assets to help pay for his children’s upbringing.
I thought his acting was pretty crappy in “Inglorious Basterds” and haven’t watched any film he was in since.
Pitt, you are despicable.
I thought she left him taking the kids with her?
The loan would make sense for tax purposes until a formal child support arrangement has been agreed, which hasn’t happened.
Exactly!!! After I left my ex abruptly because he was smoking around our 10 day old baby. He gave me 14k to start my life while he stayed in the family home as I was a stay at home mom. When I took him to court for child support he ended up claiming that he already gave me child support. That is what Brad is doing. Pathetic and disgusting if true!!!
That’s awful. I can’t imagine why anyone would kick a 10 day old and new mom out. Hope all is going well now.
That’s not what she said – she said she LEFT HIM. It is not te same as being kicked out.
It’s not, but he’s not exactly an innocent party if he made her choose between being with him, or the health of her NEWBORN child.
10 DAY OLD BABY??!! God, what an a**. I hope you and your child are living your best life and thriving, Belle.
Did you get child support from him? I hope you did. Or did the judge side with him that the $14K was child support? just curious.
Luckily for me he sent the money to my personal account which meant the money was for me. It was backed up with written emails where he clearly said the $$ for me to start my life over.
He got upset when I wanted to put things into a legal and formal structure. So it was his way of “punishing and stressing” me out for leaving him. I believe he gave me a lump sum to prove to me what a great man he was and it was a tactic to win me back so when I didnt buy it and I moved on instead he flipped out and changed the story.
We had a joint account, if the money went there then it would have been for the household/kids and it would have been more likely seen as child support contribution. I’m in NY
Judges always put child’s best interests above either parent. Payments to mother should follow a child support ruling so the money is spent on the kids
Wow…you see these celebs never have the money you think they do. I would never think Angelina Jolie would need help buying a home.
When they first split, it seemed like money was going to be nothing for them. I thought both of them were loaded. Has she given away all her money or something
The money’s invested. She needed quick cash. Rich people do not store all their money in cash in the attic. It’s working 24/7 to make more cash, the downside is you can’t access it on a whim.
The house was 25 mill apparently and she only needed him to spot her 9, not exactly struggling.
Exactly what I thought. I would never imagine Angelina asking for a loan. What Brad is doing is just part of his abusive behavior. Disgusting.
She did not work since the plane’s incidents, devoting all her time to the children.
But my god – she’s been a huge actress for YEARS. What happened to all the money she’d made before that? I can’t imagine they’ve been living paycheck to paycheck.
I think her money is tied to properties and other liquidity like most millionaires.
Plus she has also been given 1/3 of salary to charity for the past 18 years.
I think she signed up on Maleficent 2, other Disney movie, Ivan because she now needs to earn again and support her children.
I thought she had millions and millions of dollars, and that they already had multiple homes. If she needed a loan to buy a house, I guess their wealth isn’t what I thought.
I think she has the money but maybe couldn’t access it in time frame back then because he wanted her to buy a house nearby. Also the 9 mill didn’t all go towards the house – they mentioned security and therapy etc., I am sure she also has used millions since 2016 for all six children – since she has paid 100% for all the child support.
The house was $24-$26M, if he loaned her $8M, she still had to come out of pocket of her own money and pay between $16-$18M plus she has been shouldering the majority of the kids basic need for 2 years. Perhaps she felt by her willing to move what 2 miles from him which would benefit both him and the kids that he would be willing to help with some of the expense but guess he wasn’t.
@roses
She brought the house in April 2017, about 8 months after they split not 2 years.
Given her timeline, she either rented it before the plane incident or just a day or two after it (the 2nd week of September 2016). However, that would also have been while she was staying in the family home with Pitt away – she and the kids went there without him after they got off the plane.
I guess it’s hard to know because although there are stories about how much someone is paid for a movie – $33 million for Maleficent 2, I read somewhere – that’s likely to be a gross figure. Take out whatever percentage has to go to taxes, plus, I don’t know, 10% to agents, 10% to managers, however much to the PR company, plus whatever other commitments there might be and it’s going to be a lot less (not for us ordinary mortals, right enough, but still…)
The kind of lifestyle that they had has got to be expensive, too – private plane travel, multiple homes, multiple hotel stays, tutors, nannies, household staff, personal staff, maintenance and estate workers … that’s just what I can think of off the top of my head. Plus whatever they like to spend their money on – art, motorcycles, clothes, drugs of choice… Look at how quickly Jonny Depp has managed to burn through his astronomical fortune, and he’s not the only one.
@lingli: great comment. The loan doesn’t make sense to me. Instead of paying interest on a loan (which is a total waste of $$$ if you don’t have to do it), then buy a home that’s worth less. She couldn’t have gotten a home for $10-15 million?
Also consider the cost of tuition. Private tuition fees at this level start at 108,000 dollars and can go up to 150k pa. Since she would need a number of tutors, as all the kids are of different ages and levels, she could have shelled out over 1m already. Then factor in clothing, feeding the seven of them, medical and dental care, therapy for the children at 300 an hour and it soon mounts up to overwhelming proportions.
@ lingli
Depp is an addict who spends half a mill/month on wine though, not a great example
I remember Christian Bale doing an interview and saying that he almost lost his house due to money issues. And this was when he was a working actor(although before Batman). He also stated that a lot of other actors were in similar situations at one point.
I don’t find this surprising. She hasn’t worked as a steady actress over the past few years and even when she was, I don’t think she was pulling in huge paychecks. And we already know that women are unpaid compared to male actors. If Brad did kick her out, I could see how she could have very little to her name. Sounds like she’s facing what a lot of women face in divorce cases.
Well she and Brad lived an extravagant lifestyle, with expensive fully renovated properties and big staff entourages everywhere they traveled. Both have focused more on passion projects than money-making ones for the past ten years. But because he’s worked more and has Plan B, he is the wealthier of the two. I think she had the money, but wanted him to contribute to a second home for their children near the family compound. He agreed, but structured it as a loan for tax purposes (gift taxes would have meant additional millions to the IRS). The “loan” makes him look bad, as her team well knows, but it’s a standard tax loophole rich people use all the time–say charging someone 1K in interest over 2 years then forgiving the loan vs. paying 3 million in gift taxes. Maybe he was sticking it to her financially as revenge, but I think it was more of a financial strategy to help them both. Jmo.
Huh. That actually makes a lot of sense. If that’s the case, then, wow. Well, either way, this divorce is too ugly for me, I don’t do this kind of drama. And I think I’ll exit the comments too. 🙂
^^If this was what was going on, neither of their lawyers would be advertising it in conflicting court filings. They might be vindictive against one another, but their lawyers aren’t stupid.
Advertising this only hurts him, since the PR issue and tax consequences are both his. The recipient of a personal gift doesn’t pay the taxes, the giver does (I just double checked this because I wasn’t sure at first).
It’s my understanding that there wouldn’t be any gift tax in this situation, just a transfer between spouses. California is a community property state and they were still legally married at the time, so they own everything jointly.
