The Sussexit has been mostly finalized and the terms are… agreeable, but it’s not a 100% win or a 100% loss for the Sussexes or the Windsors. With all of the deal-making on titles, HRHs, money, security and more, I find it interesting that certain subjects were NOT included in the announced deal. Here’s something we could game out: what happens if and when Meghan gets pregnant with Sussex Baby #2? What happens when Meghan and Harry welcome Sussex Baby #2… in Canada? He or she will be a little maple baby, of course, and I can already predict the hand-wringing and pearl-clutching about how the child IS NOT BRITISH and shouldn’t be part of the line of succession, whatever. Add those theories to this: not only is the British press hellbent on otherizing Meghan constantly (as they’ve been doing for three years), but now Archie is being otherized too. He can’t just be a healthy little British chunkster who is living abroad with his parents. No, a narrative is going to pushed: Archie isn’t “British enough,” he isn’t associated enough with his British (royal) family. This story is the starting point for that:
The Queen is believed to be ‘very sad’ she has barely seen baby Archie as she comes to terms with Harry and Meghan’s future plans as ‘non-senior Royals’. With the Sussexes’ plans to step out of the spotlight stretching back months, their eight-month-old son has had little opportunity to see his extended family.
The Queen, Prince Charles, Prince William and his children Prince George, Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis are only believed to have met baby Sussex a handful of times. His great-grandmother and the Duke of Edinburgh met him at just two-days-old at Windsor Castle, but could not attend his christening two months later because it clashed with a private weekend they hold at Sandringham every year.
A source told The Sunday Times: ‘She will be very sad to have barely seen Archie and that he will miss out on growing up with his cousins and wider family.’
Archie was photographed in Meghan’s arms at a polo match also attended by William, Kate and their children in Berkshire in July. But they have not been seen as a group since then with Harry, 35, and Meghan, 38, jetting off to Canada in November for their six-week Christmas holiday. The eight-month-old has not visited the UK so far this year and is currently with his mother and his nanny in Canada. Prince Charles is reported to be very keen on his moniker of ‘Grandpa Wales’ and often spends family time with William, Kate, George, Charlotte and Louis.
LOL @ “Prince Charles is reported to be very keen on his moniker of ‘Grandpa Wales’ and often spends family time with William, Kate, George, Charlotte and Louis.” Charles truly had to publicly badger and shame William into allowing him (Charles) to see his grandchildren every once in a while several years back, pre-Sussex. Now the storyline is that the Cambridges are the dutiful parents who allow Grandpa Charles to spend tons of time with his grandkids? Puh-lease. Anyway, this is just a reminder to the Queen, to Charles and to anybody else: Harry and Meghan would have loved for Archie to spend more time with the family, but everyone in the family made Meghan’s life hell during her pregnancy, then smeared the f–k out of her after she gave birth. Oh, and no one in the family even seemed all that eager to spend time with Archie when the Sussexes were living in England anyway.
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Lol. She couldn’t be bothered to see him while he was nearby. She doesn’t get to cry about it now.
Truth. Also, has there ever been any indication she’s even once been arsed to see her grandchildren, let alone great-grandchildren? That universe revolves entirely around her, if she actually wanted to spend time with toddlers all she need do is beckon. The fact is Andrew was and is the only “child” she’s ever shown enough affection to that others noticed.
Right?!?! They lived on the grounds of Windsor Castle, where she spends a lot of time. She wasn’t popping over for tea then…
Actually I remember reading stories suggesting she was calling in on them and they were calling in on her too.
I also think it’s reaching to suggest that people or the press will be upset about their second baby being born in Canada. It’s a commonwealth country, so I might be wrong but I can’t see it being a big deal, no matter how much the press want to twist things.
@ Nahema, and they still have Frogmore Cottage so they could potentially be in England at that time if she gives birth to a second child.
This sort of fairytale the family are all spinning now is rightly unbelievable. Does no one in that family have a phone, a car, access to What’s APP or whatever. I mean they are spinning this like Frogmore Cottage is to all their homes as London is to the furthest point in Antarctica: Unreachable in their day-to-day lives. I still remember Meghan saying to Tom Bradby: …”thanks for asking not many have.” Maybe the family is saying they didn’t get much time with Archie because they’d of had to also spend time with Archie’s mother!
For a family where not one single one of them could say or do anything for over two years to show their support — their love and support and pain of loss is all over the news now. Funny how chatty they’ve all become over how much they have loved and tried to be their for them. This is all PR to make this Meghan’s fault. I thought they, “Never Commented.”
