I’ve said this in several posts already, but I still find it remarkable to note that Finding Freedom really didn’t have many references to the Duchess of Cambridge. Kate was barely around Prince Harry and Meghan’s courtship and engagement, and then when the Sussexes married, Kate’s distance seems more resentful than anything else. As always with British peeps, you really have to read between the lines. Thankfully, Omid Scobie has been filling in some of the blanks in interviews, like when he spoke about how Meghan’s presence basically highlighted how “incredibly old-fashioned” Kate is. The book also made note of how little the two women had in common because Kate “was never interested in having a career.” Well, on Omid’s The Heirpod podcast, he went a bit further:
Speaking on The Heirpod podcast,Omid Scobie claimed the Duchess of Sussex, 39, and the Duchess of Cambridge, 38, were ‘never at war’ – but their relationship lacked any ‘depth’. He said that while the pair both enjoyed fashion and tennis – having even appeared together at Wimbledon – it didn’t lead to a long-lasting friendship.
‘They were never at war and never the duelling duchesses. They were just two women who had this very surface level friendship,’ he said on his podcast. ‘They were able to connect and bond to trips to Wimbledon – we saw them there a couple of times. But certainly where more depth was required or perhaps a stronger shoulder of support from the Duchess of Cambridge’s side, we saw that that didn’t happen, over and over again. And it was one of the things that really left Meghan a bit disappointed in that friendship… as there were times that she really would’ve appreciated that extra support internally.’
The author suggested that the Duchess of Cambridge might’ve been too busy to help the Duchess of Sussex.
‘People have asked why Kate may have not been there in that situation and I really don’t know but it’s clear at the time her priorities weren’t there. We do see her as an incredibly dedicated wife, mother and member of the Royal family and maybe that’s a lot for one person to juggle.’
The lack of a close relationship between the two mothers is also suggested to have been a result of the ‘fractured’ bond between Harry and William, 39. ‘The fractures that exited with Harry and William almost prevented the two women from having that close bond,’ Omid added.
I’ve been reading too much British tabloid journalism, because I seriously chuckled and thought “wow, I can’t believe he’s being THAT SHADY!” This is like “works as hard as a Top CEO” kind of shady. “…Certainly where more depth was required…from the Duchess of Cambridge’s side, we saw that that didn’t happen…” Kate is not deep. She has no depth. As for why Kate wasn’t there for Meghan, “I really don’t know but it’s clear at the time her priorities weren’t there. We do see her as an incredibly dedicated wife, mother and member of the Royal family and maybe that’s a lot for one person to juggle.” OMG. Perhaps this is a direct mockery of Katie Nicholl and Emily Andrews screaming about how Top CEO Kate was “too busy” to ever help Meghan or be nice to Meghan. Which begged the question, WTF was Kate doing again? Scobie is right – if Kate wanted to prioritize a good working relationship with her sister-in-law, she would have done it, like she prioritizes shopping and buttons and hair appointments.
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“We do see her as an incredibly dedicated wife, mother and member of the Royal family and maybe that’s a lot for one person to juggle.’
Omid IS shading here. Lol! Love it! I mean, he already said Kate is old fashioned. Now he is adding that Kate is incapable of wearing many hats, the essence of modern woman, and that she could not offer a more in-depth friendship because all that it is is tennis and fashion for her.
Omid is basically saying that Kate, by her own choice, is nothing more than a woman who lanches, incapable, uninterested and uninteresting.
Lol!
I wonder if there’s anything to the “we do SEE her as…” As in, we are *interpreting* her to be such, she *appears* to be such, she *looks like* a dedicated wife, mother, and member of the RF, but maybe she’s not really? It’s all a facade? Their PR works very hard to make us *see* a busy, dedicated, wife, mother, RF member, but in reality she’s….. something else? Why else would you word it like that, with that amount of distancing language?
It could also be something legal has said to Omid in order to avoid lawsuits. If KP does try to accuse him of libel he can go “Well it’s just my opinion and it’s how I *see* her. I have not claimed this to be the truth.” Or something. Okay maybe not libel but again, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a legal aspect to it. I’m not a lawyer so maybe I’m just talking gibberish.
@Amy Too I am on board with the feeling Omid knows a lot and is not saying for legal reasons and the things we know and were not discussed in the book- rose bushes for instance- have only to do with the Cambridges. Omid had no problem pointing finger at the Yorks for leaking the relationship and is careful at keeping Charles and TQ out of the mess, this leaves Kate and William, and, well, since William is the blood royal and prone to sue…yep, Omid is saying what he can the way he can.
Hee hee this is exactly how I shade my sister-in-law…. in 22 years I don’t think she’s ever asked anything about myself and she may not even know what I do for a living. But honestly I think this is more normal than not in my experience. You can’t really do anything if you don’t like your sister-in-law so you don’t engage so you avoid any issues…
I assume you don’t plant stories about your sister in law in tabloid media, which is the main difference here.
Molly, do you, your SIL, and your spouses all work for the same Family Firm and are not just in-laws but co-workers?
What does Omid Scobie know about being a mother?
While it is commendable that Kate wants to be a hands on mother, never forget that she has the services of a nanny when it gets to be too much or when she wants to go to Wimbledon with Pippa – who also married well and has access to a nanny.
Kate also has much downtime. She has low work numbers and leisure time. She does not spend 24/7 with those children. she has lots of help and staff. Kate also leaves the children with her mother from time to time.
They lived next door to each other until early 2019 and so Kate had time to take ten minutes to check in once a week. Please fuck off with pretending that Kate is so busy being a mother that she couldn’t do that. She certainly has time to keep up on dying her hair without any grey roots showing and her botox.
Omid reveals much more in interviews than in the book. I have been trying to watch them. His podcast has questions he answers on the book. It’s interesting. He said there is more of a story there that he hopes down the road someone tells. He said this book wasn’t it. He didn’t want to expose anyone.
Also, I hate that they are saying Kate is a mom, wife and RF member and that’s why she never reached out. So was Meghan. She was a NEW wife, mom and RF member so that makes Kate look so much worse. Kate can’t even say Meghan’s name in public. Kate’s thing is early years and the mental health of pregnant moms. She is truly awful.
I do wonder if he’ll choose to release another book down the line or if someone else will reach his research to do so.
I can see the logic in holding back if he’s concerned about legal. Or perhaps it’s all still raw & fresh so a brutally honest account might just fuel the misogynoir against Meghan.
I might give his podcast a go. I decided not to read the book because it felt like too much was left unsaid.
@ Ginger, how can Her Laziness be a mother with four nannies and a house full of staff! Her Laziness will only do the bare minimum, nothing more. Like they said, she is clearly more invested in shopping than staying home with her children. You never see her out shopping with 3 kids in tow like every other mother on the planet that has much less money and cucumstance!
I mean sure, one can choose to see shade here. Or, possibly, they are just two women who have nothing in common and whose husbands were behaving like manbabies. I wouldn’t know how to build a friendship or support on that foundation. But I guess Kate is always at fault.
Well said. Many women are friendly sisters in law, but that’s doesn’t mean you’re really ‘friends’.
Thank God MM has left the RF and never has to wear that terrible pillbox hat outfit again. She looks 3 decades younger since reaching the US.
I hope she burned the hat
I’m really confused why Omid is going after Kate specifically. All things considered, Kate is a mom with three young children and a husband who is probably cheating on her – not to mention before Meghan came around she had spent 15 years as the British tabs chew toy and we don’t know what that did to her own mental health. I’m not going to blame her if Meghan wasn’t a “top” priority. There’s a whole host of grown ass royals in line ahead of her who could have helped (the Queen, Charles, Will, etc…)
I mean, I can see that and I have been making the same questions but, is very simple:
1) Kate is married in and, traditionally the press goes after the married in first, then the blood royals. Bonus points if it is a woman. ( this is for why on the press attacking her=
2) Kate is the kind of woman who benefits from the status quo, does not work in sisterhood nor seems to recognize the fight to women´s equality. She has more in common with the evangelical, white cys woman of America who actually opposes pro choice, who thinks the man is the head of the house and who thinks woman of colour are scary than a normal, moderate, intelligent woman. ( this explains why many women do not care much for her.)
She is no way a victim the same way Melania is not,
Err..she literally lied and said meghan made her cry! The people present at the fitting denied it ever happened. She allowed the media to drag that one out and sat back and watched as the press tore meghan apart. All the while kate kept changing the story.
She pulled the flybe stunt, and let’s not forget CW. She is not innocent in all of this. Not even a little bit.
The truth about her will come out one day, just wait.
Oh and I forgot to mention that podcast she did where she said something passive aggressive about the whole presenting the baby blah blah and tradition after meghan had been dragged for not wanting to do it.
Kate is fake. And meghan was and is a mother too. You would think as a fellow mother kate would have some empathy. And kate was never dragged by the media, another lie. They were mild towards her and barely criticised her for anything.