Note: pre-nuptial agreement details unknown so that may change the status of assets
My guess is she would not want him to have any legal claim to her new home.
“it’s a standard tax loophole rich people use all the time–say charging someone 1K in interest over 2 years then forgiving the loan vs. paying 3 million in gift taxes”
Tax attorney here. (1) Ginger is right that gifts between spouses bear no gift tax. (2) Any personal loan has to bear appropriate market interest (usually at least AFR) or else the IRS will recharacterize it as a partial gift of the foregone interest. If you charge $1k in interest but you should have charged $30k, then the IRS will say you have made a gift of $29k. (3) Forgiving a loan is similarly considered as making a gift, so there’s no loophole there. (4) You are allowed to give away $11,180,000 in your lifetime before you owe any federal gift tax (in 2016 that amount was $5,450,000 but it got drastically increased under the new tax law which was passed by wealthy congressmen to benefit their wealthy constituents).
All that said, if I had to guess, I would think the loan structure had something to do with the impending divorce and as a way of not comingling assets anymore, but I’m not a divorce attorney and not familiar with community property laws. Or he was just being a D to stick it to her. I don’t read much into it b/c I don’t think we have a full understanding and they seem to be cherry picking facts to create narratives.
Kate, they’re probably filing their taxes as singles or will soon be doing so though. That’d probably change everything when it comes to the no-gift-tax thing on transfers between spouses.
I’m thinking that Angelina has an arrangement similar to Keira Kneightley’s who pays herself a monthly allowance, but cannot touch the principal. If that were the case, getting hold of eight or nine million dollars in a short time would be difficult, even though she is a millionaire
Like others, I assume her assets were illiquid. People retain loans for other reasons than that they can’t afford to pay them off. Perhaps her other investments are earning more interest than the interest she is paying on the loan from Brad.
The bottom line is that a loan is not child support.
Celebrities have mortgages like many others, just on a larger scale. Very few celebs have the cash to plunk down a huge amount of money for a home. Angie had already been paying $50,000 a month for rent for over a year, plus supporting her entire staff. Most people with money have the money tied up, money doesn’t do any good if it’s just lying around in a bank account.
To say Angie needs money is ridiculous, she’s been doing the Guerlain ads and commercials and donating every penny of her fee.
I’m glad Angelina is fighting back with FACTS..I’m just boggled as to why he thinks she’ll remain silent after all the leakes & name calling his team has done.
I think the last straw was when Brad leaked documents to make it look like Angelina was alienating the children from the father.
Angelina must have realised then that Brad will never change and she has to stand up for herself.
The linguistic construction of that statement is very interesting.
“Angelina and the children needed to move from the family home, which Brad chose to keep, including all of its contents”
That can be interpreted (as it is by a lot of commenters here) as “He threw her out and she had to find somewhere else” and “He kept all the kids’ stuff”.
However, it doesn’t actually state that. It can also mean
“Angelina rented somewhere and then moved out” and “He was left in the house with the furniture and whatever and he kept it because he didn’t sell it.”
Maybe he offered it to her and she didn’t want it? Maybe it was his house from before they got together, or maybe it was somewhere they bought together and she wanted to make a fresh start? Maybe she felt that because she was leaving him she wanted to/should be the one to go? Who knows?
They’re as bad as each other with the statements. If neither of them were bothered about their image they wouldn’t release statements through their lawyers and/or “sources” or do interviews and they would leave all of this to be sorted out in the courts.
Uh, he’s the one with TMZ on speed dial. He’s the one with the original substance abuse issues that kicked off the whole mess. He’s the one who hasn’t had to deal with child care for two years, someone else picked up the slack for him.
WOW. Just speechless that this dude has the gall to keep the family home (refusing to let his CHILDREN stay in their home) and then acts like a bank to their mother and expects her to thank him. I don’t even have a word strong enough for what an awful person he’s showing himself to be.
Exactly horrible human being who threw out his children and didn’t even let them keep their things..
Runcmc, how do you judge someone without proof of evidence. Were you present & a witness to this comment? He says, she says, if this is a true fact I’m sure Ms Jolie will produce the evidence to the judge & the children will confirm it.
It’s a payment and not a loan as for as purpose goes. Legally a loan for tax reasons. Only structured as such so no risk of paying tax, I’m willing to bet. When finances are resolved they just deduct it. He’s effectively given her 8 m in cash and paid 1.3 m in bills over 2 years.
It’s a loan with interest payments as confirmed by his own lawyers.
He expects Angelina to pay the amount plus the interest so no, it won’t be deducted.
Stop with the semantics,The people in the k now have called it a loan.
If it’s a gift just called a loan then why is she repaying it?
Also he kept their house. He SHOULD have to legally contribute to getting a roof over his children’s heads.
IRS won’t be taking your word for it. These hundred millionaires’ accountants and tax lawyers will be making sure everything’s legit and a demonstrated repayment schedule is essential. There’s no way that’s a real loan. Look at how much property they own together. It’s just tax effectiveness.
@chichi if it weren’t a loan and a tax loophole they wouldn’t be making filings to the court calling it a loan with details of interest payments etc. Come on.
@Clare of course they would lol. If you’re trying to “scam” the IRS, you don’t file a document in court saying that’s what you’re trying to do.
(I don’t think its a “scam” per se, just a tax loophole. But you don’t announce that it wasn’t actually a loan to one government entity while telling another that it was a loan.)
@chichi if Angie is supplying interest out of her pocket, it’s a loan.
She would have had to pay millions in gift taxes (30% I believe) if it were not structured as a loan. A family member was helped with a house downpayment in this way. Lent 65K, made payments for two years with a tiny bit of interest, then the loan was forgiven.
“Semantics” is what it’s all about though. You can loan someone money without paying taxes. Gifting the money would be taxed at an astronomical rate, 50% or more in their bracket. It can’t be written off as child support because there is no child support agreement. So he loans her 8mil for a down payment and she then uses her own 8 mil as she wishes rather than for the down payment. She had money for her own down payment, assuming otherwise is bogus. Now she’s 8 mil ahead and major taxes are avoided. The 8 mil is a loan, complete with interest of course, and will always be referred to as a loan for tax purposes. Then when financials are addressed in divorce, the loan is resettled between them.
I think this might be the “informal agreement” each party keeps referring to.
No gift tax on a transfer of assets between spouses in California, it is a community property state (unless prenup is specific to these actual funds and states otherwise)
I was thinking it would have been easier to buy the house in both their names, and then Brad would file a quitclaim deed after the transaction closed, transferring full title to Ange. But if they didn’t have enough cash to purchase the house outright, that makes things more complicated.
@Ginger, there would still be federal taxes, which are the biggest hit.
@Dara, the fact that they didn’t buy it jointly indicating that this loan was for cash flow for Angelina…
She’s paying interest, it’s a loan.
Absolutely it’s a loan. As a loan she gets 8 mil minus interest. As a gift minus taxes at 38% (guessing here) she gets 5mil and 3 mil go to the government. It’s a perfectly legal,wise tax maneuver.
And she keeps her own 8 mil in her pocket to use as she pleases rather than using it for the house.