I think one if the stories was that the queen saw Archie all the time when H&M lived in their Windsor cottage. It’s probably on here.
Yes Wilma after the ITV documentary came out the Express has this story about the Queen seeing the Sussexes all the time for tea because they live in Windsor. Was funny as the same reporter had a few days earlier tweeted that nobody in the family was supporting the Sussexes, the family had distanced themselves, William had dropped Harry like a ton of bricks etc following the announcement of the lawsuits so was interesting seeing him trying to justify the article in light of his tweets.
She doesn’t seem like the warmest mother or grandmother. I know she became queen at a very young age, etc. etc., but I think it’s just her personality.
Oh, poor Queen Elizabeth. What a pity.
Well, she can make up for it by spending extra time with her favorite boy, Prince Pedo Andy.
Oh, wait. She’s already doing that.
See? Problem solved!
Dark comment to match the darkness of the royal family’s souls. Bravo.
Mmm no, that is not true. If she loved them she would have protected them. They had to leave because she did nothing.
Everything that happened to Meghan was a big neon sign that they didn’t care about Archie. Archie is better off without them.
agreed. you don’t get to treat a child’s mother like that and still expect access to the child. they made their choice, and it wasn’t to support meghan as a pregnant woman or new mom.
If she stepped down, she’d have plenty of time for her great grandkids. Not going to happen, though.
This is me being mean but nothing in her behavior really indicated she valued Archie at all.
I don’t think that’s mean, i completely agree. That family makes public statements and legal threats about all sorts of minor things, but when it came to her great-grandchild being mocked in the press and depicted as a monkey, she and the rest of that family were completely “mum” on the matter.
Not mean at all. Just observant. She could have done SO much more.
no lies detected.
It takes a lot for me to side eye these stories.
Eye roll, absolutely.
Eye roll to the point that all you see is the white of my eyes and even I am not sure that they will come back down, for 2 years now.
Now I am at side eye, to the point that I am squinting to hard it looks like my eyes are permanently closed.
No no no!!! They can’t be seen playing with a brown baby, red hair or not! /s
The child is not brown, he’s whiter than Pippa Middleton
LMAO
Umm, ok, her shooting weekend was more important to her than attending his christening, but we are supposed to believe she is sad about not seeing him more? I can’t believe that she didn’t have ample opportunity to visit when he spent his first six months literally living on her property a half mile from her house. Surely she could have gotten on one of her many horses and ridden over there in just a few minutes time.
Actually she was at Holyrood in Scotland and it was an annual event on her calendar she couldn’t change. I think it was Louis’ christening she didn’t attend because of a horse race or something much more minor.
just goes to show how little she cares about them in general…
Whose fault is it, since Meghan, Harry, and Archie have been in England non stop until the SA tour, that these folks haven’t seen Archie more? At that polo match Kate nor William have any pictures showing them interacting with Meghan, like others did, when she was holding Archie.
This is typical British media BS to rile up the public when the royal “fam” just didn’t give a damn to see Archie when he was in country.
I remember that. No photos of Kate cooing over Archie, or holding him, or anything.
She was completely ignoring them. You’d think Kate the broody baby lover would have wanted to hold him.
Yes. And it was just reported in the last 2 weeks that William and Harry had a huge fight on the polo grounds right before the match. Whomever gave this to the press said it was William screaming at Harry about some behavior of Harrys towards William’s staff. Harry supposedly yelled back and away they went. (I guess Harry and Meghan both just have issues with communicating with the Cambridge’s staff to the point that William and Kate have had to chastise them for it. 😂😂😂).
If she wanted to see baby Archie, she would send one of her bumbling courtiers to make the request. Oh wait, the courtiers probably screwed that up too so yeah, she’s not gonna see him….
What about all the reports we were getting that when she was at Windsor she dropped by Frogmore Cottage often and they dropped by Windsor Castle?
Sure.
Yeah, this is just the Fail spinning not terribly imaginative tales to vilify the Sussexes. Oh noes! Those meanies are taking Gan Gan’s 500th grand/great grandchild away from her. Surely she is weeping inconsolably to her corgis and stress eating chocolate biscuits.
I am sure that doria was that to see the queen’s family and the British media and British public treating her daughter like a paedophile.
I am sure that Meghan’s mom wants to see her grandson too.