Omid might just be answering questions as truthfully as he can when he is asked about the two women. From his sources, Kate did not make any real effort to get to know Meghan. There is nothing wrong with that, but everything we do or do not do is basically a sign of our character. Harry was praised when he made her feel welcomed and part of the family. In public, he treated her as a beloved sister. We have seen pictures of her breaking out into laughter, looking at him affectionately and paying him so much attention at events. Yet, for some mysterious reason, she could not return the courtesy to the woman Harry fell in love with. That’s telling on her character.
@Myra — thank you for reminding people of that! Harry made the effort at least publicly to make her comfortable; I assume W&L returning the favor was too much to ask for some.
This woman benefited the most from M being; M did highlight her mediocrity, unfortunately for her, as long as M is around, she will not been seen professionally favorably compared to her; everything M does, just highlight how bad she has been! what I learnt since following all of this is that, people don’t care about the RF work; they are all well aware it is just a cover for justifying why they still exist.
This is the same woman who participated willingly in the FlyBe stunt, who behaved like a terrible person at the CW services (or maybe some forgot that). Had M done the same, I am sure she would be crucified!
This is the same woman who let the M made her cry rumor goes on and on while KP defended the baby botox nonsense or hair extension BS
yeah, Omid is going after K…..(rolling my eyes)
@VS I said yesterday that Meghan is the best thing to have happened to this family. They can literally get away with anything so long as Meghan breathes. Kate and Andrew have been the biggest benefactors of the smear campaign.
I have noticed that since April 2020 noone cares about the optics of flights and expensive clothes.
@Myra —- oh yeah, they can finally go back to helicopter, expensive clothes, private jets, etc…. no one gives a damn! no need to stage FlyBe stunts anymore.
To be honest, I don’t care if those women wear expensive clothes, they should given their positions; What I mind is the hypocrisy around all of it and the double standard
Meghan has really exposed the racism that still exists in the RF and among some who support the RF.
Nope. Kate is not a victim and she’s not innocent by any stretch of the imagination. She is as guilty as William and any one else who tormented Meghan for their own gain. She deserves all the criticism and mockery thrown her way.
Kate is no victim she let those rumors about Meghan just stay out there and never denied them. She also participated in the PR stunt with FLybe. She is not a nice person, maybe she and William deserve each other. The “great mother” just stood away from Archie and did not interact with him when both families were on the polo field.
@priscila your second point is spot on. Kate has never given AF about women or women’s issues.She doesn’t have to be a bra burning feminist or anything, but she is a woman in a privileged position who has no interest in the world around her. She will never fight for equality because she has benefited from the oppressive world she inhabits. The only reason her stans like her and hate Meghan is because she is ‘white’ and she has used that to her advantage by playing up to racial stereotypes, especially weaponising her tears by villainizing the angry black woman.
I think on a basic level it speaks to her level of compassion and authenticity. In so many ways she has positioned herself has this virtuous figure who leads with compassion and puts family first but when a single act of kindness like a phone call is required towards someone in your own family you are nowhere to be found. There are a myriad of other issues at play such as jealously, intimidation and all the other issues that come with having the kind of husband and mother she has. Meghan did not need to be a priority but I believe a simple act of kindness… a small show of support from one mother to another would have been enough.
Boho, she has 2 lavish houses 3 nannies and another 3 stay in house staff. She is lazy and perpetually bare minimum with no redeeming qualities as she has brazenly shown us the last 3 years. If single mothers of three on council estates have time and patience so can never work a day in her life kate.
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Omid isn’t going after kate. She was largely not involved in the book.
And kate was groomed for her role. She went in knowing and agreed. William cheated on everyone. She pursued william while he was with others. Let’s not paint her as this naive wife and mother of 3 whose husband cheats.
Kate played the press. She was no chew toy. She had paps for exclusives on call. This isn’t speculation. Angled herself as the poor gf of the cheating prince. And now that she’s deep in the fold she allows, contributes to and benefits from all the vitriol aimed at Megan.
It would have taken 1 act of humanity for kate to speak to the bullying of her sister in law. Or to just not let her personal press office send out hate filled racist articles to her pregnant sil… but that was never going to happen because she wanted this.
She certainly contributes to and exacerbates problems and has demonstrated time and again that she lacks any substance. Further, her behavior reinforces antiquated tropes of women.
Even women whose husbands behave like manbabies can find some common ground if they so choose. It doesn’t appear as though KM did anything beyond the most superficial gestures to bridge gaps. Instead she acted–and continues to act– like the insecure dimwit she is.
So yes, she is fault. No one is laying blame solely at her feet, but acknowledging her part in creating unrest.
@ Zuri, KM is not insecure at all, she is in complete control of LimpWil and the children. Her Laziness is calling the shots since the disastrous affair that Limpy had and she will use that to her advantage at every opportunity and fight, she likely fights dirty and mean. What boils my blood is the fact that Harry went out of his way to engage Her Laziness at every opportunity and every outing since Limpy basically ignores her most or the entire time. She had Harry there as a confidant and a friend who was there for her and he was basically a third wheel as he lived close to them as well. The fact that Her Laziness would not make the slightest bit of effort to welcome Meghan after all that Harry had done for her proves that she is a woman who uses people to her benefit. Once they no longer benefit her, all degrees of appreciation or kindness are gone. She is not a kind person, she is extremely jealous of Meghan and the fact that Meghan called her out on what she is, lazy. Kate will do nothing unless she has to and Meghan, at no fault of her own, brought out the true laziness of Kate which Kate probably took personally, hence the crying hatchet job and other smears on her part. No longer was Kate admires for just existing, she was being shown up and she doesn’t take kindly to anyone who pulls the curtain away to show the truth. Furthermore, that last engagement in which she and Limpy went out of their way to ignore and deny the existence of H&M shows her true colors, and Limpy’s as well.
The rampant public misogynoir and the BRFs lack of compassion toward Meghan is terrifying. I think you can be anti-racist without sharing a deep connection.
Like I’ve definitely chosen to stand up and defend someone when I witness racism being directed towards them. Sometimes the person in question was someone I didn’t like.
I think it’s important to differentiate between the pressure of friendship with in laws and the fact that they are complicit in misogynoir with their silence.
I almost hit a 14yo when she ran across the road right in front of me. It scared me badly and made me quite angry and shaking too. I pulled over, we were in front of the high school and the principal came running towards me. The first seven sentences out of his mouth were, “were they native, was it an indian that did it, what did the indian look like, were they a local native….. He was practically drooling at the thought of nailing this girl. I lied, I said I didn’t see her face. Mad as I was at her, I wasn’t about to unleash this asshole racist on her.
I came so close to killing her. It screwed with my mental health for days.
She absolutely IS at fault for the consistent lack of basic courtesy and politeness on her part. Don’t be mad that she’s being rightfully called out on her poor behavior.
Very well said. M&K don’t need to besties, hang out or anything else. Kate doesn’t necessarily need to go out of her way to Meghan’s friend, but Kate also didn’t have to act like a spoiled mean girl towards Meghan.
Camilla helped Kate when she married William and yet Kate could not help Meghan when she married Harry is my issue. Why not? Kate could have easily told Meghan let’s not discuss what is going on with our husbands at the time, but I want to meet with you at least twice a week to go over being married into the RF and what that entails. The two women could have even met up with Camilla and Sofia to create a “bible” of sorts for the next generation of women that marry into the RF. Sheesh.
It doesn’t seem that Meghan was looking for Princess Etiquette advice but more with regards to non stop media bashing.
Just yesterday we heard that Camilla allegedly gave Meghan advice about riding out the media storm that Meghan didn’t follow. All the posters here sided with the position that Meghan did the right thing by not listening to that advice.
What do you think that Kate would have told Meghan ? More of the same obviously, since she always toes the party line. Meghan would have probably ignored that too and rightly so, there is no need to suffer this silently.
But from Kate’s perspective, i can see why she probably saw that whatever she had to say would probably not be what Meghan wanted to hear.
Sounds like from that Southern Africa documentary that nobody in the family was checking in on Meghan to check she was ok. I don’t doubt that’s true based on so many comments about the family’s coldness.
Not sure Meghan was after press management advice but perhaps general check in you might do for an in law& colleague even if you aren’t tight. The Markle Snr interviews alone were enough to say ‘sorry this is happening let me know if you need anything’ if you are a person with any empathy.
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Meghan is neither friendless nor motherless, would she really be relying on her new in-laws for emotional support with regards to what happened with her dad ? The book even details how she was in the bathtub, phoning a friend to discuss the Thomas Markle situation.
To me, the one thing, that no one else outside of RF could even begin to understand, is the level of press intrusion, the constant negative headlines about avocadoes or whatever. i would understand her expecting help from Kate or Camilla on how to deal with this, but we must also account for the fact, that maybe the advice she received ( at least from Camilla) was not what she wanted to hear.
Camilla did not really help Kate all that much. It was all for show, Kate also had her own family to go to and would not see Camilla as a mother figure. There was that big lunch with cameras around and Camilla loudly giving advice to Kate in front of other diners there. That stunt did not happen again. It was more PR for Camilla as “kindly” figure. The Queen acted very cool to Camilla at the Kate and WIlliam wedding, not being “warm” to her when she greeted the Queen.