Guys – the whole “this loan is a tax thing that rich people use” narrative was addressed above by the tax attorney. It doesn’t really work. I’m a corporate lawyer, not a tax attorney, but believe me these simplistic tax avoidance schemes don’t really work. Tax avoidance laws have them covered! Also gifting thresholds are high! Please see above, as better drafted by Kate.
Pitt has given away millions in his life time (JP foundation, etc) so maybe the 11m gifting threshold is no longer of benefit to him. And if it still applies, maybe he didn’t want to gift it for that exact reason: he wants to save the tax benefits for future donations.
The question is whether married-but-filing-separately/about-to-divorce/separated couples can still gift each other money tax free. Anyway, even if not, a divorcing couple wouldn’t want to continue to comingle wealth and when things get acrimonious, you CYA like he has done. 8 million is still quite a lot of money, unless you’re in the billionaire range.
Hoo boy. I’m not a Brad defender, but I’m not as anti Brad as others on here, but this……this is pretty bad.
I can actually kind of understand the theory of the loan. He doesn’t have to buy Angelina Jolie a new house. So, I get that someone in his camp said, don’t give her the money, loan her the money. All right.
but that loan should NOT be considered in any way shape or form to be child support. I cant believe his people thought putting that out there would be end this story. It just makes Brad look shittier.
I do think its kind of weird that Angelina needed to borrow money to buy a house, regardless of the circumstances of the breakup, since she does have a ton of money, and if for some reason she couldn’t access it right then, then she prob should have repaid the loan ASAP. but rich people are weird with money sometimes.
now what I can see a court saying is that Brad did lend her the money when he didn’t have, and he certainly did not have to lend her 8 million (she couldn’t buy a 4 or 5 million dollar house?) The expectation in family court after a divorce is NOT necessarily that there is no change in lifestyle. If they lived in a 15 million dollar mansion before, Brad is under no obligation to ensure that Angelina can buy a similar house now that they are divorcing. I think people here get confused on what exactly “child support” means – it means just that. It doesn’t mean Brad is going to be forced to pay half of every paycheck to Angelina for the kids, especially as she has significant means herself.
1.3 million over 24 months is about 55k a month, which is less than 10k a kid (right? 6 kids?) which isn’t “nothing” but Brad can also afford to pay significantly more, and he should. He doesn’t have to pay to cover private planes between LA and wherever Angelina is filming, but he needs to pay more than 10k per month per kid.
Messy messy messy.
If the 1.3m is not even half of what’s needed to raise the kids (she’s asking him to pay 50%) then how much does it cost to raise their kids?
Given the kind of privileged, globe-trotting lives they live I would say A LOT. Obviously they’re not on the verge of starvation or homelessness, but the life they’re accustomed to probably isn’t as easy to maintain now that AJ & BP have split and aren’t pooling their resources like before (I’m guessing, because how the hell would I know?). I hope BP really is providing his fair share and that this is only a snapshot of the bigger picture.
I thought all 6 kids required 24/7 security. That alone could cost 1m per year as there’s 6 individuals to cover from a private security firm. But who knows
Before they split there were stories about how much they spent on full time teachers,nannies,bodyguards,etc I remember reading they all were paid over $100,000 each.So they probably spent over a million a year on staff taking care of the kids.That’s not including food,clothing,etc.Maddox has a large dark gray or black truck (fan pages post paparazzi pics of him driving around LA) so that’s another expense.At one point Zahara was riding horses (expensive hobby)
Geez he’s not even paying her Kevin Federline level support at that rate…
A 4 or 5 million dollar house in Southern California is not what you’re thinking it is. My condo is pretty basic at a little more than $600,000 and it’s not at all in a posh area.
Where I live $600 grand will buy you a 4 bedroom/3 bathroom home on 5-15 acres, with a creek running through your property. Throw in fresh air and greenery everywhere and it’s country over city any day,
Brad and TMZ are scum.
“Angelina and the children needed to move from the family home, which Brad chose to keep, including all of its contents”
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LosFeliz property contains at least 5 homes but that @%%^$R refused to leave, because it’s easier to move 7 people than one narcissictic person. I have no words for Pitt anymore. That’s new low even for him.
Plus nannies, tutors and security as well. We are talking about atleast 15 people instead of Brad and his security team…
Why do you need multiple nannies for children that age? At that point, they ranged ages 8-15.
I think Angelina once mentioned that the nannies are also their tutors.
That live with them? Otherwise you’re just talking about people driving to a different location than the one they were driving to previously. Doesn’t sound that complicated.
I remember something about the nannies also teaching/speaking to each child in their native language. Multi-lingual nannies don’t come cheap.
This is really low, even for Pitt, even worse than the actual incident that could have been explained by alcoholor substance abuse. But this? This is a man taking the cold-blooded decision to basically throw his own kids from the family home because their mother dared to leave him.
It was his property even before they were together; it’s his. Angelina probably wanted to move on. I’m surprised she didn’t have her own LA house.
Legally it’s his but emotionally it’s also his children’s. You would think a father would understand that.
I think she was living in the UK before they got together.
@Sarah
I think Angelina wanted a house and took the kids with her. The children spend time there when they are with Brad (it’s not like they never go there). Split houses happens with divorced people.
All this time I was wondering why AJ and the kids were not living in the former family home in LA, which seemed simpler given the circunstances, now I get it.
Team Pitt and their various minions had the audacity to complain about the kids travelling abroad and lacking structure when they basically got thrown out of their house because of their disgusting, abusive dad. Here I tough my opinion of Pitt could not get any lower than after the “I did not hit my son in the head” tidbit, I was dead wrong.
I was always wondering that too, especially with a family that large, you think they would’ve stayed in the big compound and he would’ve gotten another house somewhere. I can’t believe he refused to leave or give them any contents! What an ass.
I also can’t believe he’s charging her interest on the loan. That’s just low. So I don’t get why she agreed to that, you’re telling me she couldn’t get a mortgage? Outside financing of some kind? A smaller house that doesn’t cost $25 million? But for whatever reason she agreed to it, a loan is not part of child support. $1.3 million is, but over two years with six kids, not that much for someone with his income.
To answer Becks below, I believe he owned that property before they got together, and added to it over the years. Don’t know if any of it is in her name.
I guess I read into him keeping the house and the contents as trying to keep everything intact for the kids when they stay there? I know that’s what I would do if my husband had taken our kids…who knows, though. I am firmly in the camp of I have no idea what’s really going on here except that it can’t be good for their kids to not have a resolution of some sort by now.
I was thinking, when was the last time we had a high-profile divorce with young children and the children were the ones who basically had to move out?
I remember Katie Holmes and Suri.
Thanks for that info, tracking, that makes a lot more sense. The original statement sounded like the kids weren’t even able to collect their clothes or anything, but if they were able to go home for a bit before moving, that’s better. And I can understand her wanting to move elsewhere, if things were that bad, and the property is mostly his.
“after the plane incident she and the kids went home effectively kicking him out.” I’m kind of relieved to read that, tracker. It seemed like such an unnecessary cruelty to his kids during such a traumatic time.