The queen don’t care.
She did nothing to stop that.
It’s truly frustrating how the tabloid press love to conveniently forget Archie has another grandma, and whole other side of family that probably want to spend time with him and watch him grow up as well.
doria isn’t even another grandmother, she is his ONLY (living) grandmother. the queen is his great-grandmother. the queen already had her turn being a grandma multiple times over and a great-grandma multiple times over. doria has one child and now one grandchild. she deserves a chance to be close to archie.
@Olive
Ah you’re right I often forget to include the “great-“ in there.
That is one cute baby.
How often do we think she seens any of her great-grandkids? I don’t get the feeling that Will and Kate are popping over to Windsor or BP all the time with the kids in tow.
Exactly. Another ridiculous story from the Fail, per their MO.
But but but George and Lizzy just made Christmas pudding together remember lol?
IF she cared so much, she might have had something to say when a racist called Archie a monkey. The Queen has the company she prefers; she won’t miss Archie.
I have no doubt that the Queen saw Archie whenever she wanted to. This is just another attempt to condemn the Sussex family. Why am I not surprised that the haters would drag a baby into it?
Where are all the folks who howled ‘keep the kids out’ when someone mentioned George the other day? Hello? Bueller?????
OMG she can Skype, FaceTime, or Use Gotomeeting…she is sad in that vaway someone feels sad when a toy they never used is donated to charity. I am Sure Andrew will be a “rock” for her. This sniping is so gross I have lost all respect for this woman.
My daughter lives in another state so when and if she has kids, I will probably only see them once or twice per year. It happens, I’m not going to guilt her into sticking around me just so I can see the kids. And Archie is not flying off to the moon. These people are rich, they can fly over to the UK at anytime. Finally, if even her own children need to make an appointment to see her so I find it hard to believe she is so “keen” to see her great grandson.
I wonder if they’ll do a big 1st bday for Archie or just keep it small. I’m guessing it will be low-key though.
America got Meghan, Harry and Archie out of the deal….winning!!!
Actually Canada got them – they’re currently living in my town of Victoria on Vancouver Island, British Columbia.
Too bad she wasn’t “very sad” when he was called a monkey.
“no one in the family even seemed all that eager to spend time with Archie when the Sussexes were living in England anyway.”
THIS! When he grow up, Archie will be so grateful to his parents to walk away from that toxic family.
Archie has Doria….his Grandmother. I wish people would leave Lizzie be. She’s 93 and I doubt seriously she gives a fig about Archie. She has to deal with her 60 something year old Pedophile son that needs his Mommy
if you like it, then you shoulda put a title on it 🎶
She will have plenty of time to spend with Andrew, though.
has the queen seemed “very sad”? how can one tell when she always has the facial expression of someone who stepped on a banana slug?
Oh Liz I’m wringing my hands and sobbing. Not. I’ve mentioned my family left England in 1632, (Great Migration), and no mention of returns. Pleased to know my history but feel no attachment to the UK. Archie is a child of North America. New baby will be Canadian/UK or American/UK.
Note to Liz, I had a refrigerator magnet when my boys were growing up which said, “Don’t complain where the ball lands if you dropped the ball.”
Maybe she should have treated Archie’s mother better and she would have more access to Archie. Shame on her
Oh please. Old girl doesn’t see any of those kids with any regularity, not even when they are in her backyard.
Next story, please
It’s so funny how the story changes. Last year, around the time that the Sussexes were gearing up to go to Canada for their holiday, wasn’t there a story about how the Queen visited them all the time since they all lived in Windsor? Someone please help me, because I know I’m not making this up.
And…AND…just before the new year, weren’t there stories about how Kate and the kids were anxious to see their little cousin Archie again and how much the kids missed Archie?
So, when the narrative fit, when the Sussexes were just in Canada for the holiday, it was how much everyone missed Archie and it was so sad the Sussexes weren’t around for the holidays because they got used to being around each other.
Now, it’s that they never saw Archie and it’s terrible that he’s moved away because now they never will.
The whiplash.
Her Doting Great Nananess was looking forward to ordering the servants to give Baby Archie’s toys to his cousins of higher rank and to remind him of his lack of inherent value to the Firm in the absence of numerous deaths in his immediate family.
Yeah, that whole “27 people have to die before you matter” thing just really warms the heart, doesn’t it?
I wonder how long the racist British media are going to carry on with the BS? They drove out the black woman from the royal family. You would think they would be happy.