She was also in a different country and time zone from most of her friends and mother so i don’t think it’s unrealistic to have expectation that people who are in her new country, part of the same firm and new in laws to merely check in. Its the bare minimum you do at work for anybody new who has just started a new job let alone coming in from a different country and starting a new role.
And hard to just ignore press if it’s your own father& people in your new org dragging you in the press and the people you work with don’t push back AND don’t allow you to defend yourself either. And as we discussed yesterday Camilla didn’t just ignore bad press. She used to brief friendly reporters on her side before Diana died and afterwards& there was a whole campaign to rehab her. So if her advice was just ignore the press and focus on the positive then that was disingenuous because it wasn’t what she did.
Junor said Camilla and Charles cooperated with her books (the ones with Diana bashing) so they got out their “side”. THe books to make it really more horrid were written after Diana died.
@Mrs. Bump Meghan did take Camilla’s advice and not speak out for over two years. In fact according to the lawsuit she was prevented from speaking out even if she wanted to. But what was stopping the others from saying anything on Meghan’s behalf? Was Meghan supposed to wait for the press to go after her child next? The royals including Keen knew that the circumstances of Meghan marrying into the family was totally unique and for them to expect to use the “business as usual” template is ludicrous. The bashing of Meghan was allowed to continue because it benefited certain members of that family. I think that is why Harry, not Meghan, pulled the trigger and they left.
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Bit of a Stupid comment since yes at that time Meghan was basically completely friendless. She had moved to entiley different country where she didn’t know anyone nor the culture nor the etiquette and a was doing I high demanding job with a lot of press on her back. Any normal developed person would reach out and ask how the person was doing, give some advice or even try and form a friendship.
She couldn’t just drive to her mothers to stay for months at a time to get away from it all when she was married, or when she had her first child like Kate did, or have a friend over for a quick brunch and bitching sesh. From the day of her wedding she completely alone and Isolated.
Calling to check on someone in a similar position as yours essentially when you face similar traumas should be a basic instinct, even if you are not particularly ’pals’, but I guess ‘some’ people aren’t raised with basic manners or compassion
Except outside of this site, Kate is never at fault? And she’s been able to curate a brand new persona on the back of Meghan being trashed? And if not for Meghan, she could have done it for Harry, who she ostensibly had a close bond with?
She wanted Harry to remain the third wheel, the fun bachelor. She did not like that he married.
Kate has an unhealthy attachment to her BIL Harry, has for years.
No one forced Kate to be a bitch at the commonwealth service. That’s on her 100% and she is no innocent victim here. Also the shady comments about presenting her children to the public after Meghan had been attacked so much for it also falls on her. Kate didn’t need to be best friends with Meghan and most have been saying this here for years, but Kate also actively shaded her sister in law which can’t be excused with the bs busy mom excuse.
I have basically nothing in common with my 2 sisters-in-law. We’re not close. But when I see them, I’m very warm and friendly. And if they were going through a tough, traumatic time, I would reach out to say, “I’m thinking of you. How are you doing? How I can support you?” It’s really not hard or complicated–Kate just didn’t give a flying fuck about Megan and couldn’t be bothered.
Im the same, i dont love my 2 sil but im warm and welcoming and always support them when they need it, we dine together and holidays etc. Kate imo and her doors to windows mother fed the media. Kate was jealous from day 1,im sure she googled and understood meghan was everything she would never be. She hated meghan taking public attention and was enraged with meghans successful projects. Right after they left England kate all the sudden was more relaxed in her public appearances. Kate to me is the ugly petty calculating bitch in that family and didnt just not welcome, intentionally was unwelcoming to the point of aggressive nastiness. Kate is an insecure idiot and hates any women who is not ugly as sin and 100 years old.
Please stop. Kate is an adult who can control her own behavior. She exposed exactly who she is at the Commonwealth Service. She is as much of a jerk as her husband.
Yes, Kate is at fault. She could have formed a causual friendship with Meghan instead she stuck her nose in the air. Meghan clearly was open to some kind of friendship, was new to the country and could have used a friend. That would have been the Christian thing for Kate to do.
Kate didn’t even need to form a friendship. Just basic respect and decency , and not have your people briefing against them and disrespecting their new marriage. You can be cordial with your in-laws and no be best friends. Same as others have mentioned, I’m not best friends with my SILs, we don’t have the same set of friends or even the same world view, but we can get together with our kids, talk about stuff and not interfere in each other’s lives. We’re close in age so there is a competitiveness but what happened with KP was a destructiveness that caused a deep fracture and showed they put their ego and insecurities above their precious “ duty”.
To be honest I think that the shopping blind being published one month after Kate and Meghan met each other (going by Omids dates) could have destroyed a future friendship. Kate is known to be a very guarded person, a blind like that coming out when she knew the source was Meghan wouldnt have helped to foster a genuine friendship.
Or perhaps Kate’s own mother immediately identifying Meghan as a rival and the enemy even before she married in ruined any chance at friendship between Kate and Meghan.
Lmaooo Kate and her leaky sieve mother is very guarded? 😂😂😂😂😂😂 and how do you know it came from Meghan?
Lol right? Kate and her mother have never stopped feeding the press even after marriage. But sure, she’s ‘guarded’.
Definitely agree with this. The blind was a misstep, and early on.
This is hilarious, considering Kate and mother made a cottage industry out of leaking info to the press from the moment she and William began dating and still do it to this day.
Yet her employees leaked numerous untrue stories about Meghan, they are still arguing she cried at the dress fitting and saying Meghan made her cry. Also it was her MOTHER who when interviewed by the telegraph said royalty is not all about giving speeches. Also it was a blind item, I know people keep assuming it came from Meghan because lainey posted it, but she herself said she got it from another media source because it was circulating within reporter circles already. And let’s just say the blind did come from Meghan, what about after that blind? Those two years later was anything leaked about Kate from Meghan’s side? We’ve seen numerous leaks from KP about the Sussexes and them throwing her under the bus.
Yeah look, they’re all leaky sieves, but it was very quick out of the gate. It isnt credible that it didnt come from Meghan given the source of the blind reveal (Lainey).
It wasnt even that bad, it was just kind of a nothing story, but I could see that it could ruin potential trust.
Interesting, wow that was not helpful whoever released the blind from Meghan
It’s interesting how some people focus on how Kate would feel about the story getting out, instead of how Meghan would feel about Kate’s behavior. They seem to think that Meghan’s priority should have been to win over her boyfriend’s rude SIL. If something like this happened to me, I would LMAO with all my friends, because that’s how normal people cope with this nonsense.
@tolly —- thank you for bringing this point up! people are focused on how KATE felt not her ridiculous or spiteful or rude behavior; I think this is the result of unconscious biases; Kate is white so everything has to be seen from her point of view! Meghan doesn’t matter that much, everything has to be centered around poor K feelings
Both woman are close to 40; yet M is treated as an adult but K is a child……..this is Michelle O vs Melania T all over again; or Barack vs Donald or any brilliant POC vs mediocre white person.
The problem here is excellence; if Meghan was just as mediocre as K is or if Meghan had said “can you t test the smell by smelling it”, or didn’t upstage and overshadow W&K, these attacks wouldn’t have been as bad.
M just highlighted so much mediocrity in the rf; in less than 6 months after the wedding the woman had a concrete project with MEASURABLE results….here we are and still waiting for broken britain
If I felt slighted by my new boyfriends brothers wife I’d bitch about it all my friends too, definitely! But I wouldnt expect it to not affect my relationship with the wife IF she heard the bitching that I had done repeated back to her. It’s just common sense.
That blind was years ago and if Kate has to then act even worse like she did at the commonwealth service, that is all on her. You can’t defend her behaviour at that service. “OMG she made public that I wasn’t nice to her years ago so I am going to publicly cut her at a church service years later” is not the behaviour of a balanced adult.
Kate cold-shouldered Meghan from the get-go before any leaks. I don’t know the KP set-up, but if Kate was waiting for the car while Meghan came by to walk to the shops, and Meghan told Kate where she was going and Kate just smiled and pretended like she wasn’t going to the same shops, then that behavior was rooted in Kate’s character, not Meghan’s. Whatever the scenario was, Kate could have rounded back to Meghan and said, “I’m sorry that I didn’t give you a ride when I could have.” It would have made a difference. That is the true essence of how Kate was cold to Meghan in not circling back when things went down that needed smoothing over. Kate sees herself as the Queen of Her Generation and owes nothing to anyone below her station.
Or maybe the blind showed just how insecure Kate was about Meghan from the outset and she was never going to be nice to Meghan, just as Kate was never nice to Cressida or Chelsy.
Blaming Meghan for Kate being an utter bitch at the commonwealth service years after one blind was released is quite a stretch to defend Kate’s indefensible behaviour. The evidence has shown for years that Kate dislikes any woman she views as competition and Meghan was viewed as competition. Kate acted rudely in that blind and blaming meghan for that rudeness to be made public is like blaming a domestic violence victim for being public about the abuse.