I was going to say we have never seen him display behaviour anything like this towards his children ever, but nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors.
Also did they buy the family home together? it seems to me that Angelina may have been able to get a court order telling Brad to move out of their house if it was joint property.
This is not just a messy divorce, but a very weird one.
No it’s his, he bought that 1st house back in 90’s, then he kept buying homes around it. Last one he bought when they were together already but not yet married.
I think he got the main house back before he got with Aniston.
ETA: I looked it up, he bought it in July 1994, so he was with Gwyneth Paltrow at the time.
That loan does not take the place of child support. I’m sure he expects to get paid back for the loan. I don’t understand why he wouldnt just want to go through the court system and pay a set amount each month. Well, I guess i do, he probably thinks it will be more money. But still, that’s his kids too and it’s not like he’s broke.
I’m guessing Angie wasn’t actually prepared for leaving. I had previously thought she was planning her exit and the plane thing escalated it, but now I think this was a very sudden break. For her to get a loan from him with interest (interest! For his children’s mother!) means Angie bolted without preparation. And he did something unthinkable for her and the kids to just let him keep the family home and things.
And if “kept the family home and all its contents” means he didn’t let the kids have their things, then he is a genuine POS who deserves no custody.
I’m more than ever convinced he said he that he regrets having the kids, which is what caused Angie to bolt from the plane. I don’t believe he loves them at all treating them and Angie like this.
It’s pure speculation on my part but I have always thought the truly terrible thing about the plane incident was about something Brad SAID rather than something he DID. Although I do think there was some kind of physical contact between Maddox and him (hence the infamous “I did not hit my son in the head”).
I have never felt more sorry for the children, espacially the youngest ones and Maddox. Witnessing serious arguments between your parents is never great but it seems like what happens was way beyond that.
I’ve always thought he said something. Maybe something about race. Something unforgivable.
As I wrote yesterday, Brad will undoubtedly win the pr war but he should not be too surprised if none of his kids spoke to him for a few years. And he will have no one to blame but himself.
That’s my thought. Is it really worth it when his kids probably won’t talk to him again? They’re old enough to remember that Dad wouldn’t let them back into the house or to get their stuff, or that Dad was drunk again (I doubt this was the first time) and mad, that mom was the one who dropped everything to stay with them and make sure they were taken care of.
Plus every single one of them is old enough to get on the internet and read this very news about what he is doing now in this divorce…
Lovely, so Maddox is probably able to read all the vaguely racist comments blaming HIM as an unruly, bratty teenager instead of his father.
Sarah—And he didn’t hit Maddox in the face. Give him a medal.
I really don’t know what Brad is thinking about. What is he even worried about? There could be a video of him physically assaulting his children and people would still defend him. His reputation will be fine, either way. But his relation with his kids won’t be.
Having a substance abuse problem is not something to be ashamed of and I feel sorry for people who have to deal with this kind of issue but, everything Brad has done since that plane incident, is unforgivable.
There were already people defending him back when the plane incident happened, basically saying that Angelina allowed the children to be brats & that physical altercations between fathers & sons could be normal if Maddox was acting like a punk. Seriously. So yes, I’m sure people would defend him even if there was a video of whatever happened.
His reputation will Not be find.
Jessica, I don’t think there is a video of the incident. I do think something bad happened though.
And let’s remember that reality-tv “personality” Mama June invited a convicted pedophile who had assaulted her oldest daughter to live in her house with her then nine-year old daughter, got rightfully investigated by CPS and … CPS did not find anything worthy in their investigation soooooooo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Exactly – the ongoing defence of Johnny Depp etc is evidence that regardless of what he does or had done the women who adore him will continue to do so. They will continue to support handsome, white, rich man over the woman. All day every day.
Johnny Deep’s ongoing defense truly is a mystery. These days, he is anything BUT handsome.
Precisely what I said: the loan will be part of property division,however she also has rights to matrimonial assets which I expect will greatly outdo any money Brad gave as a loan AND dude has not paid the pure and simple child support which is NOT special expenses (therapists, school, etc) but a completely separate category. I hope she takes him to the cleaners. Men have a very strong inclination to avoid divorce and child support payments and yes, I stand by this generalization.
It’s so disturbing that even a man with SO MUCH money would avoid financially supporting his children. Why for? It’s not like he will have to move form house 3 bed house to a 1 bedroom flat if he pays his 50% of their expenses? It’s just petty man shit – its disgusting.
Because many men do not see child support as something the CHILD is entitled to.They see it as an unreasonable demand from the mother and are therefore determined to use it to hurt their ex. Add to that that Pitt got dumped and ghosted for the first time in a really long time and we obtain this mess.
Yeah because it’s fine to bring children into the world but once separated from their mother, dear dad’s financial obligations are supposed to suddenly separate from him too. Pathetic but very very common, sadly.
TeamJolie Angelina loves her children and she is a good woman.
I wonder if she regrets getting those back tattoos that bind her to Brad.
Those shared tattoos and the wedding were the two of them grasping on to a relationship that was already dead, in my opinion. She looked so unhappy in all the wedding photos except the ones with the kids.
I think they tried very hard to make it work for the sake of the kids, much longer than they probably should have. It’s sad.
And her thigh tattoo Whiskey Bravo. And his coordinates on her arm. It’s odd because she said BTS was lingering on their marriage in a negative way and FTKMF made her explore what it means to be a family (doubting her own marriage?) but then the break seems incredibly sudden yet the decline of the marriage seemed to have started after the wedding. Then she still gets such a big tattoo for her marriage a few months before the break up? No tattoo can fix a problem. Instead of a band aid baby she had a band aid tattoo.
The back Tattoos have nothing to do with Pitt – as in related to him. They’re Khmer prayers, like the one on her shoulder she’s had for years. I think the ” binding” was in that they got them at the same time, used the same ink and the chants when she got them done and he got his. So it was more the ritual of it that was supposed to ” bind” them apparently. Still dumb of her to get Whiskey Bravo and his coordinates though. Angelina and Loung have “matching” tattoos on their shoulder blades though which I find cute.
Ugh ugh ugh, this makes me physically ill. Brad is disgusting and I haven’t liked him since he and Jennifer split. He’s a cocky little shit and he’s punishing Angelina for daring to leave him.
I get that he is trying to punish her for daring to leave but doen’t he realize he is also punishing his own children? My hearts breaks just thinking about their children having to witness an altercation between their parents/sibling, in a closed space no less and then not even being able to go to their family home.
He doesn’t waste any time thinking about anyone but himself. It’s all about his needs, his wants, his image, etc. etc. He doesn’t give a damn about the kids.
Me too – I almost cried when I read that he evicted 6 traumatised children and kept their things too.
What a horrible person he turned out to be.
Except they weren’t evicted.
@Josie, if they needed to be away from him and he refused to move out of the family house, they had no other choice but to leave themselves. Maybe he didn’t forcefully removed them from the property but he sure forced her hand in not staying.
That wasn’t the main family home – that’s the chateau in France – the house is the property Brad bought when he was married to Aniston. In any case she voluntarily left with the kids, they weren’t evicted. If he was drinking that’s understandable.