The British media isn’t finished extracting their “pound of flesh “ yet from the Sussexes for their perceived defiance.
Neither are the senior royals.
That is so true. There are so many comments on Twitter about the pap photos of Meghan walking with the baby and pups. People were still raging that she’s doing everything she can to remain in the spotlight, and that they don’t have any right to expect privacy, and that they just need to grow thicker skin. Right…they left England because of the intrusiveness and racism filling the tabloid press, the same press and paparazzi have followed them to Canada and are stalking them – taking long lens photos from trees while she’s on a hike – but they are the ones that should grow thicker skin. They are not going to give this couple a minute’s peace, just like they didn’t stay away from his mother. I swear, the British press has lost its collective mind.
The racist British media have followed Meghan and Harry to Vancouver Island. I hope the RCMP kick them out.
Yup. She’s sooo sad about not seeing Archie. A baby that she only bothered to visit once when his parents lived ON HER ESTATE.
I’ve seen people on Twitter concern trolling how sad it is Archie won’t grow up close to his extended family and it’s like, that extended family has been more drama than support so I think it’s just fine if he grows up close to people who actually make his mom feel welcome. Kids pick up on that stuff.
Reading the other story about jealous William, I was thinking about how it’s going to be so much better for Archie growing up away from them. It’s a shame, and hopefully the cousins will connect as they’re older, but growing up in that environment, with all the jealousy and backstabbing and all, would be awful.
The term is “othered”.
Why do they even care? Weren’t the Sussexes dropped like hot bricks months ago? No one saw them when they were right down the road in Windsor and no one seemed to mind at all. Now it’s a thing? Major eye roll. They have this amazing technology from the future called FaceTime and Skype. Our kids have grandparents in 3 different countries yet they still see them that way. Plus there are these big carbon burning birds called airplanes. I mean, all of a sudden these vile people care about Meghan, Harry, and Archie. I won’t be surprised if we don’t see them again until Invictus games. I hope Archie has a total Canadian accent, speaks fluent French as well, and plays hockey. Hard for the press to control their obnoxious narratives from 6000 miles away.
^^^This, times 1000.^^^
Oh please. She never saw her own children. She used to travel the world by ship, leaving them at home for the couple of months she was away.
I honestly think that she cares more about horses and dogs than she cares about people.
I think the same thing about Anne.
I’m actually kind of sad for them. They certainly have a large enough family around them, but both sides are toxic and terrible. Thank god for Doria, but I wonder if the holidays and certain occasions (birthdays etc) make them a little bit sad they don’t have a more extended family to share with?
I’m sure in the years to come they’ll grow their family and probably have friends with deeper ties to them than their toxic biological family.
My grandparents (great grandparents were deceased before i was born) lived in another country my whole life. And though there were technological and financial limitations that are not in place in this period or with this family we still managed to have a special bond, that i will always remember. So if she really cares, she can still have a great, if limited contact with Archie.
I am sad for Harry and Meghan that they have such severely limited support from their biological family. Yet, as an immigrant myself, i can attest to the fact that the new family we build in the new country with friends, can be just as special. We choose the support system we can lean on and share the good times with. Both of them have made a daring move, that will bring them the joy and connection that, with exceptions, they were not able to find in their motherland. Meghan has lived there before and already has a network, she will be more than fine. Harry is now embracing a new life going into the deeply unknown. As much as we can point to his privilege, it is fascinating to see him veer off the path ordained to him and become an independent and fully realized man. It is inspirational to watch these developments unfold. If either of them are reading this (and they do seem to read a lot of what is published of them), i hope they take heart from the outpouring of support, and not just the nasty comments, though we all know it’s the nasty comments that can stick in our mind the most.
I think going from extremely coddled and favoured royal, with access to private travel, and the best of food, homes and clothing, to sleeping on a cot in a tent with 3 other soldiers would also be embracing the unknown.
The UK is tiny and it wouldn’t have been at all hard for these people to take a day trip to see Archie if they wanted to. They just didn’t want to, a shame because he is such a cute baby.
I’ve never, not once, believed the doting grandma lie.
I caught one of those Windsor-obsessed TV specials about QE’s coronation awhile back. The host was showing video from that day, Elizabeth was reminiscing about different things.
It had evidently been a very long and tedious affair, and some of the girls attending Elizabeth that day got a little punchy. Something to do with her train, maybe…some giggling and whatnot. Can’t remember exactly what, except that it was harmless.