I’m not defending any behaviour, i just think it could be a viable reason why the relationship between the two women started off on the wrong foot.
@pearl, you have to want a friendship to begin with, which is clearly what Kate was proving. She did not want to be friends at first, at all. Somebody, probably mother-may-I, Carole, stammered out an excuse about how it would bring unnecessary media attention if Kate had driven Meghan shopping. She has a million excuses for being a bitch, when all she has to do is say she is incredibly controlled and incredibly unhappy and being around a confident, beautiful, smart woman IS not going to happen. Also, with the rumoured beef between the York sisters and Kate (Eugenie knocking past, pushing Kate on steps) she was probably upset that Eugenie was spending time with Meghan and was insecure about what Eugenie had to say about Kate. Suppressed feelings are an issue with her.
mynameispearl, if that is the reason Kate would hang her hat on, then she is the world’s biggest hypocrite considering those old tabloid bits the Middletons would drop that were framed as “the mean old York sisters being so horrible and elitist to poor Kate.”
Eugenie ‘knocking past’ Kate on the steps. Is this going back years to the incident at Christmas or Easter? Beatrice and Eugenie have always helped the Queen collect flowers from the crowd at those family events. Kate stood there like a stump, refusing to get out of Eugenie’s way because she was too busy posing and preening on the steps of the church. So Eugenie, having a role to play, walked past her to get to her grandmother.
Or that blind came from the Middleton camp, as they’ve been known to do through the years. The stories about William’s friends disliking Kate’s family and referring to ‘doors to manual’? Stans fell for those lies, when they came straight off the desk of the Middleton’s hired PR consultants at the Mail on Sunday.
Carole knew right away that Meghan was going to make Kate look bad, simply by existing. Kate with her competitive nature and her weird jealousy over her BIL? All combined to make sure the Middletons were out with anti-Meghan, pro-Kate stories from the jump.
That’s true. We don’t know who leaked the blind in the first place. People assume it must be Meghan or her friends because it makes Kate look like a petty cold bitch who is purposely snubbing Meghan, but have we not seen the actual PR coming out of KP? The FlyBe stunt? They thought that made them look good. Giving Meghan a nasty look and cutting her in church? They thought that made her look aristocratic and Queenly. Kate being reduced to tears over tights or hem length or the fact that her child was out of control at the fitting? They thought that made her look good. Kate not wearing black to support MeToo? She thought that made her look regal and above it all. Kate refusing to move down the balcony to make any room for Harry and Meghan at Trooping? She thought that made her look more important and special. The Tattler article? That backfired majorly and they thought it was going to make them look good. The “Kate is cutting Rose” story? That backfired even though they thought that was sending some big message about how queenly Queen Bee Kate was and how unimportant Rose was. The “I’m going to sue for my right to a private life if you even mention the name Rose in the press?” They thought that made them look LESS GUILTY. They’re not good at PR. At all.
They very well might have leaked this story as a way of showing that they did not accept Meghan and didn’t want anything to do with her. They may have thought it made Kate look more Queenly to not share her car with someone who wasn’t even married in or engaged. “No ring, no bring (shopping version)” because we’re so old school and traditional! They might have planted this story specifically so they could say “Look! Meghan leaks! We can’t trust her! I told you!”
Never thought about Kate & Carole being the source of the leak, but as we’ve seen, they would think it was a PR genius move to show that Kate didn’t see Meghan as a serious girlfriend, future SIL.
Honestly his constant focus on Kate when, as a royal reporter, he knows that William is the power player behind the scenes and quite frankly did MANY worse and damaging things, is starting to come across as a little misogynistic.
How do you know? I’m pretty sure omid knows a lot more about the situation than any of us.
The kate focus is probably because a lot of it DID come from kate.
People project so much on to kate because she’s strategically quiet and presents as a weak willed woman but by all accounts that’s not how she is privately.
Her mother knows the dm editor and I remember reading an article on her sister pippa where she did her usual pap stroll and someone in the comments said that she seems lonely and she’s always alone and where are her friends etc…the very next day she was papped with a group of girlfriends outside a pub and she looked directly into the camera and that’s when I knew for sure that the middletons read the comments. Even the commentators noticed this obvious stunt.
We always wondered what kate does all day with 3 nannies for each child, a housekeeper, chef and assistants, well…
I also wonder ‘what’ kate does with all of her ‘spare’ time. i know there are buttons to button and hair to do but gosh, she does have alot of time to waste. js imo
I agree, Nancy. I’m not defending Kate; I think it’s repeatedly been made clear that Kate did not support Meghan in any real way at a time when Meghan needed it the most, and that inaction on the part of Kate shows her true character for all to see.
But where Omid starts to lose me is, why is he still focusing on the relationship between the women when IN THIS VERY ANSWER he states that the distance between Meghan and Kate was in large part caused by the fractures between Harry and will?! This indicates that the real story and discussion should center on these fractures between the brothers. The fact that even Omid, despite all the “reporting the real truth in a fair way” bloviating, is capitulating to the same rules that bind the royal rota (not focusing on blood royals or the heir, solely going after married-ins) takes away any shred of credibility he’s earned from previous reporting.
He’s also said that many specifics and details were removed from the book for legal reasons. Obviously if there are legal restrictions on what’s printed, those restrictions would also extend to interviews. So does the legal red tape have to do with William and Harry directly? Or is Omid willingly ignoring the story of the brothers to go for the low-hanging fruit of Meghan versus Kate like everyone else? Neither option is great for Omid, in my opinion. If it’s the former, then the entire book and press tour actually help the royal family by ignoring the real narrative in favor of their cannon fodder, and if it’s the latter then he’s just as bad as the royal rota from which he’s tried so hard to distance himself.
I can see how legal would restrict what is printed but there seems to be wide latitude about what can be said. So I’m not sure that the same restrictions apply in both cases. But I’m not a lawyer or a libel expert.
From his interviews, Omid answers what he is asked and almost all the interviewers ask the same thing – was there a rift between the two women? Each time he answers no, there were no rifts or disagreements. Omid clarifies that the two women simply never developed a relationship beyond when they first met and hints that from the perspective of Meghan, it was Kate who never made the effort. He does not say a bad word about Kate. If Kate comes off looking bad, that’s on her. She never made the effort, the friendship never took off. It is up to us to decide if she is guarded or if she is cold. Like others have said, she demonstrated bad behaviour at the Commonwealth service. Go further back to the wedding and observe everyone’s behaviour – it was telling.
Focuses on the women because the whole vilification of Megan is based on Kate and her leaks and stories without her the smear campaign wouldn’t have ever reached so far. Like it or not no one is interested in the men of the royal family no one phones over everything they do like they do the women. Harry’s popularity is as popular as it gets.
Unfortunately, I have to agree.
At this point we get it, now what were William and Charles doing? What was the rumor that Charles was upset about some invitation being declined?
Or maybe, just maybe, Omid is aware of some messed up things that Kate did behind the scenes and this is his way of saying it without saying it in order to protect himself legally? Why is it so hard to believe that Kate is just as complicit in all of this as her husband? Anyone who has been following along since she was first revealed to be dating William should not be at all surprised by that idea.
Yes, those of us who’ve watched this soap opera for at least two decades know Kate is no wallflower without agency here.
I’m wondering what legal restrictions he is facing if everything has been fact checked by at least two sources? It isn’t like he is going to publish state secrets here or the inner workings of palace security. If he has two legitimate sources, how is he being legally gagged?
I think we have to understand that the things that get excerpted on Celebitchy are excerpts. Celebitchy isn’t covering everything that was said on this specific podcast and they‘re not covering everything that Omid says publicly anytime, anywhere. So while it may look like, based on the excerpts here, that Omid is constantly focusing on Kate and only Kate, that’s not true. It’s just what Celebitchy is reporting on for us because Meghan and Kate’s relationship has always been a point of interest for readers here. But this excerpt was likely the answer to one question Omid was asked during an entire podcast or interview in which he spoke on many other things and other people.
That’s exactly what it was, one question in a longer podcast. People submitted questions to him via Twitter, and this one, about why the two women didn’t have a closer relationship despite having things like tennis and fashion (also, to cook) in common was one of a number they chose to answer on air. The DM apparently expanded this answer into a whole article, and Celebitchy referenced it here.
Omid also said his most frequently asked questions since the book’s publication have been about Kate and Meghan’s relationship. So no surprise if it’s come up more than once, in his other interviews.
Craping on Omid is the new cambitch attack on him and some are even trying to say he attacked Kate for having HG.
No need to analyze too much on Kate’s priorities. Just say “I don’t know, maybe thinking of questions for a survey is hard, she’s trying her best ok!”.