@Josie He bought the house way before he even met Aniston. He was with Gwyneth when he bought it.
yeah, aniston did not want to live there because she did not want to live in the same home Goop had lived in, so off they went to buy the other ridiculously expensive home.
It could have been something as simple as “no I’m not giving you all of the kids things because they need stuff when they see me”. I guess i’m just skeptical about any argument that hinges on someone being a horrible person for loaning $8 million dollars, not giving.
It wouldn’t be a case of him giving HER the kid’s things. It would be him giving the kids THEIR things. Things that he can easily and with no bother afford to replace, for when they visit with him. I mean, sure she can afford to replace them, too. But let’s not fool ourselves into thinking Brad kept the family home and withheld the children’s belongings for THEIR benefit. Nope nope nope.
But it wasn’t the family home. It was his property, and Angelina had already moved the children into a rental when she filed for divorce. Yeah, it sucks, but unfortunately the possession of multimillion dollar property is a thing in a contentious divorce.
And didn’t the children have things in their homes all over the world? This wouldn’t have been like you or me, with our children’s one residence and set of possessions. I’m just pointing out, we’re trying to think of this in terms of our own lives and our own kids, but it’s not.
Edit: Also, Tracking just reminded us that Angelina DID go back to the house and Brad didn’t. She left the compound to go to her rental. How was Brad withholding stuff if he wasn’t the one there?
Everybody talking about the family home when they said they consider the chateau in France the family home. None of their children were even born in the US! They spent more time in France and had a wine business there and BP regularly went to France to pump money into renovating and decorating that ugly home and for the wine business. BP said in GQ that it’s his kids childhood home and that it’s important he’s there, I feel like these people are so confused about what their life was and what it is now.
What BP did was dirty and selfish but they had homes and personal possessions all over the world then when things fall apart they’re arguing over material things like property and possessions when they didn’t even live in the US for long stretches of time and AJ was out there bashing the empty lifestyle of Hollywood and how bad education system was in the US! Now LA is their base all of a sudden? Rich people problems that they caused themselves. They loved that nomadic lifestyle, renting out super expensive homes while on location and now they’re clinging onto LA like they don’t have properties all over the world? They were out buying stuff for their kids in every city they were based. Were they going to collect all that stuff as well and put it in 1 home? When it all comes down to it, they were always Hollywood pretending their lives were global.
– gushing over how in love they are, check
– clinging on to each other on red carpet events, check
– getting matching tattoos, check
– living luxury nomad lives (check) and doing charity, check
– fall out of love, divorce, argue over money and children, check (check, check)
And someone is surprised how this fairy tale ended for two Hollywood celebrities? Really?
Whoa. I don’t see how Brad can come back from this. His behavior is disgusting. She hasn’t even told anyone what happened on the plane. Using it as leverage to get the settlement she needs.
Oh, in terms of PR , he can absolutely come back for this, because mediocre, white men are always forgiven. I mean, Mel Gibson is still doing movies. People on this very thread are already doing the most with the both side bs.
But his children are never going to forgive him. He could have apologized after that plane incident, go into rehab for a few weeks/months and everyone would be doing much better.
But how do you know he didn’t apologise? How do you know he didn’t go into rehab, or therapy?
No one hears the kids’ voices in this PR war, which is as it should be. Hopefully it’s a different story behind closed doors.
Brad is so low.
Spiegel sounds like a source of tmz. I dont like the way he addressed the filings but who am i? Lol.
He doesn’t deserve the custody when at first he threw the kids out. No doubt Jolie will fight it so hard.
Team Jolie
I am speechless. He not only threw them out, but f’ing loaned the mother of his children money to get a home for the children he kicked out. WTEVERLOVINGF?! Who does that? Who runs around pretending they have the higher moral ground when they have acted horribly before, during and after the separation? No wonder your children are reluctant to reconnect to you, you colossal ass!
And he had the audacity to say JOLIE had no coping mechanism.
I’m sure all the therapists and counseling fees have added up. I am sure even the most rabid Brad fan can see he has been miserly and vindictive.
It is also not a surprise that most latch onto, oh I didn’t know she didn’t have that kind of money. They have a lot of properties bought in a trust and I’m sure she she has ton of investments she could have divested but chose not to was advised not to, but the fact remains that Brad traumatized his children and kept them out of their home and yet people contorting themselves to defend him.
Now it makes sense how Trump won.
I wondered why she was running around renting homes for the her and the kids after the split….Brad is cold blooded. Brad did not even live in the Los Feliz property for a few months after the split! Lol.
Jolie purchased a home she clearly can’t afford on her own should have been a red flag. How is she going to manage the expenses?
Sure @sage she can’t afford it.
Standing back watching how Angelina’s detractors try to create yet another false reality for Angelina that makes them feel better about themselves.
She’s all the way BROKE! Add this one to the ‘she’s not a humanitarian she’s a child abuser for her child actor exercise/audition on set, ‘ along with this one…’Brad left bec he was tired of all of those kids and traveling.
So transparent
Wait—what was the Plane Incident? I obviously missed it. I just thought they got tired of each other and split. Did he freak out on a plane or something?
We don’t know for sure what happened but there was an airplane incident, some kind of fight at first between Brad and Angelina, and then Maddox, their eldest son who supposedly got between the two of them. It is possible that some kind of physical contact between Brad and Maddox occured at this time. Team Pitt’s defense was very… peculiar, let’s say as they insisted he did not hit his son in the head.
Angelina left with the children a few days after and file for divorce.
You have a lot of catching up to do lol!
Is it the first time Brad get dumped by a high-profile significant other? Maybe taht’s why he does not seem to deal with Jolie’s leaving him in a rational way.
I really think he’s one of those people who has always gotten his way and done what he wanted with little to no consequences. He was handsome and probably charming, and people like that can get away with a lot.
He managed to dump his first wife for a costar and convince a lot of people it was her fault. He came out of that with a new reputation for philanthropy and being a “great father”, while Jen and Angelina were both trashed in the tabloids for a decade. I used to joke that his official name was Brad Pitt, Father of Six, because he was almost always referred to that way.
Now he’s lost his relationship, his children, was investigated by FBI/CPS, and had to admit to decades of substance abuse. He probably is at a total loss on how to deal with it.
First people on here claimed Brad had no money and his finances were in trouble when it’s clear he has a lot more than her. He was able to dish out 8 million dollars quickly.
Either way, I hope this is resolved quickly.
I certainly hope he has much more money than Jolie given that he is almost 12 years older and paid much than she is, just by virtue of being a man.
I don’t think it will get resolved quickly, not if we add money problems to the custody one.
“I certainly hope he has much more money than Jolie given that he is almost 12 years older and paid much than she is, just by virtue of being a man.”
I’m saying that narrative on CB was that Brad had all this debt and wasn’t good with money and Angelina finances were completely sound. She needed a house and had to go through her ex to get it instead of just going to a bank. I think that’s weird.