Elizabeth veddy, veddy much disapproved, **glared** at the monitor playing the footage and said something along the line of “they’re not supposed to be doing that.” Every word dipped in steel. I think the host might’ve peed a little, sitting there.
And then there was a kinda cool bit with that big-a** crown where Elizabeth had to ask permission to touch it.
But yeah. She’s not human and you’ll never convince me otherwise.
If the matriarch/patriarch of a family condones pedophilia by way of ignoring it, a smart parent will peace ✌️ the f- out. The Queen is the architect of this entire situation & could’ve done so much to assist H & M whilst she was being harangued during pregnancy; could’ve ordered consequences to her fave parasite Andrew, but made conscious decisions otherwise.
I’d take my precious child & ease on down the road, too. Actually have done so when faced with something quite similar. Obviously the Queen cannot be trusted to choose in a minors’ best interest.
Funny- she didn’t care enough to make a statement when Archie was compared to a chimpanzee. I still find it unfathomable that she didn’t make a statement to the press when that happened. It was utterly unacceptable and the Royal Family just stood by and did nothing. No one made a peep! Imagine how different things would be now if she had made a statement about racism not being a British value.
I don’t get this. Everybody’s families end up separate and see each other less and less as we expand and grow. My mom (92) can’t see her great grans unless they live close by. She went out of her way with her grand-kids. They came over every Christmas and summer because my parents flew them in. Grandparents see grandchildren. Greats, not so much. This is the way families that don’t live near each other work. Only the QUEEN gets to dictate the conditions of her family. Every other family in the world creates their own ways of doing things. (Can you imagine 5 changes of clothes on Christmas? I would opt out of that too.)
Have none of these people heard of Skype?
I don’t understand not spending as much time as possible with your kids and grandkids. I’m glad I’m just a regular person. It must suck to be in that kind of family.
Regular people have families like this too.
The only reasons these statements are coming out like this is becuase they know they are sharing the blame for Sussexdos along with the British press in the eyes of the world. They are trying to use the 1936 playbook for Edward and Wallis; the problem is the Duke and Duchess of Windsor were palling around with Hitler and that made it easy to bounce them. The Sussexes are not hanging out with crooks (and Andy did).
None of them hardly saw him when he lived literally next door to them AND she didn’t even have his photo on the piano for Christmas FFS.
Every time a new manipulation tactic pops up it triggers me. It’s the same play by play in every toxic family. They are utterly unoriginal.
They literally lived on the grounds and the queen HAD to have her weekend party instead of attending the christening And did nothing about him being called a monkey In the press but she has plenty of time for Rapey Andy
That last line, about the family not wanting to see Archie much while they were there tugged at my heart. This is a real family and they have been through hell. Little Archie is an innocent and he, his mom, and Harry were treated like scum. It’s mind boggling and my goodness do I have so much respect for Harry. I did before, but…my goodness he did what he needed to do to protect his family. Excuse me while I go cry and watch the Lifetime Harry and Meghan movies.
Cry me a river full of crocodile tears, Liz.😭
If the senior royals in the family cannot speak out when one of their family members at birth is called an ape, then for the sake of Archie’s well being he should not be around these people. Since the tabs are hating on the parents, imagine what they would say about the baby next to Kate and Will’s kids. The British royal family has spoken and so has the majority of the British public-We don’t want any inks spots messing up our family lines or pictures.
This is going to get lost in the comments, I’m sure, but concerning a second child born in Canada – Princess Margriet of the Netherlands was actually born in Canada during World War II since their family came to Ottawa to stay safe during the war. On the day that she was born, the Canadian government temporarily declared the maternity ward extraterritorial. This way, she could technically have Dutch citizenship only.
Obviously, this was a very unique situation, but it would be interesting if this were to be repeated.
If I were Harry and Meghan, I’d be quoting the immortal words of Regina George at the British press right about now: “Why are you so obsessed with me?!” Especially Meghan.
The press won’t leave them alone, but I think Harry and Meghan likely knew that. I was actually opposed to them walking away from the royal family because I knew that the press scrutiny would not ease up if they chose to do that. However, I do think that there’s an extraordinary benefit to them doing it anyway, which is that they’re free to handle the press however they see fit now, without being hemmed in by the rules of the handlers at BP. Plus they’ve removed themselves from an environment where certain elements in the family were definitely leaking stories to the press with the intention of making H&M look bad.