Overkill on the Kate & Meghan dynamic. We get it- they didn’t click. As for that blind that could easily have come from leaky staff. Even Tom Bradby said that the Cambridges were cautious at the time of the engagement so that they were distant might have been fairly well known. And KP hardly has a leg to stand on when it comes to trust with the leaks out of that household from 2018 onwards. Where did the Meghan made Kate cry come from?
I want more on the dynamic with William& Meghan. Would love the BTS tea of the foundation meetings of the fab 4 before they split. Also William seemed publicly cold to Meghan Christmas 2018 what was that about? And why did he allegedly wash his hands of Harry& stop inviting him around after the marriage. Seems a bit extreme just because he didn’t agree with Harry’s choice of partner.
I’m also much more interested in knowing the dynamic between Meghan and William. We already know the deal with Kate: classic case of jealousy and inadequacy.
Given how William has been caught looking at Meghan inappropriately? It raises questions.
There’s also William’s inadequacy and jealousy when it comes to Harry, Harry and Meghan’s loving marriage, and Meghan’s early success in her role. William incandescent with rage whenever he doesn’t get his way. He promised to help Grenfell survivors and did nothing beyond a couple PR photo ops. Meghan met repeatedly, and secretly, with the ladies of Hubb. Produced an entire award-winning cookbook in secret. And refused to let William take the Hubb money for his own projects.
The top photo is always amusing to me. Kate’s Grinch eyebrows are so, so hilariously bad.
The way it’s framed looks like an evil queen in front with Snow White as a waiting victim in the back. It’s a great photo.
It’s hard to have a deep relationship with someone who has the depth of a puddle.
Lol! Preach! More depth in a Barbie doll.
Kate was willing participant and the main beneficiary of the smear campaign against Meghan. She and her family saw Meghan as a rival and were putting out stories against Meghan before she got engaged. She’s supposed to be an advocate for mental and maternal health as well as kindness but couldn’t show any semblance of concern for Meghan because of jealousy and envy. Even if we were to believe that none of this is true, the story that she was unable to build a relationship with Meghan because her husband was feuding with Harry doesn’t make her look either. It shows that she has no mind of own, not a good character trait for a woman in the 21st century.
Kate was a total b to the Sussexes at the Commonwealth Service so I have no sympathy for her especially with the Rose gardening by William. Carole pimped her out to become royal and to have a Middleton (George) sit on the throne. Scobie is shading her.
It’s not that hard to go out of your way and find five minutes to support someone who was clearly struggling. Especially since Kate had been in her shoes with the tabloids before. No excuse. A text or a phone call takes five minutes. I though she was a mental health champion? Charity starts at home bitch.
Exactly. Her mental health and supporting new mothers positions are fraudulent with her as the messenger. Her behavior at the service displayed ugliness and cruelty to her children’s own aunt and uncle.
We already know the deal with Kate, I’m over her part of the story. She was jealous and (rightfully) felt inadequate in comparison hence the the abuse in the press and not forging a relationship with Meghan. As someone else said I’m more interested in the relationship between William and Meghan because it seemed ok for a second there. I also want to know more about what happened with the royal foundation and conflicts there but it’s probably apart of all the legal stuff *sigh*
Right? They could not run fast nor far enough from Kensington Palace. A 20-room apartment and they said no thanks, let’s take the servants’ cottage right under a flight path, next to a mausoleum and close to public access. But William strikes me as the person who smiles to your face, then stabs you in the back so I cannot picture him being outright rude to her.
Yeah i agree I think William channeled his rudeness and racism about Meghan to Harry.
I also don’t think Meghan spent that much waiting to get a nice word from Kate. Maybe she was disappointed early on, but she would have seen how Kate was so insecure from the outset and she had her own friends to help her through.
We’ve been saying this for years lol. Kate showed exactly who she is at the Commonwealth service back in March and the entire world was watching her. That was a huge mistake on her behalf, because she really let the mask slip on that one. It makes me wonder why CH are suddenly churning out the narrative that Camilla tired to ‘offer advice’ to Meghan, whereas Kate was cold to her since day one. Is there a new war emerging? Watch this space.
Looks like the same old war to me – jealousy! One-upping each other for the good PR at the other’s expense. They’ll throw each other under the bus and the next day go to brunch together. It’s all a game to them. They all want Harry’s appeal which he eventually rejected when he took a moral stand. At one time, Team Cambridge was throwing out snippets that the brothers’ relationship were mending but Charles and Harry was not on good terms. The book ruined that little storyline. It’s no wonder they keep revising some of their previous stories. Everybody is trying to come out as the good guy.
You are right, she lost lots of fans then, she really did. Lots of American ones I’m willing to bet, such a mean girl/snooty face look she had on. I kind of still liked her a bit and particularly felt sorry for her regarding the affair and the fact that her husband is an a-hole, but now, nope.
I just finished FF and Meghan and Harry are in good shape here in the U.S….we’ll take them all day. We have plenty of charity work here and we are much appreciative. We don’t care who gets out of the f#4king car first, who wears tights with dresses, what order you walk down the aisle and what tiara you wear, people just appreciate genuine people!
Maybe he’s mentioning Kate because she played a big role behind the scenes with the smear campaign. Omid knows a lot that he isn’t saying for legal reasons or because he doesn’t want to drag anyone specifically. I think he’s dropping hints that Kate is as calculating as the rest of them. If you think about it, Kate was the one out of the entire royal family who benefitted the most. Her entire image was transformed when Meghan hit the scene. Will, Charles, and the queen are taking hits, but here’s good old Kate continuing to be infantilized despite her very public awful behavior. Maybe, just maybe, Kate was a bigger player than anyone could of expected, even her own husband. That Tatler article made Will look incredibly weak, as if he could barely get through the day without her. She probably had her mother do most of the dirty work.
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Thank you!
It makes me sick how people infantilize kate constantly. And yes, omid knows a lot more than any of us and like you said, kate benefits the most out of this whole thing.
There are no more waity Katy articles, duchess of Doolittle comments, even her family have been sainted. I think Kate carefully orchestrated a lot of the smears. She may be dim but when she feels threatened she will do all it takes to secure her position, which is what was said in the Tatler article. Why is this so hard to believe? Will of course has his own reasons, but even Omid said he didn’t want them gone completely. It’s Kate who comes out on top. Look at the comments in this thread, people are still acting like Kate is a little girl. People don’t even defend the queen as hard as they do Kate. I think Omid knows exactly what’s up, which is why he’s continuing to bring her up. Kate’s machinations have been on display for years before Meghan.
I agree JT. Kate’s whole public persona changed during the smear campaign. She now never puts a foot wrong and is a wonderful wife and mom and the power behind the monarchy. It’s so pathetic. Before that she was still learning and labeled Duchess Dolittle.
She had the most to gain during this. Omid knows way more and his way of shading Kate is telling. Her and her family are the main ones behind it.
I agree that Omid knows more than he’s saying and he’s talking about Kate because she was as involved as the rest in the smear campaign.
Kate also needed to play ball as well. James’ Nazi marshmallows were buried, Pippa’s allegedly rapey FIL storied we’re gone, not to mention the fact that Kate isn’t fit to be consort. Not to mention that mysterious pot farm near her parents home (speculation on my part). Kate had to sanitize her family so they would look even better compared to the Markles. She has things she needed to cover up and she offered up Meghan too. Hence, 3 years on cry gate.
Its becoming clear that with every interview she played in part in how Williams attitude to Meghan changed – in the book its made clear that William was welcoming to Meghan but at some point that changed. I think it changed when Top CEO finally met Meghan and she was instantly threatened by her.
I have a former friend who’s the Kate type – vapid, selfish, deeply insecure, narcissistic and infantile woman child who CANNOT stand to not be the centre of attention esp from men. This former friend could turn nasty in a moment if she felt she wasn’t getting the male attention she felt she was entitled to – she also felt she was better than every woman in her social circle. I imagine that when Kate met Meghan and saw the attention she was getting (from both Harry and William) thats when the green eyed monster came forth. I think the unspoken truth here is that Kate played a part in the breakdown of the brothers relationship – simply because she was jealous and insecure.
Sometimes the worst kind of misogyny comes from women themselves.
In my tarot reading the royal family including Charles and the queen blame kate for harry leaving and they are furious with her. So much so that in my recent reading Charles is so mad at her he wants her out. I posted a reading on here over the weekend in the comments. Just look at whatever story was written about Meghan on over the weekend.
From my readings she is determined to be the star of that family and come out victorious. So I can’t help but think that she was the driving force behind harry and Meghan leaving the firm. I do wonder who are Kate’s allies, other that Katie nicholl and camilla T cos once KP turns on her she’s screwed.
Once William turns on her, Charles and the Queen will breath sighs of relief and break out all the files on the Middletons. Kate has no allies other than her mother, and even her mother values George more as he’s the culmination of her social climbing. Not the future future queen consort who can be divorced out of the family at any time, but the heir heir heir to the throne.
Notice there have been no shots of Carole with the other two kids, or with Pippa’s kids. But they allowed plenty of pap shots of Carole with George to be published. She’s booking to be Queen Mum to George, to control him through ‘love’ as the original Queen Mum did to Charles.