Jessica, I posted elsewhere that it is unlikely she needed a loan, but had the reasonable expectation that he would contribute to a second home for their children near the family compound. It was also reasonable for him to structure the contribution as a loan due to tax consequences. Both were reasonable in this situation imo, but it’s now time to properly sort out their finances. She’s incredibly wealthy and might not technically need it, but he’s even wealthier and will need to pay whatever the courts deem fair.
@tracking, that sounds sensible and makes sense.
Jessica I still think he has money issues. If Johnny Depp does how rich do you think brad Pitt is? He’s constantly making movies for a reason hello!
Every time…I see…ANYTHING about them…I just think of what I thought and felt when I watched their last film together “By The Sea”…and my MAIN thought process was….
“I don’t think there’s a lot of acting going on…”
“Whatever they HAD in ‘Mr. & Mrs. Smith’ is gone…”
“This is NOT going to end well…NOT at all…”
AJ is clearly the smarter one of the two and yet she thought BTS would be a better way to spend her money and time than maybe therapy. And that this would be a good way to celebrate her marriage (it was their honeymoon project). Creatives huh? But sure, according to their promo tour for this depressive sh-t, this had NOTHING in common with their fights and issues. Lies, lies and fairytales. Not only is their relationship the end of high profile Hollywood relationships, it’s also the end of believing such relationships can ever be normal and real. It’s all PR spin for an image that is only half true.
@Artemis
I really don’t get this stale line of attack. Is it really so hard for you to accept that at one time they loved each other, were happy, accomplished some really great things together and thought each one hung the moon?
Then lifelong alcohol and substance abuse and the inability to curtail ruined and destroyed their family?
Why do you think just because they’re famous they’re somehow immune to addiction, and the distrust and irresponsibility that can bring the rest of us down daily —
Why do you think they’re so different from the rest of us?
Including, and for example –bizarrely thinking Angelina had to be lying and covering all along -that she never ever was in love and never thought he was a good parent and always knew he was shite….she just kept up an act to make you and the other Aniston stans heads explode? Because who is Angelina if she’s not living a lie and being dishonest to make other women jealous??!
Please lady, just stop. Stop the low key AJ bashing. It’s so transparent.
@Cleo:
Except I’m not talking about their complete timeline as a couple, I specifically mentioned the period from 2014-2016 which was clearly the decline of their relationship?
Is it not true they did promo for the film AJ wrote, directed and produced that featured her real life husband as an alcoholic and remarking that her film husband’s issues were nothing like her real life husband’s? When you put info out there that you can quote people on when sh-t falls apart, don’t blame the person quoting it, blame the person who said it in the first place to bring attention to themselves.
Nothing you wrote in your response to my post even references things I said, if you can’t quote me then don’t make up things. The fact that you mention JA lets me know the logic behind your reasoning and it’s just incorrect.
@Cleo2
Please lady, just stop. Stop the low key JA bashing. It’s so transparent.
AJ said she made by the sea because she wanted to communicate something to Brad
I used to think Brad was just stupid, but now I think he’s stupid, evil, and vindictive. What a horrible person.
I don’t see why he would do something like that to his kids. They are innocent in this mess and they have already suffered enough.
Brad is not stupid. A person doesn’t make it as far as he has if they’re stupid. His problem is his insecurity and pride, plus some daddy issues.
He’s made some really stupid choices lately. Really, really stupid.
Cute and stupid carried him for a long time in Hollywood.
I did the sums and it amounts to 9k per kid for 24 months. That would be about right for security and therapy but I doubt cover teachers nannies chef accomm since the new house costs 24m! Yeah it turns out that Brad with 240m IS a deadbeat dad. Really disappointing!!
But that’s only 50% right? You’re telling me these kids need 2.6 MILLION in therapy, travel and body guards over the course of 2 years? And I’m betting insurance picked up a lot of the therapy dollars. I don’t buy it that that money wasn’t covering some of there basic necessities.
He could have avoided all of the IRS/tax issues by not being a jerk and let the children stay in their home with their things and a sense of familiarity while their parents go through a divorce. But you force the mother of your children to scramble to find a place to live when he could have just left.
Brad, you are acting worse than Ben nanny-banging Affleck. Look at your life, look at your choices dude.
Just going to point something out. Brad owned the property – it pre-dated Jolie. In a divorce, you want to be clear cut about who owns what, and that includes who is residing in what property. Yeah, it sucks, but Angelina has the money and the means to provide a living space for her children.
They are not HER children. They are THEIR children. And because she supposedly “has the money and the means,” is she supposed to facilitate everything? I think something that is getting lost here is that AJ has had to handle 6 kids for nearly two years on her own. SIX kids. Even if you have nannies and help, the decision making and emotional heavy lifting falls on the parent. So while BP presumably got clean, lived a mellow life, dated the professor, AJ had to handle THEIR six children, because of his misbehavior. He not only should pay up, he should kiss her feet for handling all six kids as a single parent.
I only have two kids seven years apart, I can’t imagine how daunting it is to handle six kids who are all close in age.
@minx Thank you for you truthful post!
But that’s not even the discussion here. It wasn’t the “family home”. It was always Pitt’s, and they’ve never extensively lived in CA. And Angelina has real estate holdings of her own. It would be one thing if he’d barred her from Miraval, but that’s not the case.
You said she has the money and the means to provide a living space for her children. Is Brad not to be bothered with any of the mundane details of THEIR childrens’ welfare? He’s basically gotten a free ride for two long years.
You’ve gone out of your way trying to justify Brad’s actions on all threads but the law is clear: child support is the right of the *child* of the marriage, it does not depend on the other parent’s income/wealth, it is the paying parent’s contribution to raising THEIR child just as if they had not separated. It’s a legal obligation separate and apart from any and every other claim be it property, custody, access or special expenses. It is very clear cut and this guy has not paid it. Period.
She’s not arguing that, though. At all.
She’s saying that it was HIS house – bought before he was ever with Jolie. It wasn’t something they bought together. He had every right to stay in his property. It’s up to Angelina to live in one of the other properties they owned as a couple or purchase one that will be hers. It wasn’t even their home base – this isn’t a case of a man kicking his wife and kids out of a jointly owned home with nowhere to go.
Between the two of them there are properties in New Orleans, NY, Los Feliz, Santa Barbara, France, Majorca – and now she owns her own in Los Feliz. It’s not like this was the only home that they owned and she was left with absolutely nowhere to go.
They did finally sell New Orleans, but yes, there are several other properties. I think he bought Santa Barbara pre-Angelina, but the rest were bought while together. That’s a lot of stuff to divide up. This must be one complicated divorce.
Holy Crap! You know where all of their properties are!? I don’t know that much about blood relatives. You guys are very loyal fans 😍
@Erinn I’ve noticed you come after me on a number of threads without actually reading carefully. Maybe, read the poster’s multiple posts on each thread about this divorce and then we can probably understand each other better.
Legally I doubt she could have spirited the kids away to another country for two years. Or even to a house in another state. She had to get a house in California, near his, near the investigations and authorities, to prove she was willing to co-parent from the get-go. Better to buy one near him then waste money renting as it is clear he’s staying in that original house for years.