Have you ever done a reading on Carole?
Thanks for this current reading, sounds on point to me! It’ll be interesting to see when the time comes how long Charles takes to give William the POW title if they want Kate out. And please do a reading on Mama Machiavelli!
Can you share your reading here , I cant find it . I’m a tarot reader too but I no longer read for royals because they suck the life out of me and cambridge and Sussex have very bad enegry around them. I hope Sussex does some precautions because some of the stuff I saw in tumblr is scary and I never visited that site since. Some extreme does voo do . I dont have enough knowledge on that so i stayed away from tumblr all together. But i will say , archie has become Meghan protector like how Harry’s mom lily protect harry. When you look at the articles before and after archie born there is a differences. Some kids bring blessing to their parents , some doesn’t not. Meghan still gets bad press but the fact is world is waking up to see clearly what’s going on.
I thought your reading was spot on @Feb. While I do believe Meghan was getting hit from BP, CH, and KP, I think the biggest damage came from Kate. I believe Carol was doing the dirty work so Kate could keep her hands clean to push H&M out. Charles and Will were jealous of their popularity so they wanted more control of them, but they didn’t want them to leave. Meghan being there is the biggest threat to Kate, because she highlights the fact that Kate is unfit to be consort. Meghan truly hit the ground running even while pregnant. She connected to the public because she was genuine about her charity work and she was engaged. Kate’s whole image is PR. Tin foil tiara: Meghan marrying in and being successful made Will realize that he’d made a mistake in his choice of wife. I looked at old stories and Will seemed to get on with Meghan just fine, in fact everyone did at first, except Kate. As Meghan became more successful, Kate began to realize everyone would see that all of her excuses she made in regards to her work, were just that, excuses. Will seemed to be intrigued by Meghan ( not sexually or anything) and he began to take a harder look as his choice of wife. I think the silent wife schtick doesn’t do it for Will anymore. I think he wants a Meghan. Quite frankly, he needs a Meghan in my opinion. Times are changing and the 50s perfect family isn’t cutting anymore. People want to see the royals do things. Kate noticed, so she made a plan for her to get her out and this is why Charles is upset.
I haven’t done any readings on Ma midds yet, I think cos she’s so clearly shady I’ve never felt the needs to clarify it, but I will look into her and see what her intentions are. I did some readings on Charles intentions with the Sussex’s and the Cambridge’s the other day which was interesting. He’s more team Sussex’s than we realised. I posted it in the comments section on aug 21st called “omid Scobie: the awful stories of the Sussex’s came from within the palace” and on aug 20th “the Sussex’s intend to split their time in the commonwealth”.
@JT when I looked at how Willie feels about Meghan, there is obviously conflict there and competition between the two couples. But the craziest thing was in the outcome position William ends up softening towards Meghan, which was strange.
I think William was threatened by the fact that Meghan strengthens harry and saw how dynamic they were together, in a way that him and Kate are not.
I don’t think anyone is team Kate, who actually likes her there? What does she do when she has to spend Christmas with that family, cos even William doesn’t want to even spend time with her.
What Kate (and Carole) want is for Kate to be treated like Diana – they both have a obsession with her. Kate even dresses like her.
Top CEO should enjoy her position while she can as I have always believed that William will tire of her and her family and I can see that has already started. The crack in their marriage can’t be hidden and Carole is not as ‘in your face with the royals’ as she used to be – same for Pippa and James. I think Harry brought the receipts about the Middletons to both the RF and William and thats why they are laying low.
I think when Chuck becomes King, or even Regent, Kate’s days will be numbered – if Williams wants rid of her his father will support him. I think that deep down William wants what Harry has but he doesn’t how to go about getting it. Neither W or K are happy – their misery is written all over their faces. Top CEO’s need to control everything and everyone around her will blow up in her face – William, like his father, will find that someone he really does love. In some ways I pity Kate – her life has always been about what her mother wanted it to be.
@Feb. interesting readings. I believe that definitely makes sense. It does seem the Will saw H&M and it made him competitive as well. That’s when we started to get some “candid shots” of W&K being affectionate, like in Ireland. He was trying to emulate H&M. @Digital I think Will never really was able to play the field like Harry has. Will’s only serious relationship was Kate, unless I’m mistaken. She was always in the background trying to get his attention, scaring off any girls that came his way. Will didn’t really date to find what he really liked, what he needed in a relationship because Kate was always cockblocking. Meanwhile Harry’s had serious girlfriend in Chelsy and Cressida. He’s had some casual relationships too, and I think that’s one of the reasons why Will envies Harry. Will was never able to grow outside of Kate. Now he’s nearing 40 stuck with a woman I don’t believe he loves anymore.
William played the field plenty, often while in the middle of ‘dating’ Kate as his hidden fallback. He was many girlfriends in before he started sleeping with Kate behind his then-girlfriend’s back.
@February-Pisces have you done a reading for the election in November?
@ notasugarhere I didn’t that, but this it is very true, I think Carole is playing her hand to be the most important grandparent and influence Georges life to control him and raise him in her image and get an extension of his future power money and access as Queen mother did to Charles.
Don’t forget it was the Queen Mother and Mountbatten respectively who forced Charles to marry Diana. Originally the Queen was okay of the idea of him marrying camilla UNTILL they stepped in
Yeah it was clear these two weren’t ever going to be good friends. But it costs nothing and means a lot to go “Hey. I’ve heard you’re having a tough time with everything. If you ever want to go out for lunch, call me.” That way it’s on Meghan to take the offer up or not and Kate can go “Well I tried and she wasn’t interested”
As for why Kate is being focused on, could be a simple case of sexism/misogyny (let’s blame the woman). Or it could be she’s got a bigger role in all of this. Or it could be that the Sussexes don’t want to blame William because after all he’s biologically related to 66% of them whereas Kate is not. Or it could be that William did actually /try/ at first and Kate simply didn’t and it’s annoying because if one half of a couple can try, why can’t the other half. I get the frustration there.
Omid needs to talk more about what happened between William and Harry. I wonder why he chooses not to go there. Enough about Kate and Meghan. That story is old news. More about William and Harry’s rift, the Royal Foundation mess and the courtiers and how the different palaces worked against each other.
Why would Kate prioritize Meghan? It seems strange to me. I do not prioritize any of my SiL. My kids, hubby, and the rest of my own life is my priority.
Why was it said that Kate should prioritize Meghan? “prioritizing support” != “prioritizing Meghan”
But mother Teresa could have helped Meghan in that position. Keen katie is next mother Teresa to brits then surely she should have helped her. Keen Katie champion to woman health and early child development but too bad she cant extent that to own sister in law and nephew.
Being a decent human being and asking if someone is ok is not “prioritizing” ?
If my SIL is struggling I would definitely call her up and check on her (in fact I have before) and I am a busy wife and mom myself.
Exactly kate had PLENTY of time to orchestrate a smear campaign and get her friends and family to rile up against Meghan, but would’ve had no time for a five minute comfort call and check up lmaoo?? What ever she did/ was doing, it wasn’t worth it (likely just twiddling her hair) since 4 out of her 19 patronages closed down within a year, and the rest are likely struggling and beging for help 💀.
Are you letting the tabloids publish stories that involve you and trash your SiL? Kate’s not that busy with her life that she couldn’t have shut down some of those stories. She chose not to. A press release was done to deny baby botox, but silence on the crying story. That’s on her and intentional.
Oh shut up Amy! You’re not that dense are you! 🙄
The reason why the mental health advocacy of the Cambridges is not as successful as it should be is because people don’t see them walking the talk. They have seen how they bullied out the Sussex family out of the UK and out of the Royal Family. They didn’t care about them and their newborn nephew. They didn’t lend them support and worst was they were complicit in sabotaging the young family. They threw them to the RR wolves and were devoured. No care at all about how this will impact on Sussexes’ mental health. Totally no compassion. Just sheer jealousy. So this is probably why their mental health advocacy doesn’t resonate to the British people because
their actions are not consistent with what they claim.
And because their actions are not consistent with what they claim, they never come off as genuine in the press. Harry and Meghan are incredibly popular *because* they seem genuine. Diana was too.
Sussex haters and Cambridge defenders keep saying “Kate was under no obligation to befriend Meghan! It isn’t her job!” and that is certainly true, but then when your family member decides they’re done with you and your toxicity, you don’t get to complain. Like always, Kate’s defenders seem to think she should get credit for the barest of bare minimums. “She was pregnant and a mom and working.” Um, sure, Jan.
With two housekeepers, three nannies, and no need to care for the husband who was wandering through the neighborly Rose bushes.
Kate was not “required” to be a decent human being to Meghan, and so she wasn’t. Kate showed her true character, or lack thereof.
Kate is the coworker who does the minimum and manages up. In her professional life she views William as her boss, if he is pleased she’s golden. William was having issues with Harry, William didn’t view welcoming Meghan into the fold as a priority, so Kate didn’t either. I think she is the type of employee who need to be told exactly what to do at all times or she won’t do anything at all, which makes sense when you realize that she has basically no professional experience.
Kate and her family benefited too much from all of this to be innocent bystanders. We’ve seen the Kate/Carole vs. William PR stories for years. A lot of this is still Kate/Carole running their own PR show, trying to get the public to like Kate in the face of William wanting (allegedly) to move on to a new wife.
Yes sorry this whole victimised/and it’s a white woman they’re trying to put on her is pure bollocks! ‘Bystanders‘ DON’T get their jobless mothers to go in magazines and shade their sister-in-law and leak hundreds of stories 🙄.
I know everyone’s sick of the Kate vs Meghan stiff and it feels sexist, but I think it’s a big part of the story. Kate is the the one who gained the most from this. She was weaponized against Meghan, which resulted in her becoming the perfect princess who never makes a wrong step. No more questions about her work ethic, despite not at all improving her work ethic. No more questions about her spending, despite still spending an insane amount of money on clothes and vacations. She’s the perfect subservient wife and mother. The idea duchess, despite being the least working and least capable duchess to grace the BRF. And since she has no power, no one is “disappointed” in her for not wrangling in the Sussex’s like they are will the Queen, Charles and William. She was literally turned into a saint who is above criticism simply because Harry married a biracial, American actress. She did nothing to earn her reputation and is eating it up.
When attempting to solve any mystery, you look at who benefits the most from the “crime”. And Kate is that person, no question.
In that case Kate set very bad example. Remember that she has children of her own. One day the same thing will be used against little Charlotte by George wife. George wife how charoltte bully me for being commoner etc. Worst george and Louis wife team together and bully charoltte. In the end the firm will protect heir and his family. Or another case, char and george wife together and bully little louis wife. These are worst scenarios no matter which child. Time and time again showed that firm is not protecting heir and spare . They will protect the heir at all cost. William could have put end to it but he was behind the smear campaign and how courtiers and rr enjoy that dynamic and they will never let it go for cambriges kids when they will be in spotlight and no one will be there to hide behind.
Or George turns on Charlotte the same way William turned on Harry. God forbid Charlotte becomes more popular than him.
It was never Kate vs Meghan. It was Kate vs her own jealousy, insecurity and projection. Megan has never competed or try to compete with Kate or leek stories about her to make herself look better, as she said in her interview she doesn’t believe in women tearing down women nor competing with each other for breadcrumbs and scattered jewels like Katy keen does. Saying vs makes it seem like it was a mutual competition and absolves Kate of the burden of guilt which I will never do.
Kate is a wife, mother & future queen consort who with Will & Carole used but didn’t support Meghan & Harry. Meghan is articulate, empathic, actress, philanthropist, wife, mother… who is a Humanitarian. Difficult to develop a relationship when you don’t trust the other person or their husband or mother.
I see trolls are seeping into this site @LAVANDE @NANCY. This infantlization of kateis getting tiring. Making an adult woman who’s nearing 40yrs of age as a weak powerless person when we’ve recently seen her send her lawyers to intimidate tatler for a unflattering issue. The women and her mother were likely the source of the leaks especially the ones about future sussex projects as they were getting funding from RF.
Omid never singled kate out as the only one that failed to support Meghan. He talked about the whole institution even discussing the feud between the brothers. The book leaves out alot because of legal issues but it confirms what we already knew about the backstabbing and jealousy
Sorry didn’t Lainey have an exclusive (I know it’s not from Meghan though, Lainey has explained that.) you think Kate or her mom leaked that Kate didn’t offer a ride?
By the way not sure what you thought I trolled about and also, I’m sure I didn’t infantilise anyone, I barely comment on Kate stories
The ride story was known by all the RRs, including Emily Andrews so it’s possible that it was leaked by someone from KP and not Meghan. After all if Kate was using security to go shopping there would have been drivers and KP staff to witness what happened.
@Mariane, THANK YOU! This infantilising of Kate is doing my head in. The woman is preparing to enter her forties but still people (Mainly white women) see her as this sweet innocent thing that does whatever her husband says as she doesn’t want to upset him by having her own mind!
In the age of black lives matter, I’m disappointed but not surprised by all this unconscious bias certain people are sprouting on here, it’s always Meghan’s fault never Kate’s, we have to know how Kate might have been feeling not Meghan, because Kate is white and Meghan isn’t, Meghan’s feelings don’t count!
I am so nearly done with white folk and those that side with them on their nonsense!
Oh and by the way Kate is a class A bitch, that’s probably why Omid is still going there with this narrative as he knows what time it is!
Kate publicly cut Meghan and a Harry at a church service a few months ago. Even william didn’t do that so we need to reiterate that Kate is actively being bitchy here. She has never been a victim the way some people want to make her out to be.
Kate wore a color that could be mistaken as white to the Sussex wedding, she’s just a cold B-word.
By that sense, Meghan dropped that she was pregnant at someone else’s wedding. She must also be that “b-word”. Eye roll
Don’t forget she also wore the earrings Diana wore to Harry’s baptism to Archie’s and tried to wear blue as Diana was wearing that day also. The bitch (yes I said it) is fucking pathetic.
Those biographies that came out about Kate after the wedding did not show her to be a nice person. She was quite ruthless, even lying to “get” William. ONe story was that at a party a young woman was ‘coming on’ to William so Kate rushed across the room (they were not a couple then) and said WIlliam was her boyfriend. Silly William mouthed thank you to Kate.
Yes, we know. I feel like we see this headline at least twice a week every week here. Kate made no effort to support or befriend Meghan. We get it. I get the interest in this whole subject and I eat it up like everyone else, but this same headline seems to get repeated over and over on this site.
Then stop reading or commenting on the stories. The more clicks they get, the more comments you make complaining about it? The more similar stories will be published.
Was the story about Meghan taking a picture of the Cambridge children true? I remember seeing someone who said it was in FF, but I honestly can’t remember that.
I suppose the blind about the shopping incident may have not helped things too.
But I’m not defending Kate. Normal people who are truly bothered by these things would make it clear from the getgo and patch things up. Scobie did write that Kate was very warm to Meghan at the start too. So if Kate honestly had a problem with Meghan, it’s her own fault
I understand being cautious before the wedding but you would think once Meghan got pregnant she would have extended a hand towards her.
I was such a Kate fan. More so than Meghan (I disagreed with some of Meghan’s politics). But her behaviour at commonwealth made me switch quickly. I realised the hate Meghan got was completely unfounded and was motivated by her being biracial/American. Now if I, someone who never met any royal, could feel empathy for Meghan..there’s no excuse for anyone in Meghan’s family to not do the same.
I read FF, and there was nothing in there about Meghan taking a picture of the Cambridge kids or any other royals. I’ve not even heard that story anywhere.
Where did Omid write that Kate was very warm or welcoming to Meghan ever? In the book and in all of his comments, he’s repeatedly stated that Kate never went out of her way to be kind, warm, or welcoming. Meghan went out of her way, she brought a birthday gift for Kate the very first time she met her and took extra care to dote on Charlotte. But there was nothing about Kate being warm of welcoming and then changing. She was always distant, she continued to be distant, she is currently distant.
Thank you Amy Too. Kate was never described as “warm” just cold and guarded.
@amy,he said after Meghan cooed over Charlotte and gave her the gift, Kate told her that if Meghan ever needs anything, she would help/be there (assuming if I remembered correctly). Their first meeting went well. Obid didn’t say Kate was cold TO Meghan, or at least not all throughout their relationship. He said it never progressed further because she was guarded and blah blah blah, but he didn’t say she was cold to Meghan
No such story ever existed. Unless you are talking about the night nurse who got fired after trying to ‘do’ something to Archie like take pictures of him to sell?
In Kate’s defense, Meghan did appear at a busy and creatively intensive time in her life, a time when she could focus on nothing other than completing her magnum opus…the Struggle Survey.
Ah yes The Great Struggle 😌
And what scary is it probably will be her “Magnum Opus“ 😳😳
So glad Harry left that shit show and gave Meghan some peace. Horrible to be in a hostile environment like that.
Nobody expected Kate and Meghan to be best friends but she was a terrible person to Meghan. She could have treated her like a new employee, showed her the ropes. If anybody knows how hard it is to come in from outside into the royal family it’s Kate. She seems like a shallow and jealous hearted woman who wanted to keep both Harry and William’s attention.
Kate is always been giving the benefit of the doubt by white woman it’s never kate fault it’s always her mother doing or William fault . When people going to realize that kate is completely responsibly for her behavior she almost 40 years when the story came out that Meghan accept congratulations on her pregnancy at Eugene wedding . The trolls came out in droves to condemn her behavior and called Meghan tacky but somehow we have evidences of kate not only actively being involved with the smeared campaign against Meghan but also leaking untrue stories like Meghan made her cry and somehow people are doing mental gymnastics to lessen kate appalling racist hateful behavior towards Meghan. Bringing up a blind item that happen years ago and By the way Lainey said her self that kate not giving a Meghan ride to the store even though they both were going the same place was already known within the royal reporters circle and talk about gossip about . Don’t forget that kate let it be known that her and Meghan didn’t get along when Richard other one lackey of the Cambridge’s boldly claimed on Twitter that kate and Meghan don’t get along. Who do you think give him the go headed to say that kate there was no outrage for the Cambridge’s or palace sources denying what he said . Kate wanted her fanbase to know that she didn’t like Meghan and will make no effort what so ever please tell me again how kate is innocence and not responsibility for her behavior or actions.