It’s their children and it’s his obligation to pay child support for his kids. He’s luck she’s asking 50% of child support & not spousal support, normal fathers pay most of the child support & spousal support.
I’m not tripping about the house…I wouldn’t want to stay in the former home myself…I wouldn’t want the memories…and obviously some of them ain’t good…
I’m tripping about NOT paying a dime towards the children’s expenses after securing me a LOAN in which I’m paying back with interest to BUY a home for our children and having the UNMITIGATED GALL to call that child support…
So…I’m going to PAY you back…for CHILD SUPPORT?!?!
WHERE THEY DO THAT AT?!?!
LOL for real, my ex would love to know where he should move in order to make me pay back the child support with interest!
That’s why what he gave her is not child support, but a loan. If it were child support she wouldn’t have to pay it back and with interest.
Don’t have 6 kids if you don’t want to pay Child Support Brad. SMH. Also, AJ does a lot of charity work, has an expensive lifestyle which involves a lot of travel and security and also had 2 major surgeries in the last 5 years. She isn’t making the kind of money she probably once did. Also she is the main caregiver for 6 kids.
Even before their divorce Brad seems to be working his ass off starring in movies back to back to back etc so Angelina can be stay-at-home-mom, occasional directress, sometimes actress and producer, and globetrotting humanitarian.
We know she sunk a lot of her own money into FTKMF. Possibly other movie projects too, like Breadwinner and Difret.
It’s clear that Pitt in no way contributed any cash towards the purchase of the new home for the children. A loan – really jackass? If he did he’d be crowing about that too. That’s reprehensible. He’s also not claiming that he replaced their belongings. He is not stating that he has in any meaningful way contributed to the sizable expenses. As we say in other discussions – where are the receipts?
Angelina & Brad have a sizable property portfolio –
https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/brad-pitt-angelina-jolie-homes
They haven’t worked out all of the details of the financial settlement. division of assets, etc. However a responsible parent, a good guy, would provide an equitable contribution to their family.
He is punishing Angelina & the children. He is demonstrating that he would rather be adversarial & punitive rather than working this through in a peaceful, fair, cooperative, manner.
As Maya Angelou said, “When someone shows you who they are believe them the first time.” Pitt is doing that right now – showing his ass. Suck it up buttercup – do the right thing.
Why has this court battle gotten so bad? I forgot.
I figured they’d divorce someday (er, like 20 years from now after they’d gotten sick of each other), but if you had told me it would get this messy between the both of them and that they’d both come out looking as bad as the other one, I wouldn’t have believed you.
Back when they got together, I thought their ending would be just as volatile as their beginning.
I actually didn’t, since they both handled their prior splits pretty quickly and quietly (minus his nasty PR toward Aniston). But the involvement of children changes everything.
I agree. They are both not looking great in this situation. You two have 6 KIDS!!!! Get IT TOGETHER.
perplexed: I always tend to be in agreement with you. I never thought they were a forever couple. In life, when things seem too perfect, they generally aren’t. I’m sure having children they intended on a life long marriage, but doesn’t everybody. I hate when anything gets this ugly. It’s so War of the Roses. No turning back now. Totally out of control. They should both be ashamed, not of their hate of each other, but what they’re doing to those kids.
Well at this point it’s safe to say that not only the custody is messy. This divorce will be messy in every aspect: financial, divorce, logistics for the co-parenting. EVERYTHING will be an issue because they’re out for blood, the both of them. It will only amount to the court dismantling their carefully build up image over the course of a decade when more documents leak about their financial status and expenses and property. This will drag on for a long time post-custody. Hopefully AJ is smart enough to focus on commercial films guaranteed to be a hit and focus on her career only, not her personal life because she doesn’t have a lot of leeway in the court of public opinion. Or that she completely retires from Hollywood and focuses on ads for luxury products for cashflow or a paid political position.
They are both to blame. Handle it privately for your children. Immature.
Explain this? I’ve asked so many brangelina fans to explain why they think she’s equally to blame and haven’t got a response. He’s the one that had cps and fbi investigating their family but she’s equily to blame ?
It’s been 2 yrs and no custody arrangement (and the judge admonished her), and she’s taken the case public.
They’re both a mess.
Josie What would you do if your family was taken through cps and kids were questioned by the FBI? She’s obviously over it since she is the one that filed something to hurry up and get the divorce finalized.
x1000!
She’s the one that filed bifurcation so she’s the one who wants out of this situation and he’s the one wanting to drag this out. He doesn’t want the divorce but it’s been two years hello time to let go
It is time for Angie to move on. Wonder how you’re supposed to feel when you’re holding out hope that your husband, the father of your children, will attend all his court-ordered therapy, attending AA or whatever the hell he’s supposed to attend, and do every follow up in order to achieve those goals, and all you hear is he’s so much happier with Dr. No, he’s living a more fulfilled life. Where is the statements about his children? I’m just sorry it took Angie two years to come to this decision. I said all alone she should bifurcate the divorce and let the courts settle custody. Glad she finally had enough and said it’s between Brad, the children, and the courts. You go gurl!
@Go Figure Right on!
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The gloves are off!
I am no fan of Jolie but wtf Brad?! You loaned money to the mother of your children and call it child support? Really??
If I had $200 million dollars I’d have bought my ex a house. No sheet. Still would
This is just getting more and more ridiculous. I’m kind of surprised that her attorney publicly admitted to a loan. Whatever child support is ordered might have to go towards that.
Like that basketball player where the judge ordered that the money his kids mom owed him (from a separate lawsuit) come out of the child support he was paying her.
That’s one thing I’ll say. She actually doesn’t need a loan she made a lot of $ from salt and Maleficent. Someone on a movie site said she made 70 m from salt because of a backend deal and she made a lot from Maleficent too because disney payed her for toys that were being made. There is no way she needed 8 or 9 m loan.
She may not have that much in liquid cash or may not qualify for traditional financing. He may have actually financed the home for her because he’s had that home down the street for 20+ years. Lots of equity. The Los Angeles home market is crazy. People from all over the world jump in and by this type of home with an all cash offer and then you’re out. She may have put up most of the cash and then asked him for the rest in order to get the property. In that case, he would have made it a loan against a settlement she will get from him which while it is a schrewd deal. It’s cheap. He’s rolling in it. He should have bought the damn house for her and their kids out right.
There are several celebrity ‘wealth’ websites on the net, and most of them say she’s worth approx $160 million, he’s worth $240 mill.
The drive by media and some of his fans can spin it all they want but the truth will always come out.
William Cullen Bryant: “Truth crushed to earth shall rise again.”
I have some legit questions for the attorneys. How in the world is there no child support order on record after 18 mos? I have worked in family law for ever and that is ALWAYS ALWAYS sorted out FIRST. It makes ok sense to grant a loan before settlement, but it should not include interest. That’s BS. This attorney is in San Francisco, why? A party not ordered to pay child support should pluck a number out of the sky for child support? Does Angelina spend $24k per month per child? Because $1.3 million comes out to $12K+ a month per child. Which could be low for them, I don’t know. It seems like Angelina did herself no service by being married to a cheapskate for two years. She will get very little spousal support. Why did she tolerate all of that for so long. Makes no sense but because she did it seems she’s left herself financially up a creek. She’s a full time mom with a very expensive lifestyle. If I were her I’d let him have joint custody and still collect a high number child support. She needs a break and he needs to take some fackin responsibility!