We have video evidence of Kate acting like a bitch at a church service and cutting Harry and Meghan. I don’t know what more proof we need that she’s a spiteful person because she did this due to not walking in a procession.
All these excuses are gaslighting. She’s a bitch and showed her face at the commonwealth service. She’s not the only person who acted poorly, but she’s certainly a part of the smear.
Maybe Kate needs to loosen those hat pins at the next church service and listen.
The fact that the story is Meghan ‘MADE’ Kate cry like she is a 4 year old, meanwhile the truth is a 40 somthing year old woman wanted to be the star of the show and boss people around at someone else’s wedding and threw a tantrum when she couldn’t.
We all know William, Kate (and most of the RF) are not warm and fuzzy to begin with, Harry has always been different. I wouldn’t be surprised if a large part of it was purposefully icing H&M (particularly M) out so that they would feel totally unwelcome and have to leave. On top of everything else they did—and didn’t—do.
I don’t know if there’s much more to flesh out from here and it seems he keeps calling out all Kates flaws, almost like he’s demanding accountability,which won’t happen. It’s obvious Kate wasn’t into Meghan and their relationship was cold. Kate has never given me the impression that she is the type who reaches out and does anything for anyone, and not just Meghan. Part of this is laziness, but there is no emotional generosity there. That Tatler article was more honest and harsher on her than this book and hinted that she has a ruthless streak.There were times when you could tell she was feeling like she had to compete with Meghan and resented it, such as these sudden changes in her wardrobe styles and new emphasis on working meetings behind the scenes. One thing in the book that did stand out to me was that he mentioned that Will and Kate stopped inviting Harry over when he started dating Meghan. Not inviting him with Meghan, but just him, even when she wasn’t there. That seemed really rude and petty, like they were trying to freeze him out just for dating and being out of their control. In all this back and forth and finger pointing of who did what or this or that support, there is still very little on William. All those hand wringing over the future of the monarchy don’t seem to say any of their expectations of him, and even criticism is fairly muted in this book. I think most of this was driven by him but there is a lot of tip toeing around him. Interesting.
I agree, I expect the book to be Tatler and instead we got a child‘s fairytale. He should’ve cut the crap with the whole puff romance thing. We ALREADY know that Harry and Meghan are in love deeply in love, and it is very evident from the way they behave around each other. All we wanted to know was the shit going on behind-the-scenes with the drama and the smear campaign which he failed to deliver minus a few cleanups
I can’t get past the first picture. Kaiser I’m done with you. 🤣🤣
Kate is really pretty in some pics. She was always nice looking. Even though her skin is not great now, she’s still pretty, I mean she would be if she didn’t have those brows. She hired the wrong person or who knows why she chose brows like that. I notice a lot of women these days are messing up their brows sometimes even tattooing the wrong shape. Less is more people, if you’re not sure what to do, please just remove the uni brow and don’t mess around, better To have a natural look than a weird shape that makes your face and expressions look odd.
Her eyebrows are lifted due to Botox. It’s called the ‘Spock brow’, it’s supposed to lift the whole eye area, but really you just end up looking like Spock from star trek. I think it looks ridiculous as I prefer more of a flat eyebrow rather than arched, but it suits some people more that others. If you see the Wimbledon pic, her eyebrows are flat, and look much better.
It’s the lift from the botox, they likely froze her face slightly too high by accident lol and the downwards shape of the hat emphasises it.
I actually didn’t interpret the ‘depth’ comment like that. I don’t think it’s because Kate *has* no depth, I think it’s more that, like the Tatler article said, she’s closed up and refuses to let people into her “””inner circle”””. She doesn’t make friends easily. It takes people a long time, and a lot of persistent effort, to make friends with her before she’ll trust them enough to let them in.
There’s also the other key factor that Kate is one of the people who participated in and benefited from the smear campaign against Meghan. So it wouldn’t be accurate to pin her reticence down to shyness alone. Kate held back and didn’t make becoming friends with Meghan a priority, because she didn’t want to be friends with someone she didn’t care for.
I think the way Omid Scobie phrased it is very intentional. He borrows from the Tatler phrasing quite heavily, which in itself is a clue. That was a shady article, that tried to spin Kate’s coldness and hesitance to make friends as her being shy and withdrawn because of the pressures of the job. But the truth came through in that article too–she’s not shy and withdrawn, nervous from the job, she’s ruthless. She’s cold. She’s single-minded in her pursuit of what she wants, and from what else we know of her, she doesn’t bother with people who can’t do something for her, which Meghan could not.
And I think Meghan, and Omid, know that. I can’t speak to what Meghan is thinking, but my understanding is that Omid is pretending to toe the party line with a big wink wink nudge nudge towards the reality.
Already been said, but when you’re overworked, overwhelmed, and feel no one can relate to your lot, it’s a mixed blessing when someone else steps into your lot. It feels great to be a lone champion (when you are one) and feels great to have camaraderie. I can absolutely relate to having mixed feelings when a new staff member was hired: I have help (!!) and I can no longer play the martyr card because I have help. But I work in a normal environment, and if I’d been hostile to the new hire, or even passively didn’t take her under my wing, it would’ve been disastrous for my team and a horrible look for me. No. Sympathy. for. Kate.
I am beginning to wonder if whether or not Omid is speaking on behalf of the Toffs. He might in fact be their indirect mouthpiece. It would make sense since the Toffs will NEVER accept her and might be sick of her constant dramas. If Kate hadn’t treated Meg so terribly, Harry would still be in the family and would be doing things for the country. Kate was more likely the most aggressive against Meg and it would be likely that the Toffs are sick and tired of Kate’s constant campaigns after one person or another. Ever since she started dating William she’s been going after one person after another and I am sure that all of them are sick of her troublemaker. Even during her engagement the columnists were crowing about how Kate ‘triumphed’ over all the Toffs and since the marriage, one person in that set after another has been smeared in the media. Rose is just the latest. Even Jecca has gotten accused of adultery with William and quite honestly, I think the reason she has few friends is that the people she wants as friends (Toffs) are the ones who are basically are sick of her BS. They don’t owe her friendship and they don’t have to be on friendly terms of her if they don’t want to. The ones who could be friends (military wives) she wants nothing to do with. She keeps making the choices that damage their way of life and each time she screws up, the anti-monarchists grow bolder. Harry was kind of the last hope of the Windsors and Kate was allowed to drive him out. I am sure the Toffs are sick with disgust, seeing Kate do nothing but cause trouble and Kate literally overthrew a blood prince, from his by-birth position. Harry was born the second son of the Prince of Wales and is the grandson of a Sovereign, but that didn’t mean anything to Kate and her tabloid cohorts. She also in her own way disrupted the natural chain of succession and that is also in a way, high treason. Ever since marrying into the BRF she’s caused one round of trouble after another. I cannot imagine how much trouble and strife she caused that caused a dutiful, amiable prince to snap one day and choose to walk out of his role and out of the only way of life he has ever known.
Most of the recent shade thrown at the Cambridge’s has come from the toffs, like Tatler and Tom Sykes comment about Willies affair. Tatler also mentioned willies ‘closeness’ with his neighbour. I think the toffs are desperate to expose Kate for who she is. I think she has spent the last 20 years pissing certain people off, but in the last year or so she has gone too far, particularly against 2 of their own, harry and rose. The only area in Kate’s life where she thrives is in the press so that’s where they’ll attack.
Although Meghan was disappointed in Kate imagine how hurt Harry must have been after he unfailingly supported Kate for years and gave his mothers engagement ring to William to give her. She should return the reins after such betrayal.
I agree, Harry must feel so disgusted.
Kate doesnt have to be kind or friendly to meghan at all. That is not her job. But, she most definitely should not use meghan as a shield to up her status by maligned her with false stories.
This stupid future future queen, couldnt even think that if she befriended meghan she will have better result in making herself more popular and creating a strong ally when her husband divorced her for upgraded model later.
Meghan is not entitled to Kate’s time or friendship.
Kate is entitled to be a bi!@h.
Harry was entitled to expect his wife to receive the same support he personally showed Kate for years.
Meghan didn’t feel entitled to Kate’s time or friendship, but gosh, a tiny speck of compassion? A tiny bit of interest in the woman Kate’s BIL was seeing? The one he’d already told the family was The One?
Lord, Kate stans are all over this thread now, desperately trying to defend Kate’s abusive, entitled, bland b*tch behavior.
When being courteous and kind is considered ‘Being entitled to ones time’ you know you have sunk low as a human being. 💀