Agree. Brad should be made to shoulder his responsibilities and be physically present with the children. But maybe he is bad at it. It could be that all these years Angelina was the only one being a responsible parent and may be she is the only one with a rapport with the children and the kids prefer to be with her than with their dad.
Not an attorney but a People mag article published after this one says higher income people usually prefer not to involve the courts in child support agreements. The article explains why and notes some other reasons this split is unusual.
I agree. And I can tell you why. Rich peoples have a habit of having more money than the IRS would know about. Also there are business considerations: rich peoples investments can be tracked and evaluated when the courts get involved in the financial aspects of a divorce. And then business competitors of these rich peoples use these information for their own benefit.
Something tells me we aren’t hearing even a quarter of the story.
Isn’t Jolie an independently wealthy woman? She adopted 3 of these children on her own. Why would she even need a loan, let alone from Pitt? Also, it could have been her decision to leave the house. It was mine when I split from my former spouse. Too many bad memories.
Not defending Pitt at all…just saying that some things don’t add up. I just don’t see the whole ‘mightly lioness protecting her cubs” with Jolie. I could be wrong, and I hope for the kids’ sakes, I am.
I also don’t see ANYTHING dad-like in Pitt.
Why wouldn’t she get a loan from him to get a house for their kids near his own, following a familial crisis that he is responsible of. Yes it was probably her decision to leave the house but what kind of pressure did he put regarding the belongings and access to it post-rupture we don’t know. Jolie not a lioness for her cubs? I think even her detractors wouldn’t doubt a second that she is.
She has plenty of detractors. Just go over to DListed where she is called all kinds of horrible names. Their hatred for her is concerning and anyone who even tries to say a word in her defence is bullied and insulted. While I don’t think Angie is a Saint or Pitt the Golden Boy, I hope that they both can work out this divorce amicably for the sake of their kids, otherwise it’s not going to look good for either of them. Granted, Pitt, as the good looking white guy, will always get more of a pass than Jolie with her history of drug addiction and wild behaviour.
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@Just my opinion She had to leave the house. When the Child services investigation was taking place, she & the children were to have no contact with the person being investigated, otherwise she herself would be an issue & risk the children being removed from her care also. I remember she rented an AirBnB for months.
That’s what I was thinking – that she had to have the kids away from Brad during the investigation. However, couldn’t Brad have volunteered to be the one to leave? If he caused the problem then shouldn’t he have been the one to leave? It sounds like he was thinking of himself first and not his children.
I’m glad Angelina Jolie found this new attorney who defends her well. Brad’s team has been awful towards her these last few months. I hope if she doesn’t have a good publicist yet she gets one.
And the child services didn’t find anything which is why Brad wasn’t charged with anything. The temporary visiting and therapy agreements were voluntary on his part.
Then the judge reminded Jolie that she shouldn’t block Brad’s access to his own children.
Now Jolie starts to open up about finances and finally made the accusations public “abusive drunk”. Why do child services don’t act when one parent is an abusive drunk?
All the therapy is court ordered. It was absolutely not voluntary on his part. Plus, admitting your children need therapy because of your actions is not good for the golden boy image. I’d bet large that if he had a choice, he’d drop all mention of it completely.
She adopted them by herself because it was more practical as with Pax and Zahara she was with Brad, but not married. They adopted them , he was along for the ride and gave them his name when they were in the USA, same with Maddox, he adopted him alright.
I am not team pitt or team jolie i’m team child army..I feel like they need some normalcy in their life especially now that this divorce seems to be getting dark.. None of us really know whats really happening.. Maybe brad is an asshole but then again maybe angelina is
+10000
Toxic masculinity ruins the party again.
I wonder if Angie’s loan payments plus the interest cancel out the $55,000 per month from Brad to pay other expenses? This whole ordeal is insanely expensive. Not only will the divorce outllast the marriage, but the legal bills could cost more than the wedding.
And yet, after two years of single parenting, tabloid demonization, financial pressure and being bullied about working overseas she isn’t demanding spousal support. She isn’t spilling the beans on life with Brad.
Right now she can still earn millions as an actress. What if Brad continues to try to sabotage her every time she takes a new role? What if he destroys her Hollywood career?
What loan payments? And she is demanding spousal support now, when previously declining it.
@Josie Angelina is not demanding spousal support. He owes her Child support.
I haven’t seen that she’s requesting spousal support anywhere, though she should get it because he was the primary breadwinner when they were together. She should at least get a lump sum or settlement of some kind.
I’m guessing that the loan and his child support are linked in some way, reduced payments for her or something like that. There’s no reason for her to not just get financing at a bank unless there is some benefit to getting the loan from him for the both of them.
Team Jolie all the way. It’s expensive feeding, housing, educating and transporting six kids. Pay up deadbeat Brad.
I don’t think we are getting the whole story here from either side. Brad could have given Angelina this loan with the intention/agreement to forgive the debt eventually but present it as a loan for tax purposes.
That being ssaid, 1.5 million or whatever in child support over TWO years for SIX kids from a MULTI Millioniare like Brad actually isn’t that much money.
She is so out for blood and I’m still convinced she went so scorched earth because Brad cheated on her and she found out.
You’ve been saying he cheated an she found out. Don’t you think the one he cheated with would jump right in and tell. Yes
Three of them are undeniably his kids. But what about the others? Has he adopted them or are they legally Jolie’s kids?
That being said I guess he doesn’t want to set a precedent by paying certain sums before the matter is settled in court.
He is legally a father to all of the children.
Brad could have/should have volunteered to leave as soon as everything went down. He could have returned a few months later once another home was set up with the kids things. The kids come first. This makes me sick. What a father he is!
People keep defending Brad saying that it’s his house but in that stupid interview he said he slept on a friend’s floor/couch after the plane incident. He didn’t even go home. So why can’t the kids stay there? That’s so petty! Those are his kids!
I wonder what Brads market value is these days. Formerly famous (now infamous), aging old man with financial strains. The child support and legal fees for the divorce etc, etc. could be really expensive. And same goes for Angelina; six(!) children, trauma baggage, expensiv nomadic lifstyle that perhaps isn’t going to last due to financial reasons. They can’t pool their resources anymore as a couple and the divorce will cost a lot.
I might be in minority (correct me if i’m wrong) but were they really attracted to each other? They seemed (to me) so different, personalitywise. Boring, stupid Brad and highly unstable, nomadic white saviour Angelina. They married only because of the children’s request. Everything is so weird…
That’s the problem so many people have with this situation. Everyone thought she was unstable but she’s not the one who lost custody and needs supervised visitation.
i don’t read anywhere that anyone asked for the house’s contents or the children’s belongins, or the use of the home; I don’t see that any offers were made or refused. I think we’re jumping the gun on guesses